1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodquitz, and he's right here 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: in the studio. 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Hi, Wes, Hey Michael. 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: It's been a while. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: It's been a minute since we've been in this setup. 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what kind of like hopping on 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: a bike going back to your grandparents hose, you just 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: feel right back at home. That's happy to be back 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: in the study, always right. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: It's like we never left in some ways. But we 13 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: do have a lot to talk about on this show. 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: First and foremost the fifty three man roster for the 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, which is still undergoing some adjustments here 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: and there. But the biggest thing that stands out about 17 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: this Packers roster heading into the twenty twenty three season 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: west is it is awfully young. 19 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: It is now we won't be able to get the 20 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: actual NFL superlatives on where the Packers rank and how 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: they do all that kind of data management will pump 22 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: that out after week one, but at this point in time, 23 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: I know Jason Wilde was crunching some of the numbers 24 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: some other people on Twitter were doing it and average 25 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: aged right around twenty five for green Bay, which is 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: incredibly low compared to obviously the most recent years. But 27 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: then when you look at the NFL and the way 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: things are structured, usually it's more in that twenty six 29 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: to twenty seven range. But the green Bay Packers right 30 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: now with only one player I think over thirty, and 31 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: that's David Baktiari after the decision to let go of 32 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: pad O'Donnell's, So it gives you an idea of where 33 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: they're heading. One of the things I really did enjoy, Mike. 34 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: We're gonna touch on a lot of topics here, but 35 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: Brian Gudocun's press conference one of the first things we 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: heard after the final cuts were announced him mentioning, yes, 37 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: we are young, but the expectations don't change. The green 38 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: Bay Packers still have very high expectations for this season. 39 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: It just so happens that it's going to be with 40 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: a roster that is a little bit younger than the norm. 41 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Gudakun's talked about how and he's mentioned this 42 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: many times before that this roster is built with a 43 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: lot of young players that he's expecting are going to 44 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: grow together and mature together and whatnot. But that is 45 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: it's not as though everybody's just supposed to wait for 46 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: an entire season to be in the books before that happens. 47 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: Seventeen games is a long time. It's a long season. 48 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: This team is expected to look and play much differently 49 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: in November and December, when all these young players have 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, eight, nine, ten games under their belts than 51 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: perhaps they do in the beginning. And this is going 52 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: to be, I think, more so than any other that 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: we've seen in Green Bay in our time here, a 54 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: season of evolution with regard to what this team is 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: going to look like and how it's going to play, 56 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: and how the coaching staff is going to figure out, 57 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: most specifically on the offensive side of the ball, what 58 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: this team does best and what it can hang its 59 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: hat on, because I you know, and we'll see the 60 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: roster change throughout the course of the season, it always does, 61 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: but in terms of the actual play on the field, 62 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: we may be looking at a very different team in 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: the second half of the season than the one in 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: the first half of the season as everybody figures things out. 65 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: More so than any other year I've covered Now you 66 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: were here during some of the very early years of 67 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 2: the Mike McCarthy era, those teams also trended very young 68 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: as well. But to me, I look at it as 69 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: also a huge opportunity because more than any other year, 70 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: I think where I cut, whether it was covering final 71 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: cuts and the roster construction of the practice squad, there's 72 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: so much young talent at all these positions. Right when 73 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: you look at receiver, how deep Green Bay goes with 74 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: a guy like Malik Heath making this roster Grant du 75 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: Bose comes back on the practice squad. But then you 76 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: also have you know, Jaden Reid coming in and as 77 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: you know, Brian goodkinsin and said looking a lot more 78 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: polished than I think a lot of people thought he 79 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: was going to as a rookie second round pick. The 80 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: tight end situation with Luke Musgrave and Tucker Kraft, you know, defensively, 81 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: this plethora of defensive linemen that are going to be 82 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: stepping in with Kenny Clark into this starting lineup. I 83 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: think that is where the Packers really can separate themselves 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: this year. Because I give Matt Leafluor a lot of credit. 85 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: I give Mike McCarthy a lot of credit. Their teams 86 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: did typically get better throughout the course of the year. 87 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: They always seem to play their best ball in December's 88 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: the reason why Matt Lafluur's record is what it is 89 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: during the final month of the season. But that being said, 90 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: the ceiling, the upside, the limitless potential of this group, 91 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: I think is going to be what you are going 92 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: to make the biggest difference. I made a joke, not 93 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: a joke, it was serious, but kind of a funny 94 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: equip if you will, an insider inbox about people asking 95 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: about the opener against Chicago and the importance of it. 96 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: It's huge, It's a really important game, but it pales 97 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: into comparison to what the Week eighteen game against the 98 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: Chicago Bears, Yeah, should be and what the Packers want 99 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: that game to be. And I think throughout the course 100 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: this year, you're gonna see this team take its lumps 101 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 2: at times, but I think you're gonna see tremendous growth 102 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: as well. 103 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And for all the anticipation and excitement about Week 104 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: one against the Chicago Bears at Soldier Field, it just 105 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: feels like win or lose, whatever the score is. There's 106 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: there's almost nothing about that game that's going to define 107 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three Packers in Week one never really 108 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: defines any team, but even more so this year, it 109 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: seems that it's that's going to be this team just 110 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: getting out of the starting blocks, and but you don't 111 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: know what. You don't know what the rest of that 112 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: race is going to look like. Well, one of the 113 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: reasons that this team is as young as it is 114 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: statistically is because not one, not two, but three undrafted 115 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: rookies made this fifty three man roster. You wrote about 116 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: them on our website. There's a story on packers dot 117 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: com to check out. And of course I'm talking about 118 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: receiver Malik Heath. You already mentioned running back Emmanuel Wilson, 119 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: who won the number three running back job, and then 120 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: outside linebacker Brenton Cox Junior. It keeps a street going 121 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: now of nineteen years in which the Packers will have 122 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: an undrafted rookie on their Week one roster. But more 123 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: so than just the streak, three guys in a year 124 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: in which the Packers had thirteen draft picks, you know, 125 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: three undrafted guys ended up busting through and making the 126 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: fifty three. It's a credit to them. Also a credit 127 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: to the scouting department that, you know, the building of 128 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: the team, the building the acquisition of new players doesn't 129 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: end when the draft ends. There are a lot of 130 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: guys that are brought in here to get a look, 131 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: and the ones that take advantage of that opportunity sometimes 132 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: they stick around well. 133 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: And it's funny to me because college free agency it's 134 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: such a free for all, right. I mean, now, certainly 135 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: you build some relationships, you make some phone calls, but 136 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: it literally is just teams being able to just grab 137 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: whatever players they can get. Afterwards, I mean, it's like 138 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: a you know, it's like college recruiting on like just 139 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: a complete tripe where it's like you're just trying to 140 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: get as many people as possible. But I think Brian 141 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: Goodokunz and his scouts, in my opinion, this was the 142 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: strongest UFA class they've had so far, because I think 143 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: there's guys on this practice squad too that can play 144 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: in this league. It's just the way that numbers work out. 145 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: But those three guys I think all stood out for 146 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: very different reasons. When you look at Malik Heath, I 147 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: think there are a lot of parallels there with him 148 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: and Romeo Dobbs. This is a guy that won. Did 149 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: not look like an undrafted free agent. But at times, 150 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, Mike, there was times in 151 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: the ots I'm like, is this guy even a rookie? 152 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,559 Speaker 2: I mean, he just he was wise beyond his years. 153 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: And you know, and as you know Brian Goodekin said 154 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: when he addressed the media on Wednesday, this is a 155 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: guy that had some stuff happened in college, you would 156 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: have probably gotten drafted had it not been for that. 157 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: But he you know, the Packers, they do their background checks. 158 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: They feel good about these players, the same thing with 159 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: Brenton Cox junior, and they bring them in and give 160 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: an opportunity in a clean slate. I thought Heath completely maximized. 161 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: That led the Packers in receiving twelve catches for one 162 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: hundred and forty six yards in the preseason. He was 163 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: able to be a starter with the offense. With Romeo 164 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: Dobbs dealing with a hamstring in the preseason finale, kind 165 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: of a precautionary thing, but the Packers wanted to, you know, 166 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: give Heath that opportunity, and you know, made a big 167 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: catch on the fifteen play eight r drive everything you 168 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: wanted to see from Heath in this gate, in this preseason, 169 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: you saw it, whether it was the hast catching or 170 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: even him blocking a guy into a field goal net 171 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: on the sidelines. And then quickly just to touch on 172 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: with Emmanuel Wilson. Here's a guy that spent three days 173 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: in Denver after the draft, got cut, ends up in 174 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: Green Bay. He had taken a top thirty visit here. 175 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: There was interest from Green Bay. But is looking at 176 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: a pretty tall depth chart where you have Patrick Taylor 177 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: coming back special teamer, fourth year veteran, You had Tyler 178 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: Goodson looking really good after working out this offseason with 179 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: Aaron Jones, and then Lou Nichols who was the seventh 180 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: round pick out of Central Michigan as a rookie. Injuries happened, 181 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: Wilson gets his opportunity, and as I wrote in art 182 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: that story, he just made himself undeniable. 183 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny. I admit I was steered wrong 184 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: in some respects on the number three running back competition 185 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: because when Wilson's star was starting to rise, we heard 186 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: from Matt Lafleur. I believe it was after the New 187 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: England preseason game, and he was talking about, well, he's 188 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: got a long ways to go and pass protection. He 189 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: hasn't done too much on special teams. We really need 190 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: him to work on his conditioning, you know, you know, 191 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: to be able to carry the ball fifteen sixteen times 192 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: in a game. I thought, Okay, they're just you know, 193 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: they're downplaying this and they're going to try to slip 194 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: him through to the practice squad. This is not a 195 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: guy who's going to make the roster and lo and behold. 196 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: When push came to shove and the decision had to 197 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: be made, they're like, no, this is this is our 198 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: number three running back. This is the guy that we 199 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: want on the fifty three. I think with Breton Cox, 200 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: it's a very interesting case. As as most folks know, 201 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: he had some off the field issues. He was dismissed 202 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: from two programs in the Southeastern Conference. Packers give him 203 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: a chance as an undrafted guy. They say, Hey, same 204 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: thing with Malie Heath. In a lot of ways, it's like, hey, 205 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: it's a clean slate here, you get to start over, 206 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: so make the most of it. And he does. And 207 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: what you have now for the Packers that outside linebacker, 208 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: you've got Preston Smith, and Rashaun Gary right behind them. 209 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: You have a first round draft pick in Lucas Fans, 210 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: a second year guy in kings Leannigbari who showed some 211 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: real potential as a rookie. You got Justin Hollins, a 212 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: veteran who came in last year, played a half a 213 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: dozen games and made an impact in Joe Berry's defense. 214 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: And then you're adding Breton Cox as a sixth guy 215 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: to that group. It's almost like adding another draft pick 216 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: because from a talent perspective, Breton Cox would have been 217 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 1: drafted and who knows maybe, I mean, you know, I 218 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: don't want to make a prediction necessarily, but probably anywhere 219 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: from like the third to the fifth round maybe is 220 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: where his talents all without anything else, you know, in 221 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: the equation. So it's as though the Packers took the 222 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: outside linebacker group they ended last season with. You're bringing 223 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: back with Shaan Gary, and you added two draft picks 224 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: in Lucas Fanis and Breton Cox Junior. This group as 225 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: far as the edge rusher group to get after quarterbacks, 226 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: this is as deep as Matt Lafleur has had since 227 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: he's been here. I think that's going to be a 228 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: boom for Joe Barry as he devises what to do defensive. 229 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: And I think that's the most impressive thing, Mike, is 230 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: you look at running backs, outside linebackers, and receivers. Those 231 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: are three of the deepest positions the Packers had in 232 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: their roster, and these guys it isn't like they just Okay, 233 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: we needed a fourth guy to fill at a depth chart. 234 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: All these guys competed to earn those spots and now 235 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: the possibilities of this group. I look at that defensive 236 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: front too, Mike. The ways you can mix and match 237 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 2: guys were Shaun Gary it sounds like he's gonna be 238 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: on a pitch count earlier this season. According to Matt 239 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: lafleor a is they try to work him back, but 240 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: you got a guy like kings Leyanningbari to eat some 241 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: of those snaps you have justin Hollins. You're bringing along 242 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: two rookies along with them. It's an intriguing, intriguing group, 243 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: and I think that's again getting back to that upside 244 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: and this sky's a limit for this group. That is 245 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: going to be what carries them, I think throughout the 246 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: course of this season. 247 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get to some other thoughts on 248 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: the roster, but we'll take care of some sponsor business here. 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One is that we we 257 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: saw with the decisions with this fifty three how much 258 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: the not just the size of the practice squad being 259 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: sixteen players now over the last couple of years, but 260 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: the flexibility that the league allows with regard to game 261 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: day elevations. Now there are limitations on certain you know players. 262 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: Once you elevate a guy three times, then you have 263 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: to make a more definitive decision on his roster status. 264 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: But that kind of flexibility, being able to elevate players 265 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: from the practice squad to the active roster for game day, 266 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: I think is why the Packers were able to to 267 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: send in their fifty three with only four cornerbacks. Yeah, 268 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, because in this in this day and age, 269 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: I've got four cornerbacks on the field in a game 270 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: like quite a bit. I mean, you need to have 271 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: more than that. But do you need to have more 272 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: than that on your fifty three? Not necessarily because of 273 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: the practice squad game day elevations. The other thing that 274 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: stood out to me, and you touched on a little 275 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: bit with the defensive line, but also just the number 276 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: of big guys that the Packers kept ended up being 277 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: eleven offensive linemen, although the expectation is that Luke Tannuda 278 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: will most likely be moved to injured reserve and it 279 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: will be down to ten on the active roster, but 280 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: even that says something because they wanted to carry Luke 281 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: Tanuda through to the fifty three because he's a big 282 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: guy that they believe can play in this league. And 283 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: just because he got hurt, they didn't want to They 284 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: didn't want to lose him and let him go. We 285 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: had talked all off season about how deep this offensive 286 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: line was, how many guys the Packers were bringing back 287 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: who were either on the active roster or the practice 288 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: squad from last year. And this is a group. This 289 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: offensive line, I think is really the group that forms 290 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: the foundation of this team, particularly on offense, when everybody else, 291 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,479 Speaker 1: you know, the wide receivers, the titands, and the quarterback 292 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: are also young and inexperienced. 293 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the Packers have some real skyscrapers, you know, 294 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: at the tackle position. I always say that same story. 295 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: When yosh Nyman got here in nineteen, I'm like, Wow, 296 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: that is a really big tackle, and then Caleb Jones 297 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: got here last year and I'm like, he's bigger than you. Yeah, 298 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: bigger Luke Tanuda, I mean, you know, Tanuda and Yash 299 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: actually played together at Virginia Tech. And it's like, these 300 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: are just monstrous, you know types of tackles, and the 301 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: Packers want to see what's there, they want to try 302 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: to develop it. It is funny to me that it's 303 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: that they have all these tackles and then you got 304 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: a guy like Zach Tom who's not the biggest offensive 305 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: line in the world, and he ends up, you know, 306 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: basically winning that right tackle job, finesse, footwork, technique, intelligence, 307 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,359 Speaker 2: and is probably going to be the backup at potentially 308 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: every spot now on the Packers' offensive line, depending on 309 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: if injury should happen. I really like the way that 310 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: the offensive line competent played out in camp because I 311 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: thought you saw strides from a lot of those draft 312 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: picks the Packers had last year. Rashid Walker might have 313 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: been the most improved player in camp from where he 314 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: was at pound for pound to where he got to 315 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: this year blocking for Jordan Love and the two preseason 316 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: finales on the left tackle side. You know, Sean Ryan, 317 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: I thought put a better effort forward this year. He 318 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: talked about cleaning up his diet, getting better sleep, just 319 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: being smarter about how he handled everything. I think that's 320 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: very important right now in trying to see exactly where 321 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: that could all potentially fit. Lastly, just to quickly touch 322 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: on this, two preseason games might the last two preseason 323 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: games no quarterback hits allowed. It's preseason, I get it. Yeah, 324 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: But the fact that that group went that deep, everybody 325 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: earned their spot there, as much as that probably caught 326 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: some people by surprise. With eleven offensive linemen, I thought 327 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: that group, by and large, you know, they earn their 328 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: keyp Yeah. 329 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: And when we I mean we've seen it before. When 330 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: you don't have that kind of depth on the offensive line. 331 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: You get into the twos and the threes in the 332 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: preseason games, and the offense just becomes a mess and 333 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: it can't even function because you just you don't have 334 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: enough enough continuity and enough execution up front to be 335 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: able to make anything work and to be able to 336 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: get a look at these other players and you know, 337 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: see what they can do. Packers didn't have that problem 338 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: in this preseason because because the offensive lines through the 339 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: multiple units held up and allowed the offense to function. 340 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: And we saw, we saw what Sean Clifford to do. 341 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: We saw what Alex Magoo did on the final You 342 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: know that that what turned out to be the game 343 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: winning drive against Seattle in the finale. The guys up 344 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: front in on this Packers roster, as you said, they 345 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: got the job done there in their spots. 346 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: And they gave a guy like Emmanuel Wilson the opportunity 347 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: to end up leading the NFL in preseason rushing yards. Mike, 348 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: you and I have covered a lot of preseason football, 349 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: not just talking about the Green Bay Packers, just NFL 350 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: in general, seeing different teams come in a guy having 351 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty three rushing yards in the preseason 352 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: does not happen a lot, especially on thirty eight carries 353 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: or whatever it was that he ended up having, I. 354 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Mean, well, and then only three preseason games as opposed 355 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: to four the way it used. 356 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: To be exactly. I mean, I was so impressed by 357 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: the young man. But it's also the partnership, the synergy 358 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: that goes with the offensive line. Again is a very 359 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 2: impressive preseason. And now the Packers hope that being able 360 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: to plant all these you know, pieces for this offense, 361 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: defense and special teams that that can ultimately be what 362 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 2: you know, is going to be the thing that kind 363 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: of catapults him into the season, the season of transition 364 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: here at Jordan Love at quarterback. 365 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, one last thing I want to touch on. I 366 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: guess we'll call it a tease because I'm going to 367 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: be writing a story on this very shortly on Packers 368 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: dot com. So when you have a chance, look for it. 369 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: Not sure exactly when it's going to get posted. We 370 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: talked on our last show about the decision at punter. 371 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: Because pad O'Donnell had already been released, the Packers had 372 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: decided that Daniel Wheelan would be their punter and his story, 373 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: his story is something else, Wes. I mean, it's not 374 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: just that he you know, was born in Ireland. He 375 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: moved to the United States when he was thirteen years old. 376 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: He first played football as a seventeen year old high 377 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: school junior. Was just talked into it by the coach 378 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: to come out to be the kicker and punter, be 379 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: the specialist on the team. Goes to a small college 380 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: in California, gets a chance with the Saints as a 381 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: as a as an undrafted rookie. It doesn't doesn't work 382 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: out there, He's released, and then you know, he goes 383 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: to the XFL and then ends up coming to Green Bay. 384 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: But there's so there's there's so much else that's in 385 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: between there, including from the time that he was released 386 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: by the Saints until he stepped onto the field in 387 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: the XFL, he was folding towels for eight hours a 388 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: day in a hotel spa, like that was his job 389 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: out in California, just trying to figure out, like, Okay, 390 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: what's next, Like what am I going to do? Then 391 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: the XFL comes along, and then not only does he 392 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: get a shot with the Packers, but he's got to 393 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: beat out a ten year veteran, a guy who has 394 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: absolutely been there, done that. The you know, the holding 395 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: for field goals, the cold weather, you know, all of it. 396 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: And he he gave a big thanks to Pad O'Donnell 397 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: for not only the way O'Donnell handled the situation, but 398 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: the way he helped him, particularly with regard to holding 399 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: on field goals. He said, he said, just watching it 400 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: wasn't even so much what O'Donnell said, but just watching 401 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: the way he did things, the way he went through 402 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: the drills and all that, he learned a lot himself, 403 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: and so much so that he tried to He said, 404 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: he tried to do between two hundred and fifty and 405 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: three hundred holds per day while he was here in 406 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: Green Bay. And whether that was Matt Orzik or brought 407 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: a hatcher, the two long snappers the Packers had on 408 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: the offseason roster snapping to him. Sometimes it was the 409 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: special teams coaches would you know, would would fire simulated 410 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: snaps back through the holding. And when he was back 411 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: home in California with his mother between mandatory mini camp 412 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: and the start of training camp, she was lobbing snaps 413 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: to him in the kitchen and he and he was 414 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: working practicing, doing the holding on the on the linoleum 415 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: floor in the kitchen, and he said, yeah, my mom's 416 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: my mom's simulated snaps weren't the best, but you know, 417 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a bad ball drill you gotta 418 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: work on. I had a workout of touch and the 419 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: bad ones too, So it was really fun, really fun 420 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: to talk to him. And uh, and I'll be putting 421 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: putting that story together soon, but but a heck of 422 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: a story. And he's going to be the first Irish 423 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: born player in how many years? 424 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: A thirty eight years? Nineteen eighty five Neil mcdona Hughes 425 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: last year in the NFL at the Saint Louis Cardinals, 426 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: last time. 427 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he actually somebody had somebody had tweeted something 428 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: that O'donahue had said, I think in a media interview 429 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: or something, and then tweeted it at Wheelan because of 430 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: Donahue like wished him well and all that kind of stuff. 431 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: So he hasn't like directly connected with him, but through 432 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: social media and whatnot, he's gotten a message from him. 433 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: So a fun story. And uh, and the Packers are 434 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: as young as you get at both kicker and punter. 435 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: Now heading into twenty twenty three. 436 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody asked an inbox, I did my best to 437 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: figure this out. Maybe's cliff for you will do a 438 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: better job of meet. It seemed like the first time 439 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: since nineteen eighty three since the Packers have not had 440 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: a guy that has actually played in the NFL on 441 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: their roster. But even then that comes with the asterisk 442 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: because Johan Stenerud was still here there with Eddie Garcia, 443 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: so it's gonna be unprecedently young at that spot. But 444 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 2: I mean Daniel Wheeland, man, the one thing you and 445 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: I saw from the beginning of OTAs on the kid 446 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: has a huge, huge foot. Yeah, he boomed some complete 447 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: moonballs throughout the this camp. 448 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be exciting to 449 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: watch his career grow and develop as well. But with 450 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: that we will call it a rap on this edition 451 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our 452 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: coverage of the team on Packers dot com for Wes 453 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: I and Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We 454 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: will see you next time.