WEBVTT - Dead Man's Hand Clutched Fast to Whiskey Bottle 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:05.000 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:06.480 and Mild from Aaron Manky. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.840 Listener Discretion is advised. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:20.600 August seventeenth, eighteen eighty five, The Leroy Times draws a 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.800 sad picture of the Genesee County Almshouse. It says, sixty 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.360 two paupers are huddled together on the third floor, which 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.920 is only high enough directly in the center for a 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:32.120 man to stand erect. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:33.360 There is little. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.360 Ventilation, and the air is foul and sickening, reminding one 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:42.880 of the Black Hole of Calcutta. April fifteenth, eighteen ninety nine, 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.159 Albert Henson, the tramp whose pitiable condition was told in 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:51.919 yesterday's Times, is now at the Genesee County Almshouse. His 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.800 socks were removed for the first time since his feet 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:59.280 were frozen. Large portions of both feet came off today. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:04.920 Remaining portions will be amputated. December fourth, eighteen ninety six, 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:10.399 James Driscoll, an inmate of the Genesee County Almshouse at Bethany, 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.240 cut his throat with a pocket knife and died in 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.440 a few hours. He was ninety seven years old and 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:22.920 was despondent because of failing eyesight. March thirty first, nineteen fifteen, 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.920 dead man's hand clutched fast to whiskey bottle. John Oshman 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.920 fell into a ditch and froze to death on his 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.759 way to the Genesee County Almshouse. It was evident from 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.400 the condition of the man's body that he had frozen 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.840 to death during the night. In one of his hands, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.080 he had a quart bottle about half filled with whiskey. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:48.640 Oashman left the county home Monday afternoon without permission. It 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.960 took me all of thirty minutes of research to find 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.200 these articles referencing the dark history at this location, a 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.920 location now known as Rolling Hill's Asylum, a place I 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.800 have yet to visit, so let's discover it and all 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.760 of its hauntings together. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:16.799 Haunted Road. In East Bethany, New York, an ominous two 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.000 and a half story building looms over Bethany Center Road. 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.839 It's a wide shaped structure, meaning its entrance is set 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.880 further back from the street than its two wings. This 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.079 gives it an appearance like it's reaching forward to grab 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.560 passers by and pull them into its depths. The building 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.920 is made of red brick, and it's in a state 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.040 of disrepair. Many of the windows that form a grid 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:44.359 across its front side are broken. The inside isn't much better. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.160 The long sterile halls are underlit, the walls are bare 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.400 other than their peeling paint. Abandoned objects sits scattered around, 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:57.320 everything from old dolls, crates, and boxes to embalming tables, sinks, 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.480 and two large refrigerators in the morgue. Not too far off, 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.120 the kitchen has its own pair of equally large meat freezers. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.000 This feels like exactly the sort of place you might 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:13.280 picture when you hear the words haunted building, and sure enough, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.360 an eerie sign stands just outside the facility. It reads, 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.440 this asylum is a nationally known center of supernatural activity. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.920 Spirits believed to still roam grounds, crossing between this world 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:31.280 and next. This place is called the Rolling Hills Asylum, 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.080 and it was built in eighteen twenty six to provide 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.560 housing for the poor. At that time, the community of 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.600 East Bethan in New York was growing rapidly and new 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:45.040 residents came pouring in looking for work. Sadly, there wasn't 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.560 much affordable housing for these people, nor could they access 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:53.320 many financial safety nets. At that time, it was common 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.560 for government officials to run poor houses for low or 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.720 no income people, and when the Rolling Hills Asylum opened 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.280 its door in December twenty first, eighteen twenty seven, that's 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:04.960 exactly what it was meant to be. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.160 A poorhouse. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.720 It was also known as either the Genesee County Poorhouse 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.480 or the Genesee County Almshouse. It stood in the center 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.479 of town, and it was supposed to represent a second 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.880 chance for poor and unemployed people, as well as those 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:26.160 with substance abuse disorders, mental health conditions, and physical disabilities. Residents, 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.600 all of whom were dubbed inmates, moved there not only 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.320 for a safe place to live, but to find work. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.440 The poorhouse was also a farm, with inmates raising livestock, 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.960 harvesting crops, or preparing food in the on site cannery 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:44.400 and bakery. The facility also offered schooling to the resident's children. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.960 Sadly we see this so often. The government officials who 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.320 ran the facility had the best of intentions, but due 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.440 to high demand and overcrowding, the poorhouse soon became hellish 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.680 for the inmates. People were packed tightly together and the 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:04.160 staff was stretched thin. It's also possible that the inmates 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.600 were brutally punished whenever they broke the rules. It's hard 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.280 to say for sure, but there are metal loops mounted 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.800 on the walls in the basement. They're the right size 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.080 and shape for manacles. That said, there's no record of 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.160 anyone literally being chained up in the basement. We can 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:23.520 only speculate about their real purpose, even if nobody was 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.239 ever locked up. A local newspaper article from eighteen eighty 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.840 five highlighted how the overcrowding was a public health risk. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.040 The story described how eighteen residents shared a single poorly 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.560 ventilated room, so when one inmate fell sick, it was 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.080 only a matter of time before the illness had circulated 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.680 to all the rest. A year later, in eighteen eighty six, 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.800 a mental health related state agency determined that the facility 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.880 was not meeting their standards. To address their concerns, the 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.920 board of directors passed a new policy, saying that moving forward, 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.200 they'd only house low income residents and those who were 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.400 unemployed due to substance abuse. The inmates who needed mental 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.320 health treatment were transferred to other facilities that were better 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.800 equipped to help them in the short term. This proved 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:12.880 to be a change for the better. After the new 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.880 policy went into effect, the facilities were clean and well maintained. 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.440 I'll also note that the Residents changed its name around 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.760 this time, and went through a number of additional name 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.880 changes afterward, but for simplicity, I'll be referring to it 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:31.880 as the Rolling Hills Asylum for the rest of this episode. Unfortunately, 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.359 only a few decades later, Rolling Hills was once again 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:40.760 dangerously overcrowded. In nineteen thirty six, a deadly typhoid outbreak 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.720 spread among the inmates, killing nine. It was almost impossible 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.960 for the staff to quarantine the sick residence because almost 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.760 every square inch of space was already in use. But 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.560 even after the deadly disease swept through the facility, numerous 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.680 inmates chose to remain at the Rolling Hills Asylum. For 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.440 many of them, it was the only home they'd ever known. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.640 Take the story of Roy Kraus. Reportedly, he stood it 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.839 over seven feet tall. It said this was because he 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.720 had a form of gigantism, but I have not been 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.400 able to verify that claim. I also haven't been able 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.840 to corroborate the rumors that Roy's family considered his large 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.640 size to be an embarrassment, whatever the reason. When he 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.200 was just twelve years old in nineteen oh two, he 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.000 came to live at the asylum, and he remained there 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.280 for the rest of his life until his death at 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.520 age fifty two. Roy loved reading books and listening to 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.800 classical music and opera. Inmates and employees alike found him 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.560 to be kind and gentle, and they soon got used 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.280 to seeing his bulky frame hunched over the books in 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:49.000 the asylum's library, voraciously reading. All to say. For all 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.360 the asylum's flaws, it was a safe space for many. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.240 In the fifties and sixties, it expanded with new wings 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.200 and new housing units, all in an attempt to keep 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.600 up with demand. As time went on, it also changed 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.000 its focus. Instead of functioning as a poorhouse for low 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:10.200 income residents, it became a retirement community for elderly people. 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.360 But the expansions and new additions weren't enough to bring 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.840 the old, crumbling building up to code. The board poured 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:22.080 money into renovations and reconstructions, but a review suggested that 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.200 it would cost another million dollars just to make necessary 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:29.200 updates to keep the facility running. Adjusted for inflation, that 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.880 would be the equivalent of eight million dollars today. Rather 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.320 than spend the money, In nineteen seventy four, it closed 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.280 its doors for good, or at least that was the 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.400 last time it functioned as a housing facility. In the 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.679 nineties and two thousands, the building reopened, now as a 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:49.760 craft shop and antique mall. Interestingly enough, many of the 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.480 abandoned objects that visitors can find in Rolling Hills today, 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.760 the toys, the dolls, and the boxes, date to its 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.600 time as a shopping plaza, rather than its time as 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.840 a house facility. It operated until the mid two thousands, 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.320 and around that time it went through another rebranding. From 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.680 then until this day, Rolling Hills Asylum has marketed itself 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:16.080 as a haunted tour destination. It's been featured on Destination Fear, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:21.319 Ghost Adventures, BuzzFeed Unsolved, and Ghost Hunters. This comes as 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.119 no surprise. The asylum is a hot spot for spectral activity, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.200 so much so that in twenty twenty three, HGTV named 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.960 it the creepiest place in the whole state of New York. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.640 Roy's massive spirit is said to roam the asylum's halls. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.880 Witnesses have often spotted his unusually large handprints on doors, 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.520 windows and tables, and a few visitors have captured a 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.880 hulking seven foot tall figure on camera. He sometimes speaks 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:54.640 to spiritual investigators via EVPs. Just as Roy was known 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.280 to be kind and gentle in life, he's also a 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:01.120 sweet spirit in death. The current owner of Rolling Hills, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.680 Sharon Coyle, has even claimed that Roy helps her keep 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.959 the facility clean and safe. Apparently, one day, Sharon was 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.200 working in the infirmary when a rat scared her badly 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.360 enough that she screamed and ran away. When she returned 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.880 the next day, the rat was dead and a large 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.000 handprint had been left in its blood. Macab as the 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.520 scene was Sharon apparently saw this as a sign that 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.000 Roy wanted her to feel comfortable and safe in the asylum. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.560 This was his way of handling pest control. Presumably, another 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.080 spirit named Hattie seems to dwell in her former bedroom 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.720 on the first floor in the East wing. The ghost 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.280 is said to be a poor, blind woman who died 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.520 in the facility in nineteen seventy after living there as 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.920 a low income resident, but this is impossible because the 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.360 Rolling Hills Asylum wasn't functioning as a poorhouse in nineteen 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.800 seventy that said it was a care home for the 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.360 elderly at that time, and a resident named Hattie Sperry 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.280 passed away on site that she was eighty seven years old. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.360 Whatever her history may be, Hattie seems to be friendly. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.360 Anyone who walks past her room will be greeted with 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.640 a cheerful hello, even if the space appears to be 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:17.719 totally empty. A man named George Fleming reportedly haunts a 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.200 room in the same wing, but on the third floor. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.960 Dale Kasmarak of the Ghost Research Society wrote that George 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.080 once worked at Rolling Hills as a superintendent. He and 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.800 his wife lived there until his death at age seventy 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:34.280 five in nineteen forty one. Before he passed, George reportedly 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.640 suffered a series of strokes that left him unable to speak. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.520 That's likely why these days his ghost doesn't talk. It 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.160 growls at the people who pass. Unsettling as the sound 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.520 may seem, most believe George isn't trying to scare visitors. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.400 He only means to greet them. Other specters are just 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.400 as frightening, but they do appear to have more malicious intentions. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.800 One such spirit is known as either Nurse Emma or 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.599 no Nurse Emmy. Supposedly she used to work at the asylum, 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.680 performing black magic by night and torturing patients by day, 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.960 but there's no record of any former employee going. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:11.400 By that name. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.040 Wherever she came from, Nurse Emmy might still dabble in 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.240 the dark arts. According to an article in The Democrat 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:22.160 and Chronicle, on at least one occasion, Emmy's old coven 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:26.200 broke into Rolling Hills. They presumably wanted to perform more 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.680 spells with her. The next morning, the facilities owner came 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.200 inside to find pentagrams drawn on the floor. Apparently the 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:37.480 spellcasters also left candlewax and piles of rocks behind. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:39.640 I don't know about that. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.800 The ghost known as Nurse Emmy is also known to 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.719 make eerie noises and to slam doors. She can be aggressive, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:52.319 physically attacking or groping male visitors. These encounters frequently happen 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.040 in a room on the top floor. It's believed to 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.640 be her former room. Bad as Nurse Emmy might sound, 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.600 the spirit known as Race may be worse. Rumor goes 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.520 that in life he was a sexual predator who lived 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.080 at Rolling Hills and targeted little girls in death, he's 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:14.079 still aggressive and sexually inappropriate with female visitors. The book 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:18.920 Haunted Hospitals Eerie Tales about hospitals, sanatoriums, and other institutions 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.360 by Mark Leslie and Ronda Parrish described one person's encounter 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.280 with Raymond. Apparently, she stepped into a hallway only for 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.640 an unseen attacker to fling a block of wood right 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.240 at her head. Raymond is said to be especially active 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.720 in the basement, which is also purportedly where he abused 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.080 his victims when he was alive. People who venture down 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.880 the stairs often feel a malicious presence there. The negative 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.600 energy is sometimes so strong that sensitive guests can become 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:53.640 physically ill. Other basement visitors report that some invisible force 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.080 is hitting or shoving them. There are also hot spots 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.480 in one of the bathrooms, in the second floor of 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.720 the East winds, in the chapel, and in the men's dormitory. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.480 The latter is where visitors can see the so called 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:11.320 shadow Hallway. In this corridor, countless shadow figures appear, looking 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:15.560 like solid individuals or cloudy hazes. They move around in 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.080 a frenzy, going through doors, crawling across the floor, and 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:23.240 peeking at guests around corners, but if they notice that 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.040 anyone is watching them, they'll move toward that person. Some 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:31.120 people find this so overwhelming that they break into tears. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.040 That said, few of the asylum's rooms are quite as 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:39.280 unnerving as the morgue. See. Rumor goes that at one point, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.880 a wave of tuberculosis swept through the facility. So many 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.080 patients died that the morgue ran out of places to 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.840 store the bodies, so the staffers borrowed a pair of 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.840 meat freezers from the kitchen, which was nearby, and stashed 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.280 the remains in them. That said, there's no record of 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.640 any mass tuberculos's outbreak Rolling Hills. There was a typhoid outbreak, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.400 as I mentioned earlier, but it predated the construction of 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.280 both the morgue and the kitchen with the large freezers, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.800 so it's safe to say that this stories of bodies 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.800 in the freezer is most likely an urban legend. But 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.880 even still, the morgue is very active in terms of 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:23.440 spiritual activity. Items often move around on their own, as 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.720 though an invisible person is throwing them across the room. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.600 As a whole, the Rolling Hills Asylum is also filled 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:36.000 with disembodied screams and unidentifiable noises. Furnitures and doors move 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.840 on their own, and guests capture inexplicable figures when they 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:44.040 take pictures of seemingly empty rooms. I wanted to hear 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.600 more about these restless spirits, and as I said before, 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.560 I've never visited Rolling Hills, so I figured the best 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.400 person to speak with would be share and Coyle, the 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.920 current owner, and that is coming up after the break. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.480 So I am now joined by the lovely Sharon Coyle, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.360 and we were chatting a bit before recording. We go 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:19.440 way back, Like I remember you from California, Like right, am, 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:20.080 I right. 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.240 You're absolutely right. I was living in Huntington Beach and 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:27.680 I had a private group, a Private Team Journey Paranormal Society, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:29.800 and it was two other girls and myself and we 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:33.080 do home investigations. And then I had started a meetup 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.240 group called Start the Journey, a paranormal meetup group on meetup, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.560 and it ended up being when I left, I had 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.480 like almost five hundred people in it, from San Diego 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.200 to Sacramento. At the time, it was the largest paranormal 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:48.280 meetup group in the state. So it was pretty cool. Yeah. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.280 Yeah, because I remembered your face and I when I 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.240 was like scheduling this and I've seen your name a 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.360 few times, and I was thinking, I think she goes 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.400 way way back, like before I was ever on ghost 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.960 Hunters or anything. I feel like I know this woman. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.000 So I'm glad to know that my memory is somewhat intact. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.480 Yeah. Yeah, No, I used to do the Queen Mary 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:07.960 a lot, and I think I ran to each other 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:09.000 there quite a bit. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.960 Yeah, I love that. Well that's so fun. Now talk 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.320 about culture shock though. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.920 Now you're you know, you're in New York. So how 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.200 did this happen? How did you go from Huntington Beach 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.440 to buying Rolling Hills Asylum. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.280 Well, it's funny, and we mentioned this off air a 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.680 second ago. I actually used to, you know, go to 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.640 alat of the Dave Schrader events, and Dave was doing 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.560 an event out here on June twelfth, Friday, the thirteenth 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.359 and fourteenth of two thousand and eight, and this was 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.679 on my bucket list. So I came out for the 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.320 event and had three incredible nights of activity and I 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.360 got a lot of different bits of evidence full body apparitions, 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.800 you know, class aavps all that kind of stuff, and 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.960 then went back to California and you know, clicked it 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.639 off my bucket list, and then i'd ever come back 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.480 to western New York because honestly, I was living on 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.879 Mouth of the Beaches, you know, Huntington Beach. And then 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.040 I grew up in New Hampshire, in a town very 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.280 so much where Rolling Hills is. I hate the snow 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.639 and I'm looking at it right now. It's horrible out. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.359 I hate the snow too, you know, and I just 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.520 I had no thought of every moving back to that 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.600 kind of environment. But in the spring of nine, I 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.560 got a phone call from someone back here who is like, 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.040 oh my god, you're not gonna believe what's happening. Rolling 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:22.840 Hills is closing. We don't know what's going to get 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.080 torn down. And honestly, I thought she was kidding, you know, 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.560 because in my mind it was a historical property. They're 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.320 not going to tear down historical property. You know. I 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.480 didn't get it, and I kept trying to change this 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:34.879 stuff doing tell her all the cool things I was 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.880 doing at the time, and she's getting me angry at me, honestly, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.560 and so finally I realized she's not joking, and I 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.760 started crying. I'm like, oh my god, it's gonna happen 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.080 to the property. What's gonna happen to the spirits is 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.080 so intelligent? And I was married at the time, and 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.240 I called my husband at work and I'm crying. He goes, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.520 are you in a car accident? I'm like, no, no, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.280 rowing hills is good. Close. He goes, really, you're bothering me. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.480 Now click, you know I'm working, and he comes. He goes, 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.600 you know, we were thinking about a lifestyle change. Why 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.680 didn't you go and take a look at it. So 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.280 I flew out that was probably like in May of nine, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.840 and it didn't look anything like what I remembered being 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.359 at at the Strader event. Because, as you know, a 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.520 lot of these events, you only go to a few 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.760 locations and a property. You don't always see everything, and 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.919 it's dark. And so when I came back and I 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.280 looked at the property, I realized, you know, what was 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.919 going on here? It was just way overpriced and there 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.120 was just too much work to be had. But for 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.119 some reason I could not let go of trying to 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.480 buy this property. I was like a dog with a bone. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:40.280 It was ridiculous and they had wanted too much money. 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.640 I kept calling about it and find it was going 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.320 up for auction October twenty fifth, and my birthday was 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.320 the twenty sixth. So my husband goes, why don't you 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.320 go out. You have it free airfare, So go out 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.359 see what happens. And I came out, but the bank 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.840 was owed a ton of money. They kept bidding against me, 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.560 and you can't get comps on an asylum, can't, you know, 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.639 pull up the real estate listings and say, okay, this 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.760 war humps in a five mile radius, and you know, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.320 we'll give you this much money for your loan. So 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.119 I walked out because I had no more money. I mean, 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.040 it just wasn't gonna happen. And then they ended up 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:13.680 calling me. I think they realized I was the only 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:15.840 idiot who showed up and they didn't really want the 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.959 White Elephant, you know. So that's how I ended up here. 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.879 I came out with one suitcase after buying it. In 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.600 the spring of twenty ten, I had lined up a 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.119 movie with the Booth Brothers, which I associate produced with 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.600 them and did some casting on it and such, and 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.200 so that was fun. It was the Exorcist file also 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.320 called the Haunted Boy, and I had ghost adventures lined 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.639 up the next week and it's been off and running 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.879 ever since. So the thing is, I was out here 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:44.560 and when I first got here, all the pipes had 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.000 burst in the house, and the bank didn't do they 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:48.680 were supposed to do to all this stuff, and I 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.520 kept calling my husband because I didn't know what to do. 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.840 You know, I lived at a townhouse. You call up 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.120 and say, hey, turn on the water, you know. So 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.880 I'm calling him. He's not calling me back, And after 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.359 about i don't know, a couple three weeks, he finally 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:01.760 calls me back and says, I don't want to be 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:03.400 married to you anymore. Good luck with the ones whoit 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:03.920 case click. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.040 So oh my goodness. 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.040 Yeah. So I've been out here for fifteen years, so 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.480 loo Obviously I've met a lot of people that have 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.399 given me a lot of helpy hands over the years. 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.919 But it was just the first couple of years amy 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.800 I didn't know which end was up. I wasn't sleeping, 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.600 I was working literally twenty hour days, and I was 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.600 a mess. I was a wreck. It was a really 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.919 hard time. I'm grateful for a lot of people that 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.240 have that met along the way I'm gonna cry. I 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.600 get really emotional, but I stop to think about it 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.400 because it's been it's been quite the journey. 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.480 Really, I can only imagine. 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.960 I mean, I feel like, you know, it's one of 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.199 those things where in the moment when it's happening and 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:52.320 everything is kind of going down, it probably just seemed. 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.200 Like the end of the world on multiple occasions. 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.800 And but for some reason, like I feel like, you know, 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.080 and I think you agree, you were meant to be 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.840 there in some way. It's just there's too many little 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:09.240 synchronicities and coincidences, like you were meant to save that location, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.439 and for all of the hardships that you've been through, 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:15.560 you know, I think at the end of the day, 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.560 it's that it has to be that satisfaction of kind 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:19.720 of what you've done there. 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:21.440 So I imagine that's what keeps you going. 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:25.800 I just I'm getting older and I feel like I 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.080 don't have enough time to get everything done that I 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:31.080 want to get done. And it's you know, it's this 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.680 place is like an onion. You start one thing, it's 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.080 the bloom an onion. You know, you start one thing 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.119