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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is known. They called me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: with our super producer, Paul the Condecand but most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Let's start off

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Speaker 1: on a high note today. Sure, let's do ray me

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Speaker 1: fossil Latti, do our way to death to death. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's uh, let's do that. So death, as it's often said,

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Speaker 1: is one of the main U nineteen experiences of humanity.

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Speaker 1: Eddie Right. No matter how different you are, how wealthy, poor, respected,

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Speaker 1: or ignored you are, one day you will die. Are

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Speaker 1: And one of the biggest differences between us human beings

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Speaker 1: is that we remember and venerate our dead, our loved ones,

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Speaker 1: or even our hated ones who have passed. Civilizations of

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Speaker 1: old channel this tremendous amount of energy in preparing for

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Speaker 1: their respective versions of the afterlife, and then created practices

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Speaker 1: after us. Yeah, generally in this country, it's do you

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Speaker 1: get burned, which is an ancient practice of burning about it,

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Speaker 1: the ancient ritual of the sick burn yep, goes back

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Speaker 1: farther than you think it does. And on a side note,

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Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to a fantastic

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Speaker 1: specifically called Burial. Is it available right now? It is

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Speaker 1: not available, so you can't ever watch it ever, No, never,

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Speaker 1: you will never be able to watch it. So it's

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Speaker 1: without spoiling it. It is fantastic and alowing the way

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Speaker 1: legality of burial here in the US. But while the

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Speaker 1: specific funeral rites and rituals of some civilizations may be

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Speaker 1: lost to time, we do have something equally amazing, some

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Speaker 1: people would say even more amazing, and that is physical

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Speaker 1: historical evidence of ancient people and their heroes, many of

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Speaker 1: whom are called villains. Today we are talking about tombs,

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Speaker 1: like a mausoleum. That's where that name camelogy. Yeah. Pretty interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it sounds morbid sure for us to to open

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Speaker 1: it was not human. Humans just helped it along. At

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Speaker 1: the same time these empires begin to fall and assimilate,

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Speaker 1: the Black Plague strikes. It destabilizes the world. Trade networks

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Speaker 1: that were already suffering are falling into mass of disrepair

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Speaker 1: as everybody's trying to figure out why everyone around them

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Speaker 1: is dying. About of China's population falls to the plague,

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Speaker 1: as well as anywhere from five to fifty of the

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Speaker 1: population in Europe. So yeah, it's a it's it's a

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Speaker 1: grizzly rye is a grizzly fall. But regardless of whether

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Speaker 1: you think he is one of the world's best military commanders,

436
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: a global hero, or an infamous villain, when thing's for sure,

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00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: Jengis Cohn changed history. So what happened to him? Well,

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00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: that's the thing nobody really knows except for those people

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00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: that got, according to legend, assassinated immediately after they buried him.

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Speaker 1: So hardcore. So even today, right now, the search continues

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Speaker 1: officially outside of you know, maybe the secret keepers. Maybe

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Speaker 1: there is a group of small group of secret keepers,

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Speaker 1: and we'll learn about that right after a quick word

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. According to

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Speaker 1: oral folklore and legend, the empire went to great links

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Speaker 1: to erase the location and the cons tomb from the world.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, the funeral escort killed people they countered

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Speaker 1: on the way to and from the site, which is

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Speaker 1: a little complicated because the people who knew the way

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00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: there got killed when they were there. And then the

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00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: other people who killed the slaves and the soldiers who

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Speaker 1: killed the slaves. Uh, they probably never saw the two,

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Speaker 1: at least according to the story. So again, well, well,

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Speaker 1: well before this in b C, we had Greek cultures

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Speaker 1: that were venerating their dead with these ostentatious monuments that

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Speaker 1: were there for everyone to worship and see, totally different

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Speaker 1: style of burial. Here, they're killing their countrymen to keep

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Speaker 1: them from spreading the word of where this leader would

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Speaker 1: have been buried and for what reason. We'll we'll get

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Speaker 1: to that. Yeah. Then for another cultural reference, killing people

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Speaker 1: who construct a tomb of a leader is unfortunately not uncommon.

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Speaker 1: There have been other cases in ancient cultures where slaves

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Speaker 1: were killed not to keep a secret, but as a

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Speaker 1: sacrifice to serve the leader in the afterlife. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna ask, do you think they were like surprised or

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Speaker 1: are they going into this knowing they probably weren't going

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Speaker 1: to come back? That part has lost to history and

468
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: stuff too. It's you know, it's easy for us to say, well,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that if I knew what was going

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Speaker 1: to happen, you know, with the benefit of looking back

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Speaker 1: from But the fact of the matter is we don't

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Speaker 1: have documentation that tells us anything about the understanding or

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Speaker 1: the motivation of the slaves or the soldiers, because there's

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Speaker 1: very little documentation about Cohn at all. Right, there's the

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Speaker 1: Secret History of the Mongols, which is often considered not

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent accurate, and it leaves a lot of

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Speaker 1: things out. But it's you know, you've this far back

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Speaker 1: in history. There's a constant search for sources, Right, you

479
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: gotta put it together based on artifacts and just kind

480
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: of like finding stuff and putting the pieces together and

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Speaker 1: saying this is probably how it went down. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: based on what the people who, what kind of frame

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Speaker 1: of reference or cultural perspective the earlier investigators were coming from,

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Speaker 1: Like we're still we got to be clear. This stuff

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Speaker 1: we're talking about here is the realm of legend. The

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Speaker 1: tomb was allegedly hidden, and folklore gives us conflicting methods

487
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Speaker 1: of camouflage, and one story an entire river was diverted

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Speaker 1: over the CON's grave so that no one could find it. Ever,

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Speaker 1: in another version, they had horses trample across the ground

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Speaker 1: and then they planted trees on the site so that

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Speaker 1: you couldn't find any clear traces of somebody digging. And

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Speaker 1: then another story says that perma frost itself erased all

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Speaker 1: traces of the site. Uh, there's another guy. In sixteen

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Speaker 1: sixty two, a work called the Ordini top Chi that

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Speaker 1: argues Genghis Khan's coffin was empty when it arrived to Mongolia.

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Speaker 1: It's very it's a it's a conspiracy theory that has

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Speaker 1: echoes in the mom Earn day. Uh. And then there's

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Speaker 1: another atland that from six o four that says only

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Speaker 1: Genghis Khan's shirt tent and his boots were buried. Shirt

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Speaker 1: shoes tent no service in the afterlife. Yeah, but essentially

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Speaker 1: after he died, people began searching for this too. One

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Speaker 1: legend said that was found as soon as thirty years later.

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Speaker 1: This is the weirdest one I found was that was

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Speaker 1: found thirty years later because a camel was buried with

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Speaker 1: the con a young camel, and that the camel's mother

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Speaker 1: found the grave and started weeping over the death of

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Speaker 1: its child. It sounds like a fairy tale. It sounds

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Speaker 1: very Pixar Andy Disney movie esque. Probably not true, but

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Speaker 1: it is possible that the burial site was somewhere around

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Speaker 1: wild camel routes, and then the tears seeped into the

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Speaker 1: soil and the camel was resurrected by the power of love.

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Speaker 1: As long as that wilder and watching nearby clap their hands.

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00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: That's probably not true, but uh, we do have some

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Speaker 1: prove that it is not true. Prove that I'm saying

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Speaker 1: the camel thing is so real. Yeah, I hope it is, man,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're right, I hope it is. I would

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Speaker 1: love to hang out deep in Disney movies. Now, that's

518
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: gotta be real. What are the good Disney movies? Coco?

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00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: Coco is pretty good, which one my son calls it

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00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: The Boy with the Bones? Yeah, oh I remember that. Yeah,

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00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: it's a solid What do you see Incredibles too? Yet,

522
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: there's a short before it that will gut you, my friend.

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00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: It's called Bow. It's about a dumpling. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful,

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Speaker 1: it's beautiful. So the thing about Disney films and Pixar

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Speaker 1: films as well, is that, oh I just realized, pretty

526
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Speaker 1: soon every film is going to be a Disney film.

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Speaker 1: They're buying, they're buying it all they might buy us

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00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: they already please buy as Disney. Please, but I will.

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Speaker 1: I will not say no to tickets or a mascot costume,

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00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But the the thing about these films,

531
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Speaker 1: these Disney films, is that they are proven historical resources.

532
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: We can look at them, we can see what happened

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00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: in them. It's not just oral folklore. And we have

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Speaker 1: some documentation from this time. Oddly enough, via Marco Polo.

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Speaker 1: He wrote about his travels and he wrote about what

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Speaker 1: he saw as the attitudes of Mongolian people themselves, uh,

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Speaker 1: and the speculation over the side of the grave. According

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Speaker 1: to him, people Mongolia did not know where the tomb

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Speaker 1: was as early as the late thirteenth centuries, so even

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Speaker 1: just a few decades after the death, they were saying,

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Speaker 1: which we don't know where he is. And he was like, Marco, oh,

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Speaker 1: we are po lowering the bar on the puns today.

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Speaker 1: Marco did have a guest, though, and in the Travels

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Speaker 1: of Marco Polo, he writes that it has been an

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Speaker 1: invariable custom that all the grand cons and chiefs of

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Speaker 1: the race of jenis Con should be carried for an

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00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: internment to a certain lofty mountain named Alte and in

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Speaker 1: whatever place they may happen to die, although it should

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Speaker 1: be at the distance of a hundred days journey, they

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00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: are nevertheless conveyed thither. Oh, Marco Polo, what a And

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00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: I do believe the illustrious Cohn may have dad from

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Speaker 1: an arrow to the knee. That's right, I like the

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Speaker 1: jewel at this guy sip you know also met that

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00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: that accident totally, I mean convinced you're about to go. Yeah,

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00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: I only do one voice so it's great. But the

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00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: precision Matt it's doing it drips like butter. It's the

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00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: true voice of history, Matt Julip Frederick taking a big

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Speaker 1: old journey across Mongolian understand over the mountain old time.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I want to make a video game and

560
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: just have you narrate all the characters. I'm down with that, Hey,

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00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: developers out there, please let me voice your game and battle.

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00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Ben'll do it, and Nol do it, and Paul do it. No,

563
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: it'll just be you, and it'll just be a game

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Speaker 1: full of old men countering around the Mongolian waste, including

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Speaker 1: the love interests. Yes, it it'll be the West World game.

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Speaker 1: And I'll just play the old guy. Okay, okay, Now

567
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: everybody knows there's an old person in a TV show.

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00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: Just let me play Delos's grandfather who now, uh yeah,

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00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: but people are probably programmed where they haven't gotten to

570
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Speaker 1: the level of consciousness that they can't hear that spoiler.

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00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: You guys are killing me. So in seven rumors surfaced

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Speaker 1: that the Soviet government had found and stolen a banner

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Speaker 1: from this Buddhist monastery, this remote Buddhist monastery, and the

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Speaker 1: banner had clues leading you to the grave site. Nothing

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00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: came of that. Who let those guys have that? No

576
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: one they took it. They probably started the rumor themselves.

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00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: They're a little braggadocious over there in the Soviet Union.

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00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be honest, it might be seven when

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Speaker 1: we did the Great Game podcast about Shambalah. This is

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00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: probably associated with that. The searches continued and they had

581
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: that same pattern that we see in so many of

582
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: these sorts of investigations, are all these tantalizing clues. Somebody

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00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: finds a button, they find a gold coin, they find

584
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: like an ancient bow, but they find no concrete proof

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00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: leading to the grave. There's a very sad story here.

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Speaker 1: An amateur archaeologist named Maury Kravitz dedicated decades of his

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Speaker 1: life to searching for this tomb, and he was basing

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00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: a lot of his research and his excavations, which were

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00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: quite expensive, on the writings of a fifteenth century French jesuit.

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00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: He was convinced, based on this guy's records, that the

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00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: site would be near the cons quote favorite place the

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Speaker 1: confluence CEO in f l U E n c E

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Speaker 1: of the Curlin and quote Bruccie rivers with a place

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Speaker 1: named Burkon called Doon over his right shoulder. Kravitz couldn't

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00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: find a river named Brucie, which most people would think

596
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: to mean that he's just confused the name or that

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00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. Bruccie man, And isn't the Caldoon the

598
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: the the Birken Caldoon the mountain in question right from

599
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: reaching his hands up to the sky God, so everybody

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00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: believes that Scott to be somehow related to this mountain.

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Speaker 1: But he did find something called a toponym, uh Barroon

602
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: Brooch or West Brooch. And a toponym is a place

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00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: name that is derived from a topographical feature. Was so

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00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: cool that it's really cool. And that's a new one

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Speaker 1: for me. It's t O P O N y M

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Speaker 1: and yeah uh. And this area was about a hundred

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Speaker 1: kilometers east of Birkeland called Dunes. Not that far. Cravitz

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00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: died without ever finishing or failing his search for the

609
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: two makes you never quit, but yeah, yeah, exactly, And

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00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: it makes you think about all those people who have

611
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: spent their life looking for something like the Holy Grail,

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00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: like putting all of their life's work into something like

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00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: that or what what are what are some of these

614
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: other legendary things, Yeah, things that don't want to be found.

615
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: But thankfully, Morey's young grandson, Lenny, went on to become

616
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: an incredible rock star, a rock Yeah, sports leather pants

617
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: like no one's ever done in the history of had

618
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: wonderful children, And if you listen to most of his albums,

619
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: you'll see that the lyrics are are actually about the

620
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: search for the tomb of genghisk the whole thing that

621
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna go my way, that's about Genghis Khan. Yea,

622
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: none of this is true. This is true. The one

623
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Speaker 1: fault is he wrote it about Genghis Khan rather than

624
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: Jengis Khan. And that's what's kind of failed pronunciations. It's

625
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: better when we catch ourselves though, Isn't it agreed? This

626
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: is lean into it. There are other possible locations. Marco

627
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: Polo has that admittedly vague but amazingly performed by Matt

628
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: mentioned of Altai. Other theories include something from Luan dynasty,

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Speaker 1: which the one dynasty is mongoled sended. You know, we're

630
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Speaker 1: talking earlier about ruling populations that were thought to have

631
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Speaker 1: assimilated to egregiously these This is one example. In the

632
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: Yuan dynasty believe that all Mongol Kans were buried in

633
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Speaker 1: the area of Genghis Khan's tomb, a site known as

634
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: qin Yan Valley. But there's no in all their records

635
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Speaker 1: talking about this valley. There's no specific mention of where

636
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Speaker 1: that tomb is. They just talk around it as if

637
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Speaker 1: they know where it is, so like the valley beyond. Yeah,

638
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: but they was it exclusive to to Jengis him being

639
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: the big the big Kahuna that they would hide his

640
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: tomb or would would they like would they have hit

641
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: all of their burials like a valley of the cons Yeah,

642
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: there's well. Again, the tradition is not to mark them.

643
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: Yea where you were born, to write were like where

644
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: you originate. There's another bit of folklore that says he's

645
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: buried at the peak of or on a peak rather

646
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: in the Kenti mountains, and that's Burkehon call doon Uh.

647
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: He had hidden from enemies on that mountain as a

648
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: young man. That's where he made that spiritual pledge right

649
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: to return there and death. So for centuries it seemed

650
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: like this was going to be a hopeless fools. Errand

651
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: it's a huge country. It's not very populated. It's almost

652
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: as if the Hue humans sprinkled there are just to

653
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: give us a sense of scale about how vast and

654
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: empty it is. It's a very unforgiving terrain. It's a

655
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: very unforgiving terrain. But there was there, there was something

656
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: that seemed set to change the expedition's game that arrived

657
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: very recently, and that is the emergence of cutting edge technology,

658
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: which will dive into after a word from our sponsors,

659
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: and we're back and entered Dr Albert Lynn. He is

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00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: the let's say, he's the most well known example of

661
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: somebody who's using technology in the hunt for this lost

662
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: tumb And you you're a huge fan of this guy, right, man,

663
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: I am. I've only I've only spent let's say it's

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00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: probably a forty eight minutes with him roughly that I've

665
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: spent with him on screen hanging out. No, no, no, no.

666
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: I I love the work that he's doing and it

667
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: seems very admirable. And going back to his roots, backstory

668
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: about led him to this ultimate journey using grad school

669
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: and he went back to Mongolia, bought a horse and

670
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: ended up like staying with these nomadic people and um

671
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: kind of hearing about this potential for a hidden sight

672
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: that we're talking about and it intrigued him a lot, obviously. Well,

673
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: it's it's really awesome. It's something we've discussed on this

674
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: show a lot before, using lidar and other new technologies

675
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: to be able to find hidden tombs, hidden archaeology that

676
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: exists there in the world. And he's actually doing it,

677
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: and he convinced in this case National Geographic to go

678
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: out and you know, fund his research and fund his journeys.

679
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: Pretty awesome. Yeah. Lightar is stands for light detection and ranging.

680
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: It's a remote sensing method. You've probably heard when we

681
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: talked about law civilizations how this technology has been used.

682
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: And luckily for Lynn and Code, this has progressed by

683
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: leaps and bounds. Nor weren't you mentioning that drone that

684
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: used light ar. Yeah, he's got a really like early.

685
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 1: When I say early, I think this is in what came. Yeah,

686
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: he started his search I think started in O eight. Yeah,

687
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: so you know at that time, drone technology was it's

688
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: like the military thing we always talk about where it's um,

689
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: they hold back stuff or they only have like the

690
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: good stuff for the big boys in the military, and

691
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: then it eventually trickles down to what I like to

692
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: call pro sumer technology, where it's going to be quite

693
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: expensive to get a good one, and they had one.

694
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: They had. I'm not sure exactly, Matt. You may have

695
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: mentioned what the model might have been of the strone. Oh, No,

696
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know the actual It was definitely a really

697
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: tight drone equipped with some kind of light ar technology

698
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: that they could use to do topographical like aerial maps.

699
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Jonathan, our own Jonathan Strickland went to

700
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Speaker 1: see yes that your were a version of ce S

701
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: at the time, and uh talked about those first prosumer drones. Yeah,

702
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: I think you were correct. They also used satellite imagery.

703
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: They had some assistance from some satellite companies, and with

704
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: this and the lighter, which they describe as non invasive

705
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: ground based imaging, they were able to identify and study

706
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of archaeological sites, including some ancient burial mounds,

707
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: none of which so far have turned out to be

708
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: the cons We should point out to that it's a

709
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: big deal, big important part of this as that the

710
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Mongolian government they won't let anybody dig. There's no there's

711
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: no dig policy. So this was his solution to, like,

712
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: let's do a virtual dig. Yeah, and they also so

713
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: very quickly they run into this problem. We're gonna let's

714
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: talk a little in depth about this because this is

715
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: the most well known recent search and the one that

716
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: has the highest probability of success. Honestly, he did it

717
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: very smartly. Yeah. So he also crowdsourced. Their team said, look,

718
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: we're getting way too many images. We're getting way too

719
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: much stuff to go through. If you are interested in this,

720
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: you do not have to be PhD level archaeologist. We

721
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: want to use you as what Dr Lynn called a

722
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: human computation network. So they got thousands of quote citizen archaeologists,

723
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: that's what they called them, to review more than eighty

724
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: five thousand images from this that they had gotten through

725
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: this company called Digital Globe, that's their satellite partner. And

726
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: these were images of that forbidden zone that's the name

727
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah. Uh, that's where you cannot dig. And

728
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: parts of that area used to be entirely restricted to

729
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: royal families among colia. So it's a big deal for

730
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: people to even be able to go out there, and

731
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: he published a paper about this called Combining go O

732
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Speaker 1: I one Satellite Remote Sensing u a V Aerial Imaging

733
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Speaker 1: and Geophysical Surveys and Anomaly Detection applied to Archaeology. Sexy.

734
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Speaker 1: It's the kicker, right, is these these anomalies because when

735
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: you look at the aerial footage, there's stuff down there

736
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: that's clearly man made. He says, if it's like squared

737
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: off looking, it's these little nipple looking things, little bounds

738
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: kind of that's quote unquote like odd. But he said

739
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: the sheer amount of data was just too too, too,

740
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: too much for a team of of however many he

741
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: had access to to mess with and just to mind

742
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: through it all. Hence the crowdsourcing. So he basically got

743
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: a bunch of people to do a bunch of grunt

744
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: work for him for free. Well, the images were roughly

745
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: one pixel to one meter. That's amazing, So like you're

746
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: literally looking at all of the land space. That's a

747
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: lot of computer enhance. Yeah, but then what did the

748
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: aggregate look like when all the results were in all

749
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: these clicks, all these people taken on these deals, what

750
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: do they get back that made it interesting? They are

751
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: a distinct lack of a two of Genghis cons tom.

752
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: But they but they saw clusters of things kind of pinpoint,

753
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: so they were able to yeah, map out civilizations places

754
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: where it may be more likely for the tomb to

755
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: be located, especially if the folks from Nuan dynasty were

756
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: correct and that there was some sort of knowledge of

757
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: the tombs location and that the cons were secretly buried.

758
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: There was a thing about it being betwixt two rivers

759
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: or something, and go back to and the proximity to

760
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: the mountain of course, right, that's right. I think they

761
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: found what he redescribed as an iron age tomb um.

762
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: But it has just been picked clean by grave robbers,

763
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: he said, looking for barrow heads or something. Yeah, but

764
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: you're right, Bend. They you know, all this cool tech

765
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: didn't amount to a whole Hillo Hillo con one other

766
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: Hillican of one of the other really cool things they

767
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: had where the lidar actually back in backpack style or something.

768
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: So they're walking around across these areas that have been

769
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, clustered together with a bunch of different people

770
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: seeing and they're walking just with a lighter on their back.

771
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: I want to do that. I want that for you,

772
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: I feel like you've earned that. That's kind of rolling

773
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: cart version of it too. And I saw in the

774
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: video that I was look confused about what it was.

775
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: But they definitely had a lot of tech and that

776
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: was a big part of the of the of the

777
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: show was how much gear they had, you know. And

778
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: we can't downplay what they found because they found a

779
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: lot of amazing, astonishing things. They just found those as

780
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: a result of searching for the thing that they have

781
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: yet to find, and that's because there are and this

782
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: this is maybe the strangest part of today's story. There

783
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: are some massive problems with the search. Nold you and

784
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: I like we briefly mentioned the terrain his first off

785
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: spoiler alert. Mongolia is the definition of remote. Most of

786
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: the country outside of the capital Lambatore does not have roads,

787
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: rooted cities. There's still many communities living in the neeumatic

788
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: tradition on the steps. And then just for comparison, I

789
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: found this fascinating. This really set it in stone in

790
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: my mind. Mongolia is more than seven times the size

791
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: of Great Britain and it has about two percent the

792
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: amount of roads that Great Britain has. It's so funny

793
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: that recently took a flight over the Great Salt Flats

794
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City, and that was the closest kind

795
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: of terrain that I could kind of compare to this.

796
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: It's not desert. It it's very like you look down,

797
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: it's like there's nobody down there. Yeah, there are no roads,

798
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: and it's like I felt like I was flying over

799
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: the moon and it was just beautiful. But it's also

800
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: like very alien. I have to have a feeling there's

801
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: a similar quality over over there in Mongolia. There was

802
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: one yeah, when I drove through the salt flats on

803
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: me completely non sketchy thing, and it was one of

804
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: the few times in my life I thought, Man, if

805
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: the car breaks down, that's it. It's over for me.

806
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: They make a good point to in the documentary how

807
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: they take older trucks and stuff because they're easier to

808
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: fix out in the field, and there would be like,

809
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: now you're not going to find a Volkswagen shop, you know.

810
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: And even with those trucks that have like four by

811
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: four capability and stuff, they have to send some people

812
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: on horseback different sites, right stuff. So I always see

813
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: what you're saying, because they couldn't get right up onto

814
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 1: it with the vehicle. They had to like send out parties. Yeah,

815
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: it's totally true. What we need to do is have

816
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: teams that go in behind the search, teams that can

817
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: set up supply lines. Oh yeah, there we go, right.

818
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: I think that's how we conquered this whole thing. So

819
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: that was the smartest little detail of CON's brigade that

820
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: that's Gone'm like, wow, that is They really had to

821
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: figure it out. There's also some speculation that climate change

822
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: played a role in the expansion of the empire because

823
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: they did they were running out of resources agriculturally to

824
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: feed people. Sure, and I always I hadn't considered that,

825
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: and maybe that played a role in the later environmental

826
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: laws that he instituted. There was another video that Auto

827
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: played after the documentary were talking about. It was an

828
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Australian fellow who tried to follow the path that the

829
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: Mongols would have taken, and he kept bringing another problem

830
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: where there wasn't enough grass for the horses to graze on,

831
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: so that the horse was would get skinny over time.

832
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: And you could picture that happening for real, like back

833
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: in the day. If it's like the resources aren't there,

834
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: you can't feed your horses. You can't feed your horses,

835
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: you can't feel only going on with this nomadic lifestyle.

836
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: The only way is forward to find the what they

837
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: call him in song, advice, some fire, exceason, game of Thrones,

838
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: the sheep people, the lambsmen people. And here here's the strangest,

839
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: most disturbing part. One of the reasons, possibly one of

840
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: the reasons that the tomb is yet to be found

841
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: despite all this blood, sweat, tears and amazing technology applied

842
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: to the question, is that some people, many people, do

843
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: not want it to be found, especially native Mongolians. They

844
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: don't want the tune to be disturbed. This is often described,

845
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: at least here in the West, in terms of a curse.

846
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: They'll say that Moriy Kravitz died because he got too

847
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: close was cursed. And this idea is that disturbing or

848
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: even discovering the grave of the con will set in

849
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: motion this catastrophic series of events, triggering something like World

850
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: War three. However, what's interesting here as well is that

851
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: many Mongolians who reject the spiritual concerns and say, ah,

852
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: the idea of a curse is just a bunch of Gobbledegook.

853
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: They still don't want the tomb discovered. In their opinion

854
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: for people who would consider themselves skeptical, but I want

855
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: this to remain unknown. Their opinion is that if it

856
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: was the CON's wish, it was jengis CON's wish that

857
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: his body not be found, then his wishes should be respected.

858
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: This mixture of fear and respect is codified the modern day.

859
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: The mountains that often come up as candidates in the

860
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 1: search for the tomb are still considered sacred. Uh. There

861
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: were recent reports of a Mongolian researcher and a journalist

862
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: who I believe was British who were not still not

863
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: allowed the modern day to climb Burkhan klled Doon because

864
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: they were women. Yeah, and it's still now it used

865
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: to be. The area that used to be known as

866
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: the I correg or Great Taboo is not now called

867
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: the Contental strictly protected area. It's a World Heritage Site

868
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: and because of this designation, it's been off limits to

869
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: most researchers, which strictly protected area. Yeah, how Lynn get

870
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: up in there? Though National Geographics got some pool. He

871
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: tells an interesting story about how near the end of

872
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: their project or at some point after they've been there

873
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: for a while, he was approached by their representatives of

874
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: the local shaman, and there's this great story. It's clearly

875
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: the central you know, kicker of his ted talk moment

876
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: where he shaking and why are you here? Why are

877
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: you here? And who are you and asked them all

878
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: these very existential questions. But ultimately, isn't like angry, isn't

879
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: like get out, isn't like don't do anything, because at

880
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: the same at the end of the day, they're not

881
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: going to dig it up. They're just like trying to

882
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: get some answers. And you know, but my big question

883
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: to you guys is who cares? Why? What? What's what?

884
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: What's what's there to find? Why don't need to see

885
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: a body? Why don't need to see these remnants? Because

886
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: it could create a watershed moment in archaeology. First off,

887
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: it would it would clarify the questions about the death right.

888
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: It would it would also from the perspective of any

889
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: Mongolian parties who want the tomb to be discovered, it

890
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: would be a massive cultural boon. You know, we would

891
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: also probably find a lot of stuff that's buried with

892
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: him that would answer questions about engineering, questions about human

893
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: technology at the time that that we wouldn't know ordinarily.

894
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: But I think we don't have that from other sources, right,

895
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I think the yeah to continue. I think that the

896
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: primary appeal for many people who are not Mongolian is

897
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: the the proving or disproving of various myths. This is

898
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: a enough for a lot of it to be essentially

899
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: legend and then also a bit of romanticization. I don't

900
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: think we can escape that. I think there's there's clearly

901
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: a bit of a rosy picture people paint. But I

902
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: have a question for you guys, which is what about

903
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: this this curse thing? It doesn't come out a whole cloth.

904
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen other historical leaders be have their

905
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: tombs described as cursed. Yeah, it's true. This guy named

906
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: George Edwards Stan Hope Molino Herbert a k a. The

907
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: Earl of Carnavon, was quite a fancy man who fancied

908
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: himself an amateur egyptologist who was Carnavon is real? Is

909
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: that real? Yeah? That's he was the Earl of car

910
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: carr carnar Carnarvon, Carnarvon, let's call it. I don't like it. Yeah,

911
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: come at me, Brits. Um. But yeah, he he um.

912
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: He apparently actually grew up in a High Claire Castle,

913
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: which is the estate where they filmed Downton Abbey. So

914
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: very fancy boy, he sure does. But he also really

915
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: was into Egyptology and single handedly, um using wielding his

916
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: influence and his obscene wealth, um, paid for an expedition

917
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: to open the tomb of the boy King King Tuton

918
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: comment looks like brain, okay, yes, so what what happened? Well,

919
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: he hired this young, upstart archaeologist, kind of a Brendan

920
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: Fraser type prime not modern day Brendan kind of sad.

921
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: Howard Carter was this man's name. They had met through

922
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: a guy named Gaston Maspero who was the director general

923
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: of the Egyptian Department of Antiquities. And yeah, they opened

924
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: up this tomb and they found all kinds of crazy stuff.

925
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: And very shortly after visiting Thebes to visit the site

926
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: of the spoils of his investment, We're gonna call him Carnarvon,

927
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: as as is befitting his station. He he died in

928
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: short order after getting get this bit by a mosquito

929
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: whoa so you get like the malaria or some advirus,

930
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: some real bad And I'm not I'm not going to

931
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: as far. I'm not saying that didn't know was a

932
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: common But man, what a kick in the pants, yeah,

933
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: or a bite in the leg. Yeah, And that's its

934
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: own you know, that's almost its own episode. The curse

935
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: of King tut right, we do we already do that.

936
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: I know we've done a video for sure. It all blurs.

937
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: But search or search for it, see if you can

938
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: find and let us know before there's one other example

939
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: of a curse that, oddly enough is related to Mongols

940
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: stuff as well, and that is Team or or often

941
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: called tamer Lane in the West. Uh, this fear of

942
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: grave consequences, get it, Get in that grave. Yep, great consequences.

943
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: Let's sit in it. Everybody's sitting in it. And I'm sorry,

944
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This this this fear echoes concerns that regard

945
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: the discovery of the legendary grave of Tamerlane or Timore.

946
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: In n one, Soviet archaeologists discovered the grave of this guy's,

947
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: a fourteenth century Turkic Mongolian king in some arcan that

948
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: a location called emir cert of fact. Okay, it's just

949
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: we cut it in the original edit, but at first

950
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: I mispronounced as gury Mur. I honestly don't know if

951
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: you did mispronounce it. It's unclear. But it's the opportunity

952
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: to just make a Swedish chef joke. Yeah it was.

953
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: That's fine, That's it's done. You guys gotta go for it.

954
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: You already did it. Go ahead and try it. If

955
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: you're listening to everybody, everybody you're you're jogging past right now,

956
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: we'll just think you're a lot of fun. Yes, they'll

957
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: say it together, ready, three, two one, Yeah, it's it's

958
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: the location in Samarcan where they found the tomb, and

959
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: it bore a warning allegedly of a terrible fate that

960
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: would befall any and all who disturbed the dead king's slumber.

961
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: One worse than me will rise. Immediately afterward, according to

962
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: the story, the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, launching World

963
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: War two's Eastern Front, so two days after the tomb

964
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: was opened, on the night of June twenty, Nazi Germany

965
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: declared war invaded the USSR. A lot of people linked

966
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: it with the opening of that tomb, and the expedition

967
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: was immediately wound up. The remains of the guy were

968
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: sent for study in Moscow. Coincidence, right, especially when consider

969
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: World War two was already in full swing. People who

970
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: believe in that curse think there's an additional fact. They

971
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: say the turning point of the war occurred at the

972
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: Battle of Stalingrad and the Soviets one exactly a month

973
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: after Stalin ordered the government to return Timore's remains to

974
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: Samarkand and bury him with full honors. WHOA I'm gonna say,

975
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a coincidence. I think you don't need

976
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: a supernatural uh curse to be decent enough to not

977
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: desecrate a grave. Also are egyptologist, amateur egyptologist Fancy Boy

978
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: was known to have a bit poor health. And you know,

979
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: if you're if you're if you're not healthy, something like

980
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: a bloodborne illness from a mosquito, who might take you

981
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: out a little quicker. You're talking about Carner Hern Lord Carnivore.

982
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: But actually Arthur Conan Doyle is one of the ones

983
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: who spread the idea of this curse with as pertained

984
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: to so to Doyle a kind of fool of those people.

985
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: He but he was a bit of a fabulous right,

986
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: a fictionist. Yeah, it is a great tale, though, is

987
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if I ever am fortunate enough to die,

988
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: then I am obviously going to have some sort of

989
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: curse inscribed, Like that's what you want, right, Like Shakespeare

990
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: does he have? Yeah, good friend for jesus sake, forbear

991
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: to dig the dust and close it here. Blessed be

992
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: he man that spares these stones, and cursed be he

993
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: that moves my bones? And did you notice it rhymes? Yeah?

994
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: I used to get at that. He kind of invented rhyming.

995
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 1: Didn't name Shakespeare. Francis Bacon is so just awesome. So yeah,

996
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: so curses are common, Um, I I don't know. This

997
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: is as we end today's episode. First, we want to

998
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: thank you for hanging out with us, and we want

999
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: to ask you do you think this tomb should be

1000
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: disturbed or found, especially if the people who are descended

1001
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: from this empire don't want it to be found. I

1002
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,439
Speaker 1: am of the mind definitely not leavall enough alone. Yeah,

1003
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, don't disturb the ground if you're not invited,

1004
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's sort of the

1005
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: point of a curse, right, It's like, don't mess with

1006
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: my stuff, are you gonna get cursed? But also a

1007
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: lot of this depiction of it as a curse. I

1008
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: feel like it comes from the West, Like I couldn't

1009
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: find anythinging in Mongolian culture that said this tomb is

1010
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: specifically cursed. I just found it being the wishes of

1011
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,959
Speaker 1: the man interred. They're sort of like the the old

1012
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: Kennedy curse. We sort of imposed this notion of a

1013
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: cur of a curse on a series of unfortunate events

1014
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: that sounds like a Netflix show children children's popular series

1015
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: of children's books. So I don't know about that. We're suppressiot. Uh.

1016
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: This episode, by the way, let's just say we recorded

1017
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,720
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1018
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: and Netflix and uh and of course by Jenghis Khan,

1019
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: who has his motto has always been don't disturb my

1020
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: grave r. And like the legacy of Genghis Khan, we

1021
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about the weird genetic stuff, right, which

1022
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: stuff you should do? Has a great episode on like

1023
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:00,400
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1024
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1025
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1028
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1029
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1031
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1037
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1040
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1041
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1042
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1043
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1044
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1045
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1046
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1049
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