WEBVTT - Selects: The Manson Family Murders Part 1 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:05.040 Hi, everybody, Chuck here on Saturday with this selects with 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:09.240 a very gruesome pick trigger warnings. It's a true crime episode, 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.320 perhaps one of the most infamous crimes in American history. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:15.840 And it's a two parter, so you get part one 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:18.759 this week, you get part two in two weeks. It's 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:24.040 called The Manson Family Murders. Art One from January twenty fifth, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:33.360 twenty eighteen. Beware. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:40.440 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.440 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.240 there's Charles W. Chuck Bright, and there's Jerry over there, 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.040 and we make up the Stuff you Should Know family, 0:00:51.400 --> 0:01:00.440 the peace Lovin, Acid Lovin, non murdering nice family. Did 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:01.840 I say acid Levin in there? 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:02.920 You did? 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.640 Oh? Weird, peace Lovin non murdering family. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.520 Yeah. And you know what, hopefully there are no kids 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.759 listening to this one anyway, so we can let everyone 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.600 else know that we take LSD before every episode. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:20.960 Sure, I mean, the slogan of our show is wowie zowie. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.560 Yeah. So CoA. For those of you who did not 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.800 see the title, if you're listening to your kids about 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:32.000 The Manson Family Murders without a CoA, then you need 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:33.160 a parenting CoA. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:34.199 Yeah, for real. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.399 But there are lots of grizzly details in this, so 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.440 obviously you may want to skip this one. With a 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.559 a on a family picnic picnic, Yeah. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.759 It might kind of bring it down a couple of degrees. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.640 It might be a drag, you know, probably so, uh, 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.200 speaking of drags, Chuck, I'll tell you who is a drag, 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:57.120 Charles Manson. He was. He was so like, there's this, 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:01.160 there's this reputed legend that Charles Manson tried out for 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.760 the monkeys and was rejected and that was ultimately why 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:10.320 he ordered these these grizzly murders of what that we'll 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.360 definitely get into. But it turns out that's absolutely false. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.280 Yeah, that I've heard that, and it always sounded to 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:18.320 me like an urban legend. 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.040 Well, so the thing is, it's got like all sorts 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.440 of interesting facets to it, though, right, it's demonstrably false. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.280 He was in prison at the time the monkey's tryouts 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:32.200 were held. But it kind of coincides with this larger 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.680 part of Charles Manson's life that not everybody's fully aware of, 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.560 which is that he wanted to be a star. He 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:45.760 wanted to be a musical recording star, and he actually had. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.400 He made some inroads into that career. And I have 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.560 read theories that it is possible that these murders were 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:58.120 ordered as a means of venting Manson's frustration that his 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.760 music career wasn't going as well as thought it should 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.240 ye and sending a message to some people in the 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.600 music industry that he'd made contacts with to basically say, hey, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.240 I can't kill you because I need you, but I 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.799 can kill other people to get you going and get 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.360 my music career off the ground. What's the hold up? 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.760 Which is just like the Manson family murders on their face, 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:25.480 as they're largely understood, is nuts. But if that's the 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.679 real thing behind all of this, that's just the depths 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.079 of depravity, of human depravity that people are capable of. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.280 I bet that's not like the sole reason. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.760 But you know, like if you really strip reasons down, 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.800 like what are motivations for things? Like is it really 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.040 you know, to bring on Helter Skelter? Is it because 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.280 he was a frustrated musician? You know? Like you can 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.320 say the same thing about Hitler, like was there a 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.240 kernel of Hitler's rejection from the art world and from 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.520 people at large that drove him to order the horrible 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.760 things that he ordered the Nazis to do. Like, it 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.720 makes you wonder, like what is the motivation behind world 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.440 changing events when you break them down to a personal level. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.480 Yeah, I mean, well, Manson, to be fair, was had 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.960 mental illness in a lifetime of rejection, so right, this 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.400 could all affect her in for sure. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.000 Yeah. But so I mean you you you asked for 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.799 this article to be written, didn't you. Was this your jam? 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:30.560 Yeah? Yeah, ed the grabster. We can sort of petition 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.040 him to write articles at times, and this was definitely 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:33.520 one of them. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.200 Yeah. So did you know a lot about the Manson 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.840 family murders and the family themselves and all that stuff already? 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:40.680 Yeah? 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.920 Yeah, so you this was this is probably still part 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.560 of like the cultural zeitgeist when you were becoming like 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.799 aware of the world as a kid. Huh. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.920 Yeah. Like, I definitely remember the book Helter Skelter being 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:58.080 a huge, huge thing, And I remember a time before 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:03.440 like media so robust, when the idea of Charles Manson 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.960 was just so terrifying to me. I do too, And 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:11.920 then I got older and saw interviews and I was like, oh, 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.160 he's just a little tiny redneck. Yeah, Like it all vanished. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.039 I was like, oh my god, he's just he's just 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:20.120 a little redneck. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.600 Yeah. I think that's what. There were two things that 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.200 kids of the eighties went through as far as awakenings. 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.440 Were concerned that the Soviet people went out to murder 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.159 all of us, yeah, and that Charles Manson was not 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.080 actually scary. He was just a dumb redneck behind bars. 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.680 Yeah. I mean what he did was horrific, to be sure, 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.680 so I'm not like minimizing that. But as far as 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.400 the person, he was this larger than life, scary as 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.880 crap dude to me. Until you know, interviews started coming 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.159 out and sit downs with like Diane Sawyer, I was like, 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:53.960 this guy's a joke. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.120 But for a little while there, he was legitimately America's 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.839 worst nightmare because at the time, like a lot of 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.640 people say, when the Manson family committed these murders, and 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.599 it came out, you know, a couple months later, that 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:12.240 some depraved acid head hippies had actually committed these gruesome 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:17.480 crimes that had captured the nation's attention, it suddenly gave 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.760 the establishment, who had been looking for anything to lay 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.240 on to hippies to say, see, see we told you 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:27.640 you can't be trusted. Your whole peace, love free stuff 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.359 like that doesn't work. You can't do that because this 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.520 is the outcome of it. Manson was that personified, and 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.640 for a lot of for that reason, a lot of 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:39.960 people say this guy, these murders ended the Summer of 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.880 love and the era of hippies and ushered in the seventies. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.160 Yeah, for sure. I mean, timing wise, it just seems 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.520 very natural. And Ed even points out like even during 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.480 the trial that narrative was being laid down, it wasn't 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.080 like years later people look back and said this. And 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.000 he also, I thought it was really interesting. I never 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:03.000 really put it into context like Ed did. But the 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.800 moon landing, the very first moon landing that is, happened 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:12.120 two weeks before the Manson family murders, and then a 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.440 week after the murders was Woodstock, So that was a 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.760 that was a nutty month. It really wasn't know in America. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.600 And again these murders when they took place, they were 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.320 just no one had any idea who the Manson family 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.360 was except for a handful of people out in LA 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.680 and some cops that had run ins with them, but 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.160 they were not famous, and no one realized that the 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.000 Manson family had been responsible for these murders. They were 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.320 just these gruesome, unsolved murders in between the moon landing 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:44.240 and Woodstock. Yeah, so a lot of people let's start 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.600 at the what a lot of people consider the beginning, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.360 which is the night of August ninth, in a house 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.640 at one zero zero five zero c Yellow Drive, which 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.560 is in Beverly Hills, up in the hills, right. 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:01.600 Yeah. I looked at like three different places how to 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.640 pronounce that, and they all said yellow except for Diane. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:09.560 Sawyer said cello, And I'm like, man, is Dian soil? 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.800 You're wrong? No about anything? 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:17.360 No, whatever she says is absolutely right. She could make turtlenecks, right. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:19.440 I used to love turtlenecks. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.640 Sure they had a real heyday, for sure. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:23.640 You don't see him anymore. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.360 I used to wear them on. Don't be dumb, but 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:27.520 it was kind of a gag. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.040 I think I could still pull one off, maybe, especially 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:30.600 with the beard. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.040 Yeah. The beard would definitely help, you know, because you 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.280 could you could turn a certain way and be like 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:39.079 regular shirt, turtleneck, regular shirt, turtleneck just by just by 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.160 moving your head and your beard out of the way. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.120 Yeah, And of course in the eighties I would rock 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.280 the mock turtleneck regularly. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.920 Did you I never really did. Did you wear them 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.760 with Zeke Varici's. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.280 No, no, no, no, it wasn't. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.040 You didn't dress like ac Slater. 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.160 No, it was sort of believe it or not. That 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.760 was like a post preppy thing where the mock turtleneck 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:04.000 was acceptable and not cheesy really in a preppy sense. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.760 I gotcha, Because I was sort of a prep before 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.640 I became a human monster. 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.120 I could see that. Did you Did you wear the 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:14.720 LaCosta alligator and stuff? 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.599 Nah? We couldn't afford that stuff, so I or the knockoffs, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.680 I gotcha. Or if I had the la cost the 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.520 alligator was like accidentally so onto the collars. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.400 Oh yeah, yeah, we've had this conversation. Yeah, all that 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:32.080 good stuff factory seconds, Yep, that's mactory Remnant's nice. So 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.520 on this night on August ninth, are we going with 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.800 Cello or Diane Sawyer's Cello? 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.120 I don't know. Let's just say that the house that 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.319 Satan built, right, it's not there anymore, by the way. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.800 No, they tore it down, but not before Trent Rezner 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.360 went in and recorded at nine Inch Nails album. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.000 There, because why not? 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.120 Why not? So at this at this house at one 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.960 zero zero five zero Yellow Drive, that's not there any longer. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.640 There was a knock at the door on the night 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.440 of August ninth, around midnight, so I don't know if 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.679 that makes it August ninth or tenth. I couldn't get 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.440 a definitive answer, but the door was answered by a 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:15.400 guy named Voytek Freikowski, who was known as a Polish playboy. 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:20.040 He was friends of the director Roman Polanski and he 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:24.040 was there because inside that house was Roman Polanski's wife, 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.360 Sharon Tate, who was eight months pregnant with their I 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.400 believe their first child. I don't think they had any 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.439 other children. Sharon Tate was pretty young at the time. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.439 But also inside was Abigail Folger, who was the heiress 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:42.240 to the Folger Coffee fortune. And I think, oh, one 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.200 other guy, Jay Sebring, who was a stylist who is 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:50.560 known as the guy who introduced hair styling to men. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.880 So he was pretty well off and pretty well known 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.600 as far as la went. And they're just kind of 0:10:55.600 --> 0:11:01.040 this hip industry party crowd inside this this residence, and 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:02.520 there was a knock at the door and this guy 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.720 was there on the other side of the door, and 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.520 he had a mustache and he was tall, kind of 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:12.360 a natural athlete, tight type from Texas. And he said, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.160 I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devil's business. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.040 And that was Tex Watson, and he entered the house 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.320 and this massacre of everybody inside began. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.960 Yeah, so what had happened previous to that knock was 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.920 Tex Watson climbed up a telephone pole, cut the phone 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.800 line and then climbed the fence with a couple of 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:38.600 other people, one Susan Atkins and one Patricia Krinwinkle, all 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.319 Manson family members. And we'll get into the whole family 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.199 thing in a minute. And so they climbed over the fence, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.199 went in. There was a kid, a teenager named Steve 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:51.600 Parent who was leaving in his car already, and he 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.120 did not make it out. He was shot five times. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.360 He was slashed and shot five times by Tex Watson 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.080 before he could get down the tway. So one murder 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.920 had already been committed on that property by the time 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:06.000 they even got to the house. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.480 Yeah, and if any of these people, which you can 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.760 definitely make the case all of them were in the 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.880 wrong place at the wrong time. Stephen parent was just 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.760 doubly so he was visiting the caretaker of the house, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:22.360 so he had nothing to do with the Hollywood jet 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.440 set people inside or the Manson family. He was just 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.240 friends with somebody who was like a worker at the 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.439 house and he was leaving at the time too. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.720 Yeah, he would have been friends with what was a 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:36.560 guy's name from. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.680 The oj oh Man. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.800 He would have been friends with kat o'kalin, which is Yeah, 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:45.600 that would have been a bad thing to be I. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.120 Think talk about a mock turtleneck. 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.160 Yeah, I think he has one permanently tattooed on his neck. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.199 There was also a third Manson family member, Linda Kasabian, 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.800 who was not in the house, but she waited. Essentially 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.120 was the getaway driver. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.280 Right and she just come into the family like a 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.240 month before, And apparently the reason she was out with 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:09.800 them was because she was the only one with a 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.680 valid driver's license out of that group. So Lenny Kasaven's 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:19.880 sitting outside, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkle, and Susan Atkins all 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:24.280 enter the house and they just start killing everybody. Apparently 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.559 Texa was the only one with a gun, but all 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:31.160 three of them had knives. Patricia Krenwinkle found Abigail Folger 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:35.760 reading in bed and started to kill her. I believe 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.480 Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring were in the living room 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.960 together and they were both killed there in the living room. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.960 Voytech freed Kowski made it out of the house, but 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.400 he was killed in the front lawn. Abigail Folger I think, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.280 made it out the back and she died on the 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.079 back lawn. And one of the things about this is 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.360 like the reason the word massacres like such an apt description. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.760 These were just basically, like I don't know how old 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:05.679 text was, he was a little bit older, but these 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:10.080 are basically like seventeen, eighteen, nineteen year old girls who 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.000 had never done anything like this before and were really 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:15.960 not very good at it while they were doing it 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.760 this first time, and it was just bad for everybody. Apparently, 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.680 it's very brutal. There was a lot of fear and 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.120 terror and a lot of pain and torment among everybody 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.640 who was being killed in this house. It wasn't easy clean. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.400 You wouldn't characterize it as like a hit it was 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:33.080 a massacre. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:38.600 Yeah, Abigail Folger herself was stabbed twenty eight times and 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.320 then see bring in Forrakowski. In addition to being stabbed, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:46.480 were also shot, and obviously Sharon Tate's unborn child was 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:51.080 killed in this process as well. And supposedly, and this 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.240 is a direct quote apparently I guess from the trial 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.720 the directive from Charles Manson. And if you don't know this, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.000 I guess we should go ahead and say Charles Manson, 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.760 even though later on other people said that Tex Watson 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:09.040 was more acting on his own and misunderstood Manson's directive. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.840 But Charles Manson ordered these killings, which we'll get into. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.920 But he told Watson supposedly totally destroy everyone in that 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:21.160 house as gruesome as you can. So in addition to 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:27.000 the mutilation of the bodies and like post mortem stab wounds, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.640 that was stuff written on the walls and their blood 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.760 like pig, and well I think pig was the only 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:35.840 thing written on the wall at. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:37.720 This one, right on the front door. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.320 Which is a obviously was a reference to cops at 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:42.000 the time. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.480 Right, and they wrote it in Sharon Tate's blood, right, 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:49.680 So pig is on the door in blood the perpetrators 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.920 got away, The Manson family got away. They made it 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.760 back to I think the Spawn Ranch, which is one 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.600 of the places they were staying. So then two nights later, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.240 Manson orders the family to go do it again. He 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.880 actually said that they done according to text and the 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.880 rest of them. He actually said that they'd done it wrong. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.080 They had created panic and fear in these people, and 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.400 they needed to do it right this time. But to 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.600 go go out and butcher another family. And he took 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.000 him to a house, and it was a house next 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.280 door to this house that the Manson family used to 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:25.400 party at. It was a friend of one of Manson's 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:30.480 record producer friends. And next door was just this normal, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.480 unassuming couple who had from what I understand, no interaction 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.240 with the Mansons at any point in time. It was 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:43.240 this couple named Leno and Rosemary Labiyanca, and they were 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:48.440 just about his middle class, upper middle class America establishment 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:49.120 as you could get. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.120 Yeah, he was actually lived less than two miles from 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.440 this house. It was in the Los Filis neighborhood. And 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.520 just the night before they had had a party at 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.120 this dude's house who and the reason he didn't want 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:04.680 to go back to that house is because he thought 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:06.600 maybe it could be tied back to him in some 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.320 way because he was there the night before. So they 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.159 just randomly picked the neighbor and there was six of 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.760 the followers there, the original four from the Tate House 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.800 plus Leslie van Houghton and Clem Grogan I think it 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:25.080 was his name. And yeah, it was talking about wrong place, 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.760 wrong time. They were just in there enduring their evening 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:32.240 and Manson did break. He was, actually, like you said, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.480 there for this one, whereas he wasn't even there for 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.200 the Tate one. And he took part in the tying up, 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:45.000 but then he left, which very cowardly left. And this 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.080 whole thing just reeks of cowardice, like go do my 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.280 dirty work for me, exactly kind of in most of 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:50.920 these cases. 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.199 Right, So they tie up the lot beyond because they 0:17:55.320 --> 0:18:00.119 murdered them brutally again. They carved war in mister or 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.119 la Bianca's stomach with a knife. They left the knife 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.560 sticking out of his neck, They left a fork sticking 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.960 out of his stomach. It was just another really gruesome scene. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:14.800 And then again in blood they wrote they wrote things 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.760 around the house like they wrote political you know, they 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.399 wrote pigs again. 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.520 Yeah, they wrote death to Pigs, they wrote they misspelled it. 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.560 They wrote Helter Skelter, which we'll get into. That was 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.919 a Beatles song, which factors in pretty heavily. And then 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.520 they wrote Rise. And the whole notion here and we'll 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.160 cover this in detail more later too, was that Manson 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.119 was trying to, or at least he says, he was 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.119 trying to ignite a race war and have it appear 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.040 that black people and maybe even black panthers had killed 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.440 these white people, which would and then turn spark a 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.040 race war. They would all kill each other and the 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.000 Manson And the reason I'm laughing is because it's just 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.640 so ridiculously impive, im plausible, and then the Manson family 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:02.640 would be the only people left and they could rule 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:03.000 the world. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.879 Yeah, that was supposedly the whole thing behind Helter Skelter. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:13.000 So the cops in LA, the Sheriff's Department and the 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:18.520 LA Cops have two different murder scenes that are obviously related, 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:22.000 but early on they didn't They didn't connect them yet. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.680 It took it took a minute, but once they did, 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.480 these two murders came to be known as the Tate 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.760 LaBianca murders before anyone knew who the Manson family was, 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.399 and it was a big deal. But you have to 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.280 go back even further to understand what's going on and 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.800 to understand the eventual prosecution of the Manson family to 0:19:41.920 --> 0:20:12.920 another murder, and we will dive into that one after this. Okay, Chuck. 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:17.880 So everybody knows about the Tate LaBianca murders, so much 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.000 so that they're frequently called the Manson family murders. But 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.480 it turns out that the Manson family was already involved 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.159 in another previous murder a couple of weeks before the 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:31.360 Tate and LaBianca murders happened. I think in like late 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.000 July of nineteen sixty nine, right. 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.800 Yeah, I mean there was one other murder and an 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:44.639 attempted murder and then an not quite attempted murder also, right. 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:47.960 So the one you're talking about, I think is probably 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:54.399 Gary Henman, who he was, Well, why don't you go 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.120 and explain how he fit into this whole thing? 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.960 Okay? So Gary Henman was a music teacher who was 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.080 a friend of the Manson family. I don't think he 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.639 ever was considered like a Manson family member, but he 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:12.159 was a buddy of them, and he either had a 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.119 trust fund coming or there was a rumor that he 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.440 had access to a trust fund of like twenty thousand dollars, 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.240 and so the Manson family went over to rob him. 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.359 I think Bobby boso Let was the leader of that, 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.560 and they went over to rob him. Or he had 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.159 supplied the Manson family with a bunch of mescaline that 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.719 they in turn sold to a motorcycle gang that was 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.919 not happy that when it turned out the mescaline was 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.720 bad who wanted their money back. So the Manson family 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.040 had gone to go get their money back from this guy, 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.760 and apparently he had said, like, I don't have any money, 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.080 but here, I'll sign over the title of my cars 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.240 to you. Here are the keys. And at this point 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.760 they had him tied up and I'm not entirely certain why, 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.480 but Charles Manson, and this is widely agreed upon, I 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:02.439 think even by Manson himself, that Manson came over to 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:08.480 the house to basically assist in getting this guy to 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.680 cough up his money. Maybe that's what it was. And 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:12.919 he took a sword and chopped off part of the 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:13.480 guy's ear. 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.040 Yeah, And depending on who you believe, some say Manson 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.439 actually ended up killing him. Other people say that Bobby 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:25.960 Bosalil ended up stabbing him to death. Manson was on 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:27.679 the scene for this one, though, which was different than 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:30.800 the other murders, And I guess it just depends on 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.240 who you believe it was. Bousoalia was eventually arrested while 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.720 driving that car of Hinman's. 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:43.000 So him instead, BOSSI Little's in jail. And you have 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.080 to actually go back even further to find the first 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:51.200 at least attempted murder by the Manson family earlier in July, 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.040 on July first. This is just a bad jam if 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:55.880 you really start thinking about it, like all these dates 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.320