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Speaker 3: That is possible.

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Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means

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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's hyperbolic to say, I mean we

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Speaker 1: are truly poised on the brink of a massive regional,

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Speaker 1: if not larger war. We can go ahead and put

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Speaker 1: some images up on the screen here, not entirely unexpected,

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Speaker 1: but still obviously dramatic and deeply disturbing. You had a

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Speaker 1: barrage of missiles fired at Israel ap pearced to be

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Speaker 1: at military sites within Israel across the entire country.

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Speaker 4: Just keep this footage rolling.

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Speaker 1: Some of those missiles, which were reportedly ballistic and hypersonic.

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Speaker 1: Some of them were of course shot down by the

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Speaker 1: Israeli Iron Dome missile defense system. Some of them, though,

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Speaker 1: were not. You can see some of those impacting the

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Speaker 1: ground That may be the ones in Tel Aviv.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I know there were some in Tel Aviv, but really

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Speaker 1: throughout the country. Still very much early hours in terms

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Speaker 1: of assessing what the damage is. As far as we know,

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Speaker 1: there was only one casualty. It was actually a Palestinian

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Speaker 1: one of those interceptor iron dome interceptor missiles. So obviously

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Speaker 1: we've been tracking very closely this continued escalation and the

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Speaker 1: continued provocations from Israel that led to this point, and

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Speaker 1: also the continued abdication of duty from the Biden administration,

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Speaker 1: which is incredibly consequential. Here you have this in response

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Speaker 1: to a number of actions, including the assass targeted assassination

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Speaker 1: We've been kind of waiting for some sort of response

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Speaker 1: there from Iran. They've been I have to say, very

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Speaker 1: And then of course you had the massive attacks on HESBLA,

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Speaker 1: with the assassination of Nosraala, along with the decimation using

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Speaker 1: over eighty two thousand pound bombs of somewhere around one

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Speaker 1: these strikes are in retaliation for those actions. The latest

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Speaker 1: standing strong with Israel. They have a right to defend

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Speaker 1: themselves all the things you would expect them to say.

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris came out and gave a big speech thing,

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Speaker 1: off script, and Israel threatening an aggressive response in reaction

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Speaker 1: to this. And so you know, Ryan, I think this

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Speaker 1: is we were jokings like Dallas humor. This is like

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Speaker 1: the least surprising October surprise of all time, because we

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Speaker 1: have watched the way that Biebe has continued to want

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Speaker 4: And that's no surprise.

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Speaker 1: That's in his political interest, it's in his long term

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Speaker 1: ideological interest. And Joe Biden has said from the beginning

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Speaker 1: that avoiding what you're seeing on your screen right now,

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Speaker 1: that this was his primary goal with respect to Israel

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Speaker 4: My gosh, I'm so angry, I'm so upset, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: This is the incredibly predictable, almost certain result of that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and we have. So the IRGC put out a

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Speaker 5: And they explained why they went after the military targets,

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Speaker 5: by calling it a brazen attack and saying that Iran

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Speaker 1: Last time, reportedly, Biden urged Baby to say, listen, you

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Speaker 1: shot down their missiles. Let's call it, call it even

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Speaker 1: and stop there. No, obviously it didn't stop there, but

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Speaker 5: Did, because that was a yes.

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Speaker 2: Well let's be clear though, in terms of the White

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Speaker 2: I spent the entire day for you know, ri IP

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Speaker 5: The state got Were you there? I got discs No question.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Well there you go. I'm sure you knew it

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Speaker 3: was a good question.

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Speaker 2: The most important one to me was actually Jake Sullivan's statement,

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Speaker 2: where in dig Sullivan's statement he said he saw it

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Speaker 2: will work with Israel in their response, fantascitly basically greenlighting this.

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Speaker 2: We should not forget what happened last time. So yes,

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Speaker 2: the White House did put out a statement and saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: forget that. The Israelis remember struck that air defense system

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Speaker 2: that's right outside an Iranian nuclear site, which was actually

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Speaker 2: very militarily significant. Because if I pair it with some

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Speaker 2: we are seeing open calls for a couple of things,

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Speaker 2: I was watching MSNBC actually to see if audal Mayor,

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Speaker 3: We have enough.

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Speaker 2: Tolly Bennett, the previous Prime minister here theoretically who was

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Speaker 3: He has a long statement out.

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Speaker 2: He says Israel has now the greatest opportunity in fifty

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Speaker 2: we must now remove this terrible threat to our children's future,

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Speaker 2: which grant the Iranian people an opportunity to rise up

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Speaker 2: its daughter. So clearly now regime change is like the

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Speaker 2: on top of a possible assassination of the Ayatola Hamiani.

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Speaker 2: So previously I was watching some senior military officials, former

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Speaker 2: So it is very, very possible that in the next

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Speaker 2: But there's no question that any of US should have

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Speaker 3: We would give them the weapons to do so.

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Speaker 2: Two dozen interceptors were actually fired by US Navy assets.

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Speaker 3: I did the back of an.

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Speaker 2: African mac We are at one hundred million for today

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Speaker 2: just today in terms of how much it costs to

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Speaker 2: a long time. Another big tell is that if you

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Speaker 2: what would the number be if America didn't fire twenty

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Speaker 3: I think we actually know what the answer is.

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Speaker 2: And so you when you start to put all of

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Speaker 2: deterrence restored. That's a tell because they keep saying it

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Speaker 2: was an ineffective attack.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not an ineffective attack.

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Speaker 2: It struck military targets inside of Israel, didn't kill anyone,

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Speaker 2: probably more by design on the Iranian side, Well, I.

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Speaker 6: Was gonna say, I mean it was this was intended

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Speaker 6: to overwhelm the iron domes, the saturation ballistic missiles when

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Speaker 6: you do that, you're specifically trying to overwhelm the Iron Dome.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so that's obviously what it was.

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Speaker 2: So that Yeah, and that's another thing. There's Iron Dome,

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Speaker 2: there's Arrow three, and there's David Slings. So iron Dome

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Speaker 2: typically used for rockets. I believe the ballistical missile defense

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Speaker 2: Arrow three David Sling also was engaged. But anyways, I mean,

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Speaker 2: and also who wants to know who sells each the

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Speaker 2: part of all three events?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you're right, where do you think all

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Speaker 2: Everything is from the United States. So we are fully

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Speaker 2: going to be involved. And if you think that there's

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Speaker 2: going to be an Israeli attempt to overthrow how many

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Speaker 2: people live in Iran? Tens of millions, a country of

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Speaker 2: ten million can try and have regime change in a

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Speaker 2: country of tens of millions of people, massive a traditional

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Speaker 2: power center in the Middle East, Right, Okay, but you

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Speaker 2: know that's not actually wouldn't wipe out this quote unquote

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Speaker 2: There's no question about who's actually going to be the

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Speaker 2: moment America is basically tacitly green lighting, and it's really

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Speaker 2: bombing of Iran, something Obama works tirelessly in an office

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Speaker 2: to try to prevent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm really shocking.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think you can say tacitly when you

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Speaker 1: know tacitly backing it. Based on the public comments and

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Speaker 3: We don't even understand what he thinks about any of that.

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Speaker 2: be clear, is Iran is not only a threat to Israel.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and Iran back terrorists. That's a Trump statement.

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Speaker 1: If you read that statement, I would have no idea

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Speaker 4: You've got a few on side of that. It could

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Speaker 3: It's replacement.

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Speaker 3: All stupid, why don't we play that we have a

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Speaker 2: Ready, everybody, Let's go ahead, Eric if you can, and

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Speaker 8: I speak a lot about the leaders of Iran, yet

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Speaker 8: you make fiery speeches about defending Lebanon, defending Gaza. Yet

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Speaker 8: every day that regime plunges our region deeper into darkness

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Speaker 8: As muhammadev Asnzuela, there is nowhere in the Middle East

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Speaker 9: With every passing.

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Speaker 1: I was just saying, incredible to hear him in one

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Speaker 5: This was before the Iran This wasfore.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and it's very similar language to what

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Speaker 1: Very similar language before they went into Lebanon. And now

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Speaker 5: If you follow Yunis to Rawi or others who are

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Speaker 4: And it's also really important in all.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow if only tonight.

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Speaker 4: It could be over tomorrow and.

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Speaker 5: Then we'd have an interesting election on it. Go ahead, yeah, Boebe,

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Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: Wonder if Joe Biden would prefer to have Trump in

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, not to turn it right to

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Speaker 1: be competing over who can be more hawkish, Yes, but

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Speaker 2: Right, JD and Trump have the easier job of it

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Speaker 3: And that's you know. I actually I saw an interesting I.

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Speaker 2: Think he's an Atlantic writer, Tyler Harper, very big Kamala,

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Speaker 2: It was like Iran didn't do this while I was

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Speaker 3: It's chaos. That's good for the income, right.

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Speaker 2: But there's like a there's like an there is an

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Speaker 2: an open mic. He said it up before Congress. This

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Speaker 2: has been his ideological project. Also, we were just talking

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Speaker 2: about how Gaza is getting hit. You know, another thing,

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Speaker 2: we're not even talking about the hostages, who the only

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Speaker 2: sympathetic thing that potentially could have constrained that they don't

443
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Speaker 2: care about them anymore. There you can kill them or

444
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Speaker 2: they let them die. They don't care, you know, and

445
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Speaker 2: they never had.

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Speaker 1: We always known that they never cared, because from day one,

447
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Speaker 1: there was a deal on the table all for all,

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Speaker 1: you release all our hostages, We release all your hostages.

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Speaker 5: There was also a deal on the table that they've

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Speaker 5: talked about since then. They talked about this with Jeremy

451
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Speaker 5: and some of his interviews within days. They said, look,

452
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Speaker 5: this was a much bigger operation than we expected it

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Speaker 5: was going to be. We will give you all the

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Speaker 5: civilians if you pledge not to just send ground troops

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Speaker 5: into Gaza, all of them right now, and then from

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Speaker 5: there you bomb us all you want, and we'll work

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Speaker 5: out a deal for the for the military captives that

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Speaker 5: we have, for hostages that you have, we'll trade them

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Speaker 5: back and forth. Yeah, like that was it they put

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Speaker 5: that deal on the table. No, well, no, it's.

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Speaker 6: Also worth I mean just thinking about when you have

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Speaker 6: Israelis today hiding in bomb shelters and actual like craters

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Speaker 6: Israeli territory.

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Speaker 3: What that is going to do?

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Speaker 6: I mean just psychologically to the politics in Israel. That's

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Speaker 6: going to Yahoo responds to that. Obviously, his political future

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Speaker 6: is important because his actual like freedom as a human being.

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Speaker 5: It's madam, very like it was either the Israel Twitter

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Speaker 5: account or the idea of Twitter account. And you know

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Speaker 5: they often will do these weird cringes off like what

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Speaker 5: is this so the what is this tweet of their today?

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Speaker 5: They wrote in all caps, this is not normal. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and there's so many layers to that, like what do

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Speaker 5: you mean it's not normal? Like, do you guys not

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Speaker 5: watch your own broadcasts? Do not read your own news?

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Speaker 5: What has your military been doing for eleven straight months? If?

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Speaker 5: If this isn't normal, what they're saying is not normal

478
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Speaker 5: is that they're shooting back at.

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Speaker 2: Them and hitting it and actually hitting.

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Speaker 5: And what they're also saying is that this is not

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Speaker 5: normal for white people, Like there's something there's it's a

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Speaker 5: message that's being sent to like the US and Europe,

483
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Speaker 5: like we are your bastion of civilization. We should not

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Speaker 5: have to live through this. These brown people, they're used

485
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Speaker 5: to this, this violent environment that's normal for them. For us,

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Speaker 5: it's not normal times. Visrael has an interesting line. They say,

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Speaker 5: the exact locations of such impacts and damage are barred

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Speaker 5: from publication by the idea of sensor And.

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Speaker 2: You should note clearly a lot of those videos that

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Speaker 2: initially put out were taken down. The most important videos

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Speaker 2: that are coming out are those that were filmed in

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Speaker 2: the West Bank or in Gaza. That's the only reason

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Speaker 2: that we know for sure, and from live TV cameras

494
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Speaker 2: rolling here in the United States that there were significant hits.

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Speaker 2: So do not believe the Israelis whenever they say, oh

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Speaker 2: it was a one hundred, but whatever bullshit number they

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Speaker 2: put out like they did last time, there were serious

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Speaker 2: There was damage that was happened tonight, happened to military assets.

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Speaker 5: There was damage in April as well. Yes, that's been

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Speaker 5: fleaked out, but there was complicity that everyone agreed to say.

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Speaker 5: You know what, let's not admit how much damage there

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Speaker 5: was because that reduces public pressure. So okay, you know

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Speaker 5: what I was gonna get behind that there was no damage.

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Speaker 4: You want to say were fund But the thing.

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Speaker 5: Is we're news organizations that we're going to have to

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Speaker 5: say that.

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Speaker 1: It also doesn't appear like sorry. It also doesn't appear

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Speaker 1: like they are planning on de escalating or using this

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Speaker 1: as an excuse to save face and avoid retaliatory response whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: So it's just incredibly dark and basically, you know.

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Speaker 1: This is the latest provocations that we described that the

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Speaker 1: target assassination of Ismail Hania, the Taxon Haswala assassination of Nostralla.

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Speaker 1: There's also a type top IRGC commander who was killed

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Speaker 1: in those strikes as well. Those are just the most

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Speaker 1: recent provocations. But Bibe has been spoiling for this fight

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Speaker 1: the whole time. And the lap previous strikes in April

517
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Speaker 1: from Iran, those were closely basically coordinated with the US.

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Speaker 1: There was a heads up given through you know, through

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Speaker 1: these back channels. The types of they used, you know,

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Speaker 1: older missiles and drones that could be more easily detected.

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Speaker 1: It was of a different scale. It was intentionally designed.

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Speaker 1: It appears to save some face but not really do

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Speaker 1: a lot of significant damage. This is you know, this

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Speaker 1: is Iran finally somewhat giving Babe what he wants because

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Speaker 1: they were faced with the prospect of okay, so it

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Speaker 1: looks like it doesn't matter whether we attack Israel or not,

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Speaker 1: They're going to attack us. So we can either just

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Speaker 1: sit back and take that, or we can go out

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Speaker 1: and try to do something and try to save some

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Speaker 1: face in advance after these you know, extraordinary provocations. And

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Speaker 1: so after all of this time, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: Iran basically giving Babe what he wants that will give

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Speaker 1: him the chips to work with to you know, get

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Speaker 1: his bigger war and get the US on board.

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Speaker 4: And all of this.

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Speaker 1: I was singing on the way over here. It sort

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Speaker 1: of reminds me of the like ropodope strategy that Kamala

538
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Speaker 1: deployed so effectively. It's Donald Trump in the last debate.

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Speaker 1: It's also predictable, like it's almost theater.

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Speaker 4: How many times have.

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Speaker 1: We been warning that this is worth thinking? Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're smart people, but we're not geniuses, and we don't

543
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Speaker 1: have access to internal communic again and intelligence and whatever.

544
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Speaker 1: And it's like, don't you see what he wants? Don't

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Speaker 1: you see where this is heading? And I don't know

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Speaker 1: what they like. The answer is either they're the dumbest

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Speaker 1: people on earth or they're just incredibly evil. And I'm

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Speaker 1: really not sure that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe this is a project. This is what

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Speaker 2: they want, This is what Beebie wants. He knows that

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Speaker 2: if he if they strike Iranian nuclear facility or if

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Speaker 2: they kill the Ayatola, there is a one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: chance of full blown US involvement in the war. It's impossible,

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Speaker 2: it's quite little. So all you have to do is

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Speaker 2: get things to that level. And now you're not fine.

556
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Speaker 2: And then, by the way, those bombs, where do you

557
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Speaker 2: think they're all coming from? Now when we're in it together,

558
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Speaker 2: and then the American people do everything. Look, the other

559
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Speaker 2: thing I've really come to realize is not only are

560
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Speaker 2: people not following this, but the level of propaganda is wild.

561
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Speaker 2: So like I watch all three that works immediately on Fox,

562
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Speaker 2: the very first thing you hear is like, we need

563
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Speaker 2: regime change.

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Speaker 3: This is all Biden's fault. This we need regime change.

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Speaker 3: It's all Biden's fault.

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Speaker 2: We need to have a full blown war. They didn't

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Speaker 2: have a single guest on that didn't say that I saw.

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Speaker 2: I don't have CNN through the plan or whatever. I okay,

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Speaker 2: so I'll rely on you. Tooe on MSNBC, it was

570
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Speaker 2: the same. It's like even aoudle Maher, the liberal former

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Speaker 2: Israeli PM regime change. We need regime change in Iran.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching this being like, look, the boomers who control

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Speaker 2: all of our lives, like they believe this shit, Like

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Speaker 2: they they will back a war with Iran. It would

575
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Speaker 2: take it will be like Iraq again. We will need

576
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Speaker 2: three years of the disaster. The boomers will buy hook

577
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Speaker 2: line and sinker until tens of thousands of Americans and

578
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Speaker 2: others are either wounded or killed.

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Speaker 3: And then eventually people are like maybe with in such

580
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Speaker 3: a bad idea this is potentially so much worse than

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Speaker 3: a rock.

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Speaker 6: Just today, Jake Sullivan, Just today, Jake Sullivan posted a

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Speaker 6: victory lap about the Biden administration's foreign policy. Was sort

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Speaker 6: of just like how last year Jake Sullivan was talking

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Speaker 6: about how the Middle East has never been this peaceful.

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Speaker 3: A week before October seventh.

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Speaker 6: Today he publishes this long essay in Foreign Affairs about

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Speaker 6: how successful I'm sorry, this is Blinket, not Jake Sullivan. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Blinken publishes this long essay in Foreign Affairs about how

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Speaker 6: successful the Biden administration.

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Speaker 4: Foreign policy has been.

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Speaker 6: One of his points, one of his points was literally

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Speaker 6: that the relationship between the Brooks countries is superficial. It's

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Speaker 6: not as rooted as a lot of people say it is,

595
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Speaker 6: and the Biden administration is handling all of this. That

596
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Speaker 6: is quite a bet to take in a situation like

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Speaker 6: this where you're absolutely right, we are pulled into it

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Speaker 6: no matter what, and we are currently there's a kinetic

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Speaker 6: war between our ally that we are funding and Russia.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is like insane.

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Speaker 6: Levels of geopolitical fragility and A we don't know where

602
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Speaker 6: the commander in chief is and B that is that

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Speaker 6: should terrify everyone because in recent days, the US has

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Speaker 6: not had a heads up about Estralla the strike. They

605
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Speaker 6: were not told in advance about the pagers, And I'm like,

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Speaker 6: whatever you think about that. The point is, we are

607
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Speaker 6: funding this war that has all of these different implications geopolitically,

608
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Speaker 6: we are supporting this, We're backing it on the international stage.

609
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Speaker 6: And it's basically out of Biden's control. The other not

610
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Speaker 6: that it's not his fault for how it's escalated, but

611
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Speaker 6: like he does anyone have confidence that he's being listened to.

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Speaker 2: The irony too, I keep thinking about it is everyone

613
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Speaker 2: always said, oh, well, we got to fund Ukraine so

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Speaker 2: that China does invade time, Okay, we got a fund

615
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Speaker 2: Israel so that China doesn't invade Taiwan. If America gets

616
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Speaker 2: itself involved in two ground wars and is bogged down

617
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Speaker 2: and selling weapons, what do you think the best possible

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Speaker 2: timing to invade Taiwan is?

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Speaker 3: What are actually care? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Are the US Navy is shooting down spending one hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollars in one day, a billion dollars in a

622
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Speaker 2: single day last time around, using all of our production facilities,

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Speaker 2: and the only actual country matters to the United States

624
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Speaker 2: will actually get taken out. It's like this is the

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Speaker 2: the illogic of all of their arguments of like their

626
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Speaker 2: whole d what is it de escalate through escalation?

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Speaker 3: What a nonsense.

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Speaker 1: It's going really well, that plan's going really especially with Biden.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we can't. We have to linger.

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Speaker 3: He's cooked, his brain is gone.

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Speaker 2: Whatever is left there is just like he's like, that's

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Speaker 2: all we get from it, and we get slept Walk.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's slept walk, Like I said,

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Speaker 2: I think it was an evil These Brett McGirk and

635
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Speaker 2: other officials behind the scenes very clearly just hijacked the

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Speaker 2: White House and the administration, possibly with his assent or not,

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Speaker 2: regardless of his responsibility. He's the president and this is

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Speaker 2: where we're here. And so and imagine this. If Biden

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Speaker 2: loses Kama the election because of the mean Iran war,

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Speaker 2: how could they politically ever justify it. But if when

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Speaker 2: they get the you know, the explanation afterwards, they won't.

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't mention it once like it wasn't because of it, Rod,

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Speaker 2: it was something else. That's what why she lost.

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Speaker 1: You were talking about the news coverage, and yeah, I

645
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Speaker 1: was watching CNN.

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Speaker 4: Reminded me why I don't watch.

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Speaker 6: Does of Jake Taburn wolf Blitzer.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just I know, I'm Pollyannish, I guess

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Speaker 1: about this, But I think human lives matter. I think

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Speaker 1: human lives, whether they're Israeli or Lebanese or Palestinian, like,

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Speaker 1: I think they should all matter and we should care

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Speaker 1: about them as equally as we can. And one thousand

653
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Speaker 1: Lebanese people were slaughtered last week and they didn't care

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Speaker 1: at all, not at all.

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Speaker 4: I Toy did this, and it's true.

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Speaker 1: I literally saw more Karen concern for inanimate objects in

657
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Speaker 1: Tel Aviv today than I saw for a single slaughtered

658
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Speaker 1: Lebanese person, let alone. The God only knows how many

659
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Speaker 1: Palestinians have been killed at this point. And you know,

660
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Speaker 1: I know people feel like this is all very far

661
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Speaker 1: away right now. But I said this to you Emily

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Speaker 1: when we were co hosting on Monday, like we're we're

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Speaker 1: at a tipping point in terms of the international order.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 1: It's the era of the US soule superpower and the

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Speaker 1: post World War two can sell it's gone, it's gone.

667
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Speaker 1: What's happening right now is authoring the rules of the

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Speaker 1: road going forward, and right now, those rules of the

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Speaker 1: road look like, if you have the bombs, you can

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Speaker 1: blow up schools, una agencies, embassies. You know, you can

671
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Speaker 1: drop eighty five bombs on residential buildings to keep get

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Speaker 1: one dude. You compare that to what we did with

673
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Speaker 1: Bin Laan. Not to say we're perfect, but compare that

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Speaker 1: to what we did with Bin lan we're authoring eight today.

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Speaker 5: We would just bomb that entire town.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're authoring a new order where hey, if you

677
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Speaker 1: can infiltrate a civilian supply chain and booby trap walkie

678
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Speaker 1: talkies or cell phones or laptop computers and harm.

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Speaker 4: Your adversary, hey go do it.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to invade your next neighbor and

681
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Speaker 1: create a quote unquote buffer zone.

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Speaker 4: Hey go ahead.

683
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Speaker 1: And you got the arms, you got the weapons, go ahead,

684
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Speaker 1: it's your right. That's the world that we are authoring

685
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: right now, because who which of our average like, what

686
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Speaker 1: credibility would we have to complain about it going forward?

687
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Speaker 1: When we're not just tacitly agreeing to it, we're encouraging it.

688
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Speaker 1: We're shipping the bombs, we're providing the cover our politicians

689
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Speaker 1: are going out and saying this is right and good

690
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Speaker 1: and it was a measure of justice. Like that's the

691
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Speaker 1: world we're all going to have to live in that

692
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Speaker 1: is being authored right now in this moment.

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Speaker 6: And doing it under the pretense of the rule space

694
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Speaker 6: international order, right, Like, that's what's so wild about the

695
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Speaker 6: way that the US has approached this conflict actually for years,

696
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Speaker 6: not just since October seventh, wielding the so called rulespase

697
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Speaker 6: international Order as a cudgel against other countries well then

698
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Speaker 6: also sort of turning a.

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Speaker 5: Blind eye to it.

700
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Speaker 6: And it's that inconsistency that if you care, let's just

701
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Speaker 6: say you're an America first realist, like let's say your

702
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Speaker 6: team MAGA, not exactly Team Mega America America is realist.

703
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Speaker 6: But this is actually, I'm not gonna speak for you,

704
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Speaker 6: but this is actually kind of your perspective that like,

705
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Speaker 6: you completely destroy the credibility of.

706
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Speaker 2: Your credibility was destroyed the day that we invaded Iraq.

707
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Speaker 2: But okay, let's yes, let's but that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, what drives me crazy, Yes, when I have to

709
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Speaker 3: hear about like.

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Speaker 9: Oh, Russia struck a single.

711
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian apartment building and then at the same time I watched,

712
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Speaker 2: you know, the naz RelA apartment building get blown it

713
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Speaker 2: apart with it, and I'm like, why should I care?

714
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Speaker 2: Exactly like, we're okay with it here and we're not here,

715
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Speaker 2: and so one is noble, the other is fine. Which

716
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Speaker 2: is it? Which one is it? And it's like that's

717
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Speaker 2: the maddening part of it. You're also very correct. I

718
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Speaker 2: really want to echo what you said. You know, you

719
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Speaker 2: think America doesn't have the possibility capability to infiltrate a

720
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Speaker 2: supply chain and blow people up?

721
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we do. Do you think that we don't have

722
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Speaker 3: the capability.

723
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Speaker 2: To level like been luck we could have destroyed we

724
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Speaker 2: could have wiped a bodabot off the map, the entire city.

725
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Speaker 5: However, there are many people Army academy.

726
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Speaker 2: We don't don't do it and didn't do it for

727
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Speaker 2: a reason, which is where you're like, well, if you

728
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Speaker 2: do this, we're opening up a whole can of worms

729
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Speaker 2: and all that. And you know, if you are, what

730
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Speaker 2: did Russia want to do in Ukraine?

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Speaker 3: They wanted to d not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at the language from naugh Tally Bennett

733
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Speaker 2: and others about the Iranians.

734
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Speaker 3: I believe thed called them Nazis, and it's.

735
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Speaker 2: Like, okay, well we're normalizing the rhetoric here, and then

736
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Speaker 2: we're you know, saying that the rhetoric over here is

737
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Speaker 2: so horrible. Well, which one is it? And people in

738
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Speaker 2: India they see the difference. People in Brazil they see

739
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Speaker 2: the difference. The rising global powers see it completely differently

740
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Speaker 2: than the way than the way that we do. And

741
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Speaker 2: rogue nations all over the world can look at Israel

742
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Speaker 2: like Russia looking at Israel. Wow, they will laugh in

743
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Speaker 2: our face whenever they say that they want to keep

744
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Speaker 2: twenty percent of Ukraine and we say that that's somehow,

745
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Speaker 2: some threat to democracy.

746
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Speaker 3: Look at the Armenia Azerbaijan situation.

747
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Speaker 2: A lot of people move past that that was not

748
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Speaker 2: only used with Israeli weapons, but the pretext a lot

749
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Speaker 2: of it was now, now is the right time to

750
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Speaker 2: resolve all of these questions. So we have created this

751
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Speaker 2: deeply unstable international system of which we no longer have

752
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Speaker 2: the crutch of even the rhetoric of the rules based

753
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Speaker 2: international order. And it does and this is the other key.

754
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: It makes America not only less safe because we're tied

755
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Speaker 2: to this, but the global system is designed for the

756
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Speaker 2: American way of life, Like look at these bombings in Yemen.

757
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: You know this with the hoo thies and all those

758
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Speaker 2: strikes as we're about to talk about with the ports,

759
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Speaker 2: these people have tremendous you know, impact over all of

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Speaker 2: our lives. The so called rules based international order was

761
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Speaker 2: just a pretext for the American empire to make stuff cheap.

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Speaker 3: I actually kind of support.

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Speaker 2: That, but my point as long as they're all being

764
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Speaker 2: honest about what it is.

765
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Speaker 3: But that's going to go away.

766
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Speaker 4: This is BacT.

767
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Speaker 2: Now we're all going to see what the reality of

768
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Speaker 2: taking that away and enabling these types of things are.

769
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Speaker 2: And that actually terrifies me more than anything, because America

770
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Speaker 2: is already broke. Where things are right now, imagine twenty

771
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Speaker 2: five thirty five, forty fifty sixty percent inflation. We're living

772
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Speaker 2: in another world, I mean literally in another world. And

773
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Speaker 2: our entire economic system is built on cheap capital and

774
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Speaker 2: cheap goods and debt. And so when you step to

775
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Speaker 2: then turn around increased military GP and we we might

776
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Speaker 2: have to have a draft like who god knows what,

777
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Speaker 2: and this is not far fetched. If we get into

778
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Speaker 2: a war with Iran, Iraq broke US, Yeah.

779
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Speaker 1: I also just want to mention I can't imagine being

780
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Speaker 1: in issues of someone who's in like you know, near Asheville,

781
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Speaker 1: North Carolina, and just had their empire like life destroyed

782
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Speaker 1: and flooded and still no sell and no food and whatever,

783
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Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, and here we go with another

784
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Speaker 1: fucking war. Like you know or anyone anywhere in the country.

785
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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, struggling and like the priorities

786
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Speaker 1: to be because we did not vote for this.

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Speaker 4: We voted for the opposite of this many times.

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Speaker 3: Right.

789
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Speaker 1: You look at the polling on conditioning aid to Israel,

790
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Speaker 1: on continuing ship weapons to is overwhelming. It's overwhelming, but

791
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Speaker 1: the lockstep consensus out of Washington leaves none of us

792
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Speaker 1: with any doubt no matter what happens in this election

793
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Speaker 1: where this is all headed. I do want to get

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Speaker 1: really quickly to the port strike. Yeah, let's do it,

795
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Speaker 1: because you know, speaking of what's going on domestically and shipping,

796
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Speaker 1: you gave us a good segue there, and I do

797
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Speaker 1: want to, you know, spend some time preving in the

798
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Speaker 1: debate before the debate actually starts. But you've got forty

799
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Speaker 1: five thousand port workers now on strike, you know, stretching

800
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Speaker 1: from Maine all the way to Texas, and the president

801
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Speaker 1: of that union being quite fiery in his rhetoric about

802
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Speaker 1: what this means. Obviously, you know, if if the longshoremen

803
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Speaker 1: are not working, goods are not moving in those ports,

804
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Speaker 1: now what the economists and what the politicians are saying

805
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Speaker 1: is okay. Well, for a few days, businesses were kind

806
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Speaker 1: of prepared for this, and they re routed goods to

807
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Speaker 1: the West Coast, et cetera, et cetera. If it drags on, though,

808
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Speaker 1: there will be significant impact. Let's take a listen to

809
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Speaker 1: a little bit of what the president of the International

810
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Speaker 1: Longshoreman's Union had to say.

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Speaker 9: These people today don't know what a shreike is.

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Speaker 7: Right when my men hit the streets from Maine to Texas,

813
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Speaker 7: every single port a lockdown, you know what's gonna happen,

814
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Speaker 7: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 9: First week be all over the news, every nine boom boom.

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Speaker 7: Second week, guys who sell casts can't sell costs because

817
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Speaker 7: the cars ain't coming in off the ships. They get

818
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Speaker 7: laid off. Third week, malls are closing down. They can't

819
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Speaker 7: get the goods from China, they can't sell clothes, they

820
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Speaker 7: can't do this.

821
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Speaker 9: Everything in the United.

822
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Speaker 7: States comes on a ship, they go out of business.

823
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Speaker 7: Construction workers get laid off because the materials aren't coming in,

824
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Speaker 7: the steel's not coming in, the lumber's not coming in.

825
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Speaker 9: They lose their job.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's hating the long showman now because now they realize

827
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Speaker 7: how important our jobs are. Now I have the President

828
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Speaker 7: screaming at me. I'm putting a taff Hartley on.

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Speaker 9: You go ahead, Ted, Folly means I have to go

830
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Speaker 9: back to work for ninety days after cooling you off. Period.

831
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Speaker 7: Do you think when I go back for ninety days,

832
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Speaker 7: those men are going to go to work on that pier.

833
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Speaker 9: It's going to cost the money, the company's money to

834
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Speaker 9: pay the salaries.

835
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Speaker 7: Well, they go one from thirty moves and now and

836
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Speaker 7: maybe the eight they're gonna be like this, who's gonna

837
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Speaker 7: win here? In the long run, You're better off sitting

838
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Speaker 7: down and let's get a contract and let's move on

839
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Speaker 7: with this world.

840
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Speaker 9: And could today's world. I'll cripple you.

841
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Speaker 7: I will cripple you, and you'll have no idea what

842
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Speaker 7: that means.

843
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 9: Nobody does.

844
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Speaker 4: So he clearly Ryan understands the power.

845
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Speaker 5: It would have been better if you would be better

846
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Speaker 5: if he was a TikTok and he was in a

847
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Speaker 5: passenger seat, yeah, talking into it.

848
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that would be the vibe.

849
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Speaker 1: Give us all you you really flag this and have

850
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Speaker 1: been on top of this more than maybe anyone, So

851
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Speaker 1: give us a sense of the history here, what they're

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Speaker 1: asking for, etc.

853
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Speaker 5: I mean, they know that they have the choke points

854
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Speaker 5: of the economy and.

855
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Speaker 4: The choke points of this election coming up too.

856
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Speaker 5: And with the election be coming up, Yes, but at

857
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Speaker 5: the same time, they know there's going to be like

858
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Speaker 5: he said, he's going to have the president yelling at him.

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Speaker 5: He's going to have Mayor re Pete, no doubt yelling

860
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Speaker 5: at him. Mayor Repete's been in the middle of this

861
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Speaker 5: trying to get it to a deal. They're asking for

862
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Speaker 5: five dollars an hour extra a year every year for

863
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Speaker 5: their six for their six year contract, and they're fighting

864
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Speaker 5: against automation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

866
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Speaker 5: Those are the two. Those are the two big things.

867
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The automation piece seems to be a really significant part

869
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Speaker 1: of it as well, which is something we've tracked with

870
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Speaker 1: other strikes, in particular some of the Hollywood strikes previously,

871
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Speaker 1: where the writers were really concerned and the actors were

872
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Speaker 1: very concerned about the use of their likenesses.

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Speaker 2: Let's put the next one up on the screen, please,

874
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Speaker 2: can we put up is it C two?

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Speaker 3: Because that actually has a map. This is kind of useful.

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Speaker 2: So what you see are all of the ports there

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Speaker 2: along the East coast that are currently shut down. The

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Speaker 2: port of New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore is so significant in

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Speaker 2: terms of the amount of trade.

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Speaker 3: This also comes.

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Speaker 2: Before retail is about to have its biggest quarter Q four,

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Speaker 2: always the biggest one for retail December thanksgiving all of

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Speaker 2: those sales. So I mean, it's very smartly timed on

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Speaker 2: their part. It would I mean, in terms of the

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Speaker 2: specifics of the contract, like Ryan was saying, they're asking

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Speaker 2: for that raise that would happen. What was it? The

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Speaker 2: ISLA wants the base hourly rate for it to change

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Speaker 2: to sixty nine dollars from a thirty nine dollars for hour,

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Speaker 2: a seventy seven percent pay increase that would fit phase

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Speaker 2: in over six years as a condition to sit down

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Speaker 2: to talks with maritime employers. The kind of issue right

892
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Speaker 2: now is that they rejected the previous one, the ISLA.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't just over wage issues. It was specifically

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Speaker 2: also about automation. Their response to everyone who's like, oh,

895
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Speaker 2: that's ridiculous, like, well, first of all, it's over six years.

896
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Speaker 2: But their real beef with them is about the amount

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Speaker 2: of profit that ocean carriers had during COVID, so everyone

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Speaker 2: will remember all of that have been cleaned up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they raised prices.

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Speaker 4: Those the worst abusers in terms of corporate there.

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Speaker 2: Worst who was it. They're they're worse than the trains.

902
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: Like remember we cover yeah, railway strikes. These people are

903
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Speaker 2: filthy rich. So that's really where the where the actual

904
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Speaker 2: sticking point is. I think the real question will actually

905
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Speaker 2: about beat about media coverage because kind of like last time,

906
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Speaker 2: the railway workers weren't able to get their message across

907
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Speaker 2: really at all. Biden crushed them effectively and forced through

908
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Speaker 2: that deal. So this time kind of like he's saying,

909
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Speaker 2: he's like, well, the media is going to blame us,

910
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Speaker 2: but you know, if you actually explain the situation, look,

911
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Speaker 2: without taking a side or whatever, if you explain the situation,

912
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Speaker 2: it's reasonable in terms of the way the contract works

913
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Speaker 2: and all of that. Politically, I have seen criticism of

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Speaker 2: them of like, hey, you guys are screwing over Biden

915
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Speaker 2: and the Democrats like when they need you once, but

916
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Speaker 2: if the contract comes up over every six years, what

917
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: are you supposed to do?

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Speaker 3: Just wait another Like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like total nonsense, Like yeah, their contract was up.

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Speaker 1: It's not like they timed it to coincide with the election.

921
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Speaker 1: Now it happens to give them some a little digital.

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Speaker 4: Leverage, but puts the three up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This will be interesting to see if there's a question

924
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Speaker 1: tonight at the debate to JD Vance and Tim Walls.

925
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Speaker 4: About this strike.

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Speaker 1: So Biden so far has been pretty much on the

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Speaker 1: side of the workers. He said, mister he was asking,

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Speaker 1: mister present, will you intervene in the dock workers strike

929
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Speaker 1: if they go on strike on Tuesday? He said no,

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Speaker 1: And they said why not because there's collective bargaining and

931
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Speaker 1: I don't believe in TAFT hardly. So, without getting too

932
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Speaker 1: much into the minutie, here and here you have Bernie

933
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Speaker 1: Sanders saying President bideners right, and Biden put on another

934
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Speaker 1: statement that you know, echoed and elaborated on this basic instinct.

935
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Speaker 1: The railway workers are operate under a different set of

936
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Speaker 1: specific laws that are specific to their industry, whereas the

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Speaker 1: dock workers are just broadly under a taft hardly. So

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Speaker 1: you have Republicans, a lot of Republicans now who are like,

939
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Speaker 1: use taff hardly to stop this strike that's going to

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Speaker 1: be devastated the economy, et cetera, et cetera. And you've

941
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Speaker 1: had Biden so far on the other side of that saying, know,

942
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Speaker 1: there's a collective bargaining and you know collective bargaining is occurring,

943
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Speaker 1: the the companies.

944
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Speaker 4: Need to do right by the workers, et cetera, et cetera.

945
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Speaker 1: So, given jadie Vance's positioning in particular, is trying to

946
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Speaker 1: be more pro labor, trying to signal, you know, more

947
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Speaker 1: friendliness towards unions, I'm curious how he would handle a

948
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Speaker 1: question on this issue because most Republicans have been on

949
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Speaker 1: the side of just like crush the workers and getting

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Speaker 1: them back to.

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Speaker 4: Work, and you know, you have Trump out there.

952
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's unlike you never know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're.

954
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Speaker 4: Economic issue right right now, they.

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Speaker 5: Catch on that it's happening. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Do they watch counterpoints?

957
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Speaker 5: They should. It's happening now and a week from now,

958
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Speaker 5: if it's still happening, it's all anybody's going to be talking.

959
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Speaker 1: About right, Yeah, no, that's exactly right, and it would

960
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Speaker 1: be I'm curious to what Trump would say about it,

961
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Speaker 1: because he.

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Speaker 3: Well, this guy is friends with Trump, apparently are there's

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Speaker 3: photos of the.

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Speaker 1: But I think the Union did endorse Kamala that yes, well,

965
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Speaker 1: so you know that's not unusual or in common in

966
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Speaker 1: the labor world. But the Union is officially behind Kamala Harris.

967
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Speaker 1: But you know, Trump Hill do these sort of like

968
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Speaker 1: virtue signals towards labor. But then when it push comes

969
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: to shove, he's there bragging with Elon about how cool

970
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: it was that Elon was firing striking workers and complaining

971
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Speaker 1: about how we never liked to pay overtime and would

972
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Speaker 1: do whatever he could to get.

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Speaker 4: Out of it.

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Speaker 1: So you know what comes down to the specifics, it's

975
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Speaker 1: not always there.

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Speaker 6: Well, and let's put this next element up on the

977
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Speaker 6: screen because Ryan, I want to see if you agree

978
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Speaker 6: with your former colleague Stampskin, who says this latest Biden

979
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Speaker 6: statement on the potential strigglings heavily in favor of the

980
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Speaker 6: long shortman demands. So Biden says collective bargain bargaining is

981
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Speaker 6: the best way for workers to get the pay and

982
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Speaker 6: benefits they deserve. I have urged USMX, which represents a

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Speaker 6: group of four NORN carriers, to come to the table

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Speaker 6: and present a fair work offer to the workers of

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Speaker 6: the International Long Shorman's Association that ensures they're paid appropriately

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Speaker 6: aligned with their invaluable contribution. So we were just talking

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Speaker 6: writing about the sort of unknown, the known unknown of

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Speaker 6: Biden in foreign policy right now, Like we know that

989
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Speaker 6: he's the president, we don't know what that means at

990
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Speaker 6: any given moment. How could that translate to potential negotiations here?

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Speaker 3: What are the tea leaves that you read from that?

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Speaker 5: Well when he was did you see the clip where

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Speaker 5: he was getting off Air Force one or getting out

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Speaker 5: of the motorcade and somebody said, you know, what do

995
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Speaker 5: you what do you think of the port strike? And

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00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 5: they were talking about Israel striking the port in Yemen. Yeah,

997
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Speaker 5: he said, he said, I'm working. I've been on the

998
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Speaker 5: phone with him. We're going to get a deal. And

999
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Speaker 5: everybody like lost their minds. They had no idea that

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Speaker 5: there was a port strike coming. The only court strike

1001
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Speaker 5: they knew about was the one that Israel had launched

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Speaker 5: on on Hoe data. So he has you know, he

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Speaker 5: has been involved in this and you know he's carrying

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Speaker 5: he's you know, he's facilitating the launch of a regional

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Speaker 5: war now in the Middle East. At the same time,

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Speaker 5: no other president has crapped on Taft haartly like that before.

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Speaker 5: No other president commuting put out a statement.

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Speaker 4: That part was like, maybe we shouldn't have switched out Comma.

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Speaker 2: I wish we had more time so we could actually

1010
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Speaker 2: get into half heart the politics not fascinating. There was

1011
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 2: a time in this country where every single person knew

1012
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Speaker 2: the name.

1013
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 5: It's probably been like when half the country were in.

1014
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Speaker 3: Sixty seventy years and something like that.

1015
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Speaker 5: Sixty percent of the country was in a union and

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Speaker 5: people like it.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: LBJ literally ran on the whole Taft Hartley thing back

1019
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Speaker 2: in nineteen forty eight.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, we don't have to we.

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Speaker 2: Don't have to take We can instead pivot down to

1022
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Speaker 2: the vice presidential debate, which of course is going to

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Speaker 2: be starting here in about thirty six minutes.

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Speaker 3: Just so everybody understands, we will be streaming.

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Speaker 2: It will be uh, you'll see the sky shot of

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Speaker 2: us like tiny little box down there, and maybe we'll

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Speaker 2: interject from time to time so you can watch it

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