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Speaker 1: from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled by Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic. All right. So if you're scoring at home,

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Speaker 1: let's see this week at the NFL Combine, there are

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Speaker 1: two people on official Cardinals business who got contract extensions,

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Speaker 1: and then there are two people at the combine on

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Speaker 1: official Cardinals business who did not get contract extensions. At

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Speaker 1: least as far as unless we're breaking news here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground brought to mind Pacific Office Automation. What I

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Speaker 1: do know is that one group, one pair is here

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Speaker 1: to talk about the other group the other pair, and

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Speaker 1: I'll let everyone decide for themselves where Darren Urban and

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Speaker 1: Danny Serect fall into that. And then along with that,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could also say that there is the

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Speaker 1: outlier of them all, poly podcast, who is not even

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Speaker 1: invited to Indie. So I think you know where I

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Speaker 1: stand in that whole equation right there, But I'll let

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Speaker 1: you guys fill in the blanks. I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: to be fair, Paul, there's lots of people here on

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Speaker 1: a official Cardinals business that did knock at contract extensions

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Speaker 1: besides Danny and I, even beyond our own department. So

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Speaker 1: I don't want to slight all the other many Cardinals

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Speaker 1: employees that did not get extensions. But certainly it has

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Speaker 1: been it has been as good as we record this

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Speaker 1: day for Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kaim for getting their

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Speaker 1: contract extensions through the twenty twenty seventh season. It is true, Danny,

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Speaker 1: you know, I guess I was. I was focusing on

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Underground. I don't I'd be remiss if I

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Speaker 1: didn't go ahead and cite you're right team Cardinals and

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Speaker 1: how I mean, how many folks do you run into?

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Speaker 1: Danny out there? You got scouts, you got other you know, staffers,

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Speaker 1: So you guys have company in Indie so far, I imagine, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a good amount. There's probably a solid I would

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Speaker 1: Maybe Michael Bidwell saw that coming and said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: that's an initial thought I had in terms of the timing.

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Speaker 1: you get one in free agency and then one in

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Speaker 1: the draft hopefully, you know. I just think it's it's

430
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Speaker 1: hard to get a handle on what might happen supplying

431
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: to man or not without really knowing how this free

432
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: agency plays out, especially knowing the Cardinals have so many

433
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: of their own guys that could leave or maybe not,

434
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, Chase Edmonds is another great example. Like running

435
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: backs don't usually make a lot of money on the

436
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Speaker 1: free agent market. Is James Connor going to get a

437
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: lot more out there than he might get from the Cardinals?

438
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: What about Chase Edmonds? Or is Chase Edmonds going to

439
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: have to do the one year deal thing? With Chase

440
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: Edmonds rather play one year in Arizona than someplace else,

441
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: all things being equal, even if he has to split

442
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: times with James time with James Connor. I mean, these

443
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: are the things that we don't really know yet that

444
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: I think will be answered in the next three weeks

445
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: pretty clearly. And you know, I just to me, Paul,

446
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: it's really dangerous to go into a draft saying I

447
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: really want this position or this position. Now you're kind

448
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: of put in that place if you get through free

449
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: agency and you're still missing stuff. But the whole idea

450
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: of free agency is to try and put up enough

451
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: holes that you can get the quote unquote best available

452
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: player at the time. And I just don't think you

453
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Speaker 1: want to be put in a spot. But I mean,

454
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Speaker 1: if you start looking at draft, I'm thinking young edge rusher,

455
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: young big receiver, young offensive guard, perhaps a defensive lineman.

456
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: Those are the positions that really jump to mind when

457
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: you talk about the draft with me as of right now.

458
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: And we'll see how that plays out. And you're right.

459
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: If you go into the draft minus a Chandler Jones,

460
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: for example, and now you have a serious dire need

461
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: for an edge rusher, well that's a tell as well.

462
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: You can go into a draft other teams know what

463
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: you need, and all of a sudden, you're sitting there

464
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: at twenty three and all, and then somebody jumps you

465
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: and takes your guy Danny. So that can happen as

466
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: well to Darren's point, you try and cover up as

467
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: many of your weaknesses as possible, so you're not showing

468
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: your hand come the draft. Yeah. Well, the other thing

469
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: to keep in mind, too, is when Cliff Kingsbury was

470
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Speaker 1: asked about the cornerback situation and what he saw from

471
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Speaker 1: Marco Wilson as a rookie and how well Byron Murphy playing,

472
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: he made it clear that that's an area that this

473
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Speaker 1: team is focusing on because they want to be able

474
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Speaker 1: to move Lyra Murphy around a little more. But to me,

475
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: that would make more sense a position to look for

476
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: someone in free agency, have more of a veteran presence

477
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: of that position group and let Marco Wilson continue to

478
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: grow in his second year. That to me would make

479
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: I think we're talking about positions of Okay, you might

480
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: need a draft wide receivers or an edge rush or

481
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: things like that. To me, cornerback is one of those

482
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: one of those positions where if you have the right

483
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: free agent out there, that would probably make more sense

484
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: for that immediate impact for what they want to do

485
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: at that position. Yeah, do you go all in with

486
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: a big money deal to like a J. C. Jackson

487
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: or maybe target the Seahawks DJ Reid, who had a

488
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: nice year and is still only age twenty five. I agree,

489
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: you know that that's definitely an area. How much better

490
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: is Marco Wilson if he doesn't hit the rookie wall

491
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: if that's indeed part of what happened towards the end

492
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Speaker 1: of this past season in year number two. To me,

493
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: just my own personal opinion, We've been through this before,

494
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: Darren in years past. I just don't like the hit

495
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: rate on one receivers. It's too often, especially lately, you

496
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: haven't been able to count on a round one receiver

497
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: in year one and and honestly, there's a lot of

498
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: names that stand out when it comes to free agent

499
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: receivers now. A lot of these are big names who

500
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: might end up under contract with their current team, Guys

501
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: like the Chargers Mike Williams or or Alan Robinson who

502
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: underperformed and you know, a dysfunctional offense in Chicago this

503
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: past year, and then their injury situations a Chris Godwin

504
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: obviously he's a huge name, but towards ACL in December,

505
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: or Michael Gallup who suffered the ACL injury you know,

506
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: in December against the Cardinals, or maybe that was even

507
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: early January, right right towards the end of the season.

508
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: You know, a Juju Smith shusters out there, had a

509
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: down year, you know. I mean, how about a Will

510
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: Fuller who obviously played, you know, a D Hop He's

511
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: a free agent, you know from Houston. He's got issues,

512
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: he had the peed suspension this past year, a busted finger.

513
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: DJ Shark, a guy who was really under impressed in

514
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: Jacksonville this past year. But six foot four and with

515
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback. I could see the Cardinals going after

516
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: someone like him. You're just to name some names on

517
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: the free agent market. See. The thing about receiver for

518
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: me is that you're not Look, you're not getting Mike

519
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: Williams or Chris Godwin because you're not paying another receiver

520
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: like you're paying DeAndre Hopkins. You're not doing that. Now.

521
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: Could they get a Shark or you know, a Gallop

522
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: perhaps the Gallop thing. I would think he's going to

523
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: be on a one year deal because he's gonna want

524
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: to rehab his hisself so he could get back on

525
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: the freegient market and get the big deal he was

526
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: hoping to get, you know, so they might be short term.

527
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: Those make those make more sense to me. But you're

528
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: you're not going to have two elite receivers that you

529
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: got on the free agent market or in trade. I

530
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: mean teams that have two high level receivers, elite receivers

531
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Speaker 1: they've drafted at least one of them, because you're not

532
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: going out paying that kind of money for two receivers

533
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: like that right out of the box. And so that's

534
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: that's where I think that comes from. I get what

535
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: you're saying about the first round receivers. I would tend

536
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: to doubt they would spend a first round pick on

537
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: a receiver. But again, picking at twenty three, Paul, I

538
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of things are on the table for

539
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: that first round that you might not think of. If

540
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: you're in the top ten, that you might change your

541
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: mind a little bit because I think there's a chance

542
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 1: there could be a high level receiver that sinks all

543
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: the way to twenty three because people think of the

544
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: things that you say, and then okay, maybe we take

545
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: that chance. Because again, if you're picking at twenty three

546
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: in the first round, you're also picking at twenty three

547
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: in the second round, which means if you think a

548
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: guy is a mid round, second round guy, but you

549
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: really really like him, maybe you take him at twenty

550
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: three because he's not going to be there at forty six.

551
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: You know that kind of thing. Let me ask you

552
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: this real quick then off that. What would you guys

553
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: think about if you do bring one those names, maybe

554
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: not Williams or God when that Paul mentioned, bring one

555
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: of those free agents and resign Christian Kirk or is

556
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: it one or the other? Well, I don't Again, it

557
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: would depend on what you're doing. I mean, if you

558
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: can get and I'm just naming names and maybe he

559
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: would throw up at this, you know him better than me, Danny,

560
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: but Michael Gallup. If you can get Michael Gallup for

561
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: a one year, six million proved deal coming off the

562
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: ACL and then you get Christian Kirk at nine or

563
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: ten million dollars a year, you might be able to

564
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: make that work. But that's a lot of money, especially

565
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: when you've got ron Dale Moore, who you're expecting to

566
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: have a big role. I mean, Rondale Moore is going

567
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: to be your third receiver. So if do you bring

568
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: back Christian Kirk and sign a guy and also have

569
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Speaker 1: ron Dale Moore in there, I mean, could you use

570
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: all those receivers, absolutely, but can you afford to have

571
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: that much of your cap going towards all that knowing

572
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: that they may not. I mean, if you're Michael Gallup,

573
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: do you want to come here when you need to

574
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: prove it and you may only be the third receiver

575
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: or fourth receiver? You're not doing that, So that that

576
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: would be that would be the issue with that. I mean,

577
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: the convincing the players to come here in that scenario

578
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: would be tougher because remember right now, DeAndre hopkins salary

579
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: goes from twelve and a half million to just over

580
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: twenty five million in twenty twenty two. Now, whether they

581
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: try and rework that, like a lot of teams have

582
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: already started to do, stay tuned on that one. I

583
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: don't know that's complete speculation, But to Darren's point, yeah,

584
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: you have a significant chunk of the two hundred eight

585
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: million dollar cap is what it's projected to be at

586
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: right now, going to your premiere number one receiver and

587
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. So and again, like when we're when they

588
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: signed when they signed AJ Green last year, I know

589
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to believe it, but at that point I

590
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: was convinced. I was convinced that there was going to

591
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: be no Larry Fitzgerald because why would aj Green come

592
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: here on a one year deal when he still thinks

593
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: he probably has a few years laugh on a kind

594
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: of a proved situation when you might have to be

595
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: battling Larry Fitzgerald for passes. And that's the thing. Ultimately,

596
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: it's not just the Hopkins money, which is obviously really important,

597
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: but again, you've got to have enough. You've got to

598
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: have enough footballs for everybody. And if you're paying them

599
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: the money that you would pay them to be getting

600
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: the football, you want to make sure they're going to

601
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: get the football. You're not bringing back Christian Kirk at

602
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: ten million dollars a year if you don't expect him

603
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: to get a significant amount of targets. Honestly, my bigger

604
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: fear in terms of position group, going back to the

605
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: original question, would be edge rusher because if you believe

606
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: some of these free agent rankings that are out there

607
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: on Chandler Jones, he's been top ten in almost every

608
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: free agent ranking. So if that dictates, there's gonna be

609
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: at least one team out there to give Chandler Jones

610
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: some big money that the Cardinals won't be able to match.

611
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: Then what do you do for a premier edge rusher.

612
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Do you sit at twenty three and hope you get

613
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: your guy, or do you go into the free agent

614
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: market and target I took a quick look right before

615
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: we got on here with Cardinals underground. There's Annual Ogba

616
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: from from Miami, Harold Landry from Tennessee. Randy Gregory there,

617
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: of course, he had knee surgery after the season, Hassan

618
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: Reddick dot dot dot, Melvin Ingram, who went from the

619
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Steelers the case and actually really finished strong. After he

620
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: got he fell into disfavor with the Steelers. I mean,

621
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: you can go after a Jerry Hughes's age thirty four,

622
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: spent his career with the Bills. But you know, Danny,

623
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: That's why I wonder, if I'm Steve Kime right now,

624
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm asking myself, Okay, it's all about the quarterback and

625
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback. What do we do if Chandler

626
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: Jones isn't back in twenty twenty two? Yeah, and I

627
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: would imagine at this point you're having to look at

628
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: all those options and have a contingency plan if he's

629
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: not back. Um, that's That's one of the trickiest positions

630
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: I think for the Cardinals this offseason, because you're right,

631
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: if you if you bring Chandler Jones back, then yeah,

632
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: you're sight. You liked the way that Marcus Golden played

633
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: this year and having Chandler Jones there. But if you

634
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 1: don't have Chandler Jones, that is a huge gap, arguably

635
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: the biggest hole to fill on this team. So you

636
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: would imagine that as the contingency plan for that. But

637
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are probably looking at a lot of these

638
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: edge rutgers here at the combine, getting ready for the draft,

639
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: making sure they have those options, and also probably taking

640
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: a good look at the other free agents that are

641
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: going to be hitting the market, because if they don't

642
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: have Chandler Jones, that to me is number one priority

643
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Speaker 1: for this team this offseason. By the way, here's my

644
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: hot take. It wouldn't be a Cardinals underground without a

645
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: hot take. How about Kleis Campbell coming back to the

646
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: Cardinals at age thirty six? How about Kalis Campbell pulling

647
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: a Carlos Dansby coming in. They need depth on that

648
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: d line, They need the leadership obviously, what about the

649
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: big man Kalais, Campbell, Darren coming back to the Cardinals

650
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: on a one year deal. I would love for that

651
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know if you will, but obviously

652
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you're going to find anybody

653
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: who worked with Calais that wouldn't love to work with

654
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: him again with the Cardinals. You know, whether that's what

655
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: you need to decide on that with Calais is you know?

656
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: To me, I'll be honest, that's one of those ones

657
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: where like, if you decide to move on from Corey Peters,

658
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: Kalais makes kind of fits that void of the veteran

659
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: who may not be, you know, an every down guy anymore.

660
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: If you decide to bring back Corey Peters, which as

661
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: we saw last year, Corey Peters might be a guy

662
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: that you signed later in the offseason if you prefer

663
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: then that that would be a tell to me. If

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Speaker 1: if we find out that Corey Peters is resigned, that

665
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: would tell me Claius Campbell's not coming here, because all

666
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: due respect to Calais at this point in his career

667
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: and Corey Peters, um, I don't think you want too

668
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: many of those guys in your rotation at this point, well,

669
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Speaker 1: just to sweeten the pot for Calais in case he's

670
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Speaker 1: tuned in here to Cardinal's Underground brought to you by

671
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Speaker 1: Pacific Office Automation. Our Jim Molandro is now on the

672
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Speaker 1: record as saying there's an open invite for Klaius to

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Speaker 1: resume his position as host of the Big Red Rage.

674
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Speaker 1: So there you go. He would be his fifth year.

675
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: He would tie Richard Barry by the way. The problem

676
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: with that, though, Paul, is that if he does come

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00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: back to host Big Red Rage, that would restart the

678
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: clock for the Big Red Rage Hall of Fame and

679
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: you'd have to wait an additional five years to get in.

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00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's possible. See, I'm always

681
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: in favor of the Big Red Rage because we're sitting,

682
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: as opposed to when I have to interview Klaius when

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00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: he's standing, which is never good for Paul A pencil next.

684
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: So that's so, what how are things at the combine?

685
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Speaker 1: I see all these stories Danny about how you know,

686
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: obviously things are gonna be in prime time now, they're

687
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: going to be pumping in music. I mean, this thing

688
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: is more and more of an event and TV production

689
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: right elements into this whole thing. I mean, man, what's

690
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: it been like and what do you expect when this

691
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: thing really kicks into gear. Yeah, things have really changed

692
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. You know. The big

693
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: thing is a lot of these interviews are now at night,

694
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: so these coaching staffs are going to have some late nights.

695
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: You've not only got workouts, but you've got formal interviews

696
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: going on. Each team gets forty five interviews and each

697
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: one's only twenty minutes. There's a lot they got to

698
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: pack in there. But yeah, it's it's become a prime

699
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: time event. And there's other things that you have changed

700
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: that affect the way teams are able to look at players.

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00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: One of the big things are those measurements. It used

702
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: to be, you know, teams could have a ton of

703
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: staff members and coaches and scouts in this big room

704
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: and the player would go on the stage. And now

705
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: every team gets I think it's just four representatives. So

706
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: you have to be very strategic on Okay, well did

707
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: this scout really get to see this player a lot

708
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: throughout the fall. We want to have a chance for

709
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: the coach to see them up close, and then the

710
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: measurements and so a lot of decisions like that are

711
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: being made. But yeah, yeah, it's interesting over the years

712
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: how it's become a prime time event and these workout

713
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: and you know, almost like the Pro Bowl in a

714
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: sense of, you know, having all those you know, workouts

715
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: and everything at night for everybody to watch, you know,

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00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: the forty and all of that stuff. But at least

717
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: for us, it's been it's been fun for us so far.

718
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have some late nights coming up too, though. Yeah,

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00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: they say they results in the interviews are gonna be

720
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: shown on the video boards. Right, there's gonna be like

721
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: ten thousand fans in attendance. They're selling tickets. Then again,

722
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: Darren is someone who's been going to the Combine for

723
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: what close to two decades. They say this also probably

724
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: will be the last year it's in Indianapolis. I saw

725
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: one NFL official was quoted as saying, and I think

726
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: this is ominous and it's a harbinger. He said, well,

727
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: you know what, the NFL Draft really took off when

728
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: they started moving it around to different cities. And so

729
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people took that comment is to think, well,

730
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: guess what the Combine is gonna be on the move

731
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Speaker 1: and they're going to continue to evolve and grow the event. Well,

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00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,959
Speaker 1: a couple of things. One, I'm I'm north of twenty combines, Paul,

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Speaker 1: so please don't shorten me on all the combines I've

734
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Speaker 1: been to. It's funny because, I mean, the draft and

735
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: the combine are two completely different things. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: can you can have a draft where everybody's in one

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00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: room and there's nothing going on except everybody walking on

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00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: stage or walking off, and you can make that work

739
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: pretty easily. I'm still trying to figure out it hasn't

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00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: they have to open it up to have it be

741
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: other places. Right now, the possibility next years the Combine

742
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: would either be in Dallas, or would be in Los Angeles,

743
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: or would be back here in Indianapolis. And these cities

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00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: are having to basically make their pitch in an essay

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00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: of why it would make sense in their cities. Now

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00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: I know why it makes sense in Indianapolis. We're sitting here,

747
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: Danny and I are in the same convention center, completely

748
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: different places. There's places to work, you can walk to

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00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: the stadium easily. It's all connected. There's like eight hotels

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Speaker 1: all connected to this thing. There's places because it's the

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00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: convention center, to do interviews, to do all the things

752
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: that need to be done, and nobody necessarily needs to

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00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: get in a car to do them. I don't know

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00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: how that works in Dallas. Danny has a better idea

755
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: about that that we were kind of talking about offline.

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00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: I really don't know how you would do it in LA.

757
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to do it at the stadiums.

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00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: They don't have enough hotels near there to put everybody

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00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: up and do your places to go eat, and how

760
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: close are you to the medical And I just don't

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00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: know logistically how it works in those other two cities

762
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: as good as Indianapolis. But you're right, the bright lights

763
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: of Dallas or LA are different than Indianapolis, and I'm

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00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: sure that's part of the reason they're looking at this.

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Speaker 1: But I you know, I don't understand how you would

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Speaker 1: find a place to do it better logistically than where

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00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: we are right now. Yeah, I didn't realize. So I

768
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: read a story because I've never into the combine that

769
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: they have all the covered walkways so regardless of the weather,

770
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: people are able to walk around and get to the

771
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: different spots and you don't need a car. Everything is

772
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: so centrally located, and so yeah, the logistics of it,

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00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: you're right. But to your point, it's between Dallas, indian

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Speaker 1: LA for next year, for twenty twenty three and twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, so it looks like it's on the move.

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Speaker 1: Been there in Indianapolis ever since its inception in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty seven. Speaking of long standing traditions, have you been

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00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: over to Saint Almost Steakhouse there, Danny? Have you had

779
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: the shrimp cocktail yet? I have before. We are going

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00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: Thursday night, so we've got our reservation set, looking forward

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00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: to it. I've been seeing lots of pictures from colleagues

782
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: and friends that I have also out here who have

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00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: already gone posting pictures, so I'm definitely ready. But that

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00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: is Thursday night. Looking forward to it. Well, our Jim Almahondro,

785
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: fine producer. Um he ate enough shrimp cocktail for the

786
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: two of you combined. Okay, So he's just back from Indianapolis,

787
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: and Darren tell us why because of his famous father,

788
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: who you featured in an article on easy Cardinals dot

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00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: com and for good reason. Yeah, John Almhandro, who was

790
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: a trainer for the Cardinals head athletic trainer for what

791
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: is it almost thirty seven of his forty two years,

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00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: I believe it was. He got in in the inaugural

793
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: class of the h Professional Athletic Trainers a Professional Football

794
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: Athletic Trainers Society p fats H. He's in the inaugural

795
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame class. So that that was great news

796
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: for John Almhandro. He deserved it. U he was a

797
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: stalwart around the Cardinals for such a long time, got

798
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: the got the nice walk off in his retirement year

799
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: because that was the year the Cardinals went to the

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00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and uh so that that was a great

801
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: honor for him. Was awesome that Jim got to be

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00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: there in person. Unfortunately the ceremony was at the same

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00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: time as Steve Kim talking yesterday, so I was not in.

804
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a great thing. And again, when

805
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: you start talking about the history of this team, there

806
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: have been a lot of people that behind the scenes

807
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: that have really made their mark and there's no question

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00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: that John Mhundro was one of those guys. Yeah, you

809
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: just saw on Twitter how he got a shout out

810
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: from all the old Ron Wolfley, Rob Frederickson, all the

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Speaker 1: guys who once upon a time were in that training

812
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: room and gave Johnny O a shout out. So that

813
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: was outstanding all the way around. Maybe while he was there,

814
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, it was an action pack schedule, he should

815
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: have checked out Kenny Pickett because the pit quarterback I

816
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: see here has double jointed thumbs, and so he didn't. Danny.

817
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: He didn't have his hand measured at the Senior Bowl,

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00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: and apparently he's been doing these joint mobility exercises with

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00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: this double jointed thus before he's able to have his

820
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Speaker 1: hand measured. I guess there's some apprehension there. He's trying

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Speaker 1: to explain to everyone that my thumbs are double joining. Hello. Yeah,

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00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: it's a good thing that you can't see our faces

823
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: on this podcast, because my was kind of frozen in

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00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: a gross like oh face of while you were talking

825
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: about double jointed thumbs that whole time. Yeah, that's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: Let players have their own reasons. He will be the

827
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Speaker 1: first player to opt out of doing something here, whether

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00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: it's like a certain measurement or work out whatever. Size

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00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: so unique. Um, I don't know if I would say

830
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: skill personality, I don't know. If you don't you know,

831
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if you don't have big enough hands,

832
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: you can't hold the football. That's what That's what the

833
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: concern is. I don't think. I don't think the double jointing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they brought up the double jointedness, but part

835
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Speaker 1: of the reason he brought it up originally at the

836
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl was because he did have his hands measured

837
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: and everybody freaked out. It's like a vice gript with

838
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: a double jointed thumb. You know, you can really gets

839
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: some extra support there. Perhaps I don't know if it's

840
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: an asset or is it an asset or a detriment.

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00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Just as long as you don't fumble,

842
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: you're all good. Yeah, that's right. Okay, all right, So Darren,

843
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: what else you know? What else has stood out? You

844
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: know as someone who I stand corrected has been going

845
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: to the combine for twenty plus years, and else we

846
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: need to know on this edition of Cardinals Underground. Uh No,

847
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: I think the news of the first two days wasn't

848
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: enough for you, Paul. I mean, I feel exhausted, and

849
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like I've barely talked about anything

850
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: Combine related. It's all been Cardinals related. Yeah, you're right. No,

851
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I mean to what degree that the

852
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: two of you get bombarded by your colleagues in the media, right,

853
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure you fielded a lot of questions the two

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Speaker 1: of you about what's been going on this offseason so far? Correct? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that is a correct statement. I yeah, especially seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of colleagues from other teams and whatnot here.

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Speaker 1: Everyone wants to know what's going on. It's funny though

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Speaker 1: this every every team has their own thing, right, So

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Speaker 1: that's true. It's funny this morning or nothing. This morning

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Speaker 1: was this afternoon for us. A friend of mine who

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Speaker 1: had been he left. I had last seen him right

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Speaker 1: before the cliff and Kime news broke, and he finally

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Speaker 1: got back, like four hours back to where we're sitting

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Speaker 1: in the workroom and he's like, how's it going on.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's been kind of a long morning.

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Speaker 1: He's like, what are you talking about? And I told

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Speaker 1: him about Kingsbury. He knew nothing about it. You forget that,

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Speaker 1: Like he was busy with his own team stuff and

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Speaker 1: it's it's not super news necessarily to everybody. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, well, uh we'll let you guys, go on

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Speaker 1: this edition to Cardinal's Underground. At any moment you might

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Speaker 1: actually be connecting with those two decision makers and getting

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Speaker 1: their thoughts and reactions to the contract extensions through twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty seven. In fact, may I say that if you

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Speaker 1: do head over to Saint Almost Steakhouse, maybe put it

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Speaker 1: on their tab. They probably have a running tab and

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Speaker 1: light of the recent contract extension and will barely notice

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Speaker 1: if you If you add your tab to theirs, and

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Speaker 1: there'll be more drop you. We're gonna put together all

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Speaker 1: of her dms that we'll be able to share one meal.

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Speaker 1: So that's how it's gonna go. All right, there you go.

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