1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit more about the Korean economy 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: with our guest Skill Park. He is Korea economist at 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: JP Morgan. He joins us from Seoul. Sakil. Thank you 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: so much for being with us. Uh, correct me if 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But twenty five basis points wasn't that at 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: the low end of estimates in terms of what the 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: market was expecting from the Bank of Korea yesterday? Uh? Yeah, 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Actually the twin five basics point hike was in nine 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: with the expectation UM the deal place to step was 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: much moderate than what is happening in the United States 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: because the governation sext himself explained the last time that 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: Korea twenty five or fifty basics point hide may have 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: a larger impact than the US given Uh, the household 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: credits mostly UM using the term with the floating interest rates, 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: so the impact may be higher. So you know, I 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: think if basics well was well expected by the market. Yeah, 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: we were hearing a lot about the possibility of a 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: fifty basis point increase. That's why I asked the question, 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: particularly when you look at the latest treading on producer 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: prices for the month of October coming in at a 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: rate of seven point three percent year on year. So 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: clearly at this point South Korea is still fighting inflation 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: in a major way. Uh, that's right. But in the 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: high frequency data wise we do the stabilizing oil prices, 25 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: and also in the coin place and side of the 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: the constanto inflation. Actually it was quite uh strong in 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: the summer months, but we are looking at so hopefully 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: we're looking at and all these signs of tapering off. Yeah, 29 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: you're right, the PPI noble was strong, but the normally 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: created CPI full of ality is so well more moderate 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: and the PPI inflation number implied for so I'll say 32 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: you have quite cautious, but still there on the right 33 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: direction for uh seeing the consumer inflation gradually stabilizing for 34 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: the end of next year, I think. So to what 35 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: extent do you think the b oka was guided by 36 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: a lot of the stress that we have seen in 37 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: the credit markets in South Korea, particularly short term credit 38 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: and some of the contraction that there has been in 39 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: that space with with yields UH spiking a bit, and 40 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: and you know, people just don't want to own it 41 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: right now. Yes, right, But actually yesterday the governor confirmed 42 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: our expectation that the UK's financial market stabilize and action 43 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: should not jeopardize it's mandate to stabilized inflation. So by 44 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: not injecting additional liquidity into the financial system, but by 45 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: preemptively stabilizing poke it with micrometers. So we also equal 46 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: the Governor's assessment that the Korean financial stability will remain. 47 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: Brobostis bite the possible product a volatility event, maybe in 48 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: the short term dequdity and credit market. Actually, I have 49 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: to thread the just is basically a domestic credit issue 50 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: and that be okay can fully handle if they have 51 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: an intention to do so. So we were talking a 52 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: moment ago about the minutes of the last FED meeting. 53 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: It seems as though they were taken to be pretty dubbish. 54 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: And I think the market here in the States is 55 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: assuming that the FED is going to downshift now to 56 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: a fifty basis point hike in December. So the level 57 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: of aggression maybe not nearly as intense as it was 58 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the tightening cycle. That is not 59 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: to say that the FED is done. We can debate 60 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: what you think might be the terminal rate for the FED. 61 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Is there a number that you have in mind is 62 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: it five? Is that five in the quarter, maybe as 63 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: much as five and a half percent for the fed's 64 00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: terminal rate. UM. Actually our usc continue does have the 65 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: fat call. But besides that, the fat called the spilliver 66 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: from the fat policy rate in to crean plocy rate 67 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: is not mechanical UH in a sense that the BOK 68 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: follows the fat rate to some degree, but that's through 69 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: the inductory, through the effect market an effect market to 70 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: consumer inflation spiliver and consumer inflation deliver finally to the 71 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: polist rate decisions. So it's a multi stage process. And 72 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: recently what we are looking at is that there have 73 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: been some stabilization of crea one trade with basket weight, 74 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: that the value has been stabilized UM. I think to 75 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: some degree also reflected by the market effectation about the 76 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: BET terminal rate. And yes, I have to acknowledge that 77 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: that there remains some asserting piece on that. But still 78 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: in the BO case A side and the UH, their 79 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: decisions at least before the one is just based on 80 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: that currency consideration, maybe lesser than before, while that they 81 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: have some higher consideration for as you say, the domestic 82 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: credit issues. So I think it des allans to bake 83 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: the twin fire basics point high cnatifty. So recently we 84 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: saw trade data for the first twenty days of the month. 85 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: Some of the export numbers relatively soft, I think to 86 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: be okay, probably has a keen eye on semiconductor exupports. 87 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, is this an area of the economy that 88 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: you're watching closely? What are you seeing when you look 89 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: at exports, particularly semiconductors right now? Actually we are now 90 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: going through the town cycle of semiconductor in terms of 91 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: nominal gals, not the real goals actually s any conduct 92 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: the real expert gals and the real products and is 93 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: quite still quite strong. But what matter is now it's 94 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: process in falling along with inventory def stocking globally on 95 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: the memory chips though, but as you see in the 96 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: past ten years or so, uh, semiconductor pricess all like 97 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: always socially eating around the trend about the about the 98 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: few quarters flag. So uh cautiously we're expecting that movement, 99 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: the cyclical swing will come to an end by the 100 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: first half of next year and the slightly recover in 101 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: the second half. So yeah, that's the what is largely 102 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: are going through. We were talking a moment ago as 103 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: well about the COVID story in China. The spiking cases 104 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: were the record level. Many economists that we speak with 105 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: on this program who focus on China are looking at 106 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: a slower growth rate when you look at the extent 107 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: to which exports from South Korea entered China and there 108 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: may be some contraction in the demand part of that story, 109 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: Are you concerned that it has the potential to hold 110 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: back South Korean growth in a meaningful way? Um, you're right. 111 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: The China is one of the major trading parts in 112 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: of Korea, so it's a slowdown will affect Creates expert 113 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: performances next year. But what I do worry about the 114 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: next year, or what I do counted for the slowdown 115 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: for the Korean growth next year is the mainly consumer 116 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: demand because CREATE is now done with the initial pentop 117 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: demand initiating the all year this year. And also at 118 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: the same time you have two looking at slowdown in 119 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: the employment growth and also feeling tightness feeling the impact 120 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: of the titaned Hall of this from my chain fisical. 121 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm expecting, that the consumer demand is 122 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: a cooling down next year, and that then maybe the 123 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: major drag in terms of the expert, Yes, it will 124 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: slow down, but we don't think it is a breaking down. 125 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: Interesting that the greatest risk right now is domestic when 126 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: you look at the South Korean economy, so Kale Park, 127 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: Korean economist for J. P. Morgan, thank you so much 128 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: for joining us here on Debrey Occasia