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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grayson.

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Speaker 2: This is the Friday Night special Crime Stories, and tonight

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Speaker 2: terrible news for a Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Dentist, a very popular.

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Speaker 2: Dentist accused of murdering his wife with poisoned shakes. Ret

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Speaker 2: Row again, Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories,

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Speaker 2: and I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: A lawyer who.

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Speaker 2: Had been defending a Colorado dentist charged of killing his

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Speaker 2: wife with of course, I mean really poisoned shakes, has

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Speaker 2: just withdrawn from the case. Has he just figured out

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Speaker 2: he's got a liar for a client? Seriously, because he

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Speaker 2: did it just days before.

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Speaker 1: The start of the murder.

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Speaker 2: Try now, wait, wait, wait for it, after allegedly setting

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Speaker 2: his own house on fire. Okay, just recently we covered

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Speaker 2: the case. I'm going to tell you all about it

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Speaker 2: of a lawyer who had called in bomb threats to

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Speaker 2: the courthouse because he wasn't ready to go to trial

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Speaker 2: and then even ended up killing his divorce client, a

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Speaker 2: beautiful woman, a mother killed her in an ambush so

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't have to go to trial. And now we

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Speaker 2: get a lawyer who sets fire to his own home

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Speaker 2: just before trial. Okay, you know what, I may not

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Speaker 2: like it, but as a judge, I would absolutely give

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Speaker 2: you a continuance. Anyway, Can we get to the facts

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Speaker 2: at hand? Or maybe he just realized he's stuck between

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Speaker 2: a rock and a hard spot. He's got to go

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Speaker 2: to trial and spout out a lot of things he

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Speaker 2: knows to be a lie.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Jackie.

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Speaker 3: The lead up to James Craig's trial has been bizarre.

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Speaker 3: Two postponements, three different attorney teams, five added charges, and

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Speaker 3: a crazy action from an attorney who allegedly set his

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Speaker 3: own house on fire. Still, the Aurordendus trial finally got

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Speaker 3: under way yesterday. Hundreds of potential jurors were in centennials

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Speaker 3: a Rapahoe County Justice Center, filling out questionnaires and being

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Speaker 3: questioned by attorneys. Forty six year old Craig faces six

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Speaker 3: felony counts murder in the first degree, two counts of

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Speaker 3: solicitation to commit tampering with physical evidence, three counts of

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Speaker 3: solicitation to commit perjury in the first degree. Court documents

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Speaker 3: show that Craig jailed on a murder charge of his wife,

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Speaker 3: Angela Craig still allegedly worked to convince inmates, a former mistress,

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Speaker 3: and even one of his own children to tamper with evidence,

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Speaker 3: to plant it to make it look like Angela Craig

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Speaker 3: wanted to kill herself. Prosecutors sage James Craig even made

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Speaker 3: a botched murder for higher attempt on the cases lead

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Speaker 3: detective just before a second attempt at trial last year.

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Speaker 3: Craig allegedly offered people cash and dental work in return

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Speaker 3: for a cover up. Craig insists he ordered poison because

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Speaker 3: his wife asked him.

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Speaker 2: To what happened to the must just say frisky dentist

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Speaker 2: who had begun yet another sex affair behind his wife's back,

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Speaker 2: clearly not his first, and this with a fellow dental worker,

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Speaker 2: a Texas orthodonist. The dentist accused of poisoning his wife

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Speaker 2: shakes with cyanide.

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Speaker 1: And a chemical that is found in eye drops.

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Speaker 2: Wow, if he put as much thought into fixing his

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Speaker 2: marriage as he did and to how to murder his wife,

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Speaker 2: that probably be the happiest couple on earth. That said,

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Speaker 2: what do we know about what happened to Angela?

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Speaker 1: Craig?

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Speaker 4: Listen to this After multiple recent hospital visits. Angela again

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Speaker 4: checked into a hospital Wednesday morning, complaining of a severe

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Speaker 4: her condition rapidly declining, doctors moving her to the ICU,

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Speaker 4: where she was put on life support before passing away.

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Speaker 2: Saturday, joining me an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 2: of what we are learning this mom of six six

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Speaker 2: and she's still really young as well.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, you know, college sweethearts.

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Speaker 2: Fall in love, they get married and immediately start having children.

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Speaker 2: That's how mom this young can have six children already, and.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: I want to go straight out to Stephan Tubb's, host

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Speaker 2: of the podcast Arsenic Dds The Bizarre Case of Doctor

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Speaker 2: James Craig, which is an incredible podcast by the way. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I've done all this investigation and research and I learned

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Speaker 2: even more by listening to that Arsenic Dds. The is

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Speaker 2: our case of Doctor James Craig. Stephan, I want to

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Speaker 2: just start with this young mom, Angela suddenly developed all

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Speaker 2: these symptoms. Nobody can figure out what's wrong with her,

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Speaker 2: and she just bam dies. Now tell me about her

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Speaker 2: original sentence, Stephan Tubbs.

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Speaker 5: Nancy, she got incredibly sick.

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Speaker 6: And it wasn't just one time in the hospital, it

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Speaker 6: was multiple times that she was feeling nauseous, that she

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Speaker 6: just didn't feel something was right, severe headaches, and she

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Speaker 6: went to a local hospital. The first time to the er,

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Speaker 6: like a week later.

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Speaker 5: It was Steph Stephan.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, Stephan, I want to go straight

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Speaker 2: out to our shrink. Joining us in addition to incredible

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Speaker 2: panel of guests joining me Doctor cheven Scott, psychotherapist, author

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Speaker 2: of the Minds of mass Killers, so much.

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Speaker 1: More, Doctor Chavon, thank you for being with us. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever noticed how women's symptoms just get discounted.

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Speaker 2: They come in, I'm nauseous, I feel dizzy, I've got

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're fine, bye. You have been over and over

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Speaker 1: to Angela.

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Speaker 7: What is it?

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Speaker 1: Are all women quote hysterical? Yeah.

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Speaker 8: There's even something called the w W syndrome, and that

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Speaker 8: stands for whiney women, and medical doctors have been known

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Speaker 8: to talk about the women.

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, head blowing off right now?

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Speaker 1: The w W syndrome. Is that what you just said?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whiney woman.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've read some women doctors have written books about

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Speaker 8: this problem in the medical profession where women are just

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've got so much to say about that, but

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Speaker 2: it will get me totally sidetracked off. This woman angela

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Speaker 2: mother of six. Okay, back to you, Stephan Tubbs joining me,

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Speaker 2: who has research and investigated this case. Just to the detail, Stephan, So,

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Speaker 2: she had headaches, a severe headache. I think from what

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Speaker 2: I recall, that's what really made her decide to go

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Speaker 2: but it was the headaches. I think she was worried

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she was very very ill. She was very very

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Speaker 6: concerned about her own health and safety. This is a

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Speaker 6: hell she got sick.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: My stomach feels fine, although at one point she said

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Speaker 1: No, this is just weird. I'm dizzy in my head.

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Speaker 2: My eyes are working slowly, my body's responding slowly. I

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Speaker 2: feel drugged. Response from husband, the family man, Dennis. Given

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Speaker 2: our history, I know that must be triggering. Just for

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Speaker 2: the record, I didn't drug you. Whoa okay? As Shakespeare

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Speaker 2: said me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: That does protest too much, you know, like when a

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Speaker 1: Anyway, let's get back to it. Listen.

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Speaker 9: She was complaining of having a really nasty headache. She

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Speaker 9: was also complaining about her eyesight. She was having trouble focusing.

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Speaker 9: She said that she felt tingly. She said that she

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Speaker 9: and then there's some conversation about maybe she's diabetic. No

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Speaker 9: these horrendous symptoms. She goes back a few days later,

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Speaker 9: March ninth, same symptoms, nausea, dizziness, headache, even some vomiting. Again,

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Speaker 2: There you see doctor Chevon Scott with us, who just

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Speaker 2: dropped a Bombshelle mommie about the WW syndrome, whiny woman syndrome.

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Speaker 2: Now we're on round three. Okay, she's at the hospital

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Speaker 1: When you're dying. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, just a horrifying, horrifying situation for a young woman

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Speaker 8: to be in with no explanation. It's hard to imagine

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Speaker 2: Eric fattis joining me, high profile try lawyer, TV legal

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Speaker 2: analysts founding partner Varner Fattus elite legal, former felony prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: Eric, Don't you just hate it when you're own client.

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Speaker 2: He's not charged with anything out of the blue, said

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Speaker 2: I didn't drug you, because that's what he said.

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Speaker 1: Nobody said he did drug anybody.

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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden he goes, just, FYI, I

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Speaker 2: didn't drug you. If my husband said FYI I didn't

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Speaker 2: drug you, I'm going to need a defense attorney, because

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Speaker 2: who would jump up and say that unless they drug

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's a curious statement, certainly suspicious in the

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Speaker 10: eyes of many, you know. On the other hand, I

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Speaker 10: think his defense is going to argue that the merriage

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Speaker 10: was on the rocks, things were tense, things were dicey,

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Speaker 10: is not lost on triggering.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know how that got popular triggering.

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Speaker 2: For both parties. Are you telling me he the dentist

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Speaker 2: is triggered? What are you talking about? Why she's dead?

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Speaker 1: Okay, why are you talking about him getting triggered?

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Speaker 5: This conversation proceeded the death.

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Speaker 10: What I was saying is that, you know, when the

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Speaker 10: relationship is super rocky, sometimes when there are serious medical

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Speaker 10: events that come up, or just serious life events, those

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Speaker 10: things can add to the tenseness of the situation, the

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Speaker 10: distress as well, and sometimes things come.

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Speaker 1: Out rocky rocky.

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Speaker 2: That's what you call a string of mistresses rocky, that's

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Speaker 2: more like an earthquake.

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Speaker 10: It is a serious event which just could have further

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Speaker 10: been destabilizing for the relationship. When something serious happens when

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Speaker 10: your spouse is sick, I think defense is going to

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Speaker 10: argue that, hey, things were really distressing yours heightened emotionality,

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Speaker 10: and sometimes people just say things.

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Speaker 5: That's at least some defense, so likely for him.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?

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Speaker 11: My name is doctor Jim Craig and I practice as

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Speaker 11: summer Brook Dental Group. My approach to dentistry begins with

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Speaker 11: sincerely listening to the patient and wanting to find out

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Speaker 11: more about where they're coming from and what they're looking

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Speaker 11: for and what they want.

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Speaker 2: That's from the official Summerbrook Dentistry Facebook page.

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Speaker 1: I want to go straight.

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Speaker 2: Out to Phil Waters, former homicide detective from the Houston

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Speaker 2: PD President CEO Kindred Spirits Investigations and Security.

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Speaker 1: Phil.

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Speaker 2: I know that Eric Fattis is going to turn purple

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Speaker 2: and tell me this means nothing. But when your husband,

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Speaker 2: the dentist who sits on one of those little roly

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Speaker 1: Just where we're getting that. Do you see somebody's pumping

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Speaker 2: I'm sure in your residency and in practicing medicine, you've

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Speaker 1: Pictures entirely unusual. Yes, doctor Hyoto.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen someone take photos of their wife

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that happen, doctor Shaoto?

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Speaker 1: No, I haven't either.

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Speaker 2: I have investigated, prosecuted, and covered. I can't even count

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Speaker 2: Stephan Tubbs said, that was when the weirdness was marked

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a puzzle to me as well, because it

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Speaker 8: None of us can put ourselves in that situation and

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Speaker 13: Well, why if Angela is fighting for her life in

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's.

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Speaker 2: So hard on a mistress when she has to pretend

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Speaker 2: Act like we're just friends when we're so much more.

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Speaker 2: Has everybody lost their minds?

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Speaker 10: On the surface, certainly problematic. It's going to be difficult

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Speaker 2: just a moment to your doctor, chauven Scott. Many women

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Speaker 1: That says it all. But some women would prefer the husband,

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Speaker 2: You earlier heard podcast The Star of Arsenic Dds Stephan

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Speaker 1: Again, that wasn't his first. He was accused of calling.

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Speaker 1: Are the facts that bad in the.

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Speaker 6: Angela Craig is experiencing. She then calls Redfern the partner,

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Speaker 6: and that's how the domino start to fall.

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Speaker 1: Hey, joining me.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Ernest Toyoto attorney, physician, biomedical engineer, toxicologist and author

443
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Speaker 2: of Toxic Torque, Medical and Legal Elements. Doctor Toyoto explain

444
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: what the symptoms of that particular poison would be.

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Speaker 15: Well, there's a number of different poisons involved, but cyanide

446
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 15: you just really have very rare at the loss of

447
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 15: blood pressure, loss of consciousness, and very rapid depth arsnic

448
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Speaker 15: You tend to get peripheral neuropathy, you get burning in

449
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 15: the the in your hands and feet. It's more of

450
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Speaker 15: a slow poison. It's really interesting. Is a tetrahydral zoline,

451
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Speaker 15: which is interestingly found in eye drops to get the

452
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Speaker 15: redness out of your eyes. It's a it's a what

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Speaker 15: they call an alpha agonist. It causes constriction of blood

454
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Speaker 15: vessels and that causes confusion, can cause loss of consciousness, coma,

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Speaker 15: And that sounds a lot more like the symptoms that

456
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Speaker 15: she was having in the hospital the wife.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we look carefully at the movements and the actions

458
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Speaker 2: leading up to her last hospitalization and what led up

459
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Speaker 2: to the previous two hospitalizations.

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Speaker 14: Listen, the husband and wife go for a run or

461
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 14: hit the gym together almost every day, and when they

462
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 14: return home, James Craig makes protein shakes or fruit smoothies

463
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Speaker 14: for breakfast while Angela delves into getting the kids ready.

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Speaker 5: For the day.

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Speaker 9: We think he was using to poison Angula over the

466
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Speaker 9: course of several weeks, actually including it in her protein shapes,

467
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Speaker 9: even helping her along or trying to reassure her when

468
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Speaker 9: she was complaining of sickness, dizziness, nauga, he was sort

469
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Speaker 9: of still encouraging her to drink fluid.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something, Stephan Tubbs joining me. Isn't

471
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Speaker 2: it true that on a prior occasion she had gotten

472
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Speaker 2: stabilized and then he goes out and comes back and

473
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: brings her food like a doting husband in the hospital,

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Speaker 2: and suddenly she goes into seizures.

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Speaker 6: That's true. Yeah, she was in the hospital. Remember three

476
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 6: different times. She was in the hospital, three different times.

477
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Speaker 6: The affidavit, which reads like a bad Hollywood script, it

478
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 6: looks like investigators feel she is consistently being offered the

479
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 6: food and in primary fashion, the protein shakes while she's

480
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 6: in and keep in mind all of these text messages

481
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Speaker 6: that are going back and forth. Do you feel like

482
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Speaker 6: a smoothie? Is there anything I can bring you? And

483
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Speaker 6: this goes on for the better part of the month

484
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Speaker 6: of March.

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Speaker 2: Stephan Tubbs are you telling me he would email her

486
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Speaker 2: or text her in the hospital say can I bring

487
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Speaker 2: you a smoothie?

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Speaker 6: One thousand percent That is in the affidavit. I've seen

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Speaker 6: the screenshots of the text messages. She's in the hospital

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Speaker 6: three different times. There's text messaging, I mean dozens and

491
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Speaker 6: dozens of them, if not hundreds of them, going back

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Speaker 6: and forth. Do you feel like something? What do you

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Speaker 6: feel like? Can I bring you anything? And it was

494
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Speaker 6: usually in the form of a smoothie, And then.

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Speaker 1: The other shoe drops listen.

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Speaker 3: With suspicions raised, Angela Craig is sent for an autopsy.

497
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: The additional toxicology screening test revealed the otherwise healthy mom

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Speaker 3: of six died of poisoning from both sinide and tetrahydrozolene,

499
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: a common ingredient in eye drops. While investigators have no

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Speaker 3: definitive evidence Angela's food and drinks were poisoned with cyanide.

501
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: The test reveal her sinide levels increased while she was

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Speaker 3: in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Stephan Tubbs, her levels increased while she's in the hospital.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that was probably the biggest shocker in

505
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Speaker 6: a shocking story in the Denver metro area that we

506
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 6: got wored and read the autopsy. Her levels of cyanide

507
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 6: increased while she's.

508
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Speaker 5: In the hospital.

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Speaker 6: I mean to me, it was and remains unprecedented. I've

510
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 6: never heard a story like that. And doctors didn't know

511
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Speaker 6: again what they were looking for, right, And it was

512
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Speaker 6: just when the domino started to fall and people started

513
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 6: to talk the business partner that they started to look into.

514
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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, these are the signs of poisoning. And

515
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 6: certainly we know what the auto but I.

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Speaker 2: Mean to me, Stephan, it would all blow up when

517
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Speaker 2: the dental assistant opens up a package and it's cyanide.

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00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 6: Oh remember though, Nancy, it was supposed to be a

519
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 6: ring for Angela. I mean, the Kakamami stories just were

520
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 6: over and over.

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Speaker 1: Where do you get cyanide?

522
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: Stephan? You can just order it up on Amazon. I mean,

523
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: where do you get cyanide?

524
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 6: So one of the two there were purchase orders for

525
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 6: Amazon dot com, which was amazing. I can't believe it

526
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 6: was either cyanide or the potassium show.

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00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: That was a joke. Are you serious? You can get

528
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: cyanide on Amazon?

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Speaker 6: There you go right there on your screen. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 6: going to buy this on Amazon. First of all, somebody

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Speaker 6: bezos arsenic? Yeah arsenic?

532
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 5: But you yeah? And then look at this.

533
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: Podcast left inside residence's mailbox. So I guess he thought

534
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: he was being super smart by having it delivered to

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Speaker 2: the dentist office so his wife wouldn't find arsenic. Right,

536
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: don't open this, Okay, So what happens Stephan when the

537
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: dental assistant opens up a box and it's arsenic?

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Speaker 6: I think her eyes abow bugged out of her head,

539
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 6: is what happened. She sees this package, she opens it up.

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00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 6: Another office assistant came in and said, you weren't supposed

541
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Speaker 6: to open that. Well, cats out of the bag. She

542
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 6: sees the skull and crossbones, and then she again puts

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00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 6: the pieces together. Wait a minute, potassium cyanide. She calls

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Speaker 6: doctor Redfern, the partner of Jim Craig and says, uh,

545
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 6: you got a package here, and then that's where you

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00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 6: fast forward, you know. Redfern confronts Jim Craig and says,

547
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Speaker 6: why are you buying potassium cyanide for the dental practice?

548
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 6: And of course the lie was, oh, that's really it's

549
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 6: a gift. It was it was a ring for Angela.

550
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 6: Well there was no ring inside.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Earnest Schioto joining us, a renowned physician and lawyer

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Speaker 2: and author. Doctor Chioto she couldn't taste something odd in

553
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: her protein shakes. I mean, what does arsenic or cyanide taste.

554
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 15: Arsenake is going to taste sort of have a garlet

555
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 15: sort of taste, whereas cyanide really wouldn't. Sometimes it is

556
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 15: an order of bitter almonds. So whether or not she

557
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 15: could taste the arsenake or cyanide would really be a

558
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 15: matter of how much was in the shape. This small

559
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 15: amount you may not taste it.

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Speaker 9: He clearly thought he was more intelligent than he was.

561
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 9: He was using a different computer in his dentist practice,

562
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 9: the one that he owned, and then he had this

563
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 9: alternate email address. I think it was something along the

564
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Speaker 9: lenes of Jim and Waffles at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 16: At gmail or at aol or at hotmail dot com.

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Speaker 16: I don't recall which you exactly, but hardly a criminal mastermind.

567
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 16: He was actually in two million dollars of personal debt,

568
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 16: and it was because he made some really terrible investments

569
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 16: in some dodgy cryptocurrency turned out to be worth absolutely nothing.

570
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 16: He gambled the family part with these really risky investment choices.

571
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Speaker 9: And then by the time we came to find out

572
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 9: about him, he.

573
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: Was really up to his neck.

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Speaker 9: He filed for personal bankruptcy, he foiled it for professional bankruptcy.

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars. Eric fattis renowned attorney. Don't you just

576
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: hate it when your mastermind client just uses a fake

577
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: email to find out all about Cyanide and order arsenic

578
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: from Amazon.

579
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Speaker 1: That really worked.

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: You know that there is a potential alternsive explanation as

582
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 10: to why I was doing that. As we've talked about,

583
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 10: his marriage of twenty three years was on the rocks.

584
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 10: He had filed for bankruptcy twice, He had a history

585
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Speaker 10: of depression. Sinide can be used to hurt others, but

586
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 10: I can also be used to hurt oneself, and that's

587
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 10: something that one might not want to broadcast to other

588
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 10: people and might use surreptitious means to try to procure,

589
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 10: which it sounds like you do.

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00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: You know, Eric, you know something you've got to tell

591
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: and I better better inform you about it before you

592
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: go to Vegas. The crazier your arguments get, the faster

593
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: you talk. And I love that about you. And I'm

594
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: telling you because I really don't think you can stop yourself.

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00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: But that said, so you're suggesting now, you're just spinning

596
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: it out right, like you're throwing a frisbee. You're just

597
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: throwing it at me that he really ordered the cyanide

598
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: and the arsenic for himself, right.

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00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: You're equally consistent with that? Well, what about this?

600
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a client try to suborn perjury?

601
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: Kind of a deal? Dancers for perjury? Listen?

602
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 17: According to prosecutors, this isn't the first time James Craig

603
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 17: has tried to recruit fake witnesses. James Craig gets friendly

604
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 17: with several inmates at the Arapa Ho Detention Center and

605
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 17: learns William Billy Walden's mother hates her dentures but can't

606
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 17: afford implants. Craig asks Walden to let him talk to

607
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 17: his mom the next time he gives her a call.

608
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 17: Over the phone, Craig tells Rebecca Walden he'll give her

609
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 17: a brand new set of teeth when he gets out,

610
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 17: saying he's certain to get off because he didn't kill

611
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 17: his wife. Craig gets Walden's address and tells her he'll

612
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 17: give her more details in a letter.

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Speaker 1: So Faddest Dancers for Perjury.

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Speaker 10: Thoughts not the best deal, certainly a bad look. But

615
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 10: on the other hand, defense is going to say, hey,

616
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 10: look he was He's been in jail for a long time.

617
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 10: He's been adamant about his innocence. He's getting desperate. He

618
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 10: needs to do something to try to change things. And

619
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Speaker 10: this is the sort of hair brain scheme.

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Speaker 5: He came up with. It's problematic, but doesn't mean he

621
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Speaker 5: committed murder.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I had a funny feeling you would say that

623
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: about the dentures for perjury scheme? Well, what about hatties

624
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: for dentures Hatties ato t t I E S Listen Fattest.

625
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 14: In early twenty twenty four, a letter from Craig to

626
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 14: Rebecca Walden inmate William Walden's mother was returned to the

627
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 14: Rapahoe Detention Center as undeliverable. The letter contains an offer

628
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 14: to provide Rebecca Walden with free dental implants if she

629
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 14: recruits several young, attractive women to pose as Craig's affair partners.

630
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 14: Craig instructs Walden to have the women tell authorities that

631
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 14: Angela confronted them about Craig's affairs, then recruited them to

632
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 14: help her frame Craig for her murder.

633
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: Okay, what happens, Stephan Tubbs? Where do the hotties enter

634
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Speaker 2: the scene in.

635
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 6: A desperate plea to get out of the Arapaho County jail.

636
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 6: I mean, at this point, there's no death penalty in Colorado.

637
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: He has nothing to lose. He's been accused of trying

638
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 5: a solicitation for murder of the lead detective in this

639
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not just the hotties or the free

640
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: teeth or whatever.

641
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 6: Jim Craig is trying any way that he can, at

642
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 6: least according to those of us following the case closely

643
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 6: watching him do whatever he can to possibly grasp at

644
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 6: straws to convince one juror once this thing finally.

645
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 5: Starts to create that doubt.

646
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 6: But It's been crazy. The hits just keep on coming.

647
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 6: I literally less than two weeks ago had a guy

648
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 6: reach out to me. Don't know him from anybody, he says, Hey,

649
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 6: I was serving in the Appaho County detention facility with

650
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 6: Craig until last October.

651
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 5: You won't believe what he told me. He even gave

652
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 5: me a letter. It's crazy and it continues.

653
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: In the letters to Constantiniis, Craig offers a blank check

654
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: in exchange for spoofed texts, phone records, and doctored photographs

655
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: that can help convince authorities. Constantinidis knew Angela in life

656
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: and that the mom of six was suicidal after learning

657
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Speaker 3: of his latest affair. Craig details some of his previous

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Speaker 3: affairs in the letter, admitting he first cheated on Angela

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Speaker 3: with a patient in two thousand and nine, and provides

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Speaker 3: personal information about his children in an attempt to make

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Speaker 3: their lives seem credible.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, an Aurora, Colorado, Dennist's lawyer

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Speaker 2: withdraws from the case after his arson arrest. Also, we've

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Speaker 2: learned that Craig's initial November twenty twenty fourth trial was

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Speaker 2: thrown off the rails when his then attorney cited new

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Speaker 2: information from discovery that compelled him to step down. Gee

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Speaker 2: like what he did it now, Workings withdrawal after the

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Speaker 2: arson marks another example of a lawyer leaving Craig's defense

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Speaker 2: team just as it's about to go to trial.

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Speaker 1: Craig has a.

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Speaker 2: Slew of charges against him in addition to murder, soliciting,

672
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Speaker 2: tampering with evidence, perjury, another case, another charge of soliciting murder,

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Speaker 2: attempting to arrange multiple murders from behind bars. Now, in

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Speaker 2: another bizarre twist, after the lawyer Working's arrest, his wife,

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Speaker 2: Lisa Moses, who is co counsel for Craig, remains on

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Speaker 2: the case. She's there still with attorney Ashley with them

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Speaker 2: and they will represent Craig moving into the trial. Now,

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Speaker 2: all the documents related to the arson had been sealed

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Speaker 2: for some reason, claiming it is connected to the murder

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Speaker 2: trial in some way. There's no doubt, according to reports,

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Speaker 2: that it was an arson because fire crews found evidence

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Speaker 2: of an incendiary accelerant that means gas or tiling or

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Speaker 2: some flammable liquid, and that raises questions about exactly what went.

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Speaker 1: On that night. That's said I'm going to go.

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Speaker 2: Back to Eric Faddis, veteran trial lawyer defense attorney. In

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Speaker 2: all seriousness, I've been pulling your leg a little bit

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Speaker 2: with the fantastical nature of some of the facts we're learning.

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Speaker 2: But we have a mother of six dead, not just dead,

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Speaker 2: but suffering for months from sinaide and artistic poisoning before

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Speaker 2: she died.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you say it's not the husband. I say it is.

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Speaker 2: He's still innocent. He has not been proven guilty in

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Speaker 2: a court of law. But let's just take a look

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Speaker 2: at what we're hearing right now. Not only did he

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Speaker 2: try to arrange quote Hattie's attractive women to claim they

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Speaker 2: were his sex partners to tell authorities his dead wife

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Speaker 2: confronted him about his affairs and that she was going

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Speaker 2: to commit suicide. So your suicide fantasy is actually hatching

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Speaker 2: and the defendant's mind. All right, So he's taking your queue.

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Speaker 2: But he's soliciting suborning, for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 2: perjury by Hatties to say his dead wife confronted them.

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Speaker 2: Not only that he has a dancers for perjury scheme

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Speaker 2: with somebody else. Now we're learning, according to Stephan Tubbs,

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Speaker 2: we're learning he tried to order a hit on a detective.

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Speaker 2: Have a detective murdered?

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Speaker 1: What about it?

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Speaker 10: You know, I think what he'll say is that a

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Speaker 10: person who feels that they are innocent, they are being railroaded,

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Speaker 10: They have been in jail for a long period of time,

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Speaker 10: months and months, that they don't feel like they have

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Speaker 10: a way to get out, They're going to resort to

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Speaker 10: desperate acts. And perhaps in his mind he thought that, hey,

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Speaker 10: if I eliminate the head hon show in this investigation,

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Speaker 10: perhaps the investigation falls apart of certainly not lawful, certainly

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Speaker 10: not okay, but but but also not the same thing

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Speaker 10: as proving him guilty of murdering his What.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Earnest Chaoto joining US renowned physician and author not

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Speaker 2: a Saoto, what does a victim experience as they die

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Speaker 2: from cyanide or arsenic poisoning?

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Speaker 15: Well, if it's they're they're going to be different. Arsenic

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Speaker 15: is going to be sort of a slow, agonizing gap,

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Speaker 15: or as cyanide is going to be very rapid. You know,

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Speaker 15: you're you're really going to end up with sufficient cyanide,

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Speaker 15: You're going to end up dying with the moments. So

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Speaker 15: they're really two different types of gap due to two

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Speaker 15: very different.

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Speaker 2: Toxic pheil waters joining us form a homicide detective Houston, PD,

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Speaker 2: President of Kindred Spirits Investigations dot com. You know, you

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Speaker 2: and I have handled a lot of murders, a lot

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Speaker 2: of homicides, be they involuntary, voluntary, or mouse murder.

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Speaker 1: It takes a special kind of mind, would.

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Speaker 2: You agree, Phil? This is not getting angry and pulling

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Speaker 2: a gun and shooting. This is months and months of planning,

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Speaker 2: of scheming, of Google searches, and lovingly feeding your wife

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Speaker 2: protein shakes laced with poison and then watching her suffer.

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Speaker 5: Phil, well, exactly, you know this is a This is

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Speaker 5: an evil act on this guy's part.

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Speaker 12: I won't even recognize him by saying his name, and

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Speaker 12: we see this.

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Speaker 5: This is a he is obsessed with killing his wife,

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Speaker 5: murdering his wife, the mother of his six children. And

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Speaker 5: this is something that for as you put it, for months,

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Speaker 5: has been thinking about this every minute of every day.

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Speaker 5: And so when he's going into these.

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Speaker 12: Search engines and trying to figure out what kind of

746
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Speaker 12: poison is the best one he's and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 12: I'll tell you what, It's just I hope he's a

748
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Speaker 12: better dentist than he was a murderer, because what he

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Speaker 12: did is idiotic in terms of trying to accomplish the task,

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Speaker 12: which is murder his wife and try to have some

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Speaker 12: sort of a story that's going to take the suspicion

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Speaker 12: away from you. Everything he did in the process here

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Speaker 12: pointed to him. So when we get in these investigations,

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Speaker 12: we always look for affirmative links. We let the evidence

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Speaker 12: take us where we need to be, and it's always

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Speaker 12: a journey for the truth. In this particular, I listened

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Speaker 12: to the defense with all due to respect. These episodes

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Speaker 12: of isolation that we're talking about, where you know, he's

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Speaker 12: cheat and that didn't make him a murder and.

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Speaker 5: So forth and so on.

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Speaker 12: This has to be looked at in a timeline of events.

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Speaker 12: If we can determine when this started, and then of

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Speaker 12: course we know where it ended and what were the

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Speaker 12: events that occurred in between that got us to that point.

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Speaker 12: You know, this taking pictures and so forth of the

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Speaker 12: of his wife in the hospital when she's dying. You know,

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Speaker 12: when I was listening to that discussion, I'm more prone

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Speaker 12: to believe that he was going to use those pictures

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Speaker 12: to gain some sympathy.

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Speaker 5: From the woman that he was wanting to squire around.

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Speaker 12: So you know, he had a purpose for all the

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Speaker 12: things that he did, and it was just it was

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Speaker 12: just kind of stupid.

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Speaker 5: Is as stupid does.

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Speaker 12: It just continued to get more idiotic as he went

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Speaker 12: through this process, thinking that what people are going to

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Speaker 12: believe this story that he's come up.

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Speaker 2: With, And and you know another thing, feel as you

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Speaker 2: and I you as a homicide detective, me as a

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Speaker 2: felony prosecutor, we would go about our business every day

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Speaker 2: not thinking that an inmate behind bars is trying to

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Speaker 2: have us killed, have us killed to thwart the investigation.

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Speaker 2: I bet you never thought about that while you were detecting.

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Speaker 5: No, when I.

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Speaker 12: Worked in narcotics, I did have a contract put out

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Speaker 12: on me, so I'm a little familiar with it.

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Speaker 2: But we all, for Pete's sake, we've all gotten death rests.

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Speaker 1: The first one I had was faxed over from the

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Speaker 1: Fulton County Jail. Didn't take too much to figure that

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Speaker 1: one out.

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Speaker 2: But Roance, Yes, Yes, the level of arrogance to think

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Speaker 2: he can get away with everything and fix it all

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Speaker 2: by doing a dentures for perjury scheme and having the

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Speaker 2: lead detective murdered. This woman is dead and probably her

795
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Speaker 2: last thoughts were, Who's going to take care of my children?

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Speaker 2: This murder trial is going forward, come hell or high water.

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00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds. Now, when I said Friday

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Speaker 2: Night special, see this was special.

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Speaker 1: You believe me. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye,