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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Katty and now He Armstrong and Eddy war

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Speaker 2: rages on.

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Speaker 1: We've got more about that coming up this hour. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the whole anthropic Pentagon thing,

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Speaker 1: which is super interesting.

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Speaker 3: Is that just a clash of two completely different dudes?

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Speaker 3: Really interesting. We'll be on it.

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Speaker 1: We got to figure that out though, because obviously AI

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Speaker 1: is going to play a role in our government and

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Speaker 1: in our warfare. And we'll get a little of what

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Speaker 1: the latest is on the actual war. This is something

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Speaker 1: completely different. This is Gavin Newsom, governor of California, who's

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Speaker 1: almost certainly running for president. We talked a lot last

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Speaker 1: week about that thing where he was on stage. I've

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Speaker 1: heard various reports about how much that was a black

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Speaker 1: audience or not. The host was black, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the audience was black. Was it mostly a black audience?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because originally it was portrayed to me

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Speaker 1: as a black event. And Gavin Newsom said on stage saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like you. I got a terrible grade on

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Speaker 1: my SATs, which is a weird thing to say. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hilariously parodied here on the show. I still think he

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Speaker 1: portrayed his and then he jumps in, I can't read it, bok.

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Speaker 1: Have you never seen me read a speech? I can't read.

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Speaker 1: I think he didn't do the best job of laying

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Speaker 1: that out. What's going on there? He has a processing

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Speaker 1: disorder with his brain, like lots of people do. I

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Speaker 1: think I've learned that I do on some things that

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Speaker 1: I just I read different things that I see. It's

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Speaker 1: very minor, but now once I discovered it, it's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: obviously I've always done this. His is pretty bad, and

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Speaker 1: I thought this was just really interesting. If you have

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Speaker 1: a processing disorder, if you've got a kid with one.

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Speaker 1: Mark Halpern interviewing Gavin Newsome about his can you read?

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Speaker 1: Can you read a book? I can read?

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Speaker 3: I used to have to underline it.

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Speaker 4: I can't read spatially. I can't. That's why I can't

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Speaker 4: read a speech mark because spatially I'll lose the line,

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Speaker 4: so I'll literally and I mean, I wish I had

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Speaker 4: a book here. If you ever lend me a book.

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Speaker 4: That's why I'll go to library, because I can never

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Speaker 4: return the book, I have to underline. And then what

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Speaker 4: I'll do is I'll take what's underlined and then I'll

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Speaker 4: put it out. And this is literally an actual example.

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Speaker 4: I'll just put in pieces of paper everything underlined, and

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Speaker 4: then I'll do that for hours and hours and hours,

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Speaker 4: and then eventually I'll put it on a little yellow

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Speaker 4: in my head. But that's the process. But everything online

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Speaker 4: I have to print out. So I take what's online,

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Speaker 4: print out your blog or something, and then underline it

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Speaker 5: So it's a process. So you can't you can't read

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Speaker 5: on a phone. You can't read on a phone or

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Speaker 5: an iPad. I can I just get a day dreaming.

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Speaker 5: I start drifting off. And so it's so if you're saying,

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Speaker 5: is the key. So so if you're reading, if you're

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Speaker 5: reading my book, say you open it and you just

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Speaker 4: I made stars, and then I go back and without exception,

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Speaker 4: I'll go back to every book I read and then

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Speaker 4: I will write it out. I have hundreds and hundreds

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Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting, guys. I've known a

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Speaker 1: few people explain to me how they, like one with

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Speaker 1: the amount of work you have to do if you

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Speaker 1: of us have to do to get the same information

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Speaker 3: It's probably worth noting that this is not about Gavin

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Speaker 1: Yeah, roll on with that, Michael.

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Speaker 3: And this is the gift.

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Speaker 4: This is the gift of dyslexia. I know people want

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Speaker 1: It's hard work.

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Speaker 3: Is the grid.

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Speaker 4: It's what my mom, you know what, that's her legacy.

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Speaker 4: It gives you the ability then to be able to

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Speaker 1: So I don't know anything about that angle of it.

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Speaker 1: But I also thought it was interesting him say, because

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Speaker 1: he has he has dyslexia and ADHD maybe, or I

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Speaker 1: would think he would know. I'm sure he's been testing

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Speaker 1: And then so because if he under if he draws

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Speaker 1: He can stay focused and read it in the proper order.

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Speaker 1: if that's true for everybody with dyslexia or only him.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting, which I agree.

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Speaker 3: I don't know it is interesting, Kevin. It doesn't explain

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Speaker 1: I don't think he interested well, and you'd have more

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Speaker 1: compassion for it. I don't think he presented it in

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Speaker 1: the best way the other day to alert everybody as

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Speaker 1: people are starting to become aware of gavenusom across the

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Speaker 1: country and as a presidential candidate and all that sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff. To it'say, I'm as dumb as you. I

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Speaker 1: can't read. I don't know that that was the best

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Speaker 4: We're all human, we all falls short sometimes.

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Speaker 3: That's good point, Kevy. I think Democratic donors would do

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Speaker 3: well to remember Maya Angelou's famous proclamation that when somebody

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Speaker 3: tries to tell you what kind of person they are,

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Speaker 3: believe them. Gavy cannot hit major league hitching. He is

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Speaker 3: a one party state anointed star. He is not a

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Speaker 3: major leaguer, and he's proved it a couple of times lately.

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Speaker 3: But they'll keep running them up with the flag bowl

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Speaker 3: because he's good luck and well, reasonably well spoken, although,

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Speaker 3: as you heard in those clips, not great well.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Mark Alburn bailed Gavin out of the

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Speaker 1: thing that happened a week or so ago by letting

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Speaker 1: him explain all this in a way that he should

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Speaker 1: should have taken this very easy to be sympathetic about

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Speaker 1: as opposed to something incredibly mockable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, and even his explanation to Helper,

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Speaker 3: and he needed help from Helper and to explain himself.

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Speaker 3: It's just he's not a major leaguer. Speaking of Gavin Newsom,

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Speaker 3: if you don't mind, we do have a delightful montage

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Speaker 3: of Gavin Newsom talking about solving the quote unquote homelessness

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Speaker 3: problem in California, which is mostly a junkie problem. For

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Speaker 3: the last twenty two years. Michael, let's hear what.

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Speaker 4: We called a ten year plan end chronic holeness in

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Speaker 1: How are you going to fall homelessness?

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Speaker 3: What are you going to do? It's a new mayor,

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Speaker 3: and I said, well, what are you going to do?

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Speaker 4: Focus on a housing first model, direct access to housing, shelter,

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Speaker 4: solvet sleep, housing with wrap around and support services solve homelessness.

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Speaker 4: Homelessness absolutely can be solved laid out a detailed homeless strategy.

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Speaker 4: There's been no intentionality on homelessness in the state for decades.

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Speaker 4: It's not been a focus. I don't think we can

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Speaker 4: street homelessness quickly and humanely through emergency action. The highest

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Speaker 4: investment the state's ever made is one billion dollars on homelessness.

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Speaker 3: Not interested in funding failure.

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Speaker 4: We're not interested in failing more efficiently when it comes

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Speaker 4: to the issue of homelessness and the Christ on the street.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that music was mocking in tone.

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Speaker 3: Ah, I didn't notice. I love the juxtaposition of we

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Speaker 3: have made enormous progress fifty two thousand people. Then the

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Speaker 3: next clip was probably six months later, the state has

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Speaker 3: made no progress and dealing with the homelessness. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: what's so funny? What's tragic? Comic?

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Speaker 1: It was a year or two ago that we Californians

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Speaker 1: entire United States are in California because people figured out,

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Speaker 1: not only is the weather good, but they'll let you

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Speaker 1: be drunk or high your whole life. They'll provide you

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Speaker 3: It's awesome, say the revelation that was a similar timeframe

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Speaker 3: that not only could they not tell us how effective

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Speaker 3: the various programs had been, there wasn't even a mechanism

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Speaker 1: Which should have been a much bigger scandal. To say

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Speaker 1: it for the one millionth time, I honestly wish I

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Speaker 1: could talk to Gavin about this. Why don't you look

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Speaker 1: at it as a drug problem. It's a drug problem.

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Speaker 1: It's not a housing problem. It's a drug problem.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: You got a whole bunch of people who ruin their

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Speaker 1: and they end up on the street, and we and

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Speaker 1: and it's pretty obvious to them from looking around that

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Speaker 1: we have a support structure for living on the street.

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Speaker 1: Right where you can get food and shelter and continue

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Speaker 1: they just won't have it and we'll have lesser fighter planes.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, yeah, So I don't

434
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Speaker 1: know how this gets worked out. And then there was

435
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Speaker 1: on Friday before the war started, with the help of Anthropic.

436
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Speaker 1: By the way, they used Entropic for a lot of

437
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Speaker 1: the targeting and the complicated figure out what to hit

438
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Speaker 1: and how and arrange the planes and all that sort

439
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Speaker 1: of stuff. They used Entropic because intelligence processing as well.

440
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Speaker 1: If you were following. On Friday, there was a big

441
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Speaker 1: dust up, Trump said and hegxeth announced no more government

442
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Speaker 1: work with Entropic. Their person and on grata to us

443
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Speaker 1: were cutting ties with Entropic. Then used them twenty four

444
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Speaker 1: hours later to kill the Iyatola. But also there was

445
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Speaker 1: talk of Trump made some noises about seizing Ententropic, taking

446
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Speaker 1: the technology from them.

447
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Speaker 3: Which I have to call them left wing nut jobs.

448
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Speaker 3: Have to assume that can't happen legally. Yes, it says

449
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Speaker 3: some law I'm unfamiliar with they cited. I can't remember

450
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Speaker 3: the name of it, but it's the to label somebody

451
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Speaker 3: as a supply chain risk is a serious thing for

452
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Speaker 3: a military supplier, and that's what the Trump administration is

453
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Speaker 3: looking at doing or already has. I'm not sure how

454
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Speaker 3: law works, but.

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Speaker 1: I was troubled by this, andthropics really worried about its

456
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Speaker 1: technology being used to surveil Americans. US law doesn't allow

457
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Speaker 1: the government to surveil us. But as this expert on

458
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Speaker 1: the Fourth Amendment pointed out, a lot of what you

459
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Speaker 1: would do colloquially, what you would colloquially kind of in

460
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Speaker 1: common terms think of as a search is not a

461
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Speaker 1: search under the Fourth Amendment. When it comes to AI,

462
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Speaker 1: user data such as search history and algorithm preferences collected

463
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Speaker 1: and held by private companies is not categorically protected by

464
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Speaker 1: the Fourth Amendment. Neither is all kinds of footage of

465
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Speaker 1: cameras all over everywhere necessarily fall under the Fourth Amendment,

466
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Speaker 1: and all kinds of other different things that AI could

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Speaker 1: gather in a way that human beings couldn't, just like

468
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Speaker 1: super fast and put it all together. If we're gonna

469
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Speaker 1: have to work that.

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Speaker 3: Out as a country as the technology continually changes, good luck. Yeah,

471
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Speaker 3: where do you have an ex spectation of privacy these days?

472
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Speaker 3: In my own home? Certainly? Every just so click to

473
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Speaker 3: form and said, I agree when Google told you, by

474
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Speaker 3: the way your search is, are ours your search history.

475
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Speaker 1: Every time I get into my cyber truck, there's a

476
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Speaker 1: little thing on there that says four events happened while

477
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Speaker 1: you're gone, because it's recording on cameras all the way around,

478
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Speaker 1: and I watch the events just for fun sometimes, and

479
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Speaker 1: like somebody pulled up next to me and opened their

480
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Speaker 1: door and got their baby out of the car and

481
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, and walked behind me and scratched their

482
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Speaker 1: ass and all these different things, and I see it

483
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Speaker 1: on the camera. But all of these videos of these

484
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Speaker 1: people that they don't know they're being videoed. Well, when

485
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Speaker 1: every car has what the cyber truck has, which all

486
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: of them will soon enough, every car will have that

487
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: will be recorded constantly. Every car you walk down the

488
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Speaker 1: street is recording you, car by car by car by car,

489
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Speaker 1: so your entire walk around your neighborhood would be recorded.

490
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Speaker 1: If you wanted to put all that together, and AI

491
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Speaker 1: probably could and that something. You combine the ring cams

492
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: with the car cameras, you will be on video constantly.

493
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Speaker 3: I wish we could reanimate Huxley and Orwell and have

494
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: them update their famous books Brave New World in nineteen

495
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: eighty four, although nineteen eighty four is pretty close to

496
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Speaker 3: the technology we're talking about. But yeah, how does the

497
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Speaker 3: world look? Because I know, a surveilled society is an

498
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Speaker 3: obedient society. People feel the need to conform and obey

499
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Speaker 3: and keep their mouths shut lest they be suspected of

500
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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And that just changes the nature of

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Speaker 3: your society.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's that. And if you end up with a

503
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Speaker 1: bad actor in charge of the government and decides to

504
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Speaker 1: use it for ill. If mankind ever falls under the

505
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Speaker 1: sway of a totalitarian government that has the surveillance technology

506
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Speaker 1: that exists now, will never break free. Correct, It'll be

507
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Speaker 1: the classic orwell a boots stamping on your face forever

508
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: because there'll be no getting out of it.

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Speaker 3: I can show your soul's desire for freedom. That's the

510
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: only answer. Thank you, sweetheart. You know not every slope

511
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: is slippery, but this feels like I don't know a

512
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Speaker 3: sheet of glass covered in w D forty, some sort

513
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: of sexual loub and some whale snot. I mean, the

514
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: slipperiest slope that has ever existed.

515
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Speaker 1: Now, my son said to me, and I had to

516
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Speaker 1: discipline him harshly, said, I said, I'm not doing anything wrong,

517
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Speaker 1: So I don't care, which is the attitude of a

518
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: lot of people always on this stuff. But you think

519
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: you're not doing anything wrong, wait till somebody else is

520
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: in charge. Maybe they'll think what you're doing is wrong.

521
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: How you show me the man, I will bring you

522
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Speaker 1: the crime. How you vote, how you pay taxes, how

523
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: you whatever. You don't pick a topic anyway that's really interesting.

524
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know what I think about the most

525
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Speaker 1: powerful tools on earth not being in the hand the

526
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Speaker 1: government doesn't have it or won't have it because they

527
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Speaker 1: don't want to play along, because China is going to

528
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Speaker 1: have AI in their military right they already do. I'm

529
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Speaker 1: sure it's probably the only practically the only thing they're

530
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Speaker 1: going to do with AI is militarize it, and we won't.

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Speaker 5: Right.

532
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Speaker 3: Uh. The one thing I can't answer is whether anthropics

533
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Speaker 3: leadership in some of the systems we're talking about is

534
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Speaker 3: so clearly superior that you know, to go with somebody

535
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Speaker 3: else would be a big step back.

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Speaker 1: Well this is I don't know that this story got

537
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Speaker 1: obliterated Friday because the war started over the weekend. But

538
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: Sam Altman at open AI said, will do it. He

539
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: raised his hand, said will do it because the government

540
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: had a contract with Nthropic and when they canceled it

541
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Speaker 1: and said that's it no more. Altman at open AI said, hey,

542
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Speaker 1: we're We're happy to fill in. So I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: he cares if the Pentagon used it to surveyal people

544
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Speaker 1: or send out robots the landscape with machine guns or

545
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Speaker 1: whatever the hell.

546
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Speaker 3: Oh well, probably robot wolves. One more note, just because

547
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Speaker 3: it's interesting, and then I can't wait. Next segment, We've

548
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: got a guy from the Middle East challenging a bunch

549
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: of left wing stupid anti Trump demonstrators, anti Iran war demonstrators. Anyway,

550
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Speaker 3: Claude not only played a significant role in setting up

551
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Speaker 3: the attack on Iran, it also played a role in

552
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Speaker 3: the military action that captured old Man Maduro. Has been

553
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: used for war gaming and mission planning. Anthropic for years

554
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: been the most vocal AI company advocating for guard rails.

555
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Speaker 3: The stance at times is frustrated administration officials blah blah blah.

556
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Speaker 3: Earlier this year, Anthropic effectively banned the use of the

557
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Speaker 3: word pathogen in model prompts as part of its safeguards

558
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Speaker 3: against AI creating a bio weapon on its unclassified systems

559
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Speaker 3: used by many agencies. Blah blah. The band made it

560
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Speaker 3: difficult for employees at the Centers for Disease Control and

561
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Speaker 3: Prevention to use the AI tool. It took weeks to

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Speaker 3: get workers permission to circumvent those bands.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's impossible to do that. It reminds me of

564
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Speaker 1: the thing years ago we had about when Facebook was

565
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Speaker 1: trying to deal with the nipple.

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Speaker 3: Oh, one of the funniest episodes in the history of

567
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Speaker 3: the computer.

568
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: Ban the nipple because they didn't well. Originally was to

569
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Speaker 1: not have nudity, and then well, cassono breastfeeding, and then

570
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: you allow breastfeeding, But then what if it's an adult

571
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: breastfeeding on a woman? Is that?

572
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: What about a man breastfeeding another man? Blah blah. Yeah,

573
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Speaker 3: hi caramba.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh god, oh boy. It's better than the Kentucky

575
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Speaker 1: meat shower, which is the one hundred and fiftieth anniversary

576
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Speaker 1: of today, do tell I'll tell you about that and

577
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: other things on the way. Why am I not in

578
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: Bath County, Kentucky today to celebrate the meat shower with

579
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Speaker 1: everybody else. It's an annual festival. We'll talk about that

580
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: coming out.

581
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Speaker 3: It sounds like something that was outlawed even in San Francisco.

582
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: We now bring you to Philthadelphia, Pennsylvania, where a bunch

583
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Speaker 3: of woke protesters are yelling about the attack on Iran

584
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Speaker 3: and they are confronted by a fellow who's actually from

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Speaker 3: the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you leave America? You hate this imperial this country.

587
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: Why don't you.

588
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 7: Leave when Iranian women and murdered by their government? None

589
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 7: of you said, you're fake activist? Why don't you snake

590
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Speaker 7: about the fifty thousand.

591
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: Ranians who were cute? You fake town? That's none of

592
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Speaker 1: you because none of you are showered.

593
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: That is some trolling, fake terrorist, effing cause playing children,

594
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Speaker 3: Well said, Sir Well.

595
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Speaker 1: Said, what is the Kentucky Meat Shower? So happened one

596
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years ago today they have an annual

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Speaker 1: festival there in the county where it occurred.

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Speaker 3: And I asked my wife for the Kentucky Meat Shower,

599
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Speaker 3: and she didn't speak to me for a week.

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Speaker 1: You date a Kentucky meat Shower, you don't marry the

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Speaker 1: Kentucky meatch. That's horrible.

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00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: It's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Katie's staying out of it. She's just gonna stay out

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Speaker 1: of it. So I'm from rural America, So you come

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Speaker 1: up with any reason for your festival. Like I lived

606
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Speaker 1: near Cocker City, Kansas, where they have the world's largest

607
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: ball of twine. And every year you have a big,

608
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Speaker 1: giant party with bands and you drink beer and they

609
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Speaker 1: add some more twined to the ball to make it bigger.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just come up with these things. In

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Speaker 1: Bath County, Kentucky, they have the Kentucky Meat Shower Festival.

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Speaker 1: It's one hundred and fiftieth anniversary today. When on this day,

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Speaker 1: March third, eighteen seventy six, chunks of meat began falling

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Speaker 1: from the sky for several minutes around eleven am, covering

615
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Speaker 1: a one hundred fifty yard area in chunks and chunks

616
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Speaker 1: and chunks of meat. It was a side I don't.

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00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 3: Know what's happening exactly, but something has gone terribly wrong.

618
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: This poor woman was sitting there. It's not good washing

619
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Speaker 1: clothes or something like that. When chunks of meat, some

620
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Speaker 1: of them as large as her hand, began tumbling from.

621
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Speaker 3: The sky, people want to beef.

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00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: The story went national fast as people tried to figure

623
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Speaker 1: out why chunks of meat fell from the sky in

624
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Speaker 1: that little part of Kentucky. Scientists got involved examined samples.

625
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Seven samples were examined by scientists who confirmed that several

626
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: were lung tissue, some were muscular tissue, two were cartilage.

627
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: Several people actually tasted it instead, it tasted like mutton

628
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Speaker 1: or venison. Ah, this is the sort of thing you

629
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Speaker 1: did in the eighteen seventies, apparently, or if a chunk

630
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Speaker 1: of meat fell out of the sky, you'd say, oh,

631
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Speaker 1: let me taste that.

632
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 3: I wonder what that is. I'm ready to figure it out. Clym.

633
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: Anyway, Apparently, vultures vomit occasionally, and for whatever reason, a

634
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: big flock of vultures vomited up all the dead food

635
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: that day had eaten up. And at the same time,

636
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds of unidentified meat fell in one little spot.

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00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: And that's the Kentucky Meat Shower. And that's why we

638
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Speaker 1: have a festival.

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00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: Every Please send the bill for detailing your car after

640
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: you vomited it to Jack Armstrong. He'll be happy to

641
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: pay that bill.

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Speaker 1: We got more on the way Armstrong and Getty