WEBVTT - Dodgers Postmortem: Where Do They Go From Here? Surgery for Shohei? 0:00:00.130 --> 0:00:02.170 I don't want to diminish anything the Brewers did. They 0:00:02.190 --> 0:00:04.580 did everything that they were supposed to do. They completely 0:00:04.740 --> 0:00:07.680 outplayed the Dodgers. The Dodgers, on the other hand, also 0:00:07.750 --> 0:00:08.469 beat themselves. 0:00:21.260 --> 0:00:26.120 Hello, everybody, and welcome to a live episode of Dodgers Territory. 0:00:26.290 --> 0:00:29.490 It is a special edition, the post-mortem episode, if you will, 0:00:29.650 --> 0:00:32.870 of DT, Alana Rizzo, Katie Wu. Clint, see us with 0:00:32.890 --> 0:00:35.229 you as we have been all season long. First and foremost, 0:00:35.250 --> 0:00:37.870 to you guys listening and watching, thank you. Thank you 0:00:37.890 --> 0:00:40.530 for being with us along this ride. We appreciate it 0:00:40.550 --> 0:00:43.589 very much. So much to get to about where the 0:00:43.630 --> 0:00:50.790 Dodgers go from here. Let's get to the big ticket. Katie, 0:00:50.870 --> 0:00:52.510 good to have you back. Obviously, we know that you've 0:00:52.530 --> 0:00:55.350 been in the clubhouse, at the games, traveling, all of 0:00:55.410 --> 0:00:57.940 the things, but I would like to get your perspective first. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.680 I guess if they're going to lose, lose quickly. I mean, 0:01:00.780 --> 0:01:03.120 I think a lot of us can appreciate how good 0:01:03.140 --> 0:01:04.900 the Brewers team is. I don't know that any of 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.560 us expected a sweep. What was your overall assessment of 0:01:08.620 --> 0:01:10.039 how this NLCS went down? 0:01:11.569 --> 0:01:14.500 Yeah, well, I think we've all dressed accordingly, like, for 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.220 a wake, back in our all-black attire, because the 2026 0:01:17.220 --> 0:01:20.260 Dodgers season, the dreams of a three-peat, all that jazz, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:21.380 officially over. 0:01:22.740 --> 0:01:24.360 As we pour one out for our homies. 0:01:24.980 --> 0:01:25.220 Yeah. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:27.190 All right, well. 0:01:27.209 --> 0:01:28.770 Cheers. Cheers, gang. 0:01:28.830 --> 0:01:29.149 Cheers. 0:01:29.550 --> 0:01:29.770 Cheers. 0:01:31.730 --> 0:01:36.179 So let's get into my obvious professional insight. When watching 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.590 the Dodgers, I don't want to diminish anything the Brewers did. 0:01:39.709 --> 0:01:42.950 They won 103 games. They are, to me, the most 0:01:43.030 --> 0:01:45.750 dangerous team of the postseason. They're playing hot. They rallied. 0:01:45.770 --> 0:01:47.710 They did everything that they were supposed to do. They 0:01:47.750 --> 0:01:51.310 completely outplayed the Dodgers. The Dodgers, on the other hand, 0:01:51.530 --> 0:01:59.590 also beat themselves. I a batting average under 200 collectively, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.279 outside of Kyle Tucker, who ironically had the best postseason 0:02:03.300 --> 0:02:07.620 for the Dodgers. The collective team OPS was under 600. 0:02:07.620 --> 0:02:09.500 You just can't win like that. And think about how 0:02:09.540 --> 0:02:11.580 many times the Dodgers would get a lead runner on 0:02:11.980 --> 0:02:13.639 and fail to score. I think the way that they 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.020 lost in game four, where they got up early and 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.250 then let the Brewers... chip away at the lead and 0:02:18.290 --> 0:02:20.089 weren't able to tack on they got a runner to 0:02:20.230 --> 0:02:22.570 third and the seventh and eighth and still couldn't score 0:02:23.010 --> 0:02:25.770 they did not do the little things right it resulted 0:02:25.810 --> 0:02:29.030 in an early exit the brewers outplayed them and the 0:02:29.070 --> 0:02:32.190 dodgers played themselves and played themselves right out of their 0:02:32.290 --> 0:02:33.650 their quest for a three p. 0:02:34.030 --> 0:02:36.090 Yeah if i could follow on this for a second 0:02:36.570 --> 0:02:39.160 a lot of Things we said last night are a 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.120 lot of clips that went out, particularly the last two 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.900 postgame shows. Obviously, I had some critique of Dave Roberts, 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.480 some critique of the decisions. I need to make sure 0:02:48.500 --> 0:02:51.750 that everybody understands. I don't think Dave Roberts and any 0:02:51.790 --> 0:02:54.610 of these decisions lost the Dodgers, the World Series. If 0:02:54.630 --> 0:02:57.709 you watch the entirety of these shows and not just 0:02:57.770 --> 0:03:01.190 what they package to you on social media sometimes, you 0:03:02.430 --> 0:03:04.940 would know that I believe the Brewers were the better team. 0:03:05.210 --> 0:03:07.850 The Dodgers got beat. All the players were saying the 0:03:07.889 --> 0:03:09.609 same thing. Yeah, some of them had a few more 0:03:09.669 --> 0:03:11.950 tears in their eyes. Some of them were a little 0:03:11.990 --> 0:03:14.530 more upset about it. Dave seemed like, yeah, you know what? 0:03:14.810 --> 0:03:17.799 We got our asses handed to us in that series. 0:03:17.860 --> 0:03:20.160 And this is wild, guys. 0:03:20.180 --> 0:03:22.079 I don't know if you happen to see this stat 0:03:22.139 --> 0:03:26.299 from this Jay Kuda character on the internet who finds 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:27.919 numbers and does things with them, but. 0:03:28.500 --> 0:03:31.139 Oh, my God. That's crazy. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.160 The 25 NLCS Dodgers four wins over 149 plate appearances, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:40.010 128 at-bats. They had the 32 hits, hit 250, 347 0:03:40.010 --> 0:03:44.050 on base. The Brewers did the exact same thing. 0:03:44.190 --> 0:03:44.890 Are we sure? 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.460 Listen, it's on the internet. It has to be true. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:54.970 I don't know. Somebody asked Rick Krajewski to fact check that. 0:03:55.030 --> 0:03:56.850 That's insanity, you guys. 0:03:56.930 --> 0:03:57.650 Yeah. 0:03:57.690 --> 0:03:58.830 Get the doctor on the line. 0:03:58.850 --> 0:04:01.750 If that is true, that is wild. 0:04:04.290 --> 0:04:05.580 Isn't he watching this show? 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:05.680 Yeah. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.120 Yeah, that's almost like too stupid, right? That can't be 0:04:11.180 --> 0:04:12.940 that exact the same. Yeah. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:13.780 But maybe it is. 0:04:15.450 --> 0:04:17.710 Well, again, I think that dude is actually pretty good 0:04:17.740 --> 0:04:19.950 at the numbers. If, you know, we were more prepared 0:04:20.010 --> 0:04:23.060 or we cared enough. It doesn't matter how they lost. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.460 We know they lost. And, again, the Brewers, they're really good. 0:04:25.500 --> 0:04:27.480 Like Alana and I said for the entirety of the series, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.080 did not see a sweep coming just the same way 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.040 you said last night, Alana. You thought they had something. 0:04:33.100 --> 0:04:36.960 I thought we all thought that Shohei hitting that homer 0:04:37.020 --> 0:04:39.040 was going to be something. But, my God, that team 0:04:39.060 --> 0:04:39.919 just kept chipping away. 0:04:41.230 --> 0:04:43.690 That's the thing. I felt like we talked about it, too. 0:04:43.830 --> 0:04:46.010 There's a bunch of stuff on the Internet, like gifs 0:04:46.070 --> 0:04:48.070 or gifs or memes or whatever the heck the kids 0:04:48.130 --> 0:04:51.490 are saying. Every time the Dodgers scored, it was like 0:04:51.510 --> 0:04:53.969 the guy came out of the casket in Milwaukee and 0:04:54.010 --> 0:04:56.430 just they're not they're always back from the dead type 0:04:56.470 --> 0:04:59.650 of situation. I give a lot of credit to the 0:04:59.690 --> 0:05:01.890 Milwaukee Brewers. And I know people are saying that, oh, 0:05:01.940 --> 0:05:04.370 we live in a bubble. We knew how good. You know, 0:05:04.410 --> 0:05:07.050 we know how good the Brewers are. You guys are stupid. 0:05:07.110 --> 0:05:09.650 Just everybody thinks LA. No, we know the Brewers are 0:05:09.670 --> 0:05:12.050 a good team. They're a 103-win team, as Katie mentioned, 0:05:12.110 --> 0:05:14.550 in the regular season. This whole narrative of David versus 0:05:14.570 --> 0:05:17.740 Goliath is tired. It kind of worked last year, and 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.860 you could see that it absolutely was the case last year. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.219 The Dodgers swept them in the NLCS, but not anymore. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.600 I mean, this is really crazy. This is a very 0:05:27.660 --> 0:05:30.400 good Brewers team. Everything went the right way. I mean, just, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.860 you know, it's kind of funny. I can understand. 0:05:34.260 --> 0:05:36.359 How people are upset by what Pat Murphy said, the 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.180 manager of the Brewers, that he was saying, you know, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:39.740 they have a bunch of Hall of Famers, we have 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.469 a bunch of gamers, and the gamers won. As a 0:05:42.510 --> 0:05:46.510 Dodger fan, you're like, shut up, man. But as every 0:05:46.589 --> 0:05:48.190 other fan, you're like, it's kind of, you know. 0:05:48.690 --> 0:05:49.430 That's true. 0:05:49.790 --> 0:05:52.690 You won 103 games, bro. You won the most games 0:05:52.750 --> 0:05:55.650 in baseball. You have a fantastic team. You swept. 0:05:56.290 --> 0:05:56.850 Yeah, no. 0:05:57.910 --> 0:06:03.830 But they were gamers, though. They chipped away. With the 0:06:03.940 --> 0:06:07.360 exception of Christian Jelic, they don't have a ton of 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.060 all-stars on that team. They don't have MVPs. They don't 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.240 have anything like the Dodgers do. They just play a 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.020 really good brand of baseball, and And how about Jake Bowers, 0:06:17.100 --> 0:06:20.820 the NLCS MVP, who almost quit baseball a few years back, 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.770 was going to quit baseball, but then his family, his 0:06:23.830 --> 0:06:25.650 wife found out she was pregnant, and he went back 0:06:25.690 --> 0:06:28.250 to play baseball just for health insurance, and he was 0:06:28.290 --> 0:06:32.890 crowned the NLCS MVP. That's why, that's just crazy. So anyway, 0:06:33.190 --> 0:06:36.030 kudos to them. This is the Dodger Territory Show, not 0:06:36.070 --> 0:06:39.690 Brew Crew Territory, our Brewers Territory. So let's get to that. 0:06:40.350 --> 0:06:42.310 Hold on, hold on. We have a follow. 0:06:42.370 --> 0:06:43.850 We have an update. 0:06:44.010 --> 0:06:44.250 Yes. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:44.820 Dr. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:50.940 Kuduski has said those numbers are confirmed. So that has happened. 0:06:51.500 --> 0:06:54.200 And we only believe numbers with all respect to Jay Kuda, 0:06:54.220 --> 0:06:56.400 of course, unless we hear from the doctor. It's not 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:57.980 real unless the doctor says so. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.860 I don't believe anything unless the doctor says that it's 0:07:01.940 --> 0:07:04.380 the case. Unless it's only when he's talking about his 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.170 Buffalo Bill fandom, then he's a little suspect. But anyway. 0:07:08.700 --> 0:07:13.220 All right. So is the dynasty over as we know it, 0:07:13.290 --> 0:07:13.770 Katie Wook? 0:07:15.390 --> 0:07:18.570 As we know it, as this core, it's going to 0:07:18.590 --> 0:07:21.810 look different. But is this dynasty done? No, not at all. 0:07:21.870 --> 0:07:24.670 This Dodgers team is built to last. I mean, most 0:07:24.790 --> 0:07:27.290 players on this team are under contract, for better or worse, 0:07:27.450 --> 0:07:31.380 for multiple seasons after 2027. They have one of the 0:07:31.420 --> 0:07:33.300 best farm systems in baseball. They have one of the 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.860 best scouting departments in baseball. They have ample resources, even 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.040 with MLB's economic picture relatively unknown with the CBA expiring. 0:07:41.700 --> 0:07:43.940 The Dodgers are no longer... It's not like they're not 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.180 going to be competitive because they lost in the NLCS 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.890 this year. When we start next season, whenever that does start, 0:07:48.910 --> 0:07:50.590 the Dodgers are going to be right atop. Same with 0:07:50.610 --> 0:07:53.910 the Brewers. Same with the Mets. All the big names 0:07:53.930 --> 0:07:56.790 that we've been talking about, despite payroll, for the good 0:07:56.890 --> 0:07:59.800 teams in baseball. So the dynasty is not over. 0:07:59.820 --> 0:07:59.890 But. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.240 The current core is going to look different. We know 0:08:03.300 --> 0:08:06.760 Miguel Rojas, Miggy Rowe retiring after a great career in 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.280 Los Angeles. Have we seen the last of Quique Hernandez 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:11.300 in a Dodgers uniform? 0:08:11.700 --> 0:08:12.220 Maybe. 0:08:12.620 --> 0:08:15.160 Will Andrew Friedman try to get this team younger on 0:08:15.180 --> 0:08:17.140 the margins? I believe it's the second straight year where 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.700 they've had the oldest position playing core in baseball. Again, 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:22.700 a lot of that core is tied up under contract, 0:08:22.740 --> 0:08:24.760 and you want them here. You don't want Mookie Betts, 0:08:24.780 --> 0:08:28.380 Freddie Freeman, Max Muncy going anywhere, but they are getting older, 0:08:28.460 --> 0:08:30.650 so how do you get younger as a group? You 0:08:30.670 --> 0:08:32.710 do it on the margins. Maybe they go back to 0:08:32.770 --> 0:08:35.209 shopping to Oscar Hernandez this offseason, try to create a 0:08:35.230 --> 0:08:38.010 route for Josue DiPaola. The team is going to look different. 0:08:38.370 --> 0:08:40.810 The core, the kind of last ride of the first 0:08:40.970 --> 0:08:43.929 phase of this dynasty, that's over. But for the Los 0:08:43.990 --> 0:08:47.010 Angeles Dodgers and Dodgers fans, they're going to keep winning baseball. 0:08:47.030 --> 0:08:50.070 They're not going to just... totally collapsed because they had 0:08:50.090 --> 0:08:51.270 a bad NLCS. 0:08:52.010 --> 0:08:54.240 I have a question about what you guys think about this, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.199 because I think it's very difficult to make a decision 0:08:58.260 --> 0:09:00.079 when you have that much emotion, good or bad. I 0:09:00.100 --> 0:09:02.719 don't think anybody should make massive life decisions when it 0:09:02.780 --> 0:09:05.580 is an emotional time. And I know that Miguel Rojas 0:09:05.620 --> 0:09:07.589 said that he is going to hang up the cleats, 0:09:07.610 --> 0:09:10.270 that he is retiring after this. I'm wondering, though, if 0:09:10.309 --> 0:09:12.510 the further away that he gets from the pain that 0:09:12.550 --> 0:09:14.980 was the NLCS, if he changes his mind at all. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.160 I know that he's going to stay in baseball, but 0:09:17.179 --> 0:09:19.219 I don't know that that would have necessarily been the 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.220 time to make that decision because I think your body 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.819 is in a little bit of shock and you're saying, 0:09:24.860 --> 0:09:26.880 all right, that's it. I can't go through this pain anymore. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.170 But I do wonder if, in fact, he changes his 0:09:29.210 --> 0:09:32.610 mind come January when people are kind of gearing up 0:09:32.650 --> 0:09:35.760 for spring training. And he decides, you know what? I mean, 0:09:35.820 --> 0:09:39.160 he's going to have to start working prior to that, obviously. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.240 But I'm interested. I'm interested to see if he actually 0:09:42.300 --> 0:09:45.459 does retire. And if he does, hell of a career. 0:09:45.540 --> 0:09:48.000 And thank you, Miguel, for your leadership and everything you've 0:09:48.020 --> 0:09:50.530 done over the course of your big league career. I 0:09:50.570 --> 0:09:52.270 know it's not the last we will see of him, 0:09:52.330 --> 0:09:53.830 but perhaps the last as a player. 0:09:54.450 --> 0:09:55.230 I think he's done. 0:09:55.490 --> 0:09:57.490 I think he fought it back and forth, but he 0:09:57.530 --> 0:09:59.250 announced it very early in the season. 0:09:59.690 --> 0:09:59.969 I'm planning. 0:10:00.270 --> 0:10:02.540 on hanging him up. And then he had a stretch 0:10:02.580 --> 0:10:04.600 where he was playing a lot better, playing at least 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.380 a little bit better. But then I think as the season, 0:10:07.420 --> 0:10:10.280 you know, trudged on, you get to play in almost 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:11.800 170 games. 0:10:14.100 --> 0:10:15.740 The body started breaking down on him again. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.380 Obviously we saw it wasn't just like the back decided 0:10:18.420 --> 0:10:21.110 to give His feet gave out from under him or 0:10:21.130 --> 0:10:23.930 slipped out from under him in that really nice play 0:10:24.700 --> 0:10:28.660 at second base in Atlanta. But those little things, the 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.800 nagging injuries, the end of the season, all that kind 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.340 of stuff, I think that's where you're like, you know what, 0:10:35.179 --> 0:10:36.829 to get it up and get it going again for 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.110 another 162 plus spring training, plus you don't really know 0:10:40.130 --> 0:10:41.930 what spring training is going to look like. You don't 0:10:41.950 --> 0:10:42.949 know what your free agency. 0:10:42.710 --> 0:10:43.349 Is going to look like. 0:10:43.850 --> 0:10:46.730 To kind of have that weighing over you, With the 0:10:46.750 --> 0:10:50.130 CBA thing, I think he means it, and he'll be around. 0:10:50.290 --> 0:10:52.360 We know he'll be around with this organization that was 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.920 part of his contract to be a part of the 0:10:54.960 --> 0:11:00.640 organization in some capacity. Hey, if he's lingering around, maybe 0:11:01.140 --> 0:11:04.370 there's a point sometime mid-next year where they need a guy. 0:11:04.990 --> 0:11:06.030 Miggy, strap him on. 0:11:06.070 --> 0:11:10.490 Just don't wear those loading, the three-peat loading cleats. I 0:11:10.510 --> 0:11:15.140 would rather you put those somewhere far in a shame corner. 0:11:15.620 --> 0:11:16.960 In your closet, please. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.610 Katie, who should the Dodgers bring back? There's a number 0:11:20.730 --> 0:11:23.449 of free agents that are going to test the free 0:11:23.490 --> 0:11:25.270 agent market, although it's going to be a weird market 0:11:25.309 --> 0:11:28.240 because of the looming CBA lockout and that type of thing, 0:11:28.250 --> 0:11:32.050 work stoppage on December 1st. Clint has a list of 0:11:32.070 --> 0:11:34.650 free agents, I believe, or we can rattle through them. 0:11:34.809 --> 0:11:37.330 Who do you think the Dodgers bring back off of 0:11:37.470 --> 0:11:40.179 the free agent list? We're talking the Blake Trinans of 0:11:40.220 --> 0:11:42.620 the world, Evan Phillips of the world, Alex Vessia of 0:11:42.660 --> 0:11:46.280 the world, Bruce Dargradarals of the world, obviously Kike. Mickey 0:11:46.300 --> 0:11:47.220 said he's retiring. 0:11:48.260 --> 0:11:48.580 Scooble. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.100 Who's back? Scooble. That's a huge one. I apologize. Yeah, Scooble. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.220 Yeah. Let me run down the list that Fabi and 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:59.280 I put together this morning. So Skubal, Phillips, Bessia, Trinan, Kike, 0:11:59.420 --> 0:12:02.930 Chris Bubich, Eric Lauer, Brewstar, Gratterall, all free agents. We'll 0:12:02.950 --> 0:12:05.250 see a few of them back on minor league deals. 0:12:05.309 --> 0:12:07.050 I'll focus on two that I think are important. The 0:12:07.150 --> 0:12:08.120 first one being Skubal. 0:12:09.540 --> 0:12:10.020 Bring him back. 0:12:10.140 --> 0:12:13.990 If you're the Dodgers, it's complicated, right? Again, because we 0:12:14.020 --> 0:12:16.490 don't know if there's going to be a salary cap 0:12:16.970 --> 0:12:19.070 placed in. We don't know what the negotiations are going 0:12:19.090 --> 0:12:21.790 to look like, how the economic model is going to change. 0:12:21.929 --> 0:12:24.630 And if there is a salary cap put in place, 0:12:24.650 --> 0:12:26.150 which I don't believe there's going to be, but that's 0:12:26.190 --> 0:12:28.890 a conversation for a separate time, there's going to be 0:12:28.910 --> 0:12:33.270 a phase-in process. But we'll put in that uncertainty, along 0:12:33.309 --> 0:12:36.550 with who Tara Schuble is represented by, Scott Boris. And 0:12:37.210 --> 0:12:40.860 you know that... The Boris Corporation is going to go 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.540 for the most money out there. And why wouldn't they? 0:12:44.700 --> 0:12:47.090 Tarek Skubal is a generational talent. He's earned this position 0:12:47.110 --> 0:12:51.719 to be in. And He rightfully understood. I completely understood why. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.400 I did not want to talk about his future yesterday. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.140 It wasn't the time. This is going to dominate storylines 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.679 until whenever we know what the economic model looks like 0:12:58.740 --> 0:13:00.979 next year. I firmly expect the Dodgers to be in 0:13:01.020 --> 0:13:03.700 play for Scooble, though. Whether or not Scooble signs with 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.559 the team before the December 1st lockout is supposed to 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.719 begin or after, no one can say. I think it 0:13:09.740 --> 0:13:11.480 just depends on what teams are willing to do. I 0:13:11.620 --> 0:13:13.660 would expect the Mets to be in the market for sure. 0:13:14.380 --> 0:13:17.150 And the normal heavy hitters here. But I think the Dodgers, 0:13:17.190 --> 0:13:20.490 when you think about, yes, they have Yamamoto, Snell, Glass 0:13:20.530 --> 0:13:23.790 under contract, Roque. Shohei says he wants to pitch. We'll 0:13:23.809 --> 0:13:26.530 get back to that later in the show. And they 0:13:26.570 --> 0:13:30.040 have so much depth in their system. They traded for 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:31.960 him for a reason. Because they believed he was their 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.900 best possible chance of increasing their odds to win the 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:34.400 World Series. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:35.439 It didn't work. 0:13:35.940 --> 0:13:38.620 But that doesn't take away why they wanted him. And 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.030 Scooble fits so seamlessly in this Dodgers clubhouse. I think 0:13:42.050 --> 0:13:44.090 they're going to try everything they can to bring him back. 0:13:44.290 --> 0:13:46.449 Another guy that I think is going to come back 0:13:46.530 --> 0:13:49.160 or they should bring back, much more underrated, but very 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.300 much the heart and soul of this Dodgers bullpen was 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.740 Alex Vecchia. And I can't imagine a world where he 0:13:54.780 --> 0:13:57.199 does not come back in some way as a Dodger. 0:13:57.220 --> 0:13:59.210 This is just my speculation here, but I think they're 0:13:59.250 --> 0:14:00.650 going to prioritize that. I think that's going to be 0:14:00.670 --> 0:14:03.230 relatively easy to get done. You could probably say the 0:14:03.270 --> 0:14:05.710 same about Evan Phillips. I'm not sure it's to that 0:14:05.770 --> 0:14:08.270 degree as Vessia, but that is a guy who he's, 0:14:08.350 --> 0:14:10.809 he might not be your high leverage closer, your Diaz 0:14:10.850 --> 0:14:12.990 or your Tanner Scott, but Dodger fans know exactly how 0:14:13.030 --> 0:14:15.720 much Alex Vessia means to this team. And Evan Phillips 0:14:15.740 --> 0:14:18.219 just kind of slightly under that there too. So priority 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.740 1A for me, Scooble, 1B, Vessia. 0:14:21.620 --> 0:14:24.720 Yeah, I think my high leverage honey bun, Evan Phillips, 0:14:25.060 --> 0:14:27.740 will be back. I think we will see Alex Vessia 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:29.840 back as well. I think just the fit makes a 0:14:29.860 --> 0:14:32.979 lot of sense for all sides there. On the starting 0:14:33.020 --> 0:14:35.140 pitching front, you mentioned a few of the big names there. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:40.140 Mix in Rebleski, of course, Emmett Sheehan, Gavin Stone coming back, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.520 hopefully knock on desk from the injury. But there's just, 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.620 with the uncertainty of that CBA and how much things 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.590 can change, I even if it is Scott Boris that 0:14:52.670 --> 0:14:55.790 is calling the shots for Tarek Skubal, if he is 0:14:55.850 --> 0:15:00.780 not signed before the lockout, I would be absolutely shocked. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.900 That's not too much to add to that. Will it 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.480 be the Dodgers? I think he liked a lot of 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.040 things here. I think there's a lot of fit. But also, 0:15:10.460 --> 0:15:12.220 at some point, the Dodgers need to try to trim 0:15:12.260 --> 0:15:14.620 some payroll and open some doors for some of those 0:15:14.660 --> 0:15:18.820 younger players. But I think when you're looking at– The 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.680 difference between a Tarek Skubal and an Emmett Sheehan, with 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.330 all due respect, or a Tarek Skubal and all-star Justin Robleski, 0:15:26.620 --> 0:15:29.370 with all due respect, to be able to insert another 0:15:29.730 --> 0:15:34.770 top-of-the-rotation guy in your starting rotation for whatever it may be, six, 0:15:35.030 --> 0:15:38.130 seven years, you're going to try to do everything you 0:15:38.170 --> 0:15:40.030 can because it might be the last time you could 0:15:40.050 --> 0:15:41.290 flex that financial muscle. 0:15:41.570 --> 0:15:42.160 Last thing I'll say. 0:15:42.170 --> 0:15:42.290 Yeah. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:46.360 The Mark Walter situation might play a bigger role. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.540 That's what I was going to ask you. And I 0:15:48.570 --> 0:15:50.230 wanted to ask Katie about this, too. Both of you, 0:15:50.250 --> 0:15:52.550 I want your opinion on this. First of all, you say, 0:15:52.690 --> 0:15:55.650 you know, no disrespect to Emmett Sheehan and Justin Robleski. 0:15:56.230 --> 0:15:59.070 They're not even in the same atmosphere, okay? So I 0:15:59.090 --> 0:16:01.670 don't think anybody thinks that Tarek Skubal and Emmett Sheehan 0:16:01.710 --> 0:16:06.270 and Alex and Emmett Sheehan and what's his face? Justin Robleski, 0:16:06.510 --> 0:16:09.830 friend of the show. Love you, Robo. are even in 0:16:09.870 --> 0:16:12.930 the same planet when it comes to salaries and contracts 0:16:12.980 --> 0:16:15.080 and those types of things. All have their role, just 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.300 very different. But my question to you, with the looming CBA, Katie, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.840 on December 1st, the lockout, and the situation that apparently 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:27.020 the fire that apparently Dodger principal owner Mark Walter is under, 0:16:27.340 --> 0:16:31.090 how many of these massive deals could you give? Probably 0:16:31.110 --> 0:16:33.230 Tarek Skubal would be the biggest deal that they would 0:16:33.250 --> 0:16:35.690 be looking at this offseason, correct, in terms of money. 0:16:36.250 --> 0:16:41.500 Is that even a possibility considering what this ownership allegedly 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.330 is going through right now? 0:16:44.630 --> 0:16:47.410 For the Dodgers, it's always a possibility until it's not. 0:16:47.910 --> 0:16:51.130 And I mean, think about the last four off seasons, 0:16:51.210 --> 0:16:52.490 or I don't even know what year it is anymore. 0:16:52.510 --> 0:16:55.490 I don't even know what day. But they are going 0:16:55.530 --> 0:16:58.490 to be major players, but it is fair to speculate 0:16:58.590 --> 0:17:00.470 and to have some pause is when you think about 0:17:00.490 --> 0:17:02.790 the financial implications that are going through their ownership group 0:17:02.830 --> 0:17:05.410 right now. And again, the CBA that they're spending might 0:17:05.490 --> 0:17:08.940 be paused or at least a little bit more cautious. 0:17:09.540 --> 0:17:11.780 At the same time, this could be the last time 0:17:11.820 --> 0:17:14.300 the Dodgers can spend in the way that they have. Again, 0:17:14.340 --> 0:17:17.980 talking to players around the league, they seem pretty unified 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.669 in their disdain for a salary cap. They don't want it. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.490 It's why there's so much contention building around this pending 0:17:24.530 --> 0:17:26.670 lockout is because it seems like this could be something 0:17:26.690 --> 0:17:32.730 that takes a while. Assuming something changes, the Dodgers might say, hey, 0:17:33.050 --> 0:17:34.659 this could be our last time to do this the 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.000 way that we have done it, the way that is 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.619 currently allowed in the CBA. Why not take advantage of it? 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.959 That's when the uncertainty about whatever is going on with 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.290 Mark Walter and his ownership group and the finances there 0:17:43.330 --> 0:17:46.070 comes into play. We've heard it from Stan Kasten throughout 0:17:46.090 --> 0:17:48.310 the summer that it's not going to impact the Dodgers. 0:17:48.350 --> 0:17:51.270 The Dodgers are in good shape. We'll see how it 0:17:51.310 --> 0:17:54.980 goes over the next couple months or so. But off-seasons 0:17:55.020 --> 0:17:57.700 are always tricky to predict. This one even more so 0:17:57.780 --> 0:18:00.600 for all these reasons not even related to baseball. And 0:18:00.619 --> 0:18:04.000 it can change so quickly. But I do think there 0:18:04.020 --> 0:18:06.370 will be some teams that before December 1st, we saw 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.940 this in last year, the last time there was a 0:18:08.980 --> 0:18:12.300 lockout the day before the lockout that started the 2022 0:18:12.300 --> 0:18:16.520 spring training season late uh there were significant free agent 0:18:16.540 --> 0:18:18.740 deals and trades made and it was kind of like 0:18:18.780 --> 0:18:21.590 an early trade deadline just to kind of beat that 0:18:22.310 --> 0:18:24.850 cba expiration i can see that happening again this year 0:18:24.869 --> 0:18:26.710 as well yeah it's. 0:18:26.650 --> 0:18:28.050 Going to be fun it's going to be wild and 0:18:28.070 --> 0:18:29.490 then it's going to be boring and it's going to 0:18:29.530 --> 0:18:31.770 be sad for a while we got more things to 0:18:31.810 --> 0:18:34.350 talk about here see the comments as well we're going 0:18:34.369 --> 0:18:38.000 to get into comments The Dodgers season may be done, 0:18:38.300 --> 0:18:41.340 but there's still things you can do with our friends 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:41.960 at SeatGeeks. 0:18:41.980 --> 0:18:42.620 So I'm going to do this. 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.320 I'm going to push this button. I'm going to bring 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.560 us all on the screen here because you got Lakers games. 0:18:47.940 --> 0:18:48.360