Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm
Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky.
Speaker 2: Listener Discretion is advised.
Speaker 1: August seventeenth, eighteen eighty five, The Leroy Times draws a
Speaker 1: sad picture of the Genesee County Almshouse. It says, sixty
Speaker 1: two paupers are huddled together on the third floor, which
Speaker 1: is only high enough directly in the center for a
Speaker 1: man to stand erect.
Speaker 2: There is little.
Speaker 1: Ventilation, and the air is foul and sickening, reminding one
Speaker 1: of the Black Hole of Calcutta. April fifteenth, eighteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: Albert Henson, the tramp whose pitiable condition was told in
Speaker 1: yesterday's Times, is now at the Genesee County Almshouse. His
Speaker 1: socks were removed for the first time since his feet
Speaker 1: were frozen. Large portions of both feet came off today.
Speaker 1: Remaining portions will be amputated. December fourth, eighteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: James Driscoll, an inmate of the Genesee County Almshouse at Bethany,
Speaker 1: cut his throat with a pocket knife and died in
Speaker 1: a few hours. He was ninety seven years old and
Speaker 1: was despondent because of failing eyesight. March thirty first, nineteen fifteen,
Speaker 1: dead man's hand clutched fast to whiskey bottle. John Oshman
Speaker 1: fell into a ditch and froze to death on his
Speaker 1: way to the Genesee County Almshouse. It was evident from
Speaker 1: the condition of the man's body that he had frozen
Speaker 1: to death during the night. In one of his hands,
Speaker 1: he had a quart bottle about half filled with whiskey.
Speaker 1: Oashman left the county home Monday afternoon without permission. It
Speaker 1: took me all of thirty minutes of research to find
Speaker 1: these articles referencing the dark history at this location, a
Speaker 1: location now known as Rolling Hill's Asylum, a place I
Speaker 1: have yet to visit, so let's discover it and all
Speaker 1: of its hauntings together. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is
Speaker 1: Haunted Road. In East Bethany, New York, an ominous two
Speaker 1: and a half story building looms over Bethany Center Road.
Speaker 1: It's a wide shaped structure, meaning its entrance is set
Speaker 1: further back from the street than its two wings. This
Speaker 1: gives it an appearance like it's reaching forward to grab
Speaker 1: passers by and pull them into its depths. The building
Speaker 1: is made of red brick, and it's in a state
Speaker 1: of disrepair. Many of the windows that form a grid
Speaker 1: across its front side are broken. The inside isn't much better.
Speaker 1: The long sterile halls are underlit, the walls are bare
Speaker 1: other than their peeling paint. Abandoned objects sits scattered around,
Speaker 1: everything from old dolls, crates, and boxes to embalming tables, sinks,
Speaker 1: and two large refrigerators in the morgue. Not too far off,
Speaker 1: the kitchen has its own pair of equally large meat freezers.
Speaker 1: This feels like exactly the sort of place you might
Speaker 1: picture when you hear the words haunted building, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: an eerie sign stands just outside the facility. It reads,
Speaker 1: this asylum is a nationally known center of supernatural activity.
Speaker 1: Spirits believed to still roam grounds, crossing between this world
Speaker 1: and next. This place is called the Rolling Hills Asylum,
Speaker 1: and it was built in eighteen twenty six to provide
Speaker 1: housing for the poor. At that time, the community of
Speaker 1: East Bethan in New York was growing rapidly and new
Speaker 1: residents came pouring in looking for work. Sadly, there wasn't
Speaker 1: much affordable housing for these people, nor could they access
Speaker 1: many financial safety nets. At that time, it was common
Speaker 1: for government officials to run poor houses for low or
Speaker 1: no income people, and when the Rolling Hills Asylum opened
Speaker 1: its door in December twenty first, eighteen twenty seven, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what it was meant to be.
Speaker 2: A poorhouse.
Speaker 1: It was also known as either the Genesee County Poorhouse
Speaker 1: or the Genesee County Almshouse. It stood in the center
Speaker 1: of town, and it was supposed to represent a second
Speaker 1: chance for poor and unemployed people, as well as those
Speaker 1: with substance abuse disorders, mental health conditions, and physical disabilities. Residents,
Speaker 1: all of whom were dubbed inmates, moved there not only
Speaker 1: for a safe place to live, but to find work.
Speaker 1: The poorhouse was also a farm, with inmates raising livestock,
Speaker 1: harvesting crops, or preparing food in the on site cannery
Speaker 1: and bakery. The facility also offered schooling to the resident's children.
Speaker 1: Sadly we see this so often. The government officials who
Speaker 1: ran the facility had the best of intentions, but due
Speaker 1: to high demand and overcrowding, the poorhouse soon became hellish
Speaker 1: for the inmates. People were packed tightly together and the
Speaker 1: staff was stretched thin. It's also possible that the inmates
Speaker 1: were brutally punished whenever they broke the rules. It's hard
Speaker 1: to say for sure, but there are metal loops mounted
Speaker 1: on the walls in the basement. They're the right size
Speaker 1: and shape for manacles. That said, there's no record of
Speaker 1: anyone literally being chained up in the basement. We can
Speaker 1: only speculate about their real purpose, even if nobody was
Speaker 1: ever locked up. A local newspaper article from eighteen eighty
Speaker 1: five highlighted how the overcrowding was a public health risk.
Speaker 1: The story described how eighteen residents shared a single poorly
Speaker 1: ventilated room, so when one inmate fell sick, it was
Speaker 1: only a matter of time before the illness had circulated
Speaker 1: to all the rest. A year later, in eighteen eighty six,
Speaker 1: a mental health related state agency determined that the facility
Speaker 1: was not meeting their standards. To address their concerns, the
Speaker 1: board of directors passed a new policy, saying that moving forward,
Speaker 1: they'd only house low income residents and those who were
Speaker 1: unemployed due to substance abuse. The inmates who needed mental
Speaker 1: health treatment were transferred to other facilities that were better
Speaker 1: equipped to help them in the short term. This proved
Speaker 1: to be a change for the better. After the new
Speaker 1: policy went into effect, the facilities were clean and well maintained.
Speaker 1: I'll also note that the Residents changed its name around
Speaker 1: this time, and went through a number of additional name
Speaker 1: changes afterward, but for simplicity, I'll be referring to it
Speaker 1: as the Rolling Hills Asylum for the rest of this episode. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: only a few decades later, Rolling Hills was once again
Speaker 1: dangerously overcrowded. In nineteen thirty six, a deadly typhoid outbreak
Speaker 1: spread among the inmates, killing nine. It was almost impossible
Speaker 1: for the staff to quarantine the sick residence because almost
Speaker 1: every square inch of space was already in use. But
Speaker 1: even after the deadly disease swept through the facility, numerous
Speaker 1: inmates chose to remain at the Rolling Hills Asylum. For
Speaker 1: many of them, it was the only home they'd ever known.
Speaker 1: Take the story of Roy Kraus. Reportedly, he stood it
Speaker 1: over seven feet tall. It said this was because he
Speaker 1: had a form of gigantism, but I have not been
Speaker 1: able to verify that claim. I also haven't been able
Speaker 1: to corroborate the rumors that Roy's family considered his large
Speaker 1: size to be an embarrassment, whatever the reason. When he
Speaker 1: was just twelve years old in nineteen oh two, he
Speaker 1: came to live at the asylum, and he remained there
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life until his death at
Speaker 1: age fifty two. Roy loved reading books and listening to
Speaker 1: classical music and opera. Inmates and employees alike found him
Speaker 1: to be kind and gentle, and they soon got used
Speaker 1: to seeing his bulky frame hunched over the books in
Speaker 1: the asylum's library, voraciously reading. All to say. For all
Speaker 1: the asylum's flaws, it was a safe space for many.
Speaker 1: In the fifties and sixties, it expanded with new wings
Speaker 1: and new housing units, all in an attempt to keep
Speaker 1: up with demand. As time went on, it also changed
Speaker 1: its focus. Instead of functioning as a poorhouse for low
Speaker 1: income residents, it became a retirement community for elderly people.
Speaker 1: But the expansions and new additions weren't enough to bring
Speaker 1: the old, crumbling building up to code. The board poured
Speaker 1: money into renovations and reconstructions, but a review suggested that
Speaker 1: it would cost another million dollars just to make necessary
Speaker 1: updates to keep the facility running. Adjusted for inflation, that
Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of eight million dollars today. Rather
Speaker 1: than spend the money, In nineteen seventy four, it closed
Speaker 1: its doors for good, or at least that was the
Speaker 1: last time it functioned as a housing facility. In the
Speaker 1: nineties and two thousands, the building reopened, now as a
Speaker 1: craft shop and antique mall. Interestingly enough, many of the
Speaker 1: abandoned objects that visitors can find in Rolling Hills today,
Speaker 1: the toys, the dolls, and the boxes, date to its
Speaker 1: time as a shopping plaza, rather than its time as
Speaker 1: a house facility. It operated until the mid two thousands,
Speaker 1: and around that time it went through another rebranding. From
Speaker 1: then until this day, Rolling Hills Asylum has marketed itself
Speaker 1: as a haunted tour destination. It's been featured on Destination Fear,
Speaker 1: Ghost Adventures, BuzzFeed Unsolved, and Ghost Hunters. This comes as
Speaker 1: no surprise. The asylum is a hot spot for spectral activity,
Speaker 1: so much so that in twenty twenty three, HGTV named
Speaker 1: it the creepiest place in the whole state of New York.
Speaker 1: Roy's massive spirit is said to roam the asylum's halls.
Speaker 1: Witnesses have often spotted his unusually large handprints on doors,
Speaker 1: windows and tables, and a few visitors have captured a
Speaker 1: hulking seven foot tall figure on camera. He sometimes speaks
Speaker 1: to spiritual investigators via EVPs. Just as Roy was known
Speaker 1: to be kind and gentle in life, he's also a
Speaker 1: sweet spirit in death. The current owner of Rolling Hills,
Speaker 1: Sharon Coyle, has even claimed that Roy helps her keep
Speaker 1: the facility clean and safe. Apparently, one day, Sharon was
Speaker 1: working in the infirmary when a rat scared her badly
Speaker 1: enough that she screamed and ran away. When she returned
Speaker 1: the next day, the rat was dead and a large
Speaker 1: handprint had been left in its blood. Macab as the
Speaker 1: scene was Sharon apparently saw this as a sign that
Speaker 1: Roy wanted her to feel comfortable and safe in the asylum.
Speaker 1: This was his way of handling pest control. Presumably, another
Speaker 1: spirit named Hattie seems to dwell in her former bedroom
Speaker 1: on the first floor in the East wing. The ghost
Speaker 1: is said to be a poor, blind woman who died
Speaker 1: in the facility in nineteen seventy after living there as
Speaker 1: a low income resident, but this is impossible because the
Speaker 1: Rolling Hills Asylum wasn't functioning as a poorhouse in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy that said it was a care home for the
Speaker 1: elderly at that time, and a resident named Hattie Sperry
Speaker 1: passed away on site that she was eighty seven years old.
Speaker 1: Whatever her history may be, Hattie seems to be friendly.
Speaker 1: Anyone who walks past her room will be greeted with
Speaker 1: a cheerful hello, even if the space appears to be
Speaker 1: totally empty. A man named George Fleming reportedly haunts a
Speaker 1: room in the same wing, but on the third floor.
Speaker 1: Dale Kasmarak of the Ghost Research Society wrote that George
Speaker 1: once worked at Rolling Hills as a superintendent. He and
Speaker 1: his wife lived there until his death at age seventy
Speaker 1: five in nineteen forty one. Before he passed, George reportedly
Speaker 1: suffered a series of strokes that left him unable to speak.
Speaker 1: That's likely why these days his ghost doesn't talk. It
Speaker 1: growls at the people who pass. Unsettling as the sound
Speaker 1: may seem, most believe George isn't trying to scare visitors.
Speaker 1: He only means to greet them. Other specters are just
Speaker 1: as frightening, but they do appear to have more malicious intentions.
Speaker 1: One such spirit is known as either Nurse Emma or
Speaker 1: no Nurse Emmy. Supposedly she used to work at the asylum,
Speaker 1: performing black magic by night and torturing patients by day,
Speaker 1: but there's no record of any former employee going.
Speaker 2: By that name.
Speaker 1: Wherever she came from, Nurse Emmy might still dabble in
Speaker 1: the dark arts. According to an article in The Democrat
Speaker 1: and Chronicle, on at least one occasion, Emmy's old coven
Speaker 1: broke into Rolling Hills. They presumably wanted to perform more
Speaker 1: spells with her. The next morning, the facilities owner came
Speaker 1: inside to find pentagrams drawn on the floor. Apparently the
Speaker 1: spellcasters also left candlewax and piles of rocks behind.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: The ghost known as Nurse Emmy is also known to
Speaker 1: make eerie noises and to slam doors. She can be aggressive,
Speaker 1: physically attacking or groping male visitors. These encounters frequently happen
Speaker 1: in a room on the top floor. It's believed to
Speaker 1: be her former room. Bad as Nurse Emmy might sound,
Speaker 1: the spirit known as Race may be worse. Rumor goes
Speaker 1: that in life he was a sexual predator who lived
Speaker 1: at Rolling Hills and targeted little girls in death, he's
Speaker 1: still aggressive and sexually inappropriate with female visitors. The book
Speaker 1: Haunted Hospitals Eerie Tales about hospitals, sanatoriums, and other institutions
Speaker 1: by Mark Leslie and Ronda Parrish described one person's encounter
Speaker 1: with Raymond. Apparently, she stepped into a hallway only for
Speaker 1: an unseen attacker to fling a block of wood right
Speaker 1: at her head. Raymond is said to be especially active
Speaker 1: in the basement, which is also purportedly where he abused
Speaker 1: his victims when he was alive. People who venture down
Speaker 1: the stairs often feel a malicious presence there. The negative
Speaker 1: energy is sometimes so strong that sensitive guests can become
Speaker 1: physically ill. Other basement visitors report that some invisible force
Speaker 1: is hitting or shoving them. There are also hot spots
Speaker 1: in one of the bathrooms, in the second floor of
Speaker 1: the East winds, in the chapel, and in the men's dormitory.
Speaker 1: The latter is where visitors can see the so called
Speaker 1: shadow Hallway. In this corridor, countless shadow figures appear, looking
Speaker 1: like solid individuals or cloudy hazes. They move around in
Speaker 1: a frenzy, going through doors, crawling across the floor, and
Speaker 1: peeking at guests around corners, but if they notice that
Speaker 1: anyone is watching them, they'll move toward that person. Some
Speaker 1: people find this so overwhelming that they break into tears.
Speaker 1: That said, few of the asylum's rooms are quite as
Speaker 1: unnerving as the morgue. See. Rumor goes that at one point,
Speaker 1: a wave of tuberculosis swept through the facility. So many
Speaker 1: patients died that the morgue ran out of places to
Speaker 1: store the bodies, so the staffers borrowed a pair of
Speaker 1: meat freezers from the kitchen, which was nearby, and stashed
Speaker 1: the remains in them. That said, there's no record of
Speaker 1: any mass tuberculos's outbreak Rolling Hills. There was a typhoid outbreak,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, but it predated the construction of
Speaker 1: both the morgue and the kitchen with the large freezers,
Speaker 1: so it's safe to say that this stories of bodies
Speaker 1: in the freezer is most likely an urban legend. But
Speaker 1: even still, the morgue is very active in terms of
Speaker 1: spiritual activity. Items often move around on their own, as
Speaker 1: though an invisible person is throwing them across the room.
Speaker 1: As a whole, the Rolling Hills Asylum is also filled
Speaker 1: with disembodied screams and unidentifiable noises. Furnitures and doors move
Speaker 1: on their own, and guests capture inexplicable figures when they
Speaker 1: take pictures of seemingly empty rooms. I wanted to hear
Speaker 1: more about these restless spirits, and as I said before,
Speaker 1: I've never visited Rolling Hills, so I figured the best
Speaker 1: person to speak with would be share and Coyle, the
Speaker 1: current owner, and that is coming up after the break.
Speaker 1: So I am now joined by the lovely Sharon Coyle,
Speaker 1: and we were chatting a bit before recording. We go
Speaker 1: way back, Like I remember you from California, Like right, am,
Speaker 1: I right.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. I was living in Huntington Beach and
Speaker 3: I had a private group, a Private Team Journey Paranormal Society,
Speaker 3: and it was two other girls and myself and we
Speaker 3: do home investigations. And then I had started a meetup
Speaker 3: group called Start the Journey, a paranormal meetup group on meetup,
Speaker 3: and it ended up being when I left, I had
Speaker 3: like almost five hundred people in it, from San Diego
Speaker 3: to Sacramento. At the time, it was the largest paranormal
Speaker 3: meetup group in the state. So it was pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remembered your face and I when I
Speaker 1: was like scheduling this and I've seen your name a
Speaker 1: few times, and I was thinking, I think she goes
Speaker 1: way way back, like before I was ever on ghost
Speaker 1: Hunters or anything. I feel like I know this woman.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad to know that my memory is somewhat intact.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, No, I used to do the Queen Mary
Speaker 3: a lot, and I think I ran to each other
Speaker 3: there quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. Well that's so fun. Now talk
Speaker 2: about culture shock though.
Speaker 1: Now you're you know, you're in New York. So how
Speaker 1: did this happen? How did you go from Huntington Beach
Speaker 1: to buying Rolling Hills Asylum.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny, and we mentioned this off air a
Speaker 3: second ago. I actually used to, you know, go to
Speaker 3: alat of the Dave Schrader events, and Dave was doing
Speaker 3: an event out here on June twelfth, Friday, the thirteenth
Speaker 3: and fourteenth of two thousand and eight, and this was
Speaker 3: on my bucket list. So I came out for the
Speaker 3: event and had three incredible nights of activity and I
Speaker 3: got a lot of different bits of evidence full body apparitions,
Speaker 3: you know, class aavps all that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 3: then went back to California and you know, clicked it
Speaker 3: off my bucket list, and then i'd ever come back
Speaker 3: to western New York because honestly, I was living on
Speaker 3: Mouth of the Beaches, you know, Huntington Beach. And then
Speaker 3: I grew up in New Hampshire, in a town very
Speaker 3: so much where Rolling Hills is. I hate the snow
Speaker 3: and I'm looking at it right now. It's horrible out.
Speaker 3: I hate the snow too, you know, and I just
Speaker 3: I had no thought of every moving back to that
Speaker 3: kind of environment. But in the spring of nine, I
Speaker 3: got a phone call from someone back here who is like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you're not gonna believe what's happening. Rolling
Speaker 3: Hills is closing. We don't know what's going to get
Speaker 3: torn down. And honestly, I thought she was kidding, you know,
Speaker 3: because in my mind it was a historical property. They're
Speaker 3: not going to tear down historical property. You know. I
Speaker 3: didn't get it, and I kept trying to change this
Speaker 3: stuff doing tell her all the cool things I was
Speaker 3: doing at the time, and she's getting me angry at me, honestly,
Speaker 3: and so finally I realized she's not joking, and I
Speaker 3: started crying. I'm like, oh my god, it's gonna happen
Speaker 3: to the property. What's gonna happen to the spirits is
Speaker 3: so intelligent? And I was married at the time, and
Speaker 3: I called my husband at work and I'm crying. He goes,
Speaker 3: are you in a car accident? I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 3: rowing hills is good. Close. He goes, really, you're bothering me.
Speaker 3: Now click, you know I'm working, and he comes. He goes,
Speaker 3: you know, we were thinking about a lifestyle change. Why
Speaker 3: didn't you go and take a look at it. So
Speaker 3: I flew out that was probably like in May of nine,
Speaker 3: and it didn't look anything like what I remembered being
Speaker 3: at at the Strader event. Because, as you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of these events, you only go to a few
Speaker 3: locations and a property. You don't always see everything, and
Speaker 3: it's dark. And so when I came back and I
Speaker 3: looked at the property, I realized, you know, what was
Speaker 3: going on here? It was just way overpriced and there
Speaker 3: was just too much work to be had. But for
Speaker 3: some reason I could not let go of trying to
Speaker 3: buy this property. I was like a dog with a bone.
Speaker 3: It was ridiculous and they had wanted too much money.
Speaker 3: I kept calling about it and find it was going
Speaker 3: up for auction October twenty fifth, and my birthday was
Speaker 3: the twenty sixth. So my husband goes, why don't you
Speaker 3: go out. You have it free airfare, So go out
Speaker 3: see what happens. And I came out, but the bank
Speaker 3: was owed a ton of money. They kept bidding against me,
Speaker 3: and you can't get comps on an asylum, can't, you know,
Speaker 3: pull up the real estate listings and say, okay, this
Speaker 3: war humps in a five mile radius, and you know,
Speaker 3: we'll give you this much money for your loan. So
Speaker 3: I walked out because I had no more money. I mean,
Speaker 3: it just wasn't gonna happen. And then they ended up
Speaker 3: calling me. I think they realized I was the only
Speaker 3: idiot who showed up and they didn't really want the
Speaker 3: White Elephant, you know. So that's how I ended up here.
Speaker 3: I came out with one suitcase after buying it. In
Speaker 3: the spring of twenty ten, I had lined up a
Speaker 3: movie with the Booth Brothers, which I associate produced with
Speaker 3: them and did some casting on it and such, and
Speaker 3: so that was fun. It was the Exorcist file also
Speaker 3: called the Haunted Boy, and I had ghost adventures lined
Speaker 3: up the next week and it's been off and running
Speaker 3: ever since. So the thing is, I was out here
Speaker 3: and when I first got here, all the pipes had
Speaker 3: burst in the house, and the bank didn't do they
Speaker 3: were supposed to do to all this stuff, and I
Speaker 3: kept calling my husband because I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3: You know, I lived at a townhouse. You call up
Speaker 3: and say, hey, turn on the water, you know. So
Speaker 3: I'm calling him. He's not calling me back, And after
Speaker 3: about i don't know, a couple three weeks, he finally
Speaker 3: calls me back and says, I don't want to be
Speaker 3: married to you anymore. Good luck with the ones whoit
Speaker 3: case click.
Speaker 2: So oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I've been out here for fifteen years, so
Speaker 3: loo Obviously I've met a lot of people that have
Speaker 3: given me a lot of helpy hands over the years.
Speaker 3: But it was just the first couple of years amy
Speaker 3: I didn't know which end was up. I wasn't sleeping,
Speaker 3: I was working literally twenty hour days, and I was
Speaker 3: a mess. I was a wreck. It was a really
Speaker 3: hard time. I'm grateful for a lot of people that
Speaker 3: have that met along the way I'm gonna cry. I
Speaker 3: get really emotional, but I stop to think about it
Speaker 3: because it's been it's been quite the journey.
Speaker 2: Really, I can only imagine.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, you know, it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where in the moment when it's happening and
Speaker 1: everything is kind of going down, it probably just seemed.
Speaker 2: Like the end of the world on multiple occasions.
Speaker 1: And but for some reason, like I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think you agree, you were meant to be
Speaker 1: there in some way. It's just there's too many little
Speaker 1: synchronicities and coincidences, like you were meant to save that location,
Speaker 1: and for all of the hardships that you've been through,
Speaker 1: you know, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's that it has to be that satisfaction of kind
Speaker 1: of what you've done there.
Speaker 2: So I imagine that's what keeps you going.
Speaker 3: I just I'm getting older and I feel like I
Speaker 3: don't have enough time to get everything done that I
Speaker 3: want to get done. And it's you know, it's this
Speaker 3: place is like an onion. You start one thing, it's
Speaker 3: the bloom an onion. You know, you start one thing
Speaker 3: and then there's seventeen other layers that pop up that
Speaker 3: you have to address before you want to go and
Speaker 3: do the first thing you really try to tackle. So
Speaker 3: it's it's it's really constant. It's crazy. I don't want
Speaker 3: to be anywhere else. I'm not complaining. I'm not. If
Speaker 3: I did, you know, obviously, I would sell the place.
Speaker 3: I mean, I am supposed to be here. It's just
Speaker 3: people ask me all the time, Oh, you know, what
Speaker 3: do you think? Do you think I should buy a
Speaker 3: haunted location? Autely not? I mean, at least not something
Speaker 3: of this scope. Buy it in, buy a tower and
Speaker 3: you know, buy something that's yeahtible, don't buy a sixty
Speaker 3: thousand square foot property. You know it's by your side.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I often daydream about owning a location
Speaker 1: like that, obviously, and I'm in them all the time.
Speaker 1: But then I meet people like you who are always
Speaker 1: just you know, like, don't do it. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, don't do it girl.
Speaker 3: So the beauty of you, though, is that you have
Speaker 3: a lot of people in your corner, and you have
Speaker 3: a lot of people that you can rely on that
Speaker 3: would help you. And I'm just spinning out here by
Speaker 3: myself on my hill.
Speaker 1: But myself fine, I will buy the asylum sharing Fine,
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 3: So. I mean so that you know, it's just a
Speaker 3: different it's just a different animal. I mean, I have
Speaker 3: a three year old car with eleven thousand miles on
Speaker 3: it because I don't go anywhere. I'm here. No, I
Speaker 3: feel that all the time, you know. Yeah, and people
Speaker 3: people come in and they go, oh, you know, must
Speaker 3: been making good money.
Speaker 2: I got news for you, and none of us are.
Speaker 3: It's funny, I mean, and I'm not. And again I'm
Speaker 3: not complaining. Please, I don't want anyone out there to
Speaker 3: say she's bitching. I'm not. No, you know, I'm just
Speaker 3: being real with people because people have a misconception of
Speaker 3: what property owners are doing and what the hell they're living.
Speaker 3: And maybe others are living high in the hog, but
Speaker 3: also we are not.
Speaker 1: I think it's honestly like a very valuable message for
Speaker 1: a lot of folks out there, you know, because I
Speaker 1: do think a lot of people think about that or
Speaker 1: they think of it as a money making opportunity, and
Speaker 1: I don't know that they always realize everything that goes
Speaker 1: into it. And so I actually think I'm very glad
Speaker 1: we went down this road today. What we were chatting
Speaker 1: is so before we get into the ghosts and things.
Speaker 1: So I think, like I said, I think it's a
Speaker 1: very valuable message and I would love to get it
Speaker 1: out there. So I'm glad you brought it up. But
Speaker 1: along those lines, you bought it because you love ghosts
Speaker 1: and I know this about you again and huntings and spirits.
Speaker 1: So you obviously went there and you investigated with an
Speaker 1: event and whatnot, But like, what was it from a
Speaker 1: supernatural standpoint that that called you to Rolling Hills? Like
Speaker 1: did something happen? Did you see something? Like what was it?
Speaker 3: Well? It was really crazy. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 3: I was here June twelfth, thirteen Friday the thirteenth, and fourteen,
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, and I got so many full
Speaker 3: body apparitions on foot, like clear crazy stuff you know,
Speaker 3: class aavps, a bunch of stuff that even after I
Speaker 3: went back to California, I kept going back and looking
Speaker 3: at this evidence. It was like on the back of
Speaker 3: my mind constantly, which is really strange because you know,
Speaker 3: we had the Queen Mary and the US's Hornet Wolf
Speaker 3: Manor and all this place I used to go to
Speaker 3: on a regular basis, But this place just hooked me,
Speaker 3: and I really swear that they had to have picked me.
Speaker 3: A couple of weird things that happened. When I came
Speaker 3: back in May to look at the property with a
Speaker 3: friend of mine. I was walking out the back door
Speaker 3: with the owner at the time, and I stood in
Speaker 3: the in the doorway and I and no one else
Speaker 3: is in the building, just the three of us. So
Speaker 3: it's my friend and they had previous owners out the door,
Speaker 3: and it's just to have us standing in the doorway.
Speaker 3: And I hollered and I said, look, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to leave you guys alone. I'm going to do my
Speaker 3: best to buy the property. You know, I don't want to,
Speaker 3: you know, think that this is going to get torn.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do everything I can in my power.
Speaker 3: And coming from wherever, some woman it sounded like she
Speaker 3: was like three stories up leaning over a rail and
Speaker 3: she goes bye like that. It was so loud. We
Speaker 3: just all looked at each other. It was crazy. And
Speaker 3: then the second time I came to look at it,
Speaker 3: when I came to look at it with my husband
Speaker 3: at the time, I got home and it was the
Speaker 3: day of answering machines and I used to work from
Speaker 3: home because I had a corporate job and I was
Speaker 3: checking my messages and I got this one message. It
Speaker 3: was on a Tuesday on the machine and there was
Speaker 3: no incoming number and all it was, and I still
Speaker 3: have the recording to this day it said I seen ghosts.
Speaker 3: And then there was a hang up, and I was
Speaker 3: so weird. So I called the phone company and I said, look,
Speaker 3: I think someone is stocking me. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: You know, I want to have this trace, and they go, well,
Speaker 3: you can't really try to have to make a police report.
Speaker 3: I said, okay, fine, can you tell me if there
Speaker 3: were any incoming calls or outgoing calls on this number
Speaker 3: on this date and you know this date, which was whatever,
Speaker 3: that Tuesday was no incoming calls, no outgoing calls, just
Speaker 3: this message from the nether world of saying I seen ghosts.
Speaker 3: And I did. I saw ghosts, you know, so I
Speaker 3: really do think they picked me whatever reason. And then
Speaker 3: the day I bought the property, after I left the
Speaker 3: courthouse and after the people called me and you know,
Speaker 3: we went back and you know, talked about it and
Speaker 3: I ended up being able to buy it. I came
Speaker 3: in the property, and I was walking through with some
Speaker 3: friends of mine, had a recorder going, and I stopped
Speaker 3: in this one area and I'm just talking and just
Speaker 3: get me go, oh look at this, look at that,
Speaker 3: La la, la, la la. And then when I played
Speaker 3: back the record, there's some spirit woman. She's going she's
Speaker 3: the owner. So all I can think is that the
Speaker 3: gaggle of spirits were following me through the building and
Speaker 3: you know, poking each other in the in the in
Speaker 3: the ribs, saying who the hell is this woman? And
Speaker 3: the one spirit goes, she's the owner. And I have
Speaker 3: that recording to this to this day too, So it
Speaker 3: was very crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: So they're very they're very aware of you.
Speaker 1: And now do you feel like you obviously you've been
Speaker 1: there now for fifteen years or so, do you feel
Speaker 1: like that kind of familiarity that they have with you
Speaker 1: has just gotten even more kind of intense?
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, for sure. I mean, even like starting
Speaker 3: in the beginning and then going forward a little bit,
Speaker 3: but like in the first few years when I were
Speaker 3: like I couldn't afford rom and you know, I'd be
Speaker 3: like crying and and you know, what am I going
Speaker 3: to do? And I can remember a couple of different times.
Speaker 3: I'd go into the building after we've cleaned up a
Speaker 3: certain area and I'd walk down this hallway that we
Speaker 3: just cleaned the night of the night before, and it was,
Speaker 3: you know, very spotless, and you'd walk in and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, there'd be an envelope in the middle
Speaker 3: of the floor with dimes and nickels in it, like
Speaker 3: they were trying to give me money. One time I
Speaker 3: walked in, I hadn't been in the building in two days,
Speaker 3: last person out, first person in, doing a tour, and
Speaker 3: I'm headed towards the morgue with you know, twenty people
Speaker 3: behind me, and I stopped dead because my light's shining
Speaker 3: in the morgue and I see the more table and
Speaker 3: there's five vintage silver dollars from eighteen twenties to the
Speaker 3: nineteen thirties sitting on the moor table, right in a row.
Speaker 2: So they're like gathering up what they could for you.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. I mean people, it's hard for people to
Speaker 3: actually fathom that are telling the truth. But I have them.
Speaker 3: I have the quints, I have pictures of everything. It
Speaker 3: blows me away. It just blows me away. We do
Speaker 3: a lot of role playing when we investigate out here,
Speaker 3: and you know, I'll be sitting in one of the
Speaker 3: wheelchairs and saying, I need help. I need a bedpan
Speaker 3: of cold, can you help me? I need to find
Speaker 3: my room, and a wary or seven a half foot
Speaker 3: shadow man who is like my favorite guy in the world.
Speaker 3: Here he'll come out and though people get pictures of
Speaker 3: him standing over me with his headquirked because he's seven
Speaker 3: and a half feet tall, with a hand on my
Speaker 3: shoulder and a hand on my knee trying to help me,
Speaker 3: it's just it's pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Do you think they know, like when you have tours
Speaker 1: and investigations and events and whatnot, do you think that
Speaker 1: the spirits know that those are like a revenue source
Speaker 1: and are helping the location in a way.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty confident that they are. And I'll tell you
Speaker 3: a funny I think it's a funny little story, and
Speaker 3: people can go on SoundCloud and listen to this particular thing.
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you. A few years ago, we
Speaker 3: caught people vaping in the building. I don't know, smoking, vaping,
Speaker 3: you know, And so I asked the people to leave.
Speaker 3: Blah blah, blah. And one of the guys that was
Speaker 3: helping me out on the tours, Andrew, was up by
Speaker 3: Emma nurse Emma's room, and so he went back up
Speaker 3: to check on her, because she's very serious, old world German,
Speaker 3: you know, she's very very strict on things. So he
Speaker 3: goes into her room and goes, miss Emmer, are you okay?
Speaker 3: And on the recorder she goes, no, they're smoking in here.
Speaker 3: She was pissed, and you'll go on SoundCloud and hear it.
Speaker 3: It's it's she was really irritated, Like.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: You'll have to send me some of these and I
Speaker 1: can add them to the to the broadcast because they're
Speaker 1: to the podcast, because I feel like.
Speaker 2: People would want to hear them.
Speaker 1: So maybe friends, at the end of this, when we're done,
Speaker 1: I'll have a little snippet and I'll play those for
Speaker 1: you because I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: And you know, so it.
Speaker 1: Really it sounds like too you've you've assigned like names
Speaker 1: and personalities and everything to all of these or to
Speaker 1: many of these spirits. Have you been able to trace
Speaker 1: them back historically to like living people at some point?
Speaker 3: Absolutely a lot of them. We have like narise Emma.
Speaker 3: A lot of her relatives that live in the area
Speaker 3: come here. They buy a ticket and they come here
Speaker 3: and they visit her.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: And then so I do have a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of the spirits that they do know for facts.
Speaker 3: These are their names, this is what they told us.
Speaker 3: We can track them who they are. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of them I call my flybys where I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: have a name, but they'll they'll interact and I'll know
Speaker 3: them by certain ways. And some of them we only
Speaker 3: know their first name because they only tell us a
Speaker 3: little bit about themselves. So there's no way to track
Speaker 3: who they are, of course, if you never have a
Speaker 3: last name or date or something. But I would say
Speaker 3: there's a good ten or fifteen of them that we
Speaker 3: have historical solid information on.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like a lot of the activity you
Speaker 1: have is pretty well intelligent in nature, like I said,
Speaker 1: but then also just very kind of in your face,
Speaker 1: like we're talking apparitions and voices and shadow figures. Like
Speaker 1: how prevalent is it? Is it pretty reliable or are
Speaker 1: there do you have kind of like dry spells where
Speaker 1: nothing happens, Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Obviously, any location can ebb and flow.
Speaker 3: In my experience and I'm sure in your experience too,
Speaker 3: a lot of it really also depends on the people
Speaker 3: investigating and their energy, their belief, their sensitivity. What they
Speaker 3: put out into it is what they're going to get back.
Speaker 3: I get a lot of people that are newbies, you know,
Speaker 3: that have never done it before, only you know, done
Speaker 3: it casually once or twice, and or some of them
Speaker 3: bring you know, loved ones that have been dragged here
Speaker 3: because they're not really good to it for the girlfriend
Speaker 3: wants to come, that kind of stuff. So you know,
Speaker 3: they have different different perspectives like oh, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't really believe or whatever, And so it can go
Speaker 3: either way with the spirits. If you don't believe, they
Speaker 3: can get in your face. You don't believe I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make you believe, you know that, you're gonna really, you know,
Speaker 3: go out of here shaking your head, or if you
Speaker 3: know you're out there with a negative attitude, they're gonna
Speaker 3: be like, you know, I'm not gonna bother with you.
Speaker 3: Why would I waste my energy trying to communicate with
Speaker 3: you when you think it's bullshit? And oh sorry, if anyways,
Speaker 3: sorry about that, but you know, so it can really
Speaker 3: ebb and flow. Honestly, though, there were really well known
Speaker 3: for EVPs, especially class A vps, especially intelligent responses, a
Speaker 3: lot of you know, full body apparitions, a lot of
Speaker 3: shadow people, doors opening and closing. There's just so much here.
Speaker 3: It's and I've been around, like I mean, not as
Speaker 3: much as you have. And that sounds really bad, but
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I haven't been.
Speaker 2: You haven't been around as much as me shares.
Speaker 3: But and of course now over the last fifteen years,
Speaker 3: I can't get the hell out of here, but I've
Speaker 3: investigated a lot of other places. But honestly, I would
Speaker 3: not have given up living a mile from the beach
Speaker 3: in Huntington, be California to live in the NUKA, the north,
Speaker 3: you know, and take on this property if it wasn't
Speaker 3: that phenomenal. It really truly was that phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Right, No, And I think that says a lot like you,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like like you said, you grew up
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, which is where I am sitting currently,
Speaker 1: and it's snowing.
Speaker 2: There's feet of snow around me.
Speaker 1: And then so then you got that taste of like
Speaker 1: the you know, the warmth and the beach and like
Speaker 1: so cal and and like you said, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of haunts there and everything. So I I feel like
Speaker 1: to get someone out of that, especially by yourself. You know,
Speaker 1: for the most part, it has to be something special,
Speaker 1: it has to be your calling. And so I completely
Speaker 1: understand that, you know, as someone who left California as
Speaker 1: well for Spooky New England, I totally get. So when
Speaker 1: you have people come in to investigate, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: kind of give them some protocols and whatnot, Like what
Speaker 1: do you tell people when they come in, like if
Speaker 1: they want to have activity or or like do you
Speaker 1: have like some ground rules that you've set for them
Speaker 1: or how does that work?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's always rules to the establishment, which you know,
Speaker 3: we don't need to go into the boring stuff of that.
Speaker 3: But as far as how to investigate and everything, you know,
Speaker 3: the biggest thing I always tell people is a be upbeat,
Speaker 3: you know, have a good attitude and be patient because
Speaker 3: you know, obviously the shows have been very good to
Speaker 3: both of us, but they also give a lot of
Speaker 3: people a false sense of how things are done because
Speaker 3: they're edited down to fifty four minutes, and they think
Speaker 3: all this stuff will happen and like no time in
Speaker 3: a blank of an eye. And if they walk in
Speaker 3: a room and spend two and a half minutes and
Speaker 3: walk out and do that to the hundred plus rooms
Speaker 3: and say, well nothing's happened, Well, you just walked in
Speaker 3: and out in a minute and a half. Of course
Speaker 3: nothing's gonna happen. They don't even know. If they like you,
Speaker 3: if they want to talk to you, they can be
Speaker 3: in the room down the hall patients patients. Patients, record
Speaker 3: a lot of audio, take a pluthor of pictures, ask
Speaker 3: good questions, don't be disrespectful, and you know, the more
Speaker 3: you put out there, the more you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that makes complete sense.
Speaker 1: In all of the years you've been there, now, has
Speaker 1: there ever been a point where either like a you
Speaker 1: were like fearful, like you thought that something there could
Speaker 1: potentially harm you, or be you were just ready to
Speaker 1: just give it all up and just leave and just
Speaker 1: call it and like this is it. I can't do
Speaker 1: this anymore.
Speaker 3: As far as I'm giving it up and walking away.
Speaker 3: I never felt that point where I really wanted to
Speaker 3: give it up. I might want to give up a
Speaker 3: lot of other things that are being on at the
Speaker 3: time in my life that I'm really fed up with.
Speaker 3: But this building and the spirits really keep me going.
Speaker 3: I mean, if it wasn't for them, honestly, yeah, if
Speaker 3: it wasn't for them, yeah, I wouldn't be here because
Speaker 3: it's a ridiculous lifestyle. Really, it's a ridiculous lifestyle. But
Speaker 3: they really do keep me going. As far as being scared,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been one or two incidences where you
Speaker 3: felt the energy is really off and I don't want
Speaker 3: to be here. But in their defense and in my perspective,
Speaker 3: I have so many thousands of people that come here
Speaker 3: every year that you don't know who's being who's got
Speaker 3: an attachment, who's bringing other spirits with them, And so
Speaker 3: usually if any of those times have happened where it's
Speaker 3: been something's not right, it's usually because there's somebody else
Speaker 3: that's in the building that has not doesn't really belong
Speaker 3: in the building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense, I you know, like I and
Speaker 1: also just living people in general, regardless of if they
Speaker 1: have a ghost with them, they're scarier.
Speaker 3: That's probably say you know, people say you're ever afraid
Speaker 3: I'm like, only want to open up the front door
Speaker 3: to let you guys.
Speaker 2: In exactly, Like who's coming in now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a spirit does never lie to be
Speaker 3: cheated on me, broken, my heart is stole from me.
Speaker 2: Oh that's very true. I'm going to adopt that. You
Speaker 2: please do.
Speaker 1: Now, what is your like, what is your in your
Speaker 1: perfect world? What do you see the asylum becoming? Or
Speaker 1: what is your like endgame here?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Well, you know, I would need to
Speaker 3: win a lottery to have an endgame because it's just
Speaker 3: too much work to be had. I mean it's sixty
Speaker 3: thousand square feet and needs a lot of roof work still.
Speaker 3: I mean I've been chipping away at it here and there,
Speaker 3: but I mean, really it needs a lot of work.
Speaker 3: The windows, all the windows. There's probably I'm going to
Speaker 3: guess over one hundred and fifty windows maybe are you
Speaker 3: know a lot of the windows, especially in the nineteen
Speaker 3: thirty eight So I mean there's no installation. The building
Speaker 3: was built is bricks and a black sand plaster cement,
Speaker 3: so I mean there's no insallation in the building. I
Speaker 3: mean it's just to really try to say, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to do this to it is really unrealistic.
Speaker 3: I mean I would if I if someone wants to,
Speaker 3: you know, be my benefactor, let's bring it back. Let's
Speaker 3: make it look like I mean, trans Alagany has done
Speaker 3: some phenomenal things to you know, one of their main buildings.
Speaker 3: I would love it to look like that. Have their
Speaker 3: museum that they have, you know, with all their plants,
Speaker 3: you know, the different floor plans on the wall, and
Speaker 3: all the different pockets of the different erarors and things.
Speaker 3: I think what they've done is phenomenal. I don't have
Speaker 3: the money nor the manpower to even open up one
Speaker 3: one room museum room, which I wish I had. I
Speaker 3: have stuff ready to go, but to set it up
Speaker 3: and get everything going and get everything on the walls,
Speaker 3: and I just don't have it. So I'm kind of
Speaker 3: my hands are tired. I put off more than I
Speaker 3: could chew. And that's the fact. And you know, but
Speaker 3: I also thought I was going to have a husband
Speaker 3: that was going to be working a full time job,
Speaker 3: and instead, you know, this is it. And everything that
Speaker 3: goes comes in goes right back out. So it's hard
Speaker 3: to get ahead of the situation. I am working on
Speaker 3: getting on the national Historical Register. I've been doing that
Speaker 3: for about a year. By yeah, I'm working with the
Speaker 3: Landmarks Society and they've been doing all the research that
Speaker 3: needs to be submitted to the state. But that's a
Speaker 3: thirteen thousand dollars research project that I'm paying for and
Speaker 3: then you have to wait. By the time they submit
Speaker 3: it to the state, it could be six months to
Speaker 3: a year to get the designation. And all that really
Speaker 3: does is give you a designation. I don't really get
Speaker 3: tax credits. I thought I would, but at least in
Speaker 3: New York for me to get tax credits, I would
Speaker 3: have to put in the same amount of money the
Speaker 3: property is valued in one year for repairs to get
Speaker 3: tax Well, if I had the money, I do the work.
Speaker 2: Now, man, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: But you know, at least you know it's good to
Speaker 3: have that designation. And that's my next thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've had two historical markers already honored, you know, bestowed
Speaker 3: upon us. One for the opening of the Poorhouse and
Speaker 3: one is also in congestion with the Folklore Society with
Speaker 3: the William G. Palmery Foundation and validates the paranormal activity here.
Speaker 3: So I already had two markers donated, So I'm trying
Speaker 3: to just get the big one done. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm doing what I can do, and you know, it
Speaker 3: is what it is. I chip away every every day,
Speaker 3: and I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I bless you because I mean quite literally,
Speaker 1: you know, even though it's not doing, it's not done,
Speaker 1: or it's not perfect, you know, the spirits and the
Speaker 1: ghosts are literally keeping that place standing along with you, you know.
Speaker 1: And and I think that's that's a valuable kind of
Speaker 1: historical lesson for us paranormal peeps, is that sometimes what
Speaker 1: we do is all as all a place has, and
Speaker 1: so I do really I or what you're doing now,
Speaker 1: if people want to help, or people want to come visit,
Speaker 1: or people want to tour or ghost time, what do
Speaker 1: they need to do?
Speaker 3: They can just go to the website Rolling Hills Asylum
Speaker 3: dot com. You on the front page, there's usually some
Speaker 3: special events listed. You can click on the calendar, which
Speaker 3: is not up to date right now because it is winter.
Speaker 3: So I'm adding more stuff. I have stuff up through
Speaker 3: March or April, I guess through April, and I'll be
Speaker 3: adding more the summer stuff over the next couple of
Speaker 3: weeks as we have more special events in the regular
Speaker 3: calendar up. There's a go fund me link on there
Speaker 3: for our roofs. I would really love it if you
Speaker 3: can spare the cost of a Starbucks, that would be fabulous.
Speaker 3: I work with a great roof for actually at a
Speaker 3: Whister mask.
Speaker 2: Oh nice.
Speaker 3: We're trying to fix a big section that is on
Speaker 3: the east wing. It covers the kitchen and the old
Speaker 3: staff and inmates dining room, which those two areas. The
Speaker 3: kitchen still open, but the inmate dining room and the
Speaker 3: staff dining room have been closed since I bought the place.
Speaker 3: People may remember them from Ghost Adventures as being the
Speaker 3: old Christmas Tree room. But that whole section of the
Speaker 3: roof is not doing well and so I really need
Speaker 3: to get that done asap. But it's you know, it
Speaker 3: is a huge undertaking.
Speaker 1: It is truly a labor of love. So I commend you.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I haven't visited, to be honest, so
Speaker 1: I love for you to come.
Speaker 3: I ad time open door policy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely need to get out there so well.
Speaker 1: It was lovely catching up. I wish you the best
Speaker 1: of luck with everything. I love what you're doing. I
Speaker 1: love how haunted that place is, and I know that
Speaker 1: everything happens for a reason, and so I think it's
Speaker 1: going to all come around in some magical way. And
Speaker 1: I really do commend you for sticking with it for
Speaker 1: so long.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it, and you know, it's really fun
Speaker 3: for me, not only you know, to have these experiences
Speaker 3: with the spirits, meeting everybody you know in the paranormal field.
Speaker 3: But my biggest joy really is so many people that
Speaker 3: just are curious about the history, are curious about the paranormal.
Speaker 3: I haven't really dabbled in it. That's a big part
Speaker 3: of my visitors are people that are just like, like
Speaker 3: I say, newbies, and have them experience something for the
Speaker 3: first time is so cool. You know, it really opens
Speaker 3: up their mind to really what is happening on the
Speaker 3: other side. And you know, when we pass on, none
Speaker 3: of us really know. We're not going to know till
Speaker 3: we get there. But it really it's just that is
Speaker 3: the biggest joy is dealing with the new people. I
Speaker 3: really really love it when I can, you know, share
Speaker 3: a little bit what I experience with other people.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Well, it's a special place and I really do
Speaker 2: thank you so much. Sharon. Hopefully we'll connect soon.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Amy, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Since eighteen twenty seven, Rolling Hill's Asylum has represented a contradiction.
Speaker 1: On paper, it was supposed to give employment in housing
Speaker 1: opportunities to people who didn't have many other options. In practice,
Speaker 1: it was overcrowded and unhygienic. Today it still houses those
Speaker 1: with nowhere else to go, but now it's only residents
Speaker 1: are the restless spirits of the dead. It's unclear why
Speaker 1: these ghosts remain in Rolling Hills, but it has been
Speaker 1: speculated that they're lingering in the only home they've ever known.
Speaker 1: Others believe they're unable to move past their traumatic experiences
Speaker 1: from their time in the asylum. Whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: I only hope that time will bring them peace. I'm
Speaker 1: Amy brune and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is
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Speaker 1: and Minky. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me
Speaker 1: Amy Bruney, with additional research by Cassandra de Alba. This
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