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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot com. John Schmulk, Lance meado

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Speaker 1: with you. The phone number is two one nine four

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Speaker 1: five one three. Hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. It's all

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Speaker 1: presented by cores Light. Download the Coors Light Rewards app Um, Lance,

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Speaker 1: good to see I've been off for a few days.

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Speaker 1: Good to be back in the saddle. I know you

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Speaker 1: and pulling a chance to talk about the Mike Remers

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Speaker 1: signing yesterday. Um, I'm gonna throw my two cents in

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Speaker 1: now very quickly before we get to the other news

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Speaker 1: round in the NFL. And but we just got a doozy,

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Speaker 1: so uh we we will talk about that and take

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Speaker 1: your calls at two oh one nine four five one three. Look.

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Speaker 1: Remors is a solid player. He's not gonna be a

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Speaker 1: pro bowler. I think he'll fit next nicely next to

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Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler. He's certainly an upgrade I think over Chad Wheeler.

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Speaker 1: If Ramers does in fact win that battle at right tackle.

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Speaker 1: Talking to him, you can see my interview on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot com. While he played some guard last year, played

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Speaker 1: left tackle a few years ago. He does consider right

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Speaker 1: tackle his natural position, and I think it's a real

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Speaker 1: good fit given the structure of the rest of the

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Yeah, I agree with you. I think versatility

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Speaker 1: is key that comes to mind John first, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: he could play four of the five positions. That's not

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Speaker 1: to say that the Giants are going to experiment with

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Speaker 1: him there. I think he's penciled in it right tackle

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Speaker 1: who compete with the Chad Wheelers of the world, the

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Speaker 1: George Jasapho Ajas of the world. But in a pinch,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt because you can't go into a season

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Speaker 1: thinking all five guys are gonna last sixteen games. Versatile

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Speaker 1: veteran depth is really one of the important things that

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Speaker 1: you always appealed to me when you have those check marks.

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Speaker 1: Mike Remers gets multiple check marks in that department. So obviously,

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Speaker 1: I know Paul did good film work on Remembers. He

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Speaker 1: watched a lot of his snaps. I haven't, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Paul did a lot of film work. I

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Speaker 1: haven't done mine yet, but I want to throw some

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Speaker 1: stats out there from Pro Football Focus on on some

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Speaker 1: of their offensive line ranking. So the guys over there

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Speaker 1: were condent to send me some of these numbers just

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Speaker 1: f y i UM as a right tackle between two

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Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen and two thousand and seventeen. That's where

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Speaker 1: you play of his snaps before two thousand and eighteen

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Speaker 1: when he was put a guard. I'm not gonna give

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Speaker 1: you his grade, but he was ranked sixteenth among right

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Speaker 1: really matter, he was ranking six, so it's literally right

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Speaker 1: in the middle. That's literally average. UM. He was nineteenth

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Speaker 1: and pass block grade eleventh and run block grade, and

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Speaker 1: that's among right tackles with the least fifteen hundred regular

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Speaker 1: season in postseason snaps, among the right tackles that played

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Speaker 1: a lot, he was literally like right in the middle

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Speaker 1: of of the field, which is exactly what we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: a solid player that's going to help you. UM as

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Speaker 1: a pass blocker. During those seasons at right tackle, he

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Speaker 1: allowed seventy three total pressures, which was twelfth the one

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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna waste your time with those. But look,

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Speaker 1: him in one on one for a full game. No,

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Speaker 1: but very few players do that. And people point to

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Speaker 1: He's going to help. And I think I look at

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Speaker 1: this offensive line Lance and for the first time since

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Speaker 1: The closest thing is center. But we'll see how Polly

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Speaker 1: And to me, you know, the right side of the

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Speaker 1: There's been probably the most turnover john on the right

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Speaker 1: but just real quickly getting back to your point, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me people need to provide some perspective for themselves. What

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Speaker 1: did you expect to get on the free agent market? Okay,

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Speaker 1: an elite offensive lineman is not on the market. You

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Speaker 1: know why because teams don't let go of those players.

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Speaker 1: now running from show to show. You believe this guy

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Speaker 1: unbelievable on a Wednesday at Yeah, that was cranky listen,

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Speaker 1: Dave makes up an entire team of individuals. Now unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: and talk about a little bit. So Adam Schefter reported

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Speaker 1: And just keep this in mind, folks, Mike mccagnen just

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Speaker 1: the last four seasons and especially the past few months. However,

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Speaker 1: in the best long term interests of the New York Jets.

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Speaker 1: I will start a search for our new GM immediately.

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Speaker 1: In the interim coach Gates will be the acting general manager.

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Speaker 1: I would like to thank Mike for his time and

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Speaker 1: as the head coach, and he has done this before.

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Speaker 1: Adam schefter throughout the report that he and Joe Douglas,

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Speaker 1: last week at a press conference, Adam Gaze was asked

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Speaker 1: lead us off. Hi, Thomas, Hey guys, we're great. Thomas,

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Speaker 1: But if you expect like they're bringing in Smith and

429
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Speaker 1: he's now gonna come in on third and goal, fourth

430
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 1: and goal, and they're going to say quon Barkley off

431
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 1: the field. No, I completely disagree with that sentiment. But

432
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 1: I think you want somebody that has enough versatility that

433
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,360
Speaker 1: God forbid Barkley has to miss a series or two

434
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 1: miss a game. You have Well, I think the question

435
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: is too and I think it's an interesting conversation to have,

436
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 1: is what percentage of the snaps is a good percentage

437
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 1: for Barkley? You know, does it? You know running backs

438
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 1: have a short shelf life, right, How much of a

439
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 1: difference does it make if Barkley has three twenty five

440
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 1: carries versus three hundred carries over the course of the year,

441
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 1: the two carries a game mean that much? Does does

442
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 1: of the snaps versus seventy percent of the snaps? Does

443
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 1: that make his career last nine years instead of seven? So?

444
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 1: I don't know. If it doesn't have an impact, then

445
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 1: just give the ball as much as you can. So,

446
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a lot of analytics on

447
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 1: this on on how many carries. I'm sure people can

448
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,360
Speaker 1: do studies, you know, equal workload and how much workload

449
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of running back take is it dependent on the player.

450
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different ways to do it. So

451
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: I think obviously the team is better with with with

452
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: Barkley on the field. But what's the cut off point

453
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: where a if he's getting less snaps, is his performance better?

454
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 1: If he's getting less snaps, has become better for longer?

455
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 1: Does his career last longer or is there not an impact?

456
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: Does Barkley get better than more carries he gets? So

457
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting line the Giants are going

458
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: to have to figure out as to when Barkley comes

459
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: on and off the field over the course of the year. Well,

460
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: and snaps is an interesting term as opposed to carries.

461
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: I threw out the percentage of carries, but remember Barkley's

462
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: involved in the passing game, so I mean that impacts

463
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 1: his workload. You can't just look at him no matter

464
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 1: what analytics you use to analyze Barkley's performance, you have

465
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: to look at what he does as a runner and

466
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Speaker 1: what he does as a receiver. Because he's on the

467
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 1: field more often than not in both capacities. Yeah, so

468
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: I think that'll be interesting in terms of how they

469
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: use the backup running backs when they use them. Last year,

470
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: they seem to want to give Gauman a series at

471
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 1: a time and kind of give Barkley a longer blow.

472
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Speaker 1: And I think I understand that because he gives Barkley

473
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Speaker 1: a chance to recover a little bit if he has

474
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: a series where he doesn't have to go out there.

475
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: But then again, every time last year and Barley wasn't

476
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: on the field, we got phone calls, what are you doing?

477
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: I was going to bring up you can't down every

478
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: wanted to play a percent of the snaps. That's not

479
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: how it works. Well, you know the game that I'm

480
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna bring up, it's the Philly game. If you remember,

481
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: that was the game where a lot of fans and

482
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: a lot of cold as we heard from her irritated

483
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: because that drive it was an early fourth quarter drive way.

484
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: I think they got the ball like on their own,

485
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: like two or three yard line right when they buried

486
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: on a punt pretty deep and Goldman actually, if you remember,

487
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: and I'm going off memory, so if I'm not exactly accurate,

488
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 1: don't necessarily tweeting me and tell me whatever it is.

489
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: But idiot was productive if you remember, and then they

490
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: had some false starts to had some offensive line issues.

491
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: I think I took a sack. They got into third

492
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: and longs, and that to me was what forced the

493
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: Punt's not necessarily Goldman being ineffective. He actually was productive.

494
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at that game, he was.

495
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: So it's fun the Rodsmith will be in the mixed

496
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: there and will see exactly where he competes. And I

497
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: think the Elijah Penny factor is interesting because I had

498
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: an honest really thought about it, kind of just passed

499
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Speaker 1: my head as we were No. I thought that was

500
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Speaker 1: a great point you brought up, because I admit I

501
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: didn't think about that either. To one four or five

502
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: one three dance Salmo. It's funny. Let's go to Doug

503
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: in Rochester. He's up next day, Doug, Hey, what's going on?

504
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 1: We're good, Doug. What's up yesterday? Last hues on with

505
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: Paul and I want to talk about two says Fitch.

506
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: I think Dave Geman is like a mad side you guys,

507
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: thanking the giants. He's putting them back together. So this

508
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: is a good way, you know. He said, A lot

509
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: of people think some bad decisions, but I don't think. Well, Doug,

510
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you all I know is that the apartment

511
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: putting them back together. Yeah, I know is that the

512
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: roster looks a lot different today than it did the

513
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: day gentleman walked in the building. So there certainly has

514
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: been a uh new rebuilding of the roster. I'll use

515
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: the word a transformation of the roster. We'll see whether

516
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: or not it's good based on the win loss record

517
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, you guys, just chest on what I'm

518
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the cherries for Berkley. Um at last,

519
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: you're on with yesterday party. Uh Black, He's gonna get

520
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: ninety over ninety receptions begin this year. But if you

521
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: look at you, if you look at the addition to

522
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: the office of Line and his officers, Line pulls together

523
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: a Mesh and parkerly run start start running the football

524
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: zur at the beginning of the season, cases must yards.

525
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: I think his carrys to go up and his receptions

526
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: go down. It depends how if he starts running the football.

527
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't think Pat Sherman's gonna stop rubbing. She's gonna

528
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: hand it off to him more you know for his receptions,

529
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,239
Speaker 1: it's gonna go out. You know so well. You know,

530
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: to me, a good comparison is Christian McCaffrey and how

531
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: the Panthers have utilized him. And if you look at

532
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: McCaffrey's receptions numbers, Doug, you know they haven't really phased

533
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: him out of the receiving game, even though perhaps you

534
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: know they're looking to develop him into more of a

535
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: runner as the years go along. I actually would side

536
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: with Paul. I think it's very feasible that Sa Kwan

537
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: Barkley is the leading reception guy for the Giants this season.

538
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: I think Golden Tate is actually gonna pass Sterling Shepherd

539
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: for second. I mean, take's a guy that can easily

540
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: get ninety. I don't know if he's gonna get there,

541
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: but I can see tight second and Shepherd and Ingram

542
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: battling for third place. And I can see it going

543
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: anyway around sixties to Shepherd. They're gonna be around each other.

544
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: But I think Barkley's gonna go off for ninety and

545
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: every Ingram is gonna go up from well. But when

546
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: when you say Doug a little bit, Doug, when you

547
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: say Barkley is gonna go down though, What what are

548
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: we talking about in your mind? No, I'm just curious.

549
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Do you see the eighties or do you think he's

550
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: gonna dip to like seventy five? What are you thinking? Yeah,

551
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking if he runs the football started down on

552
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: the season with the new with the good at his

553
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: the officers line is good, and they're opening a pose

554
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 1: and he's game the yards, I don't see Pat Sherman

555
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: beeting away from that. Yeah, I think he's gonna hand

556
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: it off to him more and then there for the

557
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: reception or go down if they by running eight yards

558
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: on the first down and stuff right right throwing the football,

559
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Well, you want to mix things up.

560
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: You an argument you're getting football away from there, and

561
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: I think that's a valid point, and I would agree

562
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: with you what I brought up on yesterday show the

563
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: day before. I said, you know, everybody's analyzing the approvement

564
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: of the offensive line. I said, with a guy like

565
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: sa Kwan Barkley his talent, if you allow him to

566
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: get to the second layer of the defense, you have

567
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: faith that he could win his individual battles. So you

568
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: would expect, yes, his running production to go up. But

569
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't look at it Doug so much that well,

570
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: if he's getting eight yards, then they're just going to

571
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: continue to run it. I also look at they also

572
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: want to showcase him in a different role this year

573
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: and checking out back, he just has that he kept

574
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: the safe he's in front of him, and I can

575
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: just you know, I think you run a game better. Well,

576
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: I think that's the ultimate goal and appreciate the all right,

577
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: I did a little quick math here for your lands. Um,

578
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: I'll think Barkley's numbers in the passing we're gonna go

579
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: down to. And here's why. We all agree that after

580
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: the bye week last year, the John's offense changed a lot, right,

581
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: and they're probably gonna try to carry those changes over

582
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: into this year in terms of how they played well.

583
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: Barkley finished year in ninety one catches and a hundred

584
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Speaker 1: on a hundred and twenty one targets. Right, Fifty eight

585
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: of his ninety one catches came in the first eight weeks,

586
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: only thirty three in the final eight. Seventy one of

587
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: his a hundred and twenty targets came in the first

588
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: nine weeks. Eight weeks sartin sorry and fifty came in

589
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: the final eight weeks, so his use as a receiver

590
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: dipped dramatically after the bye week. In the first half

591
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: of the year, Lanes in Week two against Dallas he

592
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: had fourteen catches on sixteen targets. In Week six against

593
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: Philly he had nine on twelve targets, seven against Atlanta

594
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: nine on ten targets, and then we eight against Washington

595
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: line catches on ten targets. In the second half of

596
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: the year, he only had eight or more targets three times,

597
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: and he only had more than five catches once. So

598
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: I think Barkley normalizes between seventy and eighty this year. Now,

599
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: that still might end up leading the team and catches

600
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: in might, but I think his numbers in terms of

601
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: raw receptions go down because the Giants raw number of

602
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: passes are going to go down. I think They're gonna

603
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: run the ball more frequently, which means more carrious for

604
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: Barkley and maybe more carries for a Wayne Goldman two.

605
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: And I think when you use play action a lot,

606
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: which the Giants did a lot more in the second

607
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: after that you're not throwing to the running back off

608
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: play action in general, you're throwing to receivers and your

609
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: tight ends. And I having to agree with Doug, I

610
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: think the guy whose numbers go up the most this

611
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: year is good. It's gonna be evident Gram well, especially

612
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy too, you would figure. I mean

613
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: that's another big fact that of course is the caveat no.

614
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair assenisment. I mean, I'm looking

615
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: at Barkley's game log too. I mean, he did have

616
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: the game against the how Boys where he had fourteen

617
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: receptions on sixteen targets. That was, though not the norm,

618
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: he did have. Remember that stuff. That was early in

619
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Speaker 1: the season. I'm sorry, I'm looking at the wrong it's

620
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: reverse first. So he had the the tank key of

621
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: the fourteen catch game in three nine catch games in

622
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: the first half of the year, well, he was on

623
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: pace to break Odell's record, and record potentially he had

624
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: catches half way through the year. I remember doing the calculations.

625
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: So you look at the second half Tennessee game, he

626
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: had ten targets, only caught four. Remember that game, though,

627
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: was a disaster because of the weather, so they couldn't

628
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: throw it down the field, so they had to dump

629
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: it down game situation certainly impacts that. Yeah, the more

630
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: and more you look at it, I don't think it's

631
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: crazy to think that his numbers perhaps would go down.

632
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: I would still bank on him leading the team in receptions.

633
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: Whether his numbers dip a little. I'm still banking on

634
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: him being the leader because I still think they look

635
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: at him as an asset. When they could get him

636
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: out in open space, he could do a lot of damage,

637
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 1: especially with o'dellnot in the I agree. I don't think

638
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram is gonna be a reception volume guy. I

639
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: think he's going to be more of a play guy

640
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: everything m I think they like us them down the

641
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: field seems stuff like that to him, have him make

642
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Speaker 1: some big plays. I think either Barkley, Shepherd, or Tate

643
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: will end up getting the most individual receptions on the team.

644
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Speaker 1: As an individual, I think I could see it going

645
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: any of three ways. To be honest with you, I'm

646
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: gonna see how they use Shepherd and Tate in the

647
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: passing game. That'll be curious, I think. But if Barkley

648
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Speaker 1: leads the team with seventy six to seventy eight receptions

649
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: and you know, take comes in at seventy two. When

650
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Shepherd comes in at sixty eight and Everon and Evan

651
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Ingram comes in it at sixty one. Would that surprise me?

652
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Would swap those in Tatus seventy eight and

653
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Barkley is seventy two, Shepherd is seventy five, Ingram is

654
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: sixty five, That wouldn't surprise me either. Interchangeable personnel balance

655
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: balance is good look at just as it means in comparison.

656
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: Because I brought up Christian McCaffrey two thousand seventeen rookie here,

657
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: he had eighty catches, went up to one oh seven

658
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. Now, granted it's a different team, different offense,

659
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: but that was the guy that came to mind, and

660
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean they did not shy away from utilizing him.

661
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: He went from a hundred thirteen targets to hundred four targets.

662
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: So the targets wasn't dramatic shift, but I mean twenty

663
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: seven more receptions in year two. You remember, though two

664
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: Cam Newton was doing with the shoulder and could your

665
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: body get the ball down the field, And there wasn't

666
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: necessarily a huge playmaker there, offensive line issues, all things

667
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: that provide proper context, may think the better offensive line

668
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: makes it less likely they throw the ball to Barkley

669
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 1: because they don't have to check down. No, and I

670
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: get that. I mean, you do want to take your

671
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: chances down the field, John, if you have better pass protection.

672
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if Barkley can get a

673
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: four yard pass, you know he's capable of turning into

674
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: a fifteen yard game. I don't look at that as

675
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: bad offense. Just look at it is getting one of

676
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: your best playmakers out of open space, correct, which is

677
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: why I still think he's gonna be very, very high.

678
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm just not sure he's gonna hit ninety. Alright, we

679
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: got about eight minutes here before we get the pall, Schwartz.

680
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Let's get your three calls in before we get there.

681
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: Marco and can to get is up next? Hey, Marko,

682
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: it's all presented by Corps Light. Hey, guys, how are you?

683
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: We're good? Marco good? Good? I I got a question

684
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: about the undrafted free agents. Uh, And I'll ask him

685
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: then I'll get off. But hey, before I get to that,

686
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 1: I thought it was fitting. I don't know if I've

687
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: shared this with you guys before. I've been calling a

688
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: bunch of years. But in addition to being a diehard

689
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Giants fan, I'm also uh real life diehard New Orleans

690
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: Pelicans fans. Swear to god. I grew up, grew up

691
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: with Charlotte Hornets fan in the eighties, and then when

692
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: they moved to Oh so you moved with them? Okay?

693
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: I stayed. I stayed with them. So Marcot's all we

694
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: gotta do. We gotta get on the phone and work

695
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: out on Anthony Davis trade. Okay, I John, I was

696
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: following you all night last night. I read everything. I'm

697
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: aware of your your feelings on it, and I don't

698
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: want to take too much time off the Giants podcast,

699
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: but I think really good scenario for for both teams,

700
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: and I I'm thinking now the Knicks of leap frog

701
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: the Celtics as the best option for the Pelicans of trade.

702
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: But I'm on board with that. Get you up, all right?

703
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: What do you got the Giants? Giants? I want to

704
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: know who you guys think will be when the season

705
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: is over. The most impactful undrafted free agent on the

706
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: roster this year? Does that have to be one of

707
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: the Thank you Marco? Does that to be an undrafted

708
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: free agent? From this season, Marco could be an undrafted

709
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: f agent for past seasons. Like basically, I'm asking you

710
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: someone who you think will make the roster impacting team, right, sorry,

711
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: thank you, all right, thank you, Marko. Appreciate the call.

712
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: You got a list for me. I don't want to

713
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: miss anybody. Well, I mean, I'm looking through the roster.

714
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: They don't necessarily organize it on giants dot Com. Maybe

715
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: something the production team that's in this room should work

716
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: on as we move alog here. Well, I think it'd

717
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: just be convenient for the program. But that's a whole

718
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: other subject once again. So I'm perusing through the names

719
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: that were signed. I think you know one guy to

720
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: me that's intriguing, But we're getting way ahead of ourselves.

721
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: I've got to see how he's utilized in camp. Is

722
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: Eric Dungee Because of his athlete sis Um Syracuse quarterback,

723
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: They're supposedly going to try to line him up a

724
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: little bit at tight end. Let me see it. So

725
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm not putting him at the top of the list

726
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be a lock, but it's appealing because

727
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: of perhaps the more you could do, the more likely

728
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: you're going to find an opportunity to get on the rosters.

729
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: So that's one name that I think is worthy of

730
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: throwing out there. I like the linebacker from Texas El

731
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Paso um Tafa. Yeah, I think he's a guy that could,

732
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, if you can figure out a way to

733
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: to outplay Ryan Connolly, who I think will be in

734
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: the mix there. Maybe he can you know, find some

735
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: time in linebacker and certainly be an impact player on

736
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: special teams. That would be my pick. Yeah, those to me,

737
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: I think make the most sense. That there's a few

738
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman they brought in. You know, Paul Adams is

739
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: a guy that comes to mind. We actually talked about

740
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: him briefly yesterday. Cohler was asking about him out of

741
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: Missouri six five, three seventeen. But you look at some

742
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: of the veterans they brought in. I still think they're

743
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna keep eight offensive lineman because of how some of

744
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: the starter it can be moved around. I don't think

745
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: there's a necessity to keep nine. I think you put

746
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: the additional guys on the practice squad. So I just

747
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: don't know the likelihood of an undrafted offensive lineman making

748
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: this team. I agree, I think it'd be tough and

749
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 1: you know, who knows, maybe even one of the draft

750
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: picks that offensive line might end up being a practice

751
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: one guy and not on the roster. To Mike and Oakland, California. Mike,

752
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: what's going on? Pal? Hey, guys, appreciate being on again.

753
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling it. Yeah, I really called, really called

754
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: to talk about the safeties, but just because you were

755
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: talking about Kwan and I just had to throw out there.

756
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, you both kind of kind of touched on

757
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: it with um with with a consistent offensive line, barring injury,

758
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: that is better than anything we've had and I don't know,

759
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: a good five years or so. Like quality rather than

760
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: quantity is the thing with Barkley because so many of

761
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: those catches earlier in the year were just like desperate

762
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: dump off. Correct, they can get him out in an

763
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: actual pass route. I mean, the guy could just destroy

764
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: the league. So yeah, or or or or screen pass

765
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: on a second and long, You're right, not o crap

766
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: Eli is gonna get killed dump the ball off to

767
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: sea Que with the linebacker right in his face. Because

768
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: if you look at some of those catches or in

769
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: in the year, I mean, the yards per catches not great.

770
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: He had fourteen catches for just eighty yards in one game. UM,

771
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: nine catches for fifty yards. That's five yards to catch.

772
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: That's not what you're looking for second half of the year.

773
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: Listen to this against Dallas, four catches thirty yards, four

774
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: catches twenty five yards. Against Tennessee. Uh, four catches twenty

775
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: seven You know these aren't big gainers. These are little dumpers.

776
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: You want to try to get him in space to

777
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: make big plays. You're right, I'm with you, Yeah, this

778
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: is this offense is gonna look radically different with a

779
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: competent offensive line and with some continuity. And I mean

780
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: last year it was just man, it was rough for

781
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: most of the year. So and it's been that way.

782
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: You know, I won't even get started. But you know,

783
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: my my frustration with UM wasting years at Eli's career.

784
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm understandable about year UM, but I want

785
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: to talk for a second about the safety because I

786
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: don't really hear people talking about that much. But do

787
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: you want to talk about an opportunity for a major

788
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: difference on defense. I'm excited about all the changes and

789
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: defensive back depth for sure, but my my observation last

790
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: years we had probably the worst safety tandem in the league.

791
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: And you know, even though I'm a big Landing Collins fan, um,

792
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: I didn't think Landing played particularly well last year. And

793
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: one of the things about it was mixed Mith tackles.

794
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: I kept seeing him trying to blow the guy up

795
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: instead of good form tackling and wrap up. I think

796
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: he I don't have the stats with my guests, would

797
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: be he missed more tackles last year than any other

798
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: year in his career. And Curtis Riley was just like

799
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: a gaping hole in the back end. I mean, I've

800
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: never seen so many mis tackles, bad angles like I mean,

801
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: like if they got past our first. You know, I'm

802
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: the line of defenders. Everybody was just gone. Man. And

803
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: like Antoine Buffet, he's quality. He can still play. And

804
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about Jabrille Peppers and the speed and

805
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: the ability to cover. So I'm expecting the biggest defense

806
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: changed to be competent safety group. I appreciate the fat

807
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: and thanks so much for all waying in in terms

808
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: of the safety position, I agree. I mean there's a

809
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: lot of changes. Sharan Chandlers another guy I would considering

810
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: that conversation as well. All right, Anthony and Charleston, Sorry,

811
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be able to get to you. We

812
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: gotta wrap up and get to Paul Schwartz here. Um,

813
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: thank you so much for giving us call. Next show, Anthony,

814
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: I'll make sure we get you on right away. I

815
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: apologize for not getting to you, but we are joined

816
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: by our guest, and now we're joined by Paul Schwartz.

817
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: In the New York Post, he covers the New York

818
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: Football Giants. Paul, you've got John Schmelk and Lance Meadow

819
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: here at East Rutherford, New Jersey. Good morning, how are you?

820
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: Good morning guys? Um know Zion Williams and at um

821
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: at tight end. Huh. Well, we can talk about the

822
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: draft though, so I think we should start there and

823
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: with the Nick's picking third, Paul, I'm sorry I had

824
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: the wrong sport again. So with the let's go with

825
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: the Giants here, because we haven't talked to you since

826
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: the draft. Um, give me your overall take, Paul, and

827
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: your reaction to what the Giants did on draft night? Well, um,

828
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: how long we got overall take for ten picks? Right?

829
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: It's you know, you know, it's funny. Whenever I sit

830
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: down and trying to analyze, you know, how the draft,

831
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: how the how the Giants did in the draft, and

832
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: I go on and on and on and on. Man,

833
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: I'm only halfway done. Um well, I think, look, it's

834
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: a draft that dominated the talk, is dominated by the

835
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: first pick, and he's the only player who's probably a

836
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: short of not playing uh right away. So it's a

837
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: very strange situation. It just is. It's not a bad situation,

838
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: it's just a strange one. And you have to acknowledge that.

839
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: I'm sure the Giants have to acknowledge that that when

840
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: you draft a quarterback with the six pick in the draft,

841
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: he is the focal point of that whole draft class.

842
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: And yet, like I said, he's gonna sit and learn

843
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: right now behind Eli. So let's let's actually put him

844
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: aside for a second. I mean, I think they got one, two, three, four.

845
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: I think they got four players who are all going

846
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: to contribute on defense as rookies. And and I didn't

847
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: mean I don't think they're gonna start necessarily all for them.

848
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: But that's what the Giants had to do, right, That's

849
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: what Dave Gentleman said they had to do, and Hat

850
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: Sherman said they had to do is improved this defense.

851
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: They've done it somewhat in free agency with guys like

852
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, Antoine buffet Um. But you know, I don't

853
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: think there's any doubt dex to Lawrence is going to

854
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: start uh as one of the in one of the

855
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: defensive line spots. Jandre Baker, I think we'll start at cornerback,

856
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: and he's a very interesting player. I think he's kind

857
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: of like the anti Old Regime pick. He is a

858
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: guy who doesn't light up the heightweight, speed kind of thing.

859
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: He's just a very very good player, and I think

860
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: that's very important. So I think the same with Julian Love,

861
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: the guy in one of the fourth round, the fourth

862
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: round pick from Notre Dame. He's not a guy who's

863
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: going to wow you with measurables. He's just a very

864
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: good player. He wows you with his tape um. And

865
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: I think possibly the key to this draft could be

866
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: x men um O'Shane At in the third round from

867
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Old Dominion. I think he's one of those make up

868
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: break guys that this franchise has not hit on in

869
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: years past, mid round pass rusher. So if he can

870
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: develop into a pass usher, I think this this draft

871
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: class has a chance to fall in line to be

872
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: quite good. Well, it's interesting you brought up some of

873
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: the corners, Paul, and I think that's one of the

874
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: most interesting positions this off season because there's been so

875
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: much turnover there and with the exception of General's Jenkins,

876
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: Grant Haley and Tony Lippitt who played about two percentage

877
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: of the defensive snaps, and everybody else wasn't really on

878
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: the team or at least logging defensive snaps last season.

879
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: In the draft, you can make the argument, Paul, I

880
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: mean they may have found at least two starters in

881
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: what DeAndre Baker brings to the table on the outside

882
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: and Julian Love if he can win out on the

883
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: nickel spot. Yeah, and look, that's not not always a

884
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: great position to be in to have to, you know,

885
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: draft cornerbacks to start right away. But you know, cornerback

886
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: is a position. It's very instinctual. You know, you're on

887
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: an island often and you can kind of get plug

888
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: and play at cornerback. You learn some of the techniques

889
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: that the Giants want to use, You learn the terminology

890
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: in a way, you go you know, you don't have

891
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: to be the mastermind of the defense. You just have

892
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: to go do your assignment. Yeah, I look, if it's

893
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not. It's not the optimal situa ation.

894
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: But if you believe in these young guys, you know,

895
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: the one thing is they both have played, you know,

896
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker and Julian Love have played a lot. They

897
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: played a lot of football for high level programs, you know,

898
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: Georgia and Notre Dame. UM, so you know, there's no

899
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: injury issue, there's no character issue, there's no they only

900
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: played one year issue. Uh, they're ready, you know. And

901
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: and and you know what, the giants are gonna have

902
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: to sink or swim with some of these guys. You're

903
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: putting some young guys who are talented, who you think

904
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: is smart on the field, and you have to deal

905
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: with their mistakes. I'd rather I'd rather do that with

906
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: with guys who think are talented and hungry and young,

907
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: as opposed to guys who kind of back end NFL

908
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: players who you just signed because stop gap reasons. You know,

909
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go down, go down in the blaze

910
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: of youth and and and uh you know, um, you

911
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: know things like that. No question about a Paul, And

912
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: we'll hit on Daniel Jones at the end of the interview,

913
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: but let's kind of keep on the roster thing because

914
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a good place to go with O

915
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: t A starting next week. And I think the big

916
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: question about this team is still the defense. I think

917
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: you feel better about the secondary and you don't even

918
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: know about rookie corners. It takes him a while to

919
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: figure things out. And you mentioned the X man. But

920
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: bottom line here, Paul, where do you see pass rush

921
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: coming from? And how do you think James Betcher manages

922
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: that rotation at the edge position with Cree, Martin, Carter, Zimenez,

923
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: Golden and everyone else they have outside. Well, look, pass

924
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: rush is not gonna be James Betcher just sitting back

925
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: and saying, you know, you go get him Mosy, you

926
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: go get him straight here, you go get him Tuck.

927
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's gonna have to be a a

928
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: a by committee, so to speak. And look, you have

929
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: to develop players. Lorenzo Carter had what five and a

930
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: half sacks last four sacks last year as a rookie.

931
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: He's got to develop. He's a he's a he's a

932
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: he's a high draft pick from Georgia who looks pretty

933
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: good last year at times. So he's a big, strong,

934
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: we know, he's athletic, lean, Uh seems smart. You know,

935
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: he's a guy who's got to developed. Why can't he

936
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: be close to a double digit sacker? And Marcus Golden

937
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: is a guy who in two thousand and six teen

938
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: had twelve and a half sacks. So if he can

939
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: reclaim that production under James Betcher, who he worked with

940
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: in Arizona. You know, he had a tough knee injury

941
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. He you know, so, so

942
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: these are the things that have to work for them. Uh,

943
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: condext the Lawrence get some push in the middle, Yeah

944
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: he can get some push. Can b J. Hill get

945
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: some push in the middle. Yes, he showed he can

946
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: get some. So it's gonna be a committee thing. And look,

947
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: the bars not set that high. They had thirty last year.

948
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm not asking him to get sixty. I'm asking him

949
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: to get forty two or something like that, or even

950
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: thirty eight and just be a team that can pressure

951
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback more. They're not going to be uh you know, uh,

952
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: the incredible pass rushes but they have to do it

953
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: by committee. And and look, teams developed players, and they

954
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: have to develop the X man as a rookie, and

955
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: they have to develop uh Carter as a second year player.

956
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: That's all there is to it. Yeah, I think Betcher

957
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: Paul is going to have to to scheme into some

958
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: sacks tune. He's gonna have to be more aggressive, something

959
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he could do last year because of

960
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: the issues they had in the secondary. So if these

961
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: young corners can in fact cover the way the Giants

962
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: think they can, it might allow Betcher to bring more

963
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: pressure more often because he's not quite as going earned

964
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: about getting burnt outside. Well. Look, I agree that I

965
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: don't think we saw James Betcher's defense last year. I

966
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: just don't think we saw it. I don't think we

967
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: saw James Betcher's personality on defense last year. We shaw

968
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: little snippets of it, and you know, people would ask me,

969
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, after one year, what do you think of

970
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: James Beecher as a coordinator. I would say, I don't know.

971
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I saw it last year.

972
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: I think he was he was coordinating with one on

973
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: behind his back. So um, I agree. They have to.

974
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: You know, you can't just send pressure if if there's

975
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: no support on the back end. So this all has

976
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: to work together unless you have supreme talent, which he

977
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: does not upfront right now. So um, I agree, I agree.

978
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: I think this is this is a work in progress,

979
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: and that that James Betcher needs to be able to

980
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: at least go out and say, this is my scheme,

981
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do here now I

982
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: can do it to a certain degree, and with these

983
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: young guys, if he develops trust to them sooner rather

984
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: than later, I think we'll see more of that well.

985
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: And what should also help Paul is the fact that

986
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: he brought in two familiar players who know the scheme,

987
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: and Antoine Bethe and Marcus Golden, who you brought up

988
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: in some of your previous answers, and you've been focusing

989
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: on the front seven and the rotation of the edge

990
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: rushers is going to be something to watch. Also, I think, Paul,

991
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: how James Betcher utilizes his front three, because you know,

992
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: you can make the argument Dexter, Lawrence B. J. Hill,

993
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlins and all players that perhaps can be used

994
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: on the interior as opposed to the exterior from what

995
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: Betcher said when he spoke to the media the other week,

996
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: especially Dave Gettleman, how do you see James Betcher perhaps

997
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: utilizing those three players in particular, considering there may be

998
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: some similarities there, Yeah, there are, And I think that's interesting.

999
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't. The way I look at

1000
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: it right now, it doesn't look like a perfect trio

1001
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: to me. You know, you just don't have the the

1002
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, the snacks. Harrison in the middle, you know,

1003
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean Dalvin Thomlinson to me, is not that. And um,

1004
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't think Dexter Lawrence is that. I mean, he's

1005
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: big enough to be that, but he's not. I think

1006
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: he's more capable to be on the outside as a

1007
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: defensive end because I think he is certainly quicker than

1008
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlins and so and you know b J. Hill

1009
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: showed that he could he should be that guy. Also

1010
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: he thought nose tackle. So I I do think I'll

1011
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: be interested in picking James Betcher's brain, and I'll be

1012
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: really interested in looking at the O T A s

1013
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: and seeing how they line up, and seeing how they

1014
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: used them and how they switched them around, because I

1015
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: think potentially all three players are solid, but I don't

1016
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: know if they fit as a trio. And that look,

1017
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: they drafted these guys. They're all young guys, um and

1018
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: so that's up to the Giants and Betcher to figure out.

1019
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: And it'll be interesting to see how they do it,

1020
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: because to me that it's a little bit of a

1021
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: square peg, round hole sort of thing, you know. Paul,

1022
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: Finally on defense before we head over to the side

1023
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: of the ball. You know, I think something a lot

1024
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: of people don't talk about enough is what happens in

1025
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: the middle of the Giants defense. And I think this

1026
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: is something that's killed them consistently over the past three

1027
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: or four years, where whether it's the linebackers covering, the

1028
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: safety's covering when a team needed a big third down,

1029
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: they would throw a ten yard pass in the middle

1030
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: of the field. The guyould be open all the time

1031
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: and and and they convert. And I think how Goodson

1032
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: Ogletree and Jabrol Pepper's play this year in coverage is

1033
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: going to be a huge, huge factor and how good

1034
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: does defense is overall, And I'm curious to see how

1035
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: they get utilized in terms of are they going to

1036
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: play his zone more, are they going to play man more.

1037
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: Can Peppers take the next step? How do those two

1038
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: inside linebackers cover. I think that's a very underrated part

1039
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: of of how this defense is going to function with

1040
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: so much focus on the corners and the edge rushers.

1041
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: Well that's I think that's a good point and one

1042
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: of the reasons why so many Giant fans were hoping

1043
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: Devin White would be their pick, because he's a guy

1044
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: who can stay in the field all three downs. But um,

1045
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: he's not on the team, so we don't have to

1046
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: spend much time with him. Um yeah. I mean, you know,

1047
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: Jason Witten basically came out of retirement just so he

1048
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: could play against the Giants. I mean, it was nothing

1049
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: to do with broadcasting or anything that he just said.

1050
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: He said, you know, we can get the Giants four

1051
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: times a year in the schedule, then um, I'll really

1052
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: come out. You know, I'll sign a lifetime contract. It's

1053
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: it's a problem, and I think you know a lot

1054
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: of people were a little quick to point the finger

1055
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: at Landon Collins and he had some deficiencies there, but

1056
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: but he was also forced to be used in certain

1057
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: ways where to make up for for maybe his deficiencies.

1058
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: It was difficult situation. You know, when a player does

1059
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: a few things or something's very very well, how about

1060
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: having him do those and and I think land and

1061
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: sometimes we stretched to do too much. U I agree. Uh.

1062
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: You know, you know b J. Goodson, it's a very

1063
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: big year for him, kind of a make up break

1064
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: year for him, if he can stay healthy. And you know,

1065
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that Ryan Connelly at some point

1066
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: doesn't fit in here. Um. He is not just a

1067
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: a inside linebacker, you know, um um point of attack guy.

1068
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: You know, he's fast. He's got some speed to him.

1069
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: You know, I saw him play for Wisconsin and he

1070
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: he shoots that gap and he can run down guys.

1071
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to be in all over

1072
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: the field coverage linebacker, but he is fast enough to

1073
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, I think if you put him

1074
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: an Oval Stree in a race, I think Ryan Connelly

1075
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: will win. So um um I do um. Now you know,

1076
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: maybe we can do something for charity and having race,

1077
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, line up with them too,

1078
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: and you can bet on me to finish third. Um.

1079
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: I I just so. So it'll be interesting to see

1080
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: how that all plays out. Look, it's not it's not

1081
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: a position of great, great strength. Um, you know they

1082
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: helped at the back end, as you said, you know

1083
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: Jabrol Peppers. It will be very interesting to see how

1084
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: better uses him because he is a Swiss army knife.

1085
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: He will play here, there, everywhere. So you know that

1086
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: that you know that that's what a good coordinator does.

1087
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: He moves his guys around and the quarterback looks he

1088
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: sees Peppers here on one play and here in another place.

1089
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: We're talking with Paul Schwartz covers the Giants in New

1090
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: York Post. Paul, I want to switch gears to the

1091
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. And they've also continued to

1092
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: transform this offensive line. And when is there a Giant's

1093
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: offseason that we don't talk about the offensive line of

1094
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: this might might be the last loss, is maybe the

1095
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: completion of the transformation. But Kevin Zeitler Mike Reremer's on

1096
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: the right side of the line seemed to be the

1097
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: two most significant changes. Paul, how far along do you

1098
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: think this offensive line has come since the talent of

1099
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: last season to what now they're working with as they

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00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: get set for O t as in training camp. Well,

1101
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: so all New I'm mean you know, um, you know,

1102
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: don't forget um um. Halapio was hurt. You know, he

1103
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: was a guy who was starting and then he virtually

1104
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: missed a whole year. So you have the whole new

1105
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: center right guard, right tackle, you know, with as you said,

1106
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: Remors and with Zeitler. You know, look, it looks like

1107
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: a line that that can function well together. You would

1108
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: think they're veterans. Uh, it's kind of sprinkled in very nicely,

1109
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: you know. You know you have Zeisler and Hernandez flanking

1110
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: Um Halapio or Spencer Pulley. You know, Plapio just does

1111
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: not respond. You know, I think Halapio was the guy

1112
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: they really want to start there. You know, if his

1113
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: if his ankle responds coming off surgery. Uh, you know,

1114
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: you have solder a year into Look. Look, I talked

1115
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: to an offensive line guru the other day and he

1116
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: said to me, coming out of New England, it is

1117
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: just it's very difficult for these offensive lineman to make

1118
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: a quick adjustment because they're they're dealing with the master

1119
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: and they're dealing you know, in Tom Brady, and you're

1120
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: dealing with so many things that make you look good

1121
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: which is why we see so many offensive linemen on

1122
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots play so well for them, and then they

1123
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: go out into the league. They struggle initially, and you know,

1124
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 1: Solder did struggle initially. He got better, He got better

1125
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: once Hernandez got better. Um, you know, I mean, I mean,

1126
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: I think Zeitler and Rembers are good pickups. You know,

1127
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, Remors is no Pro Bowl player. He's a

1128
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: solid veteran. He was you know, miscast last year at

1129
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: guard in Minnesota. He's a right tackle, He's not a guard.

1130
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: And so you know that was a one year experiment

1131
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 1: which is over with. But you know, I think them more.

1132
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: I think these guys Remors and and and Zeitler and

1133
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: Remers to a stronger degree, I think our culture, locker

1134
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: room tough guys who who who who set a great

1135
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: example and and and are what Gettleman wants as far

1136
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: as culture and leadership and toughness. And and I think

1137
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: the guys you really want to center on or the

1138
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: center Alapio and and and Hernandez. You know, those are

1139
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: the future and and the younger more interesting players. In

1140
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: my mind, I think the other three are solid veterans. Solder, Zeisler,

1141
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: and and remers solid veterans, you know. And and if

1142
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: they can come together and be a solid line, um,

1143
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: not a great line, but a solid line, it will

1144
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: do wonders for this team. Yeah, if they can just

1145
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: move into the you know, top half, middle third of

1146
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: the league, I think that would be real good progress.

1147
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: And Paul, as long as they play that well the Giants,

1148
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: despite the fact they trade Odell Beckham Jr. And everyone

1149
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: collectively lost their minds, they have plenty of weapons. I mean,

1150
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: sa Kwon Barkley can run it, he can catch it.

1151
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram is a matchup nightmare for opposing teams in

1152
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, assuming he stays healthy. Shepard

1153
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: and Golden Tap might not be a one wide receivers,

1154
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: but they're both very good football players. So if you

1155
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: line in and gets the time. To me, there's no

1156
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: reason this offense can't jump up to twenty four or

1157
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: so points per game this year. Well, um, you know,

1158
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: we'll see if twenty four is enough, But I mean

1159
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: you can't be an eighteen. There's no question. Um yeah,

1160
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean there's certainly weapons that look any any offense

1161
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: that you have set Kwon Barkley and a capable offensive line,

1162
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: You're gonna have some danger there because he's he's one

1163
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,479
Speaker 1: of the three or four best players in the league

1164
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: right now. He had any position. He just is and

1165
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: I can do everything. And we'll even do more this

1166
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: year than it did last year. As far as versatility,

1167
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, I know there's some talk that they think

1168
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: they may split them out more. You know. I mean, look,

1169
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: he was just scratching the surface last year and he

1170
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: was great. So uh, you know, we don't even have

1171
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: to discuss him at great lanes. It's just a matter

1172
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: of how much, how much they're gonna do with him

1173
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: and where and you know how they're gonna wow us.

1174
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know, they're they're they're there.

1175
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: You know, the receivers individually don't scare anyone, but as

1176
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: a group, can they can they kind of rise above it.

1177
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: You know, here is where the coaching and the scheme

1178
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: and the play calling all comes in because there is

1179
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: not the one big receiver you want to throw to,

1180
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, give fifteen you know, twelve targets a game.

1181
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: Uh So here is where Shermer has to really really

1182
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: earn his his money and scheme things, because you know,

1183
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: when you line Shepherd and Golden Tate outside. You know,

1184
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: people aren't adjusting their defense accordingly. So now you have

1185
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: to you know, can Angram be the difference maker? Can

1186
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: say Kwan in a certain spot be the difference maker? Uh,

1187
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting, you know. And and they

1188
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: have some more pieces here, and as long as the

1189
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: line can function to a certain level, Dennis up to

1190
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: Sherman to get these guys in the right places, and

1191
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: Eli to get the ball in the right places. And

1192
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to have to be like we saw,

1193
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, with Shermer in Minnesota to a certain extent

1194
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: before those receivers really broke out. Is Wow, they did

1195
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: some really smart things and capitalize. That's what the Giants

1196
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: have to be right now. Paul, we started the conversation

1197
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones and uh, the last one for me,

1198
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: I want to close out on that note. You just

1199
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: described the offense of the now well in terms of

1200
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: the offense of the future. I think everybody's question is

1201
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: when is Daniel Jones gonna get on the field and

1202
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: we could play the udder would have should have game.

1203
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: But Eli Manning is in the final year of his contract. Paul,

1204
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: so there is the land of the unknown entering two

1205
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: thousand twenty. At least we've heard from Dave Gettleman, we've

1206
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: heard from Shermer. The urgency is not necessarily there to

1207
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: put them on the field immediately. But in your mind,

1208
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: how do you see this thing playing out in the

1209
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: transition from Eli to Daniel Jones? Well, I see it

1210
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: in some ways like the transition from Kurt Warner to

1211
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. Uh. Look, as long as the Giants are

1212
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: winning and Eli is playing well, elis the quarterback. Um.

1213
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: If Eli is not playing well, it's a problem. If

1214
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: the Giants aren't winning, it's a problem. Now, what's the

1215
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: definition of winning? You know what I mean? You know,

1216
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: six and two, Eli's fine. Uh, three and three, I

1217
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: think Eli's fine. Um, you know after seven, eight nine games,

1218
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: you know, one and seven no good, like we've seen

1219
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: in the past. Um, you know two and nine is

1220
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: no good. So the Giants are going to try to compete.

1221
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: They're going to try to compete for a playoff spot.

1222
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: You know, most people around the league think they cannot

1223
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: do that. As long as they can do that and

1224
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: Eli is playing at a pretty high level, I think

1225
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: it'll be fine. Look, the organization. As we know. I'm

1226
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: not you know, telling you guys anything. You don't know.

1227
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: They love Eli. They kept him. They think he can

1228
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: still play. They don't think he can still play today

1229
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: and then want to you know, you know, kick him

1230
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: out the door tomorrow. They think he can still play.

1231
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: If they didn't, they would just move on and and

1232
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: and draft the quarterback and have him, you know, have

1233
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: journeyman veteran here and when he when he when it's

1234
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: time for to make the change, they put the rookie.

1235
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: And so they think he can still play. They want

1236
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: to play the season with him. But if things go

1237
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: south in the second half, I think, well, if if

1238
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: it happens where there's a mathematical either impossibility they can

1239
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: make a playoffs or kind of a spiritual impossibility that look,

1240
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: we know we're not making a playoffs, then they're gonna

1241
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a change. They're they're gonna get Daniel

1242
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: Jones ready to play and look on the schedule and

1243
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: figure out where it makes sense. But you're right, there's

1244
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: no urgency to do that because they have Eli. He's

1245
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: not a guy you just want to cast aside. He's

1246
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: done too much for this franchise. But look, when the

1247
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: replacement is in the building and he's in the room

1248
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: with you, when he's on the practice field with you,

1249
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: it's a matter of time now. Whether it's a season,

1250
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: whether it's a half the season, whether it's three quarters

1251
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: of the season, whether it's a season and a half,

1252
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: it's coming, right, it's coming, and it's just a matter

1253
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: of win. Paul, great stuff. We appreciate the time. We'll

1254
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: talk to you soon. Thanks Paul, all right, Thanks guys,

1255
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: take care. Paul Schwartz in the New York Posts, our

1256
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: guest on Big Blue Kick Off Live. Thank you for

1257
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: joining us today, Folks is all presented by Corps Light four,

1258
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: Lance Minaum, John Schmunk. Will see you tomorrow at noon.

1259
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Speaker 1: Have a go on, everybody, have a go on.