Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of
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Speaker 1: print tell me, uh, tell me what you've got on
Speaker 1: your chain? All parts of it? That's called a watch fob,
Speaker 1: watch fob. I got a pocket watch on the long
Speaker 1: tucked into the top poultry overall, ye, and then there's
Speaker 1: a watch fob there for decoration, and that is a
Speaker 1: sterling silver coon. I just tolice that for the first
Speaker 1: time today. Where'd you get that? That was a Follow's
Speaker 1: Day present? Really? Where could a man acquire a sterling
Speaker 1: raccoon fob? That? Could the fob come out of Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: but the pocket watch come from London, England? Really, if
Speaker 1: he wasn't so young, you had seen more of them
Speaker 1: all old timers used to wear them in their overalls,
Speaker 1: have the chain on the watch and had something that
Speaker 1: would have stuff, you know, something on the end of
Speaker 1: you could probably order that through night lot, Mike, could
Speaker 1: this right here? Um is? I can't remember? You know
Speaker 1: all this? This watch is made in England and it's
Speaker 1: hard to find a watch it. Well, I'm gonna put it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a little video of your of your
Speaker 1: raccoon on my Instagram. So, hey, welcome to the Bear
Speaker 1: Grease Render Podcast. Mile mind. Do we have a great
Speaker 1: show today? We've got a a not so normal group
Speaker 1: of people. Usually have that defense. Don't take offense at that, guys,
Speaker 1: Well I do, I do know. So we we've got
Speaker 1: We've got one guest too. I'm gonna always introduce our
Speaker 1: guests at the end. Okay, so I have we have
Speaker 1: one guest here who is this is first time. Usually
Speaker 1: the group of guys that are here and woman, my
Speaker 1: wife is usually on the podcast. We kind of have
Speaker 1: my dad, Gary nucle my wife, Misty, uh Josh Spillmaker,
Speaker 1: Brent Reeves, and then the sixth person kind of comes
Speaker 1: in and out as a as a special guest. A
Speaker 1: lot of times it's Isaac Neil, but today is way different.
Speaker 1: Uh Me and Brent are the only regulars. Now, you
Speaker 1: guys are almost regulars, and I'll introduce that. But to
Speaker 1: my left, Brent Reeves. Good see Brent beards looking nice
Speaker 1: and trim looks. We get a little haircut. Okay, yesterday
Speaker 1: I went and got got my hair pools. What my
Speaker 1: grandmother would say when she went to the beauty parlor,
Speaker 1: I don't I go to a barbershop? Sure enough, barbershop.
Speaker 1: Had you clarified that? To your left, Rusty Johnson, Old buddy, Rusty,
Speaker 1: you've been on the Render one time and then you've
Speaker 1: been on the Bear Grease podcast at least once. Because
Speaker 1: you're a white tail secret keeper. H do have secrets.
Speaker 1: You're the ultimate white tail secret keeper. So special guests
Speaker 1: who have not named yet, we did a whole podcast
Speaker 1: on white Tail Secrets and basically explored how and why
Speaker 1: people keep secrets, and how we distribute those secrets and
Speaker 1: how relationally as humans there's some like deep like psychological
Speaker 1: DNA stuff about who we tell stuff too. And so Rusty,
Speaker 1: uh he was one of our feature guests on the
Speaker 1: White Tail Secrets podcast, So we can get back to that.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna crack some of those secrets today for sure. Good.
Speaker 1: So to your left is rust and Johnson, rust and
Speaker 1: rustys Son, Yeah, and uh Man good to see you, bro,
Speaker 1: it's good to see you too. I get some intel
Speaker 1: on some of those secrets, but I don't think all
Speaker 1: of them really. Yeah, he tells you everything he knows.
Speaker 1: He doesn't keep anything from me. He's kind of right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd say maybe most, but no, the secrets are real,
Speaker 1: The white tail secrets are real. They're for real. I
Speaker 1: would in tend to agree. I get a lot of
Speaker 1: pictures from people on my phone and big Bucks and
Speaker 1: my my first my first question, Hey where's that at?
Speaker 1: And it's crickets. I mean there's there's no more answer.
Speaker 1: I mean I asked another question and it just it's
Speaker 1: just like it's like that takes killed. It's cricket. It's well,
Speaker 1: I got a brag on rust and rust and have
Speaker 1: you graduated from law school yet? I finally graduated. Really,
Speaker 1: let's lose some let's do it. So man, that's a
Speaker 1: big deal. Yeah, Russa is a whitetail guru, killer and
Speaker 1: a lawyer. Yeah, I'm taking the barks in February about
Speaker 1: taking it. Ye, I was supposed to take it back
Speaker 1: in July, but I got COVID and kind of stunted
Speaker 1: my study in so I just put a deferment in
Speaker 1: and taking it in February so we can't. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: doing that, you can just defend most shepherd when they
Speaker 1: finally come after him. Yeah, I might need a good lawyer.
Speaker 1: Uh No, that's that's a quite an accomplishment. Man. How
Speaker 1: old are you married to kids that try out Rutt
Speaker 1: and Huntly? If that tells you anything about me? My kids? Incredible, incredible.
Speaker 1: You know, I took a little bit of persecution from
Speaker 1: a few people who remain unnamed. Uh when we named
Speaker 1: our children, which were I've got a sun named Bear,
Speaker 1: daughter named River Willow. But I like it hunt That's
Speaker 1: say their names again, So I had I had my
Speaker 1: daughter first, her name is Huntley Huntley, and you know,
Speaker 1: that's just that's good. But I remember on our hunt
Speaker 1: in December, I was excited to tell y'all and y'all
Speaker 1: came down with fire. I said, I'm naming my son's
Speaker 1: bow hunter and y'all were like, oh, no, no, one
Speaker 1: straight up, just bow hunter first name, bow Hunter. And yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone at the camp was like, oh, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So I backtracked just a little bit and it's Rutt.
Speaker 1: Now are ut? So I got Rusty, Rustin and Rutt.
Speaker 1: My son's name is Drake Hunter. You're yeah, that's when
Speaker 1: I was good and it was a full time guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I know him. Its hunter. And I thought
Speaker 1: my name was go get Wood till I was like fourteen.
Speaker 1: Mine still is that? Uh so rust and your your
Speaker 1: wife's all on board with with with these names. Oh,
Speaker 1: that was the first date conversation for date. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: said I'm a hunter and she said, oh, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I said, no, you don't realize. Yeah, I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a deer hunter. Right, that's good stuff. Great, well, skipping
Speaker 1: our our guests, who will introduce at the end? Mos Shepherd? Man,
Speaker 1: you be you're you're an old you're an old regular
Speaker 1: on here. Yeah, you're you're when you can't findbody else,
Speaker 1: you called me, so that's right, that's right. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll call MO now. And to Mos. Right
Speaker 1: is Ralphmaker of the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. And
Speaker 1: now you are the what's your title? You're the dear
Speaker 1: biologist of state. Dear what state Deer Program Coordinator, State
Speaker 1: dear program coordinator. Man, We're honored to have you today. Man,
Speaker 1: I got a question for right off the bad. Well,
Speaker 1: let the man introduce himself. Learning I'm happy to be
Speaker 1: here away. Yeah. So you've you grew up in Arkansas
Speaker 1: your whole life. Yes, yeah, I'm from Sebastian County. Uh,
Speaker 1: born raised in Greenwood, of course, went off to college
Speaker 1: and uh got to live several places around the state.
Speaker 1: And Uh, I think I'm up to fifty two counties
Speaker 1: now where I've harvested the deer two out of seventy.
Speaker 1: I just love hunting everywhere. I mean, this state is
Speaker 1: so diverse. Um. I was telling somebody the other day that,
Speaker 1: you know, there are very few states that you can
Speaker 1: hunt uh deer, whitetail, deer, turkeys, uh, bear, elk an alligator.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, all in the same state. And the
Speaker 1: habitats that we have, and the people, uh the communities. Um.
Speaker 1: I just I just love traveling the state and hunting
Speaker 1: different places. All right, Editor, cut all that out. We
Speaker 1: can't tell all these people to come to Arkansas. We're
Speaker 1: supposed to tell him how hard it is. It's a
Speaker 1: correct place. I mean it's amazing. Uh when when I
Speaker 1: go to different meetings and meet different deer biologists and
Speaker 1: talk to them, Um, you know there. Of course, they're
Speaker 1: all proud of their state. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you know, they're like, man, I'm coming to
Speaker 1: Arkansas to duck hunt. Uh, you know, is there someplace
Speaker 1: like deer hunt while I'm there? You know, you know,
Speaker 1: dick down. They're they're wanting to come to Arkansas hunt deer. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: how long have you been with the agency? Uh? I'll
Speaker 1: have been with the Game and Fish twenty years in March. Okay,
Speaker 1: how long have you been the deer program coordinator? I
Speaker 1: have actually been in the deer program ten years, a
Speaker 1: little over ten years. I've been the deer program coordinator
Speaker 1: for about five now, five years. Okay, well, I want
Speaker 1: to get up. I guess I'm I'm afraid if I
Speaker 1: start asking you questions, We're gonna bypass a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: I've got a hundred questions I want to ask you
Speaker 1: about Arkansas deer. Yeah, exactly, But your question, this is
Speaker 1: gonna solve the mystery. Okay. Three episodes in a row,
Speaker 1: I've heard on Meat Eat Steve and everybody talking about
Speaker 1: the correct way to spell white tailed? Is it white tailed?
Speaker 1: White dash tailed? White tailed? White tails? I want to
Speaker 1: hear it from the gaff of Arkansas, would you write
Speaker 1: a report it is what dash tailed and that's the
Speaker 1: way it's official. That is the correct spelling of white
Speaker 1: tailed deer on the calendar. So so from a grammar perspective,
Speaker 1: there would be two adjectives that would describe the deer.
Speaker 1: So there would be a dash white tailed deer, and
Speaker 1: it's and it's only those adjectives. I used to be
Speaker 1: an editor, wouldn't God, that's very good. And it's only
Speaker 1: capitalized if you use it at the beginning of the sentence,
Speaker 1: So if he comes in the middle of sentence, it's
Speaker 1: it's a lowercase W. Man problem solved there, you go, Well,
Speaker 1: I guess cloak coolly. We've we've we've turned the term
Speaker 1: white tail into like a single word. Even with like
Speaker 1: North American white Tail the magazine, it's spelled as one word. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: But but the great thing about it is when you
Speaker 1: say white tail, everyone knows what you're talkingly. No matter
Speaker 1: how you spell it or how many hyphens you put
Speaker 1: in it. It's it's universally known. I can hear the
Speaker 1: dash in there when you say it. Now you know
Speaker 1: what it is. It white tailed d y E d
Speaker 1: so not white tailed deer, white tailed deer, tailed, white tailed.
Speaker 1: That adds like another syllable. It's gonna yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: say that very white tailed deer. So I got a
Speaker 1: lot of edits to make because I wrote a law
Speaker 1: review article with white tail just one word, and I
Speaker 1: got an A on it. But really they didn't call
Speaker 1: you out for it. Well, your third child could be
Speaker 1: called white tailed John. There we go, and probably not
Speaker 1: probably work work, So I said, I saw in the
Speaker 1: beginning of this white tailed, white tailed Deer Stories, white
Speaker 1: Tailed Deer Stories podcast that we just did add this
Speaker 1: collection storytellers, and you guys all heard the intro where, uh,
Speaker 1: I've made the statement that the white tailed deer hunting
Speaker 1: culture of North America is really unparalleled in the world
Speaker 1: in terms of hunting culture. Do you guys agree with that? Ralph?
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Absolutely? You know what the
Speaker 1: white tailed deer is actually the is the state animal
Speaker 1: of nine different states. Okay, I mean that's including including Arkansas.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I mean it's uh, I mean people
Speaker 1: take great pride in the white tailed deer. It's the
Speaker 1: number one sought after big game species in the world. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing when when you talk about worldwide stuff,
Speaker 1: us been from America. Sometimes we don't have insight into
Speaker 1: exactly how things are done in other places. Obviously we're
Speaker 1: not experts on it. But you know, in Africa, for instance,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hunting that goes on there. But
Speaker 1: it's it's it's seems to be much more general, like
Speaker 1: they're after a suite of species um And certainly they
Speaker 1: hunt specific animals in Europe and the red the red
Speaker 1: deer and all kinds of stuff. But white tail deer,
Speaker 1: I feel like, is the y geographic distribution of the
Speaker 1: white tail in North America coupled with liberal hunting seasons,
Speaker 1: big populations like we don't realize how good we have it,
Speaker 1: even in the midst of us really value and deer,
Speaker 1: Like everybody in this room and a lot of people
Speaker 1: listen to this really value dear. But when I I
Speaker 1: do have a lot of friends that don't live in
Speaker 1: the United States, and when they when they hear that
Speaker 1: I hunt deer on my seven acres that I own
Speaker 1: in my backyard, is just mind boggling, And it's super common.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's it really is an
Speaker 1: incredible thing. And I said something else that that we're
Speaker 1: in the heyday of white tail deer hunting. Ralph, do
Speaker 1: you think that's a crab statement. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, um,
Speaker 1: we estimate or state farm estimates. So we we hit
Speaker 1: about twenty two thousand deer each year in Arkansas alone.
Speaker 1: We it wasn't until of the late mid to late
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies that thoud deer were harvested statewide, and we're
Speaker 1: hitting that many on the highways alone, just in Arkansas.
Speaker 1: In Arkansas harvest harvest being that lower lower, like he said,
Speaker 1: in the mid seventies or before. I mean, it's it's phenomenal,
Speaker 1: phenomenal in the last you know, hundred years where we
Speaker 1: have come from in deer populations and deer management. Why
Speaker 1: is that like walk me through just kind of at
Speaker 1: a high level, walk someone through from about you know,
Speaker 1: the market hunting days of the late eighteen hundreds to two,
Speaker 1: when we've got deer numbers like we have, Like just
Speaker 1: give us kind of like a high level overview of
Speaker 1: the extra pation, the reintroduction. And you can use Arkansas,
Speaker 1: but you know you can talk about broader picture too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, in the in the late eighteen hundreds
Speaker 1: up into the early nineteen hundreds. Uh. You know, unregulated
Speaker 1: marking hunting was almost the end to a lot of
Speaker 1: our species, not just whitetail deer, you know, black bear, turkeys, um.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, the passenger pigeon, all of these animals,
Speaker 1: black panthers, black panthers. That's right. That that'll be another episode,
Speaker 1: you know, with with Theodore Roosevelt, the Boone and Crockett Club. UM.
Speaker 1: You know, early conservationists really brought forth, um, the idea
Speaker 1: that if we don't take care of it, we're fixing
Speaker 1: to lose it. And so with the passing of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, several exercise tack you know, the Dingle Johnson Act,
Speaker 1: the Pittman Robertson Act, UH, the creation of the Department
Speaker 1: of Interior State Parks, UM. And then you know, soon
Speaker 1: after followed a lot of uh state agencies like the
Speaker 1: Game and Fish In nineteen fifteen, UM, you know, we
Speaker 1: started developing these game refuges, um, you know, places set
Speaker 1: aside both the both federal and state. UH. And they
Speaker 1: really started these restocking efforts and and uh, you know
Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties and thirties that they estimated that
Speaker 1: we had fewer than five deer statewide. And uh so
Speaker 1: you know, going back and doing some research. UM there's
Speaker 1: a great book called Arkansas Wildlife, and it goes into
Speaker 1: a lot of these restocking efforts. But you know, the
Speaker 1: game and fish. They were asking people who had deerest
Speaker 1: pets they wanted to buy them. Uh. We started importing
Speaker 1: deer from Wisconsin, uh, North Carolina, Texas, UM, you know,
Speaker 1: and and uh you know, started stocking these game refuges
Speaker 1: and then wanted to do and then we had these
Speaker 1: game farms where we actually raised deer in pens that
Speaker 1: were captured and then they were uh you know, once
Speaker 1: the fonds were born, we would stock those and then
Speaker 1: we catch deer out of traps in different places like Felsenthal,
Speaker 1: White Rock of northern Franklin County, uh Black Mountain Game Refuge. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so they started moving deer around and populating these areas. Uh.
Speaker 1: And in nineteen thirty eight, we actually started recording, uh
Speaker 1: creating mandatory reporting for deer harvest. And in that year
Speaker 1: we we uh we harvested two hundred and three deer statewide. UH.
Speaker 1: And so from you know the early um, you know,
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties up until really really the nineteen nineties, UH,
Speaker 1: dough harvest was was pretty restricted, and it was for
Speaker 1: you know, the sole purposes of growing our deer population.
Speaker 1: You know, in in uh the late nineteen mid or
Speaker 1: mid I would say mid nineteen nineties, a lot of
Speaker 1: places we realized, how we better get ahold of this
Speaker 1: because the dear population is growing fast. And so then
Speaker 1: we went from growing dear populations, uh to really managing populations,
Speaker 1: molding them into what we what we wanted. And and
Speaker 1: this concept, you know in Texas, Mississippi had been done
Speaker 1: for several years at this point, so we really adopted
Speaker 1: the quality of deer management ideology where we start looking
Speaker 1: at balancing buckado ratios and managing cross age classes and
Speaker 1: protecting younger bucks to get because you know, up until
Speaker 1: the three point rule, about sixty eight percent of the
Speaker 1: bucks that we harvested were a year and a half
Speaker 1: and younger. Uh. Now we routinely rank in the top
Speaker 1: five in the nation, and the percentage of our three
Speaker 1: and a half year old bucks that are harvests so
Speaker 1: we have done a one eight so about about ninety
Speaker 1: six or so rule. The three point rules was ninety eight. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: and so now you know, in two thousand and sixteen, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the bomb got dropped on us and we
Speaker 1: found CWD, and so now we're having to rethink some
Speaker 1: of the things that we have really promoted in the past. Uh,
Speaker 1: in order to combat, you know, the spread of CWD. So, UM,
Speaker 1: you know, I and I tell folks you know, c
Speaker 1: W d is is is a bad thing. Uh. But
Speaker 1: disease management has always been part of the equation. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be a bigger part of that equation now,
Speaker 1: so that we ensure that, you know, we have deer populations,
Speaker 1: you know, for for many generations to come. That's a
Speaker 1: good overview when you hear the nineteen thirties and deer
Speaker 1: harvests being tunter deer in the state. What's what's the
Speaker 1: deer harvest today in the state. We're we're averaging around
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand. We've these last few years have been
Speaker 1: kind of a roller coaster ride. That was the largest record,
Speaker 1: That was the our largest harvest on record at almost
Speaker 1: two hundred seventeen thousand. Wow. So that's a mathematician over here,
Speaker 1: my lawyer from two is that is that a thousandfold increase,
Speaker 1: or a hundredfold would be twenty thousand thousand. What I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about, though, is that this wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, like my grandfather was born in nineteen nineteen,
Speaker 1: and he would have been, you know, a teenager and
Speaker 1: a grown man during a time period when they're just
Speaker 1: weren't that many deer. My dad was born in nineteen ten,
Speaker 1: and he talked about when he got back from World
Speaker 1: War Two that there wasn't no dear to be found.
Speaker 1: That you know that that if you saw a deer
Speaker 1: track out of the mountains where I grew up and
Speaker 1: where he grew up and lived his old, live and
Speaker 1: ere thing, that people almost come to look to see
Speaker 1: the deer track because there just wasn't any deer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that story wild? Yeah? Everybody tells that same story
Speaker 1: because it's true. See a deer track. Neighbor would go
Speaker 1: and tell the ask, and they where's that track? We'd
Speaker 1: actually a deer track. I've never seen one. And what
Speaker 1: surprises me about most of those stories is they track
Speaker 1: that sucker down and kill it. Yeah. No, but that
Speaker 1: that it wasn't that long ago. And so you can
Speaker 1: see that in the span of a humans life, like
Speaker 1: a lot can change, which is which is really encouraging,
Speaker 1: but it also puts you on kind of red alert,
Speaker 1: you know, with some of the stuff that's going on,
Speaker 1: I mean primarily c w D and some of these
Speaker 1: other diseases that you know, when you know our kids
Speaker 1: and when when uh rutt is an old man? Um,
Speaker 1: should the earth even be here? Which I don't think
Speaker 1: it will be, um, but will there be deer here?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, nothing's nothing and stays the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always moving, but hopefully we can, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean that's why we're here. I mean, you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean we we are enjoying really the
Speaker 1: golden age of white till. I mean I I had
Speaker 1: the fortune enough to uh speak to a guy on
Speaker 1: a telephone, um, just a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: uh he he was a founding member of a deer
Speaker 1: camp in Bradley County and he had was telling the
Speaker 1: other gentleman. He was the oldest man in his camp,
Speaker 1: and he was telling them about when we stalked deer
Speaker 1: in a game refuge that was right there on the
Speaker 1: county line, right next to their deer camp. And uh,
Speaker 1: he had called me in and um, you know, I
Speaker 1: did some research after talking with him, and I called
Speaker 1: him back. I said, you know, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: But he said he remembers them opening the boxes they
Speaker 1: had caught these deer in Wisconsin and opening the boxes
Speaker 1: and those deer jumping out. I think he said there
Speaker 1: was nine of them. And he said there wasn't one
Speaker 1: hair on those deer. Really had shipped them by train
Speaker 1: down here. And he said he remembers when they first
Speaker 1: stocked that and I think it was not teen forty six. Um,
Speaker 1: But you know, just to be able to speak to
Speaker 1: somebody that experienced history like that, to be able to
Speaker 1: tell the other members of his camp, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: and now they're they're harvesting a hundred deer a year
Speaker 1: in that deer camp or whatever it is, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they started from those first nine deer
Speaker 1: and that's yeah, that's pretty pretty neat. That is it? Really? Is?
Speaker 1: It really is? Um? Who else had a question for
Speaker 1: Ralpha as specific question? Did you say you had a
Speaker 1: specific question? Bo No, I was just gonna say, when
Speaker 1: you guys are real mouth. When he was talking about
Speaker 1: the game refuge, and stuff. My dad took me when
Speaker 1: I was just a young kid and showed me some
Speaker 1: of the little boundary posts and stuff of the Black
Speaker 1: Mountain Refuge and all that, and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: we would drive over here just then, said here and
Speaker 1: when it wasn't even dear seasons, see if we might
Speaker 1: see a deer. You know. Yeah, And you know a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of deer camps. Not I actually
Speaker 1: started deer hunting on White Rock. That's where our deer
Speaker 1: camp was when I when I first started deer hunting. Uh.
Speaker 1: And a lot of deer camps across the state. Uh,
Speaker 1: they were established right next to these game refuges. When
Speaker 1: they opened up, they would allow people to camp there
Speaker 1: on the on the refuge or adjacent to it. And
Speaker 1: and that's where they hunted. That that was what my
Speaker 1: dad talked about, He said, when when they allowed it
Speaker 1: to hunt, and that's where everybody went and hunted when
Speaker 1: they first opened him up. Even though the deer were
Speaker 1: this person O there is the biggest concentration of deer
Speaker 1: was in those refuges. I mean, that's that's part of
Speaker 1: the game. Is I mean, where it says no hunting,
Speaker 1: that's where you go, that's where you go. Put up
Speaker 1: your gap, right deer the deer. No, is that the
Speaker 1: biggest The biggest challenge now is that CWD the stuff
Speaker 1: that you that's your yellow deal with. As far as
Speaker 1: the I would say that's one of a few different challenges.
Speaker 1: The CWD is definitely a big challenge. Number one is
Speaker 1: because you know, we're still learning, I mean on on
Speaker 1: the g and scheme of things. I mean, c w
Speaker 1: D is a fairly new disease um. You know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't really identified until since the eighties. Uh. They they
Speaker 1: think that it started in Colorado in the sixties where
Speaker 1: they first discovered it. When they go back and look
Speaker 1: at all the documentation of deer they were, you know,
Speaker 1: exhibiting the same kind of issues, but the pre on
Speaker 1: itself wouldn't describe until you know, the early eighties. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so the management of the disease on the grand
Speaker 1: scale of things is very very new. So we're still
Speaker 1: learning where do you fit on the scale? Like so
Speaker 1: if if if a one is this is a hoax
Speaker 1: and a ten is in the next twenty years there
Speaker 1: will be zero white until deer on the landscape. Where
Speaker 1: do you stand with the severity and the severity of
Speaker 1: the risk that CWD poses on a national scale to deer.
Speaker 1: I'd say a five, and I don't have to be
Speaker 1: I don't like to be in the middle ground. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, if there is a silver lining with c
Speaker 1: b D is that as long as you're not moving
Speaker 1: infected material, whether it be live or dead animals on
Speaker 1: the landscape, it does move rather slowly. Um, so you
Speaker 1: know there there is a possibility to get out ahead
Speaker 1: of it. Uh. And where you get out ahead of
Speaker 1: it and you implement these management strategies, there's a potential
Speaker 1: that you could slow it there. Uh. There may be
Speaker 1: places in the state where where beyond that point, um,
Speaker 1: you know, ground zero, Newton County, that that may be
Speaker 1: kind of tough. Now, we might be able to reduce
Speaker 1: the prevalence rate, but as far as slow the spread
Speaker 1: from that area, we may not be able to do. Now.
Speaker 1: So Newton, Kunty, that's that's a that's a good I've
Speaker 1: got a question about that. That is where we first
Speaker 1: found c w D. It's where years ago, I mean
Speaker 1: seventy years ago they introduced ELK in there in and
Speaker 1: we wasn't in the early eighties that put the elk. However,
Speaker 1: so the Black Mountain Creek and all in there. There
Speaker 1: were several elk that were stocked in the forties by
Speaker 1: the Fourth Service and rather than Franklin County, and those disappeared,
Speaker 1: and we don't know what happened. Now those Mountain folks
Speaker 1: may ate them, but you know, we don't know what
Speaker 1: I think some of my incests, but you're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: we the elk that were in the in the Buffalo
Speaker 1: National River Valley there, Um, those were stocked in the
Speaker 1: mid or early to mid nineteen and it's I know,
Speaker 1: there's no maybe no way to prove it, but probably
Speaker 1: c w D came with them. It's a possibility, It's possible.
Speaker 1: But at that point, you know, when those animals removed,
Speaker 1: nobody knew what c WD was. Yeah, they couldn't have
Speaker 1: even measured it. No, I mean, they wouldn't have known.
Speaker 1: And you know, in all honesty, we we have been
Speaker 1: testing elk here in Arkansas since the late nineteen nineties, Um,
Speaker 1: whether it found dead, whether harvested, and you know we
Speaker 1: would if if we had it in the elk first,
Speaker 1: we probably would have detected it earlier on the funded Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're so so there. It's a good possibility that
Speaker 1: it wasn't from malcom. We've we've had deer shipped in
Speaker 1: from all of the over places, um, you know, illegally.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, we we it's really scary. UM. Like
Speaker 1: I said, we we talked a lot of deer bolish
Speaker 1: across the nation. UM. And in Wisconsin they're dear bolished.
Speaker 1: They put a map up of their hot zone and
Speaker 1: then they show all the zip codes of where people
Speaker 1: come from all over the nation to hunt in that
Speaker 1: hot zone. And it's very scary knowing that those people
Speaker 1: are bringing deer back. So we could have been you know,
Speaker 1: it could have originally come from a carcass and we
Speaker 1: don't we don't know that and really at this point
Speaker 1: it's out of the ba Okay, this is my question though,
Speaker 1: is that dear populations in that hot zone in Arkansas
Speaker 1: are going down a lot? Though they are and we
Speaker 1: don't know, we can't pinpoint exactly what that is. Uh,
Speaker 1: we don't know if that's because uh and of course
Speaker 1: we uh we support that those observations with our harvest numbers, UM.
Speaker 1: And we don't know if people are you know, not
Speaker 1: hunting there as much UM. We have a CWD research
Speaker 1: project going on it right now where we've UH rate.
Speaker 1: We're putting GPS colors on deer and we're tracking them.
Speaker 1: We're looking at mortality rates, we're looking at reproduction rates UM.
Speaker 1: And so you know, it could be that, you know,
Speaker 1: the prevalence rate of CWD in Newton County has gotten
Speaker 1: to a point where it may be impacting. We don't
Speaker 1: know that for sure until our our research. Could that
Speaker 1: be a good thing where it dips so low that
Speaker 1: it and I'm not I don't know the disease terminology,
Speaker 1: but where the population gets so low that it the
Speaker 1: disease is weakened in some way and then then when
Speaker 1: they come back they don't have it as much or well.
Speaker 1: And so that goes back to one of our management
Speaker 1: spread strategies where we were mooved the three point rule.
Speaker 1: And so right now research suggests that uh buck harvest
Speaker 1: is across all age classes is actually can slow the
Speaker 1: spread of c w D because when you have a
Speaker 1: lot of older age classes or age class bucks in population,
Speaker 1: you know what happens when a year and a half
Speaker 1: old is there, he's gone. He's gonna disperse. And so
Speaker 1: if you can, you can reduce that tension though that
Speaker 1: that need for dispersal. Maybe animals that potentially have it
Speaker 1: won't go as far. We didn't send Rusty over there
Speaker 1: to kill some forking horns like he usually does. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll harvest being the only the only way to manage
Speaker 1: it is through harvesting, right, that's exactly right. I mean
Speaker 1: there's there's no known cure, there's no shot, there's no
Speaker 1: feed um. Harvest is our only way right now that
Speaker 1: we can manage. And that's that's why having hunters is
Speaker 1: so important. I mean, if we we stop hunting, we're
Speaker 1: really in trouble. I saw a guy on YouTube one time.
Speaker 1: I'll send you the link. It may help you. Ralph
Speaker 1: Uh this guy, this guy, it was he was dead.
Speaker 1: He he had some kind of mineral lick or something
Speaker 1: that he he was confident was making his dear immune
Speaker 1: to c w D forward you that. I'll forward you
Speaker 1: that I have seen it wouldn't it wasn't a type
Speaker 1: of Arkansas, but I watched it. I was just like, wow,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was some I can't remember, but
Speaker 1: it's probably got cast role in it. You remember, get
Speaker 1: the port on the spoon and yeah, well no, I man,
Speaker 1: I c w We've everybody in the deer community has
Speaker 1: talked a lot about c w D. So that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily what all I want to get into today. But uh,
Speaker 1: but you asked what other you know, our other problem
Speaker 1: is in one of them is hunter recruitment. You know,
Speaker 1: there there are fewer and fewer youngsters now that are
Speaker 1: that are hunting. There there's a lot of uh petition
Speaker 1: for their time. You know, a lot of athletics, you know,
Speaker 1: extracurricular activities and so you know, and when I was,
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, hunting, I mean, when dear
Speaker 1: season happened, the world stopped for nine days, that's all
Speaker 1: you did. Uh. And we we didn't muslot hunter or
Speaker 1: archery hunt when I was a kid. We we were
Speaker 1: modern gun hunters. But for nine days, that was it,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what you did. There used to be
Speaker 1: a time when when you played baseball in the summer.
Speaker 1: Now they do it year round. I know folks that
Speaker 1: have that take kids every weekend to baseball. Same thing
Speaker 1: with basketball used to but now they have all these
Speaker 1: other sports and camps and youth leagues and stuff that
Speaker 1: play nearly year round basketball and stuff. The Friday before
Speaker 1: opening day and the Monday after opening weekend, a lot
Speaker 1: of schools were closed. Yeah, now that I graduated high
Speaker 1: school and the first day of um dear season, well
Speaker 1: that Monday, even if it opened on a Saturday, school
Speaker 1: was out. That's right. The same was as where I
Speaker 1: was at Mountainburg that day. I always hated that my
Speaker 1: school did not have dear days, but all the smaller
Speaker 1: school and we were a small school, but for the area,
Speaker 1: we were a bigger school. If you hunted before you
Speaker 1: got caught the bus or before you went to school,
Speaker 1: however you got to school, if you killed a deer
Speaker 1: that morning, you was late. If you brought in your
Speaker 1: hunting license where you had taken deer, it was hey.
Speaker 1: I remember multiple times, and my dad's not here today,
Speaker 1: but this is a good story about my dad. I
Speaker 1: remember multiple times being in school and we had a
Speaker 1: pay phone in the school and my dad worked at
Speaker 1: the bank, you know, before cell phones, you know, and
Speaker 1: I would just it would be a fall day and
Speaker 1: it would be cool outside and we would have gone outside,
Speaker 1: you know, at lunch or something, and I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: I'd call my dad and say Hey, dad, will you
Speaker 1: call and check me out of school? I want to go, Dear,
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Call him on the pay phone and
Speaker 1: he'd call the office and twenty minutes later, the intercom
Speaker 1: would come on, can we have Clay Nuwcomb? Can we
Speaker 1: have Clay Nucombe please come to the office, And I
Speaker 1: just I just kind of I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: on again. And one of my good friends his his
Speaker 1: dad said that when he was a kid, he would
Speaker 1: load on the bus with shotgun and his dog, my brother,
Speaker 1: and they would go to school and he'd laid his
Speaker 1: shotgun in the corner and the dog would sit outside,
Speaker 1: and then after school they would hunt the fence rows
Speaker 1: for quay all the way home. And uh, he said,
Speaker 1: that's what he did, you know during quail season. That's
Speaker 1: what he did every day. And they let you get
Speaker 1: on the bus with the shop. I'll be darn. My
Speaker 1: older brother can tell the same story, really taking a
Speaker 1: gun on the bus on five. They kept it on
Speaker 1: the school bus. The school bus driver was his football coach.
Speaker 1: They kept it on the bus, locked up, and he
Speaker 1: got on the bus in the evening. He got off
Speaker 1: at a friend's house and they went shooting wood ducks. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I've told this story before. If we're talking
Speaker 1: about guns at school, if I told the one about
Speaker 1: the principal coming old story, Yeah, yeah, I had a
Speaker 1: I brought a gun that my dad bought from me
Speaker 1: to school one day and the principal calls me aside
Speaker 1: and he goes they Clay, I heard you got a
Speaker 1: gun your truck. And I was like yeah, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I want to see it. I went in trouble. We
Speaker 1: walked out, We walked out to the parking lot, and
Speaker 1: he wanted to see it, like just because it was
Speaker 1: a cool gun. Different day, we all had guns in
Speaker 1: our Yeah. Yeah, those racks stick in the backglass, that's
Speaker 1: where they stay. Well, so this this podcast that we
Speaker 1: just came out with, this white Tailed Deer Stories podcasts,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be two. There's gonna be two full episodes
Speaker 1: dedicated to white Tailed Deer Stories. Mose On gonna be
Speaker 1: on the second one. He tells the story. Um, I
Speaker 1: I when I hear James Lawrence, Andy Brown and my
Speaker 1: dad tell a story, it's like I could just listen
Speaker 1: to those guys talk. I tried to imply inside of
Speaker 1: the podcast, how to me, those just aren't stories, but
Speaker 1: they're like really personal to me in different ways, just
Speaker 1: like that's the sound of my world, you know. And
Speaker 1: and and the I kind of got into these deer
Speaker 1: stories are so cool because they do. I mean, we
Speaker 1: all like dear stories because we're deer hunters and we
Speaker 1: want to hear the details of what happened. But stories
Speaker 1: carry so much more than that. And that's what I
Speaker 1: tried to show and and tell in some ways that
Speaker 1: m person to person human communication. It's so valuable. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is so valuable. And I think the reason that
Speaker 1: I liked whitetail deer hunting as a kid was because
Speaker 1: of the way I saw my dad and the men
Speaker 1: that he hunted with, the way they handled it, the
Speaker 1: way they talked about it. It's like, all this stuff's
Speaker 1: going on in my life. But boy, that's really important
Speaker 1: because the way they talked about it, in the excitement
Speaker 1: in their voice and the detail that they went in.
Speaker 1: Because I'd hear those same men tell a story about
Speaker 1: something else and it wasn't nearly as passionate, you know,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. I mean, just there's these
Speaker 1: default messages that are coming to you as a kid
Speaker 1: in in Uh, it had value. Yeah, the value you
Speaker 1: had in and it's like you could tell those I've heard.
Speaker 1: I've heard Gary tell that story before, and I heard
Speaker 1: him tell it again, and I was as glued to
Speaker 1: it then as I was the first time, because I
Speaker 1: had value in that in telling that story to a
Speaker 1: guy that you know, somebody else that just played golf,
Speaker 1: you know, or just played baseball or something, that he's
Speaker 1: not gonna connect as quick because he's not gonna put
Speaker 1: as much value in what he's here. And as as
Speaker 1: you are telling it, well, I can tell you too,
Speaker 1: from you know, being a kid, You're exactly right. I
Speaker 1: mean those stories were valuable. But sitting around the campfire
Speaker 1: at nighttime with your grandpa and his buddies and your
Speaker 1: uncle and your dad and their buddies. I mean as
Speaker 1: a as a nine year old or a ten year old,
Speaker 1: you felt like you were an equal and they were
Speaker 1: telling stories and you're eating dear chili, you know, and
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, staying up past what your normal
Speaker 1: bedtime was, and and uh, I mean it was a
Speaker 1: I mean just hanging on every word that those guys
Speaker 1: were saying, that the stories that they were telling that
Speaker 1: was it was just phenomenal. Yeah. My dad and all
Speaker 1: my uncles were all hunters, and a lot of times
Speaker 1: they'd get together and when I just a kid and
Speaker 1: be talking about their hunts from that year, the year before,
Speaker 1: the upcoming hunts, and you was just glued to it,
Speaker 1: you know, even when I wasn't allowed to go hunting.
Speaker 1: It when I was just a young kid. I remember that.
Speaker 1: You know, any of those guys real good storytellers. Would
Speaker 1: you would you have would you have characterized them as that? Yes?
Speaker 1: I would. Uh, I've I've got, I say I've got.
Speaker 1: I had two uncles and my dad. They're all passed away,
Speaker 1: all my families passed away with my uncle's and my everybody.
Speaker 1: But the three of them that hunted a lot together,
Speaker 1: they all could tell a pretty good story. I mean it,
Speaker 1: it got you glued to it. Like he was talking
Speaker 1: about your dad's and Brent was talking about listening to
Speaker 1: that story of your dad's. Uh, you didn't matter how
Speaker 1: many times you heard it, you was stuck to it.
Speaker 1: You just sit there and you listened, and you listen
Speaker 1: on every word, you know, and tried to pick out
Speaker 1: what was going to happen. Next, even though you knew
Speaker 1: what was gonna happen because you already heard the story,
Speaker 1: but it's still you was just in ten on wanting
Speaker 1: to listen to it. So, yeah, what was So the
Speaker 1: stories that were told and I want to hear some
Speaker 1: of you guys stories here in a minute. Of the
Speaker 1: stories that were told on that podcast, Rusty, which one
Speaker 1: stood out to you? Oh, the moun shraft really? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that that's just extraordinary. I mean that that
Speaker 1: was a wild story. I mean yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've heard anything close to that. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: hoisting that thing about that mine shaft. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: just only had a little bit of water in the
Speaker 1: bottom of it. Yeah, I mean it could have been
Speaker 1: full of water, you know. Yeah, that was definitely about hunting.
Speaker 1: Word of y'all all missing the whole thing here, holes
Speaker 1: in the ground, you don't want to go there, coon
Speaker 1: out in the whole lot. Actually hunting where there is
Speaker 1: a mind shaft is blowing my mind. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: oh it certainly wasn't marked. There wasn't a road to it. There.
Speaker 1: There's just out in that part of the world, there's
Speaker 1: just there's just mine shafts, random places. Uh, and and yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought Randy did a good job of telling that
Speaker 1: story too. He uh um, yeah, he just I like
Speaker 1: the way he I liked the way he told it,
Speaker 1: and and I like one of my favorite parts was
Speaker 1: the very end when he said, and I went back
Speaker 1: with my kids, and that mine shafts the water and
Speaker 1: there's a fishing. I thought that was funny. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was good resting what she said. And there
Speaker 1: was a lot in that too, if you when he
Speaker 1: was telling that story about he called he called it
Speaker 1: was it Andy Scott, Andy's son and my good friend
Speaker 1: Scott Brown called Scott and uh He's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing your powder. I'm coming to you. Yeah. That's
Speaker 1: that was the whole thing to me, the whole thing
Speaker 1: getting that buck out of that was he called somebody
Speaker 1: he cared about, that cared about him, that knew who
Speaker 1: left work. I'm pretty sure, yeah, to go out there
Speaker 1: and help him, man Tom Rodderie right there. But the
Speaker 1: moral of that story is, don't ever go hunting without
Speaker 1: telling somebody we're going. Yeah. Yeah, one time in the
Speaker 1: ozarks On public Land, I remember, I was turkey hunting.
Speaker 1: That was talking about holding the ground and and and
Speaker 1: telling somebody where you're at. I was turkey hunting by
Speaker 1: myself public land, and I was hiking up this real
Speaker 1: steep ridge and I stopped to take a break and
Speaker 1: was leaning on my shotgun, just breathing hard, and I
Speaker 1: looked down by my foot and there was a hole
Speaker 1: about as big as a softball in the ground. Just
Speaker 1: it was kind of odd because there were no rocks
Speaker 1: around it. It was just leaf litter, and there was
Speaker 1: just a hole. And it didn't look like it was
Speaker 1: angled like armadilla hole. There was no debris pile like
Speaker 1: where something had been digging, just a hole. And I
Speaker 1: was like, huh, that's weird. I took the butt of
Speaker 1: my shotgun and Bopp just kind of tapped on it,
Speaker 1: and that that thing just collapsed and opened up into
Speaker 1: a hole a bout as big as a beach ball,
Speaker 1: and it was so deep that you could drop a
Speaker 1: rock down and it would be like ding dinging. No
Speaker 1: way it was. It was a sinkhole. And you know,
Speaker 1: you you had a hard time falling in it, just
Speaker 1: because I mean big as a beach ball. You'd have
Speaker 1: to like put your hands in the air and just
Speaker 1: jumped in it. But I was like, holy smoke, I
Speaker 1: guess only one of my legs will probably fitting it.
Speaker 1: It was it was in the Ozarks where we have
Speaker 1: this limestone shell and a lot of stuff, and the
Speaker 1: rocks dissolved, like there's big there are big sink holes
Speaker 1: in the Ozarks. That's just what it was. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was weird. It was game and flat ground. For the
Speaker 1: love of humanity, you're gonna get killed. Rust of which,
Speaker 1: what was your bouncing off of that as a youth,
Speaker 1: um my dad, I mean he's a crazy deer hunter
Speaker 1: and he didn't take up no slack with me as
Speaker 1: like an eight year old or whatever. So we'd walk
Speaker 1: in it, you know, three thirty am, two hours before daylight.
Speaker 1: And then on the way back to the truck, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, there's a drop off right by the trail
Speaker 1: that we walked in. He's like, oh, yeah, shut up,
Speaker 1: fell into it. I'm gonna I'm glad I didn't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean we were going on some steep up.
Speaker 1: I was like, I couldn't say anything in the dark, though,
Speaker 1: better followed close behind him. Favorite story you heard for sure,
Speaker 1: and then I really like my favorite part was they
Speaker 1: didn't want to damage the handlers. Yeah, yeah, let's Laris
Speaker 1: think how we're getting them out of here. Yeah, that's value.
Speaker 1: Which one stood out with you? That one obviously, I
Speaker 1: mean that's the one in the minute. You can't say
Speaker 1: the same one they but okay, new rule, can't say
Speaker 1: the same one the other Terry, Terry the Yankee. That
Speaker 1: was a good story, Tony, Tony, Tony was good like
Speaker 1: Tony story and he told a good story. Yeah in
Speaker 1: the beans. Yeah, and you know he's he said everything
Speaker 1: that happened, he never thought it would happen. He already
Speaker 1: he's already cursed, he says, he never one he's got.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to him about going to that wed
Speaker 1: and dear in Deer Season for the love of humanity,
Speaker 1: who his friend absolute he was not his friend friend,
Speaker 1: he would have never done that. But then you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't get to go opening day, and then everything
Speaker 1: that he proved the old point that you can't kill
Speaker 1: him at the house, regardless if you got an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go saddle up and get out there. And then
Speaker 1: just when he thought things were there's no way that
Speaker 1: deer is going to come from there. There's no way
Speaker 1: that deer is gonna keep coming. There's no way that
Speaker 1: deer is gonna be ten ft, no way he's even
Speaker 1: gonna see a deer. Because he ran in there and
Speaker 1: got all sweaty. He had already wrote it off. I mean,
Speaker 1: he basically just wrote it off. And and those are
Speaker 1: the funny stimes when you get one you really weren't expecting.
Speaker 1: Which story stood out to you mind that I liked
Speaker 1: the bass was Andy Brown's about the deer, you know,
Speaker 1: on the finding the tracks and and then hunting and
Speaker 1: killing that big deer. And then at the end of the
Speaker 1: the story he talks about he said, but that wasn't
Speaker 1: the deer that I was. But that whole story this
Speaker 1: way told it was really good. I can associate with
Speaker 1: that because he huts a lot of the same not
Speaker 1: the same area, but the same type of train with
Speaker 1: the mountain saddles and all that that I do. And
Speaker 1: I could I could just see everything that he was
Speaker 1: talking about. Man, When when when Andy and and Scott
Speaker 1: and some of these other guys that that they hunt
Speaker 1: with tell stories. Man, sometimes somebody can belabor something so
Speaker 1: much you're just like, come on, get to the point.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people tell the story and you just wanted to
Speaker 1: keep going, and you're sad when it ends, and and
Speaker 1: and a lot of that has to do with context,
Speaker 1: Like if you pull up on the side of the
Speaker 1: road and talking to somebody where your cars running, you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of got to understand, this is not the
Speaker 1: time to give like the extended version of this story.
Speaker 1: But in the right moment, in the right context, a
Speaker 1: good long story, especially from someone you deeply respect, is
Speaker 1: just what you order. And man, Andy I Love actually
Speaker 1: had to cut down some of his story, so he
Speaker 1: didn't really hear the full version with all the pauses
Speaker 1: and different things, just because the format. We had to
Speaker 1: tighten it up a little bit. But man, he tells
Speaker 1: a detailed story. I mean it starts off with the
Speaker 1: with the scouting trip, and I mean he just he
Speaker 1: just kind of went into everything. But what you learned
Speaker 1: from that kind of stuff is you learned a lot
Speaker 1: about how to scout, what to look for, when to
Speaker 1: move on, when to keep going, how his season laid out.
Speaker 1: I mean, there, if you listen to it, just like, okay,
Speaker 1: when is he gonna kill this? There, You're you're missing
Speaker 1: the point. But there was I was telling Misty, even
Speaker 1: him talking about a cotton mouth that he wished he'd killed.
Speaker 1: And uh and and just and he's a great storyteller
Speaker 1: and a great hunter. I like what most said, want
Speaker 1: to go. He he left the story were that big
Speaker 1: track that was not so it sticks in your mind.
Speaker 1: And I've been wondering ever since. I wonder how big? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm wanting to go and see you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I've gotta By the time this comes out, I
Speaker 1: will have already posted. But I'm gonna post a picture
Speaker 1: of the deer that he killed. Uh it was it
Speaker 1: was a nineteen point just a while. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't count very good. Uh, heck of a deer.
Speaker 1: And uh and it wasn't the biggest deer and he's
Speaker 1: ever killed either. He said it was the second biggest,
Speaker 1: is what he said on that wasn't it? Well, if
Speaker 1: he said that, I don't remember that. That's what he said.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he said this was a second. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure this is my second for sure, said that
Speaker 1: he never killed one like it before. Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: only he said, I've killed a bigger deer too, And
Speaker 1: he said, I come to think it, I think this
Speaker 1: is probably the second biggest deer either that or your
Speaker 1: or your Dad's story one because I get him confused.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, talk about it. So my favorite story I
Speaker 1: think has to be James Lawrence, even though Andy, Dad
Speaker 1: and James kind of all were right there. And then
Speaker 1: as far as the excitement of the story, the mind
Speaker 1: cheft story, I loved that one is just kind of
Speaker 1: a shocking ending, you know. But James Lawrence, I mean,
Speaker 1: mainly because he's just my hero and he uh, you know,
Speaker 1: James is not a big storyteller, like if you're sitting
Speaker 1: around a room like this, like he's not gonna talk,
Speaker 1: like he's the guy that's just kind of sitting back
Speaker 1: waiting to be spoken to. But when he talks, he
Speaker 1: knows what he's talking about. And uh oh, I I
Speaker 1: kind of I just like, I just liked h James
Speaker 1: really got fired up about that deer, which you can
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, because he was actually afraid the
Speaker 1: deer was gonna run him over, is what he was
Speaker 1: trying to say, you know, because he had those hawks
Speaker 1: on the deer was coming and he never used hawks
Speaker 1: on his body again because it spooked him. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a veteran hunter. And if he tells
Speaker 1: me he was spooked in the woods, he wasn't being dramatic.
Speaker 1: He really got spooked. He thought that deer was gonna
Speaker 1: run him over. My favorite part of it is when
Speaker 1: he said that towards Enevy's story there he told he said,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, he shot the deer and all that,
Speaker 1: and then he I forget how he quoted, and he said,
Speaker 1: and I realized that that deer was coming to me.
Speaker 1: He he was gonna he wanted to take care of
Speaker 1: me because he thought I was, you know, taking over
Speaker 1: his area. Yeah, yeah, uh, Ralph, which one stood out
Speaker 1: to you? Man? The mind shafted me was just one
Speaker 1: of those is like, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: And I've loaded a lot of deer, so I can
Speaker 1: only imagine two guys pulling that thing up. But as
Speaker 1: a biologist, the clicker, dear, dear to me? Was it interesting?
Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking the whole time, I'm thinking, I'm wondering
Speaker 1: to that guy, I'm wondering if that deer's grinner's broke
Speaker 1: U why was he clicking? I was wondering what was
Speaker 1: going on? Do you have any inside that. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. That's what I'm thinking the whole time. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's Grinner's broke. I've actually heard, hey
Speaker 1: before we go today, I've actually seen those little things
Speaker 1: he talked about, the little tweel thing you turned. Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen those ralphs clicking call? I really thought
Speaker 1: it was to uh to imitate you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's but the click. I was like,
Speaker 1: that thinks that Grenner's got to be broken. I've actually
Speaker 1: heard that one time in the wild. What did it
Speaker 1: sound like? Just like a like a single click. Grunt
Speaker 1: is a series of clicks. Clicks, no grunted, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that grunt is a series of clicks. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you could just do like one, pop your tongue
Speaker 1: with it, Yeah, that's it. I've heard it one time
Speaker 1: in the wild and Arkansas. It was a hall of
Speaker 1: being and that's the only time I've ever heard it. Huh,
Speaker 1: this is told me so when I first it was,
Speaker 1: there was three bucks And when I first heard the
Speaker 1: bucks coming, it was like a loud just a b
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, whoa, what is that? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: was like on a little island and I was in
Speaker 1: the middle of a cut cornfield. Well I've seen the
Speaker 1: dog coming and this book was behind her or yeah,
Speaker 1: he was right behind her and they come out there
Speaker 1: in front of me. They stopped, and there's another buck
Speaker 1: run up there, and then another little six point run
Speaker 1: up and they were just kind of circling her. She
Speaker 1: was out there and at six point got over really
Speaker 1: close and that one that biggest buck started. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he looked over at him and he just charged him
Speaker 1: and hit him in the side and just rolling. Yes,
Speaker 1: So this story is confirmation of what said. Have you
Speaker 1: ever seen a black panther? No, I have not, how
Speaker 1: about ever built woodpeck. That's that is for real. That's
Speaker 1: I've been hunting all my life and that's the first
Speaker 1: time and the only time I've ever heard it. But
Speaker 1: I have heard it, and then, I mean it was
Speaker 1: loud and distinct. He said, them old timers he talked
Speaker 1: to you that said that that They said that dominant
Speaker 1: buck was he was the dominant buck making that noise.
Speaker 1: It was the big one that was doing it. That's interation. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never heard one click like that. But
Speaker 1: I can't. It's so wild. Deer vocalizations are so elusive.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've hunted my whole life, killed quite a
Speaker 1: few deer, ben in the woods a lot in the fall,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's like, did I hear a buck
Speaker 1: deer grunt last year? I don't even know if I did.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's not really Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't. You don't. You don't hear him all
Speaker 1: the time, do you guys hear him? Yeah, y'all just
Speaker 1: don't ever kill him, y'all just let him go, especially
Speaker 1: especially in the Midwest, are really vocal out there. But
Speaker 1: I'm I hear it every year here in Arkansas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it's a rut and I don't see a buck
Speaker 1: and he's not grunting, and I'm like, what's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear a lot. I hear a lot of grunting.
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of different vocalizations, but the clicking one,
Speaker 1: to me, is is kind of new. Yeah. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't hear a lot of fighting, like clashing of antlers. No,
Speaker 1: they'll tickle them, but they just don't get after it
Speaker 1: like they do in Midwest. Right. Well, Hey, I I
Speaker 1: meant to do this at the beginning, but I gotta
Speaker 1: do it now. So Phelps Game Calls just came out
Speaker 1: with a full new series of grunt tubes. It also
Speaker 1: they've got multiple styles of grunt tubes. Yeah, they got
Speaker 1: a clicking call, Jason felt. Yeah, let me know what.
Speaker 1: So Rusty Johnson the other thing that he has a
Speaker 1: secret grunt calls he's clicking on click. Um these calls
Speaker 1: are there's a there's Alpha Pro, which is a just
Speaker 1: a smaller call with a tube on it, and then
Speaker 1: there's the Beta Beta Pro with uh it's acrylic. There
Speaker 1: freeze proof that if if you feel it full of
Speaker 1: suraliva blowing on the thing, it's not gonna freeze. What
Speaker 1: I like about him is that you can blow them
Speaker 1: super soft. Sometimes when you're blow on a call, you
Speaker 1: gotta before it goes and you'll end up. You can
Speaker 1: you can blow it just as soft. I mean sometimes
Speaker 1: a deer will be right up under your stand and
Speaker 1: you can just barely hear him. And then sometimes he's
Speaker 1: out there sixty seventy yards and you can hear him.
Speaker 1: Why why you know that they a deer has a
Speaker 1: pretty big range of volume, and so man if he's
Speaker 1: if you just want to soft ground. To me, that's
Speaker 1: what makes a good grunt call. And they won't top
Speaker 1: out when you just blow on him. Sometimes the reed
Speaker 1: sticks on one when you're if a deer is out
Speaker 1: there a hundred and twenty yards and the winds hallen
Speaker 1: and you're just trying to throw a hell Mary and
Speaker 1: just just hit it hard. Sometimes the red will flatten
Speaker 1: out and it won't blow. But these Phelps calls are
Speaker 1: for real, the real deal, and uh, there they are.
Speaker 1: They they were launched on October the eleven, so this
Speaker 1: here podcast comes out on October the twelfth. So you
Speaker 1: can buy these at at the Medior dot com, Phelps
Speaker 1: dot com. So they've got they've got a couple of tubes,
Speaker 1: the Alpha and the Beta that have the the tubeottom
Speaker 1: which man, I I like, you have some good inflection
Speaker 1: with that flexible tube. It sounds good. Yeah, But if
Speaker 1: you don't, if you want a smaller call and you
Speaker 1: don't want the tube they make. Uh they call this
Speaker 1: the Omega hybrid, which is like an acrylic call kind
Speaker 1: of almost the size of like a goose call. No
Speaker 1: tube and uh it's uh, it doesn't have the doesn't
Speaker 1: have the tube, rest of the institubes the ticket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but anyway, those are for sale. Phelps start, Phelps, Phelps
Speaker 1: game calls. They've also got a doubly eat and a fawn,
Speaker 1: uh fawn call full line of deer calls. So faun,
Speaker 1: that's what I like. That's what Brent likes to kill.
Speaker 1: That's a brand call. That's it. Um, I look like
Speaker 1: I had to be a bear attractive. Now. Yes, I
Speaker 1: used as a predator call. Now I told on this podcast. No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't on this podcast. Y'all. Remember the story of
Speaker 1: my son. My son, Bear's got a cool name. When
Speaker 1: he was couldn't have been more than a year and
Speaker 1: a half old, eighteen months or something. Uh, I took
Speaker 1: him to hang a tree stand with me, and it
Speaker 1: was in in uh like late summer. Took him, carried
Speaker 1: him in, carried my sticks and my tree stand and
Speaker 1: before season, we're just going to hang a stand. I
Speaker 1: started hanging the ladders and get way up in the tree.
Speaker 1: So I'm like twenty ft up in the tree and uh,
Speaker 1: bear gets scared down on the ground because I'm not
Speaker 1: down there with him, and he's scared and he starts crying,
Speaker 1: just straight up, just crying. And I'm trying to hang
Speaker 1: this tree stands so I can't go down to him.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, hey, but it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm whispering. He just gets crying all the more. He
Speaker 1: cries for I don't know a couple of minutes, and
Speaker 1: directly I hear the woods just coming just crash, crashed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I hear something running in. It's real thick woods,
Speaker 1: and a doe deer comes busting in and skids to
Speaker 1: a stop. I mean, I remember it being like six
Speaker 1: or eight feet from him, maybe it was fifteen feet,
Speaker 1: but this doe deer, it was real thick and she
Speaker 1: just ran. She believed it was a faun in distress,
Speaker 1: skinned to a stop, seize him, and then you know, disappears,
Speaker 1: and bear quit crying and looked up at me, and
Speaker 1: he said, you knew what was He said, Dear, It
Speaker 1: was just like he said, you're not gonna believe. I
Speaker 1: was down there on the ground and a deer red up.
Speaker 1: She thought it was a deer. There was a boothy birth. Dear,
Speaker 1: Corrant needs to get a spotted pone uh pocket watch.
Speaker 1: Deal that'll be for Sunday. Yeah, yeah, Ralph, I told you.
Speaker 1: I asked you when you came, I said, bring your
Speaker 1: best dear story, so we want to hear it if
Speaker 1: you got it. Man, I've got a lot of great
Speaker 1: deer stories, but one of my favorites, uh was actually
Speaker 1: I was living in lonok and I put in for
Speaker 1: a permit muzzloader permit draw on Holland Bottom's w m
Speaker 1: a right outside of a cabin and uh my brother
Speaker 1: in law, who is from eastern Arkansas, he put in
Speaker 1: for as well, and he drew one. And uh, I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to hunt out of a canoe, and so
Speaker 1: I went to a place there, uh in Ozark body
Speaker 1: used canoe so proud of that thing. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna float this canoe in hauling bottoms his permit hunt,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill a deer. And uh So the Friday
Speaker 1: before the permit hunt, I go out there. The ditches
Speaker 1: are dry, the bios are dry. There was there was
Speaker 1: hardly any water in place. And I was so broken hearted,
Speaker 1: and the mosquitoes were eating my eyes out. And I
Speaker 1: told my brother and I said, We're not gonna be hunt.
Speaker 1: The mosquitoes are so bad. He saw, no, I'm for me.
Speaker 1: Stark saw I can do this. And at that time
Speaker 1: I worked on fish farm, so I was pretty used
Speaker 1: to mosquitoes, the term itsels, though, oh no, there were
Speaker 1: no thermurselfs this and this is this is and uh,
Speaker 1: I was like this, this is it. I can't believe
Speaker 1: I just bought a canoe. And so we went out
Speaker 1: Saturday morning hunted that morning about nine o'clock. My brother
Speaker 1: in law he tapped out and he said, I can't
Speaker 1: handle this. I said, I told you it's bad. So
Speaker 1: we're we're walking out with our muzzluvers between our tails,
Speaker 1: when legs, and these two girls to two ladies, uh
Speaker 1: in in black sweats and in rubber boots. They're walking
Speaker 1: out out with what I thought were howitzers over their shoulder,
Speaker 1: that caliber musselotters, big god octagon barrels. And my brother
Speaker 1: in law goes, they're more of a man than I am.
Speaker 1: And so we were kind of kind of whipped and
Speaker 1: and uh, I said, now I don't I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: hunt this evening. So Sunday rolled around the next day
Speaker 1: and a storm blew in and it was a cold front.
Speaker 1: Uh just dumps like two inches of rain and I
Speaker 1: saw I called my brother in law, said, hey, let's
Speaker 1: go back out there. Let's just look and see what happened.
Speaker 1: And mosquitoes were gone, there was water and everything, and
Speaker 1: uh a lot of the hunters left and this was
Speaker 1: a five day permit. So we walked in there with
Speaker 1: our boots we had hit boots on and we found
Speaker 1: this this ridge, I don't know, probably about three quarters
Speaker 1: of a mile and we'd walked down this road that
Speaker 1: was flooded and it was just like a tunnel. It
Speaker 1: was just beautiful. Just everything was calm. I could swear it.
Speaker 1: And down there was there was snowflakes every once in
Speaker 1: a while. And this was in October, and uh so
Speaker 1: we walked in there and I had my stand with me,
Speaker 1: and uh, I said, Clay, we're gonna we're gonna hunt
Speaker 1: this this afternoon. I said, this, this is perfect, and
Speaker 1: I mean I was just riding on cloud nine. And
Speaker 1: so I hung my stand and I said, you meet
Speaker 1: me back here at the truck at two o'clock. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get the canoe. We're gonna ride in here. I'll
Speaker 1: hunt this end of the ridge and you hunt the
Speaker 1: other end. So I had meant there was a boat
Speaker 1: missing on my on my dear stand. It was just
Speaker 1: a lock on stand. I said, well, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: back find a boat for that. You meet me here,
Speaker 1: we'll go hunting. So I go back, and uh, I
Speaker 1: was like I told my wife. I said, a load
Speaker 1: up canoe. I said, I gotta find a boat, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna meet Clay. So we get down there
Speaker 1: and two o'clock rolls around and he's not there. To
Speaker 1: thirty rolls around, he's not there. I'm like, ah, I
Speaker 1: gotta go. So I get in the canoe and I
Speaker 1: take off. You out there hang my stand. At three
Speaker 1: oh three o'clock straight up, I'm sitting in my dear
Speaker 1: stand and it starts to miss and I got my
Speaker 1: muzzloaded land across my lap and so I had this
Speaker 1: old army punch on. I just laid it across this
Speaker 1: this gun, and uh, when I'm deer hunting, I like
Speaker 1: to chew the back of That's just what I like
Speaker 1: to do. And so I just put one in my mouth.
Speaker 1: About two minutes later, I hear this walking in the
Speaker 1: I can hear water splashing. I was like, what is that?
Speaker 1: And so I kind of look and this deer comes
Speaker 1: up out of the water. I can tell he was
Speaker 1: a buck, and he wouldn't have a huge Bucky's two
Speaker 1: an half year old buck. And he walks up and
Speaker 1: he just lays down about forty yards from me and
Speaker 1: just lays down. And I'm thinking, man, this is the
Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. And so every time I try to spit,
Speaker 1: that deer would look at me. At some point I'm
Speaker 1: thinking I'm not swallowing well at I here's more water coming,
Speaker 1: you know, just rustling around like, man, there's more deer.
Speaker 1: And I looked back there and it's my brother in
Speaker 1: law and he had to have hit boots to get
Speaker 1: in there, and he walks up there. So I got
Speaker 1: the deer about forty forty five yards laying down in
Speaker 1: front of me. And my brother in law has a
Speaker 1: launch chair and he's like seventy five yards to my right,
Speaker 1: and he's he never sees me in the tree, even
Speaker 1: though I'm wearing orange and I'm sitting there watching him
Speaker 1: open his launch chair. He takes a leak and he
Speaker 1: gets a deer year out and this deer is laying
Speaker 1: there and there's some some coral berry about I don't know,
Speaker 1: knee high and this deer would pick his head up
Speaker 1: over and I'm watching this deer watch my brother in
Speaker 1: law who's not seventy five yards from him. This whole time,
Speaker 1: for two hours, my brother get up and he'd cough,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, Clay, what are you doing? And so
Speaker 1: I'm watching this deer. And then ever so often that
Speaker 1: deer w with jerk his head and he would look
Speaker 1: at men, both of them us. But it really, I
Speaker 1: mean watching his reaction to Clay. Really, I mean opened
Speaker 1: my eyes to how you know, you could be in
Speaker 1: the woods and deers laying down he's watching him. And
Speaker 1: as long as you don't he don't smell you, you know,
Speaker 1: or it's no quick reactionarything, he may not jump. And
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting there watching the deer and I'm I'm learning,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm having a heck of a time other
Speaker 1: than not being able to spend And it just happen
Speaker 1: to know Clay, but uh, and I love Clay. We've
Speaker 1: had a lot of we've had a lot of different
Speaker 1: adventures together. But I'm like, what the world are you doing?
Speaker 1: You know? And so um at five oh five, this
Speaker 1: so this deer had laid down between beside two trees.
Speaker 1: There was a bigger tree and a smaller tree around
Speaker 1: next to it, and all I could really see was
Speaker 1: the front part of his his chest and his neck
Speaker 1: when he was tick his head out to look at clay. Now,
Speaker 1: where you wanting to shoot this dere? Well, So you know,
Speaker 1: when I first, when we first got there, I thought, Man,
Speaker 1: this is elaradly in the hunt. I'm not even gonna
Speaker 1: shoot this there. Who knows what else is gonna come
Speaker 1: up here. So as it got darker and darker, and
Speaker 1: my brother in law started making more and more noise,
Speaker 1: I think, if I'm going to shoot one, I better
Speaker 1: do it now, because there was water all around us.
Speaker 1: The you know, the chances of finding him with a
Speaker 1: muzzleloader in the dark through the water is pretty low.
Speaker 1: I thought, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it now. And so, because a lot of my buddies
Speaker 1: had told me I was crazy for buying that canoe
Speaker 1: for hunting in Holland, bombs with a canoe, and so
Speaker 1: I wanted some vindication, you know, And so that there
Speaker 1: he and so finally he reaches back to lick himself
Speaker 1: and I pulled that poncho off that musslo or put
Speaker 1: a cap on it, and I just waited about ten
Speaker 1: more seconds, and he kind of turned his head and
Speaker 1: I pulled a mussloer up, and my brother in law
Speaker 1: made a sound, and that deer stuck his neck out,
Speaker 1: and I shot him right in the neck and just
Speaker 1: I mean his head. It's wonder he didn't break his
Speaker 1: jawb on his head hit so hard, you know, And
Speaker 1: and then I could hear through smoke, I could hear
Speaker 1: my brother and lost a couple of expletives. And so
Speaker 1: when the smoke clears, I could see him picking himself
Speaker 1: up off the ground, had fallen back out of his chair,
Speaker 1: and so I yelled over, I said, clay, and he's
Speaker 1: like and then he yelled a couple more explosives, and
Speaker 1: so I got down and said, hey, you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: believe this. So I explained to him what happened this
Speaker 1: whole time, and said, hey, come help me pull this
Speaker 1: deer out. And he said, you didn't shoot, no, dude,
Speaker 1: you just did that scare of me. I said, oh no,
Speaker 1: I did. It's laying row here, and so he walked
Speaker 1: up there to it and he said, a couple more exploitives.
Speaker 1: I can't believe this. So we pulled that deer up
Speaker 1: to the canoe and uh, I've got I've got a
Speaker 1: picture of him, that deer and me in that canoe,
Speaker 1: floating out in that tunnel, trees on that water. And
Speaker 1: that was that was probably the great one of the
Speaker 1: greatest deer hunts that I've ever had, uh, because I
Speaker 1: told those boys that worked that I was coming back
Speaker 1: with a deer, and he was like, you're you're lying,
Speaker 1: You're lying. And so when they've seen that deer, they
Speaker 1: they're like, I can't believe that. Oh, that's awesome. That's
Speaker 1: a great story. And I've got I've got those antlers
Speaker 1: in a picture in my office at work. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's gotta be one you need. You need to text
Speaker 1: me a picture of that photo if you would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to see that. Yeah, it'd be cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was just one of those that it went from high,
Speaker 1: super high to get the hunt on that that permit
Speaker 1: hunt and knowing what caliber deer there to a super
Speaker 1: low with the mosquitoes and no water and buying a canoe,
Speaker 1: not getting floated back to a super high again, I
Speaker 1: mean it was just a roller coaster ride of a
Speaker 1: of a hunt. That's a good one, man, that is
Speaker 1: a good one. All right, So now it's time that
Speaker 1: we do the bear Grease swap shop. Here we go. Yep.
Speaker 1: So did y'all know that we uh we we have
Speaker 1: our listeners send stuff into bear Grease at the medeator
Speaker 1: dot com, stuff that they want to sell and uh
Speaker 1: and that. But they have to have their Instagram handle,
Speaker 1: their Facebook handle to be able to to sell it.
Speaker 1: And we, you know, we we we we we pick
Speaker 1: and choose what we put on here. But here we go.
Speaker 1: All right, we've got this. Uh, we've got a listing
Speaker 1: from a man by the name of buck Lester with
Speaker 1: an Instagram handle of buck dot Lester, and he has
Speaker 1: this is what he says. He said, Hey, I heard
Speaker 1: on the podcast that one of you mentioned hoping to
Speaker 1: have a nineteen eight two trans am. He said, well,
Speaker 1: I don't have a trans am, but I do have
Speaker 1: the next best thing, a nineteen eighties seven El Camino
Speaker 1: with a three oh five small block in a four
Speaker 1: barrel carb my first vehicle and a heck of a rig.
Speaker 1: He has a picture of it here and it's it's
Speaker 1: a nice looking el Camino man, and uh he says
Speaker 1: it does needs it says hundred forty nine thousand miles,
Speaker 1: four stock rams, four Kraiger rims, power locks and windows,
Speaker 1: has some large dents and rust, but it runs and drives.
Speaker 1: Needs some tires five thousand dollars all right, So you
Speaker 1: can contact buck Lester at buck dot Lester on Instagram.
Speaker 1: That's pretty legit man, you haul out some deer and that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that could be like the machine. Yeah, that's a business
Speaker 1: in the front. Incredible. Okay, So this next one, uh
Speaker 1: is this is actually a pretty functional one. This guy says, howdy,
Speaker 1: he said, calling all fellow sasquatches which rest in my
Speaker 1: I'm how tall are you resting? Calling all fellows sasquatches.
Speaker 1: I got me a pair of Lowa Tibbot hunting boots
Speaker 1: sized fifteen. They're a little too small for me. All
Speaker 1: this guy is as they fit more like a fourteen
Speaker 1: used for about a season and a half. Two d
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars or best offer. So his Instagram handle
Speaker 1: is big Underscore Sasky Underscore man b I G Underscore
Speaker 1: s A s k Y Underscore mayn nice looking pair
Speaker 1: of low of boots. I would imagine those are four
Speaker 1: boots been Warren just a couple of times. Well, Clay,
Speaker 1: I just looked at my You wear a fourteen, so
Speaker 1: he might be marketing directly to you. You need some
Speaker 1: really good movies. Break up the pocket. Okay, and here
Speaker 1: we have our our last Burgary swapshop entry for the day.
Speaker 1: We've got a I'm gonna read what this man says. Well,
Speaker 1: for sale a thirteen foot Boston Whaler boat for the
Speaker 1: thirty horsepower Yamaha outboard and an easy loader trailer. He's
Speaker 1: asking fifty five dollars all right, This Boston Whaler is
Speaker 1: ready to help any p NW outdoorsman. What's that mean?
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest job rust on their honey and fishing adventures.
Speaker 1: It's perfect for duck hunting on the coast, trolling, soak, baker, laker, brute. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's given away fishing spots and get into the secluded
Speaker 1: upland bird spots on the Columbia or the Snake. He's
Speaker 1: a salesman to a salesman, or any of the inland lakes.
Speaker 1: I recently got the boat dialed in, but I'm building
Speaker 1: my house and could use the extra cash. I like
Speaker 1: Sometimes a good salesman will tell you a little bit
Speaker 1: more information that you need to know to try to
Speaker 1: rope in to trust him with me. And this man said,
Speaker 1: you know, I need a little cash to build my house.
Speaker 1: I like it. Details recently repacked the trailer hubs with grease,
Speaker 1: installed new trailer lights. The motor is a two stroke
Speaker 1: and runs well, new steering, new throttle cables, new battery.
Speaker 1: Thirty five pound thrust electric trolling motor included build out
Speaker 1: a one inch marine grade ply built out of one
Speaker 1: one inch marine grade plywood. It was stained and sealed.
Speaker 1: The price also includes a five gallon gas tanks and
Speaker 1: a fish finder and fire extinguishers, flares, a horn, three
Speaker 1: rod holders, telescoping paddle man. Contact Cameron Stone. Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Cameron put his email addressed Cameron. You don't want to
Speaker 1: do that, brother, but we're gonna put it because he
Speaker 1: gave it to us. I can see an email Cameron,
Speaker 1: if you're serious, Cameron dot s dot Stone at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. I can see reston right now, Paris sliding
Speaker 1: with them four number size fourteen or fifteen and the
Speaker 1: l Camino hooked up to this Boston oh Man sliding.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get all three before this podcast drops. Yeah, Crade,
Speaker 1: you'd have loading that thing in. This is like a
Speaker 1: package deal that comes with a G five gallon gas tank?
Speaker 1: Is that full or empty? Because that don't affect You'll
Speaker 1: have to email cameras need some boxing glows. If you're
Speaker 1: going to buy me, then that. Yeah. But if you
Speaker 1: pull up the El Camino with that, nobody that's great.
Speaker 1: Preston don't want it, then maybe he used to bite
Speaker 1: for a new Doss Boat episode that Yeah, yeah, pull
Speaker 1: it el Camino across the I'd like to take that
Speaker 1: hunting about that strap of bear on top. There you go,
Speaker 1: put a wench in the back and we pull them
Speaker 1: up in the back luster by the del Camino and
Speaker 1: put that boat behind it. Mullet machine man, grow mullet ralph.
Speaker 1: I got a question before we get out of here,
Speaker 1: shoot forever and I've seen a study that was published
Speaker 1: out of I think it was South Carolina Department Natural
Speaker 1: Resources did a study on the effects of coon hunting
Speaker 1: bothering deer or deer hunters. If you got an opinion
Speaker 1: on that, if you get as far as what the
Speaker 1: I do so growing up coon hunting was my number
Speaker 1: one sport, even above deer hunting. We we coon hunted
Speaker 1: six nights a week. And the only reason we didn't
Speaker 1: coon hunt on Sunday night was we had school Monday morning,
Speaker 1: which we coon hundred rest of weeks. It really didn't matter.
Speaker 1: So I didn't figure that out. But U we coon
Speaker 1: hunted all time, and uh, you know, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of nights that we would walk in on a
Speaker 1: trade coon and our lights would hit deer and we'd
Speaker 1: walk right past them and it and it never bothered them. Um.
Speaker 1: I think what happens is when you get a dog
Speaker 1: that does chase deer, or you hunt in a location
Speaker 1: you maybe four or five times in a week, then
Speaker 1: you may uh you know, be creating some disturbance on
Speaker 1: those deer. But you gotta remember, you know, deer or primary.
Speaker 1: I mean they're primary's considered crepuscular, so they they move
Speaker 1: early morning in late evening, that's their primary times to move. Now,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll eat all day long, but you know at
Speaker 1: nighttime they have better vision, um, and so they don't
Speaker 1: probably get as much disturbance at that time of the night,
Speaker 1: so it probably doesn't bother them. I think what bothers them.
Speaker 1: And it's just like deer leases. When when somebody hunts
Speaker 1: a deer stands, they ride that foiler in their set
Speaker 1: even days a week. That dear patterns that person. They
Speaker 1: know when they're there and when they leave. And so
Speaker 1: it's as opposed to to coon hunters. You may walk
Speaker 1: into one place one time and a night and you
Speaker 1: may not be back there forever. You know, I just
Speaker 1: don't think that that, you know, just one you know,
Speaker 1: by happenstance and counter with with some hunters and a
Speaker 1: coon dog, that deer is gonna change. It's that's its
Speaker 1: movements or its patterns based on that. Now, if those
Speaker 1: dogs get after that deer, then yeah, there there maybe
Speaker 1: some change. But if that you know what I read
Speaker 1: that have you read that's seen that stuffy I have.
Speaker 1: There was even it was like there was one car.
Speaker 1: It was an enclosed place and they had these collar
Speaker 1: deer and there's like thousands of acres and they had
Speaker 1: this collar deer and they the one deer that was
Speaker 1: actually chased by the coon dog. It struck him and
Speaker 1: running before daylight the next morning, that deer has made
Speaker 1: his way back and was within just a few feet
Speaker 1: of where he was bidded, and that's flametry data. Got
Speaker 1: off it came back and laid back down where it'll
Speaker 1: get jumping. So and I've seen it forever. You know.
Speaker 1: I coon on a lot and my buddy right there
Speaker 1: on a tree and looking around. Hey there's a deer.
Speaker 1: My buddy Ford van Fawsen, who works for first Light,
Speaker 1: conservation director for first Light. He once brought up that
Speaker 1: study to me and uh, he said, uh. He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you knew that was funded by the coon hunters of America,
Speaker 1: didn't You had those biologists in their back pocket. He
Speaker 1: was joking. It was a good joke though. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: probably funnier he said, definitely. Hey, thank you all for
Speaker 1: coming Ralph, thanks for coming up. Man, Thanks for what
Speaker 1: you're doing with all your all your work inside of
Speaker 1: Arkansas deer hunting. And we know you guys are working
Speaker 1: hard and I appreciate being here. Yeah. Man, And now
Speaker 1: that I know you're a coon hunter, you gotta come back.
Speaker 1: You have to come back beyond the render podcast trapping man.
Speaker 1: If you can kill it needed, I'm all about it. There.
Speaker 1: Good Johnson boys. Great to have y'all. Y'all got some
Speaker 1: good bucks tied up somewhere, just busted. You're busted your trap?
Speaker 1: You got tied up? What you tell us about that?
Speaker 1: We got him fail? You won't believe it. But I
Speaker 1: was inadvertently after a two deer on opening week. I
Speaker 1: didn't know it yet though. Really yeah, so I got
Speaker 1: some intel. Tell you what state though? Arkansas? Oh, we
Speaker 1: just scored it, northwest Arkansas. The guy killed it. It's
Speaker 1: the one that guy killed. No, you were hut over
Speaker 1: by him? Well, technically I was hunting the same area.
Speaker 1: I won't say where. But I had a guy that
Speaker 1: gives me some intael, feeds me some intael, and he
Speaker 1: sent me a picture of it like two days before
Speaker 1: it was killed. And I was like, okay, I'm getting ready.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm amped up. I'm about to put cameras out.
Speaker 1: And then I get a picture because I know the
Speaker 1: guy that killed it, and he sent me a picture.
Speaker 1: He said, well, y'all score this. I said, oh, it's that,
Speaker 1: But it was two and three cross. Here's what we done.
Speaker 1: Just got killed off of public land in Arkansas. Uh
Speaker 1: Watton saw w M outside of hazing. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a beautiful deer. Wow, look at that G two with
Speaker 1: the it's a three pronged G two. Looked up, it
Speaker 1: looks like a G two. People always ask me, we're
Speaker 1: on even kill You can kill them anywhere as long
Speaker 1: as you can put some age on. I mean, our
Speaker 1: entire state has genetic potential. It's all about. If you
Speaker 1: want big bucks, you gotta pass them win they're little bucks.
Speaker 1: That's just I mean, really, that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: Good stuff. So y'all are onesome deer. Yeah, there's that
Speaker 1: big deer. Well, thank you all. MO. Good to see
Speaker 1: you man, Thanks for coming. I know you'll have a
Speaker 1: big buck story here soon, I hope. All Right, guys,
Speaker 1: let's see you next time.