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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge podcast presented by a DraftKings. I'm

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Speaker 1: Garrett Downing, joined by Clifton Brown, who's filling in for

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Speaker 1: Ryan Mak. The Ravens wrapped up the first game of

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Speaker 1: the preseason. They filled to the Philadelphia Eagles sixteen to

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Speaker 1: thirteen at M and T Bay Stadium. Exciting finish is

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Speaker 1: a little bit back and forth there in the final

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Speaker 1: seconds of that game before the Eagles came away with

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Speaker 1: a win on a last second field goal. Clifton Brown

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Speaker 1: and I are going to give you our thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the game, what stood out, what takeaways we have, so

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Speaker 1: you know, just from a big picture standpoint, Cliff, what

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Speaker 1: kind of was the main takeaway for you in Washington

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Speaker 1: Night's game.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, we had to start with Nay Wiggins, how

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Speaker 2: well he played, and then you know, the injury in

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Speaker 2: the second half. We'll learn more about that obviously in

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Speaker 2: the coming days. Hopefully it's not serious, something won't keep

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Speaker 2: him out too long. But you know, he was really.

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Speaker 3: Electric, like coach Arboll said, looked like the.

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Speaker 2: Eagles were targeting him. You know, you don't see a

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Speaker 2: guy often three straight plays get targeted, particularly when the

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Speaker 2: first two didn't work, and you know, he came up

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Speaker 2: big with three really good coverage plays and showed you

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Speaker 2: really his whole package.

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Speaker 3: That he can cover.

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Speaker 2: Deep, he can cover short, he's got good ball skills,

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Speaker 2: got his hands on in a couple of deflections, and

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Speaker 2: then he's tough even when you know later in the

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Speaker 2: game he gave up a catch, he came right back

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Speaker 2: and broke up another one. So Nate Wiggins is a

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Speaker 2: guy that you know. I think the Ravens really got

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Speaker 2: one here in the first round at corner. And hopefully

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Speaker 2: he's going to be healthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this was the Nate Wagans game for

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Speaker 1: both good and bad. Like he started his first series,

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Speaker 1: his first NFL series is three straight pass breakups, like

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Speaker 1: he might play a decade in the NFL and not

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Speaker 1: have a series where he has three straight pass breakups

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Speaker 1: like that is just a rare. It's rare to have that,

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Speaker 1: and so they targeted him. He was up to the challenge.

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Speaker 1: And one thing that I've said about him throughout training

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Speaker 1: camp and really since the draft is he is so

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Speaker 1: sticky in coverage. He trusts himself, like he does not

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Speaker 1: give much separation at all, and so his speed, his length,

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Speaker 1: that attacking mentality. All of that I think was on

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Speaker 1: display on that opening series where he came up with

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Speaker 1: those pass breakups, and then you saw it again too.

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Speaker 1: I think you kind of saw that attacking mentality on

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Speaker 1: the tackle for loss, which was the last play before

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Speaker 1: he went in with the shoulder injury, and so he

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Speaker 1: comes downhill makes a tackle for loss. You know, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't like a monster hit or anything, but he got

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Speaker 1: I think he showed the physical style that he likes

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Speaker 1: to play with, you know, if called upon, and attacking mentality,

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Speaker 1: and then after that went into the blue tant went

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Speaker 1: to the locker room with the shoulder injury, and as

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Speaker 1: you alluded to, John Harwell said after the game that

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Speaker 1: he's gonna undergo further tests and there's no update at

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Speaker 1: this point, and so we'll see where that stands. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's difficult because I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think all Ravens fans us included, were feeling so good

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Speaker 1: and then this injury happens and there's you know, you're

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Speaker 3: Last, right, I mean, was that to wait?

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Speaker 2: But I think big picture, obviously all the things you

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Speaker 2: that was only knock on him about you know, his size,

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Speaker 3: Is he going to be a good tackler. Is he

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Speaker 2: I mean, all through training camp he's shown no hesitation

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna pick pick on Nate Wiggins, to me,

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Speaker 2: you're in trouble. And then you put him in a

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Speaker 2: it really really makes you wonder how good their secondary

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Speaker 2: But again, as we know, that's been something that you

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Speaker 2: get back to Nate Wiggins though, I mean, there's no

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The one other thing I will say about him

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Speaker 4: It was in his direction.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think sometimes it's difficult to know what

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Speaker 4: Know that was if that was his his guy that.

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Speaker 1: He was supposed to be responsible for, you know, that

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Speaker 2: It wasn't perfect, And yeah, there was definitely a conversation

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Speaker 2: you know what happened here. You know, they were trying

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Speaker 2: broke wide open. But you know, it kind of reminds

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Speaker 2: then became an All Pro in his second season. I

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Speaker 2: think nay Wiggins has had similar toughness, visolved resiliency, whatever

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Speaker 2: and he will make some, it's not going to bother

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Speaker 1: And the other point with that is that was like

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Speaker 1: responsibility is there. But when he knew what he was doing,

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Speaker 1: like when he knew what that's what we saw in

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Speaker 4: He knew what the assignment was and he was like

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Speaker 4: glue on the receivers. So again fingers crossed that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we get an update that this is a

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Speaker 4: That's the hope, and we'll see where this goes.

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Speaker 1: I think another player who stood out as a topic

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Speaker 4: Right now is Trent and Sipson.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's in the line for a starting job.

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Speaker 1: He played, he played a good portion of this game,

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Speaker 2: I mean normally with a guy who's going to be

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Speaker 2: Simpson to get this type of action because he played

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Speaker 2: forty six naps I believe last year, and most of

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Speaker 2: He played well in that game, but that was a

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Speaker 2: He is going to be counted on this year to

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Speaker 2: So to me, this was good for him. You know,

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Speaker 2: So some players got to him that the Ravens would

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Speaker 2: solid plays, He played fast, he tackled well, and again

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Speaker 2: he talked about wearing the green died, something he's not

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Speaker 2: interesting to see how much he plays in preseason games

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. The green dot thing was interesting, Like,

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Speaker 1: I asked Trenton after the game, because he did play

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Speaker 1: He thinks it's like slown down a lot from last year,

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Speaker 3: Well, no of question.

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Speaker 2: You think about Trent and Simpson's rookie season, playing behind

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Speaker 2: Rokwan and Patrick Queen, I mean, he's not getting on

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Speaker 2: the field. He was trapping behind two three down linebackers,

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Speaker 3: For the first time.

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Speaker 2: There were no snaps to be had, and for a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you that you know they're not

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Speaker 2: But again, I think that he is a different case

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Speaker 2: you'd like to see him get reps, and he did tonight.

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Speaker 1: There's levels of starter, like ro Kwan Smith is another

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Speaker 1: Guys that are in sweats. Of course, you know Kyle

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's where Lamar Jackson Shane during the interviews during the game, like, he.

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Speaker 4: Is a different level.

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Speaker 1: Simpson is not to that level at this point. So

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Speaker 1: The crown is yours, So Cliff, as I looked at

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Speaker 1: with you. I think it's it's trending in that direction.

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Speaker 1: You know, I had a false start today, you know,

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Speaker 1: not the end of the world, but you don't want

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Speaker 1: to see that. There's no laps in games, you know,

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Speaker 1: the offensive lineman, everybody on offense, if you jump off sides,

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Speaker 1: you got to run laps in practice. No laps in

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Speaker 1: the games, just five yard penalties. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that he's probably the leader in the clubhouse

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Speaker 1: on that. And I think Cleveland's on the team as

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Speaker 1: a backup center and and and right guard. But I

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Speaker 1: think that that's you know, I'm with you in terms

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Speaker 1: of the assessment of the offensive line. In terms of

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Speaker 1: the rest of the offense, you know, running back, I

450
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Speaker 1: think there's kind of an interesting a competition there between

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Speaker 1: Owen Wright and Rasheen ali Uh. There's a there's a

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Speaker 1: spot you know, to be had there, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be Derreck, Hennery and Justice Hill is the top two.

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Speaker 1: Keeping Mitchell's on the shelf right now, of course, and

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Speaker 1: that leaves Ali a fifth round pick and owen Wright competing.

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Speaker 1: I like what I've seen from owen Wright. He got

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Speaker 1: the nod, he got the start. He finished with seven

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Speaker 1: carries thirty three yards, also had one reception for seventeen yards.

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Speaker 1: I thought that he had some good vision. I thought

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Speaker 1: that he ran well, you know. To me, I've liked

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Speaker 1: what I've seen from owen Wright a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than what I've seen from Rashin a Lei. Rashina a

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Speaker 1: Lee had ten carries twenty six yards. He also did

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Speaker 1: have one catch for four and a drop. So what's

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Speaker 1: your take on the running back situation.

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Speaker 2: I think that owen right just focusing on our number

467
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Speaker 2: three because, like you said, he said, we know one

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Speaker 2: and two. I think owen Wright has an inside track

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Speaker 2: now and I think he's benefiting from the year that

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Speaker 2: he had here last year. He talked about that he's

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Speaker 2: more familiar with the system. One thing we didn't mention.

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Speaker 2: He had a really nice blitz pick up where he

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Speaker 2: stepped up.

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Speaker 3: And made a block.

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Speaker 2: A lot of young running backs have trouble with that

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Speaker 2: because they're just not used to doing that in college

477
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Speaker 2: if you're the lead back and not picking up Blitzer

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Speaker 2: that much. So I think all those things that he

479
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Speaker 2: was learning last year are helping him right now to

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Speaker 2: be a step ahead of Ali, who you know, has

481
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Speaker 2: only been here a few months.

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Speaker 3: So Ali's doing fine.

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Speaker 2: But yes, if you're asking me who I think has

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Speaker 2: the edge right now, I would say right, And it's

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Speaker 2: not only due to his talent, but due to the

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Speaker 2: experienced edge he has over Ali.

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Speaker 1: And then that receiver, you know, the Ravens, they didn't play,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're they're they're starting receivers, you know, or

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Speaker 1: on down the line, like Nelson Agiloor is at a starter,

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Speaker 1: but he didn't play, And so when you look at

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Speaker 1: the receivers, there's a competition there for you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of the fifth sixth spots. Of course, the top four

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Speaker 1: are set, and that's say Flowers, that's Sean Bateman, Nelson Aguilor.

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Speaker 1: I think Devontes Walker, the rookie, is going to be

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Speaker 1: one of those four guys as well. He did play tonight,

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Speaker 1: didn't finish with a catch, and then and then you

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Speaker 1: have Tylan Wallace, Deontay Hardy, who's been on the shelf.

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Speaker 1: I think that Deontay Hardy and he's been hurt a lot,

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Speaker 1: so I think that he's got the the edge for

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Speaker 1: that returner and then you know, a kind of a

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Speaker 1: gadget receiver role. But he's just been dealing. He's wasn't

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Speaker 1: here in the offseason, has been dealing with injuries in camp.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of open an opportunity for Tylan Wallace

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Speaker 1: or as we saw tonight, Pebe Williams in their return game.

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Speaker 1: A player who has caught my eye at times and

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Speaker 1: I think did a little bit tonight is Dayton Wade

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Speaker 1: at receiver. I mean, look, it wasn't like a prolific

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Speaker 1: passing attack here the Ravens. I mean they had ninety

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Speaker 1: nine passion guards on the night, so we're not talking

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Speaker 1: about a monster night from an aerial the aerial offense.

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Speaker 1: But Dayton Wade had had four catches for twenty seven yards.

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Speaker 1: He had a bad drop, but then he came back

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Speaker 1: and on you know, the touchdown drive, kept things alive

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Speaker 1: on a fourth down play with a really nice putting

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Speaker 1: his foot in the ground turned up field and then

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Speaker 1: came back as well on the next play and got

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Speaker 1: him down into the inside of the five yard line.

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Speaker 1: I would like what I've seen from Dayton Wade. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to be enough to make

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Speaker 1: the fifty three, but I think he's been an encouraging player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that for downplay. I mean that's a

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Speaker 3: big spot.

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Speaker 2: Guys, is a young player fourth and two catches the

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Speaker 2: ball has to make a move to get the first down,

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Speaker 2: and he does. I mean, those are the kind of players.

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Speaker 2: Remember that a guy has enough poise to do that

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Speaker 2: in that situation. Talan Wallace, I mean he's a guy

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Speaker 2: that like when the lights come on, he becomes a

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Speaker 2: better player, and he did that last year. He had

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Speaker 2: the battle to make the roster, had some really nice

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Speaker 2: preseason games won in spot.

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Speaker 3: We know he can return.

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Speaker 2: He won a game for the Ravens, you know, exactly

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Speaker 2: one of the most electric players of the season. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: Tolan Wallace to me, you know, you know what he

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Speaker 2: can do. He's gonna do enough, I think to be

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Speaker 2: a part of things. So then yeah, if they keep

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Speaker 2: more receivers and the guys we've already mentioned, then Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Dayton Wade, you know, he definitely helped himself tonight to

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Speaker 2: be a guy that you still have on the screen.

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Speaker 2: And they have other guys who have talent, but there's

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Speaker 2: only when so many spots to go around.

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Speaker 3: Talan Wallace was a pro.

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Speaker 2: That he made a couple of plays, and yeah, I

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Speaker 2: do think way it helped himself tonight, even you know,

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Speaker 2: without the things he'd recause of what did the drop

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Speaker 2: or whatever? He didn't do. That play I think is

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Speaker 2: a type of play the coach has noticed that you're

549
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Speaker 2: making a clutch play like that to help a team

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Speaker 2: finish the scoring.

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Speaker 3: Draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then lastly, a quarterback. Josh Johnson's the backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know, he finished with with four completions twelve attempt

554
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Speaker 1: sixty two yards. Devon Leary six completions, ten attempts, thirty

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Speaker 1: seven passing yards. You know, I don't think either quarterback

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Speaker 1: was like particularly sharp. I think it's it's difficult. You know,

557
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Speaker 1: in these preseason games, most teams are not lighting up

558
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Speaker 1: the scoreboard. The passing offense is in these preseason games

559
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Speaker 1: is pretty vanilla for obvious reasons. So it's it's not

560
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Speaker 1: like these offenses are putting up big numbers, and that

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Speaker 1: was the case for the Ravens. I think they'll they're

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Speaker 1: going to have a decision to make whether they keep

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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks on the roster, and that'll that'll probably be

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Speaker 1: one of those that were talking about when it's city

565
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Speaker 1: three man cut down day, you know, coming up on that.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to have as Devin Leary going to

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Speaker 1: be on the roster but they try to put them

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Speaker 1: on the practice squad. I think it's too early to say,

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Speaker 1: but I think that that's going to be one of

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Speaker 1: those competitions and conversations that we're having down down to

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Speaker 1: the wire at the end of the roster cutdown time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Leary's going to get more reps in the

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Speaker 2: preseason and I think the offense will open up a

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Speaker 2: little bit more. They're not going to show you much,

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Speaker 2: but still they're going to show you a few different

576
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Speaker 2: think they're gonna give him a chance maybe to make

577
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Speaker 2: some more plays because they want to see what he

578
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Speaker 2: can do. So, yeah, there weren't any downfield throws. Now,

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Speaker 2: either guys weren't open, or they weren't running the routs,

580
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Speaker 2: or they weren't taking those shots to quarterback themselves even

581
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Speaker 2: if they were by the time, you know, there's only

582
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Speaker 2: a short window to make the throw. So it was

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Speaker 2: good that Learry got his feet wet today. But again,

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Speaker 2: like you said, it's too early for me to get

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Speaker 2: a take on. Okay, well, is he going to be

586
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Speaker 2: a part of things and not. I think it's an

587
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Speaker 2: uphill battle. They've drafted him because they saw the potential

588
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Speaker 2: on him, so we'll see. But the Ravens that do

589
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 2: have definitely things that work on. I know the Stars

590
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: didn't play. They're gonna want to run the ball better

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Speaker 2: this next pseason game. They want to want to be

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Speaker 2: a little more crisp on offense. No question, it's preseason

593
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Speaker 2: games and the wins and losses don't really matter.

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Speaker 3: It's more to execution. But yeah, they.

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Speaker 2: Want to be a little more solid ay were tonight,

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Speaker 2: but you know it's a start.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So as always, you can email us at the lounge

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Speaker 1: at Ravens dot NFL dot net. This is the first

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Speaker 1: of three preseason games. Next one is coming up right

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Speaker 1: back here at Mt bak Citum next Saturday, August seventeenth.

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Speaker 1: It's an afternoon game, twelve pm game for that matchup

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Speaker 1: against the Atlanta Falcons. You can get tickets for that

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Speaker 1: at Ultimo raves dot com or on seat geek.

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Speaker 4: So it'll be exciting to be back here a week

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Speaker 4: from now.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, and we will be

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Speaker 1: back with you next week