1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hello, everyone, 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: welcome back to I Choose Me. Janine Turner and I 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: are having the best time sharing stories about Hollywood back 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: in the day and what we're spending our time on 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: now that our beautiful girls are grown. Let's jump back in. 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: I just love that being at this stage in our 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: lives where our kids are grown and they need us less, 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: and we're sort of stepping into these unknown, new, exciting 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: versions of ourselves, you know, like kind of rediscovering passions 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: and trying things out that we put aside for to 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: put the other person first. What me time? How does 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: me time look for you now these days? 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: Well, I have my mother with me, so I don't 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: exactly have me time. Yes, that's a full time job. 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: She's eighty eight, in her eighty ninth year, and. 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: You're solely taking care of her. 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm her sole caretaker. She's going to go stay 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: with my brother for about ten days. Oh my gosh, 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: what are you going to do? I know, well, I 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: have a South Fork experience. I'm going to this Dallas 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: kind of convention and she I've taken her with me 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: to New York City. D c Tennessee, La. And I thought, well, 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: maybe it's my brother's turn. But I don't know what 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do for a week without her, because I'll 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: worry about her. 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: But I think that I've written a musical. You know, 27 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: it's interesting, isn't it. 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: I look back now and say, I wouldn't mind having 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: some career opportunities again. I do love to act. It 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: would be fun to book another role where I didn't have, 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: where I could actually put my heart and soul into 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: it again, like Northern Exposure. But also I've written a 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: musical about Bellevia Lockwood, who was the first woman to 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: actually run for president in eighteen eighty four on the ballot, 35 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: but she was the first woman admitted to the bar 36 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: of the United States Supreme Court. When they wouldn't allow her, 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: they kept saying no, so she took it to the 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: legislative branch and to the other branches of gum to 39 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: say you can't deny me. And then she ended up 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: taking one of the greatest cases and the most award 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: winning financial cases in history, which is for the Native 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: America is the Cherokee Nation versus the United States to 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: get their money for the trail of tears for the 44 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: land they had to give up. So she's a phenomenal 45 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 2: And you know, look, I started out as dancer and 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: a singer, but I really haven't done that in about 47 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: forty decades. So this is a bucket list challenge for myself. 48 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: I've written a book, I've written the lyrics and I 49 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: want to star in it. And I've had two readings 50 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: in New York where I actually had to sing in 51 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: front of people. 52 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: Are you not comfortable singing? Because I'm surely not comfortable singing. 53 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: Well no, I mean it's not comfortable for me. No, 54 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 2: but I do love it because I started in dance, 55 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: in musical comedy and musical theater. And it's a bucket 56 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: list So it's one of those things, Jenny. You know 57 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: what it's like as people like, oh, sure, they roll 58 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: their eyes. You know you're going to You're gonna direct 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: and write a musical? 60 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: Oh roll in my eyes. 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm like you, No, I know. 62 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: But you people do people do like sure, sure, But 63 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: it's just like that that dry that that motivates me more. 64 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll show you. Yeah, I'll get it done. My 65 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: tall while. 66 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: You you have a very clear vision of the things 67 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: that you want, get married, have a wedding, and get 68 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: this musical to happen, Like you know what they say. 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just more and more talk about this, 70 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: and it's more than manifestation. It's about like having your 71 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: what you want in your mind's eye and imagining what 72 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: your life will be like when you have what you want, 73 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: and if you can connect with that imagery, your body 74 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: and your world around you just takes you towards it. 75 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: The universe takes you towards Yeah, it's the energy this 76 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: I believe in that. 77 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: It's funny I worked with. 78 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: I have that post on my Someone at the Comic 79 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: Con in Tennessee brought a picture of me when I 80 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: was on Happy Days and I was like twenty one 81 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: years old. It's when I was dating Alec and I 82 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: read my my wist. 83 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: My waist was about this big, and I'm like, oh, 84 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: not fair. 85 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: You have to wring to a woman who's sixty two 86 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: but on Happy Days. Henry Winkler looked at me. It 87 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: was Gary Marshall, of course, you know. But Henry Luker said. 88 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: Do you know what you want? And I'm like, oh, yeah, 89 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: like sure, and. 90 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: You said, write it down, write it down, write down 91 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: what you want. And then I was in New York City, 92 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: Molly and I ever heard it again, write down what 93 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 2: you want to accomplish, But I always add healthily, happily 94 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: and safely after it. Right. That's because you don't want 95 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: to manifest something into your life that's at the expense 96 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: of something else or someone else. 97 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: So it's I think you. 98 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: Have to be very cle You are right, you have 99 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: to be very clear about how you put it out there. 100 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm writing that down healthily, happy, happily, and safely. That's 101 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: perfection because yeah, you just you know, the saying, be 102 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: careful what you wish for. But if if we add 103 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: that to the these these goals of ourselves, then I 104 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: think that that would cover all the the chances of 105 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: bad things happening. 106 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I put it in prayer because I just 107 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: wanted to happen the right way for the right reasons 108 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: and things that nature. 109 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: But it's a challenge trying to get a Broadway show going. 110 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, the money you have to raise and 111 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: people they don't. I don't know about you, but in 112 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: my early early career, the first job I ever booked 113 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: was with David Jacobs, who created Dallas. That was an 114 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: easy booking for me, though I didn't really value it 115 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: because I wanted to be a movie star. I wanted 116 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: to be Nastasia Kinski. I wanted to eat strawberries, you know, 117 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: and the movie tests but look, But after that it 118 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 2: became quite the challenge, and all because General Hospital was 119 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: good for me, but maybe not so great because I 120 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: was blonde and I walked around for a year. Not 121 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: that blonde has anything to do with it, but I 122 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: was hypnotized by David Gray if you probably never watched it, 123 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: and all I said. 124 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: Was I don't know, I don't know. I just don't know. 125 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: So it was sort of a role that didn't have 126 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: a lot of meat, and it took me a lot 127 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: of time, a lot of years to get. 128 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: Away from that. But all those people that looked at their. 129 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: Watches and casting sessions and rolled their eyes and didn't 130 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: believe in us, I mean, it's that world of ten 131 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: thousand no's. 132 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: So I'm very used to it. So when people look 133 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: at me and say, ye, I'm not going to be 134 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: able to accomplish that on Broadway, give. 135 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: Me some time, I think it's going to happen. I mean, 136 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: you're just like I said, you're just laser focused. I 137 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: think that that's the key. 138 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: Well, God give me the strength to sing it, that's 139 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: all I can say. 140 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, what an amazing opportunity though, that's gonna be so 141 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: going back to me time though writing this musical. What 142 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: other things just like on the daily do you incorporate 143 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: into your lifestyle that keep you grounded or like you know, 144 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: that's your me time that's replenishing for your soul. 145 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: Well, Bible. 146 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: First in the morning, I have a prayer group and 147 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: so we get on for thirty minutes and we don't 148 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: really cross talk. We just don't get on care and 149 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: we just pray over it with each other. And that's incredibly. 150 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: God. 151 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: On the days I miss it, I can tell I 152 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: created that based off a church. I did that with 153 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: a church in New York City, and I thought, oh, 154 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: I really like that, so I sort of created my own. 155 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: And then it goes back to you know, I have 156 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: a foundation constituting America, which is nonpartisan. 157 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: We don't get involved in politics. 158 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: We never taught politics because the Constitution was created before 159 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: the political parties. 160 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about this, that's so interesting. 161 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I created it in twenty ten, my daughter was 162 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: about twelve. She became the first National Youth Director for 163 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: Constituting in America. And I wrote eighty five essays on 164 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: the eighty five Federals papers Things that nature, and became 165 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: I became sort of academic in this field. But I 166 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: give over six I've given over six hundred speeches. And 167 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: it's great to go into the classrooms because what I 168 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: teach the kids is it's really remember it's we the people, 169 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: you know, and it's you vote that's important. But and 170 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: I ask them what they want to change in their neighborhood, 171 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: because I want to make it tactile for middle school 172 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: students or fifth grade students or freshmen. And they'll say, oh, 173 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: you know, I don't want it to pay twenty dollars 174 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: for the community pool pool key, you know what I mean. 175 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: Or too many dogs off leashes, we need too many drugs, 176 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: too much trash, We need more street lights, we need 177 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: people drive through. 178 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: Whatever they say. 179 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, okay, let's learn how to write 180 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,559 Speaker 2: a petition, and let's write you know, these these rights 181 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: of speech and things of that nature, speech, petitioning, freedom, assembly, press, 182 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: How important all that is. It's not just so we 183 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: can talk freely on social media. It's to utilize it 184 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: with our government, so the minorities can speak out, or 185 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: even someone in a majority, and so I'll take whatever 186 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: they and teach them how to write a petition. So 187 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: I'm very involved with that. I love to read, that's 188 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: me time. I love obviously to be out in nature. 189 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: I also I circle back to just the creativity. Whether 190 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: I wrote a book of poetry, I've written poet. 191 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: Gosh, you've done it all well. But it's focused on 192 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: creativity right right. 193 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: And I think that it doesn't matter if you're any 194 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: I have my mother draw and write, because it doesn't 195 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: matter if you're any good editor or not. 196 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: It's just the process of it is soothing. 197 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 2: I'm not an artist at all, but I still love 198 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: to do that type of thing. But poetry really helps 199 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: to kind of take maybe the ankst that I'm feeling, 200 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: or the sadness or the where I'm overwhelmed. Just to 201 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: put pen or pencil to paper. That's me time. And 202 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: to be with my pets and to goad on the ranch. 203 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: Oh those are all so great. 204 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: But during COVID, I wrote the music with for my musical. 205 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: During COVID. 206 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: I found a wonderful composer and she was in Florida 207 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: and we would just get on once or twice a 208 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 2: week and compose the music over Zoom. 209 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: Amazing Zoom is the best thing ever. I think, Well, yeah, 210 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: isn't isn't. 211 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: I mean we complying about COVID in the A lot 212 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: of negative things, But. 213 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 3: Isn't this amazing? This all came out of that. 214 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: This amazing. So many good things have come out of 215 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: it for a lot of people. Unfortunately a lot of 216 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: people the opposite. But what a time. But I love 217 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: that you used it to sort of like dive back 218 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: into your creative self. I want to talk just for 219 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: a second about the constitution constituting America that you founded. 220 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: How Like there's so much political screaming happening right now 221 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: every time you turn on the TV. It's really hard 222 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: to feel settled, safe grounded with all of that going on. 223 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: How do you recommend people handle what's happening? 224 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: You know, it just came to me, you're in with 225 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: the TV show just the facts man, Just the facts. 226 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: No, I don't remember a TV. 227 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: Show was that it was, you said, just the facts man, 228 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: just the facts. So many listening will know it was 229 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: a detective story. It was a detective story, okay. And 230 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: he was like, just the facts, ma'am. And you know, 231 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: I think it boils down to that. I created a 232 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: program through I create all the programs with my foundation 233 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: const TOU in America have a great CEO, Kathy Lesbie's 234 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: my dear best friend. But one of the I was 235 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: brushing my teeth one day and I was having a 236 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: conversation in my head with say, someone in Hollywood, right, 237 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: and I could hear how they would negate everything. I 238 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: was trying to say. I'm like, but no, we just 239 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: need to have a conversation about it. And so I 240 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: created this program, which is how to have a civil 241 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: civic conversation. And we go into the schools and find 242 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: a hot topic, whatever it might be, whether it's immigration, 243 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: gun control, climate change, whatever it might be, and we'll. 244 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: Say, okay, we're going to talk about this today. Who 245 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 3: believes in it and who does it? 246 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: And usually about twenty five students will say I believe 247 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 2: in global warming or you know, climate change, and. 248 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 3: Then two or three will say I don't know, you know. 249 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: And I'm always stounded with those three just to go 250 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: against the grain, just to be brave enough to say. 251 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I don't know, right. 252 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: So we talk to them about where do you get 253 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: your news, how do you form your opinions? And then 254 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: we give them a pro and con sheet which has 255 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 2: pro and con on whatever topic it may be, and 256 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 2: I say, now you take the opposite if you believe 257 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: in it, take the con whatever. 258 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: It may be. 259 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: Circle three things that you never knew, and let's talk 260 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: about it. And we're not trying to change our minds, 261 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: but it's just learning that there's a broad scope of 262 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: information out there, and let's try to listen to the 263 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: opposing points of views. And what starts to happen is 264 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: I think we get these fringe really radical on both sides. 265 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: And sometimes fringes are good because there's a balance. I 266 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: think there's always a swing in our government in our 267 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: history where we go back and forth. 268 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: But there are a lot of us that just. 269 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: Want to be in the middle and have a real 270 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: conversation with you each other and to base it on 271 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: sort of the common core of common sense. And I'll 272 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: harken back to our founding fathers. If they had not 273 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: been able to negotiate with each other, whether it's during 274 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 2: the Declaration of Independence of the Constitution, and of course 275 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: there were things that were not solved at all, like 276 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: slavery and women's right to vote and things that nature. 277 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: But if they couldn't have a conversation, then we wouldn't 278 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: have anything, We wouldn't be anywhere, we probably wouldn't have freedom. 279 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: It's like trying to listen to their opposing points of 280 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: view is absolutely pivotal, and it's so hard because we're 281 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: force fed all this controversy. Yea, but what we hear 282 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: on the news and someone said it something really interesting. 283 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: Once we used to watch local news, and local news 284 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: dealt with our communities and when you got into your community, 285 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: which is why I love federalism, because our founders believed 286 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: if you watched Northern exposure and we had all these 287 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: town halls where the Alaskan people would come and have 288 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: a town hall, and they'd all stand up and do it, 289 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 2: because we might want something very different here than they 290 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: want in New York or Miami or Wyoming and wherever 291 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 2: it may be. And a republic can only really survive 292 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: in such a broad country if community can still have 293 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: their own sense of power. So coming together as a community. 294 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: It's nothing all about northern exposure. Everybody was out in 295 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: the town, they were out in the street, They're at 296 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: Hollings Bar, they were talking with one another. We can't 297 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: lose that sense of community in our own neighborhoods. I 298 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: think that that's incredibly, incredibly important, and our founding documents 299 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: give us ability with mayors, you know, PTA councils for education, 300 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: local local city government, state government, then national government. So 301 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: it's remembering that that there are other levels of government too. 302 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: I think everybody thinks when they vote for the president, 303 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: that's it, but like, wait, the president's never supposed to 304 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: have that much power. Your legislator and your neighborhood is 305 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: the person that can really help you. That's why the 306 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: legislative branch is first in the constitution. So it's really 307 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: about putting the noise out and finding common ground. Maybe 308 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,479 Speaker 2: not but at least being able to have a discussion. 309 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, a civil discussion. I think that, you know, the 310 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: key of what you just said is encouraging people to listen, 311 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: to hear the other person's perspective is so important. That's 312 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: just with politics or government, but with everything. Well, you're 313 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: just honestly of wealth of knowledge. You're delightful to talk to. 314 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I've learned just by talking to you, 315 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: and I've enjoyed our conversation so much. But before I 316 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: let you go, Janine Heurner, what was your last I 317 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: choose me moment. 318 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: To put the phone down for a little while, you know. 319 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: To say, I'm my mother's with me now, and it 320 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: gets very complicated, and I thought, we're just going to 321 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: put the phone away for a while to learn that, 322 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: you know, texting isn't always a great thing. Is a 323 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: conversation are still better and face is still better. And 324 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: so to kind of say, I am going to turn 325 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: this phone on when I know I'm at a place 326 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: where i can handle what I'm going to see, and 327 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: I'm at a place where i can handle what I'm 328 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: going to hear. 329 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and then I can cope 330 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: with it. 331 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: So I think a lot of times we've become overwhelmed 332 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: because we're just barraged with so many things at once. 333 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: And so it's the power to be able to say 334 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that aside, I'm going to wait for 335 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. That's a huge I choose me moment. 336 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: I love it it's hard to do. Yeah, thank you 337 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: so much for me. 338 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 3: Thank you, You're terrific. 339 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: Thanks for this fabulous podcast you have and everything that 340 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: you've You're shining in such light on all of us, 341 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: and God bless you. You're doing a beautiful, wonderful job 342 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: and with every aspect of your life, no matter what 343 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: you choose. 344 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: Thank you.