1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: there's Chuck, and Jerry's here too. Set in the tempo, 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: and this is stuff you should know, short stuff. 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: That's right. I guess you could have said there's and 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: and there's. 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: I wish I had now, maybe we should retake the 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: whole thing. 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: Nah, a dumb joke, because what we're talking about is naming, 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: and specifically sort of like the rules and laws about 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: naming somebody and having a name and if you need 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: a name legally. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: This is so in our wheelhouse. Man, we've been talking 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: about this stuff since basically day one of stuff you 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: should know. 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, this seemed familiar enough to where I thought we 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: might have done it. 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: No, we haven't done this particularly, but we've talked about 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: I think in some of like our videos, maybe about 19 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: people who gave their kids weird names, like I will 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: never forget, Yeah Detroit, you remember. 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: I forgot about that? 22 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, But we're talking about today is which by the way, Yes, 23 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: somebody tried to name their kid yeah Detroit, right, one 24 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: word and there might have been an exclamation point. I 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: don't remember. You gotta have one the best name, or 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: at least a tempted name I've ever. 27 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: Heard, or maybe an in terror bang. 28 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So we're talking about something a little more 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: specific today, though. We're talking about can you live without 30 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: a name? Is it? Is it something you could possibly do? 31 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: And the short answer is no. The bigger answer is 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: even more interesting than just being cold. 33 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, I mean, it's not illegal to not have 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: a name, but try getting through life without a name. 35 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: It's going to be a big pain. So like, get 36 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: here you yeah, get it, getting a job, getting a 37 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 2: driver's license, just almost anything that you do these days 38 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: might require some form of identification, and if you don't 39 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: have a name, it's going to make it challenging. 40 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like you just could not make it 41 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: through life, at least in the United States and most 42 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: other countries, probably just about any country because you just 43 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: like no one can say you're you. That's how we you, 44 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: that's how we do it. That's the first way we 45 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: do it is with a name. I think when you're named, 46 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: even before you're named, even before you get your Social 47 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: Security number, you have your name. That's how you're identified. 48 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: That's how they keep up with you. Who's who at 49 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: the hospital? 50 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: Even Yeah, you can change your name, and you know, 51 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: depending on your state, there's different ways you can go 52 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: about that. You can you can just start using a 53 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: different name, and even without making it like the official 54 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: legal way like on formal documents. Even Emily changed her 55 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: spelling of her name and it was just unofficial for 56 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: many many years until she finally had it officially changed, 57 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: which is interesting. 58 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: Nice. 59 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, she went from whye to ie. 60 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: I always loved the i e on the end of 61 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: her name. I thought that was nice touch. I didn't 62 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: realize it was her own choosing. 63 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: So like a teenager thing. 64 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: She keeps getting better and better, you know. 65 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: I think so too. Well, she's in her fifties. 66 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: So there are some rules. I should say not everybody 67 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: has rules. Usually in the United States, at least, the 68 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: laws about what you can or can't name your kid are. 69 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: It's by the states, and there's at least a dozen 70 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: states that don't have any laws. They're basically like, you 71 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: can name your kid whatever you want, okay, but plenty 72 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: of other states do have laws. One of the big 73 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: ones that you'll find not just among the states that 74 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: have laws about what you can name your kid, but 75 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: also internationally, is that you can't name your kid in number, 76 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: although there is a workaround. You could spell out that, 77 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: yeahber So you can't do the number three, but you 78 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: could name your kid phr ee. 79 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: Right, Or you could name your kid plan nine, but 80 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: you'd have to spell out nine. 81 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: Yes, would you do it all? One word or two words? 82 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: Plan nine? Bryant, I think that'd be pretty fun. Is 83 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: one word? 84 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: That's a great name, man? Yeah? What else you can't use? 85 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: Vulgar words? 86 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, extent? It can't be Jesus Christ or what Adolf 87 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: Hitler's on the list too, right. 88 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: Yep, same with Santa Claus in some places. Nutella is 89 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: another one. 90 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it? 91 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Is it nutella? I always say nutella. 92 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: I've always sad nutella, but it probably is nutella. 93 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't know who used to say who's right? In 94 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: this topsy turvy world. 95 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: Any kind of racial slur you can't use? Or if 96 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: it's a name like intentionally used to like commit fraud, 97 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: like to get out of a debt or something like that, 98 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: you can't change your name for that reason. 99 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: But I mean, would you be dumb enough to go 100 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: and change your name and tell like the probably not 101 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: the people at the vital records, Like yeah, I'm doing 102 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: this because I owe a law of money. Yeah, emojis 103 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: are out pretty much across the board. Oh good, And 104 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: that's the United States. And you're like, well, it's kind 105 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 1: of strict if you do think that, that's kind of strict, 106 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: But around the world it can be even stricter. Like 107 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: they're like, Portugal is very strict. Not only do they 108 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: have some serious naming laws, there's a list of approved 109 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: names that you have to select from. I think Iceland 110 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: and Denmark also have similar lists. And in Portugal it 111 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: has to be what they consider gender appropriate and still 112 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: and they will kick your door down if you try 113 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: anything different. 114 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: Wow. 115 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Portugal is hardcore about naming. 116 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: Maybe we should take a break and we'll talk a 117 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: little bit more about naming that baby right for this, 118 00:05:47,480 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: all right, So in the United States, when a birth happens, 119 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: the parents are legally obligated at some point in time 120 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: to register that birth with a government entity Vital Records 121 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: Department or Department of Health and Human Services, something like that. 122 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: And every country has a version of something like that, 123 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: and on that form you got to fill out the name, 124 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: but it depends on what state you're in as far 125 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: as like how long you have to decide that it does. 126 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: You don't have to name your baby before you leave 127 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: the hospital. 128 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: No, that's a pretty a pretty common misconception, at least 129 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: according to Kristen Conger, who hats off wrote this one 130 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: originally from. 131 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: Here, Yeah it works, former colleague Kristen Conger and host 132 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: and founder of Unlady Like a great podcast. 133 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 1: That's right. So Conquer points something out that I thought 134 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: was pretty smart that if you do leave the hospital 135 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: when you're baby unnamed, because it's going to be a 136 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: lot of pressure. 137 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't have it done beforehand, you don't 138 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: want to just be thinking of it like right after 139 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: you give birth. 140 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, exactly, especially if you weren't aware you're pregnant 141 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: and this was a surprise birth. You need a little time, right. Yeah, 142 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: the hospital is still going to be like, we need 143 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: to be able to keep up with that baby so 144 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: that baby goes home with you, Right, So they might 145 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: name it something like baby Girl Smith if your name 146 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: is Jane Smith. But there was a study that was conducted, 147 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: probably the most obvious study I've ever heard, that was 148 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: like if you actually use something a little more specific, 149 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: like say this is Jane Smith's daughter. Uh, you would 150 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: name it Jane's girl Smith. Yeah, you're probably going to 151 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: have fewer mix ups at the hospital, which is just 152 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: alarming that anybody even needs to study that because that 153 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: even happens. 154 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, if you do wait and you haven't 155 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: decided in the hospital and then you decide, like let's 156 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: say the state you live in, let's you like, wait 157 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: a few months or whatever. It depends on that state 158 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: again on the procedure for adding that in, Like in California, 159 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: as the one Kristen mentions, you have to fill out 160 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: a supplemental name report with the health department and fill 161 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: that in and say all right, now we have our 162 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: baby's name, and they're like, great, now you can get 163 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: your birth certificate. 164 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think. Do you think it's a 165 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: good name. It's a pretty good name. 166 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: Pretty good name. And I think you have a year 167 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: in California, So again it varies. 168 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I did not realize this, but the United Nations 169 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: has a pretty stern stance on kids' names. In particular, 170 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: in the Convention on the Rights of a Child, they 171 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: said that all children have a right from birth to 172 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: a name. There's an asterisk next to that they said, 173 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: if you ever find yourself in a highly stressful bird 174 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: box type situation, you can just name your kid boy 175 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: or girl. But other than that, that kid deserves a name. 176 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 2: I didn't see that. That was the Sandra Bullock thing 177 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: that it's excellent, I call the world during COVID. 178 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, it's really good. 179 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't seen it. 180 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: You should check it out, all right, I'll dust that 181 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: one off. Yes, so, Chuck, let's move on to a 182 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: little extra what we call a lane yap if we 183 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: wanted to sound really obnoxious on middle. 184 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: Names, Yeah, middle names haven't always been a thing. I 185 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: think the modern idea of a middle name started in 186 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: the Middle Ages, it seems like, but it was pretty 187 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: specific back then. They would just give the first name 188 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: on you know, whatever they wanted to personalize it. But 189 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: then the middle name would be a saints name and 190 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: then a surname. But then that eventually fell out of 191 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 2: favor over time to where non religious middle names became 192 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: a thing. 193 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of times it was the mother's maiden name, 194 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: the family name. It could just be like the parents 195 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: were like I really like McGillicutty, so that your middle name. Yeah, 196 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: and it just kind of picked up by I think 197 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: World War One was the first time where the US 198 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: government at least officially recognized the existence of middle names, 199 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: when the enlistment forms for the military asked for a 200 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: middle name. Yeah, and within I don't know a couple 201 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: of decades, a handful of decades has computers started to 202 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: be used for documentation of individuals, like tracking people, big 203 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: brother type stuff. They were programmed for three names, first, middle, last, 204 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: and what would happen Chuck if you did not have 205 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: a middle name. 206 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: If you don't enter that, they would insert n M 207 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: I no middle initial because not everyone has a middle name, 208 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: and some people have many. I know that. My friend 209 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: Justin from England, he is one. He has three two 210 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: middle names, so something three names than a surname. No, 211 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: it's just I think it's more common in the UK 212 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: to do something like that. So he's Justin Neil Alexander Stewart, 213 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: so two middle names, one first name and his surname 214 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: very nice and his social Security number. 215 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: Is you got anything else? 216 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: I got nothing else? 217 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't either, I guess I'm mean short. Stuff is out. 218 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 219 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: more podcasts, My heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 220 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.