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Speaker 3: Nathan Segura, the Great GHIBBEI g man, doctor J fresh helmet.

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Speaker 4: I know, man's looking spectacular. We gotta get this.

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Speaker 5: I would tell you that the stream will be on shortly,

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Speaker 5: but literally an entire computer screen that is I don't

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Speaker 5: know what just happened, but everything on the live stream.

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Speaker 3: Did I uh should I should I come back?

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Speaker 5: L hold on the entire So there are we we

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Speaker 5: have a giant screen that's got four Yeah, everything went white.

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Speaker 5: It was like I saw the bright light and went

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Speaker 5: to the light and it yeah, we're back. We think

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Speaker 5: just like yeah we are, Hey think we're on. How

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Speaker 5: about it. It was going to be one of those

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Speaker 5: that I don't think we were going to be able

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Speaker 4: No good, good good work. Loaded Show today.

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Speaker 3: Want to thank everybody, really, I want to think everybody

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes who made this happen. Loaded Show, Nick

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Speaker 3: Schuk at one twenty, Charlie Potter no relation to Harry Talk,

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Speaker 3: Alabama Pro Day, and Ben Standig talking his mock draft

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Speaker 3: that just dropped at two thirty.

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Speaker 4: So we got guests.

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Speaker 3: We're loaded up. Big weekend, by the way, big weekend.

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Speaker 3: Some are saying one of the biggest all right, g man,

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Speaker 3: is this is this? You've updated the bracket for me

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Speaker 3: right here? Yes, all right, So we're gonna we'll talk.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk through it right now. So this was

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Speaker 3: the bracket that that Bo and I did that was

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Speaker 3: based solely on for criteria. So the South region was

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Speaker 3: would we rather host that? Which team's daily radio show

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Speaker 3: would we rather host? The West was the mascots fought

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Speaker 3: really the only one that kind of lent itself to

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Speaker 3: good teams winning, and then the Midwest, which was based

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Speaker 3: on where we want a vacation. I still think we

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Speaker 3: disrespected Houston relative to Gonzaga, and somehow Spokene because of Cordelaine, Idaho,

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Speaker 3: a different state altogether, was.

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Speaker 4: On a huge run for us, which was which was

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Speaker 3: So as we stand now in the Sweet sixteen in

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Speaker 3: the South agent Louisville's out, Texas A and m is out,

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Speaker 3: is just the absolute murderer. UNC goes down to Ole Miss.

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Speaker 3: We had UNC going to the final game. New Mexico

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Speaker 3: is out. In the South region where we picked based

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Speaker 3: on daily shows alone, we did not get a single

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Speaker 3: team into the Sweet sixteen. Not aficulty, were one of

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Speaker 3: the worst brackets in America.

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Speaker 5: We should have submitted this.

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Speaker 4: And we should have submitted just because it's it's so bad.

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Speaker 5: So who did we have?

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Speaker 3: So we had our Sweet sixteen was eight seed Louisville right,

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Speaker 3: four seed Texas A and M all right, eleven seed

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Speaker 5: Okay, two of those made sense. New Mexico did get

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Speaker 5: fight last night in the cl It was late I

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Speaker 5: don't understand the timing. Why are we tipping that game

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Speaker 4: Forget that game?

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Speaker 3: Why on a Sunday when they were going basically like

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Speaker 3: Why is Arizona Oregon the game that I actually wanted

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Speaker 3: to watch tipping at ten o'clock. Correct Eastern idiotsy last

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Speaker 4: All right, So in that bracket we've got nothing, literally nothing.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations in the mascot fight all of you people who

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Speaker 3: So we had Oklahoma gone, we had Memphis.

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Speaker 5: Gone, they were gone early.

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Speaker 3: Texas Tech is still there, and then Saint John's is gone.

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Speaker 3: So so far we have one team in the Sweet

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Speaker 3: so we almost had Memphis. Yes, in the East Region.

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Speaker 3: This is what is Memphis the East Region, which is

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Speaker 3: uniforms and branding, which means basically, you're going with the

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Speaker 3: better squads. Guess what who to thunk it? We've got

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Speaker 3: all four teams in the Sweet sixteen Duke Arizona BYU Bama.

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Speaker 5: What a final What a final four in that region?

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Speaker 5: I am a little nervous for my dookies on Thursday.

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Speaker 6: By the way, that game tips at day Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 6: are you a joking or no? Why isn't that the

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Speaker 5: It's tipping at nine? It should be seven. The seven

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Speaker 5: one team in the country. Who is the face of

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Speaker 3: They should be tipping at six and eight twenty or

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Speaker 3: eight thirty if you want to do that, but it

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Speaker 5: I mean, just idiocy on some of these times. How

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Speaker 5: about how about Perdue in the Sweet sixteen? Perdue basically

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Speaker 5: has a home game. That region is Indianapolis. Houston basically

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Speaker 3: Well, doesn't matter to me because in this region that

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Speaker 3: in idiocy, we had Gonzaga beating Houston.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't as far fetched. I feel like as you thought,

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Speaker 5: like they made a nice little run. There was a

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Speaker 3: And then we have Kentucky and Ucla. So we actually

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Speaker 5: Out, UCLA's out Tennessee baby.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So we have we're down to two of our

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Speaker 3: final four because we had rather vacation in Ucla than Knoxville,

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Speaker 3: which is fair, but Knoxvill's a wonderful town. So we

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Speaker 3: are down to one, two, three. We have four possibilities.

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Speaker 3: At best, we can get four out of eight in

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Speaker 5: You're still two final fours.

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Speaker 3: Two final fours, and we have the champion. But if

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Speaker 3: mean it's curtain.

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Speaker 5: I feel like it. Anyway, Duke loses Thursday night, A

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Speaker 5: lot of people's brackets, I for one, probably will not

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Speaker 3: The timing of the tournament leaves a lot to be desired.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember it being like this. I really don't.

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Speaker 3: I really don't remember it being like this. What do

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Speaker 3: you mean that, Like they would run games at nine

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Speaker 5: Oh they always have really Yeah, Now, I will tell

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Speaker 5: you this, Like the Sunday games used to be done

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Speaker 5: by like eight or nine o'clock. Yeah, this one game

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Speaker 5: me a couple options in case Duke is boat racing Baylor,

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Speaker 5: why not.

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Speaker 3: Just start at noon, at one, at two, at three.

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Speaker 3: That's four games?

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Speaker 5: Or stagger them so like when the first game goes

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Speaker 3: Game saying yeah, basically an hour's okay.

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Speaker 5: Because a lot of times you don't really need to

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Speaker 5: tune into some of these games till the second half.

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't understand some of it, like the

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Speaker 5: games in Cleveland, Like the people did an awesome job,

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Speaker 5: Mac Rocket, you know, everybody that was part of that,

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Speaker 5: nothing but great things. I've heard awesome things all weekend

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Speaker 5: about it, YEP, and the tournament feel and everybody was

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Speaker 5: didn't wrap up till almost one am. Is idiocy on

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Speaker 5: the East Coast idiocy. I agree, it's ridiculous. It really

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Speaker 5: is ridiculous. I don't I don't understand it. I don't

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Speaker 3: Not here for it. I can't tell you, though, I

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Speaker 3: will say from a tournament standpoint, I didn't consume a

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Speaker 3: good deal of it wasn't the most exciting first week

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Speaker 5: No, But as the g Man astutely points out, this

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Speaker 5: sets up for an amazing second weekend because these are

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Speaker 5: the top of the top.

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Speaker 3: It's right. Saint John's is the only like real high

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Speaker 5: I believe, so every everybody else is H six or better.

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Speaker 5: I think there's one six or two six.

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Speaker 3: Ale misses a six, Iowa states out as a three YEP,

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Speaker 5: Is in as a five. I don't know who they beat.

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Speaker 3: Michigan beat. They beat Texas, Texas, A, and M.

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Speaker 5: I had quite the weekend with my bracket. Did you

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Speaker 5: nice Friday? I went fifteen and one. Whoa, geez, Louise,

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Speaker 5: that's pretty twelve of my sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's pretty good. Yeah, that's real good. How's g

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Speaker 5: G Man has five hundred brackets submitted. I don't really

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Speaker 5: know what. I don't know if he knows what one

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Speaker 5: is great or not?

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Speaker 4: Unfair?

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Speaker 3: Unfair? All right? So March madness is happening, by the way, Uh,

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Speaker 3: g Man, did you see your boy? Johnny Fanta went

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Speaker 3: on like a he was mad at people for complaining

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Speaker 3: the guy from Maryland walked on that final shot, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, I believe that he did.

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Speaker 5: Is travel still a call in college back now or

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Speaker 5: in the NBA doesn't exist.

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Speaker 3: No, No, it really doesn't. It really doesn't, all right.

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Speaker 3: The draft one month away, which people keep saying, but

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Speaker 3: I think they're too locked up on like the date.

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Speaker 3: To me, it's like the drafts a month away on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: I would agree, it's four weeks away. And I know

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Speaker 3: that all months, aren't you know, they're thirty days, thirty

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Speaker 3: one days, I get it, YadA YadA. Yeah, But to me,

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Speaker 3: like to say it's a month away. That's gonna be

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Speaker 3: on Thursday, will be a month away today's actual date,

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Speaker 3: right because it starts on April twenty fourth, So I

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Speaker 3: get it. That's fine too, not gonna. I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna fight you on that one. All right.

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Speaker 3: We are a month away. There's still all shockingly not

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Speaker 3: much that has gone on in the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: We're still waiting on a lot of quarterback stuff.

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Speaker 5: Hey, we have a new linebacker, baby.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what it's gonna get to for the Browns.

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Speaker 3: Notable free agents still unsigned. Nick Chubb, bring him back,

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Speaker 3: is on the wall.

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna stare at him. Bring him back.

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Speaker 7: Up, Nick Schuck.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's just a pleasure to be here talking

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Speaker 3: in a second, but just your overall thoughts of this

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Speaker 3: NFL free agency period.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I think a lot of the

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Speaker 8: teams scooped up the quality talent pretty quickly. I want

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Speaker 8: to say within a week. You know, the bible and

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Speaker 8: free agency these days is my colleague Greg Rosenthal's top

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Speaker 8: one on one free agency list, and I want to say,

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Speaker 8: seventy five of the top one oh one, we're gone

447
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Speaker 8: within a week. So teams understood where the value was

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Speaker 8: and who they wanted. And with the increase in cap

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Speaker 8: a handful of teams had been exorbitant amount of caps

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Speaker 8: e spend, including the Patriots, and a lot of them

451
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Speaker 8: were not shy in spending it. But it is another

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Speaker 8: interesting examination of how different franchises go about building their rosters,

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Speaker 8: because you saw teams that maybe paid a bit of

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Speaker 8: a tax to get convince players to come over to

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Speaker 8: their squad, the Patriots being one of them. But I

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Speaker 8: also think that it's a it's a good juxtaposition with

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Speaker 8: how the Commanders have operated where they retained some of

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Speaker 8: the veterans that played a big part in their turnaround

459
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Speaker 8: last year that were older players, and then they also

460
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Speaker 8: got active in the trade market a couple times, acquiring Deebo,

461
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Speaker 8: Samuel and there I mean tonsol who are also veterans

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Speaker 8: who are closer to thirty or beyond thirty as opposed

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Speaker 8: to you know, going younger. Whereas you know you see

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Speaker 8: in New England Mike Rabel signing a bunch of guys

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Speaker 8: that are classic Mike Rabel guys, especially on the defensive

466
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Speaker 8: side where they need a lot of help obviously, and

467
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Speaker 8: made some key additions in the offensive line. So you know,

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Speaker 8: it's not the brand name value isn't quite there. But

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Speaker 8: with where the NFL is now, the top tier players

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Speaker 8: don't hit free agency anymore because teams pay them, they

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Speaker 8: pay them early, or they pay them in time. Unlessly

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Speaker 8: the Dallas Cowboys and to keep their talent and make

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Speaker 8: sure that they never hit the open market. So it

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Speaker 8: takes a little bit of the pizzazz away from it

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Speaker 8: that overall, you know, we still had a number of

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Speaker 8: of of names and key players that are that are

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Speaker 8: in new places and made for a really active first

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Speaker 8: week and it stayed pretty steady through the second week too.

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Speaker 3: It did. It just felt like usually there's kind of

480
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Speaker 3: like that first wave and then there's another real wave,

481
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Speaker 3: and it just didn't seem like this. You're felt very quiet,

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Speaker 3: and your point about Washington, I think is well taken.

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Speaker 3: That's what you can do when you have a quarterback

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Speaker 3: on a rookie contract. You can bring in veterans who

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Speaker 3: are productive still in this league and you pay them

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Speaker 3: a little bit more, but you need them only for

487
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Speaker 3: a short period of time while you have rookies on

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Speaker 3: that rookie deal, and that's what you're seeing Washington be

489
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Speaker 3: able to do there. The one thing that has been

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Speaker 3: so interesting to me though, is the quarterback landscape and

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Speaker 3: the quarterback kind of carousel. So let's just start with

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Speaker 3: that kind of as an overall backdrop. What have you

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Speaker 3: thought of the quarterback moves? And obviously, you know, I

494
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Speaker 3: think some of the big ones would be you know,

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Speaker 3: Geno Smith going to Vegas, that paving the way for

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Speaker 3: Darnold to go to Seattle, Kirk Cousins staying put, which

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Speaker 3: I think you could have seen that come in, and

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Speaker 3: then now we still have this kind of still undecided

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Speaker 3: thing where Aaron Rodgers seems to be holding everybody in limbo.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so I think first on that commanders thing real quick,

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Speaker 8: I want to make this point just because I know

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Speaker 8: this will hitch you in your heartstrings a little bit.

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Speaker 8: The way that me a lot of the two thousand

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Speaker 8: and seven Browns in which they were a very veteran

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Speaker 8: laden team and we were able to produce wins as a.

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Speaker 9: Result of that.

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Speaker 8: Obviously Derek Kannis, Jayden Daniels. But it is interesting. But

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Speaker 8: when it comes to the quarterback situation, the way that

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Speaker 8: these guys have have moved around, the big domino that

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Speaker 8: you know started the fall that really created a chain

511
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Speaker 8: reaction was the Seahawks trading Gino Smith. That was a surprise.

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Speaker 8: It answered a big question Vegas after they struck out

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Speaker 8: on Matthew Stafford, which is really where everything started. And

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Speaker 8: that started while we were still in Indianapolis. Yeah, once

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Speaker 8: they answered that question. Then as soon as I saw

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Speaker 8: then trade Gino, I was like, well, that's where Donald's going.

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Speaker 8: He's going to Seattle. And sure enough, as soon as

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Speaker 8: freedency began, that contract was done very quickly, and we

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Speaker 8: kind of looked at this market as okay, well where

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Speaker 8: does Donald go. We didn't think Gino would be involved.

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Speaker 8: We thought Afford might play a part, but you know,

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Speaker 8: that was solved pretty early, and then we knew after

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Speaker 8: that it was going to come down to, you know,

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Speaker 8: the likes of Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. Justin Field's

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Speaker 8: getting out of Pittsburgh and going to New York very

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Speaker 8: quickly was also a sneaky move that that I think

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Speaker 8: affected the way that all of these puzzle pieces kind

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Speaker 8: of fit. And like you said, now we're stuck. And

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Speaker 8: and look, my frustration with being stuck is as strong

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Speaker 8: as anybody else is in the fact that we are

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Speaker 8: constantly monitoring Aaron Rodgers at forty one years old. Aaron

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Speaker 8: Rodgers still holds power over the NFL world, unbelievably so.

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Speaker 8: But yet that's where we are because nobody can really

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Speaker 8: make their move at quarterback until they figure out where

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Speaker 8: he's going and in my mind, I know that the

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Speaker 8: vikings were thrown out there, but I don't think that

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Speaker 8: was ever really close to being a thing. That felt

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Speaker 8: more like, you know, Rogers camp trying to make it

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Speaker 8: a thing, and you know, in my mind, it's it's

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Speaker 8: down to two teams. It's the Giants and the Steelers,

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Speaker 8: and it seems much more like it's going to be

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Speaker 8: the Steelers than the Giants, although we are breathlessly following

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Speaker 8: and this is just NFL media, you know, outlets as

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Speaker 8: a whole, every minor move Rogers makes like oh he's

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Speaker 8: considering it. Like the reporting the qualifications for reporting even

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Speaker 8: has dropped, just because we are all waiting and you know,

547
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Speaker 8: desperate for even a morsel of information, to the point

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Speaker 8: where okay, it sounds like, you know, nothing's imminent, but

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Speaker 8: they're talking and then oh he made a trip there.

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Speaker 8: Now we have to talk about that, but still no

551
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Speaker 8: deal eminent, and once again we're waiting on him to

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Speaker 8: take his good old time. And because of that, Russell

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Speaker 8: Wilson doesn't know where he's gonna go, because it feels

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Speaker 8: like at this stage, if the Steelers and Giants are

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Speaker 8: the two teams in need quarterback's post, which we know

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Speaker 8: the Browns do as well, but it seems like they're

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Speaker 8: not an interested player with really either of them, even

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Speaker 8: though they had Russ in the building. They're they're just

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Speaker 8: all right, well, where does Rogers go? And if Rogers

560
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Speaker 8: goes to this place and it's not us, then we

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Speaker 8: go to Russell Wilson. I think the Giants made a good,

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Speaker 8: you know, a move ahead of time by signing James

563
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Speaker 8: Winston just to have a fail safe. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 8: everybody in Cleveland learned a lot about his value and

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Speaker 8: what he could bring to you as a veteran backup

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Speaker 8: this past season.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 8: It's essentially two blocks, two Jenga pieces that have to

569
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Speaker 8: be pulled before the rest of it can be solved.

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Speaker 8: And you know, you weren't surprised that Kirk didn't move.

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Speaker 8: I still think that that could be something that ends

572
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Speaker 8: up moving. But closer to the draft, we're about a

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Speaker 8: month's out now, don't be surprised if if something happens

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Speaker 8: around the draft with him. But yeah, until Rogers makes

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Speaker 8: the decision, we're all just kind of, you know, in

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Speaker 8: a waiting game here. And it seems like as he's

577
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Speaker 8: done in the past. We're going to continue to wait

578
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Speaker 8: for as long as he wants us to.

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Speaker 3: What is his value now the Steelers Bee seems to

580
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Speaker 3: make the most sense, but like, can he change anything

581
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Speaker 3: for a team that has not won a playoff game

582
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Speaker 3: in a long long time and feels kind of like

583
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Speaker 3: they're perennially nine to eight, ten and seven and bounced early.

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Speaker 8: I think that if he played like he did in

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Speaker 8: the back half of last year, he can be good

586
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Speaker 8: enough to basically do what Russell Wilson did with the Steelers,

587
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Speaker 8: except the differences. And I think that the reason that

588
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Speaker 8: the Steelers are waiting on him is that I think

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Speaker 8: the Russell Wilson ens left them with a bad taste

590
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Speaker 8: in their mouth with the way that the season ended

591
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Speaker 8: last year. He peaked when they played Cincinnati and won

592
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Speaker 8: that shootout, and ever since then, I mean, you saw

593
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Speaker 8: who he is. There was limitations that offense. He made

594
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Speaker 8: some questionable decisions and key spots that game against Cincinnati

595
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Speaker 8: being one of them. I think it was where he

596
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Speaker 8: rolled out right and either he took a sack or

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Speaker 8: he threw a ball in bounds and they needed the clock.

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Speaker 8: There's just some things where you're just like, ah, you

599
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 8: know this, we could be better here. I don't think

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Speaker 8: we want to run this back Fields, leaving kind of

601
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Speaker 8: left them with he basically the only option of all right,

602
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Speaker 8: well we get Rogers or we try to run it

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Speaker 8: back with Russ again. And I think what he could

604
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Speaker 8: bring to the Steelers is pretty similar, except you know,

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Speaker 8: the thing, the reason that Russ stayed in the starting

606
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Speaker 8: job with the Steelers last year is because he had

607
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Speaker 8: a higher potential in the passing game than Justin Fields did,

608
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Speaker 8: and namely with the deep ball, just being able to

609
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Speaker 8: throw those moon balls down the field at George Pickens.

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Speaker 8: And now they got two guys who can win those

611
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 8: those matchups. But they think that you know, if you

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Speaker 8: look at it on the surface, Rogers probably still brings

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Speaker 8: you more potential in the passing game if he can

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Speaker 8: be the guy that he was in the back half

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Speaker 8: of last season. You know, you come back from the

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Speaker 8: Achilles and you're not gonna be as multile as you

617
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Speaker 8: were before. He's also forty one years old, but he's

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Speaker 8: still got that arm talent, and I think that they're

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Speaker 8: just you know, kind of projecting, well, if we can

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Speaker 8: get the most out of it. Movid be better than

621
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Speaker 8: if we could get the most out of Russell Wilson

622
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Speaker 8: last year. So we're willing to wait for that. But

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Speaker 8: it is a stop gap. It is a short term option, absolutely,

624
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Speaker 8: and they I don't think that they're going to be

625
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Speaker 8: planning beyond that. And you do that in the draft.

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Speaker 8: You do that and finding somebod that you can maybe developed,

627
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Speaker 8: because they've swung and missed on guys like that ever

628
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Speaker 8: since Ben Roethlisberger retired. So that's it. He's he's on

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Speaker 8: your team for twenty twenty five if he decides to

630
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Speaker 8: sign there, and you try to get the most out

631
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Speaker 8: of him, and and you work on a plan for

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Speaker 8: the year after, because what you don't want to be

633
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Speaker 8: is a team that has to answer this question for

634
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Speaker 8: your single year. I mean the Browns, right, So people

635
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Speaker 8: in Cleveland know that all too well.

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Speaker 3: So one of the things that's what's one of the

637
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Speaker 3: things that's hard for me to get my head around,

638
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Speaker 3: is what does I guess in the case of the Steelers.

639
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Speaker 3: I understand that it's not like they're picking at the

640
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Speaker 3: top of the draft, but what does where's Russell Wilson

641
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Speaker 3: at in your mind? As a quarterback, and what would

642
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Speaker 3: he do for a team that he goes to.

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Speaker 8: I think that he could bridge a team and settle it,

644
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Speaker 8: stabilize it a little bit. But he's never going to

645
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 8: elevate you to the point where your team is, you know,

646
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Speaker 8: better because of him. It's just that you can be

647
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Speaker 8: good enough because of him. And it's got to be

648
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Speaker 8: about fitting and where he how he works with the

649
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 8: coaching staff and everything else, and what he works with

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Speaker 8: in the scheme of your offense. I actually think that

651
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Speaker 8: the fit in Cleveland wouldn't be terrible with him it.

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Speaker 8: You know, his skill set kind of lends itself to all, right, well,

653
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Speaker 8: maybe build out the run a little bit and run

654
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Speaker 8: a little play action and you know, he's got that

655
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Speaker 8: deep all ability and he's still got that you know,

656
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 8: that veteran in him that can find the open guy

657
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 8: and can make the pre snap reads and everything else.

658
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 5: You know.

659
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 8: The big issue with him in his last days in Seattle,

660
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 8: who's hanging on the football too long? I think he's

661
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 8: kind of let that go. For the most part.

662
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 7: He did a pretty good job.

663
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 8: Of bits with the Steelers for the most part. I

664
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 8: mean there were ups and down and they didn't finish well,

665
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 8: but I didn't think he was necessarily the biggest problem.

666
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 8: It's just it's a fit thing. And so I think

667
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 8: that he could bring that to a team that needs

668
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 8: that type of stability. He could be that for the

669
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 8: Giants if if they wanted him to be. He could

670
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 8: be that for the Browns. But you know, he's not

671
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 8: going to elevate you past a certain point. He's just

672
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 8: going to keep you. Honestly, I hate to say it,

673
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 8: but kind of feels a lot like what Gardner Minshew

674
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 8: was for the Colts two years ago, which is a

675
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 8: guy who's going to keep you afloat, but he's not

676
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 8: going to go win you a bunch of games.

677
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: So in that scenario, and then with Russell Wilson, I

678
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: agree with you. I also think it's interesting that Kenny

679
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 3: Pickett is here and we talk about kind of your

680
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: thoughts on him.

681
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 4: As well, who is by the way, Nick Chook.

682
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: In the time that I've been here, we have never

683
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 3: had a quarterback with a sixty winning percentage in this building.

684
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 3: So Kenny Pickett at fifteen and ten is the best

685
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: winning quarterback that's full of Donna Brown's uniform in my

686
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: time here, which is going on now well over a decade.

687
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: He's here. Jerry Judy and Russell Wilson certainly did not

688
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: work out in Denver. That to me is somewhat of

689
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: a factor. And then I don't know about you, but

690
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: if I brought in Russell Wilson, that does not change

691
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form my desire to take

692
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: a quarterback second overall or to trade the one to

693
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 3: take a quarterback first overall.

694
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 8: Absolutely, And I think that when I talked about this situation,

695
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 8: I don't think it's with you guys, but it was

696
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 8: Brown's relate months ago. You know, I was asked, what

697
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 8: do you do at number two? And I'm like, you

698
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 8: have to figure out quarterback number one priority in the draft,

699
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 8: ye figuring out quarterback above all. And I was scoffed

700
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 8: at the time, is well, what if they have dual

701
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 8: Carter's there and everything else, you take best player available.

702
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't care, because in this league,

703
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 8: if you don't have a quarterback, you don't have anything.

704
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 8: And you got to have some sort of plan or

705
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 8: something to work toward the long term. See, the breach

706
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 8: still has to be the number one priority. I mean,

707
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 8: I watched it every year. With too many games you

708
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 8: lose your quarterback or you don't have a quarterback, your

709
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 8: ceiling is just simply lower. So that has to be

710
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 8: the number one priorc.

711
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 3: I can't win.

712
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 8: It will be regardless of who you sign. It's still

713
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 8: going to be because you need something to work toward

714
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 8: the position you can't win. You're absolutely right, and you

715
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 8: know some Judy thing, but you're absolutely right too, because

716
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 8: I think about that game. I think it was a

717
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 8: Colts or maybe a different game where they played on

718
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 8: prime time where Judy's running wide open on the left

719
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 8: side of the field and he would have been for

720
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 8: the game winning touchdown and Wilson never sees him. I

721
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 8: want to say he took his helmet off and like

722
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 8: threw it on the ground just in disgust. And if

723
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 8: that is, if there is any sort of animasi there's

724
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 8: a lack of connection there, then yeah, that's another starter

725
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 8: for me too. I totally agree with you there, and

726
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 8: that would eliminate him from consideration as well. So yeah,

727
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 8: you it is interesting that they added to take it.

728
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 8: You know, I have a lot of friends who will

729
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 8: text me and complain and whatever it is, and of

730
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 8: getting Kenny Pickett's going to save us, like sarcastically, and

731
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 8: I'm like, this is the first of many moves. They

732
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 8: are going to make many moves at the position. It's

733
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 8: just the first of it. And you know, in Kenny's defense,

734
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 8: he did not handle the whole Wilson and Fields additions

735
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 8: to Pittsburgh very well and kind of got himself traded

736
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 8: out of there. But he did pretty well with the

737
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 8: Eagles last year when he did come in for Jalen Hurts.

738
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 8: You know, they should have won that game in Washington.

739
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 8: They didn't lose it because of him. They lost it

740
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 8: because the receivers suddenly found themselves covered in crisco in

741
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 8: the fourth quarter of that game, couldn't catch a bunch

742
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 8: of very on target passes. And he did a good

743
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 8: enough job, you know, when they beat the Cowboys before

744
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 8: he exit that game. So small sample size, of course,

745
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 8: but I think he could do the job, especially in

746
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 8: the Kevin Stevanski offense, which I think is the most

747
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 8: important thing above all. A guy that fits with Kevin

748
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 8: STEFANKI really wants to do offensively. I think they got

749
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 8: out of that mode of operation when they acquired Deshaun

750
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 8: Watson and when they tried to build their quarterback room

751
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 8: around that style of player and getting back to what

752
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 8: Stefancy does best, which is building out of the run,

753
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 8: building out of the zone play action. That sort of

754
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 8: thing is going to behoove them, which is why I

755
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 8: still keep my eye on Kirk Cousins as we approach

756
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 8: the draft as a potential option.

757
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: I look at Kenny Pickett as a bite at the apple, right.

758
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: This is a guy that was a first round pick,

759
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: obviously not in a great quarterback class year, who won

760
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: fifteen of his twenty five starts, which we would love

761
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: to go fifteen to ten over our next twenty five

762
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: games here in Cleveland. I think we'd all be thrilled

763
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: with that. Quite frankly, seven of them he led game

764
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: winning drives. So he's got some clutch meter and I

765
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 3: think the one thing that gives me like a little

766
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: bit of hope there. And I'm trying to you know,

767
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: you're measured on it because it just that's just the

768
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: way you have to be in these situations, you know.

769
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: But as we've seen some guys get into better situations

770
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 3: and be better, go back up somewhere for a year,

771
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: you know, Darnold's, for example, in San Francisco and then

772
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: really kind of let things unfold for him. But Matt

773
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: Cannon's offense that he was operating in Pittsburgh was considered

774
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: by many to be the worst offense in the league,

775
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 3: and so an opportunity to get with. You know, Stefanski,

776
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 3: I think we'll only have a better shot of unlocking

777
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: whatever it is that Kenny Pickett can be than what

778
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: we've even seen in the league. And by the way,

779
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: what we've seen in the league isn't bad. He did

780
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: that with a solid running game and a good defense

781
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: and went fifteen to ten in the AFC North. So

782
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 3: I don't I can't do that here.

783
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 8: Our offensive line and a subpar offensive line in Pittsburgh.

784
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 8: Let's not forget he'd never had a lot of time

785
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 8: to throw there as well. I'm not gonna sit here

786
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 8: and like pump up his value.

787
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 4: But I agree with money either no, no, no.

788
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 8: And and honestly, there's so many things about unpack in

789
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 8: what you just said too, because I think the Donald

790
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 8: year that he had kind of threw off everybody's like

791
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 8: expectation or understanding or of what a quarterback can do

792
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 8: from one year to the next they heightened the expectation, well,

793
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 8: maybe we can turn this into a Donald like, you know,

794
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 8: or maybe we can turn this into a Baker Mayfield

795
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 8: like renaissance in Tampa. Understand that Baker had to go

796
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 8: through getting traded, getting cut, being out there before he

797
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 8: kind of, you know, was able to recenter himself and

798
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 8: find and land on an offense with a bunch of

799
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 8: talent receivers in a solid offensive line and then find

800
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 8: his success. Sam Darnold ends up with a team with

801
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 8: two great receivers in Jefferson and Addison, in an offensive

802
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 8: line that played very well, and Aaron Jones had an

803
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 8: excellent year in his first year as well. And it

804
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 8: was Kevin O'Connell at the control who was a quarterback,

805
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 8: the Vonts who's a former quarterback. Right, So it's all

806
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 8: about situation. And I think if you could protect Kenny

807
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 8: Pickett and if he is on the field and you

808
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 8: and you pair him with Kevin Stefansk, you get a

809
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 8: similar O'Connell to Donald relationship if everything else around him

810
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 8: is right. So I agree with you on that, But

811
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 8: at the same time, uh, there's there's there's a number

812
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 8: of different factors that we do have to consider with

813
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 8: these things, and and so you can't you know, you

814
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 8: can't project high, but you can hope. And I definitely

815
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 8: see the vision there for sure.

816
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 4: To me, look low risk.

817
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: As I said, bite at the apples, that's that's, that's

818
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: what you're looking at. H there.

819
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about a guy.

820
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: Who shares your first name and who I'm staring at

821
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: right now as I do every day here in this

822
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: studio and a giant mural, and that's Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb,

823
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: and I realized the fact that this is such a

824
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: good running back draft class I'm sure is impacting a

825
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: lot of what we're seeing from running backs and free agencies.

826
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 3: I mean, just look at the deal Nause he got,

827
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: not that I thought he would blow up, but pretty

828
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: low on terms of the money. There, Nick Chubb remains unsigned.

829
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 3: I want him back in Cleveland. I think everybody wants

830
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: him back in Cleveland. It feels to me like at

831
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 3: this point, you know that you know, the market wasn't

832
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: necessarily what maybe Nick Chubb thought it was going to

833
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: be out there, and so you can bring him back

834
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: pretty cheap, give him some incentives, and I think it's

835
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: a win win massively. So what do you make of

836
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: the fact that Nick Chubb has not yet signed and

837
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: what kind of really the market is for running backs

838
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: when the draft is as loaded as it is at

839
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: that position.

840
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, you just hit the nail around the head there.

841
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 8: I think it's one of the most unique running back

842
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 8: markets we've seen in a long time because we have

843
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 8: so many different factors involved. We have the depression of

844
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 8: the market of the last four or five years, going

845
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 8: back to the Todd Gurley and Devonte Freeman contract, which

846
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 8: pretty much scared every team away from paying a running

847
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 8: back except the Cowboys, who paid Zeke and then paid

848
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 8: the price for it later. You also have a year

849
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 8: in which the running back enjoyed a renaissance, with Saquon

850
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 8: Barkley having a phenomenal year. And he wasn't the only one,

851
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 8: you know, Derrick Henry was fantastic in Baltimore as well.

852
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 8: And then you have this draft class that is super

853
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 8: deep at the position and people are just salivating at

854
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 8: the idea of landing one of these running backs in

855
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 8: the draft, and it makes for a tough situation for

856
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 8: a guy like Nick Chubb, who admittedly was never gonna

857
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 8: have a market that you would expect him to have

858
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 8: even two years ago, because of his injuries and everything else,

859
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 8: and because when he did come back last year, and

860
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 8: credit to him for being able to make it back

861
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 8: on the field, he just didn't look like the same guy,

862
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 8: which is not uncommon for somebody who comes back from

863
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 8: a gruesome knee injury like that, and it's not the

864
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 8: first one he suffered, So I never expected him to

865
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 8: get much of a market. In fact, the only running

866
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 8: back contract that surprised me was Aaron Jones got a

867
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 8: little bit more money on the front side of his

868
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 8: deal in Minnesota than I thought he was going to

869
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 8: get in order to stay there considering his age. So

870
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 8: I think that it's a very possible, you know, the

871
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 8: possibility is pretty high that he could return to the

872
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 8: Browns on a cheap deal and maybe finish his career there.

873
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 8: But I wouldn't put my expectations super high on him.

874
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 8: And this is no doubt in his work ethic or

875
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 8: anything else, because he's a fantastic individual and a hell

876
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 8: of a worker and a great running back, you know,

877
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 8: at his best. But you also have to be realistic

878
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 8: with some of your expectations. So I think you know,

879
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 8: getting out there on the market, testing it, seeing that

880
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 8: these other guys are not getting much money for whatever reason,

881
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 8: you know, be it injury, be it, you know, just

882
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 8: lack of belief and their potential within within a team,

883
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 8: or just market forces, whatever it might be. I think

884
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 8: that him returning is very possible at an affordable rate.

885
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 8: It's just something that you kind of wait out. And

886
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 8: I think the Browns also have to figure out how

887
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 8: they're going to approach the room because you know, the

888
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 8: attempt to fill it with a bunch of different guys

889
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 8: didn't kind of work last year. I respected their efforts

890
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 8: on that front when they did it, but it didn't

891
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 8: really materialize in the way that you wanted it to.

892
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 8: You're going to see it again. I mean, I would

893
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 8: anticipate them drafting another running back this year, trying to

894
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 8: you know, absolutely Ford in the Nicks, and then also

895
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 8: you know, potentially bringing Chubb back and just throw bodies

896
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 8: at it and think, all right, well, we're gonna try

897
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 8: and get as deep as possible and have a rotation

898
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 8: back there instead of a bellcow. But I think the

899
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 8: days of Chubb is as your bellcow back and the

900
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 8: guy that elevates this team are over and that's fine.

901
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 8: He's had a heck of a career and I do

902
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 8: think it would be proper. You know, I did free

903
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 8: agency fits with on NFL dot Com last week, and

904
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 8: the last guy my list was Nick Chubb because I

905
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 8: think it's just right for him to finish his career

906
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 8: in Cleveland, however long that may be, one, two, three years,

907
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 8: however long that may be. I can't imagine him in

908
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 8: another uniform, and I think it would only be right.

909
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 8: But I do think that this is a deal that

910
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 8: will be a lower rate and might take a little

911
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 8: bit of time to get done.

912
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: Agreed. All right, We're gonna get you here out of

913
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: here on this one.

914
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 4: Obviously.

915
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 3: The draft is a month away from today. It'll start

916
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: four weeks from thursday. Brown's number two pick, right now,

917
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: what's your gut?

918
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 5: Who goes?

919
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: Who goes one? Overall? And then at number two you

920
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: were talking quarterbacks earlier? Do you take one there? You

921
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: try to make some move? What's your what's kind of

922
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: the Nick Shook plan?

923
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 5: Right now?

924
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: As you see things as you think they might play out,

925
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: Because that Bill Carter today posted on x he's going

926
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: to be the number one overall pick and if that happens,

927
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: and I think it makes it very easy for the

928
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns at number two.

929
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, it all starts with Tennessee, and it's

930
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 8: been interesting that it hasn't been a slam dunk for

931
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 8: Ward to Tennessee yet, and it keeps me intrigued. But

932
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 8: it also could just be for the sake of variety

933
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 8: and intrigue that that you know, they haven't you know,

934
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 8: been a slam dunk there. But the Carter thing continues to,

935
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 8: you know, tantalize a lot of talent evaluators. Many believe

936
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 8: he's the best player in the draft. That stress reaction

937
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 8: in his foot concerns me. The fact that he didn't

938
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 8: get it fixed and all that stuff. I'm a little

939
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 8: worried about that over the long term, because you know,

940
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 8: you could have a Julio Jones career where he overcomes

941
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 8: it and puts together a Hall of Fame level career.

942
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 8: You could have a Sammy Watkins, and obviously those are

943
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 8: two receivers and not edge rushers. But footage has played

944
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 8: Sammy Watkins throughout his career and really derailed what was

945
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 8: supposed to be a pretty fantastic time in the NFL.

946
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 8: So I always get concerned by that, especially when you're

947
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 8: spending the number one overall picker, even number too. But

948
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 8: of course Tennessee, you know, they hold all They hold

949
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 8: the keys of the car right now, as it pertains

950
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 8: to the Browns, unless they are one of the teams

951
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 8: that are sold on Shadoor Standers, because at that point

952
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 8: they're in the catbird seat if they believe that Ward

953
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 8: or Standers could be their guy at number two. At

954
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 8: that point they just have to wait for the Tennessee

955
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 8: to make their pick and then they make the following pick.

956
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 8: But would I would prioritize quarterback? And it really comes

957
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 8: down to if Ward's definitely going to number one, how

958
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 8: do you view Shoudoor. Do you see him as the

959
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 8: number two overall pick or do you see him as

960
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 8: somebody who's not quite worth that? And that's when things

961
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 8: get crazy. It is the It's gonna be one of

962
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 8: the more unpredictable drafts we've seen over the last decade

963
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 8: because the lack of strength at quarterback and there's death

964
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 8: at positions that aren't typically sexy to people who like to,

965
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 8: you know, watch the draft. So there's gonna be a

966
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 8: lot of surprises, I think, and the Browns are in

967
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 8: a great position to kind of affect at but they

968
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 8: the hope is that whoever they really prefer could still

969
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 8: be there. You know. I know it's made the waves,

970
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 8: it's made the rounds on the internet. You know, our

971
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 8: guy Andrew Ciciliano is sitting down with Miles talking to

972
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 8: him after he signed his extension, asking that quarterback question.

973
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 8: I don't know if Miles is just putting on a

974
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 8: bit of a front or not. I still question that,

975
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 8: but he seemed to like the plan that the Browns had,

976
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 8: and that makes me think that they're pretty confident in

977
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 8: the way that they're going to approach it. So maybe

978
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 8: all this talk that we're going to have over the

979
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 8: next month over quarterbacks going to end up being for

980
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 8: not But it is as it all comes down to

981
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 8: how they evaluate these guys, because, like we said before,

982
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 8: quarterback has to be a priority at this point, and

983
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 8: I think that they understand that.

984
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: I think they do too, And it's one of those

985
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: things that you might not know for a few years.

986
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: And the reality is you can't reach for a quarterback

987
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: who was a franchise quarterback and you can't get proper

988
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: value on a quarterback who busts out, it's just well, I.

989
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 8: Mean, you don't want to be you don't want to

990
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 8: be the Tennessee Titans taking Jake Locker, you don't want

991
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 8: to be, you know, Christian Conter going to the Vikings.

992
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 8: You don't want to. Even Blake Bortles, you know, he

993
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 8: makes it to an AFC title game in the back

994
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 8: of his defense of the Jaguars. Those are all guys

995
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 8: who went high in the draft because they played that position.

996
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 8: And you do overvalue quarterback because of the position, but

997
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 8: because you have to down to your evaluation of the

998
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 8: player themselves.

999
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, if you think the way that I

1000
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: look at it is if you think that should door

1001
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: Sanders can be at his best, if you mach the situation,

1002
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 3: all of it, If you maximize anythink that he can

1003
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: be a top half quarterback in the league, you take

1004
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: him in two. If you don't, then I think you

1005
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: have to reevaluate that.

1006
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 8: I mean, look, most of this season too, talk about

1007
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 8: Lowis sat around fifteen sixteen seventeen in my quarterback index.

1008
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 8: The Miami Dolphins are very happy to have him, so

1009
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 8: I know it's not top five necessarily, but Browns fans

1010
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 8: have not had a quarterback to really hear four that

1011
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 8: even occupies that realm save for a couple of years

1012
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 8: of Baker Mayfield since they've been back. So you gotta

1013
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 8: understand the bar is low here. Let's not let our appetite,

1014
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 8: you know, exceed our expectation here.

1015
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: Listen, we will take right, it's all. This guy's not

1016
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: gonna be Listen. First of all, we don't know. And

1017
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: even go back to that twenty eighteen draft, right, you

1018
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: would say pretty definitively now that the best quarterbacks in

1019
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: that draft or Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.

1020
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: I think that's fair to say.

1021
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: And yeah, a lot of people thought Josh Allen was

1022
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: not a first round pick. Some people didn't even think

1023
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson was a quarterback.

1024
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 8: Yes, and honestly, you look at Josh Allen too. That's

1025
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 8: that's an example of a franchise that had the patience

1026
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 8: to allow him to fix things because he had accuracy

1027
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 8: issues for a long time. He didn't become the guy

1028
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 8: who was until about your three or four. They had patients.

1029
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 4: And that's one thing name with Lamar.

1030
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 8: If you don't have a slam dunk quarterback, this time.

1031
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: It's a it's it is an interesting thing, and it

1032
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: is a tough thing, and it is really unfortunately or fortunately, depending.

1033
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 4: On how you look at it.

1034
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: It's I keep saying all the time there are no

1035
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 3: sure things in the draft's regardless of position.

1036
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 4: That's just the truth. There are no sure things in

1037
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 4: the draft.

1038
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 3: But the one sure thing in the National Football League

1039
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: is you cannot win without a QUARTERA yes, and.

1040
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 8: I would like to remind Browns fans too of this

1041
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 8: might be a little bit painful and it has nothing

1042
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 8: to do with our guy Tim Couch, but it has

1043
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 8: everything to do with, unfortunately the injury played career of

1044
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 8: Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren. Those were all big time

1045
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 8: slam Dunk's top three picks back in the day, and

1046
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 8: those didn't work out either. It's a crapshoot, guys, it

1047
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 8: is a crap shoot. Don't lose sleep over.

1048
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: I just hope for the best, hope exactly, hope for

1049
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 3: the best, and we'll know in a few years. Nick

1050
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 3: Shook follow on Twitter, Follow him on twitch if you

1051
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: want to get into his leagues and get to see

1052
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 3: what's going on there. As he came up just short,

1053
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 3: but I'm sure he's hard on the in the nil

1054
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: portal and on the recruiting trail to get what he

1055
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: needs to put his team over the top in the

1056
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: next year.

1057
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 4: What year in your league? What simulated year was this?

1058
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 8: We're in twenty thirty now and your boys, Florida State

1059
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 8: Seminals are currently number one in six and zero and

1060
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 8: have been destroying opponents with probably our best team yet.

1061
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 8: So come hang out on Twitch. We can hop in

1062
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 8: the chat, we can talk ball while you're watching me

1063
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 8: win football games with the Sentinels. Why not.

1064
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: It's like a beautiful thing, just like this time we

1065
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: spent together, the great Nick Shook. Everybody. When we come back,

1066
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: will be joined by Charlie Potter, senior team writer for

1067
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: Obama Online of On three Sports, to join the show.

1068
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Speaker 3: today and just want to get right into it. Jalen

1084
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: Milroe obviously a lot of buzz coming out of that

1085
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: pro day. What do you think of Jalen Milroe and

1086
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 3: pro prospects?

1087
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's gonna be really interesting to see

1088
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 7: where Jalen ends up because I think he's uber talented.

1089
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 7: He's a freak athlete. I think his forty yard dash

1090
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 7: kind of showed that. I know there were kind of

1091
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 7: mixed reviews on how fast it was, but the school

1092
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 7: had him at an unofficial four three seven. Even if

1093
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 7: he is just in that four to four range, he's

1094
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 7: still fast as lightning. When he gets to the open field,

1095
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 7: he's super dangerous. But I think the most interesting thing

1096
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 7: is just his passing, and I think not only his

1097
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 7: Pro Day, but his what he did at Combine.

1098
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 9: You could tell that's.

1099
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 7: Been a major emphasis for him this offseason. I think

1100
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 7: he made progress over the course of the year. I

1101
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 7: know he had some bumps in terms of just some

1102
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 7: turnover prone games, but he's a guy that's still developing

1103
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 7: as a passer, and I think he's a guy that

1104
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 7: when you look at him, I don't know if he's

1105
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 7: ready to start day one. I think obviously the situation

1106
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 7: he ends up you'll find into will determine that. But

1107
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 7: I think he's a guy that if he can land system,

1108
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 7: I think he can flourish at the next level. Because

1109
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 7: he made a good point talking to us after his

1110
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 7: workout in Tuscaloosa to where he can do a lot

1111
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 7: of things that other quarterbacks can do, but there's no

1112
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 7: one that can do what he can do with the

1113
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 7: ball in his hands, and they open field from an

1114
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 7: athletics standpoint. So yeah, it's gonna be fascinating to see

1115
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 7: what happens with him in the draft here coming up.

1116
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 7: And I know teams are going to like talking to him,

1117
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 7: but I think they're gonna be anxous to see what

1118
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 7: he can do in the field as well.

1119
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: I would agree with that.

1120
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: I think, you know, watching him, for example at the

1121
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl, I thought that coming out of that he

1122
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: had almost kind of torpedoed his draft suck just so inaccurate.

1123
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 3: Even throwing on air. Footwork issues a lot of that.

1124
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: It's clear he's worked on that. At the Combine he

1125
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: looked better, and then at his pro day he looked better. There.

1126
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 3: I know he's been working with Jordan Palmer. What can

1127
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: you tell us kind of about that relationship and what

1128
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 3: really the points of emphasis have been to tighten up

1129
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 3: a guy that was unfortunately pretty accurate when the ball

1130
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 3: went more than five yards in the air.

1131
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he he's got a strong arm from

1132
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 7: a deep throw standpoint. I think when you look at

1133
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 7: that workout, I think he threw fifty three passes and

1134
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 7: testally so I think someone charted that I should have

1135
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 7: been Monope's and Q's and done a better job of

1136
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 7: that for being honest, but I think he's someone that

1137
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 7: when you look at what they tried to highlight, they

1138
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 7: showed the deep balls, they showed the throws on the run,

1139
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 7: but they also show the intermediate things, and I.

1140
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 9: Think that's where he needs to improve.

1141
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 7: I think that's been a focal point for getting ready

1142
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 7: to go through this draft process. It's just those intermediate throws,

1143
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 7: those you know, those deep bouts that throws across the

1144
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 7: middle of the field, because we saw he's great at

1145
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 7: you know, the short game stuff, and then he has

1146
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 7: he has a cannon for an arm to watch the

1147
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 7: ball down the field. But it's the in between stuff

1148
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 7: and so I think he continue to get more comfortable,

1149
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 7: you know, reading the defense, reading the field, making the

1150
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 7: right reads I think is important. And you could tell

1151
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 7: are some of the things that he was doing in

1152
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 7: that pro day workout that that's what they've been working on.

1153
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 7: We didn't get a chance to talk to Jordan or

1154
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 7: anything like that, but I think they've been putting a

1155
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 7: lot of time together for this and you know, he

1156
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 7: was back in Tuscaloose in a familiar setting with some

1157
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 7: familiar guys that he's been throwing the ball to for

1158
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 7: a while now, and I think that, you know, all

1159
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 7: in all, it was a strong workout. You don't really

1160
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 7: see too many pro days go awry, but I think

1161
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 7: that there's there's a lot of question marks around Jalen

1162
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 7: Milroe going into it, and I think there still are,

1163
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 7: but I think that most people walked out of that

1164
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 7: indoor practice facility it kind of impressed with what he

1165
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 7: was able to do.

1166
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: How would you compare him to Let's call it a

1167
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts coming out, and I know it's not exactly

1168
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: a fair comparison because Jalen Hurts then went to basically

1169
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: quarterback finishing school at Oklahoma and lit it up as

1170
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: a thrower of the football that you're seventy percent completions,

1171
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: thirty two touchdowns, almost four thousand yards passing.

1172
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 4: But how would you compare Milroe and Hurts.

1173
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 7: I think there are some similarities. Obviously, what they can

1174
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 7: do with their legs I think is highlighted. But I

1175
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 7: think Jalen Norro is a better runner. Hurt Is is stronger.

1176
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 7: You know, obviously the tush push has been very successful

1177
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 7: there in Philadelphia, and heck, before he even got to Alabama.

1178
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 9: When he was in high school, powerlifting was.

1179
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 7: Was such a big part of what he could do

1180
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 7: from a physicality standpoint. And I think that Hurts is

1181
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 7: someone that Milroe looked up to. He's a reason why

1182
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 7: he came to Alabama because kind of the blueprint was there.

1183
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 7: But I do think they're different. And you mentioned what

1184
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 7: Jalen Hurst was able to do when he left Alabama

1185
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 7: after twa Tongue of Bailoa took over as a starter,

1186
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 7: he really improved and helped himself as a passer. And

1187
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that that wasn't the case for Jaln Milroe,

1188
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 7: that he hasn't improved, But you know, you could tell

1189
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 7: Alabama's most successful games this season are his, at least

1190
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 7: were games where he really leaned on that that running

1191
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 7: the billity. You look at the game at LSU, Alabama

1192
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 7: just torched the Tigers in Baton Rouge, and it was

1193
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 7: because of what Jalen Millroe was able to do his

1194
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 7: legs and here he made some big plays with his

1195
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 7: arms throughout the year. I think the Georgia games kind

1196
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 7: of comes to mind when you think about that. But

1197
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 7: he also had some inadequacies and some inefficiency and really

1198
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 7: the turnovers against Vanderbilt. And I don't really put the

1199
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 7: Vannerbilt loss on Jalen shoulders, but the loss at Oklahoma

1200
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 7: of the loss in Michigan, those are because he hasn't

1201
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 7: taken the next step as a pastor. I think that's

1202
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 7: where the difference is going into this draft process is

1203
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 7: that Jalen Hurts had clearly taken steps as a passer

1204
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 7: and Jaln Milroe that's still kind of a question market

1205
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 7: and I'm known for him going into this process.

1206
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: Do you think if Jalen Milroe had another year with

1207
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 3: Tommy Reese that we might be talking about him as

1208
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: a different level prospect than we.

1209
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 4: Are right now.

1210
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 7: That's hard to say because you look at what Kaylin

1211
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 7: de Boor and Nick Sheridan and his staff have done

1212
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 7: with quarterbacks. Me Michael Pennix is one of the best

1213
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 7: college quarterbacks here in the last few years. And so

1214
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 7: I think it's tough because you look at the first

1215
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 7: year coaching staff when you have a turnover like all

1216
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 7: them experience, because you have a Nick Saban leaving and

1217
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 7: so many guys, you know the portal, you tried just

1218
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 7: to kind of, you know, put some band aids on

1219
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 7: it and roll it out there and hope for the best.

1220
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 9: I do think that some.

1221
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,479
Speaker 7: Continuity as the coordinator would have helped him. He didn't

1222
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 7: have that at all throughout his career. Four years, four

1223
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 7: different play Callers, and so at three years are playing

1224
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 7: actually in three different play callers. They're on their fourth

1225
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 7: this year. But he's a guy that I think continuity

1226
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 7: could have helped. I think Tommy Reese had some nice

1227
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 7: things with him a couple of years ago. But I

1228
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 7: don't know, it's it's it's kind of hard to say

1229
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 7: because that's kind of the hypothetical question. You don't really

1230
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 7: know would have happened. I do think, though, you know, again,

1231
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 7: that continuity with Jaaler probably would have helped.

1232
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: Do you think that that's a pairing that those two

1233
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: would like to re explore.

1234
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 7: I think Jalen will be open to it.

1235
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, no doubt.

1236
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 7: I think he's someone that is It's crazy when we

1237
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 7: were in Pasadena for the Rose Bowl, he just kind

1238
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 7: of lit a fire for Bill O'Brien. But I think

1239
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 7: he also that says a lot about how he felt

1240
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 7: about Tommy Rees and what he was able to do

1241
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 7: with him, just from a development and approach to him point.

1242
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 7: So I think he's more than comfortable with Tommy Reis.

1243
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 7: I think that would be appearing that it would make

1244
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 7: sense because that's familiarity.

1245
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 9: You always like to have that.

1246
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 7: But you can kind of pick up where you left

1247
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 7: off a little bit. Now Jalen's progressed again, having another

1248
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 7: year in college, another year starting in the SEC under

1249
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 7: his belt, So I think that would be something that

1250
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 7: he would be.

1251
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 9: More than open two.

1252
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 4: What round do you think he ends up going?

1253
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 7: Tough to say, because quarterbacks you see crazy.

1254
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 9: Things happen all the time.

1255
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 7: I think he's a Day two type of player.

1256
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 9: I think the third round makes a lot of sense.

1257
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 9: I would be surprised.

1258
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 7: If you he goes to Day three, but I think

1259
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 7: I think Day two Jalen there was a Day two pick.

1260
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 7: I think he has the physicality and the athletic ability

1261
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 7: of a first round player. But I think again go

1262
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 7: back to the passing, the question marks there. I think

1263
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 7: they team makes a lot of sense. I'd say probably

1264
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 7: round three. I think that's where I would expect him

1265
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 7: to go, but I wouldn't. I'm not going to sit

1266
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 7: here and that, like I've analyzed the entire draft.

1267
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: And I know exactly ahead of this. Of course, well,

1268
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 3: a couple of guys that probably won't be in play

1269
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: for the Browns because they will likely go in the

1270
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 3: first round, Tyler Booker and Ghat Campbell.

1271
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 4: What can you tell us about those two, how good

1272
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 4: are they?

1273
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 3: And Campbell seems like a guy that is going to

1274
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: make our team very, very happy.

1275
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, joh hot Is, he's a great guy, but he's

1276
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 7: an even better player. He's you know, I knew that

1277
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 7: he was going to have a good combine, but.

1278
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 9: When you look at him, he's just such a physical freak.

1279
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 7: And it's funny because he changed to number eleven this

1280
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 7: year and I think back in the spring we asked

1281
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 7: him why and he says, it's just a freakier number

1282
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 7: and it works. So he's a guy that he has

1283
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 7: all the tools.

1284
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 9: He can line up all over the defense.

1285
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 7: Altama this year kind of used him off the edge

1286
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 7: a little bit more when he's been more of an

1287
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 7: off ball line and you know, he really flourished. He

1288
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 7: led the team in sacks, he led the team in tackles.

1289
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 7: He's a guy that is just gonna do everything for

1290
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 7: his team at the next level. And Tyler Booker mean's

1291
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 7: the best into your linement in this draft. But if

1292
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 7: that's a dude that you want your locker room, he's

1293
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 7: a great leader. He's gonna get on guys that aren't

1294
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 7: doing the right thing regardless of their age. He kind

1295
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 7: of was starting to do that as a true freshman

1296
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 7: at Alabama when he was kind of rotating at both

1297
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Speaker 7: guard positions before locking down the starting job. And so

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Speaker 7: both of those guys are are great.

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Speaker 9: You're right, and I don't think they're gonna have to

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Speaker 9: wait very long.

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Speaker 7: I know there's kind of been mixed reviews.

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Speaker 9: On Tyler Brook.

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Speaker 7: I think he did help himself out with you know

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Speaker 7: what he was able to do at Pro Day after

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Speaker 7: maybe a so so combine performance. But would you hide

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Speaker 7: someone that you know, toured up in Indianapolis. He had

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Speaker 7: surgery on his shoulder, I believe, and he had his

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Speaker 7: arm in his fling. But I don't think that's gonna

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Speaker 7: deter anybody that's just basically maintenance. But yeah, those guys

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Speaker 7: are gonna they're not gonna have to wait to hear

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Speaker 7: their name called very long. And there guys are gonna

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Speaker 7: be playing on Sunday.

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Speaker 9: It's for a very very long time.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite of kind of the other

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Speaker 3: guys maybe some of you think might be a Day

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Speaker 3: three Alabama gem tough.

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Speaker 7: I like a lot of the dudes in this draft.

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Speaker 7: It's a smaller class and that I think goes hand

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Speaker 7: in hand with a nine to four finish if we're

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Speaker 7: being completely honest, A lot of them they're the seniors.

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Speaker 7: You had just three underclass and turn pro, which is

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Speaker 7: you know what was to be expected. It was Milroe,

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Speaker 7: Booker and Campbell. But the rest are just seniors. I'm

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Speaker 7: interested in the tight end group with C. J. Dupri

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Speaker 7: and Robbie Utes. Robbie huts Is, I think he came

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Speaker 7: in at two seventy eight at this Pro day. He's

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Speaker 7: a big tight end, but he's kind of that full back,

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Speaker 7: kind of jack of all trades kind of player, kind

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Speaker 7: of throwback player that you just kind of want to

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Speaker 7: see succeed in the NFL. Teams are gonna love him,

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Speaker 7: Fans are gonna love him. He as a handlebar, mustache

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Speaker 7: and the mullet. He's a guy that just puts his

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Speaker 7: hand the dirt and does all the dirty work. And

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Speaker 7: then a guy like Malacon Moore, he came back for

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Speaker 7: a fifteen in He's played a ton of football at Alabama.

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Speaker 7: You know he might be maybe a little undersized for safety. Uh,

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Speaker 7: he hasn't been healthy to end his career. And then

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Speaker 7: I know he's dealt with injuries throughout his career, but

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Speaker 7: just a super uh, super good dude and a guy

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Speaker 7: that again a leader.

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Speaker 9: He's been productive.

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Speaker 7: Uh he played right away in Nick Saban's secondary, which

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Speaker 7: is hard to do in Tuscaloosa, and then continue to

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Speaker 7: play throughout his career. I think guys like that I'm

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Speaker 7: really interested in. I mean, you can go down the

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Speaker 7: list all the seniors you're rooting for after covering them

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Speaker 7: for the last four or five years, but those are

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Speaker 7: the guys, those are the guys that kind of come

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Speaker 7: to my mind first off.

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Speaker 3: So, well, this has been great stuff, Charlie. We really

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Speaker 3: appreciate the time. And uh, we'll see what happens if

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Speaker 3: we get any Bama guys here to the to the

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Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns obviously some very good ones on the roster already.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your time today, No.

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Speaker 7: Problem, guys.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, you got Tommy Brown out there. You got

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Speaker 9: a good one. Ah.

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Speaker 4: What a human being that guy is.

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Speaker 3: We love. Tony Brown on the show also wants to

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Speaker 3: congrats to a Crimson tidesman basketball team on a Sweet

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Speaker 3: sixteen appearance. I know you were in town covering them

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Speaker 3: this weekend, so I hope the city treated you well.

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Speaker 7: Yep, being new this week looking for another trip to

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Speaker 7: Final four, so thanks for having me, guys.

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Speaker 3: You got it all right. That was Charlie Potter, senior

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Speaker 3: team writer for Bama Online of on three Sports, and

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Speaker 3: he joined us via the Twisted Tea Hotline, presented by

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Speaker 3: more coming up. At the bottom of the hour. Ben

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Speaker 3: Stan Diggwashington Commanders writer for The Athletic, joins the show

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Speaker 3: to talk about his mock draft. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: Browns did make a little bit of news over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: and the Browns signed linebacker Jerome Baker to a one

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Speaker 3: year deal. Baker entering his eighth NFL season out of

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Speaker 3: Ohio State. He also attended high school nearby Benedictine and

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Speaker 3: was born in Cleveland. The Browns now have how many

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Speaker 3: g men players who took the benetting to Ohio State

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Speaker 3: to Brown's path?

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Speaker 1: Two players that took the Benedictine to Ohio State path

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Speaker 1: and yelling Mike Hall junior, who spent one year at

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Speaker 1: Benedictine before transferring to Streetsborough to finish out his career.

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Speaker 3: G Man, you always come in in a big way,

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01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 3: g Man, in a real big way. Baker was originally

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Speaker 3: the seventy third overall pick in the twenty eighteen NFL Draft.

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01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 3: That's a third round pick taken by the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: Spent six years with the Dolphins, playing in ninety four

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Speaker 3: games with eighty two starts, recording five hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: seven tackles, thirty one tackles for lost, twenty two and

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Speaker 3: a half sacks, five picks, and six force fumbles. Last year,

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Speaker 3: signed with the Seahawks. Spent some time on the pup list,

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Speaker 3: but started five games before being traded Tennessee on October

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Speaker 3: twenty third. He had sixty one tackles, two tackles for lost,

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01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: four passes, defense to force fumble, and two sacks in

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01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 3: ten games. Baker beings some speed and obviously some pedigree

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Speaker 3: to the Browns linebacker room, which now you know, looks

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01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 3: like we've got the question mark around j Okay unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: but now you're your starter's probably in a three linebacker alignment.

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Speaker 5: Would be.

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Speaker 3: In the middle. We've got Jordan Hicks. At the will,

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Speaker 3: we would have Baker, and at the SAM you would

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Speaker 3: have Devin Bush, who's also back with the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 3: as well. And then you've got Diabate, You've got Winston Red,

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Speaker 3: You've got Bookie Wattson behind them, so the Brown's right there.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you've got a pretty good, you know,

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01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: seven guys in that room.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, does that change how we

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Speaker 5: look at that being a priority?

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Speaker 3: I think so. I think so. I like Baker on

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Speaker 3: a one year deal. You still it's the last year

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Speaker 3: for Hicks. Baker's on a one year deal. Bush's on

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01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 3: a one year deal. So you do need some type of,

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 3: you know, younger player that you have stability. That is Jokay,

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Speaker 3: who's one of the best off ball linebackers in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: We just don't know what his availability is going to be.

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01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 3: Fortunately there, cam Ward's Pro Day is going on? Is

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01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 3: it going on now? Is he throwing yet?

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Speaker 5: It's an amazing fumble by every TV network. Okay, NFL

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01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 5: Network's not even live till four o'clock. Okay, because so

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01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 5: he started early. Now he was supposed to start around

1443
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 5: three point thirty. He's going now, NFL Networks showing another

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Speaker 5: an old game. ESPN's got women's college basketball ESPN two.

1445
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 5: What did ESPN two have on ESPN News.

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Speaker 4: He's literally showing right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh, they had first take on ESPN News. ESPN

1448
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Speaker 5: two had that Tiger Woods Rory golf thing re air.

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Speaker 5: I'm no one has cam Ward's pro Day. If it's

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Speaker 5: truly going on right now, no one has it.

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Speaker 3: The passing workout will air on NFL network at approximately.

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Speaker 4: Four to thirty.

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Speaker 5: Does that mean it's not live?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I would imagine if it was live,

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01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: somebody would have at least put video out that was

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01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 3: there on a cell phone. We are not seeing that

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Speaker 3: at all, so maybe it is.

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Speaker 5: So maybe it's not happening yet. It wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 5: start till.

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Speaker 3: Four, So that's where we're at right now. I will

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Speaker 3: tell you that the Titans did take cam Ward out

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Speaker 3: to dinner last night.

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Speaker 5: Paul Kuharski reported that he would know he's pretty ingrained.

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Speaker 5: Would that be He's probably one of the best ones there. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What Paul Kuharski said was Titans so to camwore to

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Speaker 3: dinner last night. Also said the Titans contingent to Miami

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Speaker 3: pro Da to see Camward includes Chad Brinker, Mike Borganzi,

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Speaker 3: Regie McKenzie, Dave Zigler, Brian Callahan, Nicholes and Moore. That

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Speaker 3: is a pretty loaded group. That is basically everybody at

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Speaker 3: the top of their It's everybody at the top of

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Speaker 3: that organization.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, we're talking a lot about cam Ward's

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Speaker 5: pro day, but it's also a certain tight ends pro

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Speaker 5: day for the you that the an interest.

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Speaker 3: Elijah Arroyo certainly interested to see him, and I think

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Speaker 3: probably one of the big questions with him will be

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Speaker 3: much more around just his health.

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Speaker 4: Where he is he at, is he ready to go?

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Speaker 3: Is he able to you know, fully participate in this

1480
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 3: pro day here we'll see that. By the way, today's

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Speaker 3: big birthday day, Peyton Manning's birthday today. Yes, did you

1482
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Speaker 3: see over the weekend? I believe it was yesterday. Actually,

1483
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Speaker 3: Tiger Woods has a new squeeze announced in a very yeah,

1484
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 3: bizarre way. Yep, I'm gonna make this public, but then

1485
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 3: please respect my privacy. And the second picture he kind

1486
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Speaker 3: of looks like weekend at Bernie's.

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Speaker 4: To me, it doesn't even look right.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't know where this goes. I mean, are we

1490
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Speaker 5: are we feeling bad because no one's paying attention to

1491
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Speaker 5: us because now we're done for the year and golf,

1492
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 5: so now we've got to post something about a relationship

1493
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 5: that we don't want anybody else.

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Speaker 4: It was just very strange.

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Speaker 5: Come on, Gray, you're better than this.

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Speaker 3: It was very strange.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, no, no, we saw it. I just

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Speaker 5: I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: It that even the ambassador of Cools like what is

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Speaker 3: going on here? And I'm like, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Don't play him.

1502
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 4: It's it just was odd.

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Speaker 5: It's very odd. I I I don't. I don't know

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Speaker 5: what's what's happening there.

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Speaker 3: He definitely has a type. I'll say that there's a

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Speaker 3: pretty good through line. Yeah, on the Ladies of Tiger

1507
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Speaker 3: Woods with him a speedy recovery. Again, it was just.

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Speaker 5: What are we still like three weeks from the Masters too?

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Speaker 5: I feel like the Masters is late. It was sad.

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Speaker 3: We live in a strange aside. Let's just go ahead

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01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 3: and just throw that out there. Now. Social media is

1512
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 3: a part of it, but it's enough from the clown said,

1513
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 3: making a public post announcing something to ask for privacy

1514
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 3: about that thing is is it's a one of a

1515
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 3: kind type thing to do it.

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 5: The Masters doesn't start till April tenth.

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01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 4: No, this is, by the way.

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01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 3: According to Zach Jackson, the Titans have their head coach, GM,

1519
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 3: team president, and more from their football staff here at Miami.

1520
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 3: In case you wanted more of a tel the Titans

1521
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 3: also have their in house TV and website production team here.

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01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 4: They have any one pick, they can do whatever they want.

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01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 5: That's impressive.

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01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 4: I didn't know that you were allowed to bring team

1525
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 4: stuff to.

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 5: I was not aware either A to interesting unless maybe

1527
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 5: they're following a scout or because I think we've done that,

1528
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 5: we did that too.

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01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 3: You're right, that could be it.

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01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 4: It does feel however, it does feel like it is.

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01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, were they were they all in a

1532
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 5: dual cart? Were they all has?

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01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 3: He had his?

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01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 5: Oh, Penn State's Friday, so we'll find out Friday, and

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01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 5: Colorado's is the following Friday.

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01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 4: My guess is that they will have ever, they will

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01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 4: have the same.

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01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 5: Colorado One's going to be a circus of epic proportions.

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01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 3: They will have the same thing. The biggest circus Pro

1540
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 3: Day in the history of prodeys was Johnny Football cam I.

1541
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 5: Was a former president of the Helmet.

1542
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 4: George Bush on a golf cart.

1543
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 5: That's right.

1544
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that had that pretty much. That pretty much had

1545
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 4: it all all right.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, Ben Standing, Washington Commanders, writer for

1547
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 3: The Athletic, joins the show on the Twisted Tea Hotline

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Speaker 3: that's coming your way here as we wrap up our

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Speaker 3: number two of this Monday edition of Cleveland Browns Daily

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Speaker 3: joined by Ben Standing, the Washington Commander, senior writer for

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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns keep it twisted Cleveland, Ben, thank you

1563
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 3: for being with us, and I would be remissfight didn't

1564
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 3: point out that last year the number two pick was

1565
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 3: held by the Washington Commanders. They get Jaden Daniels and

1566
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: they are now a completely different franchise than they were

1567
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 3: one year ago. The Browns hold the second pick in

1568
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 3: this draft, and while some up said it's not quite

1569
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 3: the same quarterback draft, the opportunity to turn it around remains.

1570
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 3: And you went quarterback one to two in your mock.

1571
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 3: What was kind of the thought process there?

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Speaker 10: Thanks thanks for having me, man, It was, you know,

1573
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 10: when when there's only one pickoff the board, it shouldn't

1574
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 10: be that complicated to be like what should you do?

1575
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 10: But obviously this is a pretty fascinating call because it

1576
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 10: does not seem like, you know, teams are valuing Sedar

1577
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 10: Sanders as like a top two player in the draft,

1578
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 10: top five. Some don't even necessarily see him in the

1579
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 10: first round, you know all that, And yet obviously we

1580
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 10: know quarterbacks rule of the world, doesn't you know, you

1581
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 10: would know better than me. But it doesn't feel like

1582
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 10: Cleveland is like as far off from getting back into

1583
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 10: the mix for the you know, postseason or at least

1584
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 10: all five hundred or above record, and not that a

1585
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 10: rookie quarterback automatically comes in and does that. Washington, you know,

1586
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 10: was fortunate last year, but you know, you got to

1587
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 10: have some hope, some some potential at that spot, and

1588
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 10: it feels like that would make a lot of sense.

1589
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 10: On the other hand, why I forced the pick. Why

1590
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 10: not just take Abdul Carter, considered to be the top

1591
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 10: player in the draft, pair him with Miles Garrett and

1592
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 10: now that defense is looking really formidable. But you know,

1593
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 10: then what are you doing at quarterback? So you know,

1594
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 10: I think it is just such a debate, but like, yeah,

1595
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 10: at the moment, at least I'll change my mind twelve times.

1596
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 10: But the moment, I feel like the call would be

1597
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 10: to take the quarterback and hope that not only helps

1598
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 10: you this year, but buys you time to say, hey,

1599
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 10: we've got a good piece here, we just have to

1600
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 10: give it a little more time to get going.

1601
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 3: Isn't it fascinating though? On quarterback just in general. And

1602
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 3: I think, you know, certainly you make a great point there,

1603
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 3: and that you know, last year at this time bon

1604
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 3: Nick was in a first round quarterback He goes twelve

1605
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 3: to Denver and they're thrilled to have him end up

1606
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 3: going to the playoffs in his first year. And obviously

1607
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 3: some of the skill sets between the Door and bo

1608
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 3: Nix are very similar to the accuracy all of that.

1609
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 3: And you've seen it, and I don't know if you

1610
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 3: remember this, but I do from being at the combine

1611
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 3: last year. People really liked Jaden Daniels, no doubt, but

1612
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,839
Speaker 3: it was considered a Caleb Williams draft and then everybody

1613
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 3: else at that position. And yet right now Jane Daniels

1614
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 3: would have gone number one if you read that draft

1615
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 3: a year.

1616
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 10: Later, hundred percent. I really do think. I mean, look,

1617
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 10: I think who you have as your coaching staff, you know,

1618
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 10: all that of course matters a lot, but I think

1619
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 10: from this quarterback position it matters the most. Washington was

1620
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 10: fortunate last year they brought in Cliff Kingsbury, you know,

1621
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 10: and he really was a good fit for Jade and

1622
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 10: Daniels and that he understood what the quarterback was about

1623
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 10: and he catered to him a lot. And I think

1624
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 10: part of the reason I like Cleveland going to a

1625
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 10: quarterback is because of Kevin Stefanski. I mean, because he's

1626
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 10: had success, you know, developing quarterbacks. He's an offensive minded

1627
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 10: guy that it's not just going to just sort of

1628
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 10: random team who might need a quarterback. This is one

1629
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 10: of those coaches who, you you know, generally kind of think, hey,

1630
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 10: if he gets his hands on a young quarterback, he

1631
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 10: can really do something with this. And I think that's

1632
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 10: kind of what I'd lean into here as well. So

1633
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 10: I think, you know, I think that's all part of it.

1634
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 10: I mean, look, the you know, something needs to give

1635
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 10: with regards to this, you know, to the Browns. And

1636
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 10: the good thing with Shador is you know, look, he

1637
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 10: faced a lot of attention obviously because of his name

1638
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 10: and his dad and everything else over the last few years.

1639
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 10: But he shouldn't be, you know, relatively speaking to guys

1640
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 10: coming in to the league. He shouldn't be you know,

1641
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 10: rattled by the attention that comes with this situation. And

1642
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 10: you know, look, obviously it's you know, they're still I

1643
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 10: guess talk right about a Kirk Cousins or obviously Kenny

1644
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 10: Pickett's there. It's not like they have to say go

1645
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 10: using week one, which is something I generally probably wouldn't

1646
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 10: do with the rookie quarterbacks. But you know, having that

1647
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 10: kind of guy in the building to give you that potential,

1648
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 10: and again to have him with Stefanski, I think, to

1649
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 10: me is sort of why I'd be more inclined to

1650
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 10: do it than if it was to say more of

1651
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 10: a you know, if you just didn't have that type

1652
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:54,759
Speaker 10: of teacher in the building.

1653
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 3: Agreed, And I think the only way out of this

1654
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 3: mess for the Browns is to get that quarter back

1655
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 3: on a rookie deal. And they have an opportunity obviously

1656
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: a pick two to do just that. Now, you talked

1657
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 3: about Abdua Carter and you know he he tweeted out

1658
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 3: today he's going to be the number one overall pick.

1659
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 3: We know that Tennessee has their entire contingent down there

1660
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 3: at cam Ward's pro day. We'll see if they do

1661
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 3: the same for Carter's on Friday. But you have him

1662
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 3: going forth not even third. What was kind of the

1663
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 3: thought with the Giants they're taking Travis Hunter.

1664
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know the obviously you look at the Giants

1665
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 10: roster and you know they made a big trade to

1666
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 10: get Brian Burns. They spent a first round pick on

1667
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 10: cave On Tibdau, and you know it's not that Tibdaux.

1668
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 10: Thibodeau has been amazing, but you know he's been he's

1669
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 10: been good. He's still young and all that. So is

1670
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 10: this more like, you know, Travis Hunter has got such

1671
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 10: a unique skill set obviously, can play corner, can play receiver.

1672
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 10: The Giants still need more offensive playmaking, I would say

1673
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 10: beyond elite neighbors. So you know, push comes to shove.

1674
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 10: I don't know if I would be you know, really

1675
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 10: passing on the defensive end. Who's considered arguably the number

1676
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 10: one guy for the guy who's probably considered the number

1677
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 10: two prospect, but he played is a less you know,

1678
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 10: vital position at corner. We plays two positions, So it's

1679
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 10: it was like that, but you know it obviously it

1680
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 10: could go either either way. That's the number one thing

1681
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 10: is fascinating because you know, cam Ward is not like

1682
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 10: I've heard people say, yeah, he might be the number

1683
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 10: one pick, but like again, compared it to last year,

1684
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 10: he's probably closer that Pennix phone Knicks range than he

1685
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 10: is the Jayden and Daniels, Caleb Williams. And so why

1686
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 10: you know, why pass on again a better prospects opposedly

1687
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 10: to not dual Carter, but they have done nothing at

1688
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 10: quarterback the Titans, right, I mean they added what Brandon

1689
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 10: Allen to be some depth piece, and no, I don't

1690
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 10: think will Levis is without hope, but clearly there's a

1691
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 10: lot of questions there. So if they work, if they're

1692
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 10: not taking quarterback, I'm not really sure what they're doing then,

1693
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 10: because it doesn't seem like they've got a lot They're

1694
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 10: gonna have a ton of options to help this team,

1695
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 10: you know, for this year.

1696
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see there as you kind of

1697
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 3: go through this your mock, what kind of were the

1698
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 3: kind of maybe some of the stress points to you

1699
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 3: or some of the picks that you thought really made

1700
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: We're going to kind of make or break kind of

1701
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 3: the direction that this draft is going to go.

1702
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure, you know, I think the Raiders at

1703
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 10: six like to me and I have them taking the

1704
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 10: running back Ashton Genty, which, on the one hand, I

1705
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 10: feel like would be insane from the standpoint that you know,

1706
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,759
Speaker 10: if you're going to take a running back like obviously,

1707
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 10: running back vibes are on an uptick these days in

1708
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 10: the NFL thanks to some Sakwah Barkley and Jami or

1709
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 10: Gibbs and things like that. But if you're going to

1710
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 10: take a running back that high, you pretty much have

1711
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 10: to feel like, hey, we are that piece away from

1712
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 10: really pushing this thing to contender level. And I don't

1713
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 10: think the Raiders are there. On the other hand, the

1714
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 10: board is kind of weird. The positions they need don't

1715
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 10: kind of exist. Genty is viewed as you know, he

1716
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 10: may be the third best prospect in the draft according

1717
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 10: to you know, different people you talk to, and you know,

1718
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 10: with Pete Carroll, he's always had a fascination with well

1719
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 10: not fascination, but he's been more the ground game guy.

1720
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 10: They Seattle, you know, had some running backs they took

1721
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 10: the higher in the draft, were Sean Penny in the

1722
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 10: first round, things like that. So you know, it may

1723
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 10: be like they have to go for the best player

1724
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 10: and he happens to be at that spot. But you know,

1725
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 10: if they don't take him, you know, then then Jenki

1726
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 10: may fall down to ten to the Bears. I think

1727
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 10: that's a really fascinating marriage if that were to take place.

1728
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 10: I think the Saints at nine are really interesting as well,

1729
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 10: Like they could go in all kinds of directions, but

1730
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 10: you know, I have them taking a tight end, which

1731
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 10: typically is earlier than you would want to do that.

1732
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 10: I know Rock Bowers last year still a little bit

1733
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 10: and that worked out very well for the Raiders. But

1734
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 10: you know, does you know, does Tyler Warren go to

1735
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 10: the Saints at nine? If not, does he fall down

1736
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 10: to the Colts at fourteen? And if that happens, then

1737
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 10: does the kid out of Michigan Loveland? Does he does

1738
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 10: he fall all the way down to the twenties maybe

1739
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 10: where his old coach and Jim Harbaugh is. So, you know,

1740
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 10: that's one of those positions tight end and running back

1741
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,759
Speaker 10: to where you know, if you don't know in one spot,

1742
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 10: you could have a decent fall just because it's not

1743
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 10: positioned that people tend to want to invest high. And

1744
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 10: on the other hand, these are some of the better

1745
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 10: considered to be some of the better prospects in the draft,

1746
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 10: and so that's where I think, you know, individual evaluation

1747
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 10: versus position value, you know, might be a tricky thing

1748
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 10: for some of these teams.

1749
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 3: So you've got a couple of trade backs, the Giants

1750
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 3: and the Browns, So picks two and three, the Giants

1751
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 3: come back in with Minnesota at number twenty four to

1752
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 3: take Jackson Dart and he's been a prospect that it

1753
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 3: seems interesting. You've seen some mocks have him go all

1754
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 3: the way up to the top ten, some don't have

1755
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 3: him in the first round at all. But it's one

1756
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 3: of those strange phenomenons where his momentum seems to be building.

1757
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 3: What was kind of the thought for the Giants there

1758
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,520
Speaker 3: who recently signed Jameis Winston as well?

1759
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 10: Right, well, it feels like, you know, if there's a

1760
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 10: team that's in this draft that feels very desperate, it's

1761
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 10: the Giants. I mean, I know that Cleveland, you know

1762
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 10: is also needs to get a quarterback. But you know,

1763
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 10: I don't know you would know better than me. But

1764
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 10: you know, as Andrew Berry and Stefanski, they that much

1765
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 10: on the hot seat, I don't I don't know. It's

1766
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 10: hard to blame them for what's gone on here. The

1767
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 10: lad Well to some degree, you know, with what's gone

1768
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,839
Speaker 10: here the last couple of years, whereas with the Giants,

1769
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 10: especially after the great season of hard knocks that completely

1770
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 10: burned the Giants you know, front office and coaching staff, like,

1771
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 10: I don't you know, I don't know that they're making

1772
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 10: it one more year here. So I think they have

1773
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 10: to do something at that spot. It doesn't feel like

1774
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 10: Aaron Rodgers is going there, which is probably the best

1775
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 10: uh in James Winston. I think, you know, everybody kind

1776
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 10: of likes that except but you know, again, you know,

1777
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 10: you guys saw it last year. It's just such a

1778
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 10: roller coaster that you know, that's not the answer. That

1779
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 10: may be a decent bridge, but you know, I think

1780
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 10: they have to get some type of optimism and use.

1781
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 5: At that spot.

1782
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 10: And you know, I don't know where Jackson dar goes

1783
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 10: at the moment. I kind of feel like any of

1784
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,839
Speaker 10: this top ten talk feels just like sort of prisoner

1785
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 10: of the moment that like, you know, the desperation. But

1786
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,480
Speaker 10: you know, if you're a quarterback who's not getting projected

1787
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 10: to be picked that you know, top ten, and then

1788
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 10: all of a sudden you're outside the top ten, now

1789
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 10: you're getting thrust up, I just think that's probably overstated.

1790
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 10: I know again, last year, bo Nicks wasn't getting talked

1791
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 10: about anywhere close to the top twelve for the most part,

1792
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 10: but late in the process he was. And you know, again,

1793
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 10: there were already five quarterbacks off the board, and clearly

1794
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 10: Sean Payton saw something at him again, Sean Payton similar

1795
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 10: to Stefanski, like, Okay, if this guy sees a quarterback

1796
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 10: he wants, I'm probably gonna lean into it. So you know,

1797
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 10: if there's one of those quarterback whisperers out there who says, look,

1798
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 10: I really think Jackson darts the guy, so be it.

1799
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 9: But beyond that, I just.

1800
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 10: Think the Giants are if they don't get one of

1801
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 10: the top two guys at three, I just think they're

1802
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 10: going to have to make that move, both for pr

1803
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 10: sense as well as, you know, to get a younger

1804
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 10: guy in that spot.

1805
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 3: By the way, the idea of t mac going to

1806
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: Houston at twenty five to pair up with Christian Kirk

1807
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 3: and potentially returning Tank Dell and Nico Collins, that would

1808
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 3: be for CJ. To have those two big guys on

1809
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 3: the outside would be terrifying. I think for a lot

1810
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 3: of people in the AFC. You do have the Browns

1811
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,759
Speaker 3: coming back in first round trading with the Commanders, believe

1812
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 3: or not to get an offensive lineman to tackle Kelvin

1813
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 3: Banks out of Texas was what was the thinking there.

1814
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, look, obviously, you know Cleveland could go in a

1815
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 10: couple different ways, and I know, Dewan Joneses is there,

1816
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 10: and I know they signed that, you know, ex Commander

1817
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 10: Cornelios Lucas to give some depth. But you know, like

1818
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 10: if you're going to have the quarterback, it isn't just

1819
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 10: enough to say we drafted the guy. You've got to

1820
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 10: be able to protect him. And you know Joneses had

1821
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 10: some injury, so you know, I just you know, if Banks, look,

1822
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 10: not everybody. You know, there's like thirty five players that

1823
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 10: people want to put in the top twenty, right, you

1824
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 10: can't all do that. And in mind I had Banks falling.

1825
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 10: He could go as early to say, maybe eighteen to

1826
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,799
Speaker 10: the Seattle, but here if he's available.

1827
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:54,440
Speaker 9: You know, guy was the award.

1828
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 10: Winning lineman last year. Some people see m as to

1829
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 10: tackle some of the guard. He just felt like, you know,

1830
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 10: you've got up grade that spot or at least maybe

1831
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 10: have a little more uh solid.

1832
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 9: Options than in Jones.

1833
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 10: And you know, look, they they might think he's Dwan

1834
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 10: Jones is the answer, but you know he's had he's

1835
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 10: been harder to stay on the field. So I just

1836
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 10: thought that you know, not you know, to pair the

1837
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 10: quarterback with a you know, one of the better offensive

1838
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 10: linemen and look, I also think that, like I know,

1839
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 10: Cleveland would ass like ten picks this draft. A few

1840
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 10: teams do, and that always sounds like great, keep the picks,

1841
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 10: but you know, this is not considered to be a

1842
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,560
Speaker 10: great draft, and this was not considered to be a

1843
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 10: great year for free agency. And one way to sort

1844
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 10: of maximize your assets is to not hoard the picks

1845
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 10: but trade. You know, trade combined a for you to

1846
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 10: get to get a better player, and this felt like

1847
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 10: a good opportunity for Cleveland to do that. Washington's case,

1848
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 10: they only have five draft picks, so you know, to

1849
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 10: get a little bit extra it would be helpful for

1850
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 10: them as well.

1851
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 4: It certainly would be Ben. This is great stuff.

1852
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm sure what you're getting to do

1853
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 3: now as the senior writer for the Athletic covering the

1854
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,759
Speaker 3: Comanders has got a lot more fun with that team's

1855
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 3: turn around this past year and looking to build on.

1856
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 3: What did you think of the tunsl and Debo acquisitions.

1857
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think, you know, I think they would have

1858
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 10: much preferred to not have to trade a bunch of

1859
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 10: picks away, but the board broke the way it broke.

1860
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 10: You know, when Ronnie Stanley resigned with the Ravens and

1861
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 10: the rest of free agency, there was just nothing there

1862
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 10: at tackle that was particularly interesting. They're picking at twenty

1863
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 10: nine even if like they get an offensive tackle they

1864
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 10: like at the rookie and you know, you got to

1865
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 10: protect Jayden Daniels and you know, this offense is so

1866
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 10: well last year. So I think just making that play

1867
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 10: for Tunsal I think was probably they I think it

1868
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 10: was something that I think they needed to do. And

1869
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 10: with de Boats, it's a you know, it's a flyer.

1870
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 10: It's not a huge risk. Adam Peters watching his GM

1871
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 10: was it with San Frame when they drafted Debo And

1872
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 10: they've just got to hope that you know, they're getting

1873
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 10: the debout that's closer to the you know, playmaking versions

1874
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 10: we saw in the twenty twenty one and twenty three,

1875
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 10: not the guy last year who kind of labored through

1876
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 10: the season and looked like maybe he'd lost the steps.

1877
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 10: So that it's a little bit of a risk, but

1878
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 10: it's not a big expense to do it, and you know,

1879
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 10: hopefully for Jade and Daniels and gives him another weapon

1880
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 10: to play with.

1881
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 3: Indeed, it's gonna be fun times there in Washington. And

1882
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 3: a fan base that, certainly like ours here in Cleveland,

1883
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 3: has has been thirsty for a good football product and

1884
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 3: they certainly get one right now.

1885
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 4: Ben, thank you so much for the time. Appreciate it.

1886
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks so much. Thanks for having me.

1887
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 8: All right.

1888
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 3: That was Ben standy and joined us on the Twisted

1889
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,760
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1890
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1891
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Speaker 7: H m hm.

1899
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 3: M all right, we are wrapping it up on this Monday.

1900
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 3: Potentially a throwing session happening in the gym.

1901
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 4: We will see if that's the case or not.

1902
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 5: G Man's I've been I've tasked him with go get

1903
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 5: me footage posted. There's a lot of big workout days

1904
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 5: happening today, but maybe none bigger than what's.

1905
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 3: Going on, not after he called his quarterback a four

1906
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 3: point five yeah, which is still remain it's still.

1907
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 5: Very very He has a game tonight, that's what are

1908
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 5: you saying?

1909
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, game tonight.

1910
01:29:54,920 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 3: A good ball down there, get one from the from

1911
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 3: the great Guillois.

1912
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 4: All right, I definitely think we can do that.

1913
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 3: I don't even think I don't even think we need

1914
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 3: a reason. All right, So the pro day's happening down

1915
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 3: there by the way, What are we what are we hearing?

1916
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 3: What are we what are we thinking? And right now

1917
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 3: what we're hearing is that, in fact, Andrew Berry is

1918
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 3: not at this pro day. That it is Glenn Cook

1919
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 3: and one of the national scouts for the Cleveland Browns

1920
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 3: that are at this pro day. Now, Glenn is going

1921
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 3: to know the you better than anybody, but it is.

1922
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 3: It is a little bit of a surprise, right I think.

1923
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 3: So have we officially started?

1924
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 5: Do we do? We have an official list? I mean

1925
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 5: I've seen some reports, but I don't know.

1926
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we've seen lots of reports to that effect.

1927
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, the official itinerary. The g man has his hands

1928
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 5: on the official itinerary that says throwing starts at three

1929
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 5: twenty three.

1930
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, but they're not arriant to.

1931
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 5: It doesnet selling anything until four thirty, and it's on

1932
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 5: ACC network and NFL network.

1933
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 4: That's so interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they used to. I mean it was

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Speaker 5: Walden want to be live orders or anchors.

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Speaker 3: It always is. I'm stunned that that's not what's happening here.

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Speaker 5: Maybe because of the time of the day.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe it's very odd, very strange. Indeed,

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Speaker 3: all right, big thanks to our guests here on the show,

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Speaker 3: and great job to the Gibbe and the g Man

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Speaker 3: and everybody who made this all happen. Nick Shook, Charlie

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Speaker 3: Potter and Bed and Standig for joining us on the

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Speaker 3: programs today. It was great, good content. We'll be back

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Speaker 3: with another loaded show for you guys tomorrow, the next

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