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Speaker 1: news for everyone. We're just talking off the air, guys.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl last night pretty crazy at the end, but
Speaker 1: you had faith in Kansas City the whole time.
Speaker 2: You weren't sweating that at all. For Jean.
Speaker 4: Was time left on the clock. I felt my home
Speaker 4: was going to get it done. That's a great thing.
Speaker 4: When he has more than two minutes, I mean, it's.
Speaker 5: You can get ugly.
Speaker 2: But where were you?
Speaker 6: H I'm a little disappointed. On paper.
Speaker 7: On paper, I felt like the Niners were a better team.
Speaker 6: But in my.
Speaker 7: Gut and just seeing everything leading up to the Super Bowl, I.
Speaker 6: Was like, I gotta feeling the Chiefs are gonna pull
Speaker 6: this out. You know.
Speaker 7: I was able to experience the game on the first hand,
Speaker 7: so just seeing it in action, see how everything played out,
Speaker 7: it was.
Speaker 6: It was unreal.
Speaker 2: But I got a.
Speaker 7: Yes, I did, I had to, but I definitely have
Speaker 7: I gotta agree with Doe on the point. If Mahomes
Speaker 7: has the ball in his hands with time, if it's
Speaker 7: it's a great chance he's gonna make something shake. And
Speaker 7: that's exactly how it happened. So super dope game, and
Speaker 7: you know, congrat.
Speaker 5: The casey Okay.
Speaker 1: I want to know how the stadium felt like in
Speaker 1: that overtime because I was so tense in my living
Speaker 1: room watching it.
Speaker 7: Man, it was so much energy in the build and
Speaker 7: you could hear pin drop at times and then other
Speaker 7: times you couldn't even hear yourself think. So definitely a
Speaker 7: roller coaster of emotions in there, a lot of energy.
Speaker 7: The fans were engaged from start to family shut out
Speaker 7: the Usher for killing the halftime show. I thought that
Speaker 7: was amazing, But overall it was an amazing event, you know,
Speaker 7: you know, and those last moments at that final drive,
Speaker 7: it was like I said it was. It was insane
Speaker 7: and fans were going crazy and they went out in
Speaker 7: my home fashion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mano, he is so good. He is twenty eight
Speaker 1: years old. I just want to remind everyone of that.
Speaker 1: He said, we have a lot more to go. I
Speaker 1: think he may be right, so we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 2: That was sick. Though both defenses played so well too.
Speaker 2: That was always fun to see also, but.
Speaker 1: It was also a is the weekend in the NBA, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: I want to move on to some smoke we saw
Speaker 1: over the weekend with Warriors and sons.
Speaker 2: You know, the petty is my favorite.
Speaker 1: We saw Draymon continue his beef with Usef Nurkic. This
Speaker 1: was started by NRK last night. Though I gotta say
Speaker 1: he hits this hook shot.
Speaker 2: He gives the too.
Speaker 1: Small gesture, which old Petty right, considering he's got six
Speaker 1: inches on Draymon. Then if you go over A couple
Speaker 1: minutes later, Draymond returned the favor does the same thing.
Speaker 2: And later this was his quote.
Speaker 1: He said, you probably outweigh me by seventy pounds and
Speaker 1: you get put in the rim. You can't be doing
Speaker 1: You can't be a nothing defender and go do something
Speaker 1: like that. So that's what he said. Nurgis chimes in,
Speaker 1: he said, quote, it's sad that Draymond didn't learn anything. Remember,
Speaker 1: of course, it was an incident between the two of
Speaker 1: them that got Draymond suspended this most recent time. Nurkic added,
Speaker 1: he's going to hit someone again. Take back everything I said.
Speaker 1: He didn't learn anything to us. Draymond responded, quote, I
Speaker 1: thought I was great tonight. He tried to get in
Speaker 1: my head and it didn't work. He said he can
Speaker 1: keep rocking with that same horse he rode in on.
Speaker 1: He can ride his ass right out of here on
Speaker 1: that same horse. It's not working. And Steph Curry also
Speaker 1: getting in on the action, calling Nurkic quote idiotic. He
Speaker 1: also happened to hit that amazing three to win the
Speaker 1: game at the end. There, So, guys, there is a
Speaker 1: long back and forth, but you know it was a
Speaker 1: long back and forth between them. What do you guys
Speaker 1: think of playoff series between these teams? Would be like, bug,
Speaker 1: can you picture it?
Speaker 2: For us?
Speaker 7: It's a playoff series. I would definitely want to watch.
Speaker 7: I think this is exactly what we're kind of missing
Speaker 7: in basketball. You want to bring out that competitive fire,
Speaker 7: you want to see guys competing at a high level.
Speaker 7: Just throw a little animosity and so called beef in
Speaker 7: the mix, and I think you get the results you're
Speaker 7: looking for. I think it's great for the game. Who
Speaker 7: doesn't you know, who doesn't love a little rivalry between teams.
Speaker 7: And I can see this one growing between these two teams.
Speaker 7: Obviously it's a lot of history between the two with
Speaker 7: you know, the likes of Kevinder and being a former Warrior,
Speaker 7: but you know, it's one I would definitely want to watch.
Speaker 7: And uh, just to speak on the basketball part of it.
Speaker 7: One you can't, on one hand, want to be a
Speaker 7: part of the nonsense and part of the circus and
Speaker 7: you know, kind of nick pig and you know, act
Speaker 7: like you're one of those guys, and then once you
Speaker 7: kind of get out of play, then you run to
Speaker 7: the principal's office and.
Speaker 6: Well he's not the same and he'll never change.
Speaker 7: That's that's why, right, right, right, right right. I think
Speaker 7: that's goofy shit. And you know, Nerd carries itself like
Speaker 7: he's this big, tough, you know, big time defender, big man.
Speaker 7: Whatever you want to say, like it's not adding up. Brother,
Speaker 7: you don't either be the tough guy and take your
Speaker 7: licks when they come, or just be quiet and play basketball.
Speaker 7: Uh sounds like he barked up the wrong tree and
Speaker 7: you know he got the short end of the stick
Speaker 7: and leave it the result.
Speaker 6: I just had to put my two cents in on
Speaker 6: that part.
Speaker 4: You put a whole lot of sense from that. Make
Speaker 4: it all the sense though. I mean everything you said,
Speaker 4: I could rebuttal the same thing. I feel the same
Speaker 4: way about the game. If you can't go to the
Speaker 4: press and try to talk about his character versus you know,
Speaker 4: you're playing the game on the court, so you know,
Speaker 4: if you're gonna check ball, let's do it. And as
Speaker 4: far as the rivalry with the history, as you said again,
Speaker 4: you know Katie coming from the Warriors, not only Draymond
Speaker 4: and Nurgers. I think obviously you see Draymond and Katie,
Speaker 4: So that's interesting. That's gon'll be a fun matchup to
Speaker 4: watch those guys. I would love to probably go live
Speaker 4: in person actually see one of those rounds. My old
Speaker 4: coach Frank Vogel holding it down. But like I said,
Speaker 4: they got a great matchup. You know, a dynasty and
Speaker 4: you're trying to, you know, assemble the dynasty, which is
Speaker 4: the Sun. So I think I'll be I'll be, like
Speaker 4: I said, I want to be course out for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I actually really like Nurk and I
Speaker 1: think he's been really good for that Phoenix team. But
Speaker 1: you cannot you guys are one hundred percent right. Can't
Speaker 1: get into it. He started it. You can't start it
Speaker 1: and then complain that the other guy finishes it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm Draymond by the way, nobody wants him to be
Speaker 1: like a quiet, you know, like say nothing, do nothing
Speaker 1: guy on the court. That was not the goal of
Speaker 1: these suspensions. The goal is that he needs to stay
Speaker 1: on the court for the Warriors. Doing stuff like this,
Speaker 1: he will stay on the court. That is all anybody
Speaker 1: wants from him on that team. So I got no
Speaker 1: problem with anything that he did last night. I got
Speaker 1: to agree with Steph on that one. And the Warriors,
Speaker 1: by the way, guys, they have won four straight, six
Speaker 1: of their last seven overall. Now they just got back
Speaker 1: into the play and they just got back up into
Speaker 1: that tenth spot.
Speaker 2: But you look at the standings here, do you think
Speaker 2: the Warriors if they.
Speaker 1: Continue like this could actually get into that top six
Speaker 1: in the West.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 7: So one thing you're gonna have all always give them
Speaker 7: credit for this is the Golden State warris They do
Speaker 7: have a top five all time.
Speaker 6: Player in Steph Curry.
Speaker 7: You can never count these guys and all the tastes
Speaker 7: them getting hot, and this is a team that's more
Speaker 7: than capable of doing that. Once they are rolling. They're
Speaker 7: one of the toughest teams to beat in the league.
Speaker 7: It's just been a down year for them, and that's
Speaker 7: just the facts behind the matter. Like I said, you
Speaker 7: can never count them out. If they do get rolling,
Speaker 7: they're one of the most dangerous teams in the league.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no team one through four want to match up
Speaker 5: with the Warriors.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure they don't say they would, but
Speaker 4: you know, the shot they hit the other night against
Speaker 4: Phoenix is like, that's those type of players and make
Speaker 4: a break a playoffs series.
Speaker 5: So, you know, kudos to the Warriors right now. They're playing.
Speaker 4: Like I said, all the negativity they've had out of
Speaker 4: trade rumors to make the moves.
Speaker 5: They're still tall and you know, like I said, I
Speaker 5: want to see what they do in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's been hard for Clay these past
Speaker 1: few weeks and not playing at the end of games,
Speaker 1: and we saw him give a really emotional interview. But
Speaker 1: the move is working, right, It is working to have
Speaker 1: coming out on the floor when he is. Wiggins has
Speaker 1: been playing better, obviously, Steph is Steph. I mean, Dre
Speaker 1: has been incredible since he got back. If you look
Speaker 1: at the numbers of him, how the team has done
Speaker 1: since he's gotten back, and sort of his plus minus
Speaker 1: and everything like that, there's just no argument that that
Speaker 1: team needs him. All the people who are talking during
Speaker 1: his suspension of like, oh, they should trade him and
Speaker 1: they should get rid of him whatever, there is no
Speaker 1: way as long as Steph Curry is on that team,
Speaker 1: he is not going to want Draymond on the floor
Speaker 1: because he makes stuff so much better. He makes the
Speaker 1: whole thing move like you did though. I mean, he
Speaker 1: really just sort of is that presence on the floor
Speaker 1: that activates everybody else. So I don't know, I'm excited
Speaker 1: for them to see what happens. They said at the deadline,
Speaker 1: the reason they didn't make a move is that the
Speaker 1: best move they could have made is internally getting better
Speaker 1: that they felt like they had a lot left sort
Speaker 1: of room there to improve, and so it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: any point in trading their guys away low They could
Speaker 1: just improve internally, and I think they've done it, so
Speaker 1: I don't know, hats off to them. We'll have to
Speaker 1: see where they go. There's you know, other teams there
Speaker 1: in that bottom seven, eight, nine, ten in the standings
Speaker 1: that also want to move up, but some of them
Speaker 1: may move themselves. I want to look at the buy
Speaker 1: up pickups. Oh, go ahead, Joe, Oh.
Speaker 4: I wanted to say one thing about you saying that
Speaker 4: they can improve. I think, yeah, I think this is
Speaker 4: a matter of them buying in as a team.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 4: You know, if they knew un to stay understood, Okay,
Speaker 4: they probably watch a film the scene where they can
Speaker 4: get better at or if guys made certain sacrifices like okay,
Speaker 4: well we can get better if we do these things.
Speaker 4: And once I feel like those guys bought in or
Speaker 4: are buying in as we speak now. I think that's
Speaker 4: why they stood telling what they didn't make any moves.
Speaker 2: I get that. I can feel that for sure.
Speaker 1: And look, there was a point earlier in the season
Speaker 1: where it felt like you know, Steve didn't know exactly who.
Speaker 2: To put out on the floor at what time.
Speaker 1: And I assume as players, you can feel that you
Speaker 1: can sort of say, well, do we have a plan here?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 1: And I think Steve was just trying to frankly balance
Speaker 1: the clay issue, knowing how he's sensitive and he's such
Speaker 1: an important part of that locker room. But once he
Speaker 1: made a decision there, it seems like to your point though,
Speaker 1: that like they they're all buying into it now.
Speaker 5: And also just quickly again just how the same thing
Speaker 5: happened with.
Speaker 4: Ray Allen, Avery Bradley when we changed the lineup with that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that took us holl on the team a little bit.
Speaker 4: And understand how we you know, at first it was
Speaker 4: a big three and then once Avery came in, right,
Speaker 4: had got hurt. Avery came in on our defensive rate
Speaker 4: and it went through the roof. You know, we're the
Speaker 4: best defensive team and you know in some history. So
Speaker 4: that was a tough time for us as a team collectively,
Speaker 4: and you know it took some time to get through it.
Speaker 1: So sure, well, well they got better internally, or try
Speaker 1: to get better internally. We have some teams over the
Speaker 1: last week that tried to get better externally. Some buy
Speaker 1: out pickups over the weekend, Spencer Dinwiddie joining the Lakers,
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry joining the Sixers. They also said that the
Speaker 1: Sixers Darl Murray came out and talked and he said
Speaker 1: that Embeid hopefully quote unquote, we'll be back for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And he said, if we didn't hope that he would
Speaker 1: be back, we wouldn't have made the moves that we did.
Speaker 1: So you can tell our mindset about him coming back
Speaker 1: by the fact that we made trades, you know, that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. And if they signed Kyle, who do
Speaker 1: you think of the buyout guys, Spencer or Kyle will
Speaker 1: have a bigger impact. The Spencer thing is interesting because
Speaker 1: I mean he was like they just got rid of him.
Speaker 1: He got you know, he got traded to the Raptors,
Speaker 1: and the Raptors were like, great, we release you. Like
Speaker 1: it's not that he was some coveted guy on the
Speaker 1: trade market, but he seemed very coveted on the buyout market.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think I think Spencer, you know, has a
Speaker 4: bigger impact.
Speaker 5: His always going to play. I think he's gonna be
Speaker 5: bigger than Kyle.
Speaker 4: I believe when you talk about Kyle and Tyres MAXI,
Speaker 4: uh so he's I feel like he's going to be
Speaker 4: more of a mentor to Tyre's and give a lot
Speaker 4: of great spot minutes, run the show, command the locker
Speaker 4: room from a leadership standpoint. You know he's He's an
Speaker 4: old sixth class guy, one of my favorite guys I
Speaker 4: played against a long time. And uh like I said,
Speaker 4: he's gonna be a great He's gonna have a great
Speaker 4: impact in the locker room. But I think Spencer on
Speaker 4: the floor have more of impact. You know, with getting
Speaker 4: through the rest of the season. Give me Spriyan Brown minutes,
Speaker 4: be a lot more in the pick and roll, and
Speaker 4: I feel like you know him coming back home. Shout
Speaker 4: out to Mike g He's gonna be working with this guy,
Speaker 4: his strength strength conditioning coach.
Speaker 5: He's ready to go. I think he's real. He'll be recharged.
Speaker 4: He'll be in the pick and roll with a guy
Speaker 4: like Anthony Davis, which is the best pick and roll
Speaker 4: player he's ever been in the pick and roll with.
Speaker 4: You got a guy like d Low his old time
Speaker 4: friend played at Brooklyn, so they have that chemist already there.
Speaker 4: So I'm looking forward to Spenson having a big impact
Speaker 4: on the Lakers, and I think, uh, he'll get it done.
Speaker 2: But what do you think of Kyle at the Sixers.
Speaker 7: I think Rondo nailed it. These two guys they're brought
Speaker 7: in for, you know, two different roles, so to say
Speaker 7: we have a bigger impact. I think they're both going
Speaker 7: to impact their teams exactly the way they were brought
Speaker 7: in to do. Like like Rondo said, Kyle's more of
Speaker 7: a mentor. Obviously, Tyrese Maxley is coming off his first
Speaker 7: All Star. That's the guy I've been playing in the
Speaker 7: most minutes at that guard spot. Uh, Kyle to be
Speaker 7: brought in spot minutes to you know, keep things to flow,
Speaker 7: manage the game while the star gets his rest and
Speaker 7: you know he comes in and finishes out the game.
Speaker 7: And also just to be that mentor role. Like Dooe said,
Speaker 7: you know a lot of things to be new for
Speaker 7: as talented as Tyrese max he is, a lot of
Speaker 7: things will be new for him on this role. So
Speaker 7: what better got to have, you know, got him through
Speaker 7: these moments than you know, a guy like Kyle Larry.
Speaker 7: So I think that was a brilliant move on Philly's
Speaker 7: path and as far as the Lakers, obviously, Smith is
Speaker 7: brought in to come in and be a game changer.
Speaker 7: They signed gave Vincent earlier in the year, kind of
Speaker 7: expecting him to kind of feel that role. For him,
Speaker 7: things haven't worked out the way that he wanted it too.
Speaker 7: He's dealt with health matters and just not really being
Speaker 7: in this rhythm this season. So you know, Spence is
Speaker 7: now being brought in to kind of feel that void
Speaker 7: that they've been missing this year. He's a bigger guard,
Speaker 7: something they do need at the guard spot. More size.
Speaker 7: Spence is about six six. He's a playmaker, scoring type guard,
Speaker 7: something they also could use. So I can see Spence
Speaker 7: having a huge role with this team and starting minutes
Speaker 7: and off and bench minutes. So I think that he's
Speaker 7: I think he's a player that they can use in
Speaker 7: a lot of different ways and it's going to benefit
Speaker 7: them in a positive way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: I think that your point about him being big is
Speaker 1: really insightful. They're already a big team, and you need
Speaker 1: to be a big team to compete with Denver, right,
Speaker 1: So the idea of Spencer Bron ad out on the
Speaker 1: floor together. You just present in terms of playing a
Speaker 1: team like the Nuggets, you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: match them in that way. I have a question though,
Speaker 1: though you've been, you know, been on that team, on
Speaker 1: that bench, in that locker room with Lebron James. We
Speaker 1: saw what he did in the week leading up to
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, the hour glass, him putting on the
Speaker 1: Knicks towel, coming to Knicks colors when they played New York,
Speaker 1: tweeting the Statue of Liberty with the crown and all
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 2: He was clearly well, he.
Speaker 1: Was clearly putting pressure on the team to make a
Speaker 1: move at the trade deadline, and they didn't. And you know,
Speaker 1: Rob Polenka's sort of line was, you can't buy a
Speaker 1: house if it's not for sale. But Lebron in the
Speaker 1: past has been very unhappy with front offices if they
Speaker 1: didn't do what he wanted. And I don't know whether
Speaker 1: this was there really wasn't anything for sale. I don't
Speaker 1: know if this was the Lakers are like, what are
Speaker 1: you going to do? Leave?
Speaker 2: I mean, Lebron is very very.
Speaker 1: Settled here in Los Angeles, Like I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone thinks he would walk out the door even if
Speaker 1: he was unhappy. So I don't know if that factored
Speaker 1: into it, but I wasn't sure whether he would walk
Speaker 1: away from the trade deadline feeling like, man, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted something to happen, it didn't happen, and now
Speaker 1: I'm in a bad mood, or that he walks away
Speaker 1: after getting Spencer being like this isn't out forty You.
Speaker 4: Think I think he's okay with what he has. You know,
Speaker 4: it might have expressed his unhappiness or whatever. He was
Speaker 4: taking the time with his hour glass tweets and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, but you know that's Brian, and he puts
Speaker 4: pressure on his teammates at all time high and if
Speaker 4: you can't take it, you know, he kind of fizes
Speaker 4: those guys out.
Speaker 5: And you know he's a strong amount of man of person.
Speaker 4: As we all know, He's very calculated and everything he does,
Speaker 4: and he's well aware of what's happening within the organization.
Speaker 4: So I'm sure robbin him had a lot of conversations
Speaker 4: Rich as well, so they probably knew or was hoping
Speaker 4: this type of val will come about again. Brian not
Speaker 4: trying to carry the entire load playing over thirty five
Speaker 4: plus minutes a game. I think a guy like Spencer
Speaker 4: Brown a little bit more brilliant, breathing room to see
Speaker 4: on the bench and kind of keep his composure and
Speaker 4: gain his strength and energy back. So he's a dynamic player.
Speaker 4: You know, you put him in a pick and roll,
Speaker 4: he can go for forty any give a night. I
Speaker 4: can see the lineup finishing with Spencer bron Ady in
Speaker 4: Austin Reeves. So it's like that can be a tough
Speaker 4: lineup to switch or try to double team the way
Speaker 4: eighties passing out of the double this year, it's been
Speaker 4: at night and day since I was since I played
Speaker 4: with him. So uh again, he's he's exceling each game.
Speaker 4: I love the way he's making his reads. And again,
Speaker 4: if you swing swing the d lo Austin or Spencer,
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, what do you do? I think
Speaker 4: those are more of a threat guys, a threat on
Speaker 4: the floor, and I.
Speaker 5: Think Brown will be okay with the end of the day.
Speaker 5: It would happen.
Speaker 4: You know, he's going to press the button and he's
Speaker 4: gonna whatever cars he had, He's gonna play him and
Speaker 4: going to play him the best of his ability.
Speaker 1: So I'm interested in you saying that he's put pressure
Speaker 1: on his teammates too. I'm curious in the time you
Speaker 1: played with him, can you give us an example of
Speaker 1: when you saw that sort of lebron glare fall on someone.
Speaker 4: I mean, he just as he's you know, every teammate,
Speaker 4: I expect the same thing. You know, you expect greate
Speaker 4: this from your teammates. You know, you expect you know, professionalism, uh.
Speaker 4: And the guys are going to make mistakes.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And that's part of the game. But at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, if you're giving it, you're all. That's
Speaker 4: all you can ask for. But he might go to
Speaker 4: the media. He's definitely gonna go to you and practice
Speaker 4: and challenge you. I mean, it's just a matter of
Speaker 4: you know what greatness. You know, they hold you to expectations,
Speaker 4: you know. Same thing with Kevin, the same thing with Paul.
Speaker 4: Obviously they weren't as big of a star at Brownie,
Speaker 4: but at the same time, first Ballohalla Farmers, and they
Speaker 4: do hold you accountable.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: We look at beyond the Lakers, even you know, they
Speaker 1: got better. I think with Spencer, a bunch of other
Speaker 1: teams around the league. It wasn't like a fireworks trade deadline,
Speaker 1: but there were a bunch of teams that made some
Speaker 1: nice tweaks around the edges boogie.
Speaker 2: When you look at the teams between.
Speaker 1: The trade deadline on Thursday, the weekend buyout pickups, look
Speaker 1: at this kind of last week, which team do you
Speaker 1: think has sort of gotten the most betteriest, the bestest
Speaker 1: betterist most of the teams over over this last week,
Speaker 1: Like who kind of made a little bit of a
Speaker 1: leap here?
Speaker 6: There's been two teams. For me, it was the Knicks
Speaker 6: in Dallas.
Speaker 7: I think they I think they made moves to fit
Speaker 7: exactly what they're looking for to finish out this year
Speaker 7: and how they want to finish the year out as
Speaker 7: far as the next. They're dealing with, you know, some
Speaker 7: injuries right now, but the pieces they complemented their starts
Speaker 7: with are absolutely like perfect I can it's in my opinion,
Speaker 7: it's it's.
Speaker 6: Long term moves. They were very methodical.
Speaker 7: Obviously they weren't always the biggest and prettiest names at
Speaker 7: the trail deadline, but every move made sense and I
Speaker 7: think they feeled out their roster perfectly. I'm excited to
Speaker 7: see this team in the playoffs. I think this would
Speaker 7: be a huge jump for them this season. And uh,
Speaker 7: they're just making all the right moves, just moving forward
Speaker 7: and looking long term in my opinion. And as far
Speaker 7: as Dallas, I think filling out the roster with young
Speaker 7: pieces that kind of match up with lucas timeline was
Speaker 7: you know, very important.
Speaker 6: And on top of that, just adding talent. I think PJ.
Speaker 7: Washington is you know, very underrated player in this league
Speaker 7: at the time.
Speaker 6: And uh, he shot.
Speaker 7: He shoots the ball at a very very hot clip,
Speaker 7: something that that's needed around Luca with his playmaking ability
Speaker 7: and with how much attention he brings on a nightly basis.
Speaker 7: And you also get a veteran lob threat in Godford.
Speaker 7: Every every move they made just makes sense and once
Speaker 7: again it's something that they can look for towards the future.
Speaker 7: And uh, and not only that, but the president as well.
Speaker 7: So I think those two teams, you know, made the
Speaker 7: best moves.
Speaker 4: Bog I don't think. I don't think we've ever agreed
Speaker 4: as much for you. I mean, I would say the
Speaker 4: Knicks and mav as well, you know, you know, playing
Speaker 4: against Luca a couple of years ago, in the playoff series.
Speaker 4: I tough he is to stop and uh, he's been
Speaker 4: asking for a big, a backup big for the last
Speaker 4: three years, I believe. And with another dynamic roll up
Speaker 4: in preshow Rim PJ. Watch and he has a seven
Speaker 4: two wings man. He's a lot more I played than
Speaker 4: Grant Williams. So these guys are gonna be the easies
Speaker 4: shots they've ever had in basketball since they've been playing
Speaker 4: the game, you know. I know they played with Lamello,
Speaker 4: PJ played with La Mellow, but at the same time,
Speaker 4: he wasn't drawing double teams like Lucas and tripper teams, so.
Speaker 2: He wasn't on the courth haf time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like I said, there's levels to it.
Speaker 4: You know, he's you know, he's obviously v one of
Speaker 4: the MVP candidates this year.
Speaker 5: And with the dynamic role that he adam.
Speaker 4: To Gafford and being able to go back and forth
Speaker 4: with Lovely, it's gonna be fun to watch.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: They're they're already a fun team, but you have a
Speaker 4: guy like they come to the program as well as
Speaker 4: with PJ Washington exciting to see and along with the Knicks,
Speaker 4: you know, the Knicks have been rolling. I think they
Speaker 4: lost the last two, but you know, as of late,
Speaker 4: I think their last ten games have been really, really
Speaker 4: would really good.
Speaker 5: So the way.
Speaker 4: Bruns has been playing, with addition to Bognanovich Bergs, they're
Speaker 4: gonna play well. Like I said, I think Bob Bobo Boganovich,
Speaker 4: he was averaging twenty Detroit. He won't average that obviously
Speaker 4: the Knicks, but he's still at throwing floor. With Bronston
Speaker 4: being able to get in the paint to this round
Speaker 4: will be able to getting to paint kick out to
Speaker 4: a guy like that, He's obviously going.
Speaker 5: To stress the floor.
Speaker 4: And then, like I say, any given night he can
Speaker 4: give you twenty to thirty points a game. So both
Speaker 4: teams did a very good job, and those are my picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, Bugnanovitch is going to be a
Speaker 1: difference maker for them right at the beginning here because
Speaker 1: they've got so many other injuries. And then yes, I
Speaker 1: think he will move to the bench and be be
Speaker 1: strong for them. I got to stay with the MAVs.
Speaker 1: I was a little worried about how much they gave
Speaker 1: up for the guys they brought in. They've been mortgaging
Speaker 1: their future over and over again for a while now.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's all to keep Luca. It's all
Speaker 1: to keep Luca happy. But I do think that they
Speaker 1: have to be a little a little concerned about you know,
Speaker 1: when he does have this contract come up, they're going
Speaker 1: to have nothing in the cupboard. That being said, if
Speaker 1: you don't play well now, he won't even get to
Speaker 1: the point that his contract is going to be up.
Speaker 1: He's going to ask for a trade before that. So
Speaker 1: I understand why they made the moves they made. The
Speaker 1: guys are great for them. I totally agree that they
Speaker 1: are definitely going to make a difference. I mean, you guys,
Speaker 1: when you're with the Clippers, what was it like playing
Speaker 1: against Luca in that playoff series?
Speaker 4: If you look at the numbers, it was crazy. You know,
Speaker 4: he we threw everything at him. You know, we had
Speaker 4: the best defenders in the game on him, you know,
Speaker 4: at all times, as much as possible if we switched
Speaker 4: one through five. I mean, we thought we threw so
Speaker 4: many different looks at him, but he was able to
Speaker 4: dissect and still figure out a way to get his
Speaker 4: team ws and you know, make a very big impact
Speaker 4: on the game at a high level.
Speaker 2: But you're laughing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, uh, that's serious. Another six sit well with me.
Speaker 7: I'm just a firm believer when it comes when it
Speaker 7: comes to the game. With basketball, it's played on both ends,
Speaker 7: and the game can be effected on both ends.
Speaker 6: And when dealing with star players.
Speaker 7: Or guys that are just match up nightmares, it's not
Speaker 7: always about what defense you throw at him. It's also
Speaker 7: about making it and have to guard on the other
Speaker 7: end of the floor.
Speaker 8: So, I mean, obviously we talked about we talked about that,
Speaker 8: but we talked about that. What's wrong with the What
Speaker 8: I'm saying is you can hide those players you can target,
Speaker 8: and that's fine.
Speaker 6: We did what we did. We did what we did.
Speaker 6: We tried to match up defensively, didn't make them work.
Speaker 6: On the other end, we got our ass waxed. So
Speaker 6: obviously it didn't work. Well.
Speaker 5: What I saying, you can try to more than one perspective. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but again, people have been targeting stuff for years.
Speaker 6: This stuff.
Speaker 5: They have a dynasty.
Speaker 6: We're not talking about stuff.
Speaker 5: Okay, I understand, but I'm talking about that targeting don't
Speaker 5: always work.
Speaker 7: Yeah, people targeted stuff, but there's so many other weapons
Speaker 7: around stuff too.
Speaker 6: That's why it worked.
Speaker 5: But you still got damn the two non shooters out there.
Speaker 5: What do you mean like you said that, you said that.
Speaker 6: Who are the other two non shooters?
Speaker 5: Said that? You and Ramon? I said you and Draymond.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 6: We'll argue later on, we'll get back the play.
Speaker 7: As far as just how the game is played, man,
Speaker 7: I think you have to make these these match these
Speaker 7: matchup nightmares work on the other end of the floor.
Speaker 7: And I feel like that's something that's kind of been
Speaker 7: swayed away from when it comes to the game as
Speaker 7: of lately, making making a guy work on both ends
Speaker 7: of the floor. When when your entire night is just
Speaker 7: where you're only playing one end and it's just offense offense, office,
Speaker 7: you have a greater chance of dominating the game. If
Speaker 7: I'm being pushed and and and and work on the
Speaker 7: other end of the floor, I can't get the same
Speaker 7: amount of effort on the office event. And that's just
Speaker 7: my way of thinking about the game. But uh yeah,
Speaker 7: like I said, me and dor argue about those points later.
Speaker 1: Well, Luk, I didn't say the other night that Kyrie
Speaker 1: coming back from injury, you know, just put took so
Speaker 1: much weight off of him. That he'd been so tired
Speaker 1: at the end of these games. So to your point book,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to make them work a little bit.
Speaker 1: But we'll see, it's the NBA in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: No one has to work that hard because the defense
Speaker 1: can't do it right.
Speaker 7: We were agreeing on points and then he just can't
Speaker 7: help himself.
Speaker 4: Man, he's just we were doing, we were doing.
Speaker 5: We had the same conversation off of you know, I
Speaker 5: mean off cameras home. I don't know how we got
Speaker 5: when the show started. I don't know how we got
Speaker 5: to say.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can get you guys on
Speaker 1: or off the same page with this next segment. I
Speaker 1: think you're going to disagree a little bit. We'll find out.
Speaker 1: You know, All Star Game is coming up. That brings
Speaker 1: up a lot of thought about, you know, who is
Speaker 1: a star, how our guys rated?
Speaker 2: And I want to like.
Speaker 1: Play a little game here looking at some of the
Speaker 1: really high level talents in the league and are they
Speaker 1: being overlooked, are they underrated, are they overrated or are
Speaker 1: they properly rated? Or as I like to say, are
Speaker 1: they rated like underrated, overrated or rated? It's like nonchalant
Speaker 1: can you just be chalant or non plussed?
Speaker 2: Can you just be plussed?
Speaker 1: These are right there anyway, I don't appreciates my grammar humor. Okay,
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell, let's talk about him. Overrated, underrated, properly rated.
Speaker 2: What do you got, boogie?
Speaker 6: Underrated?
Speaker 7: This guy has been a winner since he's come into
Speaker 7: the league. I don't think he's ever missed the playoffs
Speaker 7: a year of his career. He's been a talent since
Speaker 7: he's walked in. He changed the Utah organization around. He
Speaker 7: actually made them exciting and people wanted to watch Utah basketball.
Speaker 7: I don't think that happened since Stockton alone. He's changed
Speaker 7: his entire Cleveland organization, which we never thought would happened
Speaker 7: outside of Lebron James. He's managed to find a way
Speaker 7: to do that. I believe he's averaging about twenty eight
Speaker 7: six and six this season. I mean, how this guy
Speaker 7: isn't in an MVP conversation or one of the main
Speaker 7: guys being said in the conversation blows my mind. But
Speaker 7: you know, it's a political league, the best way of
Speaker 7: putting that. But I mean, he's having an incredible year.
Speaker 7: He's he has the Cavaliers as an actual threat this
Speaker 7: season on their top three, top four in the East.
Speaker 7: He's doing everything he's supposed to do as as a
Speaker 7: franchise guy and as a star in this league. Why
Speaker 7: his seine isn't brighter than the other stars in the league,
Speaker 7: I don't really know.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's the market.
Speaker 7: I'm not really sure, but he's definitely an underrated guy
Speaker 7: in this league. He deserves way more credit than he gets.
Speaker 7: And he's, like I said, he's been a star since
Speaker 7: he's stepped foot in this league and he's continuing to
Speaker 7: be that.
Speaker 5: Agree, agreed, We're back on. He'll be back on. The
Speaker 5: man is averaging twenty nine, six and six, like I said,
Speaker 5: six three.
Speaker 4: Small market, like I said, his right hand guy d Garland,
Speaker 4: has been going.
Speaker 5: He's been out, he's been injured.
Speaker 2: Okay, we can't believe the market.
Speaker 1: Okay, there has been a big star in Cleveland that
Speaker 1: got plenty of attention twice now, yeah, but.
Speaker 5: The last that's he is the lead though, Rachel. It's
Speaker 5: a difference. I mean, he is the NBA.
Speaker 2: I'm just seeing. Cleveland's not a small market. It's a
Speaker 2: big city.
Speaker 4: It's a very small market. With all due respect, I've
Speaker 4: played Rachel.
Speaker 2: I'm aware amazing.
Speaker 4: Fan base, you know, but it's still considered in our
Speaker 4: game a small market, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: he needs house. He's always played for small markets, and
Speaker 4: I think that may be the only reason, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, he scored seventy last year. Nobody, you know,
Speaker 4: it's not like a big deal. He's been doing a
Speaker 4: consistent high level for a very long time. And not
Speaker 4: go back to how he's came into the year Cleveland
Speaker 4: and bought into the system fifth in very well, and
Speaker 4: like I said, playing for JB one of my favorite coaches.
Speaker 4: He's buying right in. And like I said, I hope
Speaker 4: he stays. But at the end of the day, I mean,
Speaker 4: I would hope you go to New York and get
Speaker 4: his respect that he needs.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I wanted to see him in
Speaker 1: New York in the first place. I mean, I'm glad
Speaker 1: it's worked out in Cleveland, but how amazing would that
Speaker 1: have been in New York? And with Jalen Brunson I'm
Speaker 1: not saying instead, but with Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know how that might work out.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to where he is now, like I said,
Speaker 4: this summer will get there and see what it would
Speaker 4: possibly could be. But right now, I'm happy he's in Cleveland,
Speaker 4: working with my one of my favorite point guards, Darius Garland,
Speaker 4: all the young guys in Cleveland. I think he's doing
Speaker 4: a great job coming in, being a leader, veteran in
Speaker 4: the locker room, and like I said, keeping everyone points.
Speaker 5: I think they're number two, Is that right, Richard? The
Speaker 5: number two?
Speaker 4: And e Yeah, yes, I mean, and I said, nobody
Speaker 4: talks about Cleveland, so I think it just goes with
Speaker 4: their entire staff, like it goes with JB being underrated,
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I think their whole organization is underrated.
Speaker 4: Done a hell of a job consistently.
Speaker 1: I mean JB's got to be one of the leaders
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse for Coach of the Year, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I would certainly put him there, And he's
Speaker 1: just done great work their overall. He's a great guy,
Speaker 1: he's a great coach. The Cavs overall, they have won.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I get this right. Seventeen
Speaker 1: of their last eighteen games, seventeen of their last eighteen games.
Speaker 5: They have been talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they get the number one defense in the league
Speaker 1: over that stretch. And yes, they have moved into the
Speaker 1: number two spot. I mean, we're sitting here talking about
Speaker 1: Milwaukee and Philly and what's going on with the Knicks,
Speaker 1: but Cleveland is neck right in there. So you know,
Speaker 1: if they hold on to that, that will be huge
Speaker 1: going into the playoffs in terms of the matchups they're
Speaker 1: going to get. I just think, you know, they won't
Speaker 1: have to face Boston until the end if they get
Speaker 1: that far. So I just think that that is a
Speaker 1: player and a team to watch. And I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to don have been getting some shine at the All
Speaker 1: Star Game because I think he will. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about Trey Young. Guys overrated, underrated, or rated.
Speaker 7: I also think Trey Young is an ready I feel
Speaker 7: for this brother. I feel like we've had similar type
Speaker 7: situations when it comes to just, you know, being in
Speaker 7: a situation being a franchise cornerstone and not getting the
Speaker 7: necessary pieces and attention that you need to not only
Speaker 7: make your individual talent, you know, shine, but put you
Speaker 7: in the situations to where you can win. And the
Speaker 7: reason I feel for it because at the end of
Speaker 7: the day, when it's all said and done, the legacy
Speaker 7: that's going to be tarnished, a stray young and details
Speaker 7: of what goes on behind to never get looked at.
Speaker 6: It's gone just always be the overall picture.
Speaker 7: And that's Trayon put up numbers, but he couldn't win,
Speaker 7: and that's just not how it works and a team
Speaker 7: oriented setting. And I just want this guy to, you know,
Speaker 7: either get some real talent put around him to where
Speaker 7: he can be the star that he's meant to be.
Speaker 6: But my dream scenario, this.
Speaker 7: Guy could find his way to San Antonio to be
Speaker 7: with when I think those two guys together would be unreal.
Speaker 7: I think they're a duo that we probably won't see
Speaker 7: a duo close to Shaq and Kobe, but I think
Speaker 7: those guys could be that.
Speaker 6: And I think he's that talented.
Speaker 7: I think I mean twenty eight and ten to average
Speaker 7: ten assists in the NBA, No.
Speaker 4: No, eleven, eleven, don't respect it's eleven.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, cents.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 7: But to be able to average double digit assists in
Speaker 7: the league is I mean done can speak on it.
Speaker 7: That's that's really really hard to do, and this guy
Speaker 7: just doesn't. And it's easy to you know, overlook him.
Speaker 7: Like I said, he's in a losing situation, but his talent.
Speaker 7: You can't overlook the talent no matter and now you
Speaker 7: try to cover it up, no matter how you try
Speaker 7: to say. It's just that you can't deny attack, right right,
Speaker 7: I feel for this. He's definitely underrated.
Speaker 4: Definitely definitely underrated. You know, to go about anything you
Speaker 4: said about this cis I mean it was hardest hell.
Speaker 4: The average leven assists and I couldn't damn their average
Speaker 4: twenty eight points. I mean, you had both of those
Speaker 4: numbers together on.
Speaker 5: Top of him. Like I said, night and the night out.
Speaker 4: Every team is trying to figure out how to stop
Speaker 4: trade young and you're doing this at six to one,
Speaker 4: only five years in the league. I mean, he's already
Speaker 4: figured the game out, Like I said, a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't understand how already is a massive amount of
Speaker 4: the game at that level, at the point guard position.
Speaker 4: Being that only six to one, you know, every night
Speaker 4: he's the smallest guy on the floor, still able.
Speaker 5: To dominate, manipulate the game.
Speaker 4: That's why they changed the game with the free throw rule,
Speaker 4: because he had manipulated a game within three years of
Speaker 4: playing in the NBA. I mean, how many guys can
Speaker 4: go in and change the game completely like that and
Speaker 4: give you know, the game is different. You know, he
Speaker 4: has the ball in his hands a lot. He is
Speaker 4: the only pretty much primary playmaker and you're going to
Speaker 4: have numbers, but still to do it at a consistent
Speaker 4: level night and night out basis, and you know, take
Speaker 4: and make the biggest shots in the game, usually in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. And that's what he does every night.
Speaker 4: And he's learning how to become a better teammate. You know,
Speaker 4: I played with him to try to knock him about
Speaker 4: being a but he's young.
Speaker 5: You know, he's learning.
Speaker 4: He had had many vets in to come in and
Speaker 4: teach him how to be you know, that type of player.
Speaker 4: Also having that franchise on your back. You know, I
Speaker 4: can't speak from that perspective, but being able to come
Speaker 4: in at you know, twenty two years old, have a
Speaker 4: whole franchise in your back and still want him to
Speaker 4: do so many other things they produced on the court.
Speaker 4: You're asking a lot for a young person that you know,
Speaker 4: it's just now coming into something new. So he's definitely underrated.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite players I've ever played with. He's unstoppable,
Speaker 4: and again, he's so young now. I won't know about
Speaker 4: him going to San Antonio. I think that will obviously
Speaker 4: be great in the future, but I want him to
Speaker 4: win now, you know, I want him to get into
Speaker 4: respect now. But you never know how it plays out.
Speaker 4: He's super young. Yeah, so many years to play this game.
Speaker 4: And wherever he ends up or whoever comes to Atlanta,
Speaker 4: you know, wish him the best.
Speaker 1: Look if he went to San Antonio, I don't think
Speaker 1: it would be in the future. I think they would
Speaker 1: be on a winning path right away. Have you seen
Speaker 1: Wenby's numbers. I mean he is like a legit defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year numbers kind of guy. Obviously they're
Speaker 1: not winning that would affect an ords actually that he gets.
Speaker 1: But he has better numbers right now than Rudy Gobaert
Speaker 1: did in his MVP season. I mean that's defensively what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Obviously can do things offensively we've never
Speaker 1: seen before. Is going to have more seasoning if Trey
Speaker 1: Young does end up there. By the time that Young
Speaker 1: does end up there and then you stick Trey Young
Speaker 1: on that team, I mean I can't even imagine. And
Speaker 1: the Spurs have a ton of picks. They could definitely
Speaker 1: make an offer. I don't know if Atlanta would trade him,
Speaker 1: but they would make an offer. And I know that Trey,
Speaker 1: you know, he's been a good soldier there. He didn't
Speaker 1: ask for a trade at this deadline when people thought
Speaker 1: he might. So I want to emphasize that he has
Speaker 1: been as you said, he's been a better teammate. No
Speaker 1: one's going to call him Drew Holliday ever, but his
Speaker 1: defense has gotten better. I mean, he's certainly like making
Speaker 1: more of an effort now on defense as well. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen this summer if
Speaker 1: they have the rest of the season goes poorly, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I completely agree with you, Boog that
Speaker 1: he is being influenced and his reputation is being influenced
Speaker 1: by the team he plays for.
Speaker 2: He's getting left off all NBA teams. You know, the.
Speaker 1: Fans are voting him higher and All Star votes than
Speaker 1: anybody else around the league. And I think that disrespect
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with this idea. He's an
Speaker 1: empty numbers guy. He's not gonna be any empty numbers
Speaker 1: guy if you put him in the right situation.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I think that is a huge thing to watch as
Speaker 1: this next year plays out. When you talk about stars
Speaker 1: that could move around, He's not a name we talk
Speaker 1: about a ton But you know, I know Hawks fans
Speaker 1: are gonna be like, don't trade him off our team.
Speaker 2: But you got to talk about it because it is possible.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I want to hit you guys with another one that
Speaker 1: you both know well. Paul George underrated, overrated, properly rated.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go underrated with PG as well.
Speaker 7: He's one of my favorite players in the NBA, one
Speaker 7: of the most talented guys I've ever seen at six nine, sixteen,
Speaker 7: the ball heading ability, to shot creation, the creativity off
Speaker 7: the dribble, the shooting ability. I mean, when you think
Speaker 7: about the prototypical wing, you think about a Paul George,
Speaker 7: the size, the link, just every all the intelligibles that
Speaker 7: come with him and just and then you add the
Speaker 7: talent to that. I would say he's one of the
Speaker 7: most talented three men ever played the game. I put
Speaker 7: him in the likes of the Tracy mcgrady's and things
Speaker 7: of that nature.
Speaker 2: Zero growing up on.
Speaker 7: Any given day, I could say he is more talented
Speaker 7: than Tracy McGrady.
Speaker 6: Obviously you can argue that point, but I think a
Speaker 6: point could.
Speaker 2: Be made that point.
Speaker 7: The way he shoots threw out I mean, Paul jew
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't understand the hate that comes with
Speaker 7: this guy. He's an incredible teammate, super time. He always
Speaker 7: shows up when it's time to show up. Obviously, guys
Speaker 7: have bad games, that's a part of this game. Like
Speaker 7: why his bad games get highlighted more than his good
Speaker 7: games will never make sense. But this is one of
Speaker 7: the most talented guys that ever lays up his sneakers,
Speaker 7: and he's definitely underrated, just in the fact that he
Speaker 7: doesn't get the proper love and credit that he deserves.
Speaker 7: He's been a winner since he stepped foot in the league.
Speaker 7: He was challenging Lebrons as a young twenty two year old, Like, like,
Speaker 7: let's serious here, Like this is one of the most
Speaker 7: talent that they ever put on sneakers, and I just
Speaker 7: I think he deserves way more credit than he gets.
Speaker 4: I think three for three because underrated, underrated, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: would say so. Like I said, I loved enjoy playing
Speaker 4: with PG at the time I was there, you know,
Speaker 4: watching work, his professionalism, how he is as a teammate.
Speaker 5: You know, he's underrated for sure.
Speaker 4: I will agree with because I mean I think he
Speaker 4: you know what, I all do respect him to Trace McGrady.
Speaker 4: The game has changed the Mrider, but the way PG
Speaker 4: shoots to three out the dribble. I mean, at six ' nine,
Speaker 4: you can't really do much about it. You know, he's
Speaker 4: kind of a bigger Kyrie than me. You know, he
Speaker 4: can finish, super athletic. Like I said, he pats the
Speaker 4: ball at ease, and he's like he gets to a
Speaker 4: spot and goes like I said, and also not on
Speaker 4: the office.
Speaker 5: Avan when he goes on the defense event as well.
Speaker 4: And I think he'll get his respect. I do believe
Speaker 4: the Clippers possibly can win the NBA Championship this year.
Speaker 4: And I think once he does that, people start to understand, Okay,
Speaker 4: look at his career, like, wow, he was doing this Indiana,
Speaker 4: he did just do it this and the Clippers and
Speaker 4: like I said, well when he was with the Clippers
Speaker 4: were kui. They never really had any healthy years together.
Speaker 4: So I think they can stay healthy and put it together.
Speaker 5: This year.
Speaker 4: He'll he'll start to get the respect that he deserves,
Speaker 4: and I look forward to it.
Speaker 5: He's a great player, great teammate.
Speaker 1: It's just I go to a lot of Clippers games
Speaker 1: because I live here in LA. I'm going tonight. He's
Speaker 1: so reliable for them this season. I mean, he has
Speaker 1: been able to win. He's in games. Obviously there's been
Speaker 1: a few he's missed because of health. But when he's
Speaker 1: been in games, he just whether Kawai is doing amazing,
Speaker 1: whether Kawi is having a quieter game. PG has sort
Speaker 1: of been there with those threes. He's kept them in
Speaker 1: games and sort of THINKWHI comes and takes over.
Speaker 2: I just it's been very cool. Kawhi is another one.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys about overrated, underrated, properly rated,
Speaker 1: two time finals MVP.
Speaker 2: What do y'all think?
Speaker 7: I think this is another guy that's underrated. I think
Speaker 7: his one championship in Toronto trump's a lot of guys
Speaker 7: throughout the history of this game to.
Speaker 2: Be able to Spurs Springs too.
Speaker 7: You know, no, that's fine, but I'm more impressed with
Speaker 7: the fashion of how it was done. To be able
Speaker 7: to go in there for one season win a franchise
Speaker 7: their first championship ever, like to basically take over an
Speaker 7: entire country like it was, and I was on the
Speaker 7: other end of that. So I really felt his presence
Speaker 7: in that in that moment. To be able to do
Speaker 7: it in the fashion that he did it, I don't
Speaker 7: I don't think we'll ever really see that in the
Speaker 7: game again. Obviously, he's had this saus in San Antonio
Speaker 7: and it wasn't really credited because he played with so
Speaker 7: much talent. He was under the umbrother of Popovich, Tim Duncan,
Speaker 7: all those legends that came through there, So obviously he
Speaker 7: didn't get as much credit with that group. But that
Speaker 7: one championship in Toronto, like, I think that just put
Speaker 7: him on the pedestal of superstar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you played Monno against him in the finals. You
Speaker 1: had that great finals game, Buggie, and he just kept coming.
Speaker 2: Back with answers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was that boy in that series and he
Speaker 7: gained my respect in that series just to match up
Speaker 7: with all and obviously a lot of things win against
Speaker 7: us in that series as far as health, and if
Speaker 7: we were healthy, I think it would have been a
Speaker 7: different situation.
Speaker 6: But I can only.
Speaker 7: Speak on the facts and how it played out and
Speaker 7: what he did to contribute to winning that championship. You
Speaker 7: got to give him all the credit in the world.
Speaker 7: That's that's a bad boy. So I definitely think he's underrated.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, he's he's underrated. He's underrated.
Speaker 4: And I only say this because I think over the
Speaker 4: last couple of years, I think the media has overshadowed
Speaker 4: him not playing as much and it's trying to kind
Speaker 4: of tarnish his reputation of how great a player he is.
Speaker 4: You know, he doesn't speak much or make a big
Speaker 4: scene about anything. He just goes out and get his
Speaker 4: job done. So I think that plays a big role
Speaker 4: in like I said, how people perceive him now and
Speaker 4: not putting in respect on his name.
Speaker 5: Because of the latest the last couple of years. Oh
Speaker 5: he's the choir.
Speaker 4: They put new rules in where guys can't rest. So
Speaker 4: I think that has overshadowed again what he's done in
Speaker 4: his career with the championship in Toronto and then the
Speaker 4: two with San Antonio.
Speaker 5: So but at the end of the.
Speaker 4: Day, like I said, I'm looking forward to him getting
Speaker 4: to the finals and then he get it, he gets
Speaker 4: his fourth you know. Now he's uh, he's still young,
Speaker 4: you know, pg he's still young, they had a ways
Speaker 4: to go, and like I said, with that experience as
Speaker 4: far as the coaching staff over there, to lose one
Speaker 4: a chip already. So it's like I'm willing to bet
Speaker 4: with those guys and having that.
Speaker 5: That underdog mindset, you know, they don't.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they don't mind at all being underrated, both
Speaker 4: of those guys, and with that chip on your shoulder
Speaker 4: that you know, that proving them wrong mentality going to
Speaker 4: the playoffs they're looking forward to. People continue to not
Speaker 4: believe in them or not even speak on them. So
Speaker 4: and I'm sure when people start to jump on a
Speaker 4: bad wag, I'm sure they don't want.
Speaker 6: Them, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's like they have that mindset being in that
Speaker 4: locker room understanding that I wouldn't want to match up
Speaker 4: with him in the playoffs this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, we made a big deal when
Speaker 1: Lebron won his his ring in a third place right
Speaker 1: two in Miami, one in Cleveland, and then the fourth
Speaker 1: one with La Kawhi would be doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: right And again we're saying if if we don't know
Speaker 1: if they're going to get to the finals, were don't
Speaker 1: know if they're gonna win the finals, but if they do,
Speaker 1: I would be willing to put money on the fact
Speaker 1: that Kawhi would be the MVP. So if any of
Speaker 1: that happens, the idea that he would be finals MVP
Speaker 1: in three different cities and in different NBA finals is bonkers.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think he may be properly rated just because I
Speaker 1: do think knows how good he is or PG one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. I'm just saying that he is a chance,
Speaker 1: with this team playing so well, to do something so exceptional,
Speaker 1: And I do think when his career is all over,
Speaker 1: Kawhi We're going to talk about him even better than
Speaker 1: we do now. But I do think if you talk
Speaker 1: to players around the league, everyone knows how good Kawhi
Speaker 1: Leonard is and the fact that he's been healthy this year.
Speaker 1: I think the media has sort of circled back around
Speaker 1: on him as well. We've talked about him not being
Speaker 1: really mentioned in the MVP vote. That has more to
Speaker 1: do with the number of other stars on his teams,
Speaker 1: and go back and forth on whether that should matter
Speaker 1: or not. But that's more why as opposed to not
Speaker 1: respecting him. I don't know, He's incredible I love watching him.
Speaker 1: He's incredible, and I have to throw in the one
Speaker 1: that I told our producers is my underrated Jamal Murray
Speaker 1: is underrated, gentleman.
Speaker 2: He's underrated.
Speaker 1: And I know, I know, I'm the standard bearer for
Speaker 1: the Nuggets this year among all of our different group
Speaker 1: podcasts and shows and stuff, but I'm sorry. They are
Speaker 1: the defending champions and Jamal Murray is one of the reasons.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it.
Speaker 1: Jokic is incredible, but he does not win without Jamal Murray.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: And the fact that because Jokic is so incredible, we
Speaker 1: kind of just kind of throw jam all in.
Speaker 2: I'm not wrong here, right, I mean, he's.
Speaker 5: No, not at all. You're definitely not wrong.
Speaker 4: And I had the privilege of, you know, kind of
Speaker 4: going to the other night against the Lakers Kobe Knight,
Speaker 4: and he made tough shot after tough shot after tough shot.
Speaker 5: At the point guard position. Again, he's another young point
Speaker 5: guard that we don't talk about to put enough respect on.
Speaker 4: How many young point guards I wont Amba Championship the
Speaker 4: last five years, you know what young pun gress have
Speaker 4: can't name many, you know, so if any, he might
Speaker 4: be the only one, but the way he plays the
Speaker 4: game night and night out.
Speaker 5: You know, he has been healthy.
Speaker 4: But I think when he came on the scene was
Speaker 4: win the Bubble when we went to when he went
Speaker 4: into the Bubble and went crazy and people people were like, Oh,
Speaker 4: it's just you know, it's just a bubble.
Speaker 5: He can't do that.
Speaker 4: Like He's been consistent every since and he's a big,
Speaker 4: big piece of why they want.
Speaker 5: You know, he can arguely if he didn't play with.
Speaker 4: A guy like Jokots putting up a triple double every night,
Speaker 4: he can easily argue be the MVP. So having a
Speaker 4: guy like that on your team, you know, probably go
Speaker 4: down one of the greatest bigs of all time, can
Speaker 4: overshadow him and not put the respect on him as
Speaker 4: a player. But I know, like I said personally in
Speaker 4: the Bubble, he hit one of the tough shots in
Speaker 4: my life over me, and he did it on a
Speaker 4: nightly basis. Like I said, he's just a tough shot maker.
Speaker 4: He's fun to watch play, he's a great teammate. I'm
Speaker 4: sure he's a great leader. I've heard from him from
Speaker 4: amongst other players, and you know, you can't get to
Speaker 4: that level if you don't work.
Speaker 5: So you know, kudos to him.
Speaker 4: He's a great player and he doesn't mind like I'm
Speaker 4: sure he doesn't mind at all being underrated, but he's getting
Speaker 4: the expected to deserves. Amongst his fears, the guys that
Speaker 4: played against him every night.
Speaker 2: Well, but you played with him, you were on the
Speaker 2: team with him.
Speaker 1: Is he as good as a work ethic guy and
Speaker 1: leadership as Joe saying?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, he's everything he said.
Speaker 7: But I'm gonna have to be the guy that goes
Speaker 7: against the grain with this one and say that he's
Speaker 7: properly rated.
Speaker 6: The reason I said it is actually one of the
Speaker 6: reasons Doo just said.
Speaker 7: It's the fact that he is under a shadow. It's
Speaker 7: the fact that he is playing with a big that
Speaker 7: is one of the greatest ever. You know, lays him up,
Speaker 7: and I don't think he's able to display his talent
Speaker 7: the way he potentially could. I think he's the top
Speaker 7: five PG if the ball is in his hands on
Speaker 7: a normal basis, like some of he getting the opportunity
Speaker 7: to these other guards getting the league, the Donovan Mitchell's,
Speaker 7: the Jalen Brunt. I think you didn't see him and
Speaker 7: it's like, man, this guy is a top five PG,
Speaker 7: but the fact that he does have to play on
Speaker 7: the shadow of Jokic, the fact that he's not in
Speaker 7: a traditional point guard setting to where the ball is
Speaker 7: being brought up by Jokic more so than it is Jamal,
Speaker 7: So it kind of hinders in my opinion, it kind
Speaker 7: of hinders his talent. But obviously it's a perfect fit
Speaker 7: in how they play off with one another, but just
Speaker 7: him being under that shadow of Yokic. And I hate
Speaker 7: saying this because this is my UK brother. I got
Speaker 7: a number love and.
Speaker 5: I can't be it sounds like you're saying that he's underrated.
Speaker 7: That's what it sounds in a way I am, and
Speaker 7: I'm this is based off production with me, the way
Speaker 7: he produces with this team.
Speaker 5: Still, I say he's properly rated. He's very fishy. He's
Speaker 5: like twenty seven seven, twenty six and six.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You're saying that he is playing with Yokich, so you
Speaker 1: kind of have to judge him on that as opposed
Speaker 1: to what he could be.
Speaker 2: I get that. I still think he's underrated.
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how important he is to
Speaker 1: that team. And I think if they do go on
Speaker 1: and win again, he will be another huge part of it.
Speaker 2: But we can we can see, we can see how
Speaker 2: it plays out.
Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about All Star. I mentioned it coming up at the
Speaker 1: end of this week. You guys have both been named
Speaker 1: All Star four times each. A lot of heavy hitters
Speaker 1: on this podcast today. I just want to know what
Speaker 1: the feeling was like the first time, the first time
Speaker 1: you heard that you were an All Star.
Speaker 2: Where were you we watching it on TV? What did
Speaker 2: you think? How did you feel? I don't know what
Speaker 2: about you, bug?
Speaker 7: My first one came. I was a replacement. I was
Speaker 7: actually a replacement for you know, being Kobe Bryant. It
Speaker 7: was a year tours Achilles. So you know, it sucks
Speaker 7: that it happened in that fashion. You know, you don't
Speaker 7: want to wish injury or anything like that on anybody,
Speaker 7: but that's just kind of how this game goes.
Speaker 6: So I was.
Speaker 7: Able to get in as a replacement, and I believe
Speaker 7: I was actually in the process of planning a vacation. Usually,
Speaker 7: you know, around the time we get our a little break,
Speaker 7: you know, the All Stars go do their thing for
Speaker 7: the weekend and the rest of the league, they kind of,
Speaker 7: you know, vacation and do their thing. So I was
Speaker 7: in the process of doing that and I got the
Speaker 7: call that I'll be a replacement. So obviously I was
Speaker 7: super excited. It was a goal of Mina to become
Speaker 7: an All Star in the league. And you know, regardless
Speaker 7: of how it comes or how it presented to you,
Speaker 7: it's still gonna be an All Storr at the end
Speaker 7: of the day. So I was super excited and I
Speaker 7: was honored, and I was happy to be able to achieve,
Speaker 7: you know, a goal.
Speaker 4: For me, it was, you know, a humbling experience. You know,
Speaker 4: I think the first year, I think I wanted to
Speaker 4: be one. I thought I was an All Star, and
Speaker 4: I feel like I got snub and that's what they say,
Speaker 4: that always happened. So for me, just motivated me to
Speaker 4: come back harder and work even more, not necessarily work
Speaker 4: on the focus on individual stats. And I figured, if
Speaker 4: we win as a team, you know, me having already
Speaker 4: three Hall of Famers on my team, if we just won,
Speaker 4: I feel like I was able to make it. And
Speaker 4: I was fortunate I did make it early in my career,
Speaker 4: and it was a great experience. Like I said, my
Speaker 4: first All Stars, I was with my big homies and
Speaker 4: they had all made it, and it was just kind
Speaker 4: of showed me the ropes.
Speaker 5: I didn't like. As many as many appearances that we
Speaker 5: had to do, I didn't. I was it was not
Speaker 5: a break and I damn had to spend my old check.
Speaker 4: Because I had to get my family to uh to
Speaker 4: the fight because it was bad weather. So yeah, so,
Speaker 4: but it was a great experience overall, and like I said,
Speaker 4: to to that in me et to try to do
Speaker 4: better and continue to make those type of accomplishments on
Speaker 4: in my career.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean the fact that you guys, you know,
Speaker 1: we're just talking about Kawhi and not getting the MVP
Speaker 1: love because of the teammates he played with. That was
Speaker 1: always a question with you guys in Boston of sort
Speaker 1: of you know, was someone going to be the odd
Speaker 1: man out because of the all the talent, But you
Speaker 1: guys were so good that no, bring bring three, Like
Speaker 1: bring three from that team. You know, that's fine, that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And I think we're seeing that now
Speaker 1: with some of the teams and who made it or
Speaker 1: didn't make it in the All Star game this year.
Speaker 1: You know, could you put two or three guys from
Speaker 1: a team that isn't winning the way you guys were,
Speaker 1: dough or like, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean I think it's been that's been part of
Speaker 2: the factor too.
Speaker 1: So the fact that you were there, I think really
Speaker 1: speaks to what a tight, strong team you guys were.
Speaker 1: It's my opinion we got to move on to I'll
Speaker 1: take that bet. I will take that bet presented by DraftKings.
Speaker 1: I want to look at odds with who will be
Speaker 1: the number one seed out West. Here are the odds
Speaker 1: Denver plus one fifty five, minnesot plus two sixty, Clippers
Speaker 1: plus two sixty five. Okay, see plus five hundred. So
Speaker 1: looking at the odds, how much money you would get
Speaker 1: back if you lay down one hundred?
Speaker 2: Though, who's better you're taking? Which better you're taking?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the Clippers all right to sixty five.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take that one and play it and play
Speaker 4: that bad. I think it'll be a safe bet for me.
Speaker 4: Like I said, this is the history of who they
Speaker 4: are and it's where they're going, you know, Like I
Speaker 4: said that James is just getting started. They playing the
Speaker 4: best best basketball in the last month Junior they were
Speaker 4: really hot, so I think they'll continue there.
Speaker 5: The streak can go into the playoffs rolling with number one.
Speaker 7: Seed, I'm gonna have to I think I'm gonna have
Speaker 7: to roll with one of the younger teams.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with Minnesota, Okay. See.
Speaker 7: And the reason the reason I say that is when
Speaker 7: it comes to veteran teams later in the year, they
Speaker 7: kind of have the tendency to, you know, take their
Speaker 7: foot off the gas a little bit. It's more about
Speaker 7: getting healthy, is more about you know, tuning up to
Speaker 7: find things for the playoffs, so the games don't matter
Speaker 7: as much. And these are two teams that have basically
Speaker 7: been here before, so it's more about matchups. It's more
Speaker 7: about getting the right seed. You kind of figure out
Speaker 7: who you want to match up with in that first round,
Speaker 7: things of that nature. So those things matter for teams
Speaker 7: like that. When it comes to these young teams that
Speaker 7: are just you know, obviously want to show they had
Speaker 7: an incredible year, the regular season really matters to them.
Speaker 6: It matters to the coaches and things of that nature.
Speaker 7: So being able to say we were a number one
Speaker 7: seed or a number two seed coming out of the West.
Speaker 7: Those are great bragging points for those young teams. And obviously,
Speaker 7: being young, you don't really give a damn who you
Speaker 7: match up with. You're happy to be there. You want
Speaker 7: to go out and just perform to the best of
Speaker 7: the ability. And that's when it becomes a learning curve
Speaker 7: for those young teams, after they make this first step
Speaker 7: and then start to move forward. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 7: with one of the younger teams, and okay, see in
Speaker 7: minnesot I know I can't.
Speaker 6: I got to choose one, but I'm gonna put my
Speaker 6: money on both.
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, See pays more, so you know he might
Speaker 2: want to go for that one. If you're on the fence.
Speaker 2: I think the Clippers will still care about getting the
Speaker 2: number one seed.
Speaker 1: I just think that organization has been through so much
Speaker 1: that the idea of becoming the number one seed in
Speaker 1: the West would.
Speaker 2: Mean a lot to them.
Speaker 1: But I do agree with you it is about matchups
Speaker 1: because someone is likely going to end up drawing the
Speaker 1: Lakers or the Warriors in the first round as a
Speaker 1: number eight seed, and I just think that whoever is
Speaker 1: jacking for number one is going to care about that.
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that plays out.
Speaker 1: I do have to bring up last week's bet because
Speaker 1: you took the bet boogie for the Gatorade shower at
Speaker 1: the end of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: You said purple.
Speaker 1: I fell on on the job. I said orange, because
Speaker 1: indeed it was purple.
Speaker 2: Congratulations, appreciate it with some moral victory.
Speaker 7: My dumb ass didn't put any money down, so.
Speaker 6: Made the right bed. Take my own bite, man.
Speaker 7: I think this has a more big three, and I
Speaker 7: guess you'll just start listening to me when it's time
Speaker 7: to take a bit seeing them on the right.
Speaker 2: Pa, I'm just saying, dough clear was also an option water.
Speaker 1: So you could have bet a lot of things last
Speaker 1: week on draftkingspoort, but he went with He went with purple.
Speaker 1: He was right, all right, y'all can catch all episodes
Speaker 1: of Bullyball in the DraftKings Network. We're excited about that
Speaker 1: the All the Smoke Productions YouTube channel. You can also
Speaker 1: listen to us wherever you get your podcasts and be excited.
Speaker 2: You're going to see more of Jean Rondeau across our
Speaker 2: entire network.
Speaker 1: I'm very, very pumped about this, dough welcome and especially.
Speaker 2: Here to bullyball. We're gonna have you on a lot,
Speaker 2: so thank you so much. Catch the rest of you
Speaker 2: next week.