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Speaker 1: You, lady. Today, we have a true friend of the

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Speaker 1: show joining us. Doctor Wendy Williams is a visionary psychologist

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Speaker 1: and educator who bridges psychology, education, and leadership with so

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Speaker 1: much clarity, compassion, and transformative insight. With more than two

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Speaker 1: decades of experience in higher education and the nonprofit sector,

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Speaker 1: her work is deeply rooted in advancing the well being, leadership,

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Speaker 1: and liberation of Black women and girls. From keynote stages

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Speaker 1: to intimate coaching spaces, she brings research to life through storytelling,

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Speaker 1: strategic thinking, and soulful leadership. You've seen her work across

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Speaker 1: academic spaces, podcasts, radio and public forums, and through her

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Speaker 1: powerful books, Black Women at Work on Refusal and Recovery

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Speaker 1: and The Majestic Place The Freedom Possible in Black Women's Leadership.

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Speaker 1: There is so much more that we could say about

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Speaker 1: doctor Wendy Williams. But we're going to let you hear

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Speaker 1: it from her, doctor Wendy, welcome back to cultivating her space.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be back here with you both.

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Speaker 2: Do you have no idea? Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are looking forward to this conversation and we

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Speaker 3: are so happy to see you again. And so our

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Speaker 3: quote of the day, doctor Wendy, will sound really familiar

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Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, you know how we do.

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Speaker 3: Yes, these are your words, okay, And so our quote

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Speaker 3: of the day, recovery is not about fixing yourself. It's

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Speaker 3: about reclaiming yourself. Yes, that deep sigh. Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: Felt it in their spirit.

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Speaker 3: Recovery is not about fixing yourself. It's about reclaiming yourself. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: when you hear your words reflected back to you and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always so I forgot you do that. That's

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Speaker 2: that right now? And I know, we'll get into many

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Speaker 2: different parts of this conversation as it relates to black women.

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Speaker 2: For me, black women are the portal that you go

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Speaker 2: all because of the harm that black women have experienced.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Okay, so clearly you're going to be

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Speaker 1: preaching today is what we just the download we just got.

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Speaker 1: so beautiful. And we're going to ask you some questions,

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Speaker 1: doctor Wendy, and like got into your origin story. But

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Speaker 2: I really hope for her and for all of us

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Speaker 2: I know that that is what you all have cultivated,

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Speaker 2: which is you know, I'm such a fan and supporter

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Speaker 2: I hope that this is the well that she comes

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Speaker 2: to to get that drink when she's been a bit

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Speaker 2: there's a shared opportunity in galvanizing our strengths together too,

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you for that, doctor, Wendy. You know, this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're a pauseble.

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Speaker 3: And I mean the conversation also was fun and light

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Speaker 3: because we are multifaceted women, and you know, one of

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Speaker 3: so there is a lot that may have happened in

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Speaker 3: Up, President elect of the American Psychological Association.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot has happened. Twenty twenty three, my book

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Speaker 2: I've transitioned from that as well. I've always been and

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Speaker 2: will always be a psychologist and educator. But what has

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Speaker 1: so I don't know if people like know what the

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Speaker 1: also doctor Wendie just breaking down what it truly means

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Speaker 1: personally but also historically. For you to become a black

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Speaker 1: woman serving as the president of the APA, that's like incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you for that, and you're welcome. You know,

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Speaker 2: The American Psychological Association is a nearly one hundred and

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Speaker 2: ninety thousand member organization, so we are members are psychologists,

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Speaker 2: The APA has the vision and mission to both the advancement, communication,

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Speaker 2: What does that look like in this time when we're

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Speaker 2: think feels really important is that we perhaps start with

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Speaker 2: ourselves first and instead of being driven algorithmically by what

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Speaker 2: the what what these platforms may direct us toward, which

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Speaker 2: you know, can be a continuous loop, is to first

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Speaker 2: ask ourselves, well, what is the question that I have?

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Speaker 2: What is the question that I have? You know, if

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Speaker 2: I want it, whatever it is, you know, if I

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Speaker 2: want to know how I tie my shoes, let's start

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Speaker 2: my shoes, and yeah, I you know, I am quick

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Speaker 2: to go on YouTube to fix figure out how to

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Speaker 2: have like real basic information that is, how to do

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Speaker 3: And now let's get back to the conversation.

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Speaker 2: I would apply that to any content and information. If

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for information on what happened in the news today,

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Speaker 2: for example, do I go to hear a lot of

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Speaker 2: opinions about what people think might happen in the news,

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Speaker 2: or someone who says this happened today. First, this happened

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Speaker 2: at this time, and then this happened later in the day,

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Speaker 2: and then these two things also happened. These are all

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Speaker 2: deep issues. We're going to take each of them one

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Speaker 2: by one or talk about each of them through the week,

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Speaker 2: right as opposed to what happened in the news today.

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Speaker 2: And then well, someone's going to teach you about how

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Speaker 2: to fix a door knob or tie your shoes. Well,

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Speaker 2: they're not answering your question, but you would need to

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Speaker 2: first know what your question is, rather than being driven

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Speaker 2: and led by the information that is continually provided. There

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Speaker 2: is so many folks who speak with an authoritative tone,

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Speaker 2: but the facts beneath that they are sharing have no

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Speaker 2: or little to no authority. What we know as happens

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Speaker 2: in conspiratorial or conspiracy theory frameworks is that they always

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Speaker 2: start with just a nugget of truth that begins to

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Speaker 2: spiral out and away in tangential loops away from that nugget,

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Speaker 2: and if you ask a direct question back to that nugget,

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Speaker 2: you find that it's really hard to get back there.

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Speaker 2: So it's why I say, well, what is it that

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about? What is my question? And ensure that

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Speaker 2: that question gets answered, and if it doesn't, stop listening

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Speaker 2: to that. You know, we do have the power of

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Speaker 2: turning these things off. Our attention is a very valuable resource,

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Speaker 2: and we have been very We've been treating it very cheaply.

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Speaker 2: And I would say that one of the things that

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Speaker 2: we can do from a critical thinking and media literacy

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Speaker 2: perspective is ensure that we're attending to the media and

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Speaker 2: attending to the information providers who actually have information to

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Speaker 2: give and to know the difference. You know, you may

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Speaker 2: just be drawn into a little bit of gossip and

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Speaker 2: you want to know what the with the you know,

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Speaker 2: the celebrities are doing of late, and that's fine, but

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Speaker 2: know that that's what it is, and don't pretend for

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Speaker 2: yourself that it is anything else. You know. I always

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Speaker 2: ask colleagues and friends of mine and folks and family,

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Speaker 2: you know, and they're like, well, did you know it?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, and did you see that directly? Or

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Speaker 2: did was that someone else espousing on what they think

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Speaker 2: it might be? And you know, I think so then

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Speaker 2: going back to critical thinking and what I think we

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Speaker 2: can do in community with one another, especially as we

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Speaker 2: have so much miss and disinformation and also slop AI

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Speaker 2: slop out. There is to also be in conversation in

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Speaker 2: ways that challenge but are not challenging, right where we

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Speaker 2: are just asking questions to make sure that did I

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Speaker 2: ters correctly? So you think, oh, did you see that?

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Speaker 2: Like who said that? Can you show me who said that?

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Speaker 2: And maybe sort of have that test out. What I

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Speaker 2: find too for many of our friends and colleagues is

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Speaker 2: that the I don't want to shame them because that

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Speaker 2: also makes people ground down more deeply in terms of

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Speaker 2: into false things. But you do want to have that

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Speaker 2: open dialogue in space where we can feel proud of

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Speaker 2: the information that we're sharing and that it is reliable,

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Speaker 2: and so that that does mean sort of really being

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Speaker 2: intent in that space. And for me that I would

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Speaker 2: say when I say, you know, watch something and go

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Speaker 2: be and talk with folks. Go test out what you've

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Speaker 2: learned and what you've heard. Did you you I sharing

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Speaker 2: some of the information too, This is where I'm learning

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Speaker 2: that from. They got their numbers from the CDC, or

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Speaker 2: they did this, or they got the you know, the

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Speaker 2: Bureau of Labor Statistics haven't put out a report last month.

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Speaker 2: But these folks ADP, these are the people where you know,

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Speaker 2: they get the time and put it on your paycheck,

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Speaker 2: and so they also have a lot of data. They

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Speaker 2: don't have everything, but just from people who work and

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Speaker 2: who use ADP from those companies. And so this is

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Speaker 2: one indicator, you know, and you know for ourselves, I

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Speaker 2: think in our own critical thinking is to be only

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Speaker 2: factual in our speech with others, and so to speak

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Speaker 2: to the limits of what I'm saying. Right, So the

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Speaker 2: ADP example to name that, no, not everyone uses that

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Speaker 2: ADP system, but they they serve this percentage of the population.

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Speaker 2: And that's a nice extrapolation that we might used to

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Speaker 2: understand a little bit about what's going on in the

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Speaker 2: job market right now while we don't have the official

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Speaker 2: statistics from our government, for example.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a great example, and so let's get into it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's get into that example. Because you're referencing ADP and

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Speaker 3: the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and we've been hearing over

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Speaker 3: the course of twenty twenty five so much information about

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Speaker 3: black women and employment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what.

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Speaker 3: Help us help us parse out what's fact what's fiction

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Speaker 3: and what do we as black women need to be

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Speaker 3: concerned about in terms of our role in the workplace.

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Speaker 2: The interesting there's a wonderful journalist. Her name is Katika Roy.

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Speaker 2: I would encourage folks to read her work. K A

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Speaker 2: T I C A. I believe roy are why and

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Speaker 2: I can send you a link when we're done here

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Speaker 2: you can put it in the show notes. She's she's

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Speaker 2: been doing this work for years. It's not just a

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Speaker 2: topic she picked up because it's salacious now that folks

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Speaker 2: are interested in black women's leadership labor now. She's actually

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Speaker 2: one of the folks. I don't know if you remember

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Speaker 2: during the pandemic when we saw the job loss by

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Speaker 2: black and Latina and white women and the impact of

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Speaker 2: the pandemic on women's participation in the workforce. She was

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Speaker 2: a part of some of that work in that research.

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Speaker 2: So she feels like a critical and a good source

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Speaker 2: for me because this is her work, right, Like, this

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Speaker 2: is her body of work. It just happens to be

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Speaker 2: of interest to people now. And so she has actuallyually

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Speaker 2: a pretty interesting piece that came out maybe a week

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Speaker 2: or so ago, which puts those numbers a bit higher

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Speaker 2: than three hundred thousand, and so I would encourage folks

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Speaker 2: to read her work because because she's been in this

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Speaker 2: conversation over a period of time that while we've seen

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Speaker 2: job loss at three hundred thousand over the course of

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Speaker 2: this year, that in whole and in total, black women's

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Speaker 2: underemployment and job law at this moment is closer to

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Speaker 2: six hundred thousand, so double that. And we're also black

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Speaker 2: women's the impact of the efficiency efforts, particularly in the

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Speaker 2: federal government. We know that the federal government employs people

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Speaker 2: across the country, a good number of them in Washington,

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Speaker 2: d C. Washington, d C has a very high African

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Speaker 2: American population, has been called a chocolate city for example,

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Speaker 2: in popular parlance. That that has an effect on folks

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Speaker 2: who live there. And so if black people are of

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Speaker 2: a higher proportion of folks and working in good government

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Speaker 2: jobs is what we have always been told are nice,

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Speaker 2: stable places to find employment, then if the federal government

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Speaker 2: is looking for efficiencies and are letting go of individuals

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Speaker 2: who are in are employed with the federal government, then

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Speaker 2: that likely will disproportionately harm those folks. We know that

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Speaker 2: that happened in areas that black people, Black women have

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Speaker 2: had high predominance and health and education in some of

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Speaker 2: these other areas. So there's reason and rational for why

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Speaker 2: we're seeing in terms of those targeted cuts for efficiency

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Speaker 2: that when we look at the numbers now, have not

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Speaker 2: actually been that efficient. But be that as it may,

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Speaker 2: it has resulted in people being without work, but that

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Speaker 2: we know that there has been this unemployment push and

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Speaker 2: it impact on black women, particularly as many folks you

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Speaker 2: know this, we've seen that put that impact through the pandemic,

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Speaker 2: I guess, is what I would say. And those were

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Speaker 2: again in some of the fields where women women of color,

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Speaker 2: black women, Latino women as well. We're seeing that the

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Speaker 2: types of work that they were doing were the types

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Speaker 2: of work where we were seeing unemployment rise.

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Speaker 1: Those numbers are just absolutely amiss, devastating, and I think

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Speaker 1: about and this is something ladies as you're listening, would

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Speaker 1: definitely fact check this and look it up. But I

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Speaker 1: think it is common knowledge and we've probably heard this,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's some data somewhere, but if either

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Speaker 1: of you have, please let me know. But many of

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Speaker 1: us have heard that many people are living paycheck to paycheck,

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Speaker 1: and I remember, especially in our in America I remember

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Speaker 1: a black woman I went to an event. It was

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Speaker 1: a volunteer event, and she was just it was a

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Speaker 1: corporate event, so you know, people got these corporate jobs

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Speaker 1: and they're making their six figures plus. And she made

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Speaker 1: a statement just saying that, you know, asking for donations

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Speaker 1: for the Boys and Girls club, and she said, you know,

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Speaker 1: many of us, even though we might have these jobs

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Speaker 1: right now, you let go of that job. Many of

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Speaker 1: us we need that check every two weeks, right to

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Speaker 1: be able to live our lives. And so considering that

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Speaker 1: this is the state that we're in, when you think

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Speaker 1: about any mindset shifts, there's just some hope or encouragement

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Speaker 1: for folks who may be faced with that. But also,

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Speaker 1: are there any interesting career paths or paths to financial

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Speaker 1: abundance freedom, something that you're noticing or seeing people take

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Speaker 1: when they are faced with that?

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Speaker 2: That'd be interesting. Well, okay, so I definitely will talk

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Speaker 2: about that. I just want to tell you that the

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Speaker 2: article it's like critique, right, and it's called the exit economy,

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Speaker 2: So that's language. I think that if folks are interested

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Speaker 2: in exit reading, because that's what's happening. And I love

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Speaker 2: that you ask that question. Terry because they're you know,

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Speaker 2: my work has always been about black women and our

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Speaker 2: experiences in the workplace and that they have been difficult.

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Speaker 2: And so a lot of the work that I do

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Speaker 2: with folks in my consulting, particularly executive coaching, is to

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Speaker 2: start thinking of, like, well, what's the exit strategy? So

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Speaker 2: I actually developed a course called the Exit Strategy so

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Speaker 2: that folks can figure out, like, well, what do I

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Speaker 2: got to get together so that I can get out

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Speaker 2: of here? And I name that because one of the challenges,

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Speaker 2: I think is that you know, when something it's taken away,

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Speaker 2: when you feel a lack of control, you may clinch

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Speaker 2: even tighter to keep it. But one of the things

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Speaker 2: I would ask ourselves is that you know, even though

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Speaker 2: with the economy being in the position that it's in,

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Speaker 2: that we may not actually want the thing that we're

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Speaker 2: clinking to, and that we may not want to forget

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Speaker 2: that prior to these threats and the threat of an

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Speaker 2: economy that is sort of shaking and is uncertain, was

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Speaker 2: a desire that you had, that I had, that any

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Speaker 2: one of us have had that you know what, I

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Speaker 2: just kind of don't quite see what I'm doing here

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Speaker 2: really fitting anymore. For me, these folks are depleting me.

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Speaker 2: I'm experiencing these microaggressions, whether it's on zoom or at

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Speaker 2: the water cooler, I feel deeply disrespected. People are not

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Speaker 2: giving me credit for my ideas. These are some of

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Speaker 2: the main themes of the book that I wrote, and

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Speaker 2: a lot for a lot of folks, those conditions haven't shifted.

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Speaker 2: It's just that there's more desperation to hold on to

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Speaker 2: maybe toxic or complex work environments that continue to be

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Speaker 2: very undermining and very just invalidating. And so I would

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Speaker 2: like for folks to also hold on to that piece

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Speaker 2: because I think that when we see the desperation, when

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Speaker 2: we see that, maybe you still have your position, but

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Speaker 2: you're afraid because you know, some folks who have been

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Speaker 2: out of the workforce for a while or haven't or

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Speaker 2: have just recently been let go, and they don't know

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Speaker 2: what to do, and that fear is very contagious and

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Speaker 2: it spreads. But here's what I do now, and this

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Speaker 2: is not romanticizing, this is really what I do. Know

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Speaker 2: that we have always had to be people. We being

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Speaker 2: black people, black women, and I would say others as well,

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Speaker 2: have had to always have a conscientiousness. But I will

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Speaker 2: name black folks in particular, especially those who've experienced the

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Speaker 2: Atlantic slave trade, the Jim Crow, the Black Codes, the reconstruction,

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Speaker 2: the deer. We have a very long history of knowing

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Speaker 2: that we can be dropped by this government, very long history.

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Speaker 2: We also have a very long history that whenever there

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Speaker 2: are rights that are entertained and that make for an

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Speaker 2: equal or an equitable experience in this society where we

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Speaker 2: live now, that it lasts for about fifty years. So

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Speaker 2: all you have to do is read a history book

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Speaker 2: and you can see these cycles of tolerance and tolerance

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Speaker 2: for this sort of freedom and liberatory experience of black people,

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Speaker 2: this type of opportunity for economic growth and independence, that

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Speaker 2: there's only so much tolerance for it. And so we

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Speaker 2: have always had to dig ourselves out of these things,

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Speaker 2: and right now is the time to do so. So

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Speaker 2: I would say, you know that. What I would also

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Speaker 2: say is that they're and the numbers they go back

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Speaker 2: and forth, but there's between one point seven and one

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Speaker 2: point nine trillion dollars within black consumer spending alone, let

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Speaker 2: alone anybody else would be an ally and would spend

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Speaker 2: in that direction. I said trillion with a T with

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Speaker 2: the T, and so that means that right we're deeply

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Speaker 2: embedded and connected to all the economic systems. It's not

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Speaker 2: as if we're going to take all of our money

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Speaker 2: out of this bank or do these things, or some

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Speaker 2: people may, but we're implicated. But it does mean that

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Speaker 2: there can be some choices that we make with the

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Speaker 2: portion of that one point seven to one point nine

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Speaker 2: trillion that are supportive of small businesses, black owned businesses,

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Speaker 2: women owned businesses, l LGBTQ owned businesses, businesses where folks

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Speaker 2: have you know, where we're aligned in values and insights

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Speaker 2: around the type of world we want to build and

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00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: not to participate. So we see a lot of these

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Speaker 2: they're not calling them boycotts but pauses. But we're seeing

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Speaker 2: a lot of these happening within the within commerce spaces

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Speaker 2: and including most recently on the holiday a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks back, and so I think that they're just ways

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Speaker 2: for us to think about that. What I've noticed is

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Speaker 2: an increase in entrepreneurship. And what I've also noticed is

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Speaker 2: an increase in mutual aid, particularly mutual aid around how

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Speaker 2: to help a sister get a job. And so there's

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Speaker 2: a site or a group that I belonged to. It

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Speaker 2: began years ago when with Black Women Jataka Aready or

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Speaker 2: Eddie rather is lead on that and so she's in

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Speaker 2: the DC political space and prior to Kamala Harris's run,

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Speaker 2: but definitely during and ash and after. This site has

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Speaker 2: been interesting. And one of the things I just noticed

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Speaker 2: for being on this site is you know, each week

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Speaker 2: there's an email that goes out to the group and

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Speaker 2: there's just a list of job listings. This is literally

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Speaker 2: black women crowdsourcing information. Say hey, we have seen these

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Speaker 2: jobs in these areas and you should look. They're in

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Speaker 2: this area, this area, this area, across these states, and

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Speaker 2: you should look into applying for this or that position

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Speaker 2: if you're interested, if you have those credentials. These are

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Speaker 2: black women senior leaders and with you know, we're one

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Speaker 2: of the most highly educated groups, and that's part of

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Speaker 2: the punishment, I believe, and so we do want to

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Speaker 2: make sure that we can link up folks with those

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00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: types of opportunities. This is what I'm seeing. So while

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Speaker 2: I can yes, well, while there is this effort and

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00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: there is this like real attack on the infrastructure of

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Speaker 2: the country, real attack on some of the key resources

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00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: that help to keep individuals and communities plugged in and engage.

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Speaker 2: We're talking library systems and public parks. There's just so

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Speaker 2: much effort to degrade what is actually enjoyable about this country.

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Speaker 2: There are also One, those things can only go so far,

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Speaker 2: and two, you know, we are so much more powerful

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Speaker 2: than those efforts to undermine our growth. What I think

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Speaker 2: and expect will happen in this moment is that, similar

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Speaker 2: to people boycotting or pausing their participation and engagement with

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Speaker 2: different retailers, you may look up and want us to

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Speaker 2: come back, and we will be busy doing something else.

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Speaker 2: Owned businesses, hiring other people, creating workplaces that don't feel

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Speaker 2: offensive and disrespectful, you know, creating some of the spaces

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Speaker 2: that we wish we could have worked within. And now,

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Speaker 2: with enough time and enough you know, Gusto redirected, we

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Speaker 2: may see a different type and way in which our

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Speaker 2: economy grows. And, to be quite honest, is probably about

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Speaker 2: time that we started to do that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so many sources that you named, so many gems

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Speaker 3: that you dropped, Yeah, okay, all right, all right, So

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Speaker 3: doctor Wendy, we could sit here and engage in conversation

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Speaker 3: with you, all day. Yes, they're like fifty other questions

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Speaker 3: that I have and I would love to have answered,

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Speaker 3: Like like we really could like sip some tea and

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Speaker 3: spend the whole afternoon in conversation, but we know that

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Speaker 3: time and you have a lot that you were doing

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Speaker 3: in service to us as black women. Yes, and so

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Speaker 3: as we are unfortunately having to bring this conversation to

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Speaker 3: a close, is there anything that we haven't tapped into

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Speaker 3: today that you're You're like, I need these ladies, I

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Speaker 3: need this commun need to walk away with this particular

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Speaker 3: piece of information and this all it's already been said.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything else that you're like, No, I need

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Speaker 3: to make sure that we talk about this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that we've talked about so many of

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Speaker 2: those things there's just in this conversation. But what I

792
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: think feels so important for me right now is the

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00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: hope piece. I know you have a nice sized audience

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Speaker 2: and they are us, and for me, since the start

795
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: of my career, it has always been about It started

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00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: with black girls, but soon became about black women and

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00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: girls in very distinct ways. And so I just want

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Speaker 2: us to really remember who we are. I just want

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Speaker 2: us to remember who we are to not be devalued

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Speaker 2: or devastated by the attempts to devalue and devastate you.

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Speaker 2: They are trying so hard because you are that strong

802
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: and that beautiful. You don't put this much effort behind

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00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: a weak woman. Okay, that part, that part, And so

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00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, I try to share information that is both

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00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: engaging and inspiring. If folks want to connect with any

806
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: of that information, please feel free to follow both or

807
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: either on LinkedIn or on Instagram at doctor Wendy Williams

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00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: as it's spelled. And you know, if there's any way

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00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: to engage with some of the material on my website,

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Speaker 2: if you're interested in a more deathful engagement, I'm open

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Speaker 2: to that. You know, I may be the current president

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00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: or soon to be in three weeks of the American

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00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: Psychological Association, but I was every day born a black woman,

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Speaker 2: and that is the community that I serve. I know

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Speaker 2: so clearly that by serving this community, that I serve everyone,

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00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 2: that I serve every community, that I serve every community.

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Speaker 2: And so I hope that that is big enough and

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Speaker 2: broad enough where folks can find a place for themselves

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Speaker 2: in that space. But there's a place for you, and

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Speaker 2: we are not forgotten and I will not be turning

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Speaker 2: my back on us, Evan. Thank you so much, doctor Wendy.

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Speaker 2: This was such a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: We definitely less spiritflow and we went where we needed

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Speaker 1: to go.

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Speaker 2: We did, guess, so we appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We might need a book of poetry next because you

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Speaker 1: were just so poetic and the gyms you drop I

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Speaker 1: had goosebump so many times.

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Speaker 2: But we appreciate you. We'll make sure we add those

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Speaker 2: links in the show notes and we will stay in

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Speaker 2: touch for sure. Wonderful. Thank you for having me. I

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Speaker 2: guess you.

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Speaker 1: If you want more speaking engagements, collaborations or visibility for

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Speaker 2: Here's the truth.

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Speaker 1: Opportunities don't go to the most qualified. They go to

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Speaker 1: us on Instagram at her Space podcast