WEBVTT - Randy Bachman 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:23.276 Pushkin, Laurel Kenyon, Hayde Ashbury and Swinging London are a 0:00:23.276 --> 0:00:25.196 few of the locations that come to mind when we 0:00:25.236 --> 0:00:29.396 think about the powerhouse music scenes of the sixties, but Canada, 0:00:29.836 --> 0:00:33.716 anywhere in Canada, rarely comes up. But after listening to 0:00:33.796 --> 0:00:36.996 Randy Bachman talk about his musical baptism across the Great 0:00:37.036 --> 0:00:39.996 Plains of the Great White North, all that might change 0:00:40.036 --> 0:00:43.876 for you. Bachman is a master guitarist and songwriter with 0:00:43.916 --> 0:00:46.236 twelve hits to his name. Between the guests Who and 0:00:46.556 --> 0:00:50.596 Bachman Turner Overdrive. On today's episode, Bruce Helm talks to 0:00:50.636 --> 0:00:53.676 Bachman as he dissects some of the incredible songs he's written, 0:00:53.716 --> 0:00:57.476 including an American Woman and These Eyes. He also discussed 0:00:57.476 --> 0:01:00.156 how he became one of the greatest guitars of his generation. 0:01:03.196 --> 0:01:06.436 This is broken record liner notes for the digital age. 0:01:06.596 --> 0:01:11.396 I'm justin Richman. Here's Bruce conversation with Randy Bachman. 0:01:12.636 --> 0:01:14.796 Listening to talk about your songs in the past and 0:01:14.836 --> 0:01:18.276 reading your book. What fascinated me, as someone who's never 0:01:18.276 --> 0:01:23.476 written a song, is how you took other songs and 0:01:23.556 --> 0:01:26.596 just transformed them and the roots for some of those 0:01:26.636 --> 0:01:31.516 songs you mentioned. I think laughing came out of a platter. 0:01:31.596 --> 0:01:36.756 Song came out of that ascending figure in twilight Time, 0:01:37.596 --> 0:01:40.716 and nobody is nobody on earth who would have picked 0:01:40.716 --> 0:01:43.436 that out. But somehow you took that from one song 0:01:43.516 --> 0:01:47.316 and just made it work that whatever that old line 0:01:47.356 --> 0:01:50.996 is about geniuses is covering up your influences. 0:01:51.156 --> 0:01:52.996 Are we running? Because you should have this on tape? 0:01:53.036 --> 0:01:54.676 Are we running? Yeah? We're running? 0:01:54.756 --> 0:01:57.476 Okay. I grew up playing violin. I started when I 0:01:57.556 --> 0:02:01.596 was five, real conservatory. So I'm playing Chopin, Shaikovsky, all 0:02:01.596 --> 0:02:04.156 this stuff. I don't know what I'm doing. My teacher 0:02:04.356 --> 0:02:06.676 would put the music down in front of me. I 0:02:06.756 --> 0:02:08.796 should play it first, and I've heard that. She put 0:02:08.796 --> 0:02:11.316 it from me, and I'd play it. Go wow, take 0:02:11.316 --> 0:02:13.116 that home and practice it for a week. Well, I 0:02:13.116 --> 0:02:16.036 already know it. Give me two or three. I was 0:02:16.116 --> 0:02:17.756 learning by ear because I would listen to her and 0:02:17.796 --> 0:02:19.796 I would watch her fingers, and I was learning to play. 0:02:20.156 --> 0:02:23.036 The music didn't mean anything to me, and I got 0:02:23.036 --> 0:02:25.316 that way till I was about fourteen. I'm a very 0:02:25.356 --> 0:02:29.476 good classical violinist. And she said you should go in an 0:02:29.436 --> 0:02:32.676 audition for the Winnipeg Junior School Symphony eighty five. Kids 0:02:32.716 --> 0:02:35.316 like a big symphony and you'll be second violin. There's 0:02:35.356 --> 0:02:39.676 four violins, a couple of yolas, cellos and stuff. So 0:02:39.716 --> 0:02:41.476 I go to this audition, which is a Neil Young's 0:02:41.436 --> 0:02:44.276 school in Winnipeg. It's in the Cristin High School the 0:02:44.276 --> 0:02:45.956 other side of Winnipeg. So it's a Saturday morning. I 0:02:46.036 --> 0:02:49.156 go in there with my violin. They put a piece 0:02:49.156 --> 0:02:51.156 in front of us. I know it. It's the Chaikovsky 0:02:51.276 --> 0:02:56.116 kind of thing. And halfway through into the song, the 0:02:56.156 --> 0:03:00.716 conductor taps the thing and he goes, second violin, bar 0:03:00.836 --> 0:03:03.636 thirty two. It's an E flat, not an E natural. 0:03:03.756 --> 0:03:05.516 Let's take it from the top. I don't know what 0:03:05.556 --> 0:03:08.156 he's talking about. I don't know what bar thirty two is. 0:03:08.556 --> 0:03:11.396 I don't know what flat is. I'm playing notes that 0:03:11.476 --> 0:03:12.876 when I want to hear a note, I know where 0:03:12.916 --> 0:03:14.956 my finger goes on the second string or third string 0:03:14.996 --> 0:03:17.916 and my bugle. That way, we start the song again. 0:03:19.756 --> 0:03:21.596 I get the same plot. I play the same note, 0:03:22.076 --> 0:03:27.476 tap tap tap, second violin. Can you what don't you 0:03:27.556 --> 0:03:29.436 understand about an E flat? And I go I don't know. 0:03:29.476 --> 0:03:32.516 He said, can you please play? Can you play an e? 0:03:32.716 --> 0:03:35.916 I'm sure, it's open string the violin. Can you play 0:03:35.916 --> 0:03:39.356 an E flat? I don't know what we're on? E 0:03:39.436 --> 0:03:42.476 flat is you can't go below that. Here's your E string. 0:03:42.516 --> 0:03:44.676 You can't go down there. I don't realize that the 0:03:44.676 --> 0:03:47.116 string before that is in needing to play flat. You 0:03:47.156 --> 0:03:49.156 go the string before and you go down there's an 0:03:49.156 --> 0:03:50.996 E flat that doesn't click on. I mean in front 0:03:51.036 --> 0:03:54.236 of eighty five kids. Okay, right, And he says, what 0:03:54.276 --> 0:03:58.156 don't you understand? And I figured, fuck this. I put 0:03:58.196 --> 0:03:59.796 my violin in the case. I get on the bus, 0:03:59.836 --> 0:04:02.836 I go home. It's a Saturday morning. This is how 0:04:02.956 --> 0:04:04.756 to go. I said, I'm never playing violin again. I 0:04:04.756 --> 0:04:09.076 don't know what I'm doing. Everyone's laughing at me. I'm done. 0:04:10.796 --> 0:04:14.836 The next day, my aunt comes over, my mother's younger sister. 0:04:14.836 --> 0:04:16.756 My mother's like thirty something. My aunt, just like ten 0:04:16.836 --> 0:04:20.676 years younger, puts on television and sees Elvis, and I go, 0:04:20.756 --> 0:04:23.556 what is that? Because I had been classically trained, Well, 0:04:23.556 --> 0:04:25.956 that's called rock and roll. That's called the guitar. And 0:04:25.996 --> 0:04:28.556 that guy's name is Elvis Presley. So when you're from 0:04:28.636 --> 0:04:31.116 Winnipeg and your best friend is Joey Goldberg or something, 0:04:31.556 --> 0:04:33.996 you don't hear a name like Elvis Presley, like what's 0:04:34.116 --> 0:04:36.556 his name? Again? Over and over, and I said, I 0:04:36.556 --> 0:04:39.236 want to do that. It's so wild compared to classical music, 0:04:39.236 --> 0:04:40.956 where you have to stand a certain way. You can't 0:04:40.996 --> 0:04:42.996 rest your elbow when you're tired. You have to stand 0:04:43.036 --> 0:04:44.836 this way and do all of this grandiose up and 0:04:44.876 --> 0:04:49.396 down bowstroke. And so I started to copy Elvis. And 0:04:50.036 --> 0:04:52.916 my cousins had a guitar. They taught me three chords. 0:04:53.236 --> 0:04:55.436 But with the minute I got the guitar, I could 0:04:55.476 --> 0:04:57.276 play all the leads on it, because on violin, all 0:04:57.276 --> 0:04:59.316 he plays the top line. You play lead on violin. 0:04:59.556 --> 0:05:01.956 So I've been playing lead since I was five. Like 0:05:01.996 --> 0:05:03.996 ten years later, I get a guitar and I'm playing lead, 0:05:04.436 --> 0:05:10.036 and playing lead is very easy. But it was like 0:05:10.116 --> 0:05:12.316 wandering in the forest. I didn't know where I was going. 0:05:12.676 --> 0:05:14.476 And then a guy moved to Winnipeg. His name was 0:05:14.556 --> 0:05:17.516 Lenny Brow, one year older than me. He had been 0:05:17.516 --> 0:05:20.076 playing since he was six in his family band. His 0:05:20.156 --> 0:05:22.996 dad was like Roy Rogers, his mother like Dale Evans. 0:05:23.236 --> 0:05:25.316 If you ever grew up seeing Roy Rogers, Happy trails 0:05:25.316 --> 0:05:26.876 to you. At gene Autry at the end of the 0:05:27.036 --> 0:05:28.916 Cowboy movie. They'd sing with the Son of the Pioneers, 0:05:28.956 --> 0:05:30.996 cool clear water and stuff like that. That's what a 0:05:31.036 --> 0:05:34.236 sprid Ringo star was the Cowboy movies of Geene Autry 0:05:34.236 --> 0:05:38.476 and Roy Rogers. And he played this country band his 0:05:38.516 --> 0:05:41.236 fathers called hall Loan Pine. The mother is Betty Cody. 0:05:41.276 --> 0:05:44.036 They made up these western names, and he was hel 0:05:44.116 --> 0:05:47.356 Lone Pine Junior. But he played a big orange gretch 0:05:47.436 --> 0:05:49.556 and I didn't know if the gretches were orange. You 0:05:49.636 --> 0:05:52.276 see an American band, then it's black and white. I 0:05:52.316 --> 0:05:55.076 saw Chuck Barry, Dwayne Eddie, Eddie Copperant all playing this 0:05:55.156 --> 0:05:58.236 cool looking guitar. And when one came into Winnipeg and 0:05:58.276 --> 0:06:01.036 we see it in the store window and it's orange. Wow, 0:06:01.476 --> 0:06:04.356 that guitar is orange. Is like a giant pumpkin. It's incredible. 0:06:04.756 --> 0:06:07.036 So I bought that one. Neil Young bought the next 0:06:07.036 --> 0:06:08.716 one that came in a month later. He still got 0:06:08.756 --> 0:06:12.596 his mind stolen. But then you learned to play guitar 0:06:12.756 --> 0:06:15.756 like that. And this guy had been was playing with 0:06:15.796 --> 0:06:17.436 his parents. Man, they had him quit school when he 0:06:17.436 --> 0:06:20.196 was ten, so he's playing since he was six. He's mastered. 0:06:20.476 --> 0:06:23.676 So he taught me five Chad Atkins albums, three Merle Travis. 0:06:23.756 --> 0:06:26.116 I'm then I starting to get Howard Roberts and Barney 0:06:26.156 --> 0:06:29.236 Kessel and stuff like that. And after you learn that stuff, 0:06:29.516 --> 0:06:31.996 ched Atkins is like a vocabulary because every album of 0:06:32.036 --> 0:06:35.756 his is classical and bluegrass, on country and rock and everything. 0:06:35.756 --> 0:06:38.156 He just played absolutely everything. So that was like a 0:06:38.196 --> 0:06:41.876 great thing for me. But Lenny Brow said to me 0:06:41.916 --> 0:06:43.596 one thing. His real name was Lenny Brow. He was 0:06:43.596 --> 0:06:45.476 held in Pine Junior, but his family name was Bro. 0:06:47.156 --> 0:06:49.396 You're a really really good guitar player for your age. 0:06:49.436 --> 0:06:51.756 Because everybody in Winnipeg wanted lessons from me because they 0:06:51.796 --> 0:06:54.276 couldn't speak to Lenny Bro. He started and stammered, and 0:06:54.276 --> 0:06:55.956 I had a brother who started, Who I did? You 0:06:55.956 --> 0:06:58.356 ain't see nothing yet after, So you know how to 0:06:58.396 --> 0:07:01.396 communicate with a guy who's status the stummer. You never 0:07:01.396 --> 0:07:03.796 try to correct him or say sentences. You just let him. 0:07:03.996 --> 0:07:06.356 He relax and then he starts to slowly speak to you. 0:07:06.676 --> 0:07:09.236 So I could speak to Lennibro all the time, and 0:07:09.276 --> 0:07:11.556 I I was a year younger than him. He had 0:07:11.596 --> 0:07:14.516 no girlfriends. I had girlfriends. I introduced him to kids. 0:07:14.556 --> 0:07:17.316 He came from Maine up to Winnipeg and live there. 0:07:18.396 --> 0:07:20.156 So he said to me, there will always be like 0:07:20.196 --> 0:07:23.956 the wild West. That'll always be a younger, faster gunslinger 0:07:24.236 --> 0:07:27.876 who's going to come to town and shoot you down. Learn 0:07:28.156 --> 0:07:33.356 to write good songs. Wow, I really, he said, I've 0:07:33.356 --> 0:07:35.316 been playing this is my favorite song, and he played 0:07:35.316 --> 0:07:38.156 Funny Valentine and he said that nod was my favorite song. 0:07:38.196 --> 0:07:40.276 It was Chet Baker's favorite song. It was so and 0:07:40.316 --> 0:07:43.836 so favorite song. It'll be Michael Bubla's favorite the next 0:07:43.956 --> 0:07:46.516 flatter it'll be his favorite song. So write a good song. 0:07:46.556 --> 0:07:48.876 And by the way you play guitar. Look, everybody forgets it. 0:07:49.076 --> 0:07:52.476 If you write a good song, it's it's it's it's forever, 0:07:52.756 --> 0:07:55.436 and you get paid forever. He said, what do you mean. 0:07:55.476 --> 0:07:57.396 So when it's played on the radio, they pay you 0:07:57.436 --> 0:08:00.676 a couple of pennies. But if you make a door 0:08:00.716 --> 0:08:02.916 and sell your door for two hundred bucks, you gets 0:08:02.956 --> 0:08:05.196 sold later for two thousand dollars as an antique door. 0:08:05.396 --> 0:08:07.956 Nobody sends you any money. But when you write a song, 0:08:07.996 --> 0:08:10.196 you get your couple of pennies. You keep getting your 0:08:10.236 --> 0:08:12.236 couple of pennies. So write a whole bunch of songs, 0:08:12.356 --> 0:08:14.556 get a whole bunch of couple of pennies, you'll have 0:08:14.596 --> 0:08:18.156 a really good life. So I meet Burton Cummings. We 0:08:18.316 --> 0:08:20.676 idolized the Beatles and the Stones and every record that 0:08:20.716 --> 0:08:25.556 came out, Burt Backrack, Hal David, Brian Wilson, the great song. 0:08:25.796 --> 0:08:29.236 Let's copy these guys and Burton, you copy a song. 0:08:29.276 --> 0:08:30.796 I'll copy a song and I'll play you what I 0:08:30.916 --> 0:08:33.596 think and if you could recognize it, then I haven't 0:08:33.636 --> 0:08:36.876 copied a good song. Okay, you do one. 0:08:37.676 --> 0:08:39.876 You have said so much. We have to unpack a 0:08:39.956 --> 0:08:47.236 little bit because you know, there are guitarists. Everybody knows 0:08:47.236 --> 0:08:51.716 there's Eric Clapton and there's Eddie van Halen. Then they're 0:08:51.716 --> 0:08:54.956 the guitarists other guitarists talk about. I think you're in 0:08:54.996 --> 0:08:55.676 that category. 0:08:55.956 --> 0:08:56.276 Really. 0:08:56.676 --> 0:08:58.436 Oh, I had when I first moved to New York. 0:08:58.476 --> 0:09:01.556 I took a couple lessons from a guy who was 0:09:01.556 --> 0:09:04.916 a jazz player. He actually had no money, turned down 0:09:04.916 --> 0:09:07.156 a record deal because they wanted to him to play 0:09:07.236 --> 0:09:11.236 like Stevie on Yeah. And he was, Oh, that's that 0:09:11.356 --> 0:09:16.676 garbage comes up. I'm Canadian. He goes, Oh, Randy Bachman, 0:09:17.956 --> 0:09:21.036 you were oh for for him? You were like at 0:09:21.036 --> 0:09:21.356 the toll. 0:09:21.996 --> 0:09:23.836 I've had a lot of New York guitar players tell 0:09:23.916 --> 0:09:25.916 me that. Oh yes, I said, I was the first 0:09:25.956 --> 0:09:27.796 guy in rock and roll to play a minor seven 0:09:27.836 --> 0:09:29.036 with the ninth on is What do you mean? I 0:09:29.076 --> 0:09:31.596 didn't even realize, because I didn't know what anything was called. 0:09:31.916 --> 0:09:34.276 I'm playing by ear, following Lenny Bro's fingers, so it's 0:09:34.316 --> 0:09:48.076 shaken them over. So goes the minor seven with the 0:09:48.156 --> 0:09:50.356 ninth on top. I didn't know what that was. To 0:09:50.396 --> 0:09:53.516 put that in a rock and roll song, like, to 0:09:53.516 --> 0:09:55.196 put that in it was like it was genius? 0:09:55.316 --> 0:09:57.396 Now was there not a Was there not a ninth 0:09:57.436 --> 0:10:00.596 in the original? In the in the English? Was oh interesting? 0:10:00.636 --> 0:10:01.516 They played the notes? 0:10:01.876 --> 0:10:04.516 Yeah, I played it as chords, Oh I see. 0:10:04.316 --> 0:10:11.476 And they played mine went one guitar I made. I 0:10:11.516 --> 0:10:20.636 made a chord out of it. Yeah, I'm playing chords. 0:10:20.676 --> 0:10:25.676 He's going, Oh I see, I made chords out of it. 0:10:25.956 --> 0:10:28.356 And also I did the shake. Yeah there's no shake 0:10:28.396 --> 0:10:30.476 on the original. I went, I had a big screen. 0:10:30.716 --> 0:10:33.356 I wanged it like Matt Rall. I had the bass 0:10:33.396 --> 0:10:36.596 for your goal and he also did that on that 0:10:36.596 --> 0:10:38.756 that note, and it made the whole record. 0:10:38.916 --> 0:10:42.516 Now Lenny bro is at the top of the list 0:10:42.596 --> 0:10:45.236 of guitarists other guitarists talk about. I just saw an 0:10:45.276 --> 0:10:48.676 interview recently with Andy Summers, and it was in the eighties, 0:10:48.716 --> 0:10:51.596 so he's in the Police, the biggest band in the 0:10:51.596 --> 0:10:54.236 world at that point, and he sort of says to 0:10:54.276 --> 0:10:56.276 the interviewer, says, you probably don't know who this is. 0:10:56.316 --> 0:10:58.956 The interviewer diad Actually he said, but I got a 0:10:59.036 --> 0:11:02.276 lesson with Lenny Bro when he's when Andy Summers is 0:11:02.316 --> 0:11:05.996 like on top. Lenny Bro charged him forty dollars. He's 0:11:06.036 --> 0:11:10.596 this unbelievable player who he did a couple of live albums. 0:11:10.636 --> 0:11:14.876 He died young and tragically. There's some he was murdered. 0:11:15.156 --> 0:11:17.356 Oh he was Oh, I had no idea by. 0:11:17.316 --> 0:11:19.956 His wife's brother, who was a dope dealer in la 0:11:20.236 --> 0:11:21.556 Oh he didn't pay. 0:11:21.916 --> 0:11:22.836 Oh, that's very sad. 0:11:22.876 --> 0:11:25.396 They found him floating in a pool, face down with 0:11:25.436 --> 0:11:28.276 no water in his lungs. They'd been strangled thrown in 0:11:28.276 --> 0:11:30.756 the pool. But when I met him, like I said, 0:11:30.756 --> 0:11:33.756 he was sixteen, I was fifteen. He didn't have any friends, 0:11:33.876 --> 0:11:36.076 has been family. Band played almost three or four or 0:11:36.076 --> 0:11:38.996 five nights a week. Weddings. Bar Mits was barn dancers. 0:11:39.036 --> 0:11:41.516 Then they had a barn dance where you're playing rockabilly 0:11:41.516 --> 0:11:44.836 and polkas and all that, and he's playing all well, 0:11:44.916 --> 0:11:46.076 chet ackens kind of stuff. 0:11:46.316 --> 0:11:48.756 So he's playing, he's playing bass, he's playing chords, and 0:11:48.756 --> 0:11:50.276 he's playing a top line as well. 0:11:50.476 --> 0:11:53.196 Yeah, yeah, playing chet akinstall. So you're playing. 0:12:04.876 --> 0:12:06.956 So what was it about that? That captivating? 0:12:07.156 --> 0:12:09.436 He's playing that way? And he teaches me to play 0:12:09.436 --> 0:12:11.836 the way from every ched Atkins album. And he also 0:12:11.836 --> 0:12:14.236 sing to me write good songs. 0:12:14.476 --> 0:12:17.236 Okay, but he didn't write idiot. No, no, he didn't 0:12:17.236 --> 0:12:18.036 write but you. 0:12:18.316 --> 0:12:29.036 But he taught me all this stuff. So some time 0:12:29.116 --> 0:12:31.036 he taught me to play on the inside for strings. 0:12:31.036 --> 0:12:33.916 Which are these? They some of the best on a guitar. 0:12:34.316 --> 0:12:45.836 So what I did undone? I went she she didn't 0:12:45.876 --> 0:12:54.916 know what she was. These are old Man minor seventh. 0:13:01.116 --> 0:13:03.676 She found him instead of going there to go higher, 0:13:04.556 --> 0:13:07.316 same chord but higher and it lifts the last part 0:13:07.316 --> 0:13:19.236 of the verse. It was too late, dude, And I 0:13:19.236 --> 0:13:21.356 didn't know what that was called. But I took it 0:13:21.356 --> 0:13:35.076 from Malaguana was. I took that and put it there. 0:13:35.276 --> 0:13:42.116 I'm doing Malaguania, and I got this song like I 0:13:42.156 --> 0:13:44.836 heard it was done Bob Dylan song called Ballad and 0:13:44.916 --> 0:13:49.556 d Bell and Plaine d Somewhere in twenty verses, he goes, 0:13:49.676 --> 0:13:52.916 she came undone, I go Holy Cow, And I had 0:13:52.916 --> 0:13:55.796 a girlfriend that had died from overdose of something. Somebody 0:13:55.796 --> 0:13:57.556 put something in her drink. I think it was Ellis Dain. 0:13:57.636 --> 0:13:59.996 She went to a coma. So I wrote about her, 0:14:00.476 --> 0:14:03.396 and I had these these quotes, and Mickey Lenny bros Said, 0:14:03.436 --> 0:14:05.716 get the Mickey Baker Jazz Guitar Book. It was from 0:14:05.716 --> 0:14:07.636 Mickey and Sylvia. If you don't love a strong Yeah, 0:14:08.276 --> 0:14:10.956 Mickey Baker in changed my life, him and Lenny bro 0:14:11.956 --> 0:14:17.156 to get instead of playing blues like this seventh ninth, Yeah, 0:14:17.916 --> 0:14:33.316 Mickey Baker's every downstroke is a different court. And I 0:14:33.356 --> 0:14:35.076 want to do that. I want and you don't do 0:14:35.076 --> 0:14:38.556 downstairs because you're playing like this, you're playing the middle 0:14:39.076 --> 0:14:41.436 for inside, for strings, and you're playing your thumb. So 0:14:41.756 --> 0:14:45.956 when I did, Lenny Borough showed me two endings that 0:14:46.076 --> 0:14:48.716 are jazz endings. They're called codas right, So the song 0:14:48.836 --> 0:14:54.196 is called mean to Me. He goes me to me, 0:14:54.476 --> 0:15:07.756 to me, can't you see the ending goes, I lower 0:15:07.756 --> 0:15:11.796 it once and I go, oh, every day is in 0:15:12.036 --> 0:15:14.716 and the string you got to write it to the 0:15:14.836 --> 0:15:18.716 end of the line. Just take that ending and make 0:15:18.796 --> 0:15:21.276 it my beginning. And it becomes looking out for number one. 0:15:21.356 --> 0:15:23.636 And the other part is from Ray Charles a song 0:15:23.676 --> 0:15:26.236 of this Little Girl of Mine that went, h this 0:15:26.396 --> 0:15:33.916 little girl of mine. But he's doing it on piano. 0:15:34.316 --> 0:15:35.676 So I think that and put on trying to go. 0:15:35.876 --> 0:15:36.796 And I found. 0:15:36.516 --> 0:15:40.436 Out every trick in the book, and that there's only 0:15:40.596 --> 0:15:42.876 one way to get things done. 0:15:42.996 --> 0:15:47.156 I found out the only way to the top looking 0:15:47.156 --> 0:15:50.676 at the phone number. What I mean, you keep looking 0:15:50.796 --> 0:15:52.036 the phone number? 0:15:56.156 --> 0:15:56.316 Right? 0:15:57.036 --> 0:16:00.036 So I put all that together, and it's strange to 0:16:00.076 --> 0:16:02.516 put the two endings together. And when I played it 0:16:02.516 --> 0:16:04.556 for Burton Comings and said, I've written the follow up 0:16:04.556 --> 0:16:06.836 to undone, which I wrote alone, everybody's sing writing another 0:16:06.916 --> 0:16:08.996 Chaz song. You just can't pull them out of the 0:16:09.196 --> 0:16:10.636 I said, I put these two any sing and I 0:16:10.636 --> 0:16:13.716 played and he said, oh, that that's brilliant. It's phenomenal. 0:16:14.036 --> 0:16:16.356 And then didn't didn't Lenny bro say to you, won't 0:16:16.396 --> 0:16:18.996 people think the song's over because you're playing the because 0:16:18.996 --> 0:16:21.836 you're playing the turnaround. Yeah, yeah, oh my god. 0:16:21.756 --> 0:16:24.236 Yeah, I said, guess what, Lenny, I wrote a song. 0:16:24.276 --> 0:16:26.956 I start with that coder. You taught me the song's over. 0:16:27.036 --> 0:16:29.036 I said, no, no, I repeat, I repeat, I repeat it, 0:16:29.156 --> 0:16:30.596 and I put this in. I put that in it 0:16:30.596 --> 0:16:33.036 and stuff and he he taught me, and he said, 0:16:33.356 --> 0:16:36.036 you can put anything you want together. You just need 0:16:36.076 --> 0:16:38.476 a passing note. So, I mean, I don't even know 0:16:38.516 --> 0:16:39.196 what key this is in. 0:16:44.156 --> 0:16:46.516 You don't know now what key that's in. You don't 0:16:46.516 --> 0:16:47.796 even know now what key that's in. 0:16:49.436 --> 0:16:54.836 You tell me what key it's in. I don't know. Basically, 0:16:54.916 --> 0:16:57.116 it's an f right. That's what means to me is 0:16:57.556 --> 0:16:59.636 I've lowered mine te right, So I've got it's gone 0:16:59.636 --> 0:17:00.716 on after tone. 0:17:00.596 --> 0:17:02.476 Yeah, after quick break. 0:17:02.476 --> 0:17:04.396 Will be back with more from Randy Bachman. 0:17:08.636 --> 0:17:09.036 We're back. 0:17:09.236 --> 0:17:10.916 Bruce had them and Randy Bachman. 0:17:11.876 --> 0:17:14.836 How did you learn from those Mickey Baker books, because 0:17:14.876 --> 0:17:17.796 that's pretty heavy music theory, the Mickey Baker stuff. 0:17:18.476 --> 0:17:23.596 Little x's instead of five lines EGBDF, the ad GB, 0:17:23.796 --> 0:17:26.156 little x's the word to put your fingers. It was 0:17:26.196 --> 0:17:29.196 the first book. I didn't know what tablature was. Yes, Like, 0:17:29.276 --> 0:17:33.596 to me, music is stupid okay, especially when you get 0:17:33.636 --> 0:17:36.116 to the bass cleft and it's different on a piano. 0:17:37.116 --> 0:17:38.956 That's what I thought about playing violin. Why is the 0:17:38.996 --> 0:17:41.716 cello music just like mine? We're playing the same line 0:17:41.756 --> 0:17:45.476 hisre's one whole line below. And they explained to me, well, 0:17:45.476 --> 0:17:47.756 when you do the staff and another staff, and when 0:17:47.756 --> 0:17:50.556 you're symphony director down there as all the guys, by 0:17:50.556 --> 0:17:53.556 the time they get to the top, your EGBDF bass 0:17:53.636 --> 0:17:55.836 is one one below this. 0:17:56.316 --> 0:17:56.476 Yeah. 0:17:56.996 --> 0:17:59.796 See, whatever you know you're getting me, I'll mixed up 0:17:59.836 --> 0:18:04.196 in anyways, I just learned the wonderful thing about I 0:18:04.236 --> 0:18:06.956 have a phonographic memory as a kid. I hear it once, 0:18:07.116 --> 0:18:09.756 I know it in my head just to figure out 0:18:22.636 --> 0:18:25.836 it's Chuck Berry. That kind of stuff. And every time 0:18:25.836 --> 0:18:28.716 I was going to produce an album I produced bto 0:18:28.756 --> 0:18:31.396 I produced a man called Trooper. I would listen to 0:18:31.436 --> 0:18:34.636 a dozen Berries, the Chuck Berry Greatest Hits, phenomenal album 0:18:35.076 --> 0:18:38.276 who took twelve bar blues and made every song a 0:18:38.436 --> 0:18:42.516 story of Johnny be Good or maybe Lean or incredible 0:18:42.756 --> 0:18:47.036 lyrics that this guy had over twelve bar blue songs, 0:18:47.796 --> 0:18:50.276 rock and roll music, roll over Beethoven. And the guy 0:18:50.636 --> 0:18:54.116 was a poet of unprecedented rock and roll lyrics. I 0:18:54.116 --> 0:18:57.036 mean really compared to Shoe by Dewbey, you know, and 0:18:57.036 --> 0:18:59.596 the boom and get a job. He Chuck Berry wrote 0:18:59.636 --> 0:19:04.676 like Shakespeare and obviously affected the Beatles. And besides a 0:19:04.716 --> 0:19:07.356 dozen berries, which I would get the simplicity of an 0:19:07.396 --> 0:19:11.076 intro of guitar, I would play a revolver or rubber 0:19:11.156 --> 0:19:15.996 soul to get what the Beatles did with four guys 0:19:16.036 --> 0:19:19.116 to sound like six guys. And I'm I'm dealing with Bto, 0:19:19.156 --> 0:19:21.596 which are three or four guys try to sound like six. 0:19:21.636 --> 0:19:24.436 So every time I produced a BTO album, I made 0:19:24.436 --> 0:19:26.876 sure that in the verses we had a cow bell 0:19:27.156 --> 0:19:31.156 muted or in the course or we had a shaker going. 0:19:31.196 --> 0:19:33.636 So if we listened to the Beatles behind every section, 0:19:33.756 --> 0:19:37.036 the middle eight, the versus the intro, there's a different 0:19:37.036 --> 0:19:40.876 percussion thing, and a lot of times they're clapping, and 0:19:40.916 --> 0:19:43.236 I would take the Beatles thing like there's a song 0:19:43.276 --> 0:19:49.916 called Homie Tight that goes, oh meat tight, dude, it's 0:19:49.956 --> 0:19:55.196 been a hardy, same thing, taking care of bins, same 0:19:55.236 --> 0:20:00.596 clapping and under a ringo playing bongos. Just let it ride, goodbye. 0:20:00.956 --> 0:20:03.276 It's got the bongos. We didn't have bongos. We used 0:20:03.276 --> 0:20:06.476 the milk jug emptied one gallon milk job filled with paper. 0:20:06.676 --> 0:20:08.196 My brother put it between his legs and did the 0:20:08.196 --> 0:20:11.076 gallop on it. So we're doing all these things for 0:20:11.236 --> 0:20:15.196 bto to sound like more than four guys on a record, 0:20:15.476 --> 0:20:17.596 and it's so easy, too alive. You just crank up 0:20:17.636 --> 0:20:18.596 loud and you played louder. 0:20:18.916 --> 0:20:22.436 It's interesting you wrote about that because I was listening 0:20:22.796 --> 0:20:24.636 to some beatles the other day and I thought I 0:20:24.676 --> 0:20:28.556 heard some little like a little gallop under it all, 0:20:28.556 --> 0:20:30.036 and I thought, well, was that in the music I 0:20:30.076 --> 0:20:30.596 don't but. 0:20:30.596 --> 0:20:33.156 Listen to Hard when I'm home. The gallup stops when 0:20:33.196 --> 0:20:36.396 I'm home, clank clank, clubo, everything, and that drives that 0:20:36.636 --> 0:20:40.036 seem homely feeling only tied. It's been a they get 0:20:40.076 --> 0:20:42.116 back to hard and you get into the groove again. 0:20:42.476 --> 0:20:45.596 So their percussion and the shakers and ringo played a 0:20:45.596 --> 0:20:48.516 lot of claps claves. But he didn't do it one 0:20:48.556 --> 0:20:50.956 and three, just every once in a while, every fourth 0:20:50.956 --> 0:20:55.756 beat or third beat, like and I Love Her. He 0:20:55.796 --> 0:21:01.116 didn't go down like the Latin thing Dad, click click 0:21:02.636 --> 0:21:04.196 click every other time. 0:21:04.356 --> 0:21:05.876 Now when you when you played with him. Did you 0:21:05.916 --> 0:21:07.316 ask him about things like that? 0:21:07.596 --> 0:21:09.716 Yeah, he was the guy who said it's been hard 0:21:09.716 --> 0:21:12.396 to his ninety I love this check eight days a week. 0:21:12.756 --> 0:21:15.716 John gives him no credit. I mean, if somebody gives 0:21:15.756 --> 0:21:17.556 me a title, I give them ten percent of the song. 0:21:17.596 --> 0:21:19.596 I mean it inspires your hook, it's your course. 0:21:19.636 --> 0:21:22.636 Basically good news for Bob Dylan, who's still looking for 0:21:22.676 --> 0:21:23.636 that check for undone. 0:21:23.676 --> 0:21:25.596 By the way, you have my check for undone. 0:21:25.676 --> 0:21:27.716 Yeah, yeah, what pissed me off? 0:21:27.716 --> 0:21:29.956 As Wally Lyme wrote a book called She's Coming Done, 0:21:30.076 --> 0:21:31.556 which Oprah had in her book Club with the Week 0:21:31.556 --> 0:21:34.116 and sold millions of copies, and he thank Burton Cummings 0:21:34.116 --> 0:21:36.716 in the intro, not me. I wrote it all by myself. 0:21:36.716 --> 0:21:37.396 Oh you're kidding. 0:21:37.556 --> 0:21:40.596 Yeah, so, I said, Wally Lime letter going, but I 0:21:40.676 --> 0:21:41.756 never got a reply back. 0:21:43.476 --> 0:21:45.436 I want to ask you more about writing, but you're 0:21:45.436 --> 0:21:48.716 talking so much about guitar. And there is something about 0:21:48.756 --> 0:21:52.276 your guitar playing which has always been noticeable for me, 0:21:52.916 --> 0:21:56.876 which is how melodic your solos are. They're not solos 0:21:56.916 --> 0:21:59.756