1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Yo Yo Yo Yo. 2 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, 3 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: as always so much for tuning in. Let's hear it 4 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: for the Man, the Myth, the Legend. I'm gonna pull 5 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: a random one here, Noel h Max Plastic Whip Williams. 6 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: Whoa the Man, the Myth, the Mystery, Max Shmo Yo 7 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: Yo Yo Williams. 8 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Now, that is none other than the legendary Noel Brown. 9 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: They called me Ben Bullen in this neck of the woods. 10 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: We tease this episode. A few weeks back. We were 11 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: talking about pong, which led us to exploring ping pong analog. 12 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: Right right, right, right right, And now Noel, you are 13 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: our research associate for this episode, and thank you so much. Man. 14 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: It turns out we're both pretty into yo yo's. Did 15 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 1: you have that phase as a child. 16 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: I was never any good at it, always fascinated by it. 17 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 2: Definitely have owned a yo yo or two in my day, 18 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: but I never really could master any of the tricks. 19 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: And it was kind of similar to my fascination with 20 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: stage magic. You know, it's a I don't know, I. 21 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: Like a trick, Ben, I like a trick that's very 22 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: hip hop of you. 23 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: Well, your intro is very hip hop, and let's just 24 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: think we're talking about hip hop. 25 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 1: Though yo yo ing has become cool again, it would seem. 26 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: And there's some very zeitgeiste figures that are into yo 27 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: yo's that are in these days and they're bringing it back. 28 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: But that's not really anything new because the history of 29 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: the humble yo yo is littered riddled. Dare I say 30 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: to take a page out of the stuff they don't 31 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: want you to know intro with celebrity endorsements and you know, 32 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: very spectacular displays of yo yo prowess. So whether you 33 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: yourself cut your teeth walking the dog in the yo 34 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: yo parlance or rocking the baby also in the yo 35 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: yo parlance, I might be getting that a little bit 36 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: mixed up. 37 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: That's the one where you hold it up and you 38 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: have the streams swing, yes, trying like a pendulum. 39 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: You could also maybe rock the dog or walk the baby, 40 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: depending or you might even have then correctly learned that 41 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: the yo yo was used as an ancient hunting weapon 42 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: for like clubbing seals or something. The humble yo yo 43 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: has likely crossed your radar in one fashion or another. 44 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: But the history of the ooyo, as we often come 45 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: around to in topics we discuss on ridiculous history and 46 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: stuff they don't want you to know, is the story 47 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: of genius marketing as much as it is one of 48 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: invention and some pretty rad tricks. So today we bring 49 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: you the ridiculous history of the yo yo or don't 50 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: be a shmo yo, Try a yo yo? 51 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: Before we go on. I really like the title of this, 52 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: and I'm a fan of giving people flowers while they're 53 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: still around to get the flowers. This title is awesome. 54 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Can you see it one more time? Oh, don't be 55 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: a shmo yo, Try a yo yo. 56 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: Got a comma in there, just to make sure shmo 57 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: yo isn't one where I Also, I've been rewatching a 58 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: lot of curb lately, and he loves he calls people 59 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: a shmo yo sometimes, if I'm not mistaken LD. 60 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: So let's just jump right into the origin of the 61 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: yo yo. We're not quite sure. 62 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: Historians differ, and there's a lot of miss info out 63 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: there that may also itself be the product of some 64 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: marketing spin. Not quite sure how far the yo yo 65 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: dates back. What we do know is that there were 66 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 2: as far back as four hundred and five hundred PC 67 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: Greece images depicted in various you know, frescoes and the like, 68 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: depicting the use of something resembling the yo yo. 69 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so we're looking at carving's right, not written descriptions. 70 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: Were carving frescoes, you know, not cave paintings, but the 71 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: visual visual depictions. 72 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: Okay, So a circle and a line. 73 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: Something along those lines, that's right, something along both circles 74 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: and lines. Yoyo's do exist in the Metropolitan Museum of 75 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: Arts Fletcher Fund collection from this period. But a lot 76 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: of countries have claimed to have invented this thing, and there, 77 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 2: as we often see in history, seems to be a 78 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: lot of parallel thinking around a little circular thing with 79 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: an axle in the middle and a string attached to 80 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: it that you can fling around in various ways. Some 81 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: historians argue about multiple sites of origin, like I was 82 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: just saying currently. However, the most accepted theory as that 83 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: it originated in Asia around one thousand BCE. Although there 84 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: aren't any records of the yo yo in Asia during 85 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: this period. The yoyo as we know it today, there 86 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: is something called the diabolo, the Chinese yo yo as 87 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: it is known in English, and you're our Chinese expert here, Ben, 88 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: maybe you can help with these pronunciations. It goes by 89 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: two different names. 90 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: I am definitely not an expert. This is definitely Chinese. 91 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: We can confirm that the two different names would be 92 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: a sell lib and omu go my man. 93 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: Both of these terms refer to the same object and 94 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: can be interchangeable depending on the region. So it literally 95 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: does translate to pulling bell or pulling ring, which is 96 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 2: very descriptive of the action of pulling the string to 97 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: make this object spin. 98 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: So this is maybe a little more Ben. 99 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: You've probably seen these like a top where you sort 100 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: of wind it up and rip the cord and then 101 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: the thing spins on its end. I'm thinking that's rings 102 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: about theolo. 103 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, for the pulley bell or the shit. 104 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: That's that seems accurate. It reminds me a little bit 105 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: of those toys that may have been before your time, 106 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: the ring fighter things. I can't remember the name, but 107 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: you you pulled the string or you pulled like a 108 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: plastic tab and they rolled around in a little arena. Yeah, 109 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: that's right. I think those are. 110 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: Gosh, hold on a second, there's something Matt like Matt's 111 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: Kid like those, or there was a more modern version. 112 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: It was like, I think, out of Japan, and it 113 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: had a lot of trading cards associated with it and 114 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: a lot of culture. Now I'm totally spacing on the name, 115 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: and I know people out there are screaming their podcast device. 116 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: It's okay, you're don't have to scream, folks, We'll figure 117 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: it out. We also know the second meaning that you 118 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: alluded to for dia bolo is hung shot, which is. 119 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: Empty bamboo, empty bamboo, which likely refers to the hollow nature. 120 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Of the objects. 121 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: And this is coming to us from a really great 122 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: blog post by Lingo Ace all about Chinese yoyo tradition's 123 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: history and tricks. And so when we see folks demonstrating 124 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: what the da bolo would have been, it typically is 125 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: more like two sticks with strings attached to it, looped 126 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: around a large item which has got the rounded shape 127 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: on either side that tapers in the middle, and then 128 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: you kind of use it to make the thing dance 129 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: across the stro. 130 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: This is like a rave, it's a little it is 131 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: a still devil. Sticks coded I'm not gonna hacky sack. 132 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: Well yeah, well hackey sack of Jason. 133 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: I think the yo yo, we can all argue, definitely 134 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: falls squarely into that camp. But during the l parallel 135 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: parallel thinking, to be sure, Ben, But during the late 136 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: eighteenth century we start to see examples of this popping 137 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: up in France. Of course, as they do in France, 138 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: they had to fancify it, so these versions were made 139 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: out of glass or ivory and were called the de Normandy. 140 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: We've got some citations from Britannica on that one, and 141 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: Duncan Toys you may know as kind of the king 142 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: of the yo yo, or at least the popularizer of 143 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 2: the yo yo. And they've definitely come back into their 144 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: own as far as the modern types and spin no 145 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 2: pun intended on. 146 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: The yo yo. 147 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: But they have a great section on their website talking 148 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: about the history of the yo yo, and they talk about. 149 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: A picture of King Louis the XVIII. What's that one, Ben? 150 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: Is that thirteenth twelfth, fourteenth? You know me and them Roman. 151 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: Nomes things I appreciate. So he wasn't the son king, 152 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: he was a couple kings. Later shows him playing with 153 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 2: a yo yo as a child. We also have historical 154 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: documents showing the yoyo was popular to pass the time 155 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: during the French Revolution, like they needed something to do 156 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: to pass the time. I guess in between stormings, right. 157 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: Right, Well, not everybody can own a full working guillotine, 158 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: so you gotta you gotta have something to do with 159 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: your hands, right, God has something to do you with 160 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: your hands while you still got him. 161 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: You did start to see the depictions of this and 162 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: paintings into the eighteen hundreds. And I believe our buddy 163 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: who was scared of rabbits, Napoleon was tossed it around 164 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: a yo yo before the Battle of water I guess 165 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: he wasn't scared of rabbits. 166 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: He was just sort of mobbed by rabbits. He was unprepared. 167 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: He was unprepared historically on many levels. But also he 168 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: wasn't a dumb guy. And what a flex to walk 169 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: around before you go into Waterloo. I know you just 170 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: have a yo yo. No, that's that's an intimidation. 171 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: I think it's a bit of a power move ben 172 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: In England, according to Britannica, it was referred to as 173 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: the bandalore or I love this one because it just 174 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: kind of makes like an automatopoia a quiz. 175 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so you would say, oh, let me have my quiz. 176 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: I love that it's so English, and I think Jonathan 177 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: strictly aka the Quizzer would approve an illustration depicted the 178 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: Prince of Wales. Later, George the Fourth got that one 179 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: right playing with his yo yo, and so it became 180 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: a hit with the jet seestying. I guess they didn't 181 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: have jests, but you know what I mean, fashionistas of 182 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: the time. Uh, the popularity of the toy a lot 183 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: like I guess lawn tennis, which preceded table tennis or 184 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: ping pong, started to enter the ranks of the nobility, 185 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: leading to a lot of references during this period, a 186 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: lot of them in political cartoons. 187 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: Showing this as a bit of a pastime of the swells. Now, 188 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: in your research yournal, you've included some drawings of the time, 189 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: some political cartoons, and I think we love to describe them. 190 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: What are the first is? I love it is a 191 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: unfortunate situation with an older school marmed type and she's 192 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: been a sailed two boys, she's been menaced sailed by 193 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: two boys. Children throwing yo yo's, and it's called The 194 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: caption reads. 195 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: The sensation boll wow, the laziest pleasantry in the public streets. 196 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: Yo yo as the rage in the sixties, rude boys perhaps. 197 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: Doing around the world. 198 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: I think that's an eighteen pretty basic that's right, the eighteens, 199 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 2: pretty basic trick A lot of people might be familiar with, 200 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: where you take the thing, you fling it out and 201 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: then you pull it and you kind of do a 202 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: loopy loop with it, and then you pull it back 203 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: into your hand. We would be remiss if we did 204 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: not point out that the reason all of this works 205 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: is because of centripetal force and gravity. 206 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: Ah yes, gravity, our old nemesis, and energy which can 207 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: neither be created nor destroyed. 208 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 2: And it's it's basically, if I'm not mistaken, then it's 209 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: kind of preserved in the motion of the of the 210 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: yo yo and when you kind of yank it, that 211 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: energy allows it to travel back up the string. 212 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: Nailed it hold of one, just so, I mean, if 213 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: we walk the dog out here, though, I've got a 214 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: question for you, Noel. It sounds like parallel thinking teaches 215 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: us that the Mediterranean and parts of East Asia discover 216 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: the yo yo discovered that centrepetal force on their own, 217 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: and that it became popularized in Europe. But how did 218 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: it get to the United States. 219 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question, Ben, And we do have 220 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: a couple other fun images kind of showing these very 221 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: bougie French folks playing with their toys. 222 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: And it's funny. 223 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: The article that I referenced earlier are actually let me 224 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: reference this one specifically. I haven't yet doc Lucky's History 225 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 2: of the yo yo Lucky Meisenheimer, MD, who wrote a 226 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: book called Lucky's Collector's Guide to twentieth century Yoyo's histories 227 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: and Values. He's also the former chairman of the American 228 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: Yoyo Association's History and Collecting Committee, so he knows a 229 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: thing or two about the yo yo. And he points 230 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 2: out that a lot of these images from the period 231 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: that we're talking about here in Europe depicted adults playing 232 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: with this, and it sort of trickled down to the kids, 233 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: because you mentioned the one with the young whipper snappers 234 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: or the rude boys messing around with this older lady. 235 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: But most of the images did show old folks, older folks, 236 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: adults playing with these as a sign of kind of 237 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: like this was a pastime of the well to do 238 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: who were able to exercise their leisure time in this way. 239 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: Now you're too worried about the war, my friend, you 240 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: should do what I do. Take us slow constitutional in 241 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: the afternoon, go to the Angerrarium and witness your rented 242 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: pineapple and dangle quiz Tangle your quiz perfect. 243 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: We got there, so you asked about how it kind 244 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: of got to what we know today. November of eighteen 245 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: sixty six, we've got James el Haven and Charles Hittrick 246 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: of Cincinnati, Ohio, who get the first patent for a 247 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: yo yo in the United States, and it was described 248 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: It described the patent a yo yo as coupled together 249 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: or as being coupled together at their centers by means 250 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: of a clutch. It was also the first time a 251 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: method called rim waiting was mentioned in the patent, and 252 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: it specifically said, it will be observed that the marginals 253 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: swell sea. The sea is being the exhibit in the patent. 254 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: Magery exercises the function of a flywheel. Flywheel being kind 255 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: of like a Pulley system of ropes and gears that 256 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: you would use to maybe operate scenes in a scenery 257 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: in a play, or you know, part curtains and things 258 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: like that. 259 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: Right, And so what we're saying here, folks, is that 260 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: for thousands of years, various civilizations came up with something 261 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: like this, but the rubber hits the road, right, or 262 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: the stream hits the yo When we talk about the 263 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: idea of patenting. 264 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: Design and the Yo Yo Museum as a piece titled 265 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: the Brief History A Brief History of the yo Yo 266 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: and got some really fun info from that one as well. 267 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: They point out that the real importance of the patent 268 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: is that it suggests the very first use of patents 269 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: to protect design improvements from what we know more as 270 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: the historical version of the yoyo in the manufacturing of 271 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: a yo yo. So that's pretty neat. We start to 272 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: see the aforementioned haven and hetrick really entering into the 273 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: business of mass producing yoyos. 274 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: So for thousands of years, different civilizations figured out something 275 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: like a yo yo, and then later it gets patented 276 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: and enters mass manufacture. I think a lot of us 277 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: listening tonight are going to be wondering if the yo 278 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: yos of the past were like the fidget spinners or 279 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: the rosaries of today. 280 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: Right. 281 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: We've also often asked the question about how come there's 282 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: not one person credited. 283 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: With like the fidget spinner. 284 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: We do know that patents can't expire as well and 285 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: get entered into the public domain as well as you know, trademarks. 286 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: It's a question for another day, but I think you're 287 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: getting at something. We also tease this idea of was 288 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: this thing used as a hunting implement? 289 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: Right, That's that's something he alluded to at the top. 290 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: I say we dive in because no, I don't know 291 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: much about this. I remember vaguely hearing stuff about Southeast Asia. 292 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: That's right, the Philippines in particular, a famous This is 293 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: a really I'm gonna pull a lot from this, or 294 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: we're gonna pull a lot from Lucky's the history of 295 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: the yo yo. Because this guy really is, I would argue, 296 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: probably the pre eminent yo yo scholar. 297 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: He's on the committee. 298 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 2: He's on the committee, and he also points out that 299 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: he himself is responsible for spreading some of the misinformation 300 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: that we're talking about. 301 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: He owns up to that. 302 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: I would go ahead and just find this whole article 303 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: and read Lucky Meisenheimer MD's piece where He goes into 304 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 2: a lot of these various conflicting histories of the yo 305 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: yo and the way he himself may have contributed to 306 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: some of that. But he points out that the claim 307 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: that the yo yo I'm just going to quote directly 308 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: from his writing was used as a weapon in the 309 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: Philippines isn't new. This has been the subject of much 310 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 2: debate over the last several decades. The Duncan Yo Yo 311 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: Company also used the weapon narrative as a promotional gimmick, 312 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: but behind the scenes they themselves recognized that this was 313 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: likely not true. We're going to get into Duncan in 314 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: a little bit, but I just thought we'd get this 315 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: part out of the way because it's a lot of fun. 316 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 2: One early yo yo demonstrator for the Duncan Company claimed 317 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: that he was the one who made up the story 318 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: in the first place. However, there is good evidence to 319 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: support that the yo yo was a weapon in the Philippines, 320 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: however not necessarily used in the way you might think so. 321 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 2: The story, as it goes the idea of this being 322 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: a century's old Filipino hunting device, describes a hunter, you know, 323 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: finding a refuge or a secret spot in a tree, 324 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: fortifying himself as so he can like kind of hide 325 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: from his target, holding a heavy, oversized yo yo, waiting 326 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: for his prey to pass below, and at the critical moment, 327 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: the yoyo would be flung, hurled, and balk the animal 328 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: right on the head, presumably killing it or knocking it out, 329 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: and then allowing it to return to the hunter, especially 330 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: if he missed and needed a second. 331 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: Shot, a boomerang on a string a bit of that. 332 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: However, Meisenheimer points out that the physics of the yoyo 333 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: make this pretty improbable that that would work. However, there 334 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: is no question that something like a yoyo existed in 335 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 2: the Philippines for quite a long time. There isn't any 336 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: documented evidence that it was used as a hunting tool 337 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 2: in this exact way. There is, however, evidence that the 338 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: Duncan Company popularized this themselves as a bit of a 339 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: gimmick in promoting the yo yo, it would seem Meisenheimer 340 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: says that the hunting origin is pure fantasy. It was 341 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: a memorable story and helped to sell yo yo's. The 342 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: hunting origin of the toy was printed so often, as 343 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: is often the case, that it has become an urban legend. However, 344 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: he also points out that it is there is evidence 345 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: that it was used as a weapon in some fashion, 346 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: though not the way we might think or the way 347 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 2: that was just described, Ben, think of think of it 348 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: as a way to like hide a string like a garrot. 349 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: Remember those where you like you got the creepy assassin 350 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: coming up behind you and strangling you with piano wire 351 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: after like. 352 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: Hey, might be a great guy. You know, true that 353 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: all assassins are creepy. No, it's true, just getting situations 354 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: and not all creeps are assassins. Max, what you got 355 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: to jump in here? 356 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you can get a yo yo. 357 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 3: But in the hit Man series, the video game where 358 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 3: you you know, play as an assassin, Oh, I love 359 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 3: that one, you can get very You can get a 360 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 3: garat obviously it comes like pretty standard. But you can 361 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: get like you know, like ear bud cables and stuff 362 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: like that. 363 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: You can use for that. I don't know if you 364 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: can get a yoyo though. Okay, all right, well we 365 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: have some notes for you creators of hit Man. We 366 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: also know again it goes back to what you're saying 367 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: about parallel thinking, right, and about corporations wanting to sell stuff. 368 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: When I'm hearing this myth perpetrated by Duncan, which, as 369 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: you said, we'll get into in a moment, it reminds 370 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: me of those back pages of old school comic books 371 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: and you know, boy Scout type magazines where they would say, 372 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: we'll sell you a pair of nun Chucks and will 373 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: train you in the agent art. And right next to that, 374 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: I sound elderly now, but right next to that sometimes 375 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: there would be an ad for the Filipino art of 376 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: the yo yo. 377 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: Sure well, speaking of that man or to that point, 378 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: I'd mentioned that our expert here pointed out that there 379 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: is written evidence that it was used as some kind 380 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 2: of weapon, and that comes from an eighteen eighty eight 381 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: letter by doctor Jose Rizol, a Filipino national hero, who 382 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: wrote of his transatlantic voyage from America to England. Quote, 383 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: I am barked for your aboard the city of Rome, 384 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: said to be the second largest steamer on earth. At 385 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: the end of the voyage, a periodical is printed on board. 386 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 2: I met many people here, and as I had with 387 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 2: me a yo Yo, the Europeans and Americans were astonished 388 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 2: to see how I used it as a weapon of attack. 389 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: I think he's being cute. 390 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: I think he may well be ben but it is 391 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: it is evidence we can point to. Meisenheimer goes on. 392 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: So unless you want to dispute one of the most 393 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: famous Filipino historical figures writing, the question becomes not was 394 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 2: the yoyo used as a weapon in the Philippines, but 395 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 2: how was it used? So this is a point of 396 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: much speculation. I think we pointed out one possible use. 397 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: Another would be the thick leather cord of a particular 398 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: design of yo yo, perhaps used like a sarong in 399 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: martial arts, which is sort of that garat kind of situation, 400 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: and the suggestion that this mechanism allowed it. 401 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 1: To be concealed. 402 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: And there also appears to be a kind of startorial 403 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 2: version of this, where the thick leather cord of a 404 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: particular design of yoyo might have been used to like 405 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: wrap a or you know, sort of a stand in 406 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: for like underwear of some kind. Doctor Rissol had training 407 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 2: in martial arts, and it suggested that this is the 408 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: mechanism he used the yoyo as a weapon. It's basically 409 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 2: a concealed weapon. 410 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: Okay. I also think Risol, who is a national hero 411 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: of the Philippines. I also think he was being a 412 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: bit diplomatic when he was on this transatlantic voyage, and 413 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: maybe he was conversationally disarming people. 414 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: I think you're right, Ben, I do think you're right, 415 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: but I did think it was worth mentioning. So now 416 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: as we've already teased Ben, we've got mister Duncan entering 417 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: the chat. 418 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: Which is I think a name inextricably linked for all 419 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: time to the yo Yo. Yes, yeah, if you had 420 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: a yo yo in the United States, you probably had 421 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: one from Donald F. Duncan, Chicago businessman who read into 422 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: his first yo Yo on a business trip to San 423 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: Francisco in nineteen twenty eight, and the person he saw 424 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: using the yo yo was a guy named Pedro Flores, 425 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: recently arrived from the Philippines. 426 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: For sure, he had already begun selling a toy labeled 427 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: with the name yo Yo, meaning come come in the 428 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 2: native language of the Philippines, which I guess that that 429 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 2: that's Trigallas. I think that's right, Ben, I'm not one 430 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: hundred percent sure. I do have another source from the 431 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: Smithsonian and they just refer to the native language of 432 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: the Philippines. So there may well be more than one, 433 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: but tone languages for sure. For sure, yoyo does what 434 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: I know of tagalag that does kind of track. 435 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. So it's 436 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty nine. We're in the early days of that 437 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: year and Floory's has, as you said, he's created this 438 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: company Yo Yo Come Come. He gets his financing, he 439 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: gets his investors, his backers, and he makes correct me yournal. 440 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: He makes more than one hundred thousand of these toys yep. 441 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: Carved out of wood. He trademarks the name yo Yo, 442 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 2: and then he realizes a real kicker that this definitely 443 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: becomes part of the Duncan model. I think we all 444 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: know this. It is not something that is intuitively easy 445 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: to do well right, playing with the yo Yo. It's tricky. 446 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: You got to kind of know what you're doing. You 447 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: gotta have practice, and you first of all have to 448 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 2: be shown how to do it. So he assembles a 449 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 2: crack team of yo Yo masters to demonstrate some basic 450 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: tricks and get people on board with this toy. 451 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: You too can walk the dog. And this is where 452 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: our buddy Duncan comes into play. All right, So we've 453 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: seen this out on the West Coast. He is a marketer, 454 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: he is an entrepreneur, and get this, he is already 455 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: a manufacturer of wooden novelty items and toys, so he 456 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: has the infrastructure to make this happen. 457 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just reminds me of the movie The Hudsucker 458 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 2: Proxy about the sort of like fanciful version of the 459 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: introduction of the hula hoop, and they keep saying, you know, 460 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: for kids, but they have a real hard time in 461 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: the movie figuring out how. 462 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: To sell the thing. 463 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: It's basically just a hoop, and it takes this one 464 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 2: kid on the street picking it up and starting to 465 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 2: shimmy it around his hips before all the other kids 466 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: see him do it, and then they got to do 467 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 2: it too. 468 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: They got to figure out how to do it. They 469 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: got to get one. That's what kicks off the craze. 470 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: So demonstration is key here and he Duncan raises five 471 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: thousand bucks, which a lot of money at that time. Gosh, 472 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: we should probably do an inflation calculator and a dude 473 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: a boop five thousand In nineteen thirty two money is 474 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: around one hundred and eighteen thousand, seven hundred and five 475 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 2: dollars and eleven cents roughly today. 476 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: And with this windfall, Duncan, as we have it here 477 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 1: in the notes, secures Flores's remaining assets. He also acquires 478 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: that trademark Yo Yo. The trademark will not expire until 479 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: decades and decades later in nineteen sixty five, and competing 480 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: plastic yo yos begin to outsell the wooden ones. That's 481 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: what happens in the mid nineteen sixties. But for decades 482 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: Duncan was the monopoly man of yo yo's, and they 483 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: were mostly wooden, and they mostly came from this one 484 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: guy's company, yep. 485 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: And he took Flores's lead and did the very same 486 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: thing in terms of assembling these demonstration crews. Who would 487 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: go to school, who would you know, hang out in 488 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 2: Times not Times Square, but like you know, public parks 489 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: and maybe Times Square, various places in New York City 490 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: as well street as well as on the West Coast 491 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: exactly been. But the real marketing genius comes when he 492 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: approaches a guy you might have heard of, mister William 493 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 2: Randolph Hurst, the owner of the country's largest chain of newspapers, 494 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: and he decides that to offer kind of a trade 495 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: sort of put his money where his mouth is in 496 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: a way, or at the very least say I've got 497 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: an idea for you, mister Hurst, how we can do 498 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: some in we can help each other out. He comes 499 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: up with the idea to launch the yo yo and 500 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: feature them in newspaper ads advertising yo yo competitions. He 501 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: proposed to mister Hurst that if Hurst gave him free 502 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: advertising space, he could help increase the papers circulations through 503 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: these advertisements because he had the genius idea of it 504 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: be a caveat of entering. A prerequisite for entering the 505 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: contest that kids had to sell two to three subscriptions 506 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: to the newspaper. 507 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, and we also have to shout out. It 508 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: just hit me now reading through research here, it just 509 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: hit me. That's why yo yo's became such a trope 510 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: in later political cartoons. Absolutely because you would have a 511 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: yo yo competition entirely tied in with the empire of 512 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: William Randolph Hurst. Oh that's brilliant. Oh I feel so cold, 513 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: It's pretty Yeah, it's chilly for sure. 514 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: Hurst is a little bit on the fence about this, 515 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: so he decides to test it in a little bit 516 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: of a pilot experiment just using his Chicago newspaper, and 517 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: in six weeks, the popularity of the Yo Yo and 518 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 2: these competitions sold him fifty thousand new subscriptions, which gave 519 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: him the confidence he needed to give Duncan free ad 520 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: space and his papers all around the nation. 521 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: And then we see some more tremendous marketing by mister Duncan. 522 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: The patriarch of the Yo Yo now sends a bunch 523 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: of street teams out professional Yo Yo demonstrators city the 524 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: city schoolyard near your own. It's kind of like the 525 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: brilliant thing that Oscar Meyer would later do bymobiles. Yeah, 526 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: so they basically, they said, the Yo Yo version of 527 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: wienermobiles across the United States, across the land, and they 528 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: promote these local contests. Kids learn tricks, they get very invested, 529 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: they create their own grassroots independent communities. And now Duncan 530 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: is like the Willie Wonka of yoyo's. 531 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: And there's actually a name that they're using for these demonstrators. 532 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: They called them Duncan Professionals, and a lot of these 533 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: folks actually went on to start some companies that would 534 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: give Duncan a run for their money. Once that trademark 535 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: ran out, we'll get a little more into that. But 536 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: what Duncan also was really good at was tapping into 537 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 2: name recognition and celebrities. We had folks like Douglas Fairbanks, 538 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: Mary Pickford. These are names that maybe won't ring as 539 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 2: much of a bell to a modern ear. Baseball Hall 540 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 2: of Famer Luke Garrig you probably have heard of Hack Wilson. 541 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: All of these folks were photographed. 542 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: Using their Yo yo's and would participate in paid promotions 543 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: with movie icons like what is it our gang? 544 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: Isn't it the Little Rascals? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. And 545 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: they were promoting specific brands of Yo Yo's at different times, 546 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: all owned by Duncan, by the way, things like Gold 547 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: Seal and Oh Boy yo Yo's. If a town did 548 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: not have a visible local celebrity, then you just got 549 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: the police commissioner or the mayor or another high ranking 550 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: public official to be in a photograph holding a Yo yo. 551 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: And I just got to read this directly from our 552 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: expert Lucky Meisenheimer, MD, because he puts it so beautifully, 553 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: this idea that Duncan may have ruined themselves in their 554 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 2: own effective marketing because their success with promoting the toy 555 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: over four decades made the word yoyo a household name, 556 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: almost more than the association with. 557 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: Duncan in some ways. 558 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: Once the pat or the trademark ran out, you started 559 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: to see challenges to Duncan's soul right to use that name, 560 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: made by folks like Joe Radavan of the Royal Yo 561 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: Yo Company. And to our previous point, Radavan was one 562 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: of those early Duncan professionals who himself was from the Philippines, 563 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: so it's very full circle. In nineteen thirty seven he 564 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: left Duncan and formed his own company, and in nineteen 565 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: sixty five, after a lengthy court battle, Duncan was stripped 566 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: of that trademark protection by the courts, which determined that 567 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: the word yo yo had at this point ben become generic. 568 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, now, because you can't own the word paper, right, 569 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: you can't own the concept of wind or hats or 570 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: what's another one, shoe feet no wow. Yeah. 571 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: However, though, that's not the case in other countries, because, 572 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 2: as Meisenheimer points out, there are other countries like Canada 573 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: where the word yoyo is still under trademark protection. The 574 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: sixties saw a little bit of a wane in the 575 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: popularity of yo yo's as new toys and you know, 576 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 2: gadgets and things made it start to feel a little 577 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: bit you know, old hat, a little bit antiquated. But 578 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: in the eighties the yoyo experienced a massives with a 579 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: new modern design. The new yoyos were made of plastic 580 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: and had a ball bearing axle that made them a 581 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 2: lot zippier allowed them to perform even longer sleeps or 582 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: spin times right where you hold it at the bottom. 583 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: It's called making it sleep, and even more complex tricks. 584 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: That's when we see the American Yo Yo Association clocking 585 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 2: the world sleep record for a fixed axle yo yo 586 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one by Dale Oliver at fifty one seconds. 587 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: And as recently as two thousand and one we see 588 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: that that record has been dwarfed. The American Yoyo Association's 589 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: world record in twenty twenty one for sleep was thirteen 590 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: minutes and five seconds, set by the legendary Rick Wyatt. 591 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Ben I wouldn't be surprised if it's 592 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 2: been further dwarfed by now, because yo yo ing is 593 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: is you know, you could a it's niche. It's not 594 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: like an Olympic sport or anything. It doesn't quite have 595 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 2: the same cachet as say X games type sports, but 596 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: is getting there because there's a lot of like pretty 597 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 2: cool people that are into yo yoing, like our very 598 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: own Fay Webster, who is a fantastic musician from here 599 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 2: in Atlanta who has a lot of connections to the 600 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 2: hip hop community here, started off her career as a photographer, 601 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: you know, hanging out with folks like Lil YACHTI and 602 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 2: various other rappers from the scene. Her music isn't really 603 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: in that vein at all. It's much more kind of awesome, crooney, 604 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 2: very delightful, Billie holiday asque kind of music, vocal music 605 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 2: because I sound like a grandpa myself. But she actually 606 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: is a huge yoyo officionado, and I believe she's doing 607 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: Yo Yo Invitational right here in Atlanta, So it's really 608 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 2: cool to see that connection right here in our in 609 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: our hometown. The modern National Yo Yo Championships were first 610 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 2: held in Chico, California in nineteen ninety three recent pretty 611 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 2: recent under the direction of a guy named Bob Maloney, 612 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 2: who later became the director of the National Yoyo Museum 613 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 2: in Chico. And this is again coming from Lucky Weisenheimer MD. 614 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 2: They changed, though, however, drastically in nineteen ninety six, just 615 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: the landscape of competitive yo yoing when a guy named 616 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 2: Alex Garcia won the very first freestyle competition. Now that's 617 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: what we're talking about, and what makes it freestyle is 618 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: the type of yo yo where the yoyo is no 619 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 2: longer attached to your finger, but it's attached to a 620 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 2: counterweight that's held in your hand, which allows you to 621 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: do tricks that completely disconnect the yo yo from your 622 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 2: body and the actual yo yo from the string. You 623 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: can pop it off and then roll it back on. 624 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 2: There's all kinds of really really really magic, cool tricks 625 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 2: that you can do with this free hand style of 626 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 2: yo yoing. I would just really encourage anyone out there 627 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 2: to just google or do some YouTube searches of some 628 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 2: of the top yoyos across the country and around the world, 629 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 2: because there's some stuff that's going to blow your mind. 630 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we know this is still look, it's not 631 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: the halcyon Ds of the nineteen sixties, but the yo 632 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: yo is a cool idea. It's a lot of fun. 633 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: It's a popular toy. If you have kids and you 634 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 1: want them to have something kinetic to play with that's 635 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: not going to hurt too many people, then forego the 636 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: nunchucks and get the yo yo. 637 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 2: Get them a yo yo. Competitive yo yos today can 638 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: spend at up to eight thousand revolutions per minute. They're 639 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 2: typically made of aluminum, titanium, or steel, and they are 640 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 2: produced with extremely exacting machining standards. 641 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: I want, you know what, I want a comic book 642 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: adaptation of a superhero that uses a yo yo, Like 643 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, the way Daredevil uses the sticks or the 644 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: way Batman uses the rings. It'd be cool to have 645 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: a yo yo superhero. 646 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 2: I completely agree, Ben, And there's no doubt that that 647 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: yoyo superhero would be able to do most of, if 648 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 2: not all, of, some of the modern tricks that we're 649 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: just gonna rattle off for you real quick as we 650 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 2: wrap up this episode. Not no longer the Humble, Walk 651 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: the Dog, or Rock the Baby, Rock the Cradle, whatever 652 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 2: you want to call it. 653 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: We're talking about things like the Elevator, the brain Twister. 654 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 2: These all sound like roller coasters, the mock five personal 655 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 2: favorite here, the Poppin Fresh. 656 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: I've got some firstal favorites as well. I love that 657 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: there is a potential for combos in these moves Trapeze 658 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: trapeze and brother trapeze and Brother slack rther that of 659 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: course double or nothing. Oh, of course we. 660 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 2: Got the zipper, the split bottom mounts, the Revolution and 661 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,959 Speaker 2: the reverse to your previous list Ben Slack Trapeze. Why 662 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 2: is that what in all caps? I don't know, man, 663 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 2: it just seems really extra. It's very intense. I had 664 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 2: to get the win across. We've got the we got 665 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 2: various whips, Ben, the jade, the iron, the plastic, the rejection. 666 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: The Kamakase mount is uh interesting, and then there's whipped 667 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: to Kama case. And then there's the Houdini mount, but 668 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: not spelled the way you think. 669 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 2: It's not spelled the way you think it could be 670 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 2: a typo in this thing, but it might not as well. 671 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 2: I think the mount is when you like it's just 672 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: one of those ones where I think that the yoyo 673 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 2: disconnects on the string and then you pop it back on. 674 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken. 675 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 2: I've seen some videos where the titles of the tricks 676 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 2: were listening underneath it and it's ringing a Bellhiste's the 677 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 2: cold Fusion, the spiritual successor to walk the dog skin. 678 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: The gerbil, Now, come on, that's egregious. It is do 679 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: you hate no? I like gerbils. They're cute. I got 680 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: no problem with trolls. I didn't invent the name. 681 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,240 Speaker 2: Uh the gyroscopic flop, which sounds like a bad trip 682 00:39:59,280 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 2: to the doc. 683 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: Now that's that's an endoscopic flop. That's different. Hey, the 684 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: ping pong mm hmm yeah. Check out our earlier episode 685 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 1: on the evolution of table tennis or ping pong. We 686 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: have so many other names, tricks, hooks, all kinds of sides. 687 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: We got a gunslinger, we got a grind. I don't 688 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: know what the one point five Eli Hopp is now, 689 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: but I hope it's named after a guy I do too. 690 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 2: And a lot of these start to take on names 691 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 2: very closely resembling skateboard tricks, and it really is at 692 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 2: that level of cool to it to a certain degree now, 693 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 2: like where people are making really cool videos of doing 694 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 2: yoyo tricks. Also, like another thing that I enjoy is 695 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 2: something called krdistry, where people are manipulating and doing crazy 696 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 2: tricks with playing cards, not magic tricks, but just manipulating 697 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 2: them and you know, doing crazy riffle shaking roll like water, 698 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 2: making them roll like water. And this is another kind 699 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 2: of spiritual successor to that. And there's tons of content 700 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 2: out there if you want to check it out. So 701 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 2: that's it for Yo Yo's man, So don't get out 702 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 2: there and try yourself for Yoyo dope schmo Yo. 703 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: Wonderful title, wonderful story. This makes me want to grab 704 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: yo yo myself. We can't wait to hear your stories. No, 705 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: we're probably going to get some feedback on this one 706 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 1: from people who send us cool clips of them doing 707 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: yo yo tricks. Big thanks to our super producer, mister 708 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: Max Williams. Big thanks to our research associate for this episode, 709 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: none other than mister Noel Brown. 710 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you kindly, Ben, Thanks to Alex Williams who 711 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 2: composed our theme, Christopher Rosiotis and Eve's Jeff Coates here 712 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 2: in spirit. 713 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: And thanks to our heist colleagues Ridiculous Crime. If you 714 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: dig us, you'll love them. Big thanks of course to 715 00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: aj Bahamas, Jacobs, Doctor Rachel Big, Spinach, Lance and Polite. 716 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: How do you do? To Jonathan Strickland to aka the Quist? 717 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 2: Yes? 718 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: Fine? How do you do? Indeed, do you sir. We'll 719 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: see you next time, folks. 720 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 721 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,760 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.