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Speaker 1: Welcome into North Side Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are

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Speaker 1: your Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. The

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Speaker 1: Cubs continue to play great baseball. Frankly, everyone is contributing.

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Speaker 1: The offense continues to look great. You know, the one

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Speaker 1: issue right now, the main thing we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about right now is Shoda Monaga heads to the I L.

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Speaker 1: I was there on Sunday when the injury occurred. It

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Speaker 1: seemed pretty obvious what was happening. It was a hamstring

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Speaker 1: issue that was confirmed soon soon after just running to

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Speaker 1: first covering first on a potential three six one double

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Speaker 1: played looked at you know.

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Speaker 2: It was immediate.

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Speaker 1: You could see as he slowed up and you could

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Speaker 1: see like he just motioned to the dugout like this

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Speaker 1: was an obvious thing, not something I think he's felt before.

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Speaker 1: I think the one the one thing we got from

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Speaker 1: postgame on Sunday was him saying, like, what happened in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: it didn't seem similar at all to this.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to know, right, Like, if you're cramping, that can.

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Speaker 1: Lead to weaknesses in the body that that caused that, right,

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Speaker 1: But according to Council, according to him, Anaga like everything

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Speaker 1: was great leading up into that start. They had no

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Speaker 1: signs suggesting that, you know, he needed more time or

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Speaker 1: he should take a break here. So I'm I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if the Cubs screwed anything up there. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it would be fair to suggest that they did.

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Speaker 1: But he's on the shelf, and that's that's that's the

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Speaker 1: bottom line. He's headed to the il. What what did

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Speaker 1: you hear on Monday when you were out at the ballpark.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a coincidence or not,

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Speaker 3: but the Cubs went through PFPS picture fielding practice before

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Speaker 3: Monday's game, doing those kind.

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Speaker 4: Of covering the first moves.

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Speaker 3: Shodo was unavailable to speak to the media. He met

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Speaker 3: he was schedules meet with doctor Stephen Grizzlow closer towards

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Speaker 3: first pitch.

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Speaker 4: On Monday night.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the Cubs are saying this is a

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Speaker 3: mild strain. Craig Council said, you know, they're still looking

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Speaker 3: at two plus weeks, which is kind of what you

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Speaker 3: know when it's a fifteen day injured list. I think

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Speaker 3: one point Jed Hoyer stressed was we don't want to

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Speaker 3: just get him back. We want to get him back

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Speaker 3: fully healthy and capable of doing all the things that

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Speaker 3: he normally does as one of the game's best pitchers.

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Speaker 3: We know how these timelines go, right like they're usual,

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Speaker 3: they're very much subject to change, and it kind of

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Speaker 3: goes through these cycles of fans and media freak out,

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Speaker 3: the Cubs say this is actually like good news, considering

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Speaker 3: you know, what the worst case could have been, and

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Speaker 3: then it's we don't see him for a while, and

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Speaker 3: the game just keeps moving on. So I would imagine,

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Speaker 3: you know, we'll obviously get into how they go on

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Speaker 3: from here.

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Speaker 4: Kate Horton is certainly one name, but I'm curious to

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Speaker 4: kind of ask, you know, when we go back.

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Speaker 3: To regally, like are these things related, like all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden to have like two leg issues after being

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Speaker 3: extremely healthy during his rookie season in Chicago. And I

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Speaker 3: guess the other component here too is you're already down

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Speaker 3: justin Steel, right, so you know he's gone for the

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Speaker 3: rest of the year. Javier Sad is on the injured

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Speaker 3: list as well, which is basically, you know, sixty percent

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Speaker 3: of a projected opening day rotation is just sidelined and

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Speaker 3: showed it might be the first one to come back,

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Speaker 3: and we have.

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Speaker 4: No idea when he he's going to be fully ready either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's way too early, like the you know, the

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Speaker 1: good news the bad news. We'll see as this progresses,

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Speaker 1: like there can be setbacks, they can say, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: not it's not responding like we hope, right, like we

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Speaker 1: hear these things all the time. We'll have a better

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Speaker 1: idea when he starts throwing again. I think Justin Steele's

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Speaker 1: injury last year with his hamstring is a good kind

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Speaker 1: of like something we can look at and say like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's probably a good scenario. Right, he missed a month

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Speaker 1: that's what you have to hope with Shoda in mon Aga.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a you know, anything sooner than a

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Speaker 1: I guess it's possible, but it would be pretty optimistic there.

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Speaker 1: But a month seems kind of realistic, and you you

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Speaker 1: just have to kind of hope that there's no setbacks,

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Speaker 1: that this isn't a recurring issue that that it quickly

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Speaker 1: then you know, goes through the progression needed.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you're right.

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Speaker 1: The depth is the depth has taken a hit, Like

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Speaker 1: this was something that I mean, I think it's important

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Speaker 1: to like, it's an important reminder of why you have

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Speaker 1: to add guys like Colin Ray and why guys like

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Speaker 1: Chris Flexen are important.

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Speaker 2: Like you don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Dip into all these this depth, but the reality is

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Speaker 1: it's a long season and you may have to. And

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Speaker 1: now Flexen seems important. Now Colin Ray has been hugely

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Speaker 1: important for this team. Jordan Wicks is struggling. He's struggling

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Speaker 1: at Triple A. Like you can't predict all these things.

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Speaker 1: Then remember the end of twenty twenty three, how good

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Speaker 1: Jordan Wicks love? Yeah, yet that disasters start to end

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Speaker 1: the season. But there was like a stretch like all

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Speaker 1: his starts before that, we're really good.

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Speaker 4: He had four or five really competitive starts in a

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Speaker 4: playoff chase. It's very impressive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then last year was just a bad

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Speaker 1: season for him injuries and ineffectiveness, and now he's struggling.

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Speaker 2: He looked.

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Speaker 1: He looks in great shape. Last time we saw him, right,

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Speaker 1: he looked like he kind of like he'd really taken

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Speaker 1: the off season seriously, like was doing everything needed.

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Speaker 2: I talk to some people that say that suggest the

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Speaker 2: pitch shapes and everything looks good.

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Speaker 1: He's not effective right now, and that's just baseball, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like you can't assume that these guys are going to

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Speaker 1: be key parts of the rotation, which is why you

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Speaker 1: need depth, which is why they signed guys like Colin

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Speaker 1: Ray and Chris Flexen. So when we go through this

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Speaker 1: every year where fans are like, why are they adding

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Speaker 1: this guy? Why do you need John Birdie, Why do

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Speaker 1: you need Colin Ray? This is why, Like Birdie's been important,

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Speaker 1: and so's Colin Ray. I think it's a you know, obviously, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: the most interesting aspect that we can talk about is

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Speaker 1: Cad Horton, Right, is he a real option to fill

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Speaker 1: Imnaga's spot? What did you hear when you were in Wrigley.

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Speaker 3: So there are the words that Cub's officials said, and

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Speaker 3: then there was kind of like the tone in which

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Speaker 3: they said it, and both Jed Hoyer and Craig Counsel

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Speaker 3: said Horton is an option. It's hard to tell sometimes

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Speaker 3: what is just Craig Council's sort of normal default setting,

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Speaker 3: and what is him being annoyed at the Horton questions

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Speaker 3: or just sort of being I just of when you're

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Speaker 3: talking about someone who's not on the team, it means

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Speaker 3: that someone who's currently on the team could be out

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Speaker 3: the door, right.

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Speaker 4: I think he's sort of sensitive to that.

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Speaker 3: And I will say too, circling back to something I

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Speaker 3: said earlier, like it is challenging to talk about these injuries, right,

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Speaker 3: Like a lot of it is just being patient and

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Speaker 3: kind of waiting to see what's going to happen. And

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Speaker 3: that's part of it here with Horton, Like they don't

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Speaker 3: know exactly how long Im and Igua will be out,

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Speaker 3: but you kind of want to know roughly how many

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Speaker 3: starts you're gonna have to cover.

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Speaker 4: And you could.

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Speaker 3: On Saturday in New York do Chris Flexen and sort

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Speaker 3: of a bullpen game. You have a day off scheduled

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Speaker 3: for Thursday. There are actually a few Thursdays that are

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Speaker 4: There are ways to sort of maneuver.

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Speaker 3: We saw how good Council was in Milwaukee, with some

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Speaker 3: of those bullpen style games. But we also know that

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Speaker 3: Council always tries to build an extra rest for all

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Speaker 3: of his starters. And as Jed said yesterday, like it's

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Speaker 3: the it's sinko to Mayo, we got a long way

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Speaker 3: to go. Like pushing your pitchers that hard this early

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Speaker 3: in the season, there's going to be a cost to

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Speaker 3: that down the line. And everything Council focuses on is

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Speaker 3: kind of on preservation and making sure the team hits

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Speaker 3: its stride come September. And you know, at this point

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Speaker 3: the Cubs have to be planning as if they're going

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Speaker 3: to be playing deep into October.

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Speaker 4: So it's hard to.

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Speaker 3: Tell, like how much of this is an internal debate,

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Speaker 3: like is Kate Horton ready? Is he best served you know,

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Speaker 3: working like really sharpening his pitches at a lower level,

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Speaker 3: knowing full well that he has not had a huge

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Speaker 3: volume of innings, whether it was in college at Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: They've talked a lot about having this foundation, and so

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Speaker 3: what I don't know is how much is it sort

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Speaker 3: of just a natural back and forth. How much of

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Speaker 3: it is like kind of asking questions or being a

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Speaker 3: devil's advocate. I think we both agree he's coming up soon.

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Speaker 3: We just don't know if it's going to be this Saturday,

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Speaker 3: or maybe you kind of find him that softer landing spot,

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Speaker 3: you know, not at City Field on a Fox National

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Speaker 1: Right, there's some things I want to touch on right there.

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Speaker 1: Patrick cad horton the debate, I think you touched on

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Speaker 1: some things that I think are worth talking about building

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Speaker 1: up innings, right, He's he's thrown back to back six

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Speaker 1: inning outings. He'd never thrown six innings in a game,

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Speaker 1: in a professional game until those back to back outings.

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Speaker 1: He has I want to say, under one hundred or

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Speaker 1: under two hundred professional innings under his belt. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: could be I could be wrong on that, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to double check that right now. But my

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Speaker 1: point is ultimately what we're talking about when it comes

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Speaker 1: to when it comes to how they look at pitchers

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Speaker 1: and developing them and whether they're ready for the big leagues.

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Speaker 2: This is a very different like calculus that.

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Speaker 1: They use than they did five years ago, ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: of all, the Cubs. The Cubs philosophy is shifting how

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Speaker 1: them being a little bit more aggressive, pushing him, right,

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Speaker 1: Nazia Mulay, Jackson Wiggins. These are two of the younger,

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Speaker 1: super talented pitchers. They're pushing them with their pitch count

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Speaker 1: of rudimentary. I guess you could say they have all

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Speaker 1: these wearables that we've talked about that that spit out

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Speaker 1: is tiring, whether a guy is feeling good. You can

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Speaker 1: see it, Oh, his arm slot is dropping, or or

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Speaker 1: he's compensating in this way, his the spin is changing

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Speaker 1: on his pitches, his workouts aren't as intense, or or

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Speaker 1: he's tiring quickly in workouts. Like even off the field,

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Speaker 1: stuff is being measured and it tells them something about

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Speaker 1: how the player is feeling, so like going off his

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Speaker 1: innings is not is not going to be the main

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Speaker 2: I think. I think what you have to look at

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Speaker 2: is it's as simple as is he ready to get

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Speaker 2: major league hitters? Out right? I think that's that may

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Speaker 2: be the bottom line. There are I think there are.

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Speaker 1: Things I understand, like having the kind of having your

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Speaker 1: stuff that that type of stuff is important too, Right,

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Speaker 1: So when you talk about giving them a soft landing,

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Speaker 1: all those things, I think that's important. I think I

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Speaker 1: good lineup like that's that's a lot to handle on

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Speaker 1: a national broadcast, like you pointed out, so that that

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Speaker 1: may if you can avoid that, why why force it?

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Speaker 1: Maybe see what Chris Flexen can do. Get get four

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Speaker 2: Uh but.

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Speaker 1: Like just looking just saying you can't do it because

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Speaker 1: he has I just looked at it. It's under two

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Speaker 1: hundred innings, because he has that many innings. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that that's how the philosophy is anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's just not what they say, like Kenny.

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Speaker 7: Get out and maybe he has limited innings in his

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Speaker 7: professional career, so you want to maximize it. If he's ready,

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Speaker 7: go out and get major league hitters out.

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Speaker 1: Now you can do that, So why are we wasting

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's what they That's some of the

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Speaker 1: that's some of the debate that goes on.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I think what you were saying there is absolutely accurate,

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe maybe you're right that Council just

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Speaker 1: likes to present this other point of view. He likes

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Speaker 1: to like maybe he wants Kate Horton up. Maybe he's

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Speaker 1: he also likes he's like, hey, are we thinking about this?

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Speaker 2: So we what about this aspect? Have we considered this?

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Speaker 2: Are we rushing him? If we do? This? Is this

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Speaker 2: part right? Ready? All? I think that's that very well

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Speaker 2: could be the case, But I don't know. I'm not

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I mean Jed Hoyer as well acknowledged

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Speaker 3: the sort of final box that Horton has to check developmentally,

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Speaker 3: is just constantly throwing competitive misses, sorry, competitive pitches, Like

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Speaker 3: you're gonna miss sometimes, you're not gonna be perfect, but

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Speaker 3: like you just have.

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Speaker 4: To be in and around the zone consistently.

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Speaker 3: And that Horton is so gifted and triple A hitters,

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Speaker 3: are you know, not at a level where or basically

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Speaker 3: And that being in a one two count or being

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Speaker 3: if you look at it, you know, kind of analytically

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Speaker 3: over the course of the long season, and that Horton,

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Speaker 3: because he's missed these used chunks of time, maybe isn't

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Speaker 4: What you have because the upside is so great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I we should see him soon.

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Speaker 1: Like, it doesn't make sense to me to not if

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Speaker 1: he's healthy, he like, he's he's he's improving too, right,

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Speaker 1: He's back to his twenty twenty three self.

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Speaker 2: As far as stuff he's he's.

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Speaker 1: The walk rate is dropping each time he goes out,

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Speaker 1: to the point where I wouldn't say it's there yet,

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Speaker 2: What does he have to learn a triple A?

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Speaker 1: It's not quite there yet, but it's close. And now

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Speaker 1: there's a need. I think the conversations I was having

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Speaker 1: before this were where a lot of like, he's you know,

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Speaker 1: you could make the argument that he's ready. There are

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Speaker 1: people in the organization that believe he's ready. But where

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Speaker 1: does he fit in the rotation right now? Like you

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Speaker 1: and is as simple as this. Their depth is hurting, right,

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Speaker 1: They're they're pitching. Depth is hurting. If you take Ben

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Speaker 1: What does he what does he have to prove there?

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Speaker 1: What's he learning from going to triple A? And if

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Speaker 1: you're not taking and if you're not sending him to

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Speaker 1: Now you just now you're losing length, right, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: Now you need Ben Brown. But I'm just saying like,

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Speaker 1: make him a reliever right now because you need that length.

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Speaker 1: Now now there's an obvious spot. Now you don't even

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Speaker 1: need to have this debate like where does he fit?

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Speaker 1: It's like here's the spot, and if he comes up

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: Was this was that Madden's thing like these are good problems,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like three shortstops, Yeah, like, oh three short fit

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Speaker 3: and it sorted itself out.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, I think Patrick, like beyond coming up for the

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Speaker 2: You you you talk to people about this.

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Speaker 1: I believe like this is a good environment to come

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 3: We we are recording on a Tuesday morning, so the

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Speaker 3: Cubs have game Tuesday night, Wednesday afternoon Friday night before

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Speaker 3: this kind of show to Horton spot comes available. We

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Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen, right Like there could

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Speaker 3: so whether it's Saturday or a couple of days later,

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Speaker 3: like Wharton's going to be up this year, as long

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Speaker 4: Of You know, you have.

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Speaker 3: Two very well regarded catchers who care about pitchers and

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Speaker 3: are also producing at an unbelievable rate offensively. You have

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Speaker 3: one of the most talked about players in baseball. You

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Speaker 3: a team that's just performing well. So it's not like

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Speaker 3: you have to be the savior. Craig Counsel is someone

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Speaker 3: think it gets pretty easy to talk yourself into Kate Horton.

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Speaker 4: Why not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you present it like that and it

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Speaker 1: no reason to overthink something sometimes I think, you know, ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I think like there's no doubt we're seeing him this year,

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Speaker 1: My gut is ultimately telling me it's going to be

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Speaker 1: It just it makes a lot of sense. I think

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Speaker 1: don't think that's a strong argument right now because he

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Speaker 1: You need the best players up. Kate Horton, it looks

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Speaker 2: That's what it looks like. I think it's as simple

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Speaker 1: Patrick, I don't like, and I think they're eventually going

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Speaker 1: to come to that conclusion.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think the people that we've talked to that that

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Speaker 2: This was coming. We'll see what it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they're going to Maybe they announce

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Speaker 1: it like after Friday's start, right it's maybe it'll be

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Speaker 1: one of those things where they like to wait, especially council,

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Speaker 1: Like it's not just council like Ross used to do

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Speaker 1: this too. You just wait, Let's see what happens, right,

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Speaker 1: we don't need to make a decision. Let's not make

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Speaker 1: the decision like maybe they have. They're like, they have

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Speaker 1: the scenarios. If this this and this happens, here's what

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Speaker 1: You know, that's probably how they have it planned out

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Speaker 2: And then what we'll know Friday evening is my guess.

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Speaker 2: After the start, they'll say so and so is starting tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I imagine how the rest of the

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Speaker 4: They almost have to.

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Speaker 3: And if he's this good, if you think he could

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Speaker 3: in the second half, why not started this process a

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Speaker 4: When you don't need him to be an ace.

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Speaker 3: And I think circling back to what you had said

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Speaker 3: misleading concept, Like I go back to Garrett Crochet last year,

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Speaker 3: like he hitched a lot without having kind of a

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Speaker 3: traditional foundation, and I think as an industry, you're kind

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's interesting you brought that up because Crochet was

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Speaker 1: the example that I brought up while talking to some

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Speaker 1: the answers, Like that's the main gate, Like they just

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Speaker 1: don't like what you just said is so true.

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Speaker 2: They don't.

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Speaker 1: It's not like they're one hundred percent sure that none

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Speaker 1: of it. It's just like why should we go off

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Speaker 1: innings like that's that's like we have more information. I

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Speaker 1: think this is probably better information, but we don't really

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Speaker 1: know if that you know the exact way to do it,

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Speaker 1: because it's still the hardest thing to figure out for them.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that you just touched on before we go,

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Speaker 1: I just want to like kind of building him up,

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Speaker 1: getting him ready, Like you want him to have some

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Speaker 1: hiccups maybe or no know what it's like the majors,

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Speaker 1: So this is their schedule after the Mets, it's Miami

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Speaker 1: White Sox, Miami, Cincinnati, Colorado, Cincinnati, Washington and then it

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Speaker 1: gets hard again with Detroit and Phil Help. But that's

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Speaker 1: that's a bunch of series right there where it's not

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Speaker 1: like overwhelming competition, terrifying offenses, nothing like that is there

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Speaker 1: just yet, so you you could get him A couple

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Speaker 1: starts to be like, this is the majors, this is

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Speaker 1: what it's like, and then the competition starts to get

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Speaker 1: tougher and you see what you can do. Right, But

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Speaker 1: I think that that makes sense as a landing spot

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Speaker 1: for him.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if the Cubs agree.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, but I think like it seems like it's

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Speaker 1: a good, good landing spot coming up. All right, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: we'll have more episodes this week. We'll see if we

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Speaker 1: have any any news on Horton. Like we said, I

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Speaker 1: probably not come until till later in the week or

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Speaker 1: after the week wraps up. Thanks so much for listening everyone.

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