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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of the Season with Peter Schregar. We were

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Speaker 1: officially in the off season. This is the off season,

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Speaker 1: yet NFL news is everywhere, you know. Friday, on Good

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Speaker 1: Morning Football, we announced that Dalvin Cook was officially going

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Speaker 1: to be released by the Minnesota Vikings. And it didn't

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Speaker 1: send shock waves, you know, through fans of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people are like pointing

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Speaker 1: to his stats and pointing to four Pro Bowls and

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Speaker 1: four thousand yard seasons the last four years. And I saw,

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Speaker 1: you know, my co host Kyle Brant was going big

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Speaker 1: on that and saying, you know, be careful what you

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Speaker 1: wish for releasing players of that quality. And I agree,

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Speaker 1: I agree, Dalvin Cook was set to make a lot

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Speaker 1: of money this year. And my big takeaway for a

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Speaker 1: monologue as we enter this episode, and we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a very special guest, is that I don't know what

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Speaker 1: to tell you. It doesn't make sense on paper, but

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Speaker 1: running backs are just not valued positions anymore. And that's

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Speaker 1: a cold, hard truth. It's something that we've known has

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Speaker 1: been trending this way for a long time, but it

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Speaker 1: has never been more apparent than this offseason is, particularly

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Speaker 1: the last seventy two hours. Sakwon Barkley had a great

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Speaker 1: charity event yesterday. The local New York reporters were smart.

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Speaker 1: They went and they got them on camera talking and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote some of the things he said,

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Speaker 1: do some revisionist history on this whole thing and kind

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Speaker 1: of break it down. Here's what he said via Jordan Renan,

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Speaker 1: who did a great job on ESPN getting not only

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Speaker 1: on camera but kind of wedging himself in there to

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Speaker 1: take a charity event to really make news, which I

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Speaker 1: appreciate from a reporter standpoint. You're spending your Sunday away

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Speaker 1: from your family to go to whatever event Saquan's having,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to get the most out of this,

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Speaker 1: not just for the charity side of it, but also

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Speaker 1: Here's what Saquan said to Jordan, who is a freehold

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Speaker 1: New Jersey residence. So I respect Jordan through and through all, right. Quote,

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Speaker 1: I think they're open to talking. I'm open to talking.

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Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, if you

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Speaker 1: really break it down and look at it as a whole,

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Speaker 1: there is no rush. There is still time on the

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Speaker 1: table to get to July seventeenth. July seventeenth is not tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: it's not in a week. This is how I look

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Speaker 1: at it. Maybe that is the naive way to look

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Speaker 1: at it. I could be completely wrong, but for me,

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Speaker 1: that's how I look at it. I could be completely wrong.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully I trust in the giants that we can get

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Speaker 1: something done. End quote. They asked Saquan about the running

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Speaker 1: back market, and here's where I'm going to pick something

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Speaker 1: apart here. He said, they, as in NFL franchises tag

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Speaker 1: ten million, and when they have the tag, they have

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Speaker 1: all the leverage. That's the reality. End quote. This use

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Speaker 1: the running back position. I have to push back on saquon.

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Speaker 1: This is the market. This is the market. Christian McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: so San Francisco forty nine ers, and last year they

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Speaker 1: They knew going in and they saw him as a

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Speaker 1: sixteen million dollar value. Saquon The Giants do not view

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Speaker 1: him as a sixteen million dollar value. They don't view

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Speaker 1: say they, it's it's almost acting as if it's someone else's.

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Speaker 1: Probably it's just the market. It stinks. Look, you look

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Speaker 1: around the world at housing situation right now. If you

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Speaker 1: have a house in a desirable place right now, it

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Speaker 1: is valued less than it was during peak COVID times

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Speaker 1: when interest rates were different. When you know it was

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Speaker 1: a different time in the climate economically. If you work

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Speaker 1: been a how about podcasting and Aaron, you could be

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Speaker 1: on this as my producer. They were handing out crazy

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Speaker 1: deals for podcasts to Megan Markele and Prince Harry and

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Speaker 1: It's just the market and it sucks, and I hate

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Speaker 1: to hear but to say they, as in the collective

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Speaker 1: NFL has decided to turn on running backs. It's not

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Speaker 1: the case. Look, you go through this thing and it's

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Speaker 1: Barry Sanders. I think he broke Barry's record. The Lions

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Speaker 1: the market, it's not they This was nothing against these guys.

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Speaker 1: harsh reality of it. And Aaron, as a Buffalo Bills fan,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you, like a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: this running back by committee thing might make more sense.

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Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate because we love the running back position

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Speaker 1: and it's a big part of fantasy football. But it's

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Speaker 1: not a coincidence that around the league it doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: there's all this talk with him. I mean think one

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So my message there is the market and we're

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Speaker 1: It's quasi at Dolfo Mensa, who is the general manager

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Speaker 1: them so much on current events because really my goal

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Speaker 1: with this podcast, as you know, Aaron, is let's get

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Speaker 1: about their stories. And Kaisei's being cool enough while they

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Speaker 1: one second, real quick. Aaron, do you play golf?

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Speaker 1: I have you ever picked up a club?

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Speaker 2: I've been to the driving range, like once or twice

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I had never picked up a club until last year.

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Speaker 1: My wife said, you know what, like your friends all

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Speaker 1: I got myself some golf clubs, which was probably an

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Speaker 1: like clubs. But it' supposed to be like the Rolls

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Speaker 1: But this weekend, on Sunday night, my son, who is

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Speaker 1: six years old, we played mini golf together. We watched

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Speaker 1: come in there not as an athlete, but as a student.

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00:19:54,186 --> 00:19:56,546
Speaker 1: So you get into Princeton and then you grow seven inches,

430
00:19:56,546 --> 00:19:58,906
Speaker 1: I have to think. You know, someone on campus is like,

431
00:19:59,306 --> 00:20:01,866
Speaker 1: have you considered ball? If you played at least at

432
00:20:01,866 --> 00:20:02,666
Speaker 1: any level.

433
00:20:02,986 --> 00:20:03,546
Speaker 3: You'd be surprised.

434
00:20:03,586 --> 00:20:05,186
Speaker 4: You walk around Princeton every there's a lot of six

435
00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:08,106
Speaker 4: or three guys walking aroun around. There's a really yeah,

436
00:20:08,226 --> 00:20:09,946
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of people play sports there,

437
00:20:09,946 --> 00:20:11,746
Speaker 4: whether it be waterpole of eyepall, whatever it is.

438
00:20:11,786 --> 00:20:13,746
Speaker 3: And I was friends with all those those people.

439
00:20:13,826 --> 00:20:16,186
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of athletic people walking around that campus,

440
00:20:16,186 --> 00:20:18,066
Speaker 4: so they weren't necessarily looking for me. But I you know,

441
00:20:18,146 --> 00:20:19,746
Speaker 4: I showed up to practice that first day and my

442
00:20:19,786 --> 00:20:21,026
Speaker 4: little Kobe Hafro.

443
00:20:21,946 --> 00:20:24,306
Speaker 1: You know, I was the Jadwin Jim where yah.

444
00:20:24,266 --> 00:20:25,306
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jadwind Jim.

445
00:20:25,386 --> 00:20:28,346
Speaker 4: You know, I put put my summer in, uh you know,

446
00:20:28,826 --> 00:20:30,986
Speaker 4: all those two day workouts with my friends, and you know,

447
00:20:31,026 --> 00:20:34,066
Speaker 4: obviously I was good enough to you know, play on

448
00:20:34,106 --> 00:20:36,746
Speaker 4: the JV team and do some practicing and all that

449
00:20:36,786 --> 00:20:39,666
Speaker 4: good stuff. And you know, again, super cool because the

450
00:20:39,706 --> 00:20:41,506
Speaker 4: fifteen year old of me that you know that never

451
00:20:41,506 --> 00:20:43,666
Speaker 4: got off that floor got cut. You know, got to

452
00:20:43,666 --> 00:20:46,546
Speaker 4: see that dream fulfilled in a small way, and that's

453
00:20:46,546 --> 00:20:47,706
Speaker 4: something I always take with me.

454
00:20:48,066 --> 00:20:50,986
Speaker 1: And that's awesome mentors. I feel like, if you go

455
00:20:51,026 --> 00:20:52,666
Speaker 1: to Princeton or you go to Stanford, you've got the

456
00:20:52,746 --> 00:20:56,306
Speaker 1: leaders in thought and you've got the leaders in you know, leadership.

457
00:20:56,426 --> 00:20:59,586
Speaker 1: Especially let's go to Stanford. When I talk about Stanford

458
00:20:59,586 --> 00:21:02,466
Speaker 1: football to a lot of people, it's it's often not hey,

459
00:21:02,546 --> 00:21:04,906
Speaker 1: I learned this from Harbor or David Shaw. It's I

460
00:21:04,946 --> 00:21:07,426
Speaker 1: was also connected to this guy and Silicon Valley, who,

461
00:21:07,546 --> 00:21:10,706
Speaker 1: by the way, happens to run a venture capitalism firm,

462
00:21:10,786 --> 00:21:12,866
Speaker 1: and also as a mentor to X, Y and Z.

463
00:21:13,066 --> 00:21:16,466
Speaker 1: Like when you get to those institutions of that academic prowess,

464
00:21:16,506 --> 00:21:19,346
Speaker 1: with those alumni bases, did you know at the time,

465
00:21:19,386 --> 00:21:20,506
Speaker 1: like I got to make the most out of this

466
00:21:20,546 --> 00:21:22,586
Speaker 1: and make connections Or is it one of those things

467
00:21:22,586 --> 00:21:24,786
Speaker 1: that if you just go there, it's hard to avoid

468
00:21:24,866 --> 00:21:26,506
Speaker 1: getting connected to the right people.

469
00:21:26,466 --> 00:21:26,666
Speaker 3: You know.

470
00:21:26,746 --> 00:21:28,746
Speaker 4: It's one of those things that I probably and I

471
00:21:28,746 --> 00:21:30,546
Speaker 4: don't really live a life with regrets. If I could

472
00:21:30,586 --> 00:21:32,506
Speaker 4: have pushed myself a little bit would have been more.

473
00:21:32,706 --> 00:21:34,426
Speaker 4: If I could tell any kid to come after me

474
00:21:34,946 --> 00:21:37,466
Speaker 4: seek out those relationships, I kind of let them happen

475
00:21:37,506 --> 00:21:40,506
Speaker 4: by chance, I happen to take a class with Daniel Connoman.

476
00:21:40,586 --> 00:21:43,106
Speaker 4: I happen to take a class with Burton Malcolm, who's

477
00:21:43,146 --> 00:21:45,266
Speaker 4: become a great mentor of mine. When I was at

478
00:21:45,306 --> 00:21:47,946
Speaker 4: Princeton and then at Stanford, I was lucky enough to

479
00:21:47,946 --> 00:21:50,626
Speaker 4: take classes with you know, A Hasty and he's he's

480
00:21:50,626 --> 00:21:52,626
Speaker 4: a really he's a big titan in the analytics world

481
00:21:52,666 --> 00:21:55,746
Speaker 4: and different people like that. It's so fortunate. But I

482
00:21:55,746 --> 00:21:57,266
Speaker 4: don't know that I sought it out as much as

483
00:21:57,306 --> 00:21:59,266
Speaker 4: I should have. And if I could go back again,

484
00:21:59,586 --> 00:22:01,826
Speaker 4: you know, I Matt Angelou was at Princeton when I.

485
00:22:01,786 --> 00:22:03,426
Speaker 3: Was there, Is that right? You know what I mean?

486
00:22:03,466 --> 00:22:05,226
Speaker 4: Like, you know, and I have to you know, I

487
00:22:05,306 --> 00:22:07,626
Speaker 4: wish i'd maybe got and coffee with her or whatever

488
00:22:07,826 --> 00:22:10,426
Speaker 4: something like that. So to everybody who comes after me,

489
00:22:10,466 --> 00:22:12,346
Speaker 4: please make sure you seek out those relationships when you

490
00:22:12,346 --> 00:22:13,186
Speaker 4: have access to them.

491
00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:15,946
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So you get to the Niners. You're back

492
00:22:15,946 --> 00:22:19,026
Speaker 1: in the Bay after some time in New York. How

493
00:22:19,066 --> 00:22:21,826
Speaker 1: did you apply your Wall Street skills? And we did,

494
00:22:21,906 --> 00:22:24,746
Speaker 1: and then try to integrate that into what at the time,

495
00:22:24,826 --> 00:22:26,706
Speaker 1: I know the Niners are always forward thinking, but also

496
00:22:26,746 --> 00:22:28,866
Speaker 1: at the time, like football is kind of meeting potatoes

497
00:22:28,866 --> 00:22:29,266
Speaker 1: as well.

498
00:22:29,706 --> 00:22:31,946
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was probably the biggest challenge, you know.

499
00:22:32,066 --> 00:22:35,386
Speaker 4: I got there after they had won three NFC championships

500
00:22:35,586 --> 00:22:36,986
Speaker 4: in a row, been to a Super Bowl.

501
00:22:37,026 --> 00:22:39,026
Speaker 3: I got there right after they had lost the Super Bowl.

502
00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:42,586
Speaker 4: So I'm not going there thinking I'm helping them, right,

503
00:22:42,706 --> 00:22:44,746
Speaker 4: I mean, they seem to have it pretty figured out

504
00:22:45,106 --> 00:22:47,066
Speaker 4: by them. So I really took it at just I'm

505
00:22:47,106 --> 00:22:49,026
Speaker 4: here to learn. I'm going to show them my thought

506
00:22:49,066 --> 00:22:51,826
Speaker 4: process and how that works. And really, I think a

507
00:22:51,826 --> 00:22:53,946
Speaker 4: lot of times in the analytics world, people are it's

508
00:22:53,946 --> 00:22:55,826
Speaker 4: almost like a project where you're studying things.

509
00:22:55,826 --> 00:22:56,546
Speaker 3: And that's good.

510
00:22:56,586 --> 00:22:58,066
Speaker 4: You want to study things, but you also got to

511
00:22:58,106 --> 00:23:01,426
Speaker 4: make decisions and decisions to have ramifications. They have good

512
00:23:01,426 --> 00:23:03,186
Speaker 4: things that happen, bad things that happen. You have to

513
00:23:03,226 --> 00:23:05,626
Speaker 4: be able to quantify them and really understand them before

514
00:23:05,666 --> 00:23:07,786
Speaker 4: you make a decision. So that was I would say

515
00:23:07,786 --> 00:23:10,346
Speaker 4: my best value add was really coming from a practical

516
00:23:10,346 --> 00:23:13,106
Speaker 4: decision making standpoint and saying, hey, I know this is

517
00:23:13,106 --> 00:23:15,546
Speaker 4: what the model on the analysis says, but I've done that.

518
00:23:15,706 --> 00:23:17,906
Speaker 4: I've lost a million dollars and ten minutes. I know

519
00:23:17,946 --> 00:23:20,586
Speaker 4: how that feels. I know how this feels. I know that,

520
00:23:20,786 --> 00:23:23,866
Speaker 4: the emotional side of it, and really having to understand

521
00:23:23,906 --> 00:23:27,186
Speaker 4: to get a whole building together behind your thought process.

522
00:23:27,666 --> 00:23:30,866
Speaker 4: That's different than just computing something into a code and

523
00:23:30,906 --> 00:23:31,626
Speaker 4: outputting something.

524
00:23:31,666 --> 00:23:32,506
Speaker 3: That's very different.

525
00:23:32,546 --> 00:23:34,306
Speaker 4: And so I think that was the thing they appreciate

526
00:23:34,346 --> 00:23:37,026
Speaker 4: out of me, appreciated about me the most. And then second,

527
00:23:37,346 --> 00:23:40,186
Speaker 4: I didn't know anything. You know, I'm here because I

528
00:23:40,186 --> 00:23:40,946
Speaker 4: didn't know anything.

529
00:23:41,106 --> 00:23:44,106
Speaker 1: Humility, right, I just well, it was easy because.

530
00:23:43,906 --> 00:23:46,226
Speaker 4: I actually didn't know anything, right, so I could go

531
00:23:46,346 --> 00:23:49,666
Speaker 4: into an office and ask, hey, hey, Cipho, tell me

532
00:23:49,706 --> 00:23:51,506
Speaker 4: about the run game. Tell me everything you need to know,

533
00:23:51,546 --> 00:23:55,026
Speaker 4: because I'm not insecure about that because I don't think I'm.

534
00:23:54,506 --> 00:23:55,106
Speaker 3: Supposed to know.

535
00:23:55,146 --> 00:23:58,066
Speaker 4: And he doesn't mind teaching me because I've helped him

536
00:23:58,066 --> 00:23:58,786
Speaker 4: with some other thing.

537
00:23:58,826 --> 00:24:01,066
Speaker 3: And so just so many relationships I've built.

538
00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:03,306
Speaker 4: And I was just talking to our scouting associates who

539
00:24:03,346 --> 00:24:04,666
Speaker 4: just got here to start, and.

540
00:24:04,626 --> 00:24:05,746
Speaker 3: I was like, jes, be curious.

541
00:24:05,786 --> 00:24:09,866
Speaker 4: If you can do one thing, be curious, just ask questions,

542
00:24:09,946 --> 00:24:12,506
Speaker 4: because I'm telling you, I'd satin rooms with people who

543
00:24:12,506 --> 00:24:14,066
Speaker 4: have been in the NFL for twenty years who never

544
00:24:14,106 --> 00:24:16,946
Speaker 4: asked that question. And I'm like, well, I know that,

545
00:24:16,986 --> 00:24:18,466
Speaker 4: and I've only been in the league ten years because

546
00:24:18,506 --> 00:24:20,146
Speaker 4: I because I wasn't scared to ask, and I don't,

547
00:24:20,146 --> 00:24:21,866
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think they're a dumb question. So

548
00:24:22,146 --> 00:24:24,266
Speaker 4: that was really the best thing that helped me get here.

549
00:24:24,666 --> 00:24:26,426
Speaker 1: What was your life like in New York City when

550
00:24:26,426 --> 00:24:28,106
Speaker 1: you were a wellser You said you interned and then

551
00:24:28,146 --> 00:24:29,706
Speaker 1: you took a job. So you don't have to name

552
00:24:29,746 --> 00:24:31,666
Speaker 1: the companies or you can. But I see just on

553
00:24:31,666 --> 00:24:33,426
Speaker 1: the website says day trader like, I could be a

554
00:24:33,466 --> 00:24:35,866
Speaker 1: million things. So take us through your day to day

555
00:24:35,906 --> 00:24:39,306
Speaker 1: as a young twenty three year old quacy like, because

556
00:24:39,346 --> 00:24:41,746
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you and I have talked about it.

557
00:24:41,986 --> 00:24:43,746
Speaker 1: I did my twenties in New York different deal. I

558
00:24:43,786 --> 00:24:45,266
Speaker 1: wasn't a Wall Street guy. I was more of a

559
00:24:45,346 --> 00:24:48,226
Speaker 1: struggling sports writer living with five guys and a loft.

560
00:24:48,266 --> 00:24:50,386
Speaker 1: But I think we had similar paths. I'm sure where

561
00:24:50,706 --> 00:24:52,146
Speaker 1: you work hard, you play hard.

562
00:24:52,146 --> 00:24:55,786
Speaker 4: No doubt, man, I had similar paths. I lived with five,

563
00:24:56,026 --> 00:24:59,746
Speaker 4: five and then six guys in a lofty six guys.

564
00:24:59,746 --> 00:24:59,906
Speaker 3: Man.

565
00:24:59,946 --> 00:25:02,306
Speaker 4: We still we still have a text group called Hotness

566
00:25:02,666 --> 00:25:04,426
Speaker 4: because that's what we because that's what we.

567
00:25:04,386 --> 00:25:06,426
Speaker 3: Called our place. I love those guys of Death, the Brothers.

568
00:25:06,466 --> 00:25:07,186
Speaker 3: Am I where it was?

569
00:25:07,226 --> 00:25:08,106
Speaker 1: The place Water Street?

570
00:25:08,106 --> 00:25:10,186
Speaker 3: Is that where you living? No? No, that place was

571
00:25:10,226 --> 00:25:12,346
Speaker 3: dirtieth in Madison, Okay.

572
00:25:12,186 --> 00:25:12,706
Speaker 2: Murray Hill.

573
00:25:12,906 --> 00:25:15,426
Speaker 1: Part of it. You're at Bank Cafe every day.

574
00:25:15,546 --> 00:25:17,306
Speaker 3: Let's go Bank Cafe.

575
00:25:17,426 --> 00:25:21,226
Speaker 4: We had a little deli, miscase deli downstairs. I don't

576
00:25:21,226 --> 00:25:24,466
Speaker 4: know how clean it was, but we ate there a lot. No, man,

577
00:25:24,626 --> 00:25:26,826
Speaker 4: I smile so much because that time of my life

578
00:25:26,866 --> 00:25:29,666
Speaker 4: was just such a blessing. Living in New York City

579
00:25:29,746 --> 00:25:31,426
Speaker 4: is something that will always just be grateful that I

580
00:25:31,466 --> 00:25:33,626
Speaker 4: got to do all the experiences. You know, you go

581
00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:35,186
Speaker 4: out in New York City on a Friday night with

582
00:25:35,226 --> 00:25:37,266
Speaker 4: your wallet and your cell phone and anything could happen.

583
00:25:37,346 --> 00:25:39,146
Speaker 3: It feels like anything happened. Anything it happened.

584
00:25:39,266 --> 00:25:43,146
Speaker 1: But you also meet anyone and everyone from all different backgrounds,

585
00:25:43,146 --> 00:25:44,826
Speaker 1: and we joke about it like, oh it was crazy

586
00:25:44,906 --> 00:25:47,426
Speaker 1: wild times. But gosh, I'm raising my kid in New

587
00:25:47,506 --> 00:25:50,346
Speaker 1: York City. I think it's a pretty cool cultural experience.

588
00:25:50,546 --> 00:25:51,666
Speaker 3: It's it's incredible, man.

589
00:25:51,746 --> 00:25:53,946
Speaker 4: It's you know, you're in your Friday night New York

590
00:25:54,066 --> 00:25:56,546
Speaker 4: is very different than your Tuesday afternoon New York.

591
00:25:56,626 --> 00:25:58,506
Speaker 3: Right there's different people's different vibes.

592
00:25:59,106 --> 00:26:01,666
Speaker 4: Just again, such a blessing, but you know, connecting that

593
00:26:01,706 --> 00:26:03,706
Speaker 4: to the work side of it, Yeah, we worked really

594
00:26:03,706 --> 00:26:06,946
Speaker 4: hard to getting the trade is an edge that I

595
00:26:07,426 --> 00:26:09,626
Speaker 4: just I'm so fortunate for I feel like the world

596
00:26:09,706 --> 00:26:12,786
Speaker 4: has become so dug in on what they think and

597
00:26:12,866 --> 00:26:15,626
Speaker 4: for me, I got to go make decisions and be

598
00:26:15,706 --> 00:26:18,306
Speaker 4: wrong and be right, but also be wrong and have

599
00:26:18,426 --> 00:26:21,066
Speaker 4: somebody really smart take the other side of my view

600
00:26:21,466 --> 00:26:23,346
Speaker 4: and have to think about that and being like, hey,

601
00:26:23,466 --> 00:26:25,346
Speaker 4: I think I'm smart, but this person's really smart and

602
00:26:25,386 --> 00:26:28,626
Speaker 4: they disagree with me. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe that

603
00:26:28,906 --> 00:26:31,666
Speaker 4: open mindedness that I have comes from pain and loss.

604
00:26:31,706 --> 00:26:33,746
Speaker 4: It comes from being on the other side of really

605
00:26:33,786 --> 00:26:36,026
Speaker 4: smart people who were right sometimes and when I was

606
00:26:36,066 --> 00:26:38,226
Speaker 4: wrong and really just not thinking I have the world

607
00:26:38,226 --> 00:26:42,066
Speaker 4: figured out, and that just that blessing that I was

608
00:26:42,146 --> 00:26:44,786
Speaker 4: able to receive in that education is something I've taken

609
00:26:44,826 --> 00:26:46,626
Speaker 4: with me and I try and get back to other people.

610
00:26:46,706 --> 00:26:48,986
Speaker 4: Actually have a nonprofit where I try and teach really

611
00:26:48,986 --> 00:26:52,706
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, finance to what's it called donut?

612
00:26:53,226 --> 00:26:54,506
Speaker 3: It's you know, donut.

613
00:26:54,506 --> 00:26:56,026
Speaker 4: It's a term we used to use on Wall Street

614
00:26:56,066 --> 00:26:57,346
Speaker 4: to a friend of mine made up where you don't

615
00:26:57,386 --> 00:26:57,586
Speaker 4: want to.

616
00:26:57,586 --> 00:26:58,786
Speaker 3: Obviously, a donut's a bad thing.

617
00:26:59,106 --> 00:27:01,066
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to teach people to obviously not be

618
00:27:01,106 --> 00:27:03,106
Speaker 4: a donut, and I do it with some of our players.

619
00:27:03,146 --> 00:27:05,466
Speaker 4: And I think all this stuff and finance is learnable.

620
00:27:05,466 --> 00:27:08,146
Speaker 4: It's really applicable to every aspect of your life. And

621
00:27:08,146 --> 00:27:10,106
Speaker 4: so I'm passionate about giving back to other people.

622
00:27:10,386 --> 00:27:12,306
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you said you went to the sloan comment.

623
00:27:12,386 --> 00:27:14,066
Speaker 1: Sorry if I'm fixated on this area of your life.

624
00:27:14,106 --> 00:27:16,946
Speaker 1: But so many listeners of this podcast are on the

625
00:27:16,946 --> 00:27:20,106
Speaker 1: treadmill right now. They're traveling, they're on a plane and

626
00:27:20,146 --> 00:27:23,786
Speaker 1: they're flying to another sales convention, or they're working out

627
00:27:23,826 --> 00:27:25,426
Speaker 1: because they've got to get to the office by sen

628
00:27:25,626 --> 00:27:28,146
Speaker 1: And if I only had the opportunity to and like,

629
00:27:28,346 --> 00:27:30,306
Speaker 1: we know it's a giant leap, but you made the leap.

630
00:27:30,346 --> 00:27:32,106
Speaker 1: Was there a morning where you woke up or like

631
00:27:32,186 --> 00:27:34,066
Speaker 1: I just can't do this anymore? Or was this where

632
00:27:34,506 --> 00:27:36,746
Speaker 1: you were like, I'm a single guy and this is

633
00:27:36,826 --> 00:27:38,586
Speaker 1: what I want to try to do. Like what was

634
00:27:38,586 --> 00:27:40,426
Speaker 1: there a turning point or was it just this is

635
00:27:40,466 --> 00:27:41,186
Speaker 1: months in the making.

636
00:27:41,546 --> 00:27:42,066
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

637
00:27:42,146 --> 00:27:44,226
Speaker 4: It was a longer decision I just and I as

638
00:27:44,306 --> 00:27:46,746
Speaker 4: much as I loved Wall Street, I just didn't want

639
00:27:46,986 --> 00:27:49,106
Speaker 4: not to be morbid. I always think about what do

640
00:27:49,146 --> 00:27:51,506
Speaker 4: you want your tombstone to read? You know, how do

641
00:27:51,546 --> 00:27:53,306
Speaker 4: you want it to read? And I didn't want that

642
00:27:53,426 --> 00:27:55,706
Speaker 4: to be the sole thing that was on there. Not

643
00:27:55,706 --> 00:27:57,106
Speaker 4: not that it was a bad thing, but just I

644
00:27:57,106 --> 00:27:59,946
Speaker 4: wanted more in my life, and so, you know, I

645
00:27:59,986 --> 00:28:01,946
Speaker 4: think I always wanted to pivot at some point to

646
00:28:01,986 --> 00:28:05,106
Speaker 4: do something different, and obviously football just you came calling.

647
00:28:05,106 --> 00:28:07,186
Speaker 4: I was really fortunate to go meet everybody at the

648
00:28:07,426 --> 00:28:09,986
Speaker 4: Sloan Conference, but there are a lot of hard days, man.

649
00:28:10,266 --> 00:28:12,506
Speaker 4: You know, I think you asked me earlier going from

650
00:28:12,506 --> 00:28:15,426
Speaker 4: what I was making to I mean, you're talking about

651
00:28:15,746 --> 00:28:16,426
Speaker 4: making one.

652
00:28:16,546 --> 00:28:17,346
Speaker 3: I think I did the math.

653
00:28:17,346 --> 00:28:19,266
Speaker 4: It was like one twentieth of what I right, right,

654
00:28:19,626 --> 00:28:22,266
Speaker 4: one twentieth one twentieth right, So with.

655
00:28:22,146 --> 00:28:24,426
Speaker 1: No guarantee that there's a huge upside.

656
00:28:24,226 --> 00:28:25,506
Speaker 3: No guarantee right, it's crazy.

657
00:28:25,546 --> 00:28:29,306
Speaker 4: My boss who wrote my recommendation for Stanford, you know,

658
00:28:29,306 --> 00:28:30,906
Speaker 4: when I got in and I was leaving, he's like,

659
00:28:30,946 --> 00:28:33,386
Speaker 4: so you're really going, like, I don't think you ever

660
00:28:33,426 --> 00:28:33,866
Speaker 4: believed me.

661
00:28:33,986 --> 00:28:35,346
Speaker 1: I would be as a friend. I would have been

662
00:28:35,346 --> 00:28:36,186
Speaker 1: asking you the same thing.

663
00:28:37,506 --> 00:28:39,906
Speaker 4: And you know, obviously we're all glad that it worked

664
00:28:39,906 --> 00:28:41,626
Speaker 4: out here, But there were a lot of days where

665
00:28:42,146 --> 00:28:43,866
Speaker 4: I was like, what did I do? You know, there's

666
00:28:43,866 --> 00:28:45,226
Speaker 4: certainly I'm not going to sit here and tell you

667
00:28:45,266 --> 00:28:47,826
Speaker 4: it was this easy, you know, easy path. I went

668
00:28:47,866 --> 00:28:50,386
Speaker 4: from you know, money not being a big variable in

669
00:28:50,386 --> 00:28:53,426
Speaker 4: my life to hey, maybe hey, what's that cup on?

670
00:28:53,466 --> 00:28:54,106
Speaker 3: What's that? What's that?

671
00:28:55,586 --> 00:28:57,266
Speaker 1: Ms? Not terrible for Tuesday night?

672
00:28:57,746 --> 00:29:00,066
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you know, but I'm again, I'm so

673
00:29:00,186 --> 00:29:03,106
Speaker 4: fortunate to have had that experience and grown from it.

674
00:29:03,146 --> 00:29:03,426
Speaker 3: I was.

675
00:29:03,786 --> 00:29:05,226
Speaker 4: I took it as a challenge. How do I how

676
00:29:05,226 --> 00:29:07,546
Speaker 4: do I humble myself? How do I changed my life

677
00:29:07,586 --> 00:29:10,306
Speaker 4: to accomplish my goals? And I'm glad I did it.

678
00:29:10,546 --> 00:29:12,826
Speaker 1: I said the moneyball thing because I think when you

679
00:29:12,826 --> 00:29:14,466
Speaker 1: got hired, that was thrown around a lot, and I

680
00:29:14,546 --> 00:29:17,306
Speaker 1: kind of cringe because I'm like, he's more than that. Obviously,

681
00:29:17,306 --> 00:29:19,746
Speaker 1: he's had a decade of experience in the NFL. He

682
00:29:19,786 --> 00:29:23,546
Speaker 1: obviously scouts players like they go from Trent Balki to

683
00:29:23,586 --> 00:29:26,066
Speaker 1: John Lynch. There's also a new leadership. How do you

684
00:29:26,986 --> 00:29:30,146
Speaker 1: kind of integrate yourself into a new GM and try

685
00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:32,266
Speaker 1: to sell yourself again and say here's what I bring,

686
00:29:32,266 --> 00:29:34,106
Speaker 1: here's the value. I know Lynch is one of the greatest,

687
00:29:34,146 --> 00:29:37,106
Speaker 1: but like, that's the thing. Also, the new Boston town.

688
00:29:36,346 --> 00:29:37,626
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I got to give a lot of

689
00:29:37,626 --> 00:29:38,306
Speaker 3: credit to Jail.

690
00:29:38,666 --> 00:29:41,586
Speaker 4: Jail's one of the most open minded, collaborative people I've

691
00:29:41,626 --> 00:29:44,226
Speaker 4: ever met, and so a lot of that was just

692
00:29:44,306 --> 00:29:46,186
Speaker 4: him wanting a lot of smart people in the room

693
00:29:46,386 --> 00:29:48,346
Speaker 4: and he's like, Hey, if this guy's smart, I want

694
00:29:48,386 --> 00:29:50,826
Speaker 4: to use him. And so, honestly, randomly, I had met

695
00:29:50,906 --> 00:29:52,986
Speaker 4: Jail my second week on the job. He was doing

696
00:29:52,986 --> 00:29:55,346
Speaker 4: TV a preseason game and they had asked me to

697
00:29:55,386 --> 00:29:56,906
Speaker 4: go spot You know what spotting is?

698
00:29:57,026 --> 00:29:59,386
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I didn't know what it was.

699
00:29:59,626 --> 00:30:02,626
Speaker 1: So you were the spotter, like, hey, the third lineman

700
00:30:03,026 --> 00:30:05,946
Speaker 1: on a spotter for the listeners at home. It's basically

701
00:30:05,986 --> 00:30:08,426
Speaker 1: you're helping broadcast crew when they don't know all the players.

702
00:30:08,466 --> 00:30:10,586
Speaker 1: You're pointing out who is and you're handing information and notes.

703
00:30:10,626 --> 00:30:12,706
Speaker 1: So in a preseason game, when there's seventy five guys

704
00:30:12,746 --> 00:30:14,466
Speaker 1: out there, you're the one who's kind of helping out

705
00:30:14,706 --> 00:30:17,506
Speaker 1: the broadcaster saying and usually these guys are volunteers, but

706
00:30:17,746 --> 00:30:19,546
Speaker 1: you were doing it as an employee of the team.

707
00:30:19,706 --> 00:30:21,146
Speaker 3: Right, So they asked me to do it.

708
00:30:21,146 --> 00:30:23,506
Speaker 4: And I get there and Jail and Burke Carter there

709
00:30:23,266 --> 00:30:25,466
Speaker 4: and I'm honest, I'm like, hey, I have no idea

710
00:30:25,506 --> 00:30:27,946
Speaker 4: what I'm doing, and they're just and they called somebody

711
00:30:27,986 --> 00:30:28,546
Speaker 4: it right away.

712
00:30:28,866 --> 00:30:31,306
Speaker 3: Jail's like, hey, man, I love you, but we're going

713
00:30:31,386 --> 00:30:32,266
Speaker 3: to go with somebody else.

714
00:30:32,386 --> 00:30:34,586
Speaker 4: And so I love so the first day on the

715
00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:36,866
Speaker 4: job that we kind of rehashed and laughed about that storage.

716
00:30:37,666 --> 00:30:40,546
Speaker 4: But yeah, So I met Jail, and obviously I hadent

717
00:30:40,586 --> 00:30:42,706
Speaker 4: a lot of research to help with the hiring process

718
00:30:43,026 --> 00:30:45,226
Speaker 4: and just talking about the great organizations what they have

719
00:30:45,346 --> 00:30:48,146
Speaker 4: and they have alignment and people with no ego and

720
00:30:48,506 --> 00:30:50,986
Speaker 4: collaborative and different things like that. And Jail was the living,

721
00:30:51,426 --> 00:30:54,426
Speaker 4: breathing embodiment of that. And I had written this document

722
00:30:54,426 --> 00:30:56,586
Speaker 4: for the forty nine ers that talked about all these things.

723
00:30:56,626 --> 00:30:58,346
Speaker 4: And he read it and there was a quote on

724
00:30:58,386 --> 00:31:01,266
Speaker 4: there by a family friend of his talk about life

725
00:31:01,346 --> 00:31:04,026
Speaker 4: being just this is random connection and he's like, hey,

726
00:31:04,106 --> 00:31:04,746
Speaker 4: who wrote this?

727
00:31:04,786 --> 00:31:06,426
Speaker 3: Who you know? And it was a trader.

728
00:31:06,786 --> 00:31:07,986
Speaker 4: It was a trader that I, you know, one of

729
00:31:08,066 --> 00:31:10,266
Speaker 4: my trading you know people that I looked up to

730
00:31:10,306 --> 00:31:11,506
Speaker 4: when I was in that industry, So he.

731
00:31:11,626 --> 00:31:13,386
Speaker 1: Was that trader. I love getting the credit here in

732
00:31:13,426 --> 00:31:13,986
Speaker 1: the names.

733
00:31:13,746 --> 00:31:16,266
Speaker 3: Paul Tutor Jones. He's one of the best best there is.

734
00:31:16,906 --> 00:31:18,826
Speaker 4: I read about him in a book called Market Wizards,

735
00:31:18,826 --> 00:31:20,986
Speaker 4: and that was actually when I started to change my

736
00:31:21,106 --> 00:31:23,106
Speaker 4: mind frame and trading and really started to understand what

737
00:31:23,146 --> 00:31:25,866
Speaker 4: that business was. And so to have that quote be

738
00:31:26,186 --> 00:31:28,066
Speaker 4: a thing that me and him were able to connect on,

739
00:31:28,306 --> 00:31:30,906
Speaker 4: it's just you talk about life being just this fortunate circle.

740
00:31:31,026 --> 00:31:33,626
Speaker 3: I'm just so happy that we had that relationship.

741
00:31:33,346 --> 00:31:34,986
Speaker 1: All right, and not to a pinpoint what you did

742
00:31:34,986 --> 00:31:36,466
Speaker 1: for the forty nine ers. But before we move on

743
00:31:36,506 --> 00:31:38,106
Speaker 1: to your next stage in your career, let's just say

744
00:31:38,266 --> 00:31:42,026
Speaker 1: the Niners we know so smart with compensatory picks, always

745
00:31:42,066 --> 00:31:44,626
Speaker 1: loading up with things that you wouldn't expect. Also great

746
00:31:44,626 --> 00:31:46,506
Speaker 1: on day three. So I'm just going to say a

747
00:31:46,586 --> 00:31:49,546
Speaker 1: name and just hypothetically tell me, like when this may

748
00:31:49,626 --> 00:31:51,506
Speaker 1: pick was made, like your role in the process or

749
00:31:51,506 --> 00:31:54,466
Speaker 1: what you're input, Like George Kittle's a fifth round pick

750
00:31:54,506 --> 00:31:58,386
Speaker 1: and you were there, So what's Quacy do to help

751
00:31:58,426 --> 00:32:00,066
Speaker 1: contribute to a George Kittle selection?

752
00:32:00,506 --> 00:32:02,026
Speaker 3: So that was the first year they got there.

753
00:32:02,066 --> 00:32:04,746
Speaker 4: So I wasn't as involved in drafting business I was,

754
00:32:04,786 --> 00:32:06,746
Speaker 4: but I did things. I did models, a lot of

755
00:32:06,786 --> 00:32:09,586
Speaker 4: models that would take information like their on field production

756
00:32:09,746 --> 00:32:11,946
Speaker 4: or their combine and kind of give a number that says, hey,

757
00:32:12,106 --> 00:32:14,866
Speaker 4: this is pretty good. This is actually better than everybody's

758
00:32:14,866 --> 00:32:16,746
Speaker 4: talked about. So they had all my model grades, and

759
00:32:16,866 --> 00:32:19,666
Speaker 4: our models liked him a little bit better than the consensus.

760
00:32:19,746 --> 00:32:23,146
Speaker 3: But I said this at my opening press conference. I didn't.

761
00:32:23,146 --> 00:32:24,586
Speaker 4: I didn't say George Kiddo would be the you know,

762
00:32:24,586 --> 00:32:26,186
Speaker 4: one of the best tight ends that ever play this game.

763
00:32:26,426 --> 00:32:27,986
Speaker 4: I'm not going to sit here and try and take

764
00:32:27,986 --> 00:32:30,226
Speaker 4: that credit. But on the margins, it did like him

765
00:32:30,226 --> 00:32:32,506
Speaker 4: a little bit better than you know, some other sources did.

766
00:32:32,746 --> 00:32:34,786
Speaker 1: Sure. All right, so you have this great success with

767
00:32:34,826 --> 00:32:38,306
Speaker 1: San Francisco, you know, all the way to a super Bowl.

768
00:32:39,026 --> 00:32:40,946
Speaker 1: Then you go to Cleveland. Do you join Andrew Berry

769
00:32:40,946 --> 00:32:43,506
Speaker 1: in Cleveland? Another IVY League guy from a different school.

770
00:32:43,546 --> 00:32:46,146
Speaker 1: Of course, he's a Harvard Man. How do you make

771
00:32:46,186 --> 00:32:48,146
Speaker 1: that jump to Cleveland? And why did you make that jump?

772
00:32:48,346 --> 00:32:50,066
Speaker 4: That's a blessing, you know. I met Andrew in an

773
00:32:50,066 --> 00:32:51,426
Speaker 4: elevator bank at the combine.

774
00:32:51,666 --> 00:32:52,466
Speaker 1: Yeah, decidedly.

775
00:32:52,626 --> 00:32:54,226
Speaker 3: Yeah, completely random.

776
00:32:54,266 --> 00:32:55,826
Speaker 4: And I had heard about him, and I guess in

777
00:32:55,906 --> 00:32:58,146
Speaker 4: hindsight he had maybe heard a couple of things about me.

778
00:32:58,266 --> 00:33:00,586
Speaker 4: But you know, we just started a relationship pad dinner.

779
00:33:00,746 --> 00:33:02,426
Speaker 4: You got a network. You got to meet people. You

780
00:33:02,506 --> 00:33:05,346
Speaker 4: never know when their opportunity would come. And I had

781
00:33:05,386 --> 00:33:07,386
Speaker 4: dinner with him in about five minutes. I was like, Oh,

782
00:33:07,426 --> 00:33:09,426
Speaker 4: this guy's gonna be a GM. You know, it's if

783
00:33:09,466 --> 00:33:12,306
Speaker 4: you've met Andrew Bert before, you would know that brilliant,

784
00:33:12,346 --> 00:33:15,546
Speaker 4: brilliant kid, just down to earth, great human, great family.

785
00:33:15,666 --> 00:33:18,506
Speaker 4: Just and so you know, that relationship started. And look,

786
00:33:19,026 --> 00:33:22,106
Speaker 4: you've seen what was in that San Francisco building. There

787
00:33:22,186 --> 00:33:23,746
Speaker 4: was a logjam of really talented people.

788
00:33:23,826 --> 00:33:26,066
Speaker 1: Let's go through the news. Because Rand Carthon's now at

789
00:33:26,066 --> 00:33:28,706
Speaker 1: GM with Tennessee John Lynch Parague is now going to

790
00:33:28,706 --> 00:33:34,266
Speaker 1: own leads. I think I think that's about happening yourself.

791
00:33:34,546 --> 00:33:36,266
Speaker 1: Who else we got, like, who are there other? Brian

792
00:33:36,306 --> 00:33:37,706
Speaker 1: Hampton really well regarded.

793
00:33:37,466 --> 00:33:41,386
Speaker 4: Brian Hampton, Ethan Wallas now assistant GM, and Jacksonville, Adam Peters.

794
00:33:41,626 --> 00:33:43,826
Speaker 4: Adam Peters is a stud So you're just talking about

795
00:33:43,946 --> 00:33:46,386
Speaker 4: a lot of people, And look, I wanted that next

796
00:33:46,426 --> 00:33:48,426
Speaker 4: step of my career I wanted to grow. There's certain

797
00:33:48,666 --> 00:33:50,786
Speaker 4: rooms and conversations I wanted to see and be a

798
00:33:50,786 --> 00:33:52,746
Speaker 4: part of. And sometimes you have to leave in your

799
00:33:52,746 --> 00:33:54,866
Speaker 4: career to go take that opportunity. But that doesn't mean

800
00:33:54,906 --> 00:33:57,026
Speaker 4: there's not a ton of love and respect and admimation

801
00:33:57,146 --> 00:33:58,746
Speaker 4: for the people I work with in San Francisco.

802
00:33:58,906 --> 00:34:01,146
Speaker 1: So you go to Cleveland and then the Minnesota GM

803
00:34:01,226 --> 00:34:03,346
Speaker 1: job opens up. You interviewed for Chicago as well.

804
00:34:03,346 --> 00:34:04,786
Speaker 3: I want to say, yes, I did.

805
00:34:05,346 --> 00:34:08,386
Speaker 1: How do you prep for a general manager position? In

806
00:34:08,426 --> 00:34:12,186
Speaker 1: those interviews and Minnesota specifically, what did you hone in

807
00:34:12,226 --> 00:34:14,586
Speaker 1: on and really try to get that job because it's

808
00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:17,226
Speaker 1: one of the obviously crown jewel franchises in the NFL.

809
00:34:17,706 --> 00:34:19,586
Speaker 4: You know, for a GM job, it's really you have

810
00:34:19,626 --> 00:34:21,786
Speaker 4: great mentors that help you. So Andrew Barry was one

811
00:34:21,826 --> 00:34:24,826
Speaker 4: of my best sources. I joke with him, I think

812
00:34:24,866 --> 00:34:27,546
Speaker 4: I owed him a commission just for getting all the preparation.

813
00:34:27,906 --> 00:34:29,866
Speaker 3: You know. Really, when I first got there, he said, way,

814
00:34:29,946 --> 00:34:31,026
Speaker 3: you're going to be a jam one day.

815
00:34:31,226 --> 00:34:32,626
Speaker 4: And I wasn't even sure at that point that I

816
00:34:32,626 --> 00:34:34,946
Speaker 4: should be a VP of ops, you know, and he

817
00:34:35,066 --> 00:34:37,586
Speaker 4: was pushing me, Hey, if you're making decisions.

818
00:34:37,586 --> 00:34:38,866
Speaker 3: What would you do? What would you do?

819
00:34:39,146 --> 00:34:41,026
Speaker 4: And so really I had a book and a really

820
00:34:41,226 --> 00:34:43,386
Speaker 4: an approach and a thought process built over two years.

821
00:34:43,426 --> 00:34:45,586
Speaker 4: So I was ready when I got to those positions

822
00:34:45,626 --> 00:34:48,066
Speaker 4: because of him. And then people like Charlie Cashley, who

823
00:34:48,266 --> 00:34:49,986
Speaker 4: you know, is really helpful. He reached out to me,

824
00:34:50,026 --> 00:34:52,386
Speaker 4: somebody I just texted with the other day, just kind

825
00:34:52,386 --> 00:34:55,026
Speaker 4: of taught me about, you know, how things go, how

826
00:34:55,066 --> 00:34:57,306
Speaker 4: different buildings, the history of the game and all different things.

827
00:34:57,466 --> 00:34:59,266
Speaker 4: You really just want to get ready, get prepared with

828
00:34:59,306 --> 00:35:01,746
Speaker 4: their roster, but they have to leave that in that

829
00:35:01,906 --> 00:35:04,626
Speaker 4: interview knowing who you are, who is Quacy? What are

830
00:35:04,626 --> 00:35:06,386
Speaker 4: the four things that we're going to get with Quacy?

831
00:35:06,626 --> 00:35:08,546
Speaker 4: And honestly, that's just genuinely that's got to come from

832
00:35:08,546 --> 00:35:11,666
Speaker 4: who you are. That can't that can't be fake. I

833
00:35:11,706 --> 00:35:14,186
Speaker 4: can't try and be Andrew Berry or John Lynch. I

834
00:35:14,186 --> 00:35:16,586
Speaker 4: got to be the genuine to myself. You know, I'll

835
00:35:16,586 --> 00:35:19,346
Speaker 4: never forget the first banking interview I had in college.

836
00:35:19,786 --> 00:35:22,026
Speaker 3: I got to the final round and I got nervous.

837
00:35:22,746 --> 00:35:24,386
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I got to try and act

838
00:35:24,426 --> 00:35:26,026
Speaker 4: like what I think an investment banker is going to

839
00:35:26,026 --> 00:35:27,146
Speaker 4: be like, and I didn't get the job.

840
00:35:27,266 --> 00:35:27,466
Speaker 3: I got.

841
00:35:27,506 --> 00:35:29,666
Speaker 4: Getting get the job is the only interview, at least

842
00:35:29,706 --> 00:35:31,226
Speaker 4: in that cycle that I didn't get the job. When

843
00:35:31,226 --> 00:35:32,986
Speaker 4: I got to the fine around and I told myself,

844
00:35:33,226 --> 00:35:35,266
Speaker 4: if you're going to go out, just be you. Yeah,

845
00:35:35,386 --> 00:35:38,106
Speaker 4: if that's not good enough, that's okay, but just be yourself.

846
00:35:38,146 --> 00:35:40,586
Speaker 4: And I took that and obviously was that in the

847
00:35:40,626 --> 00:35:42,866
Speaker 4: interview process. And look, I'm a little different. You know,

848
00:35:42,906 --> 00:35:45,506
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say words and in a football interview that

849
00:35:45,546 --> 00:35:47,266
Speaker 4: other people aren't going to say. But I'm going to say,

850
00:35:47,266 --> 00:35:49,386
Speaker 4: I'm going to be myself, be my authentic self. And

851
00:35:49,506 --> 00:35:51,146
Speaker 4: ultimately that took me where I wanted to go. But

852
00:35:51,306 --> 00:35:53,386
Speaker 4: the minicine or interview. What I was so impressed with

853
00:35:53,426 --> 00:35:55,826
Speaker 4: their process was a lot of it was about leadership,

854
00:35:56,386 --> 00:35:58,826
Speaker 4: leadership and culture. I think a lot of times people

855
00:35:59,066 --> 00:36:01,146
Speaker 4: like you said earlier, trying to make the GM job

856
00:36:01,226 --> 00:36:04,026
Speaker 4: head scout, and that is a portion of the job,

857
00:36:04,066 --> 00:36:07,266
Speaker 4: but a lot of the job is leadership, setting up, process.

858
00:36:06,906 --> 00:36:09,106
Speaker 3: Building, culture, vision, all those things.

859
00:36:09,186 --> 00:36:12,666
Speaker 4: And Minnesota immediately impressed me with how they sought out

860
00:36:12,706 --> 00:36:13,226
Speaker 4: those things.

861
00:36:13,386 --> 00:36:14,266
Speaker 3: So it was just a match.

862
00:36:14,546 --> 00:36:16,306
Speaker 4: And I know they tell the story of how I

863
00:36:16,346 --> 00:36:19,706
Speaker 4: came skipping down the stairs from my office to my wife,

864
00:36:20,066 --> 00:36:22,746
Speaker 4: But it really was I was so invigorated by by

865
00:36:22,826 --> 00:36:24,666
Speaker 4: that because those are the things that I had prepared for.

866
00:36:24,746 --> 00:36:26,746
Speaker 4: That's what I think is important in the job. Look,

867
00:36:26,746 --> 00:36:29,826
Speaker 4: I'm going to hire smarter analytics people than me. I'm

868
00:36:29,826 --> 00:36:31,786
Speaker 4: going to hire better scouts. To me, that's the point.

869
00:36:32,066 --> 00:36:33,746
Speaker 4: I've got to just know enough to be dangerous, to

870
00:36:33,746 --> 00:36:35,466
Speaker 4: be able to manage them, lead and combine all the

871
00:36:35,506 --> 00:36:39,106
Speaker 4: information to make decisions. And I think coming from Minnesota's

872
00:36:39,106 --> 00:36:41,466
Speaker 4: interview process, I was sure that that's what they.

873
00:36:41,386 --> 00:36:41,906
Speaker 3: Were looking for.

874
00:36:41,946 --> 00:36:44,106
Speaker 4: And then to your point, the ownership group, I mean,

875
00:36:44,186 --> 00:36:46,186
Speaker 4: the Wolfs are just they're incredible people.

876
00:36:46,586 --> 00:36:47,826
Speaker 1: I think it's not to cut you off. I think

877
00:36:47,826 --> 00:36:50,426
Speaker 1: it's the best facility in the NFL. I would say question.

878
00:36:50,826 --> 00:36:53,706
Speaker 1: I think the NFLPA survey said a lot. When you

879
00:36:53,746 --> 00:36:55,666
Speaker 1: have a plus across the board for the way people

880
00:36:55,706 --> 00:36:59,426
Speaker 1: are treated and the will family. They're relatively new owners

881
00:36:59,426 --> 00:37:01,506
Speaker 1: i'd say last twenty years. Obviously they took over and

882
00:37:01,546 --> 00:37:04,266
Speaker 1: you get that new stadium thing, like players love playing

883
00:37:04,266 --> 00:37:07,066
Speaker 1: there too, so you've got a nice advantage in your

884
00:37:07,106 --> 00:37:09,426
Speaker 1: back corner where there's like a lot of positive things

885
00:37:09,426 --> 00:37:11,306
Speaker 1: going on before you even step into.

886
00:37:11,186 --> 00:37:13,506
Speaker 3: The job, no question and no question.

887
00:37:13,786 --> 00:37:16,426
Speaker 4: And look at these jounts are so rare though, So

888
00:37:16,466 --> 00:37:18,426
Speaker 4: it's not like I was sitting there saying, you know,

889
00:37:18,866 --> 00:37:21,066
Speaker 4: let me hold out for the crown Jewel type of Minnesota.

890
00:37:21,106 --> 00:37:23,226
Speaker 4: But you know, good fortune had it that they liked

891
00:37:23,226 --> 00:37:25,346
Speaker 4: what I was putting down, and I obviously loved the

892
00:37:25,466 --> 00:37:26,466
Speaker 4: organization that I came to.

893
00:37:26,746 --> 00:37:28,946
Speaker 1: All Right, so you get there. Last year, you guys

894
00:37:29,146 --> 00:37:32,186
Speaker 1: win thirteen games, You win I think eleven games like

895
00:37:32,266 --> 00:37:34,626
Speaker 1: in the by one score, like I would have to

896
00:37:34,666 --> 00:37:37,426
Speaker 1: imagine that maybe you didn't. Maybe we were like, we're

897
00:37:37,426 --> 00:37:39,106
Speaker 1: gonna win Suer Bowl in your one. But that's at

898
00:37:39,106 --> 00:37:41,426
Speaker 1: the bar pretty high for year two and beyond, what

899
00:37:41,466 --> 00:37:43,466
Speaker 1: was your one? Like with Kevin O'Connell.

900
00:37:43,346 --> 00:37:45,786
Speaker 4: That that was incredible. You know, I can't believe we've

901
00:37:45,786 --> 00:37:48,386
Speaker 4: gotten this far without talking about Ko. But you know,

902
00:37:48,466 --> 00:37:50,466
Speaker 4: he's just my po he's my partner in crime.

903
00:37:50,586 --> 00:37:52,466
Speaker 1: Did you guys have a good relationship in San France?

904
00:37:52,546 --> 00:37:54,826
Speaker 3: We met, we had lunches together because he's just such

905
00:37:54,826 --> 00:37:55,346
Speaker 3: a great guy.

906
00:37:55,346 --> 00:37:57,706
Speaker 1: And I remember the man. But it was a chip right,

907
00:37:57,746 --> 00:37:59,906
Speaker 1: it was chippy day and Kevin O'Connell. They had all

908
00:37:59,906 --> 00:38:00,546
Speaker 1: these young guys.

909
00:38:00,626 --> 00:38:03,346
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he had this weird title like special Projects

910
00:38:03,426 --> 00:38:05,146
Speaker 4: or something like that. So we joke I was the

911
00:38:05,226 --> 00:38:06,946
Speaker 4: R and D analyst and he was specially or Projects.

912
00:38:06,946 --> 00:38:09,666
Speaker 4: And now we're head coaching GM together. But we had

913
00:38:09,706 --> 00:38:12,586
Speaker 4: lunch together a few times. And I remember, again, like

914
00:38:12,626 --> 00:38:14,426
Speaker 4: I said, I picked people's brain when I get to

915
00:38:14,426 --> 00:38:14,826
Speaker 4: talk to him.

916
00:38:14,826 --> 00:38:16,226
Speaker 3: So I asked him about quarterback play.

917
00:38:16,546 --> 00:38:18,506
Speaker 4: And so when the wils asked me about him after

918
00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:20,586
Speaker 4: my first interview, I was like, oh, you know, I

919
00:38:20,586 --> 00:38:21,946
Speaker 4: haven't stay in touch with him, but he used to

920
00:38:21,946 --> 00:38:24,466
Speaker 4: tell me the smartest thing about quarterbacks and I just

921
00:38:24,506 --> 00:38:26,226
Speaker 4: kind of left, could not think of anything of it,

922
00:38:26,306 --> 00:38:29,386
Speaker 4: you know. And obviously then I get to the GM

923
00:38:29,466 --> 00:38:31,586
Speaker 4: job and I know that they think they're in high

924
00:38:31,586 --> 00:38:33,426
Speaker 4: regard with him, and I watched the interview and I

925
00:38:33,426 --> 00:38:36,506
Speaker 4: start doing my reference work. I mean, he's a home run,

926
00:38:36,546 --> 00:38:38,266
Speaker 4: a a plus guy, and I think we can win

927
00:38:38,346 --> 00:38:39,186
Speaker 4: championships together.

928
00:38:39,226 --> 00:38:41,026
Speaker 3: I just got to do my part of the equation

929
00:38:41,506 --> 00:38:42,346
Speaker 3: and handle the business.

930
00:38:42,426 --> 00:38:45,626
Speaker 4: But you know, last year was incredible, you know, and

931
00:38:45,626 --> 00:38:47,986
Speaker 4: obviously it's set a high bar and you don't know,

932
00:38:48,226 --> 00:38:48,906
Speaker 4: you can't when.

933
00:38:48,746 --> 00:38:50,466
Speaker 3: People say exceed expectations.

934
00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:53,466
Speaker 4: In the NFL, there's just the margins are so thin,

935
00:38:53,826 --> 00:38:55,746
Speaker 4: so thin, right, you know, And so I think you

936
00:38:55,746 --> 00:38:57,986
Speaker 4: can generally say, hey, I think we're a playoff team,

937
00:38:58,106 --> 00:39:00,266
Speaker 4: or we're a team that should be Final four good

938
00:39:00,666 --> 00:39:03,226
Speaker 4: or maybe bottom third good, but you don't really know specifically,

939
00:39:03,626 --> 00:39:06,266
Speaker 4: As you said, thirteen or eleven to one score games

940
00:39:06,546 --> 00:39:09,186
Speaker 4: for them go differently, the records different I understand that.

941
00:39:09,226 --> 00:39:11,026
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and tell you I don't.

942
00:39:11,426 --> 00:39:14,266
Speaker 4: But you can set yourself up to succeed with a

943
00:39:14,306 --> 00:39:16,186
Speaker 4: team that you think should be a playoff team, and

944
00:39:16,226 --> 00:39:16,426
Speaker 4: we did.

945
00:39:16,546 --> 00:39:17,506
Speaker 3: We thought we had a good team.

946
00:39:17,546 --> 00:39:20,306
Speaker 4: With the culture, real building, the veteran leadership that we had,

947
00:39:20,746 --> 00:39:23,146
Speaker 4: we were really and ultimately that's what I think Carrie

948
00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:25,066
Speaker 4: the day in those eleven to one score games, right,

949
00:39:25,386 --> 00:39:27,866
Speaker 4: veteran leadership. And this year we're taking the bet that

950
00:39:28,026 --> 00:39:30,226
Speaker 4: those young players that were on the roster that saw

951
00:39:30,346 --> 00:39:31,986
Speaker 4: those games, now, hey, this.

952
00:39:31,906 --> 00:39:32,426
Speaker 3: Is the standard.

953
00:39:32,466 --> 00:39:35,226
Speaker 4: This is how the Minnesota Vikings show up and show out,

954
00:39:35,426 --> 00:39:37,946
Speaker 4: and so that's what we're thinking, little Carrie us this year.

955
00:39:38,266 --> 00:39:40,506
Speaker 1: It's an interesting second season because you have the benefit

956
00:39:40,546 --> 00:39:42,506
Speaker 1: of the doubt now after year one, but there are

957
00:39:42,506 --> 00:39:44,986
Speaker 1: some popular guys. I think Adam Thielan is a beloved guy.

958
00:39:45,066 --> 00:39:47,066
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook was a beloved guy. You see their jerseys

959
00:39:47,066 --> 00:39:49,746
Speaker 1: in the stands. But you made tough decisions. When you

960
00:39:49,786 --> 00:39:52,826
Speaker 1: make those tough decisions, and then do you read the

961
00:39:52,866 --> 00:39:55,346
Speaker 1: fan responses? Are you one of those guys that doesn't

962
00:39:55,346 --> 00:39:57,626
Speaker 1: really like I would imagine a lot of fans are

963
00:39:57,786 --> 00:40:00,186
Speaker 1: not thrilled when you let go of the longtime veterans

964
00:40:00,226 --> 00:40:02,826
Speaker 1: who had great seasons last year with the Vikings.

965
00:40:03,106 --> 00:40:04,426
Speaker 4: I got to Sapy, I don't know that you have

966
00:40:04,466 --> 00:40:06,266
Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt in this business. I think it's

967
00:40:06,506 --> 00:40:09,266
Speaker 4: as surely urgent business. The second that season ended, I

968
00:40:09,306 --> 00:40:11,346
Speaker 4: went back to, you know, not make not knowing what

969
00:40:11,386 --> 00:40:13,826
Speaker 4: I'm doing, and that's I respect that, that's that is

970
00:40:13,866 --> 00:40:16,106
Speaker 4: the job. I'm one of those gms. He doesn't read it.

971
00:40:16,546 --> 00:40:18,946
Speaker 4: Pretty private person. So one of the one of the

972
00:40:18,986 --> 00:40:21,626
Speaker 4: hardest parts about this job for me is that, you know,

973
00:40:21,746 --> 00:40:24,546
Speaker 4: I people say my name or anything like that. That's

974
00:40:24,626 --> 00:40:26,546
Speaker 4: really hard for me. And so the way I kind

975
00:40:26,546 --> 00:40:28,826
Speaker 4: of stay out of that is to just kind of

976
00:40:28,866 --> 00:40:30,666
Speaker 4: not watch it. I tell my friends, please don't send

977
00:40:30,666 --> 00:40:33,026
Speaker 4: me anything, and it's good or bad it's nothing to

978
00:40:33,066 --> 00:40:34,666
Speaker 4: do with that. It's just, you know, I just want

979
00:40:34,706 --> 00:40:37,106
Speaker 4: to stay focused because I'm really hard on myself. I

980
00:40:37,306 --> 00:40:40,426
Speaker 4: don't know that any comment or on Reddit or Twitter

981
00:40:40,706 --> 00:40:43,506
Speaker 4: or announcer could be any harder himself than myself. And

982
00:40:43,546 --> 00:40:46,106
Speaker 4: so trust me, if there's stuff going wrong in this building,

983
00:40:46,146 --> 00:40:48,986
Speaker 4: I'm the one who's who's driving that and driving us

984
00:40:48,986 --> 00:40:50,986
Speaker 4: trying to get better and so yeah, but those are

985
00:40:51,026 --> 00:40:53,466
Speaker 4: hard decisions. I can't sit here and tell you I

986
00:40:53,586 --> 00:40:56,346
Speaker 4: know for certain right. Decision making under uncertainty is because

987
00:40:56,386 --> 00:40:59,546
Speaker 4: you don't know. But you have to have a good process,

988
00:40:59,626 --> 00:41:02,026
Speaker 4: make your bets, and ultimately with the consequences. And that's

989
00:41:02,026 --> 00:41:03,306
Speaker 4: what we do in this building.

990
00:41:07,866 --> 00:41:09,946
Speaker 1: Really quick, a couple quick hitters, and then we'll let

991
00:41:09,986 --> 00:41:12,186
Speaker 1: you go because this has been really informative and we've

992
00:41:12,186 --> 00:41:14,786
Speaker 1: got to know you at a different level than just transaction.

993
00:41:15,026 --> 00:41:15,386
Speaker 2: X y Z.

994
00:41:15,546 --> 00:41:19,946
Speaker 1: Here's how it was done. Your greatest mentor of your career,

995
00:41:20,066 --> 00:41:21,666
Speaker 1: who you would point to and say this is the

996
00:41:21,706 --> 00:41:24,066
Speaker 1: person I take leadership lessons from would be.

997
00:41:23,986 --> 00:41:27,546
Speaker 4: Who oh man, come on, it's like name of my

998
00:41:27,586 --> 00:41:30,266
Speaker 4: top five rappers. Man, I'm going to hurt somebody if

999
00:41:30,266 --> 00:41:32,786
Speaker 4: I leave them out. Yeah, I got a name, one.

1000
00:41:32,986 --> 00:41:34,866
Speaker 1: Name, two or three. Let me hear the names. I

1001
00:41:34,906 --> 00:41:35,266
Speaker 1: love this.

1002
00:41:35,226 --> 00:41:38,546
Speaker 4: Stuff, all right, Okay, I'm going to go Andrew Berry. Obviously,

1003
00:41:38,586 --> 00:41:41,866
Speaker 4: I think he's a superhuman. I don't sometimes don't know

1004
00:41:41,906 --> 00:41:44,306
Speaker 4: if there's anybody more qualified to do this job than him.

1005
00:41:44,706 --> 00:41:48,066
Speaker 4: John Lynch, just the genuineness with which he conducts business,

1006
00:41:48,426 --> 00:41:48,866
Speaker 4: open mind.

1007
00:41:48,906 --> 00:41:50,466
Speaker 3: It is like all the stuff I talk about. Just

1008
00:41:50,746 --> 00:41:52,146
Speaker 3: really a hero of mine.

1009
00:41:52,146 --> 00:41:54,906
Speaker 4: And then if I can give you like an off one, yeah,

1010
00:41:54,946 --> 00:41:57,506
Speaker 4: you know, outside of football, My mom my hero.

1011
00:41:57,746 --> 00:41:57,986
Speaker 3: You know.

1012
00:41:58,066 --> 00:42:00,626
Speaker 4: I think she's an incredible person. She taught me how

1013
00:42:00,666 --> 00:42:03,786
Speaker 4: to lead her way. Her way was demanding process. She

1014
00:42:03,826 --> 00:42:06,706
Speaker 4: always demanded that I tried hard. It was never what

1015
00:42:06,746 --> 00:42:08,346
Speaker 4: happened at the end of the result. It was hey,

1016
00:42:08,466 --> 00:42:10,386
Speaker 4: well what did you put into it? Can you get

1017
00:42:10,386 --> 00:42:14,866
Speaker 4: better next time? Her emotional just compassion for people, and

1018
00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:16,786
Speaker 4: that's how I try and lead. I need people to

1019
00:42:16,786 --> 00:42:18,386
Speaker 4: know that I care about him a lot, and that's

1020
00:42:18,386 --> 00:42:19,466
Speaker 4: something that's big with Kevin.

1021
00:42:19,626 --> 00:42:21,626
Speaker 3: So I'd be remiss to not mention her as well.

1022
00:42:21,866 --> 00:42:25,306
Speaker 1: I love it. The unsung member of the Minnesota Vikings

1023
00:42:25,426 --> 00:42:28,146
Speaker 1: roster that people might not talk enough about that you

1024
00:42:28,186 --> 00:42:29,746
Speaker 1: guys look at and You're like, that guy's a core

1025
00:42:29,786 --> 00:42:30,626
Speaker 1: pillar to what we're doing.

1026
00:42:30,986 --> 00:42:33,466
Speaker 4: Josh man Tellis, Josh man Tellis, I think he's a

1027
00:42:33,506 --> 00:42:35,066
Speaker 4: guy go on talk.

1028
00:42:35,226 --> 00:42:37,066
Speaker 1: Because I hear that name. I'm like, I don't see

1029
00:42:37,266 --> 00:42:37,946
Speaker 1: you know, Okay.

1030
00:42:37,786 --> 00:42:40,346
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's a safety and he'll play some more

1031
00:42:40,426 --> 00:42:41,986
Speaker 4: this year, so I think you'll see the stuff that

1032
00:42:41,986 --> 00:42:44,906
Speaker 4: we've seen before that. But he was a special teams

1033
00:42:44,986 --> 00:42:47,866
Speaker 4: just stalwart last year, team captain type. You know, I

1034
00:42:47,906 --> 00:42:50,226
Speaker 4: was in the team meeting room when later in the season,

1035
00:42:50,266 --> 00:42:52,466
Speaker 4: after somebody got hurt, he was giving team captain and

1036
00:42:52,506 --> 00:42:55,506
Speaker 4: you could feel when somebody's teammates really love them, really

1037
00:42:55,626 --> 00:42:58,146
Speaker 4: appreciate them, and really want to follow them into battle.

1038
00:42:58,266 --> 00:43:00,306
Speaker 3: And he's one of those guys. He's somebody.

1039
00:43:00,346 --> 00:43:03,386
Speaker 4: He's everything that the Minnesota Vikings are about, and I

1040
00:43:03,386 --> 00:43:05,546
Speaker 4: think the fans and people are going to really appreciate

1041
00:43:05,586 --> 00:43:06,386
Speaker 4: that more this season.

1042
00:43:06,626 --> 00:43:09,146
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins' best quality is what.

1043
00:43:09,626 --> 00:43:12,506
Speaker 4: He can make every throw. His arm talent, he's he's accurate,

1044
00:43:12,546 --> 00:43:16,066
Speaker 4: he can hit every level throw. The decision making is

1045
00:43:16,506 --> 00:43:19,506
Speaker 4: really solid. The game of football is you hold that ball,

1046
00:43:19,586 --> 00:43:22,106
Speaker 4: that beautiful ball that means everything, and you got to

1047
00:43:22,106 --> 00:43:23,506
Speaker 4: make sure that you take care of it. You don't

1048
00:43:23,506 --> 00:43:25,386
Speaker 4: give it to the other team, and you take chances

1049
00:43:25,386 --> 00:43:27,586
Speaker 4: when it's time. And obviously he would tell you could

1050
00:43:27,546 --> 00:43:29,146
Speaker 4: always improve, but that's one of the best things he

1051
00:43:29,186 --> 00:43:31,106
Speaker 4: does is make sure that he gives us a chance

1052
00:43:31,146 --> 00:43:33,306
Speaker 4: to win every Sunday, which he has done a time

1053
00:43:33,346 --> 00:43:34,346
Speaker 4: and time again in his career.

1054
00:43:34,666 --> 00:43:36,426
Speaker 1: Your top three rappers are.

1055
00:43:36,306 --> 00:43:41,466
Speaker 4: Whom well, okay, I came up in that era. Notorious, Notorious,

1056
00:43:42,026 --> 00:43:44,506
Speaker 4: that's my guy. You know, I'm an East Coast guy

1057
00:43:44,546 --> 00:43:46,306
Speaker 4: and just loved him, everything about him.

1058
00:43:46,146 --> 00:43:46,506
Speaker 3: His flow.

1059
00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:48,746
Speaker 1: See, I would think Philly, I would immediately go to

1060
00:43:48,786 --> 00:43:50,826
Speaker 1: these Philly rappers, but you're a South Jersey guy.

1061
00:43:51,386 --> 00:43:52,506
Speaker 3: I'm a South Jersey guy.

1062
00:43:52,706 --> 00:43:54,826
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're talking about all time, right,

1063
00:43:54,946 --> 00:43:56,306
Speaker 4: this is all time, all time.

1064
00:43:56,306 --> 00:43:58,946
Speaker 3: I gotta go him. You know, I'm a huge jay

1065
00:43:59,026 --> 00:43:59,946
Speaker 3: Z fan, yep.

1066
00:44:00,626 --> 00:44:04,506
Speaker 4: Just you know his style, his charisma, his lyrics, his

1067
00:44:04,546 --> 00:44:06,946
Speaker 4: ability to talk about things just in different ways. And

1068
00:44:06,946 --> 00:44:08,946
Speaker 4: then you talk about what he's become as a mogul,

1069
00:44:09,306 --> 00:44:12,226
Speaker 4: different areas of his life. Just an incredible and I

1070
00:44:12,226 --> 00:44:14,626
Speaker 4: don't know that I'm allowed to say this person anymore

1071
00:44:14,666 --> 00:44:15,946
Speaker 4: just because of how it's become.

1072
00:44:15,986 --> 00:44:17,506
Speaker 3: But I was a big Kanye fan.

1073
00:44:17,546 --> 00:44:19,346
Speaker 1: I think there his music is still genius.

1074
00:44:19,586 --> 00:44:22,346
Speaker 4: He's a genius, right, I think he's an unbelievable creative.

1075
00:44:22,906 --> 00:44:25,106
Speaker 4: You know, just somebody I've always been impressed with. I

1076
00:44:25,106 --> 00:44:28,106
Speaker 4: think what something I love about musicians is their ability

1077
00:44:28,106 --> 00:44:32,266
Speaker 4: to elicit feelings listen, you know, create feelings for other people.

1078
00:44:32,466 --> 00:44:35,866
Speaker 4: And he's somebody just I can think back to very

1079
00:44:35,946 --> 00:44:39,706
Speaker 4: vivid memories in my life, happy, sad, elated, whatever it is.

1080
00:44:39,746 --> 00:44:41,906
Speaker 4: And there's a Kanye song that kind of will play

1081
00:44:41,906 --> 00:44:42,746
Speaker 4: in the background to it.

1082
00:44:43,746 --> 00:44:46,306
Speaker 1: And then my last one. Your message to Vikings fans

1083
00:44:46,466 --> 00:44:48,906
Speaker 1: about this twenty twenty three team and what you guys

1084
00:44:48,946 --> 00:44:49,986
Speaker 1: hope to do moving forward.

1085
00:44:50,346 --> 00:44:53,186
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think it's a little bit of unknowns, right.

1086
00:44:53,346 --> 00:44:55,066
Speaker 4: You've moved on for some of the players that you've

1087
00:44:55,066 --> 00:44:56,626
Speaker 4: come to know and love, and we've got to take

1088
00:44:56,946 --> 00:45:00,346
Speaker 4: a chance together to really appreciate and embrace these young players.

1089
00:45:00,346 --> 00:45:02,386
Speaker 4: But you know, they've been on this team, they're learning

1090
00:45:02,386 --> 00:45:05,266
Speaker 4: this culture. We're really excited about what we are. We're younger,

1091
00:45:05,466 --> 00:45:08,106
Speaker 4: you know, we're fast, we're hungry. We've got two great

1092
00:45:08,146 --> 00:45:10,826
Speaker 4: coaches on both sides of the ball. Kevin obviously, West

1093
00:45:10,826 --> 00:45:13,226
Speaker 4: Phillips is offensive cording to Brian Flores, who you know,

1094
00:45:13,226 --> 00:45:15,186
Speaker 4: we have closed the man we haven't talked about, but

1095
00:45:15,186 --> 00:45:17,746
Speaker 4: he's he's a special cat. And so I think people

1096
00:45:17,746 --> 00:45:20,586
Speaker 4: are gonna love what they see and we're building towards

1097
00:45:20,626 --> 00:45:23,186
Speaker 4: something great. I just just know that they know that

1098
00:45:23,626 --> 00:45:25,506
Speaker 4: our goal is to win at the highest level, and

1099
00:45:25,546 --> 00:45:27,906
Speaker 4: that's how we're gonna measure myself over these these years

1100
00:45:27,946 --> 00:45:30,066
Speaker 4: that they give me a chance, and uh, you know,

1101
00:45:30,106 --> 00:45:32,346
Speaker 4: that's what we're trying to aspire to in every move

1102
00:45:32,386 --> 00:45:33,986
Speaker 4: that we make is with that in mind.

1103
00:45:34,226 --> 00:45:36,826
Speaker 1: We didn't even mention justin Jefferson's name, we didn't mention

1104
00:45:37,786 --> 00:45:40,106
Speaker 1: Howkinson's name. Like, there's so many guys we can go

1105
00:45:40,146 --> 00:45:43,146
Speaker 1: through here, but real quick, the first round pick Addison,

1106
00:45:43,186 --> 00:45:45,226
Speaker 1: who we haven't seen in an NFL field yet, you

1107
00:45:45,306 --> 00:45:47,986
Speaker 1: scattered him obviously. I love I love him coming out.

1108
00:45:48,426 --> 00:45:50,426
Speaker 1: We're gonna draft you, We're gonna get paid, and you're like,

1109
00:45:50,506 --> 00:45:53,826
Speaker 1: g You're like, well, we're gonna pay you what you're paid,

1110
00:45:53,826 --> 00:45:56,026
Speaker 1: but yes, maybe in the second contract. What do we

1111
00:45:56,026 --> 00:45:58,186
Speaker 1: get out of Jordan Addison so far since he's been

1112
00:45:58,226 --> 00:45:59,946
Speaker 1: around just in rookie camp and whatever else.

1113
00:46:00,346 --> 00:46:02,706
Speaker 4: And it's so funny that that was the interaction people saw.

1114
00:46:03,026 --> 00:46:06,106
Speaker 4: He is he is so quiet, works his butt off,

1115
00:46:06,466 --> 00:46:08,746
Speaker 4: U super cerebral studies as plays.

1116
00:46:09,306 --> 00:46:10,866
Speaker 1: Because I feel like it was a natural thing to say.

1117
00:46:10,866 --> 00:46:14,226
Speaker 1: He didn't mean like financially, we're gonna get you say.

1118
00:46:14,626 --> 00:46:17,026
Speaker 4: I say to everybody, if if they've just achieved their

1119
00:46:17,066 --> 00:46:19,426
Speaker 4: childhood dream, what comes out of their mouth might not

1120
00:46:19,426 --> 00:46:20,746
Speaker 4: be what they think comes out of their mouth.

1121
00:46:20,866 --> 00:46:22,386
Speaker 3: And so but now he's incredible.

1122
00:46:22,386 --> 00:46:25,066
Speaker 4: You talk about an elite separator off the line of scrimmage,

1123
00:46:25,346 --> 00:46:28,906
Speaker 4: he just he just understands body feel, leverage, how to separate,

1124
00:46:29,226 --> 00:46:30,106
Speaker 4: get open from guys.

1125
00:46:30,146 --> 00:46:32,146
Speaker 3: Really good hands, good after the catch up.

1126
00:46:32,146 --> 00:46:33,986
Speaker 4: We're really excited to have them, and we're gonna make

1127
00:46:33,986 --> 00:46:35,666
Speaker 4: teams think about what they want to do to us

1128
00:46:35,666 --> 00:46:37,746
Speaker 4: on the offense side of the football. With that alien

1129
00:46:37,946 --> 00:46:40,786
Speaker 4: Justinett Jefferson and the TJ and then Jordan and then

1130
00:46:40,866 --> 00:46:43,066
Speaker 4: kJ and the run game, we're gonna get going. It's

1131
00:46:43,106 --> 00:46:44,586
Speaker 4: just we got we got a lot of options so

1132
00:46:44,586 --> 00:46:46,626
Speaker 4: we can we can stress defenses, and we're really excited

1133
00:46:46,666 --> 00:46:47,946
Speaker 4: about what we're going to be doing on that side

1134
00:46:47,946 --> 00:46:48,266
Speaker 4: of the ball.

1135
00:46:48,466 --> 00:46:50,626
Speaker 1: You got things to do. I appreciate you so much

1136
00:46:50,626 --> 00:46:52,866
Speaker 1: for taking the time and in another interview we'll talk

1137
00:46:52,866 --> 00:46:54,586
Speaker 1: about the backdoor pass and what it means to Princeton

1138
00:46:54,626 --> 00:46:56,706
Speaker 1: basketball and why do you have to execute it and

1139
00:46:56,746 --> 00:46:58,986
Speaker 1: why Pete Carmody was just as good as Pete curlew okay,

1140
00:47:00,386 --> 00:47:02,386
Speaker 1: Pete Carmony or Bill Carmondy. What was his car?

1141
00:47:02,626 --> 00:47:02,826
Speaker 3: Bill?

1142
00:47:02,826 --> 00:47:06,746
Speaker 1: Bill Cardy? I loved Princeton basketball and Crazy loved our

1143
00:47:06,786 --> 00:47:09,426
Speaker 1: time together. Dude, thank you so much for taking all

1144
00:47:09,426 --> 00:47:11,466
Speaker 1: this time, especially where there's mandatory mini camps and you're

1145
00:47:11,466 --> 00:47:13,306
Speaker 1: not sitting on the beach. We really appreciate it.

1146
00:47:13,386 --> 00:47:14,546
Speaker 3: Shrake's always a pleasure man.

1147
00:47:14,746 --> 00:47:18,346
Speaker 1: Crazy's unbelievable. I just think he's really authentic and he

1148
00:47:18,426 --> 00:47:20,186
Speaker 1: is who he is, and he's made really tough decisions

1149
00:47:21,026 --> 00:47:23,546
Speaker 1: and Aaron, you're listening to him. I kind of. I

1150
00:47:23,586 --> 00:47:25,666
Speaker 1: didn't mean to dismiss the other types of gms who

1151
00:47:25,706 --> 00:47:29,226
Speaker 1: are lifetime scouts, but like, his background is not a

1152
00:47:29,306 --> 00:47:31,906
Speaker 1: linear Hey, you do this. You work in an organization

1153
00:47:31,946 --> 00:47:34,186
Speaker 1: for fifteen years as the VP of personnel, You scout

1154
00:47:34,186 --> 00:47:37,026
Speaker 1: the Southeast region, you scout the Southwest region. You eventually

1155
00:47:37,546 --> 00:47:40,266
Speaker 1: go to college and do I don't know what you think.

1156
00:47:40,426 --> 00:47:41,666
Speaker 1: You find him really impressive.

1157
00:47:41,986 --> 00:47:44,786
Speaker 2: I loved him. I mean, I love anyone who's in

1158
00:47:44,826 --> 00:47:48,626
Speaker 2: a high position who's also like I am, not like

1159
00:47:49,426 --> 00:47:51,426
Speaker 2: worried about what I don't know. I will go and

1160
00:47:51,466 --> 00:47:53,706
Speaker 2: ask someone I'm not going to be self conscious about

1161
00:47:53,706 --> 00:47:56,026
Speaker 2: saying I don't get the run scheme. Tell me about

1162
00:47:56,026 --> 00:47:59,186
Speaker 2: the run game and learning from those people who know it,

1163
00:47:59,226 --> 00:48:01,746
Speaker 2: and then like making decisions with that. So I love

1164
00:48:01,866 --> 00:48:04,626
Speaker 2: I love his whole vibe. I was texting my Vikings

1165
00:48:04,626 --> 00:48:07,426
Speaker 2: friends throughout. I was like, we've got this Guy's amazing.

1166
00:48:07,786 --> 00:48:09,066
Speaker 2: You guys should be very happy.

1167
00:48:09,146 --> 00:48:11,426
Speaker 1: I'll tell you though, it's funny because there's a humility

1168
00:48:11,426 --> 00:48:12,946
Speaker 1: in there, and he could be arrogant, he could be

1169
00:48:12,986 --> 00:48:14,306
Speaker 1: a know it all. He could come off that way

1170
00:48:14,346 --> 00:48:18,226
Speaker 1: because when you start mentioning Princeton and Stanford and the

1171
00:48:18,266 --> 00:48:20,986
Speaker 1: word analytics in the NFL, people are very quickly turned

1172
00:48:21,026 --> 00:48:22,906
Speaker 1: off and say, oh, here we go. Here comes the

1173
00:48:22,906 --> 00:48:24,186
Speaker 1: nerd in the room or the know it all in

1174
00:48:24,186 --> 00:48:28,186
Speaker 1: the room. But his humility is so disarming that he says,

1175
00:48:28,306 --> 00:48:29,866
Speaker 1: I just want to learn and I want to be

1176
00:48:29,906 --> 00:48:32,106
Speaker 1: the best I can be and help others. And it's

1177
00:48:32,146 --> 00:48:34,546
Speaker 1: almost like that approach to it. How could you do

1178
00:48:34,586 --> 00:48:35,746
Speaker 1: anything but root for that guy?

1179
00:48:36,266 --> 00:48:39,066
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he was great about talking about how

1180
00:48:39,066 --> 00:48:42,506
Speaker 2: difficult some of the roster decisions are. But he seemed

1181
00:48:42,546 --> 00:48:44,826
Speaker 2: so thoughtful about it too. I don't know not to

1182
00:48:44,986 --> 00:48:47,066
Speaker 2: just like kiss up to him, but I thought he

1183
00:48:47,146 --> 00:48:47,506
Speaker 2: was great.

1184
00:48:47,586 --> 00:48:51,386
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, very quick transition, yet one of the

1185
00:48:51,426 --> 00:48:54,746
Speaker 1: most startling left turns we can do, from talking football

1186
00:48:54,786 --> 00:48:59,666
Speaker 1: with Quasi Adofo Mensa to something you told Jason English

1187
00:48:59,706 --> 00:49:04,786
Speaker 1: and I Jason, of course our iHeart partner. Here we

1188
00:49:04,786 --> 00:49:07,866
Speaker 1: were in between transitions and you were talking about the

1189
00:49:07,906 --> 00:49:09,546
Speaker 1: Tonys and he said that you have a love for

1190
00:49:09,666 --> 00:49:12,586
Speaker 1: theater as well, and in passing, I said, you know

1191
00:49:12,706 --> 00:49:16,786
Speaker 1: Leah Michelle, she performed, but she wasn't nominated, and you

1192
00:49:16,866 --> 00:49:19,826
Speaker 1: went through the rules that she wasn't eligible because she

1193
00:49:19,866 --> 00:49:22,946
Speaker 1: didn't originate the rule. And then you mentioned that you

1194
00:49:23,506 --> 00:49:26,186
Speaker 1: knew some of the people because so.

1195
00:49:26,386 --> 00:49:29,546
Speaker 2: Alex Knewell who won last night. I know Alex because

1196
00:49:29,546 --> 00:49:33,426
Speaker 2: the two of us auditioned together for Glee, and go on.

1197
00:49:34,466 --> 00:49:36,546
Speaker 1: I've known you for a year. I know you tried

1198
00:49:36,586 --> 00:49:37,386
Speaker 1: out for Glee.

1199
00:49:38,186 --> 00:49:40,146
Speaker 2: It was, you know, a different iteration of my life,

1200
00:49:40,226 --> 00:49:43,906
Speaker 2: but specifically for the Glee Project, which was like the

1201
00:49:43,906 --> 00:49:49,026
Speaker 2: feeding program into Glee and I was living in Houston

1202
00:49:49,066 --> 00:49:52,026
Speaker 2: at the time. I think sent in like a video.

1203
00:49:51,746 --> 00:49:53,546
Speaker 1: On how old high school college?

1204
00:49:53,546 --> 00:49:55,146
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, this was post college.

1205
00:49:55,186 --> 00:49:56,826
Speaker 1: I was post college, like I'm going to try out

1206
00:49:56,866 --> 00:49:58,386
Speaker 1: for the show Glee or the Glee.

1207
00:49:58,146 --> 00:50:02,626
Speaker 2: Prop early twenties, early twenties. Yeah. I remember like texting

1208
00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:04,706
Speaker 2: some of my friends and I was like, could I

1209
00:50:04,786 --> 00:50:07,306
Speaker 2: pass as like a high school student? And they're like, yes,

1210
00:50:07,786 --> 00:50:10,186
Speaker 2: like you could pass as a high school student now,

1211
00:50:10,346 --> 00:50:14,506
Speaker 2: like you know, so auditioned made it through. However, many rounds.

1212
00:50:14,586 --> 00:50:16,266
Speaker 2: They flew us out to LA and one of the

1213
00:50:16,346 --> 00:50:20,626
Speaker 2: first people I met was Alex, and like immediately hit

1214
00:50:20,706 --> 00:50:26,546
Speaker 2: it off with Alex. Was blown away by how incredible

1215
00:50:26,786 --> 00:50:29,706
Speaker 2: Alex's voice was, like from this is I don't know

1216
00:50:29,866 --> 00:50:33,186
Speaker 2: how many years ago, absolutely incredible. I think Alex was

1217
00:50:33,226 --> 00:50:34,306
Speaker 2: coming from high school.

1218
00:50:34,986 --> 00:50:37,586
Speaker 1: And Alex goes on to get cast it in Glee.

1219
00:50:37,626 --> 00:50:40,906
Speaker 1: You do not, And then now Alex wins best lead

1220
00:50:41,346 --> 00:50:44,066
Speaker 1: in a musical for the role in Shucked.

1221
00:50:44,586 --> 00:50:45,426
Speaker 2: Yes, Shucked.

1222
00:50:45,746 --> 00:50:47,666
Speaker 1: Are you close enough with Alex where you would text

1223
00:50:47,666 --> 00:50:49,946
Speaker 1: Alex this morning and be like, no.

1224
00:50:50,186 --> 00:50:52,906
Speaker 2: Not texting me this morning, not texting this morning, but like,

1225
00:50:53,346 --> 00:50:55,106
Speaker 2: you know, we've seen each other in New York, and

1226
00:50:55,106 --> 00:50:58,946
Speaker 2: I've seen Alex perform other shows. But yeah, I'm not

1227
00:50:59,146 --> 00:51:02,066
Speaker 2: like last night. I'm not running to my phone to

1228
00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:05,226
Speaker 2: text Alex kind of thing. But yeah, no, Alex is

1229
00:51:05,266 --> 00:51:08,866
Speaker 2: absolutely incredible. I mean, they're probably like five or six

1230
00:51:08,946 --> 00:51:11,026
Speaker 2: vocalists that I've worked with in my life where I'm like,

1231
00:51:12,066 --> 00:51:15,346
Speaker 2: I sing and I don't understand what you're doing.

1232
00:51:15,546 --> 00:51:17,666
Speaker 1: Who are the other vocalists? Give me? I just put

1233
00:51:17,666 --> 00:51:20,026
Speaker 1: on Kosi on and he gave me. Not gonna say

1234
00:51:20,026 --> 00:51:22,626
Speaker 1: stock answers, but you couldn't get wrong saying Bigie, jay

1235
00:51:22,706 --> 00:51:26,706
Speaker 1: Z and Kanye First, the ones that you've seen in person,

1236
00:51:26,746 --> 00:51:31,106
Speaker 1: and then your greatest vocalist in the history. Do you go, Jay, Selene,

1237
00:51:31,266 --> 00:51:34,226
Speaker 1: do you go Luther Van Dross, may a woman, you go?

1238
00:51:34,266 --> 00:51:36,266
Speaker 1: Anywhere you want. Let's start with the ones that you've

1239
00:51:36,306 --> 00:51:37,506
Speaker 1: seen in person.

1240
00:51:37,506 --> 00:51:40,946
Speaker 2: Seen and worked with. Alex is probably number one. There's

1241
00:51:40,986 --> 00:51:43,346
Speaker 2: an opera singer I worked with in Houston named Kenneth

1242
00:51:43,386 --> 00:51:46,386
Speaker 2: Gale who performed here at Carnegie Hall maybe two or

1243
00:51:46,426 --> 00:51:48,346
Speaker 2: three months ago. I went and got to see Ken perform.

1244
00:51:48,466 --> 00:51:52,346
Speaker 2: Ken is like just the most powerful voice. That long

1245
00:51:52,386 --> 00:51:54,746
Speaker 2: story to this, but the short version is I was

1246
00:51:54,826 --> 00:51:57,266
Speaker 2: once on a yacht, like in the middle of the

1247
00:51:57,306 --> 00:52:00,946
Speaker 2: ocean as Ken is performing Nesting Dorma and like on

1248
00:52:01,106 --> 00:52:05,866
Speaker 2: the deck of the boat and it's amazing. And then yeah, yeah,

1249
00:52:06,506 --> 00:52:11,346
Speaker 2: two long start yeah. And then I would say probably

1250
00:52:11,386 --> 00:52:16,946
Speaker 2: the third vocalist. There's a singer in Houston, Sarah Golden,

1251
00:52:17,306 --> 00:52:21,986
Speaker 2: who was on the voice and now she does performances

1252
00:52:22,026 --> 00:52:25,066
Speaker 2: for like the Astros, like doing national anthem and stuff.

1253
00:52:26,226 --> 00:52:28,786
Speaker 2: And Sarah just plays the guitar and I wrote some

1254
00:52:28,906 --> 00:52:30,706
Speaker 2: songs and sang with her a bunch when we were

1255
00:52:30,706 --> 00:52:34,786
Speaker 2: in Houston, and Sarah's voice just is outstanding. And then

1256
00:52:34,786 --> 00:52:37,186
Speaker 2: I have another friend from Houston, Trisha Fox, who the

1257
00:52:37,186 --> 00:52:41,106
Speaker 2: two of us sang together and like we Her voice

1258
00:52:41,146 --> 00:52:43,226
Speaker 2: is so different from mine, and yet the two of

1259
00:52:43,306 --> 00:52:45,786
Speaker 2: us sounded like we were siblings, Like our voice is blended.

1260
00:52:45,826 --> 00:52:48,226
Speaker 2: So that's a long thing. So and then the love

1261
00:52:49,066 --> 00:52:52,426
Speaker 2: singers that I would say like their voices are the

1262
00:52:52,466 --> 00:52:56,386
Speaker 2: ones I'm always impressed with Torri Kelly, like for the

1263
00:52:56,426 --> 00:52:57,746
Speaker 2: modern vocalist.

1264
00:52:57,826 --> 00:53:02,026
Speaker 1: I loved Kelly in the sing movies. Yes Yeah, beautiful

1265
00:53:02,106 --> 00:53:03,266
Speaker 1: voice in those films.

1266
00:53:03,506 --> 00:53:08,906
Speaker 2: There's a video of her on YouTube performing pyt by

1267
00:53:08,906 --> 00:53:11,066
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, and she has this vocal lick.

1268
00:53:11,426 --> 00:53:13,186
Speaker 1: I want to say Tory was one of the original

1269
00:53:13,186 --> 00:53:15,986
Speaker 1: Scooter Braun finds too right, Like didn't Scooter find Toy

1270
00:53:16,146 --> 00:53:16,746
Speaker 1: and help bring.

1271
00:53:16,586 --> 00:53:18,946
Speaker 2: Her to fame okay on YouTube? And she's just like

1272
00:53:18,986 --> 00:53:22,706
Speaker 2: sitting there, like playing guitar and singing. And I've worked

1273
00:53:22,706 --> 00:53:25,186
Speaker 2: with other people who've worked with her. I think her

1274
00:53:25,306 --> 00:53:32,226
Speaker 2: voice is unbelievable. There's another current one. Her name's Nao.

1275
00:53:32,346 --> 00:53:35,306
Speaker 2: I think it's now. I don't know the actual pronunciation.

1276
00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:41,466
Speaker 2: Her voice does like these octave jumps that are ough incredible,

1277
00:53:42,746 --> 00:53:45,986
Speaker 2: and then like I have to go with like Nina

1278
00:53:46,026 --> 00:53:50,346
Speaker 2: Simone is yea, her voice is. If I could only

1279
00:53:50,386 --> 00:53:52,106
Speaker 2: listen to one thing and it was her voice, I

1280
00:53:52,106 --> 00:53:53,346
Speaker 2: would be completely happy.

1281
00:53:53,426 --> 00:53:56,466
Speaker 1: It's just those are not stock answers. You could have

1282
00:53:56,546 --> 00:54:01,786
Speaker 1: very easily, said Mariah Whitney Celine Dion, and you know,

1283
00:54:01,986 --> 00:54:05,626
Speaker 1: here we go. I'm gonna go, Barry Manilo, Luther Vandross

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Speaker 1: whoever you know you want to go. I appreciate those answers.

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Speaker 1: This is the most cultured podcast we've ever done. I

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00:54:12,866 --> 00:54:17,146
Speaker 1: love this. I love this because I'm a geek for it. Look,

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Speaker 1: I always say this and my wife and I we

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Speaker 1: try to do it as often as possible. We live

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Speaker 1: in New York City. When you choose to live in

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Speaker 1: New York City, if you don't take advantage of the arts,

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Speaker 1: if you don't take advantage of the restaurants, you're not

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Speaker 1: getting the biggest bang for your buck. And you could

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00:54:32,746 --> 00:54:34,906
Speaker 1: say New York is dead. You could say that you

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00:54:34,986 --> 00:54:36,866
Speaker 1: know it's time to move out and go set up

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00:54:36,946 --> 00:54:39,386
Speaker 1: shop in Austin or Malibu or whatever the people want

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00:54:39,426 --> 00:54:42,106
Speaker 1: to do. But there might be no cooler night out

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00:54:42,226 --> 00:54:44,826
Speaker 1: than a going to see a Broadway show and getting

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00:54:44,826 --> 00:54:47,426
Speaker 1: a great meal, or b going to like a small

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00:54:47,546 --> 00:54:52,146
Speaker 1: club north of one hundred Street and seeing a musician

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00:54:52,306 --> 00:54:54,706
Speaker 1: grind it out, and whether that be Lady Gaga when

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Speaker 1: she was getting started, or whether that be you name it,

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00:54:59,186 --> 00:55:01,986
Speaker 1: a young musician. Like, that's pretty cool stuff. Have you

1303
00:55:01,986 --> 00:55:03,946
Speaker 1: ever heard of the Potash Twins. I'm gonna throw you

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Speaker 1: for a loop here, the Potest Twins.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned them like la week. Do you know that?

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00:55:08,546 --> 00:55:10,786
Speaker 2: I didn't know them? So I looked them up after that.

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Speaker 2: I like, yeah, didn't know them beforehand.

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Speaker 1: I'm really rooting for them. They are two twin brothers.

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Speaker 1: They're twenty nine years old. They're from Omaha, Nebraska. They

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Speaker 1: played trombone and trumpet and I got to know what

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00:55:23,026 --> 00:55:25,746
Speaker 1: the charity thing last week for Big Slick. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: be greater young men, and like they're really good. And

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Speaker 1: I went on YouTube and on Spotify and it's all

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Speaker 1: originals and that's cool. But what they did at the

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00:55:33,586 --> 00:55:36,546
Speaker 1: Big Slick was they played Benny and the Jets and

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Speaker 1: like dueling instruments and it was amazing. And they said

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00:55:40,386 --> 00:55:42,546
Speaker 1: that they work with all these hip hop artists and

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00:55:42,626 --> 00:55:46,306
Speaker 1: like whether it be t Paine or whether it be Drake,

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00:55:46,426 --> 00:55:49,866
Speaker 1: like they've been featured on their stuff. But I don't know,

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00:55:49,986 --> 00:55:52,186
Speaker 1: I think that's really cool. Like a young musician who

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00:55:52,226 --> 00:55:55,266
Speaker 1: plays trumpet and trombone performing with Drake sounds like it's

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Speaker 1: pretty badass and that's very New York.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of the great things too, like obviously

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00:56:01,346 --> 00:56:03,586
Speaker 2: not everyone can afford to go see a Broadway show.

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00:56:03,666 --> 00:56:05,786
Speaker 2: There's so many off Broadway shows, or you can like

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00:56:06,226 --> 00:56:10,626
Speaker 2: go see Broadway performers at fifty four below, Like I've

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00:56:10,746 --> 00:56:16,346
Speaker 2: seen Broadway stars do these small like cabaret style performances,

1329
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Speaker 2: which is like.

1330
00:56:17,226 --> 00:56:18,786
Speaker 1: Another way Sherry Lane Theater.

1331
00:56:18,946 --> 00:56:20,706
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Unless Etharge and I have become friendly because of her

1333
00:56:23,706 --> 00:56:27,906
Speaker 1: Chief's fandom, and she shows up on the Tony's Last

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00:56:27,986 --> 00:56:30,586
Speaker 1: Night like presenting and I'm like, geez, Melissa, so I

1335
00:56:30,746 --> 00:56:33,346
Speaker 1: direct messaged her. I'm like, so great seeing you. She's

1336
00:56:33,386 --> 00:56:35,906
Speaker 1: got a Broadway show called I Think My Window or

1337
00:56:35,986 --> 00:56:38,426
Speaker 1: Come to My Window coming out in September, and it's

1338
00:56:38,546 --> 00:56:41,906
Speaker 1: based on all her book, her song, her soundtracks, all

1339
00:56:41,946 --> 00:56:45,026
Speaker 1: that stuff, and it was off Broadway, and I'm like,

1340
00:56:45,106 --> 00:56:47,546
Speaker 1: that's how it goes, like do you good enough? Off Broadway?

1341
00:56:47,586 --> 00:56:49,026
Speaker 1: Do well enough? It's gonna be a Broadway show. And

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping for her because she's one of the coolest

1343
00:56:51,906 --> 00:56:55,706
Speaker 1: people I've ever met as far as celebrities go. I'm

1344
00:56:55,746 --> 00:56:58,986
Speaker 1: really hoping it's a success. There was another thing I

1345
00:56:58,986 --> 00:57:01,266
Speaker 1: want to say, like that good Night Oscar that Sean

1346
00:57:01,346 --> 00:57:03,506
Speaker 1: Hayes did, Like that started in Chicago and then it

1347
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Speaker 1: was off Broadway here then it was not like that's

1348
00:57:06,226 --> 00:57:07,946
Speaker 1: the stuff, man, that's cool. I love that.

1349
00:57:08,506 --> 00:57:10,666
Speaker 2: Like this is not a new show by any means,

1350
00:57:10,786 --> 00:57:13,186
Speaker 2: but I'd be remiss if we left the episode and

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00:57:13,226 --> 00:57:17,306
Speaker 2: I didn't mention these two names. Three names really Hadestown,

1352
00:57:17,426 --> 00:57:19,826
Speaker 2: which I've seen multiple times now I've lucked out and

1353
00:57:19,906 --> 00:57:20,186
Speaker 2: saw it.

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00:57:20,226 --> 00:57:21,426
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, you know, I was supposed to

1355
00:57:21,466 --> 00:57:23,986
Speaker 1: see it then then COVID happened and we never went

1356
00:57:24,066 --> 00:57:26,266
Speaker 1: and saw it. But what a Hadestown is supposed to

1357
00:57:26,306 --> 00:57:27,226
Speaker 1: be unbelievable.

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00:57:27,666 --> 00:57:31,466
Speaker 2: It is amazing. I mean, like there's no shortage of

1359
00:57:31,506 --> 00:57:33,226
Speaker 2: people on the Internet talking about how great it is.

1360
00:57:33,626 --> 00:57:36,946
Speaker 2: I saw it in previews, so I saw the original cast.

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00:57:37,946 --> 00:57:40,746
Speaker 2: Amber Gray is like one of the most unique voices.

1362
00:57:40,826 --> 00:57:43,586
Speaker 2: She's no longer with the show. She's She's done a

1363
00:57:43,626 --> 00:57:47,426
Speaker 2: couple of things post Evan Noble Zada who originated the role.

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00:57:48,506 --> 00:57:50,466
Speaker 2: Actually I don't know if she originated, but she originated

1365
00:57:50,506 --> 00:57:56,986
Speaker 2: on Broadway. Just incredible, incredible performers in that. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: it's one of those things where it's amazing to see

1367
00:58:00,546 --> 00:58:03,746
Speaker 2: a show and then also no, like kind of like

1368
00:58:03,866 --> 00:58:07,706
Speaker 2: a sports team like someone else years Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So haitistown one. What are the other two shows? If

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Speaker 1: you're not a New Yorker and you're in town and

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Speaker 1: you're like, you're not a theater person, but you want

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00:58:12,746 --> 00:58:14,386
Speaker 1: to see what are the other two suggestions?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love six. I don't know if you've

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00:58:17,146 --> 00:58:17,666
Speaker 2: seen six.

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Speaker 1: My wife loved it. I didn't see it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: I think it is incredible. Yeah. And then my number

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Speaker 2: three right now, I mean shucked, even though I haven't

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00:58:31,426 --> 00:58:33,546
Speaker 2: seen it, I guess my number three. My number three

1379
00:58:33,586 --> 00:58:37,386
Speaker 2: would be like what can you get tickets to? Yeah,

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00:58:37,946 --> 00:58:39,786
Speaker 2: and just like surprise yourself with because there are a

1381
00:58:39,906 --> 00:58:43,386
Speaker 2: ton of things, like I said, off Broadway in Brooklyn

1382
00:58:43,546 --> 00:58:45,706
Speaker 2: like that, you never know what it's going to be.

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00:58:45,866 --> 00:58:49,426
Speaker 1: Like Yeah, like that Bruce, that Sydney Bluestein's window. You

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00:58:49,586 --> 00:58:52,826
Speaker 1: get to see Oscar Isaac and he's like baring his

1385
00:58:52,986 --> 00:58:54,866
Speaker 1: soul and it's like, you know, it's for forty bucks,

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00:58:54,946 --> 00:58:57,746
Speaker 1: fifty bucks in person you're watching, you know. The other

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Speaker 1: one was I don't know the name of it, of

1388
00:58:59,906 --> 00:59:02,426
Speaker 1: fans it was at a time, but like Judy Coomer

1389
00:59:02,586 --> 00:59:05,946
Speaker 1: is like just a woven show and you're like, gosh,

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Speaker 1: he's the US at their craft and they're doing it.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think there was a stretch where Bam had like

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00:59:11,746 --> 00:59:14,906
Speaker 2: Oscar Isaac and then like a month later James McAvoy

1394
00:59:15,106 --> 00:59:17,346
Speaker 2: and I mean, just like doing Shakespeare.

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00:59:16,986 --> 00:59:21,306
Speaker 1: They had Bobby conna Olli and rose Byrne together doing something.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, this is the most amazing podcast we've ever done,

1397
00:59:26,066 --> 00:59:28,146
Speaker 1: and that we have probably a bunch of listeners who

1398
00:59:28,186 --> 00:59:31,386
Speaker 1: came in to listen to Kirk Cousin contract analysis, didn't

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00:59:31,426 --> 00:59:34,586
Speaker 1: get it from our interview with Quaycy. And then we're

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Speaker 1: ending with talk about Hadestown and trying out for Glee. Aaron,

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00:59:38,546 --> 00:59:40,226
Speaker 1: That's why we do it. I get to know you

1402
00:59:40,346 --> 00:59:42,346
Speaker 1: more and more every single time we do this. Hopefully

1403
00:59:42,386 --> 00:59:45,146
Speaker 1: you respect my bona fides as we talk Broadway. Can

1404
00:59:45,186 --> 00:59:49,306
Speaker 1: I hold my own? Yeah? Okay? Good to the listeners,

1405
00:59:49,386 --> 00:59:51,226
Speaker 1: we love that you're listening. We're gonna keep going throughout

1406
00:59:51,226 --> 00:59:54,266
Speaker 1: the off season hopefully guests like this. I thought Quaycy

1407
00:59:54,426 --> 00:59:57,306
Speaker 1: was incredible and to those of you guys who listen,

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00:59:57,426 --> 01:00:01,746
Speaker 1: we really appreciate it, and obviously I'd like to thank everyone.

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Speaker 1: That's what we do on this thing. So, Aaron, this

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Speaker 1: was maybe one of my favorites we with you, Aaron

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Speaker 1: Wan Kaufman, you are such a man of many talents.

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01:00:10,346 --> 01:00:14,026
Speaker 1: You are special. Jason English who is always sitting shotgun

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01:00:14,106 --> 01:00:17,826
Speaker 1: and listening from iHeart Matt Schneider of course and his

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Speaker 1: team over there with Jason Kleinman and Meredith Batten and

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Speaker 1: David Jurenka and all the folks back in New York.

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Speaker 1: And then I want to thank Grace Fuz who has

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Speaker 1: been our editor from day one, is fantastic editing these

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Speaker 1: things together. And then Jack Rudd, who is our music man.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Guys, It's the Season with Peter Schregl

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Speaker 1: will hit you next week. Enjoy your Broadway shows. The

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Speaker 1: Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the NFL

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