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Speaker 4: Good Tuesday morning, everybody, and welcome to Breaking Points. Stager

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Speaker 4: is still out on his honeymoon, but we have an

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Speaker 5: Indeed we do. We have lots to discuss.

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Speaker 1: Kamala now appears to be the presumptive nominee. She has

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Speaker 1: locked up sufficient delegate. She gave a barn Burner a

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Speaker 1: speech over it. What was Biden HQ, which is now

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris HQ. We'll get into all of that. We

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Speaker 1: also have some polls early indications of how she fares

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Speaker 1: want to take a look at a wild hearing yesterday

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Speaker 1: because there is bipartisan outrage over the many manifest failures

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Speaker 1: be very interesting to hear his perspective and that of

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Speaker 5: Today we're going.

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Speaker 1: To take a look at the latest conspiracy with regard

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Speaker 1: to Joe Biden.

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Speaker 5: Where's Joe?

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Speaker 3: Here's Joe?

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it is a little weird. He haven't

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Speaker 3: I will give them that, absolutely weird.

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Speaker 1: But in any case, we'll give you the very latest

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Speaker 1: it really a phone call, Ryan, was it actually a recording?

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Speaker 3: We don't know, voice memo.

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Speaker 1: Also, wanted to catch up with what's going on with

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, she gave this speech at what was Biden HQ.

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Speaker 6: And I've been honored and humbled. I mean, this is

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Speaker 7: Loving Joe Biden, and I have full faith that this

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Speaker 1: So, Ryan, what do you make of her first outing?

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Speaker 1: Now she's also not a primary, really.

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Speaker 4: Not in a primary, just going after Trump, and so right,

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Speaker 4: She's spent the last twenty four hours with what Axios

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Speaker 4: why the entire party, which loves order and hierarchy, ordered

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Speaker 3: She's raised what over one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: She's raised over one hundred million dollars from grassroots.

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Speaker 1: Right, they are sticking with the virtual role call convention plans.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, they continue to tell this lie that

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Speaker 5: So you know, the original so.

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Speaker 1: Ohio did have this rule, this law Ohio. The Republican

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Speaker 5: Doing this virtual world call thing.

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Speaker 4: Rachel Bidakoffer, who you know, doesn't even matter who she

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Speaker 1: She's especially a Virginia political scientist just for Newport University,

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Speaker 4: about taking Biden out. She said, She said something this morning,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Harry says that like all of these

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris Cannessy, which is, you know, legitimate. She will

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Speaker 5: It is a big deal. But to get back to.

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Speaker 1: Your point, Ryan, we could put a five I believe

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Speaker 1: this though this was yesterday, Kamala had crossed the one

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Speaker 1: given the support through the Chakanau campaign, I mean, really

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Speaker 4: What about the brother from like Marshall Islands or whatever,

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Speaker 1: In Guam or Oh, I think he's still holding out.

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Speaker 3: We looked at his name, Jason Palmer.

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Speaker 1: He was going to say, we looked up his name

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Speaker 4: so Barack Obama and that guy are among the loan holdouts. Yeah, Obama,

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Speaker 4: can you know, keep his elder statesman's image here?

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Speaker 5: Do you think that's what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: At this point?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the Rachel Bitakopfer vote basically exactly. All right,

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Speaker 4: A lot of people were just refusing to vote for

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Speaker 1: This is about what I would have expected to see.

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Speaker 5: We can put this back up, we can put this

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Speaker 1: The amount of money that she is raising is astonishing.

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Speaker 1: So this Politico article describes her big donor money bomb.

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Speaker 1: for any group, for any time, et cetera, to have

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Speaker 1: that many people showing up and saying what can we do?

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Speaker 5: How can we support.

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Speaker 1: That is night and day from where they were with

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, where people were basically on like a due

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Speaker 1: march to November.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they had a call with black men

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Speaker 4: that had many thousands as well that raised more than

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Speaker 4: a million dollars.

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Speaker 3: That one raised several million.

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Speaker 4: And I think your abortion rights point is so key

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Speaker 4: because people understand that they're actually just think about this.

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Speaker 4: Will there be a material difference in abortion access in

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Speaker 4: a Trump administration versus a Kamala Harris administration? I think

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Speaker 4: people just intuitively would say, yes, yeah, there actually will

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Speaker 4: be a difference. Yeah, Like the Trump administration will work

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Speaker 4: to shut down clinics, to empower attorney attorneys general who

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Speaker 4: were trying to hunt women going across state lines, will

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Speaker 4: will mess around with MIFA pristo. And even if Evan

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Speaker 4: says he's okay with it, which is the conscious sect

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Speaker 4: not the conscious the abortion pill that you can get

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Speaker 4: by mail, there's also like are they going to try

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Speaker 4: to constrict contraception? Like these are all if material things

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Speaker 4: in IVF that you can imagine changing, And so often

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Speaker 4: business Republicans vote out of material reasons because they think

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Speaker 4: they're going to get a tax cut.

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Speaker 3: But in general, people vote on vibes.

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Speaker 4: And on emotion and on just kind of atmospherics of like,

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Speaker 4: this is the party that I prefer over this party.

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Speaker 4: But you're not exactly sure precisely how the policy is

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Speaker 4: going to impact you directly. But when it comes to

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Speaker 4: abortion rights, it stands the reason that there will be

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Speaker 4: material difference between these two parties. And when it's on

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Speaker 4: the ballot, like on a constitutional amendment or referendum, people

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Speaker 4: come out and overwhelmingly in every state support abortion rights.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I think a combined with the honeymoon that she's getting,

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Speaker 4: rather than Trump getting a honeymoon out of his this convention,

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Speaker 4: she gets the bump.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the RNC honeymoon bump.

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Speaker 4: We'll see how much of it is a honeymoon and

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Speaker 4: how and you know whether she can actually because she's

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Speaker 4: still an underdog. That's what people need to remember, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: completely over the moon for her.

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Speaker 1: She's just less of an underdog than Joe Pisen, Yes,

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Speaker 1: which is incredible because normally incumbency confers you with quite

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Speaker 1: a political advantage, but obviously because of his age and decline,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't the case. I also think that that may

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Speaker 1: be changing because people are just so so dissatisfied with

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Speaker 1: where the country is and where it's heading. It's almost

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Speaker 1: more of a burden to be an incumbent and have

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Speaker 1: to actually own the decisions in the state of the

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Speaker 1: country as it exists under your presidency. But you know,

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Speaker 1: TBD on whether that's really the case.

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Speaker 4: I think in some ways Trump has all the advantages

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Speaker 4: of incumbency without the disadvantages that you're talking about, because

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Speaker 4: he's got the nostalgia as well.

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Speaker 3: Well people think it was an incumbent.

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Speaker 4: But they're like, yeah, things were okay then, right, but

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Speaker 4: he's crazy and he's not in my face. But he's

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Speaker 4: not my face every day like he was then.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so you get you kind of get the benefits

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Speaker 3: without the cost.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right because one of the major benefits

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Speaker 1: of incumbency a couple of them. One of them is

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Speaker 1: the bully pulpit. Well, obviously Trump has the bully pulpit,

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Speaker 1: like people are going to cover what he says. He

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Speaker 1: can get cameras in front of his face whenever he

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Speaker 1: wants to, he can drive the national conversation whenever he

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Speaker 1: wants to. Outside actually of this specific moment where nothing

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Speaker 1: was going to drive the news away from the drama

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Speaker 1: with Biden and Biden dropping out, who's going to be

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Speaker 1: his successor, et cetera. But the other advantage of incumbency

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Speaker 1: is just the fact people see you in the job,

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Speaker 1: you know, so it makes it easy for they don't

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Speaker 1: have to use their imaginations to think about what that

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Speaker 1: would be like. And so they've seen him in the job,

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Speaker 1: they know what that was like. And he's got the

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Speaker 1: bully the Trump bully pulpit. So I think you're right

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Speaker 1: about that, that he has all the advantages of incumbency

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Speaker 1: without being saddled with having to reckon with the decisions

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Speaker 1: that are being made now the state of the country now,

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Speaker 1: and you can put rose colored glasses over what his

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Speaker 1: term was actually like, you know, now that we're four

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Speaker 1: years down the road. So I agree with you. I

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Speaker 1: think Kamala Harris is still an underdog. I think she's

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Speaker 1: got a much better shot than Joe Biden did. She

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Speaker 1: has her own challenges and weaknesses, But what we're getting

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Speaker 1: from the Republicans is some of the attacks that they've

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Speaker 1: tried to launch on her have just been like ridiculous, silly,

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Speaker 1: embarrassing for them, bad etc. But what they're likely to

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Speaker 1: mostly do is paint her as you know, coastal liberal

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Speaker 1: out of touch with ordinary Americans. There's also going to

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Speaker 1: fixate on she laughs too much, and her sort of

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Speaker 1: goofiness and all of those sorts of things, and they'll

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Speaker 1: certainly try to seize on otherising her like Jade Vance

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Speaker 1: is already basically painting her as like a welfare queen.

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Speaker 1: So they're going to do those sorts of things as well,

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Speaker 1: which may they may not be able to resist going

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Speaker 1: too far in that direction in a way that is

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Speaker 1: very negative and off putting for them and reminds people

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Speaker 1: of like some of the fringe views and extremism and

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Speaker 1: a light coming off that ticket. But the other thing

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Speaker 1: is going back to the abortion point, if that issue

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Speaker 1: really does continue to be so central, the politics on

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Speaker 1: that have moved so dramatically since Roe versus Wade was overturned.

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Speaker 1: Now for the first time ever, I think, certainly in

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Speaker 1: our lives, you have.

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Speaker 5: A very clear supermajority in favor of abortion rights.

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Speaker 1: Previously, this was a fifty to fifty issue, and so

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Speaker 1: I talked at nauseum way too much yesterday about Andy

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Speaker 1: was sheheer governor of Kentucky. But Democrats in Kentucky forever

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Speaker 1: were getting killed on abortion. They were running away from

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Speaker 1: abortion as fast as they possibly could. You have tons

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Speaker 1: of pro life Democrats so that they could continue to

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Speaker 1: get elected. Andysheer ran aggressively on choice in his gubinatorial

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Speaker 1: reelect and it was incredibly successful. That's how much the

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Speaker 1: landscape has shifted on abortion. So painting Kamala Harris as

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Speaker 1: a cultural elite in some ways only further solidifies people's

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Speaker 1: view that like, oh she's good, that means she's going

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Speaker 1: to be good on abortion rights. Like that means she's

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Speaker 1: going to be on my side, and where I am

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Speaker 1: on abortion rights. I think part of why that issue

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Speaker 1: has been so sailing and so politically powerful is not

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Speaker 1: just because of the issue itself. It's because of the

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Speaker 1: shock of having rights that existed and were taken for

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Speaker 1: granted taken away, and so in one instant it blew

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Speaker 1: up this very liberal notion of like, oh, progress is

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Speaker 1: just inevitable, and the moral arca of the universe is long,

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Speaker 1: but it bends towards justice. Then you have oh, my

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Speaker 1: mom had this right, my grandma had this right, and

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Speaker 1: I don't. This is something I can't take for granted

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Speaker 1: in the way that my mother did. What the hell

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Speaker 1: is happening here? And what else is on the table?

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Speaker 1: So in any case, on that issue, I do think

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Speaker 1: it's it's really clear that she'll be a more effective messager,

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Speaker 1: more compelling, more credible, that she'll actually do something about it.

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Speaker 1: She's been open to getting rid of the filibuster in

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Speaker 1: a way that Biden was never open to getting rid

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Speaker 1: of the philibuster. So there's some substance there, even as

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Speaker 1: on a lot of the issues that you know that

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Speaker 1: you and I also really care a lot about, like

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Speaker 1: on economics in particular, certainly on criminal justice, on foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: there's Kamala Harris is just a giant question mark of

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Speaker 1: what she actually believes and what she would actually do

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Speaker 1: if she was PROS in the United States.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, and I and the cynicism that people have

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Speaker 4: justifiably that the system can't produce much other change. By

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Speaker 4: voting makes abortion rights such a such a more salient

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Speaker 4: issue because it's the one thing you actually can vote on.

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Speaker 5: That's a great point.

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Speaker 4: People thought like, well, if I could vote on to

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Speaker 4: give myself a raise or to you know, strengthen unions

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Speaker 4: or anything else, they would happily do that, but they

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Speaker 4: don't actually believe that the system is going to deliver that.

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Speaker 4: Controlled by oligarchs, right, but when it comes to abortion rights, like,

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Speaker 4: oh this actually policy is going to change based on

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Speaker 4: voting patterns here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so at least what we're saying in the early

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Speaker 1: polling here, you know, it's Trump still with an edge,

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Speaker 1: but less of an edge, closer to a toss up

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Speaker 1: than it was with Joe Biden. Mccamal Harris still an

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Speaker 1: underdog with some benefits over Biden and some definite drawbacks

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Speaker 1: and coalition challenges as well.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see where it goes from here.

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Speaker 4: Fascinating hearing yesterday in the House of Representatives where the

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Speaker 4: still head of the Secret Service, Kimberly Cheadle, came before

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Speaker 4: the committee and I think just surprised everyone a that

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Speaker 4: she was still in her job and b that she

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Speaker 4: had so few answers. And we should be very clear

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Speaker 4: here there are a lot of outstanding questions still about

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Speaker 4: the attempt at assassination of Donald Trump. Virtually none of

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Speaker 4: them were answered during this hearing, and in fact, only

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Speaker 4: more questions were raised Let's roll a couple of the

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Speaker 4: exchanges from the hearing here. I think this start with

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Speaker 4: AOC here who actually really deeply impressed the right. The

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Speaker 4: right was like shocked that they were enjoying like an

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Speaker 4: AOC interrogation.

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Speaker 3: Let's roll some of this.

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Speaker 9: The individual used in AR fifteen in order to act

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Speaker 9: out his assassination attempt. An AR fifteen has a range

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Speaker 9: of about four to six hundred yards. My question is

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Speaker 9: why does the Secret Service perimeter Why is the Secret

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Speaker 9: Service protective perimeter shorter than one of the most popular

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Speaker 9: semi automatic weapons in the United States.

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Speaker 10: There are a number of weapons out there with a

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Speaker 10: number of ranges. Again, an advance was completed the determination

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Speaker 10: of the perimeter. I'm not going to speak to specifics,

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Speaker 10: but there are a number of factors that are taken

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Speaker 10: into account when we determine our perimeter. Some of it

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Speaker 10: has to do with terrain, some of it has to

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Speaker 10: do with buildings, some of it has to do with

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Speaker 10: assets and resources that are available.

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Speaker 9: And so what I'm hearing is that a perimeter was

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Speaker 9: not established out in an outdoor venue that would prevent

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Speaker 9: an AR fifteen, which is one of the most common

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Speaker 9: weapons used in mass shootings from being able to be

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Speaker 9: within the range of Secret Service protection.

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Speaker 10: A perimeter was established, and even though there were buildings

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Speaker 10: that were outside of that perimeter, it wasn't just that building.

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Speaker 10: There were a number of buildings in the area, and

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Speaker 10: there was overwatch that was created to help mitigate some

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Speaker 10: of those buildings.

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Speaker 11: I own an AR fifteen, and last time I shot it,

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Speaker 11: I shot it one time. My whole life was six

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Speaker 11: years ago. That is until Saturday where we recreated the

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Speaker 11: events in Savoy, Texas, where you recreated what happened about her.

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Speaker 11: I was lying prone on a slope roof at one

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Speaker 11: hundred and thirty yards at six thirty at night, and

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Speaker 11: I knew that he had a scope, but I know

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Speaker 11: a kind red dot or magnified. So I shot eight

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Speaker 11: rounds from both.

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Speaker 12: You know what.

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Speaker 11: The result was fifteen out of sixteen kill shots and

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Speaker 11: the one I missed would have hit the President's ear.

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Speaker 11: That's a ninety four percent success rate. And that shooter

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Speaker 11: was a better show me. It is a miracle President

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Speaker 11: Trump wasn't killed. Corey Comparatre's life is over because that

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Speaker 11: damn shooter made it on the roof and it wasn't

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Speaker 11: the roof. That was dangerous. It was a nut job

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Speaker 11: on top of the roof. You know what else is dangerous.

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Speaker 11: I believe you're horrifying an aptitude and your lack of

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Speaker 11: skilled leadership is a disgrace. Your obvious skating today is

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Speaker 11: shameful and you should be fired immediately and go back

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Speaker 11: to garden to Rita.

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Speaker 3: That's a reference.

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Speaker 4: She was the Pepsi co did security for Pepsi before this.

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Speaker 4: That's what the Dorito's reference gotcha was there? But an

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Speaker 4: excellent question from AOC there, backed up by the Republican Congress,

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Speaker 4: and then I already forgot his name. That with these scopes,

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Speaker 4: like you, when you look through these scopes, that's something

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Speaker 4: that's one hundred and fifty yards away, you could tell

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Speaker 4: what kind of not he did in his tie. You

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Speaker 4: could you could tell the brand of it if it's

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Speaker 4: like flopping out. Trying to imagine what the shooter was

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Speaker 4: able to see through that scope is just deeply frightening,

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Speaker 4: because as the guy said, you know, he himself tried

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Speaker 4: it and squeezed off fifteen out of sixteen kill shots.

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Speaker 3: He's right that.

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Speaker 4: From that distance it is a miracle that he didn't

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Speaker 4: hit him and I really do think it was the

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Speaker 4: crowd by, and we'll get and we're going to get

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Speaker 4: to this clip in a second. The crowd by saying

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Speaker 4: shooter on the roof, shooter on the roof. That then

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Speaker 4: got the Keystone cops to like boost one guy up

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Speaker 4: and you look at him on the roof, and then

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Speaker 4: the shooter turned and like pointed the gun at the

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Speaker 4: cop right, then turned and fired right because he didn't

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Speaker 4: have enough time.

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Speaker 3: To get himself set, get himself set.

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Speaker 4: I think that's why he missed, if he'd have had

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Speaker 4: thirty seconds to calmly aim, because he probably knew, he

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Speaker 4: probably saw it. There's a Secret Service sniper pointing his

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Speaker 4: weapon at me right now. So like difficult conditions. But

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Speaker 4: so let's roll this this next clip, which is relevant

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Speaker 4: to all this, cheetle.

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Speaker 13: As you know, the shooter began shooting at six to

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Speaker 13: eleven PM Eastern on July thirteenth. NBC reported that at

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Speaker 13: five point fifty one PM, twenty minutes before the shooting began,

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Speaker 13: the State Police informed the Secret Service of their concern. Now,

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Speaker 13: the rally was not pause at that point, correct now,

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Speaker 13: And according to NBC, just two minutes later at five

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Speaker 13: point fifty three PM, the Secret Service notified it's snipers

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Speaker 13: about the gunman. The rally wasn't paused at that point either, correct. No,

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Speaker 13: let me show you some video footage by rally goers.

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Speaker 13: If you could play the video on the screen up here.

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Speaker 13: This was taken two minutes before the shooting start. If

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Speaker 13: you could turn up the volume.

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Speaker 14: We have.

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Speaker 6: The words, ma'am.

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Speaker 13: That doesn't look like suspicious behavior. That looks like threatening

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Speaker 13: behavior to me. And the rally wasn't pause at that

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Speaker 13: point either.

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Speaker 14: Correct.

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Speaker 10: I can tell you, as I stated earlier, sir, that

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Speaker 10: the moment that the shift surrounding the president were aware

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Speaker 10: of an actual threat.

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Speaker 13: That's a threat right there. The guy's on the roof

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Speaker 13: and everybody's yelling at him, yes and directing the officer's

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Speaker 13: attention to him. The rally was not pause at that point. Correct.

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Speaker 10: We are currently still combing through communications. And when communications

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Speaker 10: were passed.

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Speaker 15: Did they share with you how many shell casings were

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Speaker 15: on the roof? They have shared with me the Did

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Speaker 15: they share with you how many shellcasing were on the roof?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 15: Okay, how many were there?

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Speaker 10: I would refer to the FBI.

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Speaker 15: For how as many were there?

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Speaker 10: And their information that they need to share in their investigation.

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Speaker 15: So they've shared the information with you. You just don't want

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Speaker 15: to share the information with us.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 10: We have concurrent investigations that are going on, So.

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Speaker 15: They have shared this information with you. You know the

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Speaker 15: answer to the question. You just refuse to answer the

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Speaker 15: question from the member of Congress who has subpoenaed you

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Speaker 15: to be here.

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Speaker 10: Is there a different answer to that question. I was

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Speaker 10: always willing to come here and testify before this oversight.

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Speaker 10: Hearing beautiful, Then let's do that.

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Speaker 15: Let's four once have your actions match your words. So

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Speaker 15: you've been in the in communication with the FBI, you

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Speaker 15: know the answers, and you refuse to tell us the answers.

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Speaker 15: So I will ask you again, you know how many

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Speaker 15: shellcasings were on that roof? What is the answer to

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Speaker 15: that question? I think it's what is the answer to

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Speaker 15: that question?

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Speaker 10: I think it's pertinent to talk to you about the

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Speaker 10: information that the Secret Service has.

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Speaker 16: Would you agree that this is the most serious security

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Speaker 16: lapse since President Reagan was shot in nineteen eighty one

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Speaker 16: of the Secret Service?

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Speaker 10: Yes, sir, I would.

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Speaker 16: And you know, do you know what Stuart Knight did

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Speaker 16: when he was in charge at the time of the

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Speaker 16: Secret Service.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what he did afterwards?

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Speaker 10: He remained on duty, he resigned.

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Speaker 3: Brutal, absolutely brutal.

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Speaker 4: The middle one from that was Representative Lisa McLean, Republican

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Speaker 4: of Michigan. Asking about the shell casings is key because

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Speaker 4: there are a lot of questions about whether or not

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Speaker 4: there was another shooter there, and also how many shots

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Speaker 4: did he get off and comparing the number of shots

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Speaker 4: to the audio, And if you want to put any

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Speaker 4: of those questions to rest, you would count the shell

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Speaker 4: casings on the roof and see if they match the audio.

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Speaker 4: If they do, okay, basically case closed for her not

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Speaker 4: to provide that answer for whatever reason she decided not

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Speaker 4: to provide.

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Speaker 1: It, and to not even give a reason, really why

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Speaker 1: she admit that you know the answer and then just

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Speaker 1: completely stonewall when pressed on it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and to not know that the guy resigned after

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Speaker 4: the Reagan shooting, Like, how do you not know that?

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Speaker 1: How did you not yourself resign? I mean, it really

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Speaker 1: is perplexing. I have to think that if Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: had like a shred of sense about him, she would

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Speaker 1: be gone, Like I just it's unfathomable. To me, given

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Speaker 1: all that we've learned since this shooting occurred about the

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Speaker 1: security failures, you can see truly bipartisan outrage. Like when

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Speaker 1: those Congress people were questioning her, you really couldn't tell

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Speaker 1: who was a D or who was an R because

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Speaker 1: they all were so flabbergasted by these security failures. The

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Speaker 1: New York Times in another sign of how this is

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Speaker 1: a deeply bipartisan concern.

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Speaker 5: At this point, we could put up a tear sheet.

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Speaker 1: B three, they compiled a list of some of the

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Speaker 1: questions that she would not answer, the shellcasings being one

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Speaker 1: of them. Here's some of the other ones. Why did

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Speaker 1: the Secret Service not station an agent on that warehouse roof?

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Speaker 1: She had previously said there were concerns because it was sloped,

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Speaker 1: safety concerns.

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Speaker 5: It was barely slope.

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Speaker 1: Number one. Number two, I mean, that's just preposterous.

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Speaker 3: Number two. Your job is that it jump in front

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Speaker 3: of bullets.

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Speaker 1: Your job is to put yourself in danger to protect

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Speaker 1: your protectees. So I mean, it just crazy on that one.

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Speaker 1: But here she just stonewalls. Then how many Secret Service

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Speaker 1: agents were assigned to protect Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Won't

802
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Speaker 1: answer that for some reason, who decided the warehouse roof

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Speaker 1: would be outside the Secret Service's security perimeter, even though

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Speaker 1: it was so close, even though you know AOC's pointing out,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the most popular firearms in America

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Speaker 1: and it's well within its range. How could this be

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Speaker 1: outside the security perimeter? Won't answer? Why did the Secret

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Speaker 1: Service allow former President Trump to take the stage despite

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Speaker 1: people in the crowd pointing out a gunman on the

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Speaker 1: warehouse roof?

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Speaker 5: And we now know that they had identified.

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Speaker 1: The shooter as a suspicious person nearly half an hour

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Speaker 1: before the rally even began, So it is inexplicable. It

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Speaker 1: is outrageous that he was allowed to take the stage,

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Speaker 1: and then he was allowed to contin you up to

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Speaker 1: the point where he's getting shot in the ear and

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Speaker 1: nearly directly assassinated. Another question not answered, how did the shooter,

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Speaker 1: mister Crooks get his rifle up onto the warehouse roof?

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Speaker 1: Did he leave it there before the rally? We know

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Speaker 1: he had made multiple trips now to the area before

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Speaker 1: the rally, including and I'll put this tear sheet up

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Speaker 1: in a little while, including apparently he was able to

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Speaker 1: fly a drone multiple times over the fairgrounds to get

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Speaker 1: a bird's eye view so he could really properly scope

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Speaker 1: out what his target range was going to be. And finally,

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Speaker 1: what additional security steps did the Secret Service take after

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Speaker 1: the US learned about this alleged potential Iranian plot to

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Speaker 1: kill mister Trump. So they had stonewalled on the shell

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Speaker 1: casings on the perimeter on basics like how many Secret

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Speaker 1: Service agents were assigned on the timeline about what they

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Speaker 1: knew and when they say they don't haven't stored the

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Speaker 1: radio communications, so that's probably lost to history over what

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Speaker 1: the communication was like and when they knew there was

834
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Speaker 1: a very clear active threat that was identified by the crowd.

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Speaker 1: This is utter insanity that she's still.

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Speaker 5: In the job.

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Speaker 4: If I were Kamala, the first like major act I

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Speaker 4: do is like I demand that she'd be fired. True,

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Speaker 4: And then somebody would tell Joe Biden like, hey, by

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Speaker 4: the way, you're still president, Kamala would like you to

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Speaker 4: fire this director, and then he makes it, make it official.

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Speaker 4: But she gets the credit for it, because imagine if

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Speaker 4: we tried to do like a counterpoints Friday debate like

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Speaker 4: should the Secret Service director resign? Ah hard it would

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Speaker 4: be to find somebody like maybe Demetri would make that.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to get her herself in yeah, to make

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Speaker 1: a wildly inadequate case. I think she'd be the only

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Speaker 1: one defending. And listen, I want to be clear too,

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Speaker 1: I think there are many problems at the Secret Service

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Speaker 1: that go beyond just her. Right, she clearly is the problem,

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Speaker 1: and I think this testimony is a massive problem, But

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Speaker 1: I also think there are structural issues there. Ken Klippenstein,

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Speaker 1: a great friend and your former colleague, has you know,

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Speaker 1: closely covered Secret Service. One of the things he's talking

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Speaker 1: about is the fact that they have had such mission create.

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Speaker 1: The number of things that are assigned to the Secret

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Speaker 1: Service at this point have just you know, absolutely ballooned.

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Speaker 1: It's caused them in some ways to take their eye

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Speaker 1: off the ball. You've also had a number of scandals

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Speaker 1: over the years about their behavior and lack of professionalism.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on there that predates this

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Speaker 1: particular Secret Service director. But still, ultimately the buck stops

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Speaker 1: with this woman, and the fact that she's still there,

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Speaker 1: that she hasn't offered her resignation and hasn't been pushed

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Speaker 1: out is just completely mind boggling to me. We could

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Speaker 1: put this next piece up on the screen. The two

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Speaker 1: members highest ranking members that the chairman and the ranking

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Speaker 1: Democratic ranking member on this oversight committee, James Comer and

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Speaker 1: Jamie Raskin, put out a letter calling for her resignation.

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Speaker 1: They say, we call on you to resign as director

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Speaker 1: as a first step to allowing new leadership to swift

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Speaker 1: addressed this crist and rebuild the trust of a truly

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Speaker 1: concerned Congress and the American people. But you're absolutely correct,

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Speaker 1: Ryan the other day when you said, listen, if you're

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Speaker 1: a Republican and you, you know, are thinking that there

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Speaker 1: was malicious negligence or sometime type of other conspiracy going

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Speaker 1: on here, who could blame you given this stonewalling and

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Speaker 1: preposterous series of events.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and especially including with this Washing Post clip up here.

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Speaker 4: This is confirmation of what we were hearing in the

881
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Speaker 4: immediate aftermath of this that Trump has been and Trump's

882
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: team has been requesting additional resources, and the team itself

883
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Speaker 4: was requesting additional resources. And this comes a week after

884
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Speaker 4: they claim to have learned of this Iranian assassination threat

885
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Speaker 4: against Trump, and the Secret Service was denying these requests,

886
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Speaker 4: which which sounds malicious and they can only be malicious.

887
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Speaker 5: And they lied about denying their.

888
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Speaker 3: Requests, and they lied about that because.

889
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Speaker 1: These allegations and are very quickly after the shooting and

890
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Speaker 1: the secrets are no, no, that hasn't happened. And now

891
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Speaker 1: they had to go back to the Washington Post. It went, well, yeah,

892
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Speaker 1: actually we did deny these additional security requests.

893
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Speaker 4: And then, as you mentioned earlier, we're gonna put up

894
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Speaker 4: this final element Wall Street Journal this not only did

895
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Speaker 4: he have this scope and the range finder right that

896
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Speaker 4: he brought into the rally, that he had a drone

897
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Speaker 4: that he was flying over it.

898
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Speaker 3: It's like just the.

899
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Speaker 4: Level of incompetence on the part of the Secret Service

900
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Speaker 4: here is absolutely staggering. It's actually one more indictment of

901
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Speaker 4: the Department of Homeland Security.

902
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: Which was a mistake.

903
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Speaker 4: Like the DHS was created by Joe Lieberman I think

904
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Speaker 4: was the chair of the Homeland Security Committee at the time,

905
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Speaker 4: or was there a Homeland I think they created a

906
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Speaker 4: Homeland Security Committee that created Department of Homeland Security and

907
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Speaker 4: what And as a response to nine to eleven, they said, well,

908
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Speaker 4: we weren't coordinating intelligence between the FBI and the CIA,

909
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 4: and you know, these guys are flying planes over here.

910
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Speaker 4: The different offices didn't communicate with each other. So we're

911
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Speaker 4: going to create this giant agency called Department of Homeland Security,

912
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Speaker 4: and that's going to solve this problem of noncommunication.

913
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Speaker 3: It absolutely did not.

914
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Speaker 4: It created the most broken, I think, cabinet level body

915
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Speaker 4: that we have in the federal government.

916
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: It was a mistake.

917
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: It should be it should be I think unrolled, and

918
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 4: the pieces should be moved into more logical places. This

919
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: one used to be under the Treasury Department, and I

920
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 4: think that's a smart place for it. Put the Secret

921
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: Service back under the Treasury department, because then Treasury is

922
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 4: not going to ask them to do anything else Department

923
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 4: of Homeland Security. They're oh, Secret Service do this and

924
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: that and the other, and like just spread their mission

925
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Speaker 4: out wide with under Treasury. There you have one job,

926
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Speaker 4: protect the people you're supposed to protect.

927
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Speaker 1: Isn't one of the top things that they focus on.

928
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Speaker 1: Counterfeit money, Yeah, right, into that may Yeah, that may

929
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Speaker 1: stay in the treasure that's Treasury.

930
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that clearly belongs to Treasury. Yeah.

931
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Speaker 1: And this is, like I said, this is something kind

932
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Speaker 1: of mistragging because he's he's very wary of the and

933
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Speaker 1: rightfully so the conversation now about like, oh, they don't

934
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Speaker 1: have enough resources, right.

935
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Speaker 3: And just throw more money at them.

936
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Speaker 1: It's not the resource. They have plenty of resources. Those

937
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Speaker 1: resources are not focused in the right areas. And then

938
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Speaker 1: there has been you know, it seems a lack of

939
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Speaker 1: a slippage in standards and lack of professionalism, And then

940
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Speaker 1: I think it's entirely appropriate to ask whether they from

941
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Speaker 1: the top level just didn't care that much about keeping

942
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump safe. And we saw efforts from Democratic legislators

943
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Speaker 1: to pull his Secret Service protection, and you know, outrageously,

944
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Speaker 1: up until this happened, RFK Junior didn't have Secret Service

945
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Speaker 1: protection even though he was you know, repeatedly routinely asking

946
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Speaker 1: about and there have been credible threats against him, et cetera. So,

947
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's unfair at all to

948
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Speaker 1: ask whether protecting the former president just wasn't really a priority,

949
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: wasn't really something they cared about. Because the profile of

950
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Speaker 1: this twenty year old nearly near assassin, it's not impressive.

951
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: It's not like this is some highly trained, super sophisticated sniper. Yeah,

952
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Speaker 1: this is someone who couldn't even make it on his

953
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: high school rifle team freshman, right, right, apparently maybe improved

954
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: over the years, but was so not stealth that you

955
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: had dozens of ordinary rally goers spotting him long before

956
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Speaker 1: he was able to squeeze off these shots against the

957
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Speaker 1: former president. So it's not like this appears to have

958
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Speaker 1: been some high level plot. So imagine if there was

959
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Speaker 1: a high level plot, there's no way that they would

960
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Speaker 1: have disrupted it. He is a sitting duck, and you know,

961
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 1: by extension, probably anyone else that they're protecting is as well.

962
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, if Ron missed their shot, like if it's actually true,

963
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Speaker 4: and if that's not like some fake intelligence right there

964
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 4: trying to pull something off. Yeah, two Iranian assassins could

965
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 4: easily pull off that against this secret service.

966
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

967
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Speaker 4: The other thing AOC banged away at a CHEETL four

968
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Speaker 4: was her. She kept saying that she would have a

969
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Speaker 4: report in sixty days. She's like, yo, dog, sixty days, right,

970
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Speaker 4: were the height of like the presidential campaign.

971
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Speaker 3: Sixty days.

972
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Speaker 5: That's right.

973
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 3: You don't get sixty days right.

974
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Speaker 1: Now, That's exactly right. And part of this, too, is,

975
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, is the appearance of how weak the actual

976
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: security was. I mean, part of security is like security theater,

977
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: persuading people that it would be too hard to do this,

978
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, horrific thing, so I'm just not going to

979
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: do it. And so because it was so laxed, because

980
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: it was so easy for this kid to not kid,

981
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: this twenty year old monster to fly drones and bring

982
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: an arranged binder and wander around the fair grounds and

983
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: climb up a roof with a rifle and even when

984
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: the cops spot him, they do nothing about it. All

985
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: of this, you know, that could potentially embolden others who

986
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: have horrible ideas in their heads.

987
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: Oh the other interesting background, and then we can move

988
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Speaker 4: on to old baby yea. Some of the background of

989
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 4: the resentment here is I think the Secret Service executives

990
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: have felt resentful towards the Trump campaign for years for

991
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 4: overcharging them for like you know, they basically they'd put

992
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: them up at the Trump hotel and put them up

993
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 4: at Mar A Lago, and then Secret Service will get

994
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: the bills, the bill, and the bills would be like,

995
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: because he gets to write the bills'd be like, wait

996
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: a minute, three thousand dollars a night for this room.

997
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: Come on, you serious?

998
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 4: It doesn't cost that much and nobody's even renting it

999
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 4: right now, and so that was just seen as like

1000
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: padding Trump's personal bottom line. So I'm sure that that

1001
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 4: played a role in the interplay between the like demands

1002
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Speaker 4: for more resources.

1003
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Speaker 1: And that's interesting, so very human, very human, you know, bitterness, pettiness, grievance, grudge, etcetera,

1004
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: leading to hump leading. Yeah, it's true, leading to utter catastrophe.

1005
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: All right, guys, As I mentioned before, bb Netnaho is

1006
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: in town. We're fortunate to be joined by the Mayor

1007
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: of dearborn of Delahamoud to talk about that visit and

1008
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: what we can read into Kamala Harris and whether her

1009
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: position will be identical to Joe Biden's visa Vigaza or

1010
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: whether she will create some space between them. Let's get

1011
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: to it, Mayor, welcome back. It's great to see you.

1012
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 14: Thank you so much for having me.

1013
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: So, as you well know, bb netnah who is in

1014
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: town even as an ICC or RUSS warrant looms over

1015
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: his head and ICJ has just ruled that the West

1016
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: Bank settlements are illegal. This has raised all sorts of questions,

1017
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: but in particular, we wanted to talk to you about

1018
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: how you were viewing the shift from Joe Biden to

1019
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: Vice President Harris as the presumptive Democratic nominee. Let's go

1020
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: out and put this up on the screen from Baraka Revid.

1021
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: How Vice President Harris is handling this BB visit this week.

1022
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: So apparently she is expected to meet with the Israeli

1023
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: Prime Minister at the White House separately from Biden later

1024
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: this week. However, she conveniently had a conflict in terms

1025
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: of his speech to the Senate, so she will not

1026
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 1: be in the set. She will not be presiding over

1027
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: the Senate for that speech. So, you know, what do

1028
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: you make so far of Vice President Harris's views with

1029
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: regard to Israel and whether or not she may be

1030
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: in lockstep with Joe Biden's genocidal support of the Israeli

1031
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: assault on Gaza, or whether she may create some distance

1032
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: between herself and the way he has approached the issue.

1033
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 17: You know, I think the idea that she won't be

1034
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 17: seated behind the war criminal in Natanyahu as he's addressing

1035
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 17: Congress is a positive step. Whether that decision was made

1036
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 17: recently or previously. We really raised to be seen as

1037
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 17: pertains the proper conversation and the talking points that you

1038
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 17: had on the screen. I think what's really lacking is

1039
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Speaker 17: the further emphasis and the need for the Palacinians to

1040
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 17: have a right to self determination and the idea now

1041
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 17: that the ICJ has really provided Vice President Kamala Harris

1042
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 17: with the shield and the sword to be an offensive

1043
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 17: in those conversations with Benjamin Eatania, who in private to

1044
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 17: talk about the need for Israel's withdrawal of Raza and

1045
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 17: the West Bank and the end of the occupation, to

1046
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 17: talk about potentially an offensive arms embargo and how we

1047
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 17: actually achieve a lasting, permanent ceasefire with the ultimate hope

1048
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 17: of adjust Palasinian state. So I think there's still a

1049
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 17: lot left to be seen on the table, and I'm

1050
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 17: hoping that there's a departure though from the current course

1051
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 17: that has been charted by President Biden. I think really

1052
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Speaker 17: now there's an opportunity for Vice President Harris to demonstrate

1053
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 17: there's a clear distinctual difference between where she stands on

1054
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 17: the issue and where the current president stands on the issue.

1055
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Speaker 4: For Michigan voters who are concerned about Gaza, how much

1056
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 4: does her link to the current administration make it impossible

1057
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 4: for her to make her case versus how willing are

1058
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 4: people to say, look Vice President doesn't actually have much

1059
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 4: say over what's going on.

1060
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 3: Let's hear what she has to say. What are you

1061
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: hearing from people?

1062
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Speaker 17: You know people, I would say that the door is open.

1063
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 17: I'm not going to say that the doors wide open,

1064
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 17: but there might be a crack in this door that's

1065
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Speaker 17: opened that.

1066
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Speaker 14: Biden once had closed.

1067
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Speaker 17: And what people are saying, at least the constituents and

1068
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Speaker 17: the conversations that I've been a part of, is that

1069
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Speaker 17: you want the Vice president, who is the presumptive Democratic

1070
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Speaker 17: national who's gonna be the presumptive Democratic nominee, to come

1071
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 17: out and willfully and boldly say and declare that she

1072
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 17: would like to see a permanent ceasefire, she would like

1073
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Speaker 17: an offensive arms embargo on the state of Israel given

1074
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Speaker 17: the ICJ and the ICC rulings, that she wants the

1075
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Speaker 17: unfedtered access to humanitarian aid, and that she's going to

1076
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 17: distance herself further from Benjamin Netanyahu and his cabinet of

1077
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 17: war criminals. And so I think these are the talking

1078
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Speaker 17: points and the policy decisions that people are eager to

1079
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 17: hear from the presumptive Democratic nominee.

1080
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of reading of the tea leaves of

1081
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Speaker 1: some of the comments she has made even as Vice president,

1082
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Speaker 1: and also some reading of the Tea leaves of some

1083
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Speaker 1: of the internal reports that she had been somewhat of

1084
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Speaker 1: a dissenter, that she had at least had some concern

1085
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Speaker 1: for Palestinian human rights. That I mean, we've just never

1086
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: really seen any empathy from President Joe Biden when it

1087
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Speaker 1: comes to Palestinians can put this up on the screen.

1088
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Speaker 1: Several of the ex Biden administration officials who had resigned

1089
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Speaker 1: over his Israel policy say they are more hopeful about

1090
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Speaker 1: how VP Harris would handle the Warren Gaza if she

1091
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Speaker 1: were president. One of those individuals said, quote, Frankly, it's

1092
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Speaker 1: hard to imagine any Democrat having a worse approach to

1093
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Speaker 1: the genocide than Biden, given his complete resistance to any

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Speaker 1: shift over the last ten months. So, mayor how are

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Speaker 1: you reading those signs? Given Kamala Harris's public remarks and

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Speaker 1: some of the reports that have come out from her

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Speaker 1: role inside the White House.

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Speaker 14: I think hopeful is the right word here. I feel the.

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Speaker 17: Same way, and many constituents and people are eager to

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Speaker 17: feel that way as well. You know, ultimately, what's going

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Speaker 17: to drive people to come out and cast their ballot

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Speaker 17: in November. Is hope, the hope of having an aspiring

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Speaker 17: candidate who can depart from the decades old democratic foreign

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Speaker 17: policy agenda that has led us to endless wars and

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Speaker 17: the unfolding genocide now in Aresa. And so if we

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Speaker 17: want to advance transformative domestic policy that centers working people,

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Speaker 17: that centers people's humanitarianism, at the same time, we need

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Speaker 17: to have a foreign policy that's reflective of the same

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Speaker 17: dignity that we have for Americans, that we should eliminate

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Speaker 17: these geographic borders and say what we want for Americans,

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Speaker 17: we'd also love to for others around the globe to have,

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Speaker 17: including Palicanians, those in Asa, West Bank and Jerusalem. And

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Speaker 17: so again we're hopeful. It's in the early days, and

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Speaker 17: I think time will tell where exactly Vice President Harris

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Speaker 17: falls on these issues. I think she is walking a

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Speaker 17: tight rope knowing that she still is the vice president

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Speaker 17: to President Joe Biden. We know very much where he

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Speaker 17: stands on these issues. At the same time, she needs

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Speaker 17: to create space as the presumptive nominee to demonstrate that

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Speaker 17: she differs from the president on this issue.

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Speaker 3: You know, one key question will I think will be outreached.

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Speaker 4: And this is only her second full day as the

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Speaker 4: presumptive nominee, and she had spent a lot of time

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Speaker 4: kind of sewing up the delegates for the nomination. But

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Speaker 4: I'm curious if you've heard from anybody in the Michigan

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Speaker 4: community who has gotten outreach, you know, from either the

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Speaker 4: Vice President herself or from people in her circle with

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Speaker 4: some sort of an olive branch.

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Speaker 17: You know, I can say that months ago I was

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Speaker 17: in contact with the Vice President's team, and this is

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Speaker 17: prior to any assumption that the president may step down

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Speaker 17: as a Democratic nominee. I mean, it was a conversation

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Speaker 17: where the messaging felt more empathetic and sympathetic to what

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Speaker 17: was unfolding for the Palestinians. And I know folks in

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Speaker 17: the community are now beginning to receive calls and invitations

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Speaker 17: to participate in roundtables and to really hopefully have our

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Speaker 17: thoughts jotted down not only at the table, but also

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Speaker 17: in policy. And so we're hopeful to see what this

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Speaker 17: next month and a half two months prior to the

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Speaker 17: convention demonstrates, and obviously the long time between now and November,

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Speaker 17: and as we're seeing each day brings an exciting new

1142
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Speaker 17: announcement of what's happening and unfolding on this presidential campaign trail.

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Speaker 17: Each day seems to be a world of events unfolding.

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Speaker 17: And so I can't tell you what tomorrow holds, but

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Speaker 17: I think where we're all eager to see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, I want to put Abby Martin tweeted this. You

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Speaker 1: know I brought up this sort of hopeful signs for

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. Let me bring up the not so hopeful

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Speaker 1: signs for Kamala Harris. Abby Martin put this together. She says,

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Speaker 1: Biden Leave's off is a disgrace, war criminal. Let's make

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Speaker 1: no allusions about where Kamala stands on Israel. And then

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Speaker 1: she ticks off regular APAC speaker compared to Selma and

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Speaker 1: the US civil rights struggle to her pro Israel activism

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Speaker 1: called BDS anti Semitic co sponsored resolution against Obama in

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Speaker 1: support of illegal Settlement's former campaign director says her support

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Speaker 1: for Israel es central to who she is. She hosted

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Speaker 1: a White House event promoting Israel's atrocity propaganda about October seventh,

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Speaker 1: after calling for immediate ceasefire and march. He then clarified

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Speaker 1: she just meant Biden's temporary pause. Biden officials say, quote,

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Speaker 1: there's no dispute on policy between Biden and Harris on Gaza.

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Speaker 1: I'd love for you to reflect on some of those pieces.

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Speaker 1: But also, you know, is it your sense that Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden is just sort of at the center of democratic opinion,

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Speaker 1: democratic party opinion on Israel, or is it your sense

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Speaker 1: that he's uniquely bad and any just sort of normal,

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Speaker 1: run of the mill Democrat would at least have more

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Speaker 1: skepticism and more willingness to use the levers of power

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Speaker 1: when it comes to bb Net Yahouo in particular.

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Speaker 17: I think President Biden was one of the most extreme cases.

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Speaker 17: And I think if we've noticed anything over the last

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Speaker 17: ten months, that the center of the party has certainly

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Speaker 17: moved on this issue. The plurality of Democrats, of Independence

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Speaker 17: of Republicans have all been calling for a premanencies where

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Speaker 17: plurality believed that wasn't polling to be a genocide. Yet

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Speaker 17: we have not seen our president move with the center

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Speaker 17: of the party, although he's done that and previous years

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Speaker 17: as a time as Senator when really critical issues.

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Speaker 14: Have changed over time, and so for the vice president.

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Speaker 17: I'm very much aware of her history and her track record,

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Speaker 17: either as you are senator or currently not as vice president.

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Speaker 17: And I think though for the community, you know, the

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Speaker 17: anti war community, the pro justice community, air community, or

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Speaker 17: Muslim community, we are not blind to the idea that

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Speaker 17: more than likely we're going to have a pro Israeli president,

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Speaker 17: somebody who would strongly believes in the allowship with the

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Speaker 17: Israeli government, regardless of who the Prime Minister or the

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Speaker 17: cabinet is that is in power. That is just a

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Speaker 17: de facto going to be the case. And I think

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Speaker 17: what we're trying to do now is begin to create

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Speaker 17: the room to charter a new course, one that uplifts

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Speaker 17: more than justice two state policy, but that actually inks

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Speaker 17: and is willing to put paper, put pen to paper

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Speaker 17: to talk about exactly an exact timeline, but how we

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Speaker 17: actually achieve a just state for the Palestinian people, but

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Speaker 17: how we hold the Israeli cabinet accountable about how we

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Speaker 17: usher in the ICC and I CG rulings and make

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Speaker 17: sure that international law is actually upheld and respected, because

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Speaker 17: more than just the genocide that's unfolding that's at stake

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Speaker 17: is also America standing on the global stage, which has

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Speaker 17: been seated greatly and tremendously over these last ten months under.

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Speaker 14: The current president.

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Speaker 4: And my colleague Jeremy Scahill over at drop site News

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Speaker 4: wrote on this topic yesterday, if we can put this

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Speaker 4: up on the screen, and he dug up this really

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Speaker 4: extraordinary quote that I wanted to get your response to.

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Speaker 4: It's from a private APAC conference in twenty eighteen. Kamala

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Speaker 4: Harris was asked why she's so adamant in her support

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Speaker 4: for Israel. She said, quote is just something that has

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Speaker 4: always been a part of me. I don't know when

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Speaker 4: it started. It's almost like saying, when did you first

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Speaker 4: realize you loved your family or love your country.

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Speaker 3: It just was always there. It was always there.

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Speaker 4: You kind of read that in two ways, one being like, oh, wait,

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Speaker 4: I don't have an answer for this.

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Speaker 1: It sounds very Trumpian, yes, like which Bible verse do

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Speaker 1: you like? Well, really all of them?

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Speaker 3: And it's so private to me.

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Speaker 4: I had a quick sound like that, like she never

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Speaker 4: actually didn't have an answer to that question and never

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Speaker 4: thought about it. On the other hand, it's wildly over

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Speaker 4: the top curious. From your perspective, you were probably quite

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Speaker 4: used to seeing the over the top statements of support

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Speaker 4: for Israel from Democratic candidates over the years. How much

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Speaker 4: stock do you put in rhetoric like that, given just

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Speaker 4: how kind of pervasive it is.

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Speaker 17: You Obviously it carries some weight. Tonality carries weight, the

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Speaker 17: verbiage of the words that are used carries weight. But

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Speaker 17: I think what I'm trying to do now, not only

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Speaker 17: for the sake of the community represent but for the

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Speaker 17: sake for the public, of the broader public at large,

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Speaker 17: as well as what's happening in the Palcitinia that Oza

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Speaker 17: and West Bank and Jerusalem, is that I'm trying to

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Speaker 17: create room to have a conversation to see if there's

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Speaker 17: a willingness to chart a new course. I think what

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Speaker 17: I don't have the luxury of doing is sitting on

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Speaker 17: the sideline and just writing off any individuals saying, well,

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Speaker 17: the previous decision making.

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Speaker 14: Has demonstrated that there is no room for change.

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Speaker 17: We have to create room for change, whether that's through

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Speaker 17: pressure points such as the Uncommitted movement, whether it's through

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Speaker 17: pressure points like you saw calling on President Biden to

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Speaker 17: step down, or now knowing that this is going to

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Speaker 17: be a very tight race, meaning there might be opportunities

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Speaker 17: to strike deals at the policy decision making table about

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Speaker 17: how you coalesce a coalition of groups that wants to

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Speaker 17: usher in a pro justice, anti war era and to

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Speaker 17: do so that means there must be a stark difference

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Speaker 17: and a new center for the Democratic Party on this

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Speaker 17: policy of Israel and Palestine.

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Speaker 1: You know, I did come up with, sorry, one more

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Speaker 1: question for you, but I was just curious if you've

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Speaker 1: thought about the potential vice presidential contenders who've been floated

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Speaker 1: as being on the Harris ticket. You know, a few

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Speaker 1: of the top ones you can think of are actually

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Speaker 1: Tim Walla, who's governor of Minnesota, popped up in one

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Speaker 1: A bunch of governors, Mark Kelly is another one, Arizona

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Speaker 1: Senator Joshapiro Pennsylvania, Roy Cooper North Carolina, Andy Bisheer of Kentucky, JB.

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Speaker 1: Pritzker of Illinois, or some of the names that have

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Speaker 1: been flowed around. I think Gretchen Whitmery, your own governor,

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Speaker 1: is mentioned occasionally, though less often than some of those others.

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Speaker 1: I wonder do you have an opinion on where any

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Speaker 1: of those contenders might stand visa vigaza.

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Speaker 17: I you know, I think there's a few governors and

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Speaker 17: I won't specify.

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Speaker 14: I think that the news speaks for yourself.

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Speaker 17: We have made remarks as it pertains to for potentially

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Speaker 17: comparing the protesters on college campuses to the KKK that.

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Speaker 1: Would be Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 14: Yes, they very.

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Speaker 17: Uh uh, you know, dystopian comparison to draw and something

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Speaker 17: that is absolutely not supportive of by many of us

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Speaker 17: in the progressive movement on the left or in the

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Speaker 17: ABA Muslim American community. I think, you know, I leave

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Speaker 17: it to the VP to vet who she believes to

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Speaker 17: be her strongest nominee in order for her to have

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Speaker 17: the best chance coming this November.

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Speaker 14: But what I would say is, you know, there's.

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Speaker 17: A coalition that has fractured, the coalition that ensured that

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Speaker 17: President Biden received the winning amount of electoral votes four

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Speaker 17: years ago.

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Speaker 14: That coalition needs to be brought back together.

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Speaker 17: But in order for that to happen now, the Democratic

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Speaker 17: Party needs to be more than just a big ten party.

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Speaker 14: It needs to be a party that actually.

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Speaker 17: Puts pen to paper and ushers a new era on policy,

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Speaker 17: whether there's domestic policy, global policy. We have to talk

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Speaker 17: about where the new center of the party is and

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Speaker 17: make sure that those values are reflected in the policy

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Speaker 17: that we put forward.

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Speaker 14: You know, personally, you.

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Speaker 17: Know, we've taken a lot of criticism over the last

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Speaker 17: ten months for having the goal to say that we

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Speaker 17: put people over party and people over president. But I

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Speaker 17: firmly believe that as Democrats, we should be a party

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Speaker 17: that's not a cult. We don't follow an individual just

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Speaker 17: because that individual may be popular. What we rather do

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Speaker 17: is put our values at the forefront and lead in

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Speaker 17: that manner. And that's what we're trying to do now.

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Speaker 17: So regardless of who the presumptive nominee is, our values

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Speaker 17: have not changed. We want to see permanencies far we

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Speaker 17: want to see infront of the access to umanitarian aid.

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Speaker 17: We want to see an arms embargo on the Israeli government,

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Speaker 17: especially given that war crimes are being filed and charged

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Speaker 17: against the Prime Minister in many of his cabinet members.

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Speaker 17: And we want to see a just Palastinian state because

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Speaker 17: a return to the status quo is unacceptable. So these

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Speaker 17: are the values, at least on the global policy front

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Speaker 17: as pertains this one issue as well, as we also

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Speaker 17: care on many domestic issues, whether it's expanding access to healthcare,

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Speaker 17: ushering a new green era, ensuring that our children and

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Speaker 17: our grandchildren have access to a healthy future, talking about

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Speaker 17: small business policy and.

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Speaker 14: Centering workers' rights.

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Speaker 17: So there's so much that we want to discuss and address,

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Speaker 17: but the values should take center stage, and this idea

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Speaker 17: of just following personalities has to really fall to the wayside.

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Speaker 1: Mayor So grateful for your time this morning. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 14: Thank you are good for having me.

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Speaker 1: So as we've been tracking here, there have been a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions about what exactly unfolded in Rehoboth Beach

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Speaker 1: when Joe Biden resigned dropped down of the presidential race.

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Speaker 1: Of course, maintaining has fut in the presidence you're dropping

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Speaker 1: out of the presidential race. He is reportedly sick with

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Speaker 1: COVID and has not actually been visibly seen in public

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Speaker 1: since this stunning decision to drop out of the race.

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Speaker 1: This has sparked a lot of conjecture and conspiracy about

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Speaker 1: maybe it really wasn't him, Maybe he's so unwell he

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Speaker 1: can't even do this anymore. Perhaps he's even already passed away,

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Speaker 1: or he's locked in the basement, and it was some

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01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: intern who got control of his account who put out

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Speaker 1: this letter and then the endorsement of Kamala Harris. So

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden decided yesterday to call in to the Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris sort of rallying campaign speech at what was Biden

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Speaker 1: HQ now Harris HQ. Probably in part seeking to put

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Speaker 1: to bed some of these rumors about where he's been

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Speaker 1: and what he's up to, so he calls in to

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Speaker 1: this rally. But this has not come close to killing

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Speaker 1: the rumors about where is Joe Biden and the conspiracies

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01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: and conjecture about where is Joe Biden because of a

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01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: unfortunate slip up from Kamala Harris, who seems to come

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Speaker 1: close to calling the phone call a recording instead of

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Speaker 1: a life called This was seized on by many online.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to how that went down.

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Speaker 7: It is so good to hear our president's voice.

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Speaker 16: Joe.

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01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 7: I know you're still on the on the call, and

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01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 7: we've been talking every day. You probably you guys heard

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01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 7: it from Doug's voice. We love Joe and Jail, we

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01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 7: really do. They truly are like family does and we do.

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Speaker 16: Everybody hear the.

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Speaker 1: Cool I know you're still there. You're not going anywhere, Joe.

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Speaker 14: I'm watching a kid.

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Speaker 10: I'm watching a kid.

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Speaker 14: I love it.

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Speaker 7: I love you, Joe.

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Speaker 1: So this is the latest evidence being entered into the

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Speaker 1: the theory that he is I don't know, gone, no

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Speaker 1: longer locked in the basement, whatever it is. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. This is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the main tweets with the timeline that has

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Speaker 1: gone viral backing up this conspiracy. Let's recap this historic

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01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: days as Joe Biden suddenly resigns via its witter, White

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Speaker 1: House staff find out one minute later, Joe biden resignation

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Speaker 1: letters not on official letterhead. The Bidens signature is suspect.

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Speaker 1: Steve Roschetti helped write the letter. I'm not sure why

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Speaker 1: that is suspicious.

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Speaker 3: You know he did, Yeah, he is stop.

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: Aid for years anyway, Joe Biden tweets heart emoji response.

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Speaker 5: Also not sure why that.

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Speaker 1: Suspicious White House wipes Biden's schedule. White House Chief of

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Speaker 1: Staff calls cabinet manageres comms. Frank Biden confirms health is

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Speaker 1: a factor. Families suggests Biden may have terminal illness. I'm

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01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: not sure what that refers to. Joe Biden holds no

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01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,759
Speaker 1: live press conference, where is Joe? Just another perfectly normal

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01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: day in Biden's America. Ellis but the last piece up

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01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: on the screen here, A bunch of high profile FIGNARE

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01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 1: figures like Bill Ackman in particular, has been going wild

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01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: with this, retweeting these sorts of accounts and you know,

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Speaker 1: just going kind of all in on the Where's Joe

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01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: direction line of inquiry. Alex Berenson here is saying this

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01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: isn't good, the end wokeness account saying Biden dropped down

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01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: over four hours ago. Yet we literally have zero evidence

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Speaker 1: that he knows about it, not even a photo. The

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01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: paperwork has already been filed. The cam pain cash is

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01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: being transferred, endorsements for Kamala pouring in, yet we have

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Speaker 1: no clue who sent that post Ryan, what it is?

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Speaker 1: I will say like he should probably appear in public

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Speaker 1: at this point, because it is getting a little bit like, okay,

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Speaker 1: the vote for real, you know, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: But when I think the most likely explanation is he

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Speaker 1: does have COVID, right, he is bitter and pissed off

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: at everyone and doesn't really want to have to do

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01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 1: anything anymore, just wants to hang out at his beach

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Speaker 1: house in Rehoboth and sow his resentment.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, what do you make.

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Speaker 3: Of all this?

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Speaker 4: It feels very weird until you consider exactly those two

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Speaker 4: key points. The one key point we know he has COVID,

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Speaker 4: or he has said he has COVID, no reason to

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01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 4: believe he doesn't have COVID, because he wanted to show

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 4: that he was able to go out of the campaign trail,

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01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 4: and getting knocked off the campaign trail helped lead to

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01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 4: his demise, which is something he didn't want, So why

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01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 4: would he stage that.

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Speaker 3: As an old.

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Speaker 4: Man with COVID he would have appeared like even more

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 4: decrepit than usual. And his speech where he announces his

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Speaker 4: resignation he knows is going to be one of the

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Speaker 4: most watched speeches in looking back at him from the future,

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Speaker 4: just like we've all seen lbj's clip of saying I

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Speaker 4: shall not seek and I will not accept the nomination

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Speaker 4: of my party in nineteen sixty eight, we've all seen

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Speaker 4: that by hundreds of times, just put in front of us.

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Speaker 4: We've seen him say that more than we've people who

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Speaker 4: aren't alive. Then I've seen that more than they've seen

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Speaker 4: anything else. So he doesn't want to be the guy

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01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:38,879
Speaker 4: with COVID who can barely speak in that clip. But secondly,

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Speaker 4: consider this, you always have to you always have to

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Speaker 4: ask yourself, you.

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Speaker 3: Theorizing your conspiracies, who benefits.

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01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 4: Democrats would love it if Joe Biden would resign or

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01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 4: not to be Macabua, but even die, because then Kamala

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Speaker 4: Harris becomes president and she then goes in with these

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01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 4: and come and see advantages without the disadvantages of having

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Speaker 4: been the president for the rest of the terms.

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Speaker 3: You can't blame her for the rest of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: It's very difficult for people to envision a black woman

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Speaker 4: as president of the United States. Having her serving as

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Speaker 4: president of the United States would help get her over

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 4: that hump, So they would like that. So why would

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Speaker 4: they have that opportunity in front of them, but.

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Speaker 3: Then engaging some conspiracy to cover it up.

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Speaker 4: So that's where the Bill Ackman conspiracy and Laura Lumer

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01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 4: and all that just kind of falls apart.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, what I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: What I appreciate about it is that like it's going

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: to get disproven in like two days when he is

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01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: back in DC and meets with bb Nan Yahu, you know.

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Speaker 4: Which or he dies because everybody dies, that's true, at

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01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 4: which point Kamala Harris becomes president and Democrats will be

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01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 4: happy that she became president. Yeah, and they will mourn

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 4: President Biden.

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Speaker 1: That has been one of the things too, because you

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01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: now have a drumbeat of like you know, JD Vance

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01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: and these people who are saying he should resign, and

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't really understand the tactical consideration there wish for

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01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: because it actually would benefit I think it would definitely

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01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,440
Speaker 1: benefit Kamala Harris to serve asident.

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Speaker 5: I think Joe Biden should resign too.

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Speaker 1: I actually agree with that because I think the fundamental

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01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: point of if you're not fit to serve another four years,

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01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: how can you, given what we've seen of you, make

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01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: the case you're fit to serve today? I think that's

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01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: entirely fair and legitimate. I just don't think it particularly

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01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: serves their political interests to really push hard on that point.

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: But they probably don't expect that he actually will resign,

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: and so it's more of a ploy to illustrate that

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01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: there was this cover up of his condition, which I

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Speaker 1: also think is true and legitimate and a legitimate question

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Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris is going to have to grapple with

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01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: of what did you know of his decline and what

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Speaker 1: were you hiding from the American public now. Fortunately for her,

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Speaker 1: she was very much on the outskirts of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think she was seeing him all that regularly.

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Speaker 1: I think she was sort of shut out of that

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01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: circle of close aids. After this felt that she didn't

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: handle herself well, and she didn't handle herself well, especially

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01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: in the early days of the administration. She's not one

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Speaker 1: of these who's had this long, long term relationship with

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden and not in the end was effectively the

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Speaker 1: only people those with the only people who had any

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01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: access to him. Over the past roughly year, we keep

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01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: getting these anecdotes. There was a new one that came

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01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: out that the last time he met with Congressional Democrats

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01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: was back whenever they were trying to pass the infrastructure deal,

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Speaker 1: Like that.

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Speaker 3: Was a long time ago.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was years ago.

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Speaker 1: Was the last time that he met won Congressional Democrats

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Speaker 1: and the meeting, his talk was such a disaster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty one, right before the Virginia elections.

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: He forgot eve That's right, he forgot even to make

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: the pitch he was supposed to make for the trillion

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Speaker 1: dollar infrastructure package.

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Speaker 5: It was completely disjointed and garbled.

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Speaker 1: To the point that after he left, Nancy Pelosi had

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01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: to come and clean it up and say this is

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Speaker 1: what he meant to say. And since then he never

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Speaker 1: that was it. He never met with them again. We

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01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: also learned what he hadn't met with his cat in

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01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: some nine months, because the last time you met with them,

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01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: they insisted that every cabinet member submit to them exactly

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01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: precisely what they were going to say and told them

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01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: here are the questions that Joe Biden is going to

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01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: ask you. It was one hundred percent totally prescripted. So

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01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions about, you know, all

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01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 1: of these people and how they're implicated and cover up

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01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,560
Speaker 1: of Joe Biden's health. But but yeah, I think this

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: this theory.

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:27,480
Speaker 5: It's also.

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Speaker 1: Partly Republicans have been They didn't think that Joe Biden

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01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: was going to step down. They thought he was going

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01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: to hang in there, and they're kind of spinning their

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: wheels right now about how to grapple with you know,

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: he's out and now we have like a candidate who

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01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: can speak and who has some enthusiasm behind her. And

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01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: it's still a weak candidate, but we actually are going

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: to have to run a race. Maybe Jade Vance was

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01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 1: not the greatest pick. It's the vice presidential and so

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01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: I think this is part of the spinning of the

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01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: wheels that Republicans are doing right now to cope with

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01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: the moment.

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Speaker 3: Also, yeah, they haven't found their footing yet, not yet.

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01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 5: They will, they will.

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01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, some of the things they've been saying about

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01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: Kamala har Harlott, Yeah, yeah, and her childlessness and whatever

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01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: really off the rails as well. So I think maybe

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Speaker 1: you and Emily, I think it'd be interesting for you

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Speaker 1: guys to talk about that tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Counterpoints Washington Post Alison wild New reporting on RFK Junior

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Speaker 4: and Trump. We can put up this tweet here from

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01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 4: an old friend of the show. Liz Smith pulled this

1524
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 4: from her tweet. But yeah, so that. Washington Post reports

1525
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 4: Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kenny Junior helped talks this

1526
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 4: month with former President Donald Trump about endorsing his campaign

1527
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 4: and taking a job and his second Trump administration overseeing

1528
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 4: a portfolio of health and medical issues.

1529
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 3: According to four people familiar with the matter.

1530
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 4: The discussions, which began hours after the attempted assassination of

1531
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 4: Trump at a rally on July thirteenth, did not result

1532
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 4: in an agreement, amid concerns in Trump's orbit about the

1533
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 4: complications about promising a job in exchange for a political endorsement.

1534
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 4: According to the people who spoke on the condition of

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01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 4: anonymity to describe private conversations and so Crystal, what the

1536
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 4: Post goes on to report is that the Trump people

1537
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 4: were concerned that he was too explicit in his quid

1538
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 4: pro quo request. It is standard practice in politics to

1539
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 4: drop out and exchange for stuff. That's what you do.

1540
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 4: When Pete Buddha Judge dropped out of the presidential campaign

1541
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 4: on the phone with Obama and decided that he was

1542
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 4: going to endorse Biden as part of that consolidation around Biden,

1543
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 4: it was very much understood that doing so put you

1544
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 4: in the good graces of the administration, and that those

1545
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 4: good graces would lead to some type of a good position. Yeah,

1546
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 4: but it is highly unlikely that either of them would

1547
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 4: have been crass enough to say I will make you

1548
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 4: Transportation secretary under Biden's administration.

1549
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: If you do this, because you're not supposed to do that.

1550
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to say it out right.

1551
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 4: You're just supposed to be understood. Also, you don't care,

1552
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 4: like Bodach just doesn't care. Make me secretary of something

1553
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 4: and I'll and he'll make the most of it.

1554
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: Actually, remember he did care because they offered him o

1555
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: MB and he wanted something that would be more forward facing,

1556
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: because he wanted that ability to like, you know, travel

1557
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: around the country and be the Roman ceremony star. Which

1558
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: is funny because oeb has actual like more power.

1559
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 3: He's like, no, no, no, but no no, I don't.

1560
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 5: Want the power. I want the show of power.

1561
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: But anyway, proceed with your with your analysis here, right.

1562
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 4: So even the Trump orbit, which is the most quid

1563
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 4: pro quo that Trump sat down with the oil industry

1564
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 4: and said, give me a billion dollars and I will

1565
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 4: and then tell me what you want, like the most

1566
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 4: like explicit quid pro quo you can imagine. Uh, even

1567
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 4: they were like, whoa, this is a little bit much

1568
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 4: from RFK Junior. Here there's also the question why this

1569
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 4: is being leaked at this moment?

1570
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 5: What do you make of that?

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01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know. Actually, well, because who does it

1572
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 4: benefit for this to leak? It doesn't Maybe it benefits

1573
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 4: Trump a little bit, but Trump wants I mean, Trump

1574
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 4: wants rfk's supporters to support him, right, and so maybe

1575
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 4: they're annoyed that he leaked that audio for sure, So

1576
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 4: maybe this is a way of undercutting RFK Junior with

1577
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 4: people who would be sympathetic to the Trump campaign.

1578
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.

1579
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: It is interesting how this came about and does come

1580
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: on the heels. So we didn't actually get to cover

1581
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: it on the show because there was just so much

1582
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: else going on.

1583
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 5: But you guys probably.

1584
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: Saw there was a call between Trump and RFK Junior

1585
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: shortly after the assassination attempt, and the audio of that

1586
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: call got leaked in which you know, effectively Trump is

1587
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: looking for an endorsement and they don't really you know,

1588
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: come to conclusion there, and I think it was RFK

1589
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: Junior's son who leaked the call. R K Junior apologize

1590
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: for it, so we know we already knew that there

1591
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: was this communication unfolding between them. But you know the

1592
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: other thing in terms of RFK Junior is I wonder

1593
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: if he I wonder if he is concerned that now

1594
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 1: that you don't have Joe Biden on the ticket, that

1595
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: the appetite for third party may be reduced because some

1596
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: significant number of his some number of his supporters were

1597
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: people who were just disgusted with both choices, and a

1598
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: big part of obviously the problem with people out with

1599
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is just his age. So now that you

1600
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: have someone new there, there's less just total you know,

1601
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: loathing and contempt for the matchup going forward. And you

1602
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: also have Trump's you know, on his.

1603
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 5: Side of the ticket.

1604
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of energy and excitement around him on

1605
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: the Republican side and after the assassination attempt, et cetera.

1606
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 1: So he may also be sensing that the very clear

1607
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: and I think very compelling to a lot of people

1608
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 1: pitched that he previously had some of that juice may

1609
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: be fading at this point, and so he's kind of

1610
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: looking for an out.

1611
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the RFK Junior constituency largely gets his news

1612
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 4: from YouTube and podcasts and independent media because he's been

1613
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:14,480
Speaker 4: blanked out of mainstream media so much. That also overlaps

1614
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 4: somewhat significantly with the Trump's potential support.

1615
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 3: Young men men in general who.

1616
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 4: Are disaffected by politics and so with Democrats no longer

1617
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 4: running such a repellent candidate in Biden, it does seem

1618
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 4: like the third party now is more of a threat

1619
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 4: to Trump than to Democrats.

1620
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: Well, to answer your question about who this story benefits,

1621
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,919
Speaker 1: it's definitely Democrats because I mean Lismith's shared it because

1622
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: it paints him as, oh, this is someone who would

1623
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: be in a Trump administration, right, this is more of

1624
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: a Trumpian figure.

1625
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 5: He's not on our side.

1626
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: And obviously that's the point Liz Smith has been trying

1627
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: to make, you know, tying in whoever his donors are,

1628
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: and these donors who gave your Republicans and here's his

1629
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: views that code right wing. And you know, there's been

1630
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: the game being played on the other side, from the

1631
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: Trump side. They're trying to code him as all he

1632
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 1: supports all this environmentalist stuff and he's a radical left

1633
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: winger and here he supported Hillary Clinton, etcetera, etcetera. There's

1634
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: been this war over what his true partisan valance, how

1635
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: he really codes. And so the people this really benefits

1636
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: are Democrats who want to code him as, you know, as.

1637
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 5: A Trumpian figure.

1638
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: You know, if you're RFK Junior and you're looking at

1639
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: just pragmatically where you stand and where things are heading.

1640
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 1: It makes sense as a move because the Harris administration

1641
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: is not going to have you in any accountant because like,

1642
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: that's just not happening. You could imagine them taking him

1643
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,959
Speaker 1: in exchange for an endorsement. Like, I'm actually kind of surprised.

1644
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: To me, the most surprising part about this is that

1645
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: they said no, that it was too naked, and they

1646
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: had qualms about it, and they were like, eh, this

1647
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: is a little bit uncovered. That's to me the most

1648
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: surprising part of this because on any other level, this

1649
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense for him. It makes a

1650
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: lot of sense for Trump, you know, getting the endorsement,

1651
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: and they could put him and whatever, you know, meaningless

1652
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: non important administration position and sort of bury him and

1653
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: have him not be that significant but get what they

1654
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: want out of the exchange. So to me, that's the

1655
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: most surprising piece of it.

1656
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and your point makes me wonder like how this happened,

1657
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 4: because you're right, this does benefit Democrats. So why would

1658
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 4: the Trump campaign leak this? I mean, maybe maybe they

1659
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 4: were just drunk at a bar and the reporter has

1660
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 4: just got the story like that. Can that can happen sometimes.

1661
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 4: I also don't think the entire concept should be even stigmatized.

1662
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 4: It's like, if Kennedy really does like Trump, and Trump

1663
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,799
Speaker 4: likes Kennedy and Kent and wants Kennedy in his administration, right, thinks.

1664
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 5: There's a fit as HHS secretary or whatever.

1665
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 4: I think they're a fit, and then he wants and

1666
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 4: Kennedy wants to endorse him in exchange for being HHS secretary.

1667
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 4: Should just be public about it, say, Kenny Kennedy is

1668
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,480
Speaker 4: endorsing me, and I'm going to name him HHS secretary

1669
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 4: and if you like that, you should vote for us.

1670
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 4: Like that actually seems totally clean to me.

1671
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, because Kenny, it's.

1672
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 4: Not like Kenny trying to make money off of it,

1673
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 4: Like you know, he's married to an actress that's got

1674
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 4: real money and he's a Kennedy like he's doing okay, Yeah.

1675
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 3: He's fine.

1676
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants to maintain his political relevance and you know,

1677
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: pursue the issues that he really cares about, and the

1678
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,799
Speaker 1: Trump administration is more likely vehicle for that continuing political

1679
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: relevance than you know, him remaining out on his own.

1680
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: As I said before, there's no way, and how that

1681
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: Harris administration would take him in any capacity. So the

1682
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: chain of events is all very logical, and it is

1683
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: sort of funny that it's being spun as conspiratorial or

1684
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: I guess the problem for RK. Junior is he still

1685
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: wants to convince his supporters that, yeah, vote for me,

1686
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: and I'm in it till the end. And I don't

1687
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: like either of these, you know, By or Trump. I

1688
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: want to take away from both of them. We have

1689
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: a real path to victory. I mean, that's part of

1690
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: his real point. And we're going to meet on the ballots,

1691
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna win. Here's the path, et cetera. And so

1692
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: it really undercuts that narrative for him to have this

1693
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: out in the public that he's basically looking for an out.

1694
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it also goes against what we were told

1695
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 4: from people that were close to RFKA Junior in the

1696
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 4: beginning of this campaign, was that he that he wasn't

1697
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 4: going to go too far in supporting Trump because he

1698
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 4: wanted to maintain his social connections that he's built up

1699
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 4: throughout his life and his and his wife's social connections

1700
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 4: in the kind of in that California liberal universe, this

1701
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 4: seems like just going full.

1702
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 3: Break from that.

1703
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean I think in a lot of

1704
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: ways he already has, because like his family has in

1705
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: particular come out very publicly.

1706
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 3: Thinking he could do both was an error.

1707
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 5: There was no way that that was going to be possible.

1708
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 3: There's not a chance.

1709
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 4: There's a huber intent and arrogance to a lot of

1710
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 4: people that they think they can do things that are

1711
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 4: actually impossible.

1712
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 7: Yep.

1713
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 5: So there you go, all right.

1714
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 1: We wanted to take a look at Kala Harris's record

1715
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: such as it is, what we could glean about what

1716
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: a potential Harris would actually look like. You know, we

1717
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: read the tee Le's a little bit earlier about what

1718
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: she said with regard to Israel and Gaza. We wanted

1719
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: to bring in Jeff Stein, who, as you guys know,

1720
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: is fantastic economics reporter for the Washington Post, who's been

1721
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: taking a look at that record and what it is

1722
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 1: we can say and what we really don't know, which

1723
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: is most of all big question marks about what Kamala

1724
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: Harris might actually prioritize.

1725
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and get to that interview.

1726
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 4: Well Wall Street or at least Big Tech, or at

1727
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 4: least Jim Kramer is salivating at the possibility of a

1728
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris administration. We're going to talk to watch Post

1729
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 4: Jeff Stein about that in one moment. First, want to

1730
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 4: play a little clip from CNBC Jim Kramer le let's

1731
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,839
Speaker 4: take a look at his reaction to Kamala's rise.

1732
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 14: A few weeks here.

1733
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 3: Jim, these are very different people.

1734
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 18: Biden has been and remains unsophisticated about the way business works,

1735
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 18: specificated about the stock market by niature, picks people who

1736
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 18: have been historically bad for Wall Street, and you know Kahn,

1737
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Speaker 18: Jockie Canner, anti trust. That ends, that ends entirely. You've

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01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 18: got a person who's from California. I'm regarding this actually

1739
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 18: as mega versus Mega mega. Tech does better with someone

1740
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 18: who's sophisticated, who understands California, who is not against tech.

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01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 18: Biden has done everything in these agencies that he can

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01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 18: to annoy to go after Tech.

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01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 3: Let's never forget her brother in.

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01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 18: Law is Tony West, who is a former General Council

1745
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 18: of PepsiCo that was with the Justice Department, is now the.

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01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 3: General Council Uber.

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Speaker 18: And you tell me if there's someone who's more sophisticated

1748
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 18: and knows more about business and the West Coast than

1749
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 18: her brother in law, who would be an amazing advisor.

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01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 18: They're close, and I just keep thinking this is going

1751
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 18: to be globalist versus nativists, not nationalist. Nativist, yes, populist

1752
01:27:55,400 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 18: in terms of the Republican Party versus pro versus the

1753
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 18: Democrat international business. These are very big differences. And I

1754
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 18: have followed her career and followed Biden's career, and if

1755
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 18: anybody Biden didn't hurt the stock market at all, it

1756
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 18: is pretty amazing how well bidenministration stuff. But this whole

1757
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 18: idea that she's a clone of his is completely.

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Speaker 3: Wrong, all right.

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Speaker 4: Jeff Stein from the Washington Post, joning us Dowta, says, Jeff,

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01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 4: thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I always glad to be on. Thanks.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot to tease, apart when it comes

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01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 4: to Kamala Harris's economic record, But let's start here with

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01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 4: anti trust. You've got Jim Kramer of CNBC, who, luckily

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01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 4: for us, perhaps is almost always wrong about everything.

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Speaker 5: Two ways you can read those.

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Speaker 4: So he's forecasting that if Harris were re elected, that

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01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 4: he would fire Lena Coon. The FTC Chair and Fire

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01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 4: Jonathan Cantor, who runs the Anti Trust Division in the

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01:28:55,479 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 4: Department of Justice, big folks of big business. He's not

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01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 4: basing that on on any facts. He's he's asserting it,

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Speaker 4: but he's asserting it based on the connections that she

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01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 4: has and the and the kind of ideas that she's

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01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 4: put for before. So it's not completely idle speculation or

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01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 4: absurd at all. So starting on anti trust and then

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01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 4: we can move on to other things. You know, what,

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Speaker 4: what is your read on where Kamala Harris is on

1778
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 4: anti trust? And do you think that some of his

1779
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 4: some Biden's best appointees, Canter and Cohn would be on

1780
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Speaker 4: her shopping block?

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Speaker 20: I mean, Jim Kramer, I know you were talking with

1782
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 20: this and you know what you just said. But he

1783
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 20: also predicted that Biden had no chance of dropping out

1784
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 20: of the race.

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Speaker 19: I think there there.

1786
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 20: Is a lot of questions and totally legitimate questions that

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Speaker 20: you're referring to. I mean, Tony West Harris's ties to

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01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,839
Speaker 20: California Silicon Valley elites, those are.

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Speaker 19: Are very real.

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Speaker 20: But I would be really surprised if a Harris presidency

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01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,839
Speaker 20: significantly retre did from the Biden anti trust policy.

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01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 19: It is true that Harris has ties to.

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Speaker 20: These elites that are you know, you would assume to

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01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 20: be dispositionally opposed to what Biden has done an anti

1795
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 20: trust you know, not just Tony West, but David Pluff

1796
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 20: is now rumored to be back in the mix. You've

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01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 20: you know, her husband is a white collar attorney, defense attorney.

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01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 19: So there there's a there is a lot there.

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Speaker 20: But I think it's worth pointing out that Ryan, you

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Speaker 20: and I were looking at the people close to President

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Speaker 20: Biden at the beginning of the administration, and there were

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01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 20: a ton of black Rock or Blackstone or you know,

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01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 20: you name it, Uber, former Uber executives Steve Vershetti and

1804
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 20: Bruce Red and Donaldlen, all these old Biden hands that

1805
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 20: seemed so fundamentally entrenched in the in the sort of

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01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 20: Clinton Knight era and the Clinton Night wing of the party,

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01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 20: people who had done welfare reformed that you know, that

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01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 20: the left and others would find highly objectionable. That then

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01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:02,719
Speaker 20: were quite a avid advoct kits of expansions of offare state.

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01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 19: Obviously those weren't approved, but.

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Speaker 20: I think it's clear that Harris, you know, is signaling

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01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 20: to the business community the business leaders I've talked to

1813
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 20: have said like, yes, we're we're trying to get better

1814
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 20: vibes from the Harrison administration, but I think it's too

1815
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 20: early to say.

1816
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 19: Unfortunately, like who's playing who here?

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01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 20: And I would not be surprised at all if Harris,

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01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 20: you know her, her record is really thin, like she

1819
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 20: hasn't had an executive position for very long, so we

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01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 20: really just don't know which way she's going to go.

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01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 20: She is also, I would say, just incredibly close with

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01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 20: the labor unions s CiU in particular. We can get

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01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 20: into that, but her political coalition for political allies is

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01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 20: it's it's complicated in the way that I think Biden's

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01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 20: were complicated, where you do have these people with really

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01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 20: corporate resumes who end up appointing people like Lena Khan,

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Speaker 20: who the anti trust community is really happy to see.

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Speaker 1: How did Lena Khan end up in that position, because

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Speaker 1: I think that tells us something about, you know, what

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Speaker 1: we might be able to expect from a Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Biden was no anti corporate lawyer. He

1832
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 1: was known as the Senator from MBNA because of his type,

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01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, relationships and willingness to do the bidding of

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01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: the credit card issuers in his home state. He had

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01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: a terrible track record on these issues, frankly, and then

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01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: when he comes into office, you get these great appointments

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01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: and a real shift. So is that reflective of just

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01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: a shift in the center of gravity on these issues?

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01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: Was it like because of ron Klain? I mean, where

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01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: where did that come from?

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Speaker 20: I guess you could get the Matt Stoler answer or

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01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 20: the Matt Bruni answer, the two schools of thought on

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01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 20: this question. The Matt Stoler answer obviously would be sort

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01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 20: of what you first alluded to, that the Democratic Party

1845
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 20: has shifted considerably enough that this was sort of an

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01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 20: important thing for buying, to fulfill to an important part

1847
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 20: of his base. I think the more cynical answer is

1848
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,959
Speaker 20: that antitrust at the levels that it's being student Washington,

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01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 20: while maybe sort of important for business formation and getting

1850
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 20: more competition in the market, is still kind of a

1851
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 20: solution that businesses want to see, right Like this is

1852
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:16,759
Speaker 20: this is the Matt Bruni answer that anti trust reform

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01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 20: and anti trust legislation is kind of popular in Washington

1854
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 20: has legs in Washington because it can be underwritten and

1855
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 20: supported by huge businesses. If you're like a second or

1856
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 20: third tier business, you're still not a worker.

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01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 19: You know, you're still not someone who needs welfare benefits.

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01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 20: You're actually often a very powerful entity, not someone we

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01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 20: would think of as sort of a vulnerable, disempowered citizen.

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01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,799
Speaker 20: And so in Washington there is a ton of money

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01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 20: behind the anti trust community, which I think is counterintuitive

1862
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 20: to people on the left who may think of anti

1863
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 20: trust and may be right that anti trust is this

1864
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 20: important anti monopoly tool by it really going back to

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Speaker 20: the early nineteen hundreds.

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Speaker 19: It's also been.

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Speaker 20: Successful in part because there are powerful business and interest

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01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 20: behind who want to have more competition, who want to

1869
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 20: themselves grow their market share. But that doesn't mean that

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01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 20: they're necessarily small moment shops. It couldn't just mean that

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01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:15,959
Speaker 20: they're not the biggest players. So I think Harris's legacy

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01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 20: or sort of what she would do on this is

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01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 20: very interesting. I mean, I think it's quite clear that

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01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 20: Donald Trump would be a lot worse on anti trust

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01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 20: issues had his regulatory appointments to the FTC and elsewhere

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01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 20: showed very little interest without with with with the important

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01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 20: exception I think of tech, where you saw some actions

1878
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 20: on Google and some other big firms that Republicans and

1879
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 20: Conservatives things that aren't discriminating against them, other than that

1880
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 20: Trump had really took a light touch with, you know,

1881
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 20: regulatoration and regulation in general, including on untie trust.

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01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 4: And the other layer of an answer to that question

1883
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 4: on a tactical level is that Elizabeth Warren made it

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01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:53,560
Speaker 4: a huge priority of hers to get Lena Khan and

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01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 4: Jonathan Canter into those positions, and there was there was

1886
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 4: also a kind of parallel campaign in Washington that was

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01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 4: I think orchestrated by a lot of the people that

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01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 4: you're talking about to basically eliminate all of the other

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01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 4: competition for the job. And they were easy to eliminate.

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01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 4: And we did a bunch of reporting on each one

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01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 4: of these candidates that was floated to be either FTC

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01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 4: chair or anti trust anti trust share basically at the

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01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:25,839
Speaker 4: Department of Justice, and pointed out all of their conflicts

1894
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 4: of interest with big tech.

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01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 3: Like so, the big big tech and.

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01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 4: Other big business elements that wanted kind of pro trust

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01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 4: candidates to get through had the problem that all of

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01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 4: the lawyers that they wanted in that position had done

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01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 4: very recent work with very unpopular monopolies, and all you

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01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 4: had to do was kind of point out that they

1901
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 4: had done this work and then they would be kind

1902
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 4: of taken off the list. And if you notice, they

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01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 4: were Canter and con were among the latest kind of

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01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 4: appointments made. So it wasn't as if Biden kind of

1905
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 4: leaped at the opportunity to fulfill this play. He tried,

1906
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 4: He kind of tried to do everything else first and

1907
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 4: wasn't able to and then finally was like, you know what,

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01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 4: all right, these these are the two left standing, and

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01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 4: Elizabeth Warren really wants this to happen, and there's this whole,

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01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 4: like you said, or you know, organized movement that is

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Speaker 4: well funded behind it.

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Speaker 3: So let's let's go ahead and do that.

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01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 4: So that to me suggests I'm curious for your take

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Speaker 4: on this that the same thing could happen in a

1915
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris administration. That and we can put we can

1916
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 4: put up this Lee Leefong element in this next element here,

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01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 4: because this goes to this exact point. She doesn't really

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01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 4: have much of an ideology, youah, she has, she has,

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01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 4: as as Leefon points out, she's been a tough on

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01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 4: crime prosecutor. She's been a criminal justice reformer. She's been

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01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:44,719
Speaker 4: tough on the banks, she's been uh, she's been weak

1922
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 4: on the banks, like whatever is like opportunite At the moment,

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01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 4: she's she's willing to do so. I think with the

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01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 4: right pressure campaign, you could imagine that she could be

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01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 4: dragged in the same position Biden was dragged to what

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01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 4: what's your sense?

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01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 20: I really like that framed the lead piece, and I

1928
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 20: have been trying to figure out what the hell I'm

1929
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 20: going to write this week.

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Speaker 19: So I think that.

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Speaker 20: The moment where it's like you have Marxist academics being

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01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 20: like sharing coconut memes and being like, actually, maybe because

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Speaker 20: of her dad and her mom or whatever, that there's

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01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 20: like latent Marxist tendencies. And then Mark Cuban is telling

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Speaker 20: Politico like, we have an ally here, and there's this

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Speaker 20: like moment of good vibes among Democrats, and that seems

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01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 20: to have like filtered out to the even like the

1938
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 20: not the blue mag of oyalist types like people on

1939
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 20: the left and right of the party are sort of

1940
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 20: after all the depression that people on the left felt

1941
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 20: with the Biden era and his verbal lapses, there's now

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01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 20: this moment where like people are hoping that there's some change,

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01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 20: that that Harris represents what they want to see. And

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01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 20: I think the reality of politics not to be like

1945
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:54,679
Speaker 20: too big of a bummer for people who are hoping

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01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 20: to see in her something different. The reality of politics

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01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 20: is that all these people can't be right. You know,

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01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 20: at some point the unions or the business community is

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01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 20: going to be disappointed. How long she can do this

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Speaker 20: thing where she's sort of allowing people to see in

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Speaker 20: her what they want to see. I guess, well, we'll

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Speaker 20: have to wait. I mean, I get the sense. I

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Speaker 20: would say. The one thing that I have felt pretty

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Speaker 20: strongly about from my reporting is that she does seem

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Speaker 20: to care quite deeply about what we would call like the.

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Speaker 19: Care economy set of issues.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if we want to get into this,

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Speaker 5: but yeah, Payton.

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Speaker 20: Leave, childcare, elver care, home care, these are things that

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Speaker 20: you know, the Biden administration tried to pass. It failed

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Speaker 20: as part of the build Back that Are agenda due

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Speaker 20: to Joe Manchin and Kirsten Cinema. But what is interesting

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Speaker 20: to me about that is that Harris, as a black woman,

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Speaker 20: has formed for decades a very very close political alliance

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Speaker 20: with the kind of unions that Biden has traditionally been

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Speaker 20: weaker among, including sort of the service worker unions which

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Speaker 20: are more heavily composed of immigrants and people of color

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Speaker 20: and women in particular, belt to the building trades in

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Speaker 20: the Midwest that you see particularly, you know, the National

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Speaker 20: American Building Trades Union and the Teamsters, like those kinds

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Speaker 20: of unions that are sort of doing construction and manufacturing.

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Speaker 20: Biden had a very strong ind with them. It's not

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Speaker 20: clear if Harris is that strong, but it seemed like

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Speaker 20: her base. But also concurrently, the policy issues space that

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Speaker 20: she's very invested in, very interested in taking up again.

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Speaker 20: Who knows, maybe she gets into office and does something

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Speaker 20: completely different, but the reporting I've done suggest that she

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Speaker 20: has deeply invested in that set of issues, and she

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Speaker 20: spent a lot of time talking to caregivers, talking to

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Speaker 20: SCIU representatives, talking to the people who would benefit from

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Speaker 20: those kinds of investments that were a noticeable failure in

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Speaker 20: the first Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: And so does it follow then that you would expect

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Speaker 1: a sort of similar orientation of like the National Labor

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Speaker 1: Relations Board under Kamala Harris? Has she been consistent because

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Speaker 1: part of what Lee Funk's piece brings out is a

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Speaker 1: lot of times when she was elected and you know,

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Speaker 1: statewide in California or prosecute DA in California, she was

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Speaker 1: more conservative, more on the right, and then she reforms

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Speaker 1: herself in the sense and she reforms herself again to

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Speaker 1: be more progressive because she thinks that's the lane that's

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Speaker 1: open to her in the twenty twenty primary. So a

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Speaker 1: lot of what you think of Kamala Harris depends on

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Speaker 1: what era of her politics that you're looking at. And

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Speaker 1: as vice president, she's just sort of wholly undefined because

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Speaker 1: she's been on the ouns, you know, on the outskirts

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Speaker 1: of that administration. It's not her policy, it's a Biden policy.

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Speaker 1: You really can't say anything about her vis a VI

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Speaker 1: what she has done with Joe Biden. But you know,

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Speaker 1: do you see a consistent thread from the California time

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Speaker 1: to the Senate time to the presidential time in terms

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Speaker 1: of her support for labor.

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Speaker 20: Yes, I think she has clearly from very early on cultivated.

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Speaker 19: That set of unions.

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Speaker 20: And you know, I don't know if that's suggest that

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Speaker 20: she'll be good on criminal justice reform from a left

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Speaker 20: perspective or foreign policy, But I do think I feel

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Speaker 20: very convinced that that, particularly for the service worker, she's

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Speaker 20: quite dug in on doing what it takes to help them,

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Speaker 20: as they've helped her move up not just to the

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Speaker 20: vice presidency, but you know, in earlier stages of her career,

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Speaker 20: when she was running for office in California. I will

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Speaker 20: just say, on this broader topic we're discussing, you know,

2014
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Speaker 20: I'm torn right because part of me feels like Biden,

2015
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Speaker 20: you know, had all of these votes that you know,

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Speaker 20: your listeners and the viewers will be familiar with, you know,

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Speaker 20: for the Iraq War and to deregulate Wall Street, and

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Speaker 20: to you guys have lists.

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Speaker 19: Credit card and student debt changes.

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Speaker 20: That made it more difficult for people to decline bankruptcy

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Speaker 20: and just discharge their debt. All these changes that suggest

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Speaker 20: that Biden was really on the corporate wing of the party.

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Speaker 20: And then in office he did a lot of things

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Speaker 20: I think we all recognized were more left wing than

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Speaker 20: we were expecting. Three hundred billion dollars in student debt

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Speaker 20: forgiveness obviously struck down by the courts, but they I

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Speaker 20: think they spared to say that they've continued fighting for

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Speaker 20: that Obviously there's a lot of frustration with Gaza, and.

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Speaker 19: You know, criticism of Biden over that.

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Speaker 20: But Biden, at least, I think, in part because he

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Speaker 20: was so centrist in disposition, an old white man who

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Speaker 20: people saw as a centrist, was kind of able to

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Speaker 20: make things that otherwise would seem more liberal, give them

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Speaker 20: sort of a centrist vineir like like the mightas touch

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Speaker 20: where things became centrist when Biden did them.

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Speaker 19: I know a people disagree with that, but I think

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Speaker 19: there's something to it.

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Speaker 20: And I wonder if Harris's could have the opposite thing

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Speaker 20: the thing we saw in Obama, where because her because

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Speaker 20: she's a black woman, because of her identity, and because

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Speaker 20: her political fear is not the same as Biden. It's

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Speaker 20: been so afraid of losing the progressive base that he

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Speaker 20: was very solicitous of them. If Harris's identity sort of

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Speaker 20: reduces the need for her politically to assure that part

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Speaker 20: of the party, maybe she will tax center in her

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Speaker 20: policy implementation and disposition.

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Speaker 19: I'm not sure what you guys think of that thought.

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Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, it's probably true that.

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Speaker 4: Centrist policies from her will be coded as left wing

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Speaker 4: like they were under Obama and Biden can push you know,

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Speaker 4: pretty far to the left end of the possible spectrum

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Speaker 4: from what a president can do and still be coded

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Speaker 4: centrist because he's Biden. I think that's I think that's

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Speaker 4: a kind of irrefutable point, and it doesn't doesn't bode

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Speaker 4: well for her ability to kind of govern. Unlikely she'll

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Speaker 4: have a Congress to do much of that with, so

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Speaker 4: maybe that won't be a problem for anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's true, but of course there's still plenty

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Speaker 1: that can be done at the executive level, and as

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Speaker 1: Lena Conna Jonathan Canter are shown with the appointments mattering

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. Jeff Sign always great to have your

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Speaker 1: insights and your reporting. It's astonishing, honestly, how many years

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Speaker 1: has Kamala Harris been in public office that we can

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Speaker 1: We can't answer really the most basic questions about who

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Speaker 1: she is. And I think it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: how she positions herself because it'll answer some of these questions.

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Speaker 5: Is about whether it.

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Speaker 1: Is about the person and their ideology or how they're

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Speaker 1: perceived and how much bandwidth that gives them to do

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Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote liberal things, or is it that

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Speaker 1: there's a different moment that is truly moving past the

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Speaker 1: you know, Reagan, Clinton, Obama neoliberal era where it's just

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Speaker 1: you stick any normy democrat in there and they're going

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Speaker 1: to be pro antitrust and they're going to be pro labor,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. So it'll be fascinating to watch how all

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Speaker 1: of sunfis.

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Speaker 4: I'd edit that to say we do have an answer

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Speaker 4: the question, we do know who she is, just not

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Speaker 4: a satisfying answer.

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Speaker 3: She's just a politician who's going to do what can

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Speaker 3: meaning is like beneficial that day, true.

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Speaker 1: Very true, Jeff, Thank you so much, So great to see.

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Speaker 19: You and my pleasure.

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Speaker 14: Guys.

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Speaker 5: Thanks again, Yeah, our pleasure.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, thank you so much for watching. Ryan

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Speaker 1: and Emily will be here for a fantastic counterpoints tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and Sager will be back on Thursday. So our lung

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Speaker 1: awaited soccer reaction to all of the events of this

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Speaker 1: way I'm going to watch. I'm sure no one is

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Speaker 1: more excited about being back here to share all of

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Speaker 1: his thoughts on SAGERA. So so, Ryan will see you

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Speaker 1: tomorrow and I will see you on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Bye, y'all, see you guys tomorrow.

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