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Speaker 1: I don't think it's hyperbolic to say, I mean we
Speaker 1: are truly poised on the brink of a massive regional,
Speaker 1: if not larger war. We can go ahead and put
Speaker 1: some images up on the screen here, not entirely unexpected,
Speaker 1: but still obviously dramatic and deeply disturbing. You had a
Speaker 1: barrage of missiles fired at Israel ap pearced to be
Speaker 1: at military sites within Israel across the entire country.
Speaker 4: Just keep this footage rolling.
Speaker 1: Some of those missiles, which were reportedly ballistic and hypersonic.
Speaker 1: Some of them were of course shot down by the
Speaker 1: Israeli Iron Dome missile defense system. Some of them, though,
Speaker 1: were not. You can see some of those impacting the
Speaker 1: ground That may be the ones in Tel Aviv.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I know there were some in Tel Aviv, but really
Speaker 1: throughout the country. Still very much early hours in terms
Speaker 1: of assessing what the damage is. As far as we know,
Speaker 1: there was only one casualty. It was actually a Palestinian
Speaker 1: the West Bank, and I believe the reporting I saw
Speaker 1: on all of these things continue to be kind of murky,
Speaker 1: was that he was actually struck by the fallout from
Speaker 1: one of those interceptor iron dome interceptor missiles. So obviously
Speaker 1: we've been tracking very closely this continued escalation and the
Speaker 1: continued provocations from Israel that led to this point, and
Speaker 1: also the continued abdication of duty from the Biden administration,
Speaker 1: which is incredibly consequential. Here you have this in response
Speaker 1: to a number of actions, including the assass targeted assassination
Speaker 1: of Hamas leader Ismail Hania in Iran's capital city of Tehran.
Speaker 1: We've been kind of waiting for some sort of response
Speaker 1: there from Iran. They've been I have to say, very
Speaker 1: you know, sort of cautious and measured and seem very
Speaker 1: much not to want to get pulled into a further escalation.
Speaker 1: And then of course you had the massive attacks on HESBLA,
Speaker 1: both with the pager and walkie talkie attacks and then
Speaker 1: with the assassination of Nosraala, along with the decimation using
Speaker 1: over eighty two thousand pound bombs of somewhere around one
Speaker 1: thousand Lebanese people as well quite a number of women
Speaker 1: and children among them. You now have the early phases
Speaker 1: of a ground invasion into Lebanon, so Iran saying that
Speaker 1: these strikes are in retaliation for those actions. The latest
Speaker 1: we know is that it appears the US, of course
Speaker 1: standing strong with Israel. They have a right to defend
Speaker 1: themselves all the things you would expect them to say.
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris came out and gave a big speech thing,
Speaker 1: you know, everything you would expect her to say, nothing
Speaker 1: off script, and Israel threatening an aggressive response in reaction
Speaker 1: to this. And so you know, Ryan, I think this
Speaker 1: is we were jokings like Dallas humor. This is like
Speaker 1: the least surprising October surprise of all time, because we
Speaker 1: have watched the way that Biebe has continued to want
Speaker 1: to escalate and expand this war.
Speaker 4: And that's no surprise.
Speaker 1: That's in his political interest, it's in his long term
Speaker 1: ideological interest. And Joe Biden has said from the beginning
Speaker 1: that avoiding what you're seeing on your screen right now,
Speaker 1: that this was his primary goal with respect to Israel
Speaker 1: and Palestine. And yet through his refusal to ever say
Speaker 1: no at any juncture and do anything other than, you know,
Speaker 1: leak to the problem.
Speaker 4: My gosh, I'm so angry, I'm so upset, et cetera,
Speaker 4: et cetera.
Speaker 1: This is the incredibly predictable, almost certain result of that
Speaker 1: inaction from the Biden administration.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we have. So the IRGC put out a
Speaker 5: statement which I think is really interesting if you parse it,
Speaker 5: where they say this was done quote in response to
Speaker 5: the assassination of Martyr Hania Sayad, Hassan Nostralla and sat
Speaker 5: Our Nifo Raushan. We targeted important targets. So because the
Speaker 5: IRGC waited to respond at the behest of the United States,
Speaker 5: Israel kind of got a two for here, because they're
Speaker 5: responding at once to the assassination of Honeya in Tehran
Speaker 5: and then also to the assassination their top officials in
Speaker 5: Root plus of Nosralla. But then they say, and this
Speaker 5: is the key, this is the key detail. They say,
Speaker 5: if the Zionist regime responds to our attack, our next
Speaker 5: attacks will be more devastating. And they note in their
Speaker 5: statement that they targeted three military bases nev Team which
Speaker 5: houses F thirty five aircraft nets, Aerim, which houses F
Speaker 5: fifteen jets used in the assassination assassination of Nosrella, and
Speaker 5: Tell NAV base near Tel Aviv. So they were very clear,
Speaker 5: we're not going after civilian targets, We're going after military targets.
Speaker 5: And they explained why they went after the military targets,
Speaker 5: and then they say, basically, if you don't strike back,
Speaker 5: this is over. Like we had to save face. You
Speaker 5: did all of these things to us. Now we've done
Speaker 5: these things to you. We're even. The US has responded
Speaker 5: by calling it a brazen attack and saying that Iran
Speaker 5: must be punished Iran, you know, the US could come
Speaker 5: out and say, all right, you know what, you you
Speaker 5: actually did blow up a guy in Tehran, and you
Speaker 5: actually did blow up their generals in bay Rude well,
Speaker 5: and they responded.
Speaker 1: Last time, reportedly, Biden urged Baby to say, listen, you
Speaker 1: shot down their missiles. Let's call it, call it even
Speaker 1: and stop there. No, obviously it didn't stop there, but
Speaker 1: but it.
Speaker 5: Did, because that was a yes.
Speaker 2: Well let's be clear though, in terms of the White
Speaker 2: House statement, you know, so far and everything I watched.
Speaker 2: I spent the entire day for you know, ri IP
Speaker 2: myself watching every like government press conference, State Department, Pentagon
Speaker 2: and that's.
Speaker 5: The state got Were you there? I got discs No question.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Well there you go. I'm sure you knew it
Speaker 3: was a good question.
Speaker 2: The most important one to me was actually Jake Sullivan's statement,
Speaker 2: where in dig Sullivan's statement he said he saw it
Speaker 2: as an escalatory a quote significant escalation, and that we
Speaker 2: will work with Israel in their response, fantascitly basically greenlighting this.
Speaker 2: We should not forget what happened last time. So yes,
Speaker 2: the White House did put out a statement and saying, hey,
Speaker 2: you guys shouldn't do anything, but a lot of people
Speaker 2: forget that. The Israelis remember struck that air defense system
Speaker 2: that's right outside an Iranian nuclear site, which was actually
Speaker 2: very militarily significant. Because if I pair it with some
Speaker 2: of the statements are coming out of the Israeli highest echelons,
Speaker 2: we are seeing open calls for a couple of things,
Speaker 2: one to wipe out Iranian oil refineries, Two is to
Speaker 2: wipe out Iranian nuclear facilities, which specifically that previous strike
Speaker 2: was like a warning. It's like, hey, we took out
Speaker 2: the air defense. We can come back here if we
Speaker 2: want to, just to show you. Three is actually just
Speaker 2: straight up regime change. And I have been deeply concerned
Speaker 2: here because the most senior elements of the Israeli regime
Speaker 2: all from people inside and outside the government. You know,
Speaker 2: I was watching MSNBC actually to see if audal Mayor,
Speaker 2: who is criticized bb AT points, to see what he
Speaker 2: would say he was advocating for regime change in Iran.
Speaker 3: We have enough.
Speaker 2: Tolly Bennett, the previous Prime minister here theoretically who was
Speaker 2: in opposition.
Speaker 3: He has a long statement out.
Speaker 2: He says Israel has now the greatest opportunity in fifty
Speaker 2: years to change the face of the Middle East. The
Speaker 2: leadership blah blah blah made him a terrible mistake. He says,
Speaker 2: we must now remove this terrible threat to our children's future,
Speaker 2: which grant the Iranian people an opportunity to rise up
Speaker 2: and shake off the regime that tyrannizes it's women and
Speaker 2: its daughter. So clearly now regime change is like the
Speaker 2: uniparty decision here that has been arrived at at the
Speaker 2: elites with Tel Aviv and at the top of the
Speaker 2: Israeli government. So when we combine that with what we
Speaker 2: previously saw from them, I don't think it is out
Speaker 2: of the question to say that we could see a
Speaker 2: full on IDF bombing of major targets all across Iran
Speaker 2: on top of a possible assassination of the Ayatola Hamiani.
Speaker 2: So previously I was watching some senior military officials, former
Speaker 2: IDF and others who were on Fox News, and almost
Speaker 2: immediately after the strike, like minutes afterwards, they were saying, oh, well,
Speaker 2: the Ayatola is now somebody that we could see here.
Speaker 2: So it is very, very possible that in the next
Speaker 2: week or so we see an actual campaign of regime
Speaker 2: change that is potentially foisted or on Iran by Israel.
Speaker 2: But there's no question that any of US should have
Speaker 2: that this will not involve the United States.
Speaker 3: We would give them the weapons to do so.
Speaker 2: Two dozen interceptors were actually fired by US Navy assets.
Speaker 3: I did the back of an.
Speaker 2: African mac We are at one hundred million for today
Speaker 2: just today in terms of how much it costs to
Speaker 2: shoot down that the Iranians remembering some of the largest
Speaker 2: ballistic missile I believe one of the largest stocks in
Speaker 2: the entire world, quite cheaply preparing for this for quite
Speaker 2: a long time. Another big tell is that if you
Speaker 2: guys have seen a Israelis keep saying this was a
Speaker 2: very successful operation, it's not as success If some of
Speaker 2: the missiles get in, it's a failure. If a missile
Speaker 2: frights your military assets, that is a huge failure. Also,
Speaker 2: what would the number be if America didn't fire twenty
Speaker 2: four of those one hundred and eighty out of the sky.
Speaker 3: I think we actually know what the answer is.
Speaker 2: And so you when you start to put all of
Speaker 2: these together, we actually saw a determ you know, part
Speaker 2: of these really responses they're like, we need to have
Speaker 2: deterrence restored. That's a tell because they keep saying it
Speaker 2: was an ineffective attack.
Speaker 3: No, it's not an ineffective attack.
Speaker 2: It struck military targets inside of Israel, didn't kill anyone,
Speaker 2: probably more by design on the Iranian side, Well, I.
Speaker 6: Was gonna say, I mean it was this was intended
Speaker 6: to overwhelm the iron domes, the saturation ballistic missiles when
Speaker 6: you do that, you're specifically trying to overwhelm the Iron Dome.
Speaker 3: Yes, so that's obviously what it was.
Speaker 2: So that Yeah, and that's another thing. There's Iron Dome,
Speaker 2: there's Arrow three, and there's David Slings. So iron Dome
Speaker 2: typically used for rockets. I believe the ballistical missile defense
Speaker 2: Arrow three David Sling also was engaged. But anyways, I mean,
Speaker 2: and also who wants to know who sells each the
Speaker 2: part of all three events?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you're right, where do you think all
Speaker 3: those come from?
Speaker 2: Everything is from the United States. So we are fully
Speaker 2: going to be involved. And if you think that there's
Speaker 2: going to be an Israeli attempt to overthrow how many
Speaker 2: people live in Iran? Tens of millions, a country of
Speaker 2: ten million can try and have regime change in a
Speaker 2: country of tens of millions of people, massive a traditional
Speaker 2: power center in the Middle East, Right, Okay, but you
Speaker 2: know that's not actually wouldn't wipe out this quote unquote
Speaker 2: the regime if they want full on type of regime change.
Speaker 2: There's no question about who's actually going to be the
Speaker 2: person footing that bill. So we're in a very precarious
Speaker 2: moment America is basically tacitly green lighting, and it's really
Speaker 2: bombing of Iran, something Obama works tirelessly in an office
Speaker 2: to try to prevent.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm really shocking.
Speaker 1: I don't even think you can say tacitly when you
Speaker 1: know tacitly backing it. Based on the public comments and
Speaker 1: also based on the report that we got that Brett
Speaker 1: McGirk and others in the White House we're privately encouraging
Speaker 1: the invasion and the attacks in Lebanon over the objections
Speaker 1: of the Department of Defense and the State Department. So they,
Speaker 1: you know, have bought into the philosophy of nen Yahoo
Speaker 1: and how much Biden's involved in that or not at
Speaker 1: this point, who.
Speaker 4: The hell knows.
Speaker 6: That's what's terrifying.
Speaker 1: But they've they have bought into the philosophy the you know,
Speaker 1: first the escalate to de escalate. How's that working out
Speaker 1: for you? But now I think that at least the
Speaker 1: key officials like Brett McGirk, who seemed to be running
Speaker 1: the show, they have bought into this idea of this
Speaker 1: is our moment to remake the Middle East, this is
Speaker 1: our moment to strike the nuclear to strike to diminish
Speaker 1: the influence of Iran in the region. And so I
Speaker 1: don't think it's I don't think it's tacit. I think
Speaker 1: it's an explicit support for continued spiraling escalation and Israeli.
Speaker 4: You know, overwhelming response here to.
Speaker 6: Sager's point about what we were here immediately from some
Speaker 6: ex military guys, people who are sort of in those
Speaker 6: ar orbits on Fox News and other channels, that was
Speaker 6: absolutely this is the time, if ever there is a
Speaker 6: time to strike the Iranian missiles stright, it's the Iranian
Speaker 6: missiles and nuclear program.
Speaker 3: It is now.
Speaker 6: There will not be a better opportunity. This is a
Speaker 6: time for regime change. It's the time for dramatic attacks
Speaker 6: on the nuclear program.
Speaker 7: This is it.
Speaker 3: You have to seize it.
Speaker 6: And what I find to be completely terrifying is the
Speaker 6: disagreement that we've seen in the administration. When you have
Speaker 6: the Pentagon saying mmm, and then you have the Biden administration.
Speaker 6: We still don't know to what extent the President of
Speaker 6: the United States, who was so incapacitated that his own
Speaker 6: party didn't think that he could run on the ticket
Speaker 6: after millions of people had voted for him and he
Speaker 6: had been nominated. He's that incapacitated. And right now we're
Speaker 6: engaged in a war where there are multiple nuclear powers.
Speaker 6: We're funding a proxy war with an ally that's a
Speaker 6: nuclear power in Ukraine. Right now, it's incredibly fragile, and
Speaker 6: Joe Biden isn't.
Speaker 3: We don't even understand what he thinks about any of that.
Speaker 3: I've take cell it like I'm going nuts.
Speaker 2: Like we have one hundred billion dollars of the weapons
Speaker 2: flowing into Ukraine. Our factories can barely keep up there.
Speaker 2: We've got you know, by the way, I heard a
Speaker 2: very talent comment from the Pentagon today at the press
Speaker 2: briefing if you listen closely, where they basically quasi confirmed
Speaker 2: that they had quote doubled the number of assets in
Speaker 2: the region for Israel. Well, we know the back of
Speaker 2: the Napkin math was forty thousand. So are we at
Speaker 2: eighty thousand people who are now in the middle eighty
Speaker 2: thousand people. We have two aircraft carriers, we have multiple
Speaker 2: US Navy destroyers. The USS coal is one of those
Speaker 2: that fired today.
Speaker 6: China's eager about that.
Speaker 2: Well, and so there's a lot like I just like
Speaker 2: if the geopolitical situation we have never been more overstretched
Speaker 2: or less prepared actually for two massive wars. You know,
Speaker 2: even to just be funding it actually be physically impossible
Speaker 2: for us to even fund both Israel and Ukraine at
Speaker 2: the same time, let alone actually have to engage our
Speaker 2: own people.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Another point where I feel extremely black pilled is just
Speaker 2: on the uniform normity of the American political system. And
Speaker 2: if you read I have the commalist statement in front
Speaker 2: of me, Iran is a destabilizing, dangerous force in the
Speaker 2: Middle East. Today's on attack on Israel only further demonstrates that,
Speaker 2: as I have said, I will always ensure Israel has
Speaker 2: the ability to defend itself against Iran and Iran back terrorists, militias.
Speaker 2: My commitment to the security of Israel's unwavering. Let us
Speaker 2: be clear, is Iran is not only a threat to Israel.
Speaker 2: Iran is a threat to American personnel in the region.
Speaker 2: Why are they there anyone want to say that American
Speaker 2: interests and the innocent civilians across the region who suffer
Speaker 2: at the hands of Iran based in Iran back to
Speaker 2: terrorist proxy that is the ex oh and then continuing
Speaker 2: we will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary
Speaker 2: to defend US forces and interests and interests against Iran.
Speaker 3: I mean, and Iran back terrorists. That's a Trump statement.
Speaker 3: If that's Biden's state.
Speaker 1: If you read that statement, I would have no idea
Speaker 1: what it could be. Almost literally any outside of you know,
Speaker 1: we could name the few. You know it's not Rasha Thomas.
Speaker 4: You've got a few on side of that. It could
Speaker 4: literally be any of them.
Speaker 3: It's replacement.
Speaker 5: In the real world. The statement only makes sense if
Speaker 5: you reverse the countries Iran and Israel, like who's who's
Speaker 5: the destabilizing influence in the region here? This week Jared Kushner, Uh,
Speaker 5: basically did you see this? He basically said, Now, he
Speaker 5: said what you were saying is people are saying after
Speaker 5: the strike, but before the strike. He was saying, now
Speaker 5: is the moment is a once in a generation opportunity.
Speaker 5: There's no chance that they missed that in Iran, like
Speaker 5: as they're sitting around like wondering like when and whether
Speaker 5: they're going to they're going to respond. And then then
Speaker 5: Yahoo does his English language video to the Iranian people,
Speaker 5: which is like you think you think we're.
Speaker 3: All stupid, why don't we play that we have a
Speaker 3: VV four.
Speaker 2: Ready, everybody, Let's go ahead, Eric if you can, and
Speaker 2: we'll let us all take a listen.
Speaker 8: I speak a lot about the leaders of Iran, yet
Speaker 8: at this pivotal moment, I want to address you, the
Speaker 8: people of Iran. I want to do so directly, without filters,
Speaker 8: without middlemen. Every day you see a regime that subjugates,
Speaker 8: you make fiery speeches about defending Lebanon, defending Gaza. Yet
Speaker 8: every day that regime plunges our region deeper into darkness
Speaker 8: and deeper into war. Every day their puppets are eliminated.
Speaker 8: As muhammadev Asnzuela, there is nowhere in the Middle East
Speaker 8: Israel cannot reach. There's nowhere we will not go to
Speaker 8: protect our people and protect our country.
Speaker 9: With every passing.
Speaker 8: Moment, the regime is bringing you, the noble Persian people,
Speaker 8: closer to the Abyss. The vast majority of Iranians know
Speaker 8: their regime doesn't care a whit about them.
Speaker 1: I was just saying, incredible to hear him in one
Speaker 1: brass Iran's dragging the region into war and then in
Speaker 1: the next breath brag about all of the various bombs
Speaker 1: that they're dropping. But yeah, no, I mean this is
Speaker 1: laying the predicate for regime Gene.
Speaker 5: This was before the Iran This wasfore.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and it's very similar language to what
Speaker 1: we heard before Gaza are our war is not with
Speaker 1: the people of Gaza, even as they're saying there, we're
Speaker 1: going to treat them like animals, We're going to cut
Speaker 1: off the food, the.
Speaker 4: Water, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Very similar language before they went into Lebanon. And now
Speaker 1: we see this language as they, you know, as they
Speaker 1: begin this escalation with Iran.
Speaker 5: If you follow Yunis to Rawi or others who are
Speaker 5: reporting on Gaza, the slaughter there is just ramping up
Speaker 5: now that now that people are wondering like okay, what's
Speaker 5: the Israeli response going to be? And watching the Iranian
Speaker 5: attack and they're just unleashing all bloody hell.
Speaker 6: What's hit by some of the missiles?
Speaker 1: Toy I thought I was so, I mean, if we
Speaker 1: just zoom out right now, Israel is bombing Gaza, They've
Speaker 1: invaded the West Bank, they're bombing Yemen, they're bombed Syria,
Speaker 1: they're bombing Lebanon, and they're about to bomb are Run.
Speaker 4: And it's also really important in all.
Speaker 1: Of this not to lose sight of what this all
Speaker 1: comes back to. I mean, they, the Israeli officials set
Speaker 1: it quite plainly to NBC News. The reason they assassinated Nostralla,
Speaker 1: the reason they decided to assassinate him now, is because
Speaker 1: he would not decouple a deal with Israel from a
Speaker 1: ceasefire in Gaza. The you know, the missiles start from
Speaker 1: Hesbela after October seventh in what they see as defense
Speaker 1: of Gaza, and they have been consistent the whole time. Listen,
Speaker 1: come to a ceasefire, this all ends. We know that
Speaker 1: that was true because when there was a ceasefire for
Speaker 1: a very short period of time, not only from Hesbela,
Speaker 1: but from the other Iranian backed militias in Iraq and
Speaker 1: Syrian elsewhere, they stopped firing missiles. The Hoosies stopped doing
Speaker 1: what they were doing during that period of ceasefire. So
Speaker 1: all of this could have been avoided, could have been avoided,
Speaker 1: and could be tomorrow, and could be.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow if only tonight.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Bibe's not gonna if only Joe Biden would say,
Speaker 1: I'm not shipping you arms like I'm done, i am
Speaker 1: not sending the weapons to continue this and they are
Speaker 1: wholly dependent on our weapons shipments, wholly dependent.
Speaker 4: It could be over tomorrow and.
Speaker 5: Then we'd have an interesting election on it. Go ahead, yeah, Boebe,
Speaker 5: take it to the American people.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is, you know, I think
Speaker 1: we all know Bobe would prefer to have Trump in
Speaker 1: the White House.
Speaker 4: I'm beginning to.
Speaker 1: Wonder if Joe Biden would prefer to have Trump in
Speaker 1: the White House because it's sure as hell, seems like
Speaker 1: he's laying out the red carpet for him to come in.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, not to turn it right to
Speaker 1: the horse race, but it will be interesting to hear
Speaker 1: what these two candidates have to say tonight. I imagine they'll
Speaker 1: be competing over who can be more hawkish, Yes, but
Speaker 1: it can be more aggressive.
Speaker 2: Right, JD and Trump have the easier job of it
Speaker 2: never would have happened if we were in office.
Speaker 3: And that's you know. I actually I saw an interesting I.
Speaker 2: Think he's an Atlantic writer, Tyler Harper, very big Kamala,
Speaker 2: and he put out an interesting just like an observation.
Speaker 2: He's like, look for all of us out there, He's like,
Speaker 2: I think you significantly underestimate this Normy like anti war
Speaker 2: sentiment that a lot of people have with Trump. They
Speaker 2: don't follow the ins and outs and know that you know,
Speaker 2: Trump bombed, killed Solimani or any of that. To them,
Speaker 2: they're like, well, there wasn't this going on when Trump
Speaker 2: was president, and now there's a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: going on. Biden is president. Kamala, it sounds like she
Speaker 2: wants to continue the Biden policy. I don't like that,
Speaker 2: and then Biden or Trump and JD can very easily
Speaker 2: which the exact statement, the immediate statement from Trump that
Speaker 2: I saw that came out from the campaign. I don't
Speaker 2: even think it focused on oh Iran made a big mistake.
Speaker 2: It was like Iran didn't do this while I was
Speaker 2: in office. Ukraine would never have happened. Iran never would
Speaker 2: have happened.
Speaker 3: It's chaos. That's good for the income, right.
Speaker 2: But there's like a there's like an there is an
Speaker 2: instinct of the sheer likes to simplicity of that observation
Speaker 2: that I actually do think could be potentially powerful. That
Speaker 2: is also the danger that we've talked about probably add
Speaker 2: an ausium now at this point on the show, is
Speaker 2: like the Kamala just clinging to the Biden policy is
Speaker 2: both crazy politically and I mean also you know, just
Speaker 2: strategically as well. Wants to escalate the war in Ukraine,
Speaker 2: wants to escalate the war with Gaza. What's basically back
Speaker 2: in Israeli invasion of Iran? I mean, can we can
Speaker 2: we all just sit and appreciate that, like we are
Speaker 2: basically co signing a potential regime change operation in Iran?
Speaker 2: How did it go last time? He has one of
Speaker 2: this four decades? He said it on you know, he
Speaker 2: said it on a hot mic, he said it on
Speaker 2: an open mic. He said it up before Congress. This
Speaker 2: has been his ideological project. Also, we were just talking
Speaker 2: about how Gaza is getting hit. You know, another thing,
Speaker 2: we're not even talking about the hostages, who the only
Speaker 2: sympathetic thing that potentially could have constrained that they don't
Speaker 2: care about them anymore. There you can kill them or
Speaker 2: they let them die. They don't care, you know, and
Speaker 2: they never had.
Speaker 1: We always known that they never cared, because from day one,
Speaker 1: there was a deal on the table all for all,
Speaker 1: you release all our hostages, We release all your hostages.
Speaker 5: There was also a deal on the table that they've
Speaker 5: talked about since then. They talked about this with Jeremy
Speaker 5: and some of his interviews within days. They said, look,
Speaker 5: this was a much bigger operation than we expected it
Speaker 5: was going to be. We will give you all the
Speaker 5: civilians if you pledge not to just send ground troops
Speaker 5: into Gaza, all of them right now, and then from
Speaker 5: there you bomb us all you want, and we'll work
Speaker 5: out a deal for the for the military captives that
Speaker 5: we have, for hostages that you have, we'll trade them
Speaker 5: back and forth. Yeah, like that was it they put
Speaker 5: that deal on the table. No, well, no, it's.
Speaker 6: Also worth I mean just thinking about when you have
Speaker 6: Israelis today hiding in bomb shelters and actual like craters
Speaker 6: Israeli territory.
Speaker 3: What that is going to do?
Speaker 6: I mean just psychologically to the politics in Israel. That's
Speaker 6: going to Yahoo responds to that. Obviously, his political future
Speaker 6: is important because his actual like freedom as a human being.
Speaker 5: It's madam, very like it was either the Israel Twitter
Speaker 5: account or the idea of Twitter account. And you know
Speaker 5: they often will do these weird cringes off like what
Speaker 5: is this so the what is this tweet of their today?
Speaker 5: They wrote in all caps, this is not normal. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and there's so many layers to that, like what do
Speaker 5: you mean it's not normal? Like, do you guys not
Speaker 5: watch your own broadcasts? Do not read your own news?
Speaker 5: What has your military been doing for eleven straight months? If?
Speaker 5: If this isn't normal, what they're saying is not normal
Speaker 5: is that they're shooting back at.
Speaker 2: Them and hitting it and actually hitting.
Speaker 5: And what they're also saying is that this is not
Speaker 5: normal for white people, Like there's something there's it's a
Speaker 5: message that's being sent to like the US and Europe,
Speaker 5: like we are your bastion of civilization. We should not
Speaker 5: have to live through this. These brown people, they're used
Speaker 5: to this, this violent environment that's normal for them. For us,
Speaker 5: it's not normal times. Visrael has an interesting line. They say,
Speaker 5: the exact locations of such impacts and damage are barred
Speaker 5: from publication by the idea of sensor And.
Speaker 2: You should note clearly a lot of those videos that
Speaker 2: initially put out were taken down. The most important videos
Speaker 2: that are coming out are those that were filmed in
Speaker 2: the West Bank or in Gaza. That's the only reason
Speaker 2: that we know for sure, and from live TV cameras
Speaker 2: rolling here in the United States that there were significant hits.
Speaker 2: So do not believe the Israelis whenever they say, oh
Speaker 2: it was a one hundred, but whatever bullshit number they
Speaker 2: put out like they did last time, there were serious
Speaker 2: There was damage that was happened tonight, happened to military assets.
Speaker 5: There was damage in April as well. Yes, that's been
Speaker 5: fleaked out, but there was complicity that everyone agreed to say.
Speaker 5: You know what, let's not admit how much damage there
Speaker 5: was because that reduces public pressure. So okay, you know
Speaker 5: what I was gonna get behind that there was no damage.
Speaker 4: You want to say were fund But the thing.
Speaker 5: Is we're news organizations that we're going to have to
Speaker 5: say that.
Speaker 1: It also doesn't appear like sorry. It also doesn't appear
Speaker 1: like they are planning on de escalating or using this
Speaker 1: as an excuse to save face and avoid retaliatory response whatsoever.
Speaker 4: So it's just incredibly dark and basically, you know.
Speaker 1: This is the latest provocations that we described that the
Speaker 1: target assassination of Ismail Hania, the Taxon Haswala assassination of Nostralla.
Speaker 1: There's also a type top IRGC commander who was killed
Speaker 1: in those strikes as well. Those are just the most
Speaker 1: recent provocations. But Bibe has been spoiling for this fight
Speaker 1: the whole time. And the lap previous strikes in April
Speaker 1: from Iran, those were closely basically coordinated with the US.
Speaker 1: There was a heads up given through you know, through
Speaker 1: these back channels. The types of they used, you know,
Speaker 1: older missiles and drones that could be more easily detected.
Speaker 1: It was of a different scale. It was intentionally designed.
Speaker 1: It appears to save some face but not really do
Speaker 1: a lot of significant damage. This is you know, this
Speaker 1: is Iran finally somewhat giving Babe what he wants because
Speaker 1: they were faced with the prospect of okay, so it
Speaker 1: looks like it doesn't matter whether we attack Israel or not,
Speaker 1: They're going to attack us. So we can either just
Speaker 1: sit back and take that, or we can go out
Speaker 1: and try to do something and try to save some
Speaker 1: face in advance after these you know, extraordinary provocations. And
Speaker 1: so after all of this time, you know, this is
Speaker 1: Iran basically giving Babe what he wants that will give
Speaker 1: him the chips to work with to you know, get
Speaker 1: his bigger war and get the US on board.
Speaker 4: And all of this.
Speaker 1: I was singing on the way over here. It sort
Speaker 1: of reminds me of the like ropodope strategy that Kamala
Speaker 1: deployed so effectively. It's Donald Trump in the last debate.
Speaker 1: It's also predictable, like it's almost theater.
Speaker 4: How many times have.
Speaker 1: We been warning that this is worth thinking? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're smart people, but we're not geniuses, and we don't
Speaker 1: have access to internal communic again and intelligence and whatever.
Speaker 1: And it's like, don't you see what he wants? Don't
Speaker 1: you see where this is heading? And I don't know
Speaker 1: what they like. The answer is either they're the dumbest
Speaker 1: people on earth or they're just incredibly evil. And I'm
Speaker 1: really not sure that.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe this is a project. This is what
Speaker 2: they want, This is what Beebie wants. He knows that
Speaker 2: if he if they strike Iranian nuclear facility or if
Speaker 2: they kill the Ayatola, there is a one hundred percent
Speaker 2: chance of full blown US involvement in the war. It's impossible,
Speaker 2: it's quite little. So all you have to do is
Speaker 2: get things to that level. And now you're not fine.
Speaker 2: And then, by the way, those bombs, where do you
Speaker 2: think they're all coming from? Now when we're in it together,
Speaker 2: and then the American people do everything. Look, the other
Speaker 2: thing I've really come to realize is not only are
Speaker 2: people not following this, but the level of propaganda is wild.
Speaker 2: So like I watch all three that works immediately on Fox,
Speaker 2: the very first thing you hear is like, we need
Speaker 2: regime change.
Speaker 3: This is all Biden's fault. This we need regime change.
Speaker 3: It's all Biden's fault.
Speaker 2: We need to have a full blown war. They didn't
Speaker 2: have a single guest on that didn't say that I saw.
Speaker 2: I don't have CNN through the plan or whatever. I okay,
Speaker 2: so I'll rely on you. Tooe on MSNBC, it was
Speaker 2: the same. It's like even aoudle Maher, the liberal former
Speaker 2: Israeli PM regime change. We need regime change in Iran.
Speaker 2: I'm watching this being like, look, the boomers who control
Speaker 2: all of our lives, like they believe this shit, Like
Speaker 2: they they will back a war with Iran. It would
Speaker 2: take it will be like Iraq again. We will need
Speaker 2: three years of the disaster. The boomers will buy hook
Speaker 2: line and sinker until tens of thousands of Americans and
Speaker 2: others are either wounded or killed.
Speaker 3: And then eventually people are like maybe with in such
Speaker 3: a bad idea this is potentially so much worse than
Speaker 3: a rock.
Speaker 6: Just today, Jake Sullivan, Just today, Jake Sullivan posted a
Speaker 6: victory lap about the Biden administration's foreign policy. Was sort
Speaker 6: of just like how last year Jake Sullivan was talking
Speaker 6: about how the Middle East has never been this peaceful.
Speaker 3: A week before October seventh.
Speaker 6: Today he publishes this long essay in Foreign Affairs about
Speaker 6: how successful I'm sorry, this is Blinket, not Jake Sullivan. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Blinken publishes this long essay in Foreign Affairs about how
Speaker 6: successful the Biden administration.
Speaker 4: Foreign policy has been.
Speaker 6: One of his points, one of his points was literally
Speaker 6: that the relationship between the Brooks countries is superficial. It's
Speaker 6: not as rooted as a lot of people say it is,
Speaker 6: and the Biden administration is handling all of this. That
Speaker 6: is quite a bet to take in a situation like
Speaker 6: this where you're absolutely right, we are pulled into it
Speaker 6: no matter what, and we are currently there's a kinetic
Speaker 6: war between our ally that we are funding and Russia.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is like insane.
Speaker 6: Levels of geopolitical fragility and A we don't know where
Speaker 6: the commander in chief is and B that is that
Speaker 6: should terrify everyone because in recent days, the US has
Speaker 6: not had a heads up about Estralla the strike. They
Speaker 6: were not told in advance about the pagers, And I'm like,
Speaker 6: whatever you think about that. The point is, we are
Speaker 6: funding this war that has all of these different implications geopolitically,
Speaker 6: we are supporting this, We're backing it on the international stage.
Speaker 6: And it's basically out of Biden's control. The other not
Speaker 6: that it's not his fault for how it's escalated, but
Speaker 6: like he does anyone have confidence that he's being listened to.
Speaker 2: The irony too, I keep thinking about it is everyone
Speaker 2: always said, oh, well, we got to fund Ukraine so
Speaker 2: that China does invade time, Okay, we got a fund
Speaker 2: Israel so that China doesn't invade Taiwan. If America gets
Speaker 2: itself involved in two ground wars and is bogged down
Speaker 2: and selling weapons, what do you think the best possible
Speaker 2: timing to invade Taiwan is?
Speaker 3: What are actually care? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are the US Navy is shooting down spending one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars in one day, a billion dollars in a
Speaker 2: single day last time around, using all of our production facilities,
Speaker 2: and the only actual country matters to the United States
Speaker 2: will actually get taken out. It's like this is the
Speaker 2: the illogic of all of their arguments of like their
Speaker 2: whole d what is it de escalate through escalation?
Speaker 3: What a nonsense.
Speaker 1: It's going really well, that plan's going really especially with Biden.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we can't. We have to linger.
Speaker 3: He's cooked, his brain is gone.
Speaker 2: Whatever is left there is just like he's like, that's
Speaker 2: all we get from it, and we get slept Walk.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's slept walk, Like I said,
Speaker 2: I think it was an evil These Brett McGirk and
Speaker 2: other officials behind the scenes very clearly just hijacked the
Speaker 2: White House and the administration, possibly with his assent or not,
Speaker 2: regardless of his responsibility. He's the president and this is
Speaker 2: where we're here. And so and imagine this. If Biden
Speaker 2: loses Kama the election because of the mean Iran war,
Speaker 2: how could they politically ever justify it. But if when
Speaker 2: they get the you know, the explanation afterwards, they won't.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't mention it once like it wasn't because of it, Rod,
Speaker 2: it was something else. That's what why she lost.
Speaker 1: You were talking about the news coverage, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was watching CNN.
Speaker 4: Reminded me why I don't watch.
Speaker 6: Does of Jake Taburn wolf Blitzer.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just I know, I'm Pollyannish, I guess
Speaker 1: about this, But I think human lives matter. I think
Speaker 1: human lives, whether they're Israeli or Lebanese or Palestinian, like,
Speaker 1: I think they should all matter and we should care
Speaker 1: about them as equally as we can. And one thousand
Speaker 1: Lebanese people were slaughtered last week and they didn't care
Speaker 1: at all, not at all.
Speaker 4: I Toy did this, and it's true.
Speaker 1: I literally saw more Karen concern for inanimate objects in
Speaker 1: Tel Aviv today than I saw for a single slaughtered
Speaker 1: Lebanese person, let alone. The God only knows how many
Speaker 1: Palestinians have been killed at this point. And you know,
Speaker 1: I know people feel like this is all very far
Speaker 1: away right now. But I said this to you Emily
Speaker 1: when we were co hosting on Monday, like we're we're
Speaker 1: at a tipping point in terms of the international order.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: It's the era of the US soule superpower and the
Speaker 1: post World War two can sell it's gone, it's gone.
Speaker 1: What's happening right now is authoring the rules of the
Speaker 1: road going forward, and right now, those rules of the
Speaker 1: road look like, if you have the bombs, you can
Speaker 1: blow up schools, una agencies, embassies. You know, you can
Speaker 1: drop eighty five bombs on residential buildings to keep get
Speaker 1: one dude. You compare that to what we did with
Speaker 1: Bin Laan. Not to say we're perfect, but compare that
Speaker 1: to what we did with Bin lan we're authoring eight today.
Speaker 5: We would just bomb that entire town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're authoring a new order where hey, if you
Speaker 1: can infiltrate a civilian supply chain and booby trap walkie
Speaker 1: talkies or cell phones or laptop computers and harm.
Speaker 4: Your adversary, hey go do it.
Speaker 1: But if you want to invade your next neighbor and
Speaker 1: create a quote unquote buffer zone.
Speaker 4: Hey go ahead.
Speaker 1: And you got the arms, you got the weapons, go ahead,
Speaker 1: it's your right. That's the world that we are authoring
Speaker 1: right now, because who which of our average like, what
Speaker 1: credibility would we have to complain about it going forward?
Speaker 1: When we're not just tacitly agreeing to it, we're encouraging it.
Speaker 1: We're shipping the bombs, we're providing the cover our politicians
Speaker 1: are going out and saying this is right and good
Speaker 1: and it was a measure of justice. Like that's the
Speaker 1: world we're all going to have to live in that
Speaker 1: is being authored right now in this moment.
Speaker 6: And doing it under the pretense of the rule space
Speaker 6: international order, right, Like, that's what's so wild about the
Speaker 6: way that the US has approached this conflict actually for years,
Speaker 6: not just since October seventh, wielding the so called rulespase
Speaker 6: international Order as a cudgel against other countries well then
Speaker 6: also sort of turning a.
Speaker 5: Blind eye to it.
Speaker 6: And it's that inconsistency that if you care, let's just
Speaker 6: say you're an America first realist, like let's say your
Speaker 6: team MAGA, not exactly Team Mega America America is realist.
Speaker 6: But this is actually, I'm not gonna speak for you,
Speaker 6: but this is actually kind of your perspective that like,
Speaker 6: you completely destroy the credibility of.
Speaker 2: Your credibility was destroyed the day that we invaded Iraq.
Speaker 2: But okay, let's yes, let's but that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, what drives me crazy, Yes, when I have to
Speaker 3: hear about like.
Speaker 9: Oh, Russia struck a single.
Speaker 2: Ukrainian apartment building and then at the same time I watched,
Speaker 2: you know, the naz RelA apartment building get blown it
Speaker 2: apart with it, and I'm like, why should I care?
Speaker 2: Exactly like, we're okay with it here and we're not here,
Speaker 2: and so one is noble, the other is fine. Which
Speaker 2: is it? Which one is it? And it's like that's
Speaker 2: the maddening part of it. You're also very correct. I
Speaker 2: really want to echo what you said. You know, you
Speaker 2: think America doesn't have the possibility capability to infiltrate a
Speaker 2: supply chain and blow people up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do. Do you think that we don't have
Speaker 3: the capability.
Speaker 2: To level like been luck we could have destroyed we
Speaker 2: could have wiped a bodabot off the map, the entire city.
Speaker 5: However, there are many people Army academy.
Speaker 2: We don't don't do it and didn't do it for
Speaker 2: a reason, which is where you're like, well, if you
Speaker 2: do this, we're opening up a whole can of worms
Speaker 2: and all that. And you know, if you are, what
Speaker 2: did Russia want to do in Ukraine?
Speaker 3: They wanted to d not.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at the language from naugh Tally Bennett
Speaker 2: and others about the Iranians.
Speaker 3: I believe thed called them Nazis, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, well we're normalizing the rhetoric here, and then
Speaker 2: we're you know, saying that the rhetoric over here is
Speaker 2: so horrible. Well, which one is it? And people in
Speaker 2: India they see the difference. People in Brazil they see
Speaker 2: the difference. The rising global powers see it completely differently
Speaker 2: than the way than the way that we do. And
Speaker 2: rogue nations all over the world can look at Israel
Speaker 2: like Russia looking at Israel. Wow, they will laugh in
Speaker 2: our face whenever they say that they want to keep
Speaker 2: twenty percent of Ukraine and we say that that's somehow,
Speaker 2: some threat to democracy.
Speaker 3: Look at the Armenia Azerbaijan situation.
Speaker 2: A lot of people move past that that was not
Speaker 2: only used with Israeli weapons, but the pretext a lot
Speaker 2: of it was now, now is the right time to
Speaker 2: resolve all of these questions. So we have created this
Speaker 2: deeply unstable international system of which we no longer have
Speaker 2: the crutch of even the rhetoric of the rules based
Speaker 2: international order. And it does and this is the other key.
Speaker 2: It makes America not only less safe because we're tied
Speaker 2: to this, but the global system is designed for the
Speaker 2: American way of life, Like look at these bombings in Yemen.
Speaker 2: You know this with the hoo thies and all those
Speaker 2: strikes as we're about to talk about with the ports,
Speaker 2: these people have tremendous you know, impact over all of
Speaker 2: our lives. The so called rules based international order was
Speaker 2: just a pretext for the American empire to make stuff cheap.
Speaker 3: I actually kind of support.
Speaker 2: That, but my point as long as they're all being
Speaker 2: honest about what it is.
Speaker 3: But that's going to go away.
Speaker 4: This is BacT.
Speaker 2: Now we're all going to see what the reality of
Speaker 2: taking that away and enabling these types of things are.
Speaker 2: And that actually terrifies me more than anything, because America
Speaker 2: is already broke. Where things are right now, imagine twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty five, forty fifty sixty percent inflation. We're living
Speaker 2: in another world, I mean literally in another world. And
Speaker 2: our entire economic system is built on cheap capital and
Speaker 2: cheap goods and debt. And so when you step to
Speaker 2: then turn around increased military GP and we we might
Speaker 2: have to have a draft like who god knows what,
Speaker 2: and this is not far fetched. If we get into
Speaker 2: a war with Iran, Iraq broke US, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also just want to mention I can't imagine being
Speaker 1: in issues of someone who's in like you know, near Asheville,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and just had their empire like life destroyed
Speaker 1: and flooded and still no sell and no food and whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, and here we go with another
Speaker 1: fucking war. Like you know or anyone anywhere in the country.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, struggling and like the priorities
Speaker 1: to be because we did not vote for this.
Speaker 4: We voted for the opposite of this many times.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You look at the polling on conditioning aid to Israel,
Speaker 1: on continuing ship weapons to is overwhelming. It's overwhelming, but
Speaker 1: the lockstep consensus out of Washington leaves none of us
Speaker 1: with any doubt no matter what happens in this election
Speaker 1: where this is all headed. I do want to get
Speaker 1: really quickly to the port strike. Yeah, let's do it,
Speaker 1: because you know, speaking of what's going on domestically and shipping,
Speaker 1: you gave us a good segue there, and I do
Speaker 1: want to, you know, spend some time preving in the
Speaker 1: debate before the debate actually starts. But you've got forty
Speaker 1: five thousand port workers now on strike, you know, stretching
Speaker 1: from Maine all the way to Texas, and the president
Speaker 1: of that union being quite fiery in his rhetoric about
Speaker 1: what this means. Obviously, you know, if if the longshoremen
Speaker 1: are not working, goods are not moving in those ports,
Speaker 1: now what the economists and what the politicians are saying
Speaker 1: is okay. Well, for a few days, businesses were kind
Speaker 1: of prepared for this, and they re routed goods to
Speaker 1: the West Coast, et cetera, et cetera. If it drags on, though,
Speaker 1: there will be significant impact. Let's take a listen to
Speaker 1: a little bit of what the president of the International
Speaker 1: Longshoreman's Union had to say.
Speaker 9: These people today don't know what a shreike is.
Speaker 7: Right when my men hit the streets from Maine to Texas,
Speaker 7: every single port a lockdown, you know what's gonna happen,
Speaker 7: I'll tell you.
Speaker 9: First week be all over the news, every nine boom boom.
Speaker 7: Second week, guys who sell casts can't sell costs because
Speaker 7: the cars ain't coming in off the ships. They get
Speaker 7: laid off. Third week, malls are closing down. They can't
Speaker 7: get the goods from China, they can't sell clothes, they
Speaker 7: can't do this.
Speaker 9: Everything in the United.
Speaker 7: States comes on a ship, they go out of business.
Speaker 7: Construction workers get laid off because the materials aren't coming in,
Speaker 7: the steel's not coming in, the lumber's not coming in.
Speaker 9: They lose their job.
Speaker 7: Everybody's hating the long showman now because now they realize
Speaker 7: how important our jobs are. Now I have the President
Speaker 7: screaming at me. I'm putting a taff Hartley on.
Speaker 9: You go ahead, Ted, Folly means I have to go
Speaker 9: back to work for ninety days after cooling you off. Period.
Speaker 7: Do you think when I go back for ninety days,
Speaker 7: those men are going to go to work on that pier.
Speaker 9: It's going to cost the money, the company's money to
Speaker 9: pay the salaries.
Speaker 7: Well, they go one from thirty moves and now and
Speaker 7: maybe the eight they're gonna be like this, who's gonna
Speaker 7: win here? In the long run, You're better off sitting
Speaker 7: down and let's get a contract and let's move on
Speaker 7: with this world.
Speaker 9: And could today's world. I'll cripple you.
Speaker 7: I will cripple you, and you'll have no idea what
Speaker 7: that means.
Speaker 9: Nobody does.
Speaker 4: So he clearly Ryan understands the power.
Speaker 5: It would have been better if you would be better
Speaker 5: if he was a TikTok and he was in a
Speaker 5: passenger seat, yeah, talking into it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that would be the vibe.
Speaker 1: Give us all you you really flag this and have
Speaker 1: been on top of this more than maybe anyone, So
Speaker 1: give us a sense of the history here, what they're
Speaker 1: asking for, etc.
Speaker 5: I mean, they know that they have the choke points
Speaker 5: of the economy and.
Speaker 4: The choke points of this election coming up too.
Speaker 5: And with the election be coming up, Yes, but at
Speaker 5: the same time, they know there's going to be like
Speaker 5: he said, he's going to have the president yelling at him.
Speaker 5: He's going to have Mayor re Pete, no doubt yelling
Speaker 5: at him. Mayor Repete's been in the middle of this
Speaker 5: trying to get it to a deal. They're asking for
Speaker 5: five dollars an hour extra a year every year for
Speaker 5: their six for their six year contract, and they're fighting
Speaker 5: against automation.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Those are the two. Those are the two big things.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The automation piece seems to be a really significant part
Speaker 1: of it as well, which is something we've tracked with
Speaker 1: other strikes, in particular some of the Hollywood strikes previously,
Speaker 1: where the writers were really concerned and the actors were
Speaker 1: very concerned about the use of their likenesses.
Speaker 2: Let's put the next one up on the screen, please,
Speaker 2: can we put up is it C two?
Speaker 3: Because that actually has a map. This is kind of useful.
Speaker 2: So what you see are all of the ports there
Speaker 2: along the East coast that are currently shut down. The
Speaker 2: port of New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore is so significant in
Speaker 2: terms of the amount of trade.
Speaker 3: This also comes.
Speaker 2: Before retail is about to have its biggest quarter Q four,
Speaker 2: always the biggest one for retail December thanksgiving all of
Speaker 2: those sales. So I mean, it's very smartly timed on
Speaker 2: their part. It would I mean, in terms of the
Speaker 2: specifics of the contract, like Ryan was saying, they're asking
Speaker 2: for that raise that would happen. What was it? The
Speaker 2: ISLA wants the base hourly rate for it to change
Speaker 2: to sixty nine dollars from a thirty nine dollars for hour,
Speaker 2: a seventy seven percent pay increase that would fit phase
Speaker 2: in over six years as a condition to sit down
Speaker 2: to talks with maritime employers. The kind of issue right
Speaker 2: now is that they rejected the previous one, the ISLA.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't just over wage issues. It was specifically
Speaker 2: also about automation. Their response to everyone who's like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous, like, well, first of all, it's over six years.
Speaker 2: But their real beef with them is about the amount
Speaker 2: of profit that ocean carriers had during COVID, so everyone
Speaker 2: will remember all of that have been cleaned up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they raised prices.
Speaker 4: Those the worst abusers in terms of corporate there.
Speaker 2: Worst who was it. They're they're worse than the trains.
Speaker 2: Like remember we cover yeah, railway strikes. These people are
Speaker 2: filthy rich. So that's really where the where the actual
Speaker 2: sticking point is. I think the real question will actually
Speaker 2: about beat about media coverage because kind of like last time,
Speaker 2: the railway workers weren't able to get their message across
Speaker 2: really at all. Biden crushed them effectively and forced through
Speaker 2: that deal. So this time kind of like he's saying,
Speaker 2: he's like, well, the media is going to blame us,
Speaker 2: but you know, if you actually explain the situation, look,
Speaker 2: without taking a side or whatever, if you explain the situation,
Speaker 2: it's reasonable in terms of the way the contract works
Speaker 2: and all of that. Politically, I have seen criticism of
Speaker 2: them of like, hey, you guys are screwing over Biden
Speaker 2: and the Democrats like when they need you once, but
Speaker 2: if the contract comes up over every six years, what
Speaker 2: are you supposed to do?
Speaker 3: Just wait another Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like total nonsense, Like yeah, their contract was up.
Speaker 1: It's not like they timed it to coincide with the election.
Speaker 1: Now it happens to give them some a little digital.
Speaker 4: Leverage, but puts the three up on the screen.
Speaker 1: This will be interesting to see if there's a question
Speaker 1: tonight at the debate to JD Vance and Tim Walls.
Speaker 4: About this strike.
Speaker 1: So Biden so far has been pretty much on the
Speaker 1: side of the workers. He said, mister he was asking,
Speaker 1: mister present, will you intervene in the dock workers strike
Speaker 1: if they go on strike on Tuesday? He said no,
Speaker 1: And they said why not because there's collective bargaining and
Speaker 1: I don't believe in TAFT hardly. So, without getting too
Speaker 1: much into the minutie, here and here you have Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders saying President bideners right, and Biden put on another
Speaker 1: statement that you know, echoed and elaborated on this basic instinct.
Speaker 1: The railway workers are operate under a different set of
Speaker 1: specific laws that are specific to their industry, whereas the
Speaker 1: dock workers are just broadly under a taft hardly. So
Speaker 1: you have Republicans, a lot of Republicans now who are like,
Speaker 1: use taff hardly to stop this strike that's going to
Speaker 1: be devastated the economy, et cetera, et cetera. And you've
Speaker 1: had Biden so far on the other side of that saying, know,
Speaker 1: there's a collective bargaining and you know collective bargaining is occurring,
Speaker 1: the the companies.
Speaker 4: Need to do right by the workers, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So, given jadie Vance's positioning in particular, is trying to
Speaker 1: be more pro labor, trying to signal, you know, more
Speaker 1: friendliness towards unions, I'm curious how he would handle a
Speaker 1: question on this issue because most Republicans have been on
Speaker 1: the side of just like crush the workers and getting
Speaker 1: them back to.
Speaker 4: Work, and you know, you have Trump out there.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's unlike you never know.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're.
Speaker 4: Economic issue right right now, they.
Speaker 5: Catch on that it's happening. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Do they watch counterpoints?
Speaker 5: They should. It's happening now and a week from now,
Speaker 5: if it's still happening, it's all anybody's going to be talking.
Speaker 1: About right, Yeah, no, that's exactly right, and it would
Speaker 1: be I'm curious to what Trump would say about it,
Speaker 1: because he.
Speaker 3: Well, this guy is friends with Trump, apparently are there's
Speaker 3: photos of the.
Speaker 1: But I think the Union did endorse Kamala that yes, well,
Speaker 1: so you know that's not unusual or in common in
Speaker 1: the labor world. But the Union is officially behind Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: But you know, Trump Hill do these sort of like
Speaker 1: virtue signals towards labor. But then when it push comes
Speaker 1: to shove, he's there bragging with Elon about how cool
Speaker 1: it was that Elon was firing striking workers and complaining
Speaker 1: about how we never liked to pay overtime and would
Speaker 1: do whatever he could to get.
Speaker 4: Out of it.
Speaker 1: So you know what comes down to the specifics, it's
Speaker 1: not always there.
Speaker 6: Well, and let's put this next element up on the
Speaker 6: screen because Ryan, I want to see if you agree
Speaker 6: with your former colleague Stampskin, who says this latest Biden
Speaker 6: statement on the potential strigglings heavily in favor of the
Speaker 6: long shortman demands. So Biden says collective bargain bargaining is
Speaker 6: the best way for workers to get the pay and
Speaker 6: benefits they deserve. I have urged USMX, which represents a
Speaker 6: group of four NORN carriers, to come to the table
Speaker 6: and present a fair work offer to the workers of
Speaker 6: the International Long Shorman's Association that ensures they're paid appropriately
Speaker 6: aligned with their invaluable contribution. So we were just talking
Speaker 6: writing about the sort of unknown, the known unknown of
Speaker 6: Biden in foreign policy right now, Like we know that
Speaker 6: he's the president, we don't know what that means at
Speaker 6: any given moment. How could that translate to potential negotiations here?
Speaker 3: What are the tea leaves that you read from that?
Speaker 5: Well when he was did you see the clip where
Speaker 5: he was getting off Air Force one or getting out
Speaker 5: of the motorcade and somebody said, you know, what do
Speaker 5: you what do you think of the port strike? And
Speaker 5: they were talking about Israel striking the port in Yemen. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he said, he said, I'm working. I've been on the
Speaker 5: phone with him. We're going to get a deal. And
Speaker 5: everybody like lost their minds. They had no idea that
Speaker 5: there was a port strike coming. The only court strike
Speaker 5: they knew about was the one that Israel had launched
Speaker 5: on on Hoe data. So he has you know, he
Speaker 5: has been involved in this and you know he's carrying
Speaker 5: he's you know, he's facilitating the launch of a regional
Speaker 5: war now in the Middle East. At the same time,
Speaker 5: no other president has crapped on Taft haartly like that before.
Speaker 5: No other president commuting put out a statement.
Speaker 4: That part was like, maybe we shouldn't have switched out Comma.
Speaker 2: I wish we had more time so we could actually
Speaker 2: get into half heart the politics not fascinating. There was
Speaker 2: a time in this country where every single person knew
Speaker 2: the name.
Speaker 5: It's probably been like when half the country were in.
Speaker 3: Sixty seventy years and something like that.
Speaker 5: Sixty percent of the country was in a union and
Speaker 5: people like it.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: LBJ literally ran on the whole Taft Hartley thing back
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 3: But anyway, we don't have to we.
Speaker 2: Don't have to take We can instead pivot down to
Speaker 2: the vice presidential debate, which of course is going to
Speaker 2: be starting here in about thirty six minutes.
Speaker 3: Just so everybody understands, we will be streaming.
Speaker 2: It will be uh, you'll see the sky shot of
Speaker 2: us like tiny little box down there, and maybe we'll
Speaker 2: interject from time to time so you can watch it
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