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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the places we explore. Hello,

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Speaker 1: print tell me, uh, tell me what you've got on

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Speaker 1: your chain? All parts of it? That's called a watch fob,

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Speaker 1: watch fob. I got a pocket watch on the long

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Speaker 1: time today. Where'd you get that? That was a Follow's

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Speaker 1: Day present? Really? Where could a man acquire a sterling

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Speaker 1: raccoon fob? That? Could the fob come out of Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 1: but the pocket watch come from London, England? Really, if

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Speaker 1: all old timers used to wear them in their overalls,

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Speaker 1: you could probably order that through night lot, Mike, could

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Speaker 1: this right here? Um is? I can't remember? You know

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Speaker 1: all this? This watch is made in England and it's

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Speaker 1: hard to find a watch it. Well, I'm gonna put it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a little video of your of your

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Speaker 1: raccoon on my Instagram. So, hey, welcome to the Bear

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Speaker 1: Grease Render Podcast. Mile mind. Do we have a great

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Speaker 1: show today? We've got a a not so normal group

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Speaker 1: of people. Usually have that defense. Don't take offense at that, guys,

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Speaker 1: Well I do, I do know. So we we've got

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Speaker 1: Brent Reeves, and then the sixth person kind of comes

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Speaker 1: lot of times it's Isaac Neil, but today is way different.

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Speaker 1: Uh Me and Brent are the only regulars. Now, you

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Speaker 1: my left, Brent Reeves. Good see Brent beards looking nice

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Speaker 1: and trim looks. We get a little haircut. Okay, yesterday

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Speaker 1: I went and got got my hair pools. What my

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Speaker 1: grandmother would say when she went to the beauty parlor,

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Speaker 1: I don't I go to a barbershop? Sure enough, barbershop.

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Speaker 1: Had you clarified that? To your left, Rusty Johnson, Old buddy, Rusty,

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Speaker 1: you've been on the Render one time and then you've

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Speaker 1: been on the Bear Grease podcast at least once. Because

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Speaker 1: you're a white tail secret keeper. H do have secrets.

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Speaker 1: You're the ultimate white tail secret keeper. So special guests

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Speaker 1: who have not named yet, we did a whole podcast

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Speaker 1: on white Tail Secrets and basically explored how and why

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Speaker 1: people keep secrets, and how we distribute those secrets and

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Speaker 1: how relationally as humans there's some like deep like psychological

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna crack some of those secrets today for sure. Good.

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Speaker 1: So to your left is rust and Johnson, rust and

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Speaker 1: rustys Son, Yeah, and uh Man good to see you, bro,

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Speaker 1: it's good to see you too. I get some intel

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Speaker 1: our our guests, who will introduce at the end? Mos Shepherd? Man,

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Speaker 1: is Ralphmaker of the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. And

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Speaker 1: now you are the what's your title? You're the dear

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Speaker 1: dear program coordinator. Man, We're honored to have you today. Man,

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Speaker 1: I got a question for right off the bad. Well,

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Speaker 1: hunt uh deer, whitetail, deer, turkeys, uh, bear, elk an alligator.

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Speaker 1: different places. All right, Editor, cut all that out. We

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Speaker 1: dick down. They're they're wanting to come to Arkansas hunt deer. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: how long have you been with the agency? Uh? I'll

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Speaker 1: have been with the Game and Fish twenty years in March. Okay,

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Speaker 1: for about five now, five years. Okay, well, I want

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Speaker 1: I've got a hundred questions I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: White dash tailed? White tailed? White tails? I want to

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Speaker 1: a report it is what dash tailed and that's the

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Speaker 1: it's a lowercase W. Man problem solved there, you go, Well,

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Speaker 1: collection storytellers, and you guys all heard the intro where, uh,

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Speaker 1: I've made the statement that the white tailed deer hunting

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Speaker 1: culture of North America is really unparalleled in the world

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Speaker 1: in terms of hunting culture. Do you guys agree with that? Ralph?

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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Absolutely? You know what the

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Speaker 1: learning where do you fit on the scale? Like so

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00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: if if if a one is this is a hoax

422
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: and a ten is in the next twenty years there

423
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: will be zero white until deer on the landscape. Where

424
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: do you stand with the severity and the severity of

425
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: the risk that CWD poses on a national scale to deer.

426
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: I'd say a five, and I don't have to be

427
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: I don't like to be in the middle ground. But um,

428
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, if there is a silver lining with c

429
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: b D is that as long as you're not moving

430
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 1: infected material, whether it be live or dead animals on

431
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: the landscape, it does move rather slowly. Um, so you

432
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: know there there is a possibility to get out ahead

433
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: of it. Uh. And where you get out ahead of

434
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: it and you implement these management strategies, there's a potential

435
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: that you could slow it there. Uh. There may be

436
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: places in the state where where beyond that point, um,

437
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: you know, ground zero, Newton County, that that may be

438
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: kind of tough. Now, we might be able to reduce

439
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: the prevalence rate, but as far as slow the spread

440
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: from that area, we may not be able to do. Now.

441
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: So Newton, Kunty, that's that's a that's a good I've

442
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: got a question about that. That is where we first

443
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: found c w D. It's where years ago, I mean

444
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: seventy years ago they introduced ELK in there in and

445
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: we wasn't in the early eighties that put the elk. However,

446
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: so the Black Mountain Creek and all in there. There

447
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: were several elk that were stocked in the forties by

448
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: the Fourth Service and rather than Franklin County, and those disappeared,

449
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: and we don't know what happened. Now those Mountain folks

450
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: may ate them, but you know, we don't know what

451
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: I think some of my incests, but you're right, I mean,

452
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: we the elk that were in the in the Buffalo

453
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: National River Valley there, Um, those were stocked in the

454
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: mid or early to mid nineteen and it's I know,

455
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: there's no maybe no way to prove it, but probably

456
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: c w D came with them. It's a possibility, It's possible.

457
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: But at that point, you know, when those animals removed,

458
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: nobody knew what c WD was. Yeah, they couldn't have

459
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: even measured it. No, I mean, they wouldn't have known.

460
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: And you know, in all honesty, we we have been

461
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: testing elk here in Arkansas since the late nineteen nineties, Um,

462
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: whether it found dead, whether harvested, and you know we

463
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 1: would if if we had it in the elk first,

464
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: we probably would have detected it earlier on the funded Okay,

465
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: so you're so so there. It's a good possibility that

466
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't from malcom. We've we've had deer shipped in

467
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: from all of the over places, um, you know, illegally.

468
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: Uh you know, we we it's really scary. UM. Like

469
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: I said, we we talked a lot of deer bolish

470
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: across the nation. UM. And in Wisconsin they're dear bolished.

471
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: They put a map up of their hot zone and

472
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: then they show all the zip codes of where people

473
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: come from all over the nation to hunt in that

474
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: hot zone. And it's very scary knowing that those people

475
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: are bringing deer back. So we could have been you know,

476
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: it could have originally come from a carcass and we

477
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: don't we don't know that and really at this point

478
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: it's out of the ba Okay, this is my question though,

479
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: is that dear populations in that hot zone in Arkansas

480
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: are going down a lot? Though they are and we

481
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: don't know, we can't pinpoint exactly what that is. Uh,

482
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: we don't know if that's because uh and of course

483
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: we uh we support that those observations with our harvest numbers, UM.

484
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: And we don't know if people are you know, not

485
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: hunting there as much UM. We have a CWD research

486
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: project going on it right now where we've UH rate.

487
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: We're putting GPS colors on deer and we're tracking them.

488
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: We're looking at mortality rates, we're looking at reproduction rates UM.

489
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: And so you know, it could be that, you know,

490
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: the prevalence rate of CWD in Newton County has gotten

491
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: to a point where it may be impacting. We don't

492
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: know that for sure until our our research. Could that

493
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: be a good thing where it dips so low that

494
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: it and I'm not I don't know the disease terminology,

495
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: but where the population gets so low that it the

496
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 1: disease is weakened in some way and then then when

497
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: they come back they don't have it as much or well.

498
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: And so that goes back to one of our management

499
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: spread strategies where we were mooved the three point rule.

500
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: And so right now research suggests that uh buck harvest

501
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: is across all age classes is actually can slow the

502
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: spread of c w D because when you have a

503
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: lot of older age classes or age class bucks in population,

504
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: you know what happens when a year and a half

505
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: old is there, he's gone. He's gonna disperse. And so

506
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: if you can, you can reduce that tension though that

507
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: that need for dispersal. Maybe animals that potentially have it

508
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: won't go as far. We didn't send Rusty over there

509
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: to kill some forking horns like he usually does. Right, Yeah,

510
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: I'll harvest being the only the only way to manage

511
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: it is through harvesting, right, that's exactly right. I mean

512
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: there's there's no known cure, there's no shot, there's no

513
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: feed um. Harvest is our only way right now that

514
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: we can manage. And that's that's why having hunters is

515
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: so important. I mean, if we we stop hunting, we're

516
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: really in trouble. I saw a guy on YouTube one time.

517
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: I'll send you the link. It may help you. Ralph

518
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: Uh this guy, this guy, it was he was dead.

519
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: He he had some kind of mineral lick or something

520
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: that he he was confident was making his dear immune

521
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: to c w D forward you that. I'll forward you

522
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: that I have seen it wouldn't it wasn't a type

523
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: of Arkansas, but I watched it. I was just like, wow,

524
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was some I can't remember, but

525
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: it's probably got cast role in it. You remember, get

526
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: the port on the spoon and yeah, well no, I man,

527
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: I c w We've everybody in the deer community has

528
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: talked a lot about c w D. So that's not

529
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: necessarily what all I want to get into today. But uh,

530
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: but you asked what other you know, our other problem

531
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: is in one of them is hunter recruitment. You know,

532
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: there there are fewer and fewer youngsters now that are

533
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: that are hunting. There there's a lot of uh petition

534
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: for their time. You know, a lot of athletics, you know,

535
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: extracurricular activities and so you know, and when I was,

536
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, hunting, I mean, when dear

537
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: season happened, the world stopped for nine days, that's all

538
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: you did. Uh. And we we didn't muslot hunter or

539
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: archery hunt when I was a kid. We we were

540
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: modern gun hunters. But for nine days, that was it,

541
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, that's what you did. There used to be

542
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: a time when when you played baseball in the summer.

543
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: Now they do it year round. I know folks that

544
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: have that take kids every weekend to baseball. Same thing

545
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: with basketball used to but now they have all these

546
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: other sports and camps and youth leagues and stuff that

547
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: play nearly year round basketball and stuff. The Friday before

548
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: opening day and the Monday after opening weekend, a lot

549
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: of schools were closed. Yeah, now that I graduated high

550
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: school and the first day of um dear season, well

551
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: that Monday, even if it opened on a Saturday, school

552
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: was out. That's right. The same was as where I

553
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: was at Mountainburg that day. I always hated that my

554
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: school did not have dear days, but all the smaller

555
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: school and we were a small school, but for the area,

556
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: we were a bigger school. If you hunted before you

557
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: got caught the bus or before you went to school,

558
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: however you got to school, if you killed a deer

559
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: that morning, you was late. If you brought in your

560
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: hunting license where you had taken deer, it was hey.

561
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: I remember multiple times, and my dad's not here today,

562
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: but this is a good story about my dad. I

563
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: remember multiple times being in school and we had a

564
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: pay phone in the school and my dad worked at

565
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: the bank, you know, before cell phones, you know, and

566
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: I would just it would be a fall day and

567
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: it would be cool outside and we would have gone outside,

568
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, at lunch or something, and I was just like, man,

569
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I'd call my dad and say Hey, dad, will you

570
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: call and check me out of school? I want to go, Dear,

571
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Call him on the pay phone and

572
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: he'd call the office and twenty minutes later, the intercom

573
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: would come on, can we have Clay Nuwcomb? Can we

574
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: have Clay Nucombe please come to the office, And I

575
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: just I just kind of I don't know what's going

576
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: on again. And one of my good friends his his

577
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: dad said that when he was a kid, he would

578
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: load on the bus with shotgun and his dog, my brother,

579
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: and they would go to school and he'd laid his

580
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: shotgun in the corner and the dog would sit outside,

581
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: and then after school they would hunt the fence rows

582
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: for quay all the way home. And uh, he said,

583
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: that's what he did, you know during quail season. That's

584
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: what he did every day. And they let you get

585
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: on the bus with the shop. I'll be darn. My

586
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: older brother can tell the same story, really taking a

587
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: gun on the bus on five. They kept it on

588
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: the school bus. The school bus driver was his football coach.

589
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: They kept it on the bus, locked up, and he

590
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: got on the bus in the evening. He got off

591
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: at a friend's house and they went shooting wood ducks. Well,

592
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: I think I've told this story before. If we're talking

593
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: about guns at school, if I told the one about

594
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: the principal coming old story, Yeah, yeah, I had a

595
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: I brought a gun that my dad bought from me

596
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: to school one day and the principal calls me aside

597
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: and he goes they Clay, I heard you got a

598
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: gun your truck. And I was like yeah, and he's like,

599
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: I want to see it. I went in trouble. We

600
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: walked out, We walked out to the parking lot, and

601
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: he wanted to see it, like just because it was

602
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: a cool gun. Different day, we all had guns in

603
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: our Yeah. Yeah, those racks stick in the backglass, that's

604
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: where they stay. Well, so this this podcast that we

605
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: just came out with, this white Tailed Deer Stories podcasts,

606
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: there's gonna be two. There's gonna be two full episodes

607
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: dedicated to white Tailed Deer Stories. Mose On gonna be

608
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: on the second one. He tells the story. Um, I

609
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: I when I hear James Lawrence, Andy Brown and my

610
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: dad tell a story, it's like I could just listen

611
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: to those guys talk. I tried to imply inside of

612
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: the podcast, how to me, those just aren't stories, but

613
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: they're like really personal to me in different ways, just

614
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: like that's the sound of my world, you know. And

615
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: and and the I kind of got into these deer

616
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: stories are so cool because they do. I mean, we

617
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: all like dear stories because we're deer hunters and we

618
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: want to hear the details of what happened. But stories

619
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: carry so much more than that. And that's what I

620
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: tried to show and and tell in some ways that

621
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: m person to person human communication. It's so valuable. I mean,

622
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: it is so valuable. And I think the reason that

623
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: I liked whitetail deer hunting as a kid was because

624
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: of the way I saw my dad and the men

625
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: that he hunted with, the way they handled it, the

626
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: way they talked about it. It's like, all this stuff's

627
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: going on in my life. But boy, that's really important

628
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: because the way they talked about it, in the excitement

629
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: in their voice and the detail that they went in.

630
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: Because I'd hear those same men tell a story about

631
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: something else and it wasn't nearly as passionate, you know,

632
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. I mean, just there's these

633
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: default messages that are coming to you as a kid

634
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: in in Uh, it had value. Yeah, the value you

635
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: had in and it's like you could tell those I've heard.

636
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: I've heard Gary tell that story before, and I heard

637
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: him tell it again, and I was as glued to

638
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: it then as I was the first time, because I

639
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: had value in that in telling that story to a

640
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: guy that you know, somebody else that just played golf,

641
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: you know, or just played baseball or something, that he's

642
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: not gonna connect as quick because he's not gonna put

643
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: as much value in what he's here. And as as

644
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: you are telling it, well, I can tell you too,

645
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: from you know, being a kid, You're exactly right. I

646
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: mean those stories were valuable. But sitting around the campfire

647
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: at nighttime with your grandpa and his buddies and your

648
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: uncle and your dad and their buddies. I mean as

649
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: a as a nine year old or a ten year old,

650
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: you felt like you were an equal and they were

651
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: telling stories and you're eating dear chili, you know, and

652
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, staying up past what your normal

653
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: bedtime was, and and uh, I mean it was a

654
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean just hanging on every word that those guys

655
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: were saying, that the stories that they were telling that

656
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: was it was just phenomenal. Yeah. My dad and all

657
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: my uncles were all hunters, and a lot of times

658
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: they'd get together and when I just a kid and

659
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: be talking about their hunts from that year, the year before,

660
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: the upcoming hunts, and you was just glued to it,

661
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, even when I wasn't allowed to go hunting.

662
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: It when I was just a young kid. I remember that.

663
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: You know, any of those guys real good storytellers. Would

664
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: you would you have would you have characterized them as that? Yes?

665
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: I would. Uh, I've I've got, I say I've got.

666
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: I had two uncles and my dad. They're all passed away,

667
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: all my families passed away with my uncle's and my everybody.

668
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: But the three of them that hunted a lot together,

669
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: they all could tell a pretty good story. I mean it,

670
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: it got you glued to it. Like he was talking

671
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: about your dad's and Brent was talking about listening to

672
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: that story of your dad's. Uh, you didn't matter how

673
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: many times you heard it, you was stuck to it.

674
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: You just sit there and you listened, and you listen

675
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: on every word, you know, and tried to pick out

676
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: what was going to happen. Next, even though you knew

677
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: what was gonna happen because you already heard the story,

678
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: but it's still you was just in ten on wanting

679
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: to listen to it. So, yeah, what was So the

680
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: stories that were told and I want to hear some

681
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: of you guys stories here in a minute. Of the

682
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: stories that were told on that podcast, Rusty, which one

683
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: stood out to you? Oh, the moun shraft really? Yeah,

684
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean that that's just extraordinary. I mean that that

685
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: was a wild story. I mean yeah, I don't know

686
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: if I've heard anything close to that. Yeah, I mean

687
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: hoisting that thing about that mine shaft. Yeah, and it

688
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: just only had a little bit of water in the

689
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: bottom of it. Yeah, I mean it could have been

690
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: full of water, you know. Yeah, that was definitely about hunting.

691
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: Word of y'all all missing the whole thing here, holes

692
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: in the ground, you don't want to go there, coon

693
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: out in the whole lot. Actually hunting where there is

694
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: a mind shaft is blowing my mind. Yeah. Yeah, And

695
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: oh it certainly wasn't marked. There wasn't a road to it. There.

696
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: There's just out in that part of the world, there's

697
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: just there's just mine shafts, random places. Uh, and and yeah,

698
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: I thought Randy did a good job of telling that

699
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: story too. He uh um, yeah, he just I like

700
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: the way he I liked the way he told it,

701
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: and and I like one of my favorite parts was

702
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: the very end when he said, and I went back

703
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: with my kids, and that mine shafts the water and

704
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: there's a fishing. I thought that was funny. But yeah,

705
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: but that was good resting what she said. And there

706
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: was a lot in that too, if you when he

707
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: was telling that story about he called he called it

708
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: was it Andy Scott, Andy's son and my good friend

709
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: Scott Brown called Scott and uh He's like, yeah, man,

710
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm bringing your powder. I'm coming to you. Yeah. That's

711
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: that was the whole thing to me, the whole thing

712
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: getting that buck out of that was he called somebody

713
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: he cared about, that cared about him, that knew who

714
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: left work. I'm pretty sure, yeah, to go out there

715
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: and help him, man Tom Rodderie right there. But the

716
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: moral of that story is, don't ever go hunting without

717
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: telling somebody we're going. Yeah. Yeah, one time in the

718
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: ozarks On public Land, I remember, I was turkey hunting.

719
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: That was talking about holding the ground and and and

720
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: telling somebody where you're at. I was turkey hunting by

721
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: myself public land, and I was hiking up this real

722
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: steep ridge and I stopped to take a break and

723
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: was leaning on my shotgun, just breathing hard, and I

724
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: looked down by my foot and there was a hole

725
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: about as big as a softball in the ground. Just

726
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: it was kind of odd because there were no rocks

727
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: around it. It was just leaf litter, and there was

728
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: just a hole. And it didn't look like it was

729
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: angled like armadilla hole. There was no debris pile like

730
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: where something had been digging, just a hole. And I

731
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: was like, huh, that's weird. I took the butt of

732
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: my shotgun and Bopp just kind of tapped on it,

733
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: and that that thing just collapsed and opened up into

734
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: a hole a bout as big as a beach ball,

735
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: and it was so deep that you could drop a

736
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: rock down and it would be like ding dinging. No

737
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: way it was. It was a sinkhole. And you know,

738
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: you you had a hard time falling in it, just

739
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: because I mean big as a beach ball. You'd have

740
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: to like put your hands in the air and just

741
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: jumped in it. But I was like, holy smoke, I

742
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: guess only one of my legs will probably fitting it.

743
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: It was it was in the Ozarks where we have

744
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: this limestone shell and a lot of stuff, and the

745
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: rocks dissolved, like there's big there are big sink holes

746
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: in the Ozarks. That's just what it was. Yeah, it

747
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: was weird. It was game and flat ground. For the

748
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: love of humanity, you're gonna get killed. Rust of which,

749
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: what was your bouncing off of that as a youth,

750
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: um my dad, I mean he's a crazy deer hunter

751
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: and he didn't take up no slack with me as

752
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: like an eight year old or whatever. So we'd walk

753
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: in it, you know, three thirty am, two hours before daylight.

754
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: And then on the way back to the truck, I'd

755
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: be like, there's a drop off right by the trail

756
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: that we walked in. He's like, oh, yeah, shut up,

757
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: fell into it. I'm gonna I'm glad I didn't, Yeah,

758
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: because I mean we were going on some steep up.

759
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I couldn't say anything in the dark, though,

760
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: better followed close behind him. Favorite story you heard for sure,

761
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: and then I really like my favorite part was they

762
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: didn't want to damage the handlers. Yeah, yeah, let's Laris

763
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: think how we're getting them out of here. Yeah, that's value.

764
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: Which one stood out with you? That one obviously, I

765
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: mean that's the one in the minute. You can't say

766
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: the same one they but okay, new rule, can't say

767
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: the same one the other Terry, Terry the Yankee. That

768
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: was a good story, Tony, Tony, Tony was good like

769
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: Tony story and he told a good story. Yeah in

770
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: the beans. Yeah, and you know he's he said everything

771
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: that happened, he never thought it would happen. He already

772
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: he's already cursed, he says, he never one he's got.

773
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to him about going to that wed

774
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: and dear in Deer Season for the love of humanity,

775
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: who his friend absolute he was not his friend friend,

776
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: he would have never done that. But then you know,

777
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: he didn't get to go opening day, and then everything

778
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: that he proved the old point that you can't kill

779
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: him at the house, regardless if you got an opportunity

780
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: to go saddle up and get out there. And then

781
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: just when he thought things were there's no way that

782
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: deer is going to come from there. There's no way

783
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: that deer is gonna keep coming. There's no way that

784
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: deer is gonna be ten ft, no way he's even

785
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: gonna see a deer. Because he ran in there and

786
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: got all sweaty. He had already wrote it off. I mean,

787
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: he basically just wrote it off. And and those are

788
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: the funny stimes when you get one you really weren't expecting.

789
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: Which story stood out to you mind that I liked

790
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: the bass was Andy Brown's about the deer, you know,

791
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: on the finding the tracks and and then hunting and

792
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: killing that big deer. And then at the end of the

793
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: the story he talks about he said, but that wasn't

794
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: the deer that I was. But that whole story this

795
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: way told it was really good. I can associate with

796
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: that because he huts a lot of the same not

797
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: the same area, but the same type of train with

798
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: the mountain saddles and all that that I do. And

799
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: I could I could just see everything that he was

800
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: talking about. Man, When when when Andy and and Scott

801
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: and some of these other guys that that they hunt

802
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: with tell stories. Man, sometimes somebody can belabor something so

803
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: much you're just like, come on, get to the point.

804
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes people tell the story and you just wanted to

805
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: keep going, and you're sad when it ends, and and

806
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of that has to do with context,

807
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: Like if you pull up on the side of the

808
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: road and talking to somebody where your cars running, you know,

809
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: you kind of got to understand, this is not the

810
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: time to give like the extended version of this story.

811
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: But in the right moment, in the right context, a

812
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: good long story, especially from someone you deeply respect, is

813
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: just what you order. And man, Andy I Love actually

814
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: had to cut down some of his story, so he

815
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: didn't really hear the full version with all the pauses

816
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: and different things, just because the format. We had to

817
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: tighten it up a little bit. But man, he tells

818
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: a detailed story. I mean it starts off with the

819
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: with the scouting trip, and I mean he just he

820
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: just kind of went into everything. But what you learned

821
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: from that kind of stuff is you learned a lot

822
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: about how to scout, what to look for, when to

823
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: move on, when to keep going, how his season laid out.

824
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: I mean, there, if you listen to it, just like, okay,

825
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: when is he gonna kill this? There, You're you're missing

826
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: the point. But there was I was telling Misty, even

827
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: him talking about a cotton mouth that he wished he'd killed.

828
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: And uh and and just and he's a great storyteller

829
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: and a great hunter. I like what most said, want

830
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: to go. He he left the story were that big

831
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: track that was not so it sticks in your mind.

832
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: And I've been wondering ever since. I wonder how big? Yeah, yeah,

833
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean I'm wanting to go and see you know, yeah,

834
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: but I've gotta By the time this comes out, I

835
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: will have already posted. But I'm gonna post a picture

836
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: of the deer that he killed. Uh it was it

837
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: was a nineteen point just a while. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah,

838
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: you can't count very good. Uh, heck of a deer.

839
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: And uh and it wasn't the biggest deer and he's

840
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: ever killed either. He said it was the second biggest,

841
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: is what he said on that wasn't it? Well, if

842
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: he said that, I don't remember that. That's what he said.

843
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he said this was a second. I'm

844
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: pretty sure this is my second for sure, said that

845
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: he never killed one like it before. Yeah, but then

846
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: only he said, I've killed a bigger deer too, And

847
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: he said, I come to think it, I think this

848
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: is probably the second biggest deer either that or your

849
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: or your Dad's story one because I get him confused.

850
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, talk about it. So my favorite story I

851
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: think has to be James Lawrence, even though Andy, Dad

852
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: and James kind of all were right there. And then

853
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: as far as the excitement of the story, the mind

854
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: cheft story, I loved that one is just kind of

855
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: a shocking ending, you know. But James Lawrence, I mean,

856
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: mainly because he's just my hero and he uh, you know,

857
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: James is not a big storyteller, like if you're sitting

858
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: around a room like this, like he's not gonna talk,

859
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: like he's the guy that's just kind of sitting back

860
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: waiting to be spoken to. But when he talks, he

861
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: knows what he's talking about. And uh oh, I I

862
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of I just like, I just liked h James

863
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: really got fired up about that deer, which you can

864
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, because he was actually afraid the

865
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: deer was gonna run him over, is what he was

866
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: trying to say, you know, because he had those hawks

867
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 1: on the deer was coming and he never used hawks

868
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: on his body again because it spooked him. And you know,

869
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a veteran hunter. And if he tells

870
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: me he was spooked in the woods, he wasn't being dramatic.

871
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: He really got spooked. He thought that deer was gonna

872
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: run him over. My favorite part of it is when

873
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: he said that towards Enevy's story there he told he said,

874
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: he said, you know, he shot the deer and all that,

875
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: and then he I forget how he quoted, and he said,

876
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: and I realized that that deer was coming to me.

877
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: He he was gonna he wanted to take care of

878
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: me because he thought I was, you know, taking over

879
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: his area. Yeah, yeah, uh, Ralph, which one stood out

880
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: to you? Man? The mind shafted me was just one

881
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: of those is like, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

882
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: And I've loaded a lot of deer, so I can

883
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: only imagine two guys pulling that thing up. But as

884
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: a biologist, the clicker, dear, dear to me? Was it interesting?

885
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking the whole time, I'm thinking, I'm wondering

886
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: to that guy, I'm wondering if that deer's grinner's broke

887
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: U why was he clicking? I was wondering what was

888
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: going on? Do you have any inside that. I have

889
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: no idea. That's what I'm thinking the whole time. I'm thinking,

890
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's Grinner's broke. I've actually heard, hey

891
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: before we go today, I've actually seen those little things

892
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: he talked about, the little tweel thing you turned. Have

893
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: you ever seen those ralphs clicking call? I really thought

894
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: it was to uh to imitate you know, you know,

895
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's but the click. I was like,

896
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 1: that thinks that Grenner's got to be broken. I've actually

897
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: heard that one time in the wild. What did it

898
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: sound like? Just like a like a single click. Grunt

899
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: is a series of clicks. Clicks, no grunted, No, no, no,

900
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying that grunt is a series of clicks. So yeah, yeah,

901
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: if you could just do like one, pop your tongue

902
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: with it, Yeah, that's it. I've heard it one time

903
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: in the wild and Arkansas. It was a hall of

904
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: being and that's the only time I've ever heard it. Huh,

905
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: this is told me so when I first it was,

906
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: there was three bucks And when I first heard the

907
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: bucks coming, it was like a loud just a b

908
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, whoa, what is that? Yeah? I

909
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: was like on a little island and I was in

910
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: the middle of a cut cornfield. Well I've seen the

911
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: dog coming and this book was behind her or yeah,

912
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: he was right behind her and they come out there

913
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: in front of me. They stopped, and there's another buck

914
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: run up there, and then another little six point run

915
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: up and they were just kind of circling her. She

916
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: was out there and at six point got over really

917
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: close and that one that biggest buck started. Yeah, and

918
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: he looked over at him and he just charged him

919
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: and hit him in the side and just rolling. Yes,

920
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: So this story is confirmation of what said. Have you

921
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: ever seen a black panther? No, I have not, how

922
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: about ever built woodpeck. That's that is for real. That's

923
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: I've been hunting all my life and that's the first

924
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: time and the only time I've ever heard it. But

925
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: I have heard it, and then, I mean it was

926
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: loud and distinct. He said, them old timers he talked

927
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: to you that said that that They said that dominant

928
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: buck was he was the dominant buck making that noise.

929
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: It was the big one that was doing it. That's interation. Yeah, yeah,

930
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: I've never I've never heard one click like that. But

931
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: I can't. It's so wild. Deer vocalizations are so elusive.

932
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I've hunted my whole life, killed quite a

933
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: few deer, ben in the woods a lot in the fall,

934
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: and I mean it's like, did I hear a buck

935
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: deer grunt last year? I don't even know if I did.

936
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's not really Yeah, I don't know.

937
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: I just don't. You don't. You don't hear him all

938
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: the time, do you guys hear him? Yeah, y'all just

939
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: don't ever kill him, y'all just let him go, especially

940
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: especially in the Midwest, are really vocal out there. But

941
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm I hear it every year here in Arkansas. Yeah,

942
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: if it's a rut and I don't see a buck

943
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: and he's not grunting, and I'm like, what's going on? Yeah,

944
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: I hear a lot. I hear a lot of grunting.

945
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of different vocalizations, but the clicking one,

946
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: to me, is is kind of new. Yeah. Now, I

947
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: don't hear a lot of fighting, like clashing of antlers. No,

948
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: they'll tickle them, but they just don't get after it

949
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: like they do in Midwest. Right. Well, Hey, I I

950
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: meant to do this at the beginning, but I gotta

951
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: do it now. So Phelps Game Calls just came out

952
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: with a full new series of grunt tubes. It also

953
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: they've got multiple styles of grunt tubes. Yeah, they got

954
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: a clicking call, Jason felt. Yeah, let me know what.

955
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: So Rusty Johnson the other thing that he has a

956
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: secret grunt calls he's clicking on click. Um these calls

957
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: are there's a there's Alpha Pro, which is a just

958
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: a smaller call with a tube on it, and then

959
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: there's the Beta Beta Pro with uh it's acrylic. There

960
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: freeze proof that if if you feel it full of

961
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: suraliva blowing on the thing, it's not gonna freeze. What

962
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: I like about him is that you can blow them

963
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: super soft. Sometimes when you're blow on a call, you

964
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: gotta before it goes and you'll end up. You can

965
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: you can blow it just as soft. I mean sometimes

966
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: a deer will be right up under your stand and

967
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: you can just barely hear him. And then sometimes he's

968
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: out there sixty seventy yards and you can hear him.

969
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: Why why you know that they a deer has a

970
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: pretty big range of volume, and so man if he's

971
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: if you just want to soft ground. To me, that's

972
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: what makes a good grunt call. And they won't top

973
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: out when you just blow on him. Sometimes the reed

974
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: sticks on one when you're if a deer is out

975
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: there a hundred and twenty yards and the winds hallen

976
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: and you're just trying to throw a hell Mary and

977
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: just just hit it hard. Sometimes the red will flatten

978
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: out and it won't blow. But these Phelps calls are

979
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: for real, the real deal, and uh, there they are.

980
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: They they were launched on October the eleven, so this

981
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: here podcast comes out on October the twelfth. So you

982
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: can buy these at at the Medior dot com, Phelps

983
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: dot com. So they've got they've got a couple of tubes,

984
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: the Alpha and the Beta that have the the tubeottom

985
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: which man, I I like, you have some good inflection

986
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: with that flexible tube. It sounds good. Yeah, But if

987
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: you don't, if you want a smaller call and you

988
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: don't want the tube they make. Uh they call this

989
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: the Omega hybrid, which is like an acrylic call kind

990
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: of almost the size of like a goose call. No

991
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: tube and uh it's uh, it doesn't have the doesn't

992
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: have the tube, rest of the institubes the ticket. Yeah,

993
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: but anyway, those are for sale. Phelps start, Phelps, Phelps

994
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: game calls. They've also got a doubly eat and a fawn,

995
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: uh fawn call full line of deer calls. So faun,

996
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: that's what I like. That's what Brent likes to kill.

997
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: That's a brand call. That's it. Um, I look like

998
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: I had to be a bear attractive. Now. Yes, I

999
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: used as a predator call. Now I told on this podcast. No,

1000
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't on this podcast. Y'all. Remember the story of

1001
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: my son. My son, Bear's got a cool name. When

1002
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: he was couldn't have been more than a year and

1003
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: a half old, eighteen months or something. Uh, I took

1004
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: him to hang a tree stand with me, and it

1005
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: was in in uh like late summer. Took him, carried

1006
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: him in, carried my sticks and my tree stand and

1007
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: before season, we're just going to hang a stand. I

1008
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: started hanging the ladders and get way up in the tree.

1009
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: So I'm like twenty ft up in the tree and uh,

1010
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: bear gets scared down on the ground because I'm not

1011
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: down there with him, and he's scared and he starts crying,

1012
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: just straight up, just crying. And I'm trying to hang

1013
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: this tree stands so I can't go down to him.

1014
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, hey, but it's okay, it's okay.

1015
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm whispering. He just gets crying all the more. He

1016
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: cries for I don't know a couple of minutes, and

1017
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: directly I hear the woods just coming just crash, crashed.

1018
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I hear something running in. It's real thick woods,

1019
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: and a doe deer comes busting in and skids to

1020
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: a stop. I mean, I remember it being like six

1021
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: or eight feet from him, maybe it was fifteen feet,

1022
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: but this doe deer, it was real thick and she

1023
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: just ran. She believed it was a faun in distress,

1024
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: skinned to a stop, seize him, and then you know, disappears,

1025
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: and bear quit crying and looked up at me, and

1026
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: he said, you knew what was He said, Dear, It

1027
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: was just like he said, you're not gonna believe. I

1028
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: was down there on the ground and a deer red up.

1029
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: She thought it was a deer. There was a boothy birth. Dear,

1030
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Corrant needs to get a spotted pone uh pocket watch.

1031
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: Deal that'll be for Sunday. Yeah, yeah, Ralph, I told you.

1032
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: I asked you when you came, I said, bring your

1033
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: best dear story, so we want to hear it if

1034
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: you got it. Man, I've got a lot of great

1035
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: deer stories, but one of my favorites, uh was actually

1036
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: I was living in lonok and I put in for

1037
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: a permit muzzloader permit draw on Holland Bottom's w m

1038
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: a right outside of a cabin and uh my brother

1039
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: in law, who is from eastern Arkansas, he put in

1040
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: for as well, and he drew one. And uh, I've

1041
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: always wanted to hunt out of a canoe, and so

1042
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: I went to a place there, uh in Ozark body

1043
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: used canoe so proud of that thing. And I was like,

1044
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna float this canoe in hauling bottoms his permit hunt,

1045
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill a deer. And uh So the Friday

1046
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: before the permit hunt, I go out there. The ditches

1047
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: are dry, the bios are dry. There was there was

1048
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: hardly any water in place. And I was so broken hearted,

1049
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: and the mosquitoes were eating my eyes out. And I

1050
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: told my brother and I said, We're not gonna be hunt.

1051
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: The mosquitoes are so bad. He saw, no, I'm for me.

1052
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: Stark saw I can do this. And at that time

1053
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: I worked on fish farm, so I was pretty used

1054
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: to mosquitoes, the term itsels, though, oh no, there were

1055
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: no thermurselfs this and this is this is and uh,

1056
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: I was like this, this is it. I can't believe

1057
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: I just bought a canoe. And so we went out

1058
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: Saturday morning hunted that morning about nine o'clock. My brother

1059
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: in law he tapped out and he said, I can't

1060
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: handle this. I said, I told you it's bad. So

1061
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: we're we're walking out with our muzzluvers between our tails,

1062
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: when legs, and these two girls to two ladies, uh

1063
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: in in black sweats and in rubber boots. They're walking

1064
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: out out with what I thought were howitzers over their shoulder,

1065
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: that caliber musselotters, big god octagon barrels. And my brother

1066
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: in law goes, they're more of a man than I am.

1067
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: And so we were kind of kind of whipped and

1068
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: and uh, I said, now I don't I'm not gonna

1069
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: hunt this evening. So Sunday rolled around the next day

1070
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: and a storm blew in and it was a cold front.

1071
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: Uh just dumps like two inches of rain and I

1072
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: saw I called my brother in law, said, hey, let's

1073
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: go back out there. Let's just look and see what happened.

1074
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: And mosquitoes were gone, there was water and everything, and

1075
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: uh a lot of the hunters left and this was

1076
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: a five day permit. So we walked in there with

1077
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: our boots we had hit boots on and we found

1078
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: this this ridge, I don't know, probably about three quarters

1079
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: of a mile and we'd walked down this road that

1080
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: was flooded and it was just like a tunnel. It

1081
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: was just beautiful. Just everything was calm. I could swear it.

1082
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: And down there was there was snowflakes every once in

1083
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: a while. And this was in October, and uh so

1084
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: we walked in there and I had my stand with me,

1085
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: and uh, I said, Clay, we're gonna we're gonna hunt

1086
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: this this afternoon. I said, this, this is perfect, and

1087
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean I was just riding on cloud nine. And

1088
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: so I hung my stand and I said, you meet

1089
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: me back here at the truck at two o'clock. We're

1090
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna get the canoe. We're gonna ride in here. I'll

1091
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: hunt this end of the ridge and you hunt the

1092
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: other end. So I had meant there was a boat

1093
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: missing on my on my dear stand. It was just

1094
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: a lock on stand. I said, well, I'm gonna go

1095
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: back find a boat for that. You meet me here,

1096
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: we'll go hunting. So I go back, and uh, I

1097
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: was like I told my wife. I said, a load

1098
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: up canoe. I said, I gotta find a boat, and

1099
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna meet Clay. So we get down there

1100
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: and two o'clock rolls around and he's not there. To

1101
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: thirty rolls around, he's not there. I'm like, ah, I

1102
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: gotta go. So I get in the canoe and I

1103
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 1: take off. You out there hang my stand. At three

1104
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: oh three o'clock straight up, I'm sitting in my dear

1105
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: stand and it starts to miss and I got my

1106
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: muzzloaded land across my lap and so I had this

1107
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: old army punch on. I just laid it across this

1108
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: this gun, and uh, when I'm deer hunting, I like

1109
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: to chew the back of That's just what I like

1110
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: to do. And so I just put one in my mouth.

1111
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: About two minutes later, I hear this walking in the

1112
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: I can hear water splashing. I was like, what is that?

1113
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: And so I kind of look and this deer comes

1114
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: up out of the water. I can tell he was

1115
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: a buck, and he wouldn't have a huge Bucky's two

1116
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: an half year old buck. And he walks up and

1117
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: he just lays down about forty yards from me and

1118
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: just lays down. And I'm thinking, man, this is the

1119
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. And so every time I try to spit,

1120
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: that deer would look at me. At some point I'm

1121
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: thinking I'm not swallowing well at I here's more water coming,

1122
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 1: you know, just rustling around like, man, there's more deer.

1123
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: And I looked back there and it's my brother in

1124
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: law and he had to have hit boots to get

1125
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: in there, and he walks up there. So I got

1126
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: the deer about forty forty five yards laying down in

1127
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: front of me. And my brother in law has a

1128
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: launch chair and he's like seventy five yards to my right,

1129
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: and he's he never sees me in the tree, even

1130
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: though I'm wearing orange and I'm sitting there watching him

1131
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: open his launch chair. He takes a leak and he

1132
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: gets a deer year out and this deer is laying

1133
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: there and there's some some coral berry about I don't know,

1134
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: knee high and this deer would pick his head up

1135
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: over and I'm watching this deer watch my brother in

1136
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: law who's not seventy five yards from him. This whole time,

1137
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: for two hours, my brother get up and he'd cough,

1138
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, Clay, what are you doing? And so

1139
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm watching this deer. And then ever so often that

1140
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: deer w with jerk his head and he would look

1141
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: at men, both of them us. But it really, I

1142
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: mean watching his reaction to Clay. Really, I mean opened

1143
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: my eyes to how you know, you could be in

1144
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: the woods and deers laying down he's watching him. And

1145
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: as long as you don't he don't smell you, you know,

1146
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: or it's no quick reactionarything, he may not jump. And

1147
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting there watching the deer and I'm I'm learning,

1148
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm having a heck of a time other

1149
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: than not being able to spend And it just happen

1150
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: to know Clay, but uh, and I love Clay. We've

1151
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: had a lot of we've had a lot of different

1152
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: adventures together. But I'm like, what the world are you doing?

1153
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: You know? And so um at five oh five, this

1154
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: so this deer had laid down between beside two trees.

1155
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: There was a bigger tree and a smaller tree around

1156
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: next to it, and all I could really see was

1157
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: the front part of his his chest and his neck

1158
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: when he was tick his head out to look at clay. Now,

1159
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: where you wanting to shoot this dere? Well, So you know,

1160
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: when I first, when we first got there, I thought, Man,

1161
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: this is elaradly in the hunt. I'm not even gonna

1162
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: shoot this there. Who knows what else is gonna come

1163
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: up here. So as it got darker and darker, and

1164
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: my brother in law started making more and more noise,

1165
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: I think, if I'm going to shoot one, I better

1166
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: do it now, because there was water all around us.

1167
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: The you know, the chances of finding him with a

1168
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: muzzleloader in the dark through the water is pretty low.

1169
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: I thought, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do

1170
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: it now. And so, because a lot of my buddies

1171
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: had told me I was crazy for buying that canoe

1172
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: for hunting in Holland, bombs with a canoe, and so

1173
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 1: I wanted some vindication, you know, And so that there

1174
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: he and so finally he reaches back to lick himself

1175
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: and I pulled that poncho off that musslo or put

1176
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: a cap on it, and I just waited about ten

1177
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: more seconds, and he kind of turned his head and

1178
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: I pulled a mussloer up, and my brother in law

1179
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: made a sound, and that deer stuck his neck out,

1180
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: and I shot him right in the neck and just

1181
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean his head. It's wonder he didn't break his

1182
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: jawb on his head hit so hard, you know, And

1183
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: and then I could hear through smoke, I could hear

1184
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: my brother and lost a couple of expletives. And so

1185
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: when the smoke clears, I could see him picking himself

1186
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: up off the ground, had fallen back out of his chair,

1187
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: and so I yelled over, I said, clay, and he's

1188
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: like and then he yelled a couple more explosives, and

1189
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: so I got down and said, hey, you ain't gonna

1190
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: believe this. So I explained to him what happened this

1191
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: whole time, and said, hey, come help me pull this

1192
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: deer out. And he said, you didn't shoot, no, dude,

1193
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: you just did that scare of me. I said, oh no,

1194
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: I did. It's laying row here, and so he walked

1195
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: up there to it and he said, a couple more exploitives.

1196
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: I can't believe this. So we pulled that deer up

1197
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: to the canoe and uh, I've got I've got a

1198
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: picture of him, that deer and me in that canoe,

1199
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: floating out in that tunnel, trees on that water. And

1200
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: that was that was probably the great one of the

1201
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: greatest deer hunts that I've ever had, uh, because I

1202
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: told those boys that worked that I was coming back

1203
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: with a deer, and he was like, you're you're lying,

1204
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: You're lying. And so when they've seen that deer, they

1205
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: they're like, I can't believe that. Oh, that's awesome. That's

1206
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: a great story. And I've got I've got those antlers

1207
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: in a picture in my office at work. I mean,

1208
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: that's gotta be one you need. You need to text

1209
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: me a picture of that photo if you would. Yeah,

1210
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: I'd like to see that. Yeah, it'd be cool. Yeah.

1211
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: It was just one of those that it went from high,

1212
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: super high to get the hunt on that that permit

1213
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: hunt and knowing what caliber deer there to a super

1214
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: low with the mosquitoes and no water and buying a canoe,

1215
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: not getting floated back to a super high again, I

1216
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: mean it was just a roller coaster ride of a

1217
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: of a hunt. That's a good one, man, that is

1218
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: a good one. All right, So now it's time that

1219
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: we do the bear Grease swap shop. Here we go. Yep.

1220
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: So did y'all know that we uh we we have

1221
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: our listeners send stuff into bear Grease at the medeator

1222
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: dot com, stuff that they want to sell and uh

1223
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: and that. But they have to have their Instagram handle,

1224
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: their Facebook handle to be able to to sell it.

1225
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: And we, you know, we we we we we pick

1226
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: and choose what we put on here. But here we go.

1227
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 1: All right, we've got this. Uh, we've got a listing

1228
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: from a man by the name of buck Lester with

1229
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: an Instagram handle of buck dot Lester, and he has

1230
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: this is what he says. He said, Hey, I heard

1231
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: on the podcast that one of you mentioned hoping to

1232
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: have a nineteen eight two trans am. He said, well,

1233
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't have a trans am, but I do have

1234
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 1: the next best thing, a nineteen eighties seven El Camino

1235
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: with a three oh five small block in a four

1236
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: barrel carb my first vehicle and a heck of a rig.

1237
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: He has a picture of it here and it's it's

1238
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: a nice looking el Camino man, and uh he says

1239
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: it does needs it says hundred forty nine thousand miles,

1240
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: four stock rams, four Kraiger rims, power locks and windows,

1241
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: has some large dents and rust, but it runs and drives.

1242
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 1: Needs some tires five thousand dollars all right, So you

1243
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: can contact buck Lester at buck dot Lester on Instagram.

1244
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: That's pretty legit man, you haul out some deer and that. Yeah,

1245
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: that could be like the machine. Yeah, that's a business

1246
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: in the front. Incredible. Okay, So this next one, uh

1247
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: is this is actually a pretty functional one. This guy says, howdy,

1248
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: he said, calling all fellow sasquatches which rest in my

1249
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm how tall are you resting? Calling all fellows sasquatches.

1250
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: I got me a pair of Lowa Tibbot hunting boots

1251
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: sized fifteen. They're a little too small for me. All

1252
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: this guy is as they fit more like a fourteen

1253
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: used for about a season and a half. Two d

1254
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars or best offer. So his Instagram handle

1255
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: is big Underscore Sasky Underscore man b I G Underscore

1256
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: s A s k Y Underscore mayn nice looking pair

1257
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: of low of boots. I would imagine those are four

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01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: boots been Warren just a couple of times. Well, Clay,

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01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: I just looked at my You wear a fourteen, so

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01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: he might be marketing directly to you. You need some

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01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: really good movies. Break up the pocket. Okay, and here

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01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,919
Speaker 1: we have our our last Burgary swapshop entry for the day.

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01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: We've got a I'm gonna read what this man says. Well,

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01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: for sale a thirteen foot Boston Whaler boat for the

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01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: thirty horsepower Yamaha outboard and an easy loader trailer. He's

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01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: asking fifty five dollars all right, This Boston Whaler is

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01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: ready to help any p NW outdoorsman. What's that mean?

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01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest job rust on their honey and fishing adventures.

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01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: It's perfect for duck hunting on the coast, trolling, soak, baker, laker, brute. Oh,

1270
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: he's given away fishing spots and get into the secluded

1271
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: upland bird spots on the Columbia or the Snake. He's

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01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: a salesman to a salesman, or any of the inland lakes.

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01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: I recently got the boat dialed in, but I'm building

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: my house and could use the extra cash. I like

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01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes a good salesman will tell you a little bit

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01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: more information that you need to know to try to

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01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: rope in to trust him with me. And this man said,

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01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, I need a little cash to build my house.

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01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: I like it. Details recently repacked the trailer hubs with grease,

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: installed new trailer lights. The motor is a two stroke

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01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: and runs well, new steering, new throttle cables, new battery.

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01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: Thirty five pound thrust electric trolling motor included build out

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01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,480
Speaker 1: a one inch marine grade ply built out of one

1284
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 1: one inch marine grade plywood. It was stained and sealed.

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01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: The price also includes a five gallon gas tanks and

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: a fish finder and fire extinguishers, flares, a horn, three

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01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: rod holders, telescoping paddle man. Contact Cameron Stone. Oh wow.

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: Cameron put his email addressed Cameron. You don't want to

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01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: do that, brother, but we're gonna put it because he

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01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: gave it to us. I can see an email Cameron,

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01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: if you're serious, Cameron dot s dot Stone at gmail

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01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: dot com. I can see reston right now, Paris sliding

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01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: with them four number size fourteen or fifteen and the

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 1: l Camino hooked up to this Boston oh Man sliding.

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01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get all three before this podcast drops. Yeah, Crade,

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01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: you'd have loading that thing in. This is like a

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01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 1: package deal that comes with a G five gallon gas tank?

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01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: Is that full or empty? Because that don't affect You'll

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01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: have to email cameras need some boxing glows. If you're

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01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: going to buy me, then that. Yeah. But if you

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01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: pull up the El Camino with that, nobody that's great.

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: Preston don't want it, then maybe he used to bite

1303
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: for a new Doss Boat episode that Yeah, yeah, pull

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01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: it el Camino across the I'd like to take that

1305
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: hunting about that strap of bear on top. There you go,

1306
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: put a wench in the back and we pull them

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01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: up in the back luster by the del Camino and

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01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: put that boat behind it. Mullet machine man, grow mullet ralph.

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: I got a question before we get out of here,

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01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 1: shoot forever and I've seen a study that was published

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01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: out of I think it was South Carolina Department Natural

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 1: Resources did a study on the effects of coon hunting

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01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:39,919
Speaker 1: bothering deer or deer hunters. If you got an opinion

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01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: on that, if you get as far as what the

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: I do so growing up coon hunting was my number

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01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: one sport, even above deer hunting. We we coon hunted

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: six nights a week. And the only reason we didn't

1318
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: coon hunt on Sunday night was we had school Monday morning,

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01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: which we coon hundred rest of weeks. It really didn't matter.

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: So I didn't figure that out. But U we coon

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01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: hunted all time, and uh, you know, there were a

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01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: lot of nights that we would walk in on a

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: trade coon and our lights would hit deer and we'd

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01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: walk right past them and it and it never bothered them. Um.

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01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: I think what happens is when you get a dog

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: that does chase deer, or you hunt in a location

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01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: you maybe four or five times in a week, then

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01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: you may uh you know, be creating some disturbance on

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: those deer. But you gotta remember, you know, deer or primary.

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01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're primary's considered crepuscular, so they they move

1331
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: early morning in late evening, that's their primary times to move. Now,

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: they'll they'll eat all day long, but you know at

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01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: nighttime they have better vision, um, and so they don't

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01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: probably get as much disturbance at that time of the night,

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01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: so it probably doesn't bother them. I think what bothers them.

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01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: And it's just like deer leases. When when somebody hunts

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01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: a deer stands, they ride that foiler in their set

1338
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: even days a week. That dear patterns that person. They

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: know when they're there and when they leave. And so

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01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: it's as opposed to to coon hunters. You may walk

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01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: into one place one time and a night and you

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01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: may not be back there forever. You know, I just

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01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: don't think that that, you know, just one you know,

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01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: by happenstance and counter with with some hunters and a

1345
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: coon dog, that deer is gonna change. It's that's its

1346
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: movements or its patterns based on that. Now, if those

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01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: dogs get after that deer, then yeah, there there maybe

1348
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: some change. But if that you know what I read

1349
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: that have you read that's seen that stuffy I have.

1350
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: There was even it was like there was one car.

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01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: It was an enclosed place and they had these collar

1352
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: deer and there's like thousands of acres and they had

1353
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: this collar deer and they the one deer that was

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01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: actually chased by the coon dog. It struck him and

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01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: running before daylight the next morning, that deer has made

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01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: his way back and was within just a few feet

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01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: of where he was bidded, and that's flametry data. Got

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01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: off it came back and laid back down where it'll

1359
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: get jumping. So and I've seen it forever. You know.

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01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: I coon on a lot and my buddy right there

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01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: on a tree and looking around. Hey there's a deer.

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01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: My buddy Ford van Fawsen, who works for first Light,

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01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: conservation director for first Light. He once brought up that

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01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: study to me and uh, he said, uh. He said, yeah,

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01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 1: you knew that was funded by the coon hunters of America,

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01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: didn't You had those biologists in their back pocket. He

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01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: was joking. It was a good joke though. Yeah, it's

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01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: probably funnier he said, definitely. Hey, thank you all for

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01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: coming Ralph, thanks for coming up. Man, Thanks for what

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01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: you're doing with all your all your work inside of

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01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: Arkansas deer hunting. And we know you guys are working

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01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: hard and I appreciate being here. Yeah. Man, And now

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01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: that I know you're a coon hunter, you gotta come back.

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01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: You have to come back beyond the render podcast trapping man.

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01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: If you can kill it needed, I'm all about it. There.

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: Good Johnson boys. Great to have y'all. Y'all got some

1377
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: good bucks tied up somewhere, just busted. You're busted your trap?

1378
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: You got tied up? What you tell us about that?

1379
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: We got him fail? You won't believe it. But I

1380
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: was inadvertently after a two deer on opening week. I

1381
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: didn't know it yet though. Really yeah, so I got

1382
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: some intel. Tell you what state though? Arkansas? Oh, we

1383
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: just scored it, northwest Arkansas. The guy killed it. It's

1384
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: the one that guy killed. No, you were hut over

1385
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,839
Speaker 1: by him? Well, technically I was hunting the same area.

1386
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: I won't say where. But I had a guy that

1387
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: gives me some intael, feeds me some intael, and he

1388
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: sent me a picture of it like two days before

1389
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: it was killed. And I was like, okay, I'm getting ready.

1390
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm amped up. I'm about to put cameras out.

1391
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: And then I get a picture because I know the

1392
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: guy that killed it, and he sent me a picture.

1393
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: He said, well, y'all score this. I said, oh, it's that,

1394
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: But it was two and three cross. Here's what we done.

1395
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: Just got killed off of public land in Arkansas. Uh

1396
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: Watton saw w M outside of hazing. Oh yeah, that's

1397
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: a beautiful deer. Wow, look at that G two with

1398
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 1: the it's a three pronged G two. Looked up, it

1399
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: looks like a G two. People always ask me, we're

1400
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: on even kill You can kill them anywhere as long

1401
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: as you can put some age on. I mean, our

1402
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: entire state has genetic potential. It's all about. If you

1403
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: want big bucks, you gotta pass them win they're little bucks.

1404
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: That's just I mean, really, that's what you gotta do.

1405
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: Good stuff. So y'all are onesome deer. Yeah, there's that

1406
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: big deer. Well, thank you all. MO. Good to see

1407
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: you man, Thanks for coming. I know you'll have a

1408
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: big buck story here soon, I hope. All Right, guys,

1409
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: let's see you next time.