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Speaker 1: Hi, Brian, Hi Katie, Happy New Year. Happy New Year

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Speaker 1: to you as well into all of you out there

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Speaker 1: have a little announcement to make. We're not only excited

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Speaker 1: we're about to tell you. Drumroll please, we are taking

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Speaker 1: from so many of you over the last year who

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Speaker 1: can have even more topical conversations. And we're beginning this

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Speaker 1: new year with Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzynski. And of

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Speaker 1: course that's Joe of Morning Joe, the political talk show

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Speaker 1: involved and still feel comfortable working for him, I don't

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Speaker 1: think they ever feel I think what's literally not one

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Speaker 1: I can't think of one person. Maybe Kelly and Conway,

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Speaker 1: but but I don't. I think even She's doesn't she's

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Speaker 1: supposedly roll her eyes when people mention this. That's when

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Speaker 1: Michael Wolf reported, And I do know that it's true

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Speaker 1: that she was calling around on election day blaming Ryan's

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Speaker 1: previous That's another thing. I will say that a lot

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Speaker 1: of the good things about this this Wolf book is

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Speaker 1: things that we said on the air that people went

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Speaker 1: after was far like saying that Kelly and Conaway was

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Speaker 1: never in a meeting, that she didn't know what she

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Speaker 1: was talking about, that she that that that's all come

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Speaker 1: out in the book. But there's so many people like

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Speaker 1: General Maddis, General McMaster, Gary Cone and others who were

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Speaker 1: there because they feel like they're serving their country. And

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Speaker 1: I remember during transition, we actually went from having a

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Speaker 1: hostile relationship with Trump through most of the campaign too

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Speaker 1: suddenly doing what we could do because we were getting

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Speaker 1: calls from foreign policy establishment type saying you need to

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Speaker 1: go in and if you will talk to you see

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Speaker 1: if you can talk to him about X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 1: Was really trying to talk him into out of certain

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Speaker 1: policy personnel, mainly like like you can't have Steve Bannon

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Speaker 1: as your chief of staff. But they were asking you

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Speaker 1: to tell him that not only were foreign policy people democrats,

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Speaker 1: and Republicans asking us to use whatever influence we might

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Speaker 1: have with him. But you had staff members saying he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a Hispanic in his cabinet. Joe, what an

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Speaker 1: unprecedented situation where they're looking for to you all to

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Speaker 1: influence his decision making. I don't know that it's unprecedented. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I mean you have Walter Cronkite trying to talk Bobby

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Speaker 1: Kennedy into running for president United States. This isn't his

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Speaker 1: unprecedented We're all, we're right now, we are now nighting basically,

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Speaker 1: are are putting Ben Bradley up for st hood who

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Speaker 1: we love Ben Bradley, but Ben Bradley and JFK please

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Speaker 1: let's not and we're no, no, we're not saying that

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Speaker 1: we're Ben Bradley. But it has been everybody's been thick

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Speaker 1: as thieves through the years, and suddenly people acting shocked

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Speaker 1: that somebody would say, hey, going and tell him that

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Speaker 1: Steve Bannon would be a horrible chief of staff and

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Speaker 1: it would be bad for America, or telling that Rudy

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Speaker 1: Giuliani is probably the last person you want a secretary

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Speaker 1: of because it's heretofore been done much more privately. The

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Speaker 1: difference though, is if I went in and talked to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump about Rudy Giuliani that the entire foreign policy

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Speaker 1: community would think that would be a disaster for Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State, I'd say it in the air the next day.

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Speaker 1: We were transparent, talked about behind closed doors that we

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say on the air. Let's take a quick break

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Speaker 1: and we'll be back with more Joe and more Mika

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Speaker 1: right after this, and now back to our conversation with

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Speaker 1: Morning Joe Scarborough and Mikasky. I don't think i've seen

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Speaker 1: you all since you've announced your engagement, so congratulations wishes.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking at MICA's piece of ice, any job,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm just curious for you two. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you work together, you are obviously involved, to say the

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Speaker 1: least engaged. Um does that create any issues? I know, Joe,

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Speaker 1: you've said before that you have to make sure everything

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Speaker 1: is figured out by six am. But what happens when

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Speaker 1: you're really just off at each other? We fight on

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Speaker 1: the show. Haven't you ever seen that? Oh my god, No,

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Speaker 1: I would say it's all actually positive because if we

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Speaker 1: are having a I'll just say terrible, terrible, disagreement at night.

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Speaker 1: Oh you mean we know that we have to bring

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Speaker 1: it in for a landing, which usually means which means,

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Speaker 1: no matter what happens, I have to apologize and get them.

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Speaker 1: Because she is a present ski she does not she

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Speaker 1: does not apologize. But but it is actually positive that

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Speaker 1: everything has to be right by six am because it

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen that much because I'm a politician and I

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Speaker 1: can go on and smile and whatever. Everything, Mika wears

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Speaker 1: it all on her sleeve. Mikas pissed at me. The

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Speaker 1: world knows it. So I've got to make everything right

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Speaker 1: by six a when you want someone together. Um. So

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure that out. So we were sidetracked

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Speaker 1: by my father's death, and I'm so glad that he

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Speaker 1: I knew about this before he died. Um. I was

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Speaker 1: very happy for me. Then my mother had two heart

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Speaker 1: attacks and now we're like recovering. But my my oldest

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Speaker 1: daughter is graduating from Johns Hopkins in June, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want to like that's you've got two daughters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I need to isolate that as a very been this

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Speaker 1: has been challenged, it's been really hard, and it's been

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Speaker 1: a you know, kind of a it's been a struggle

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Speaker 1: and a process, and we're really happy together. I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: probably this summer or the fall, but I wanted to

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Speaker 1: just feel right and to happen organically. I'm I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've been constrained by so many things, and so

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Speaker 1: this spring belongs to my daughter. And then I will

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Speaker 1: let you know because I want to get married. Because

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Speaker 1: Mika says, and maybe you can relate to this, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Mika says her oldest daughter is like the

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Speaker 1: poor girl, and she's she's the daughter and v where

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Speaker 1: about scene she walks into the core. Not so would

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Speaker 1: like her oldest daughter once have a mon but he

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Speaker 1: actually would under I mean, you know, daughters is hard.

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Speaker 1: And then if you happen to be in the spotlight

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Speaker 1: or constantly looked at and constantly blogged about, and your

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Speaker 1: personal life just thrown out there, you've definitely lived this. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it can be very complicated, and I just want to

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Speaker 1: give them a simple this is simple. I think that

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Speaker 1: you're right to do that, and this is a big transition.

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Speaker 1: I think for both your family were very about it,

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Speaker 1: and I want it to be at the right place,

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Speaker 1: the right time, and not overshadowing anybody rush you know,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you all. And then I want to

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Speaker 1: move to this book Fire and Fury, which you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: But you both say you're over the media writ large

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Speaker 1: is over its skis when it comes to covering this president.

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Speaker 1: And yet you have this very i'd like to say,

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Speaker 1: strange and unconventional guy who you believe may not be

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Speaker 1: stable emotionally stable. How do you cover him objectively? You know,

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Speaker 1: you have these two opposing forces and his crazy tweets,

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Speaker 1: his irrational decisions, it seems, and then how do you

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Speaker 1: separate that from some of the policy and things like

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Speaker 1: maybe uh loosening regulation and something. You know, the economy

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Speaker 1: doing well, and yet he seems so unhinged, So how

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Speaker 1: do you manage that? It's really hard because for me,

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Speaker 1: even even more disturbing than his emotional his his mental frailties.

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Speaker 1: Um has to do with his blatant disregard for our

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Speaker 1: constitution and constitutional norms. He doesn't know what's in the constitution,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't care what's in the constitution, and according to

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Speaker 1: this book, he gets quickly bored when discussing constitution. I know, true. So, Katie,

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Speaker 1: I think you've just touched on the greatest challenge. If

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Speaker 1: you have somebody who is not equipped to be president

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Speaker 1: United States, is not mentally uh capable of being president

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Speaker 1: the United States, and is is a man who has

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Speaker 1: absolutely no respect for constitutional norms or America's constitutional values.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to talk about the latest regulatory

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Speaker 1: reform pass. I mean, all the headlines and all the

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Speaker 1: content of the news coverage is on his latest tweet.

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Speaker 1: And do you think that's by design by the president himself?

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Speaker 1: If because it because it precludes anyone from discussing actual

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Speaker 1: positive things that they may be doing. So he's not

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Speaker 1: about he doesn't know anything about policy. I remember reading.

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Speaker 1: He's not interested. He's not interested in policy. He's interested

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Speaker 1: in getting the reaction from the tweet. Somebody who's loved

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Speaker 1: feel very close to me just said he loves setting

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Speaker 1: the bomb off and just watching must float. But I remember,

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Speaker 1: and this was so telling, and Mica always got him

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Speaker 1: in a way that I didn't remember reading the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post editorial board interview. I don't know if you all remember,

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Speaker 1: but he started talking about his hands. I have beautiful hands.

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Speaker 1: People come up to me, they look at my hands

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Speaker 1: and they say, those are the biggest, most beautiful, strong

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Speaker 1: hands I've ever seen in my life. He also talked

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Speaker 1: about them in a nationally televised debate, right so an

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Speaker 1: he went further, and he said, and some people say,

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Speaker 1: if there's a problem with your hands, there's a problem

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Speaker 1: somewhere else. And I can assure you there is no problem.

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Speaker 1: So he didn't. So I said to Mika, I said,

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Speaker 1: read this verbate, and you're going to conclude me that

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Speaker 1: this guy is just he's completely lost his mind. And

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Speaker 1: and she cut me off. She said, he didn't talk

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Speaker 1: about his hands because he's lost his mind. He talked

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Speaker 1: about his hands because he didn't want to talk about

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Speaker 1: like the nuclear triad. He didn't. He doesn't know. So

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Speaker 1: you think he's do you think he's that savvy though?

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Speaker 1: I think he talked about his hands because he didn't

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Speaker 1: want anyone to think he has a small penis no.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he that's important to him. But he at

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Speaker 1: that moment, being in the Washington Post editorial board meeting,

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Speaker 1: anything to kill time. He knew anything to kill time.

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Speaker 1: But there is You talked about the constitution. How Trump

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Speaker 1: has no respect for the constitution. There is a constitutional

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Speaker 1: remedy for somebody who using his mental acuity and doesn't

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Speaker 1: follow the Michael Wolf says that the amendment is discussed

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Speaker 1: on a regular basis inside the White House. Do you

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Speaker 1: think it should be implemented? Yes, yes, yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: look at his interviews. Look at the interview with Michael Schmidt. Well,

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Speaker 1: he said no collusion fifty times and about five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Listen to how he rambles. Go back and look at

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Speaker 1: him being interviewed in nine nine on The Today Show

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Speaker 1: and compare that Donald Trump to the Donald Trump being

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Speaker 1: in of viewed by Tim Russert and two thousand on

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Speaker 1: Meet the Press. Compare that to Donald Trump in two

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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. It's not the same man. It's not even close. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if everybody around him had not said what Rex

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Speaker 1: Tillerson has said that he's a moron, or what Garry

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Speaker 1: con and others said that he's an idiot, that would

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Speaker 1: be one thing. If Trump really had a defender in

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Speaker 1: there saying this guy is well. Sarah Sanders comes out

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Speaker 1: every day and says that it's absolutely falls and falls,

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Speaker 1: and Stephen Miller goes on, I can't wait to Rea,

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Speaker 1: and they'll all be the one saying we were doing

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Speaker 1: everything we could do to save the republic because we

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Speaker 1: knew he wasn't well, but knew he would never leave

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Speaker 1: without a bloody constitutional crisis. Blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: You know those books are going to read five years

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Speaker 1: or now. So how do you see this plane out?

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Speaker 1: You know who said that he had a thirty chance

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Speaker 1: of completing his term, Steve Bannon? So what do you

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Speaker 1: see happening? You guys think the Democrats are gonna win

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Speaker 1: big next year. I think are this year. I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine he's not going to be impeached after Mueller ends

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Speaker 1: his investigation and Democrats are in charge of the House,

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Speaker 1: and we'll just see what happens in the Senate. Well,

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Speaker 1: where do you think the Muller investigation is going. It's

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Speaker 1: going to Don JR. Uh, maybe going to Jared I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure yet, but likely going to Don Junr and

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I think at the least probably ends up

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Speaker 1: being an unindicted co conspirator and to follow obstruction, especially

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Speaker 1: come on if if he's not guilty of obstruction in

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Speaker 1: this case, I don't know what you have to do.

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Speaker 1: Admitted to the Russians that you fired comey, to kill

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Speaker 1: the Russian investigation. Yeah, the same thing. But what's your

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Speaker 1: reaction to formally independent Republicans like Lindsey Graham kind of

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Speaker 1: throwing themselves onto Donald Trump to defend him in this uh,

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Speaker 1: in this investigation and increasingly trying to discredit Mueller as

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Speaker 1: partisan and by a sad and pathetic Lindsay. I'm surprised

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Speaker 1: by Lindsay, and so is I would guess John McCain

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Speaker 1: is very surprised by what Linda, anybody any Republican acquitted

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Speaker 1: himself or herself in the course of this whole chapter. Bins,

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Speaker 1: you know there are Republicans La Jeff like Bin Sass.

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Speaker 1: I've got to say also, um, John McCain. Of course,

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Speaker 1: John McCain such a hero. Lankford actually from Oklahoma at times,

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Speaker 1: and he's the one with sort of the most to lose.

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Speaker 1: He comes from a very very conservative state, and yet

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Speaker 1: he'll be the first to say we need to investigate.

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Speaker 1: But going back to h Jane, he said he was

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Speaker 1: voting for Trump even after Trump said that he'd prefer

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Speaker 1: people who weren't captured. When McCain was running for re

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Speaker 1: election in two sixteen, he wasn't willing to distance himself

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Speaker 1: choices like is that he had to make that I

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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have made, but he made him. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that has spoken truth to power. Well,

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Speaker 1: have you all been surprised by Paul Ryan? Yes? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I've known Paul since he was twenty two or twenty three,

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Speaker 1: and he actually was a staffer for a group that

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Speaker 1: I worked with on the Hill nine and forward and

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Speaker 1: went to campaign for him in in Wisconsin. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been deeply disappointed. And you know, for him, he's

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Speaker 1: a policy guy, and he keeps telling himself, I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna keep my head down, just gonna focus on policy,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to get distracted by all of this.

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Speaker 1: At some point you need to stick your head up

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Speaker 1: and be distracted by I was gonna say, how can

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Speaker 1: you not get distracted? Because this is all it really is? Distractions? Right? Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right? But also again, it's okay for him to

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Speaker 1: say I agree with Donald Trump on tax policy, but

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Speaker 1: I'm deeply offended that he is questioning the integrity of

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Speaker 1: federal judges appointed by Republican presidents simply because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: like the outcome of a case. I'm deeply offended because

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's borrowing from Stalinist terminology, calling the media enemies

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Speaker 1: of the state. Deeply disturbed, Uh that that he's attacking

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Speaker 1: a Vietnam veteran like Bob Muller who guided America you

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Speaker 1: know through the days following September eleven. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: how you remain silent on those things. If you're Paul

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Speaker 1: Ryan or Mitch McConnell, I will never understand, and I

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Speaker 1: will I just will never buy whatever their explanation is.

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Speaker 1: I know they don't care, but a lot of Americans do.

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Speaker 1: And the conventional Republican position seems to be, well, I

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Speaker 1: like the policies, but I'm uncomfortable with the tweeting or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But to that point, do you think the policies have

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Speaker 1: been good? Do you think they've lived up to sort

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Speaker 1: of the populist promise of Trump's campaign? Well, look at

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Speaker 1: the tax plan. How could you That's the fact that

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Speaker 1: that is Donald Trump. Everything that Donald Trump campaigned on

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Speaker 1: regarding working class Americans, it's been a lie. It's just

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Speaker 1: you know, he's he said, the rich we're getting richer,

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Speaker 1: the poor we're getting poor. The middle class was getting left.

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, was you know Hillary Clinton was was a

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Speaker 1: captive of All Street. He was going to do a

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Speaker 1: massive infrastructure to a massive infrastructure uh program. He was

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Speaker 1: going to say that He's going to do that. That's

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Speaker 1: going to be easy, brilliant, and he was gonna save healthcare.

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Speaker 1: He if you look at the healthcare his health care

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Speaker 1: proposal that he supported, and you look at the tax

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Speaker 1: proposal they got passed, they are is tilted towards the

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Speaker 1: richest of rich as any Republican. Mika, where do you

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Speaker 1: see all this heading? Um? Do you think, uh as

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Speaker 1: Joe does that the republic the Democrats are going to

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Speaker 1: make big, big gains in the mid term and do

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Speaker 1: you think that? What do you think when you look

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Speaker 1: ahead to I'm very worried. Um. Joe has eternal optimism

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Speaker 1: about the foundations of our democracy. And I grew up

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Speaker 1: in a home with two parents that fled Hitler from

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Speaker 1: different countries and Um, a father who was extremely engaged

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Speaker 1: in foreign policy and Soviet American relations or lack thereof

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Speaker 1: in China and spying. And he was even warning me

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Speaker 1: ten years ago that the Russians were listening to our

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Speaker 1: phone calls. Um, And I really think this is how

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Speaker 1: it all begins. I think that we are lulling ourselves

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Speaker 1: into a dangerous state of denial that this is okay,

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Speaker 1: what's happening. And I think that we've got the president cornered.

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Speaker 1: It appears that presidents the only one who is seeming

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Speaker 1: to be an outlier, and everyone else around him might

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Speaker 1: be okay. But that's not enough, because if he's questioning

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Speaker 1: our judiciary system, if he's insulting the FBI and the CIA,

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Speaker 1: if he's constantly attacking the media, all you need is

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Speaker 1: one or two people in one of those branches of

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Speaker 1: government or one of those entities to feel the need

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Speaker 1: to protect him or herself and to perhaps go off

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Speaker 1: the grid as well on oldarchy. Do you have those

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Speaker 1: people in the d J right? Well, the problem is

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Speaker 1: what what is happening to our system and our balance

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Speaker 1: of power and could crumble? I think what we have

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Speaker 1: is strong and important, but it's not infallible. It's to

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Speaker 1: be respected, it's to be held precious. And he's just

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Speaker 1: running around with a machine gun shooting up our entire

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Speaker 1: sort of figure democratic system. Yeah. Well, do you think

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Speaker 1: that these staffers that have been described in Fire and Fury,

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Speaker 1: A of them who do not have confidence in him.

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Speaker 1: At some point, will people even like Lindsey Graham feel

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Speaker 1: it's their patriotic duty to take a stand. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how do you get the ball roll? Your column last

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Speaker 1: week was amazing? Was it last week? About the compliant Congress?

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Speaker 1: That everything was prepared for? Uh? You know in oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that our founders actually anticipated point a trannical president. But

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Speaker 1: they never let their imaginations be darkened by the prospect

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Speaker 1: of a tyrannical president and a compliant congress. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: There would be checks and balances that would always hold

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Speaker 1: a tyrannical president in check. Well after two eighteen, will

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Speaker 1: there p jo I hope, I certainly hope. Is that

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Speaker 1: the key to all of this? Yes, I mean key

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Speaker 1: to all of this. And I'm not just saying for

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Speaker 1: Democrats to be elected. Republicans want to run in primaries

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Speaker 1: that will challenge other Republicans who are compliant to a

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Speaker 1: president who is an Autocrat and waiting good luck to them,

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Speaker 1: good luck to them, and are independence. It doesn't just

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Speaker 1: have to be Democrats. But right now, I think for

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Speaker 1: the first time in Benjamin Wittis, who writes for Lawfare,

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Speaker 1: has basically said whatever differences Democrats and independents and Republicans

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Speaker 1: have with each other. Put it to the side for now.

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Speaker 1: Somebody makes that vote for the tax cut, fine, just

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Speaker 1: let it go. There's a much bigger issue here, and

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Speaker 1: that is preserving the constitutional norms and values that we've

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Speaker 1: had for two hundred forty years. So this is the

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Speaker 1: most important political year of our of our lives other

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Speaker 1: than maybe let's um wrap things up, and Nika, I

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Speaker 1: don't want you to get away before talking a little

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Speaker 1: bit about sort of this seismic shift where witnessing not

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Speaker 1: only with the Me too movement, but with this reckoning,

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Speaker 1: if you will, and deeper awareness of women in the workplace.

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Speaker 1: That's something that you, I know, have been writing about,

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Speaker 1: you know, your value with pay, equity, um with opportunity.

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Speaker 1: That's the subject of one of my upcoming National Geographic

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Speaker 1: Hours is on gender and equality in Hollywood and Silicon

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Speaker 1: Valley specifically. And I'm just curious about your thoughts as

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Speaker 1: you watch the Golden Globes, you watch these women in

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Speaker 1: black versus men in black talking about these issues in

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Speaker 1: a very serious and passionate way. Well, I think that

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Speaker 1: is exactly what we need to keep giving voice to

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Speaker 1: people who need a voice, is to just give voice

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Speaker 1: to the issue and to have more women speaking out.

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Speaker 1: I think that there are treacherous times I had with this.

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Speaker 1: We have to be really careful about due process and

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Speaker 1: about this becoming such an almost an embowtowitch hunt that

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Speaker 1: then women are sort of seen as like, oh, my gosh,

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Speaker 1: so you're concerned about I'm definitely concerned about a backlash.

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Speaker 1: But let me tell you what I'm excited about, and

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Speaker 1: that is that I think immediately we're seeing a culture

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Speaker 1: change where men and women are really thinking about how

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Speaker 1: they behave in the workplace. Men and women. This is

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Speaker 1: about men and women. It's not just about men and

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Speaker 1: um we're having an honest conversation. Often the conversation gets

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Speaker 1: very treacherous. I've stepped in a few times, but I

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Speaker 1: want to keep having it because I want women to

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Speaker 1: be hired for the same reason that men should be hired.

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Speaker 1: That they're good people with good values, who are really

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Speaker 1: good at what they do, and that should be what

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Speaker 1: we are looking for. It shouldn't be certain types of

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Speaker 1: men and certain types of women that catch the eye

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Speaker 1: and you know, in the TV business, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I've been stepped over by like three beauty queens in

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Speaker 1: my and my entire career for like jobs I thought

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Speaker 1: I had, and you know, people had hired for the

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Speaker 1: wrong reasons. It sets up a terrible dynamic, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like we have killed a lot of that dynamic

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Speaker 1: in the past three months and coming close to home

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Speaker 1: with things that have happened with people that we know

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Speaker 1: at this network. You know, I think we've all learned

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Speaker 1: as a company, as a member of the news media,

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Speaker 1: that sometimes we're a part of it. If we laugh

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Speaker 1: at the jokes, like laughing about a man's bad behavior

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Speaker 1: is saying it's okay, or being a part of the

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Speaker 1: joke about someone who's you know, constantly hitting on women

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Speaker 1: or cheating or sleeping around. It's not funny. And I

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like I learned a little bit about

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Speaker 1: myself in this. I've been a victim of sexual harassment,

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Speaker 1: a victim of sexual assault. I have my um opinions

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Speaker 1: as to how deeply I think my career was impacted

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Speaker 1: by that, and I don't think it was. But I

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Speaker 1: also think taking part in the acceptance of behavior is

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Speaker 1: something we're not going to do anymore, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be hard getting there, but we all kind of learned like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, the things that we just accepted the

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Speaker 1: rules have changed, and that means all of us have

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Speaker 1: to behave a certain way, UM, a better way. And

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Speaker 1: I think it involves kind of a constant conversation and

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Speaker 1: a recognition that this is a universal problem that involves everybody,

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Speaker 1: men and women. I think there haven't been strict guidelines

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Speaker 1: or at least communicated guidelines to employees that these im

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Speaker 1: media organizations UM for decades, at least as long as

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Speaker 1: I've worked in television. UM, I don't think there were

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Speaker 1: any clear sort of a code of conduct. For example,

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Speaker 1: there was never a system in place where if you

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Speaker 1: were an aggrieved person or felt you had been wronged,

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Speaker 1: there was a place you could go and an HR

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Speaker 1: department would actually listen to you and not protect the

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Speaker 1: powerful in the dynamics. So also, what about creating a

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Speaker 1: workplace where it is prevented and it is an issue

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Speaker 1: of prevention. Code of conduct can be about prevention. I'm

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Speaker 1: rereleasing Knowing your Value in the fall, and I'm doing

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Speaker 1: an addendum and I interview a lot of different top

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Speaker 1: companies about what they think the rules of the road

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Speaker 1: are in terms of working from open door policies to

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Speaker 1: looking at you know, looking at your corporate structure, how

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Speaker 1: many women are at the top, how many women are leaving,

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Speaker 1: how many women are not coming back? Women in leadership

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Speaker 1: positions is so key, you know. After the Harvey Weinstein

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Speaker 1: UH scandal broke, I took a look. I did a

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Speaker 1: survey of women in top positions in TV news, both

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Speaker 1: in cable and network and broadcast, and I was stunned

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Speaker 1: when I looked at presidents, bureau chiefs, executive producers, how

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Speaker 1: few and far between, uh, there were women in those roles.

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about women in really decision making positions,

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Speaker 1: and I think that would go a long way to

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Speaker 1: changing things. But I also think when you consider fift

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Speaker 1: of the people I read somewhere meet their significant other

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Speaker 1: in the workplace, case in points in YouTube right now,

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Speaker 1: how do you navigate that in terms of what relationships

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Speaker 1: are permissible and what aren't. And so these are things

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Speaker 1: that are really going to have to be investigated and

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Speaker 1: and examined in a very real way without turning every

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Speaker 1: And and sometimes it isn't. Sometimes if the power dynamic

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Speaker 1: where you really have to look at prevention. A code

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Speaker 1: of conduct is fantastic if it if it helps you

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Speaker 1: walking in the door. It's like, I'm I want and

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Speaker 1: what I'm writing is what I want to get to

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Speaker 1: every young man and young women as they go off

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Speaker 1: into the workplace and become leaders, because there's a way

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Speaker 1: men and women. What's okay, what's not okay, what's a joke,

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Speaker 1: what's not? I mean, this is what we're learning in

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Speaker 1: a very kind of you know, de way, rip off

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Speaker 1: getting women in powerful positions, retaining women, and leveling the

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Speaker 1: playing field financially that will ultimately solve the problem. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for doing our podcast. I read your

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Speaker 1: inscription in the Fire and Fury book. Some investigating here,

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Speaker 1: but I'm nosy you guys. For Joey your dad is

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Speaker 1: the man. Oh we just messed up his birthday present.

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Speaker 1: When's his birthday? Feel bad for snooping? So he will

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Speaker 1: be very excited about that. Will you tell him? I said,

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Speaker 1: high and happy birthday whenever, whatever, it is, all right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Thank you a big thank you to

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Speaker 1: Mika and Joe and the whole staff of Morning Joe

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Speaker 1: for hosting us at Rockefeller Center, home of NBC Studios,

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Speaker 1: my old stopping grounds. And of course thank you to

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Speaker 1: our production team, our producer Gianna Palmer, our engineer Jared O'Connell,

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Speaker 1: our assistant producer Nora Richie. Thanks are also an order

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Speaker 1: for our social media queen Alison Bresnik. Is that a

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Speaker 1: little negative to say queen? I don't know. And Emily

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Speaker 1: Mina of Katie CURRCT Media, I like when people call

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Speaker 1: me queen. My assistant Beth Demas frankly keeps my life

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Speaker 1: in order and it's pretty chaotic, so needless to say,

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Speaker 1: she is a very hard job. Mark Phillips wrote our

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Speaker 1: theme music and Brian and I are the show's executive producers.

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Speaker 1: Please stay in touch. Email us with your comments, questions,

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Speaker 1: feedback and guest ideas at comments at correct podcast dot com,

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Speaker 1: or leave us voicemail at nine two to four, four, six,

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Speaker 1: three seven might end up on the show and search

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Speaker 1: Katie Curic and you'll find me all over social media,

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Speaker 1: particularly Instagram these days. If you've been following my stories

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, you know I've been binge watching The Crown,

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Speaker 1: which is so good. I make all these editorial statements

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Speaker 1: like I showed somebody and I was like, oh, and

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Speaker 1: that mad red angry face emoji. I didn't like this person.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give it away because I don't

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Speaker 1: want to soil things. You know, First of all, I'm

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Speaker 1: watching The Crown. I think we watched the same episodes

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Speaker 1: at the same time without knowing, which is a little scary.

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Speaker 1: And second, I follow all of your Instagram stories. Okay,

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Speaker 1: like a half hour of my day I can never

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Speaker 1: get back. I'm so sorry, but I really hated when

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Speaker 1: she looked at the Queen. And that's all I'm gonna say. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a great show anyway. I tweet from the handle

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Speaker 1: at Goldsmith b and uh, we'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: It feels good to say it right in. It sure does.

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Speaker 1: And we'll be chatting with Maggie Haberman. Maggie is the

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Speaker 1: White House correspondent for The New York Times. And she

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Speaker 1: is one badass and I can't wait to talk to her. Plus,

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Speaker 1: we'll have another surprise announcement next week. Brian, are you

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