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Speaker 1: And a lot of times that's how we bond during

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Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh, let's talk football, and the next

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Speaker 1: some of the best most fun sports interviews from twenty

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Speaker 1: five Whistles here now because it's not just sports talk.

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Speaker 2: This is life career, These are legends.

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Speaker 1: It's the same way that I interview people on any

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go thirty two minus three. We're gonna So

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: First up is Colin Cowherd. He works at Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: Now and Colin Cowherd. I guess I knew him first

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Speaker 1: He's got a massive show. We talked about going from

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Speaker 1: And thanks to Colin for being so open to talk

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Speaker 2: Here he is Colin Cowherd.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Colin, first off, just been a massive fan for

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to start with this then we'll move

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to a job that you had early

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Speaker 3: you know, at the end of my career. So I

437
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 3: find that early in my career, I was like, Hey,

438
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 3: I got information I want to tell you now, Like you,

439
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 3: you have sourcing, you want to be close to people,

440
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 3: you want to be trusted, and I don't say stuff.

441
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 3: I got a lot of information that I can kind

442
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 3: of use on the air as a direction or or

443
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 3: starting point on a story. But I'm so glad there

444
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 3: are people out there that trust me, like gms, you know, players,

445
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 3: and they know I'm not going to burn them. But

446
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 3: that's the part of my job. Like you, you and

447
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 3: I will have this closet, this little black book of

448
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 3: stories that will never get out. But that is one

449
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 3: of the great things about our job, that information and

450
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: that proximity to people that they trust us. And I

451
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 3: really appreciate that.

452
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: Who was the first person that actually expressed to you

453
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: and you believe them that you could be great?

454
00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 3: So I was. I had worked in Vegas seven years

455
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: and then I got a job in Tampa doing weekends

456
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: and to supplement my income. A local Rob Wineingartener I

457
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 3: think is his name, Rob Winegarden. He was a program

458
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: director at a sports talk radio station in Tampa and

459
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 3: he had seen me on TV and he said, I

460
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 3: got this old guy, Hubert Mizell. He was a sports writer,

461
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: the late Hubert Misella. Good friend. He goes, I want

462
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 3: to couple you with him in the mornings.

463
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 2: I said it'd be awesome.

464
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 3: So we did it. And I'd been doing it for

465
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: about six months and one day Rob came in and

466
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 3: Rob said, hey, you have a phone call. I want

467
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 3: you to call this guy back after the show. He's

468
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 3: a sports talk radio consultant. His name is Rick Scott,

469
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 3: Seattle based. So I did the show with Hubert. Hubert

470
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: was very funny. We got along great, and the show

471
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: was overnight. I called this guy back and Rick Scott

472
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: was in town. I think you he was, you know

473
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: at that time, Bobby and still is, there was like

474
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 3: two or three sports radio stations in town. And he

475
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: had seen me the night before on TV and he said,

476
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: you don't know who I am. He says, quit television.

477
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: You are going to be the Rush Limbov sports talk

478
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 3: radio host. And I went, what do you mean, and

479
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: he said, I've heard everybody in the country. He goes,

480
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 3: quit television. He goes, I'm going to call you in

481
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: about three months, four months, keep working at it, and

482
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah. A while later, a few

483
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: months later. So that was the first person that ever

484
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: said anything. And I was just like, you know, because

485
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: I didn't listen. I didn't listen to everybody else. I

486
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: didn't know what everybody else sounded like. Except the people

487
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 3: in Tampa. They were fine. And then a few months

488
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 3: later I was sending out TV tapes and another guy

489
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: called me. Bruce Arena ran a state in Portland, and

490
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: he said, I got a call from Rick Scott and

491
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 3: I was told hire you. He goes, I've never heard

492
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 3: of you, and I've never heard your tape, but I

493
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: trust Rick, so you want to be my sports afternoon host.

494
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 3: So that was my big break. But that was the

495
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: first time I thought, you know, I Hugh Bobby. I

496
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 3: thought it was a hard worker, and I was talented,

497
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 3: and I cared about it and I was invested in it.

498
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 3: But nobody had ever said, hey, you could do this,

499
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 3: and it really inspired me. It was really inspiring to me.

500
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: It was just like wow, I almost felt like, Okay,

501
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: this guy knows this industry way better than I do.

502
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to disappoint him. So it made me

503
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 3: work harder. You know, before sports Talk Ready, when I

504
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: first started was I was a TV guy and I

505
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 3: just liked talking and Hubert Mysell was very funny and

506
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: he had this sort of southern charm and I just

507
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: liked him well, liked the same stuff. We laughed a lot.

508
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: But it didn't pay at all back then, and and

509
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: and it just wasn't as formidable like with iHeart as

510
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 3: it is now. It just it just wasn't I think

511
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 3: Rome was Jim Rome was just starting and it just

512
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: wasn't that. It wasn't the industry that it is now.

513
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: So that was it. That was the first time somebody said,

514
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: but you could potentially be something pretty cool.

515
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: Well, this is one of those moments for me that

516
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier where it's just freaking cool to be

517
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: able to hang out. So thanks for being so generous

518
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: with your time. Been a massive fan forever, and I'll

519
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: just continue to be a massive fan. And that's it,

520
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: so thanks Colin, and hopefully one day I'll see in

521
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: real life.

522
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 3: Bobby, you are beloved at the company. Your career is

523
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 3: on fire for a reason. Musically gifted, verbally gifted, you

524
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 3: have earned all of it, and you're one of the

525
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 3: easiest guys in our business to root for. So I'm

526
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: really happy for you.

527
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: Thanks Colin.

528
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 5: I hope you have a great day. Thanks for the time, Buddy,

529
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 5: hang ty the Bobby Cast. We'll be right back, and

530
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 5: we're back on the Bobby Cast. Thanks again to Colin

531
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Speaker 5: for being so open and great when he came on.

532
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 5: Now let's go to Dan Patrick. This one was crazy

533
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 5: to do.

534
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: Dan worked as a radio and TV sports anchor host

535
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: for years with ESPN. Like he was Sports Center. Dan

536
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: Patrick's one of the coolest people that I had never met.

537
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: Now that I had spent some time with him, at

538
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: least on an interview, like, I'm even happier that I

539
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: adored what he did, Like he was one of those

540
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: guys that really got Sports Center in ESPN and kicked

541
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: it off to being a major pop culture phenomenon. Now

542
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: you can listen to Dan on Peacock on Premiere Radio Networks.

543
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: Dan and I talked about his years of interviews how

544
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: he can still get motivated to do them many years later,

545
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: even after being so jaded and knowing that, you know,

546
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: how trivial is this whole thing.

547
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: Anyway.

548
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: Dan also told me about being on the right place

549
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: at the right time, and how being overly prepared for

550
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: the moment led to him and his career to where

551
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: it is today.

552
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: Here he is Dan Patrick, whoa Dan, good to talk

553
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: to you.

554
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: I'm young, massive fan, just a massive, massive fan, so

555
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: so you know, when they said you would actually spend

556
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: a few minutes with me, I was shocked first of

557
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: all and elated, So just humble thank you before we start.

558
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 6: Great, great glad to help.

559
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: You know, whenever I'm doing an interview in one capacity

560
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: or the other, I do them all the day, all

561
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: the time, either on the radio show or on a

562
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: TV show. But it starts to just be a wheel

563
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: and you're just doing them as they come, and you

564
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: rarely get excited. Sometimes you're a little more up for

565
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: one because you know the value of a bit. At

566
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: this point in your career, do you still get pumped

567
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: about interviews?

568
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: And with who especially?

569
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Speaker 7: I think if you have somebody who's going to be

570
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 7: honest with you, because you want to make sure you're

571
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 7: not wasting the time of your audience. And I always

572
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 7: want to make sure if I have somebody on, maybe

573
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 7: you don't know who they are, but I'm going to

574
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 7: bring out something in them that you would be interested in.

575
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 7: I like the challenge of doing that. But it's the

576
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 7: person who's going to be honest or most honest that

577
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 7: I find interesting. It's the person who tries to dodge

578
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 7: what you're asking, doesn't give you much, wants to be

579
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 7: very vanilla.

580
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 6: Then that's where it gets really tedious.

581
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: Give me an example, somebody who's great that you know,

582
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna do it and they're gonna be awesome.

583
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 7: Charles Barkley's always great. Reggie Miller is always great. I

584
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 7: find that if you know my guests know if they

585
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 7: come on the show, that this is what we're asking

586
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 7: them to do. Don't come on the show unless you're

587
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 7: ready to really give something, reveals something. But it's up

588
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 7: to me sometimes to kind of extract thumb that from

589
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 7: these guys. They get interviewed more than anybody. When you

590
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 7: think about it, athletes are interviewed more than anybody.

591
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 6: You know, where they are.

592
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 7: You know every day at practice, you know before a game,

593
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 7: after a game with the NBA, you have to have

594
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 7: an approach that is refreshing to them and their competitors.

595
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 7: And I find I got to compete with you to

596
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 7: get an answer out of you. John McEnroe said you

597
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 7: got to work harder to get a better answer out

598
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 7: of me, and he was right. This is early in

599
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 7: my career, and I never forgot that sometimes you got

600
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 7: to work harder to get a better answer out of somebody.

601
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're a better interviewe because you

602
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: interview so many people?

603
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 7: No, because you know what I'll do is all critique

604
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 7: your questions while you're asking them, and it's not fair

605
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 7: to you. But I've given so much thought to interviewing.

606
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 7: When I was at ESPN, I did a seminar that

607
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 7: was five days, eight hours each day on interviewing. It

608
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 7: was the best thing that ever happened to me in

609
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 7: my career. But it's the worst thing when you start

610
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 7: to listen to radio or you listen to somebody on

611
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 7: TV doing interviews, because you're listening for the things that

612
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 7: they're not doing what you were told to do to

613
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 7: bring out a good interview, open ended questions, short question.

614
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 7: You know that first question, what are you setting up

615
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 7: for the next question? For your last question, what are

616
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 7: you trying to get at? Like there's a strategy to it.

617
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 7: And I wouldn't have known this until I took this class.

618
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 7: It was a guy named John Swatsky out of Canada.

619
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 7: He was the master of the interview and I was

620
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 7: fascinated by it. I don't know who else, if anybody

621
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 7: else was at ESPN. They were mad at me because

622
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 7: I wanted to bring this guy in to teach us

623
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 7: how to interview, because I saw an article and people

624
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 7: were like kicking and screaming going to this seminar, and

625
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 7: they didn't realize that I'm the reason why they were

626
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 7: going there, because I wanted this guy to come in

627
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 7: and help us.

628
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about the ESPN stuff, and

629
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of questions about that, and

630
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: I still don't, but it makes me think about, you know,

631
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: my whole lifetime of watching you on ESPN and even

632
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Jeopardy, which I was a big Jeopardy

633
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: guy and a music guy obviously, and then you know,

634
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: watching on Sunday nights and I would come home from

635
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: the radio show and watch your radio show, you and

636
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: all the dan ET's like just a massive fan. But

637
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, I've started to realize that I, as a

638
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: public figure, people think they know me at times more

639
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: than they actually do, and they'll come up and so,

640
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that I'm most curious

641
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: about is like if you go to your house and

642
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I know you, but I obviously don't

643
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: on a personal level, Like in your house, what is

644
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: your favorite picture in your house?

645
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: Which if I just asked that question, what is it,

646
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: Who's in it.

647
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 7: I'm a big fan of the artist Wolf Con he

648
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 7: passed away. I think he was just over the age

649
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 7: of ninety. And you can't be in a bad mood

650
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 7: when you look at a painting of wolfcan now pictures.

651
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 7: There's a picture of my daughter in the library where

652
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 7: she's in Galway, and she's in a mud puddle and

653
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 7: she's probably eleven years of age, and she's got mud

654
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 7: all over her. She's thrown mud in the air and

655
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 7: she got the biggest smile and it's one of those

656
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 7: moments that you just go that person is having a

657
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 7: great day. So I tend to gravitate towards you feel

658
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 7: better after you you see that picture and you see

659
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 7: a painting from Wolfcan.

660
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: What about if I ask about sports, what personal sports

661
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: picture do you have. Either you're somewhere with someone that

662
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: you look at and it's not it doesn't mean as

663
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: much because obviously that's your daughter, but it's like, man,

664
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: that was a great moment, either in sports life or

665
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: my life.

666
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 6: I was in a boxing ring.

667
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 7: It was a fight night in Arizona, and I was

668
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 7: the host and we were honoring Muhammad Ali and we

669
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 7: were going to give him this ring. And Muhammad Ali

670
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 7: is standing next to me waiting for me to give

671
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 7: him this ring. And I'm describing to the audience what

672
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 7: this ring signifies, and I'm going to hand this to

673
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 7: Muhammad Ali. And this was probably twenty years ago, but

674
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 7: you know, Parkinson's the onset of Parkinson had started there,

675
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 7: and I just remember in the moment, I'm thinking, I'm

676
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 7: going to give a ring to Muhammad Ali, and I

677
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 7: sort of fanboyed that. I was like, I got to

678
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 7: get this out of my head because I sometimes that's

679
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 7: the problem. I have too many things I'm thinking of

680
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 7: when I'm doing something that I shouldn't be thinking about

681
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 7: but that moment where I look and I go, who

682
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 7: would have thought that a kid came from a small

683
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 7: town in Ohio is there with Muhammad Ali honoring Muhammad Ali?

684
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 7: And it's never lost on me where I came from

685
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 7: and growing up in a big family, that I came

686
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 7: a long way, but that you can come from a

687
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 7: small town where you never would have thought you've gotten there.

688
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 7: So it brings out a lot of different thoughts memories

689
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 7: there of you're still this kid who's from Mason, Ohio,

690
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 7: but you got here.

691
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 6: Don't forget where you came.

692
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: From from Mountain Pine, Arkansas, population seven hundred, So similar instances,

693
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: you know, growing up and there wasn't a lot of

694
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: resource where I came from. So how what showed you

695
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: and who showed you that there was actually a path

696
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: too greater even though you couldn't quite define greater.

697
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 7: I think I was too naive or stupid to let

698
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 7: reality sink in that you can't do this. I didn't

699
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 7: have a plan B So when people said, oh, if

700
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 7: you weren't going to be a sportscaster, what would you be?

701
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 6: And I'd be like, I don't, I don't know.

702
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 7: I'm guessing bartender, but I didn't know, and I had

703
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 7: been rejected in quite a few places. I lost a job,

704
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 7: a local job in Dayton, Ohio, and I was distraught.

705
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 7: So I'm I'm twenty six, twenty seven. I don't have

706
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 7: a full time job in sports, and that's old in

707
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 7: this business to get started, and I thought I'm never

708
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 7: going to get in. I was doing morning drive radio

709
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 7: rock and roll station, and I thought, this is what

710
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 7: I'm going to be doing. And an next girlfriend said,

711
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 7: just come down to Atlanta. I said, I don't want

712
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 7: to go to Atlanta. She goes, no, just come down here.

713
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 7: CNN's hiring.

714
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: I go.

715
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 7: I just I'd lost out on a job in Dayton, Ohio.

716
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 7: I'm not going to get a job at CNN. So

717
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 7: I go down there, lo and behold.

718
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 6: I go in there.

719
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 7: Last day I'm in Atlanta. Give him my resume. Tape

720
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 7: guy says, when can you start? So if I don't

721
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 7: go to Atlanta, I'm not here. I mean I'm somewhere,

722
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 7: but I'm not here because CNN. I was there for

723
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 7: five years, and after that I went to ESPN for eighteen.

724
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 7: So I always tell people right place, right time, but

725
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 7: you better be right about what you have to know,

726
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 7: like you have to know it if you get that opportunity.

727
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 7: And I'm sure that at some point somebody wanted to

728
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 7: see if you knew exactly what you needed to know,

729
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 7: and you did, or you wouldn't be seated there. Like

730
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 7: we get those moments, but be ready for the moment.

731
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 7: And that was something that stayed with me, stays with me.

732
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 7: I tell that to my kids all the time. Be prepared,

733
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 7: be over prepared, even if you don't get it, you'll

734
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 7: still show that that person you show them respect by

735
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 7: being prepared.

736
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: You mentioned eighteen years at ESPN, and.

737
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: I worked on American Idol for four seasons, and I

738
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 1: would talk to some of the old contestants from back

739
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: when Idol was so big, but they said they didn't

740
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: know it, they couldn't feel it because they were in it.

741
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: Now.

742
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: ESPN was a culture, especially for me.

743
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: Was that situation similar because you guys were changing culture?

744
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: Did you know it and could you feel it then?

745
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: Or was it its own bubble?

746
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 7: We were cordoned off, absolutely, and I think that's by

747
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 7: design by management. They didn't want us to be bigger

748
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 7: than those four letters. Not that we could be, but

749
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 7: they didn't want us coloring outside the lines. Management even

750
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 7: told me on one occasion, we don't want another Chris Berman,

751
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 7: because Berman is the most important person in the history

752
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 7: of ESPN. But he was sort of a hot air

753
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 7: balloon that was higher than everybody else but still tethered,

754
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 7: and they didn't want that. They didn't want that to

755
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 7: happen to me or Keith Oberman or Stuart Scott or

756
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 7: whoever you want to throw in there. So they didn't

757
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 7: want you to be a personality. So I think that

758
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 7: that was kind of eye opening that we were getting honored.

759
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 7: Mentioned people came up to us when we saw them

760
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 7: when we were out at events, but we weren't in

761
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 7: New York or LA. We were in Bristol, Connecticut. We

762
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 7: didn't run into anybody, but when we did, then you

763
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 7: heard the impact that we were having, and you kind

764
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 7: of juxtapose that to management. We never knew our ratings.

765
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 7: They never told us. They didn't They didn't want to

766
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 7: empower you and say, you guys are really kicking ass here.

767
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 7: It was like, yeah, you guys, solid and improving, you know,

768
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 7: kind of doing a good job there. You're like, damn,

769
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 7: I thought I thought we were good, but that was

770
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 7: that was eye opening there that management wanted to kind

771
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 7: of keep us under their thumb.

772
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: Final question about the ESPN days and as far as

773
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: who is would you say as your BFF now from

774
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: those days if you had to pick one, Oh.

775
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 7: I would say that I core spawn with Rich eyes

776
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 7: and more than anybody else. The people I really enjoyed

777
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 7: were producers, associate producers, the makeup people, camera people. Those

778
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 7: are the people I always enjoyed being around. Nobody wants

779
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 7: to be around talent because all we do is talk

780
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 7: about ourselves. I wanted to be around the people who

781
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 7: were just normal or as normal as possible in our business,

782
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 7: and those are the people I'm still in touch with,

783
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 7: more the producers than the talent there, but probably Rich Eyesen.

784
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: How hard is it to have a source that's telling

785
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: you something but you can't say it, and you almost

786
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: have to act like you don't know it.

787
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 7: For the most part, I don't want to know if

788
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 7: I can't use it. I say that to and I'm

789
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 7: fortunate having been in this business for almost forty years.

790
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 7: You meet people that you trust because you can go

791
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 7: back to them or they'll they'll let you know if

792
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 7: you're right or wrong.

793
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 6: On something.

794
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 7: But I don't want to know something that I can't

795
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 7: even hint because then I'm not being Then it's gossip, ye,

796
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 7: and I don't want to do that, but it is

797
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 7: a tough situation to be in sometimes when somebody goes, hey,

798
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 7: you can't use it, don't tell me because I don't

799
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 7: want to know. But when they're like, you didn't get

800
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 7: it from me, which is different, but sources can be tricky.

801
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: Last question, and this has really been a treat for me,

802
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: way more for so for you, because I'm sure you've

803
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: rated this and given it a low grade. You do,

804
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: And as soon as you said that, I was like, god, dang,

805
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: And now I'm going to actually feel like a a

806
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: critique during the interview.

807
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like that going in.

808
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: But final question is, uh, you know I'm about to

809
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: go through a big contract negotiation here with a ooh right,

810
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 1: so okay, you know and it's it's it's it's quite

811
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: the monster. I'm not going to lie to you. What

812
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: what's the what am I? What am I not knowing

813
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: to ask for?

814
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 4: What is it you don't have?

815
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm no pretty good Dan.

816
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 6: Yes, I always look at it this way.

817
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 7: I love for fifteen years being at ESPN, and I

818
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 7: could have gotten jobs out outside of it, but I

819
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 7: loved what I was doing. But you can't tell them

820
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 7: that you love it so much that you don't factor

821
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 7: in what you're worth outside of what you're doing. If

822
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 7: that makes sense that, hey, on the open market, what

823
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 7: would I be worth? Take care of me here? And

824
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 7: I always took less, but I didn't have any I

825
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 7: didn't want to.

826
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 6: Do anything else. So do what you love.

827
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 7: And it's really hard to find that because if you

828
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 7: let money be the carrot that's in front of you,

829
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 7: you'll always chase it and you'll never be satisfied. But

830
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 7: if you have people you like you got, you know,

831
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 7: they make sure that the people who are surrounding you

832
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 7: are good people, fun people. I love seeing my guys

833
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 7: every single day.

834
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 6: We just laugh.

835
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 7: I mean, you're serious when you need to be, but

836
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 7: we have fun. I enjoy them. And it's twenty years

837
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 7: for some of these guys. But I think that's the

838
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 7: moment you know that you got to kind of go.

839
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 7: And if you say to your wife, what do you think?

840
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 7: Because sometimes my wife is the smartest person, and you know,

841
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 7: you get somebody on the outside kind of looking at

842
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 7: all this because we get too close to the sun

843
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 7: and you don't want to be Icarus here and you know,

844
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 7: go down and flame. So do what you love as

845
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 7: long as you can do it, or you can just

846
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 7: take a load of money and then run with it.

847
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was hoping for that, like airplane.

848
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm just a massive fan, just massive, And thank

849
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: you for your time, and you know that's all. And

850
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: I know you've got a busy day ahead, so thank

851
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: you very much. And one day, hopefully I hope I

852
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: can touch you soon.

853
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 7: You know I would. Uh, yeah, I hope we cross paths.

854
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 7: Congratulations on all your success, and I think that it's

855
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 7: not by accident, you know, but I think that that's

856
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 7: important as you move move forward, don't forget the kid

857
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 7: from a small town in Arkansas, because staying humble, because

858
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 7: this business will bite you in the ass quickly.

859
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan, have a good day.

860
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 8: Thank you, Bobby. The Bobby Cast will be right back.

861
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 8: This is the Bobby Cast.

862
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 1: That's Dan Patrick. That was super cool. Let's talk about

863
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: another one that was just insane. Jerry Jones. I sat

864
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: down with Cowboys, a legendary owner. Jerry Jones We went

865
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: to Dallas and we hung out with the whole Jones family.

866
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: It was kind of insane.

867
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: Mister Jones hosted me, my wife, Eddie, Mike d We

868
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: went into suite, watched the game an Arkansas native and

869
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: that's really what got me in because I just emailed

870
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: randomly to the website and so we talked and Jerry

871
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: hung out with us forever. We talked about his upbringing,

872
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: whether or not a legendary story about him was true,

873
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: so much more here he is Jerry Jones. Mister Jones.

874
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: Have heard people call you many things since we've been here.

875
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: The last hour, I've heard mister Jones they referred to

876
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: as Jerry. Someone called you uncle Jerry a minute ago.

877
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: You have a lot of names here as you walk around.

878
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 9: Well, I do prefer especially from you, Jerry.

879
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: Is that really what I feel like? I can call

880
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: you Jerry because that means we're friends.

881
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 9: Now, of course we are friends, and but mainly you've

882
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 9: got that Arkansas blood, isn't you, which qualifies us both

883
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 9: to have a little fun my cousins and why not

884
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 9: can be I've got a lot of Joneses running around

885
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 9: out here. Just get in line.

886
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, A story that I've rarely shared, and there's zero

887
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: percent chance that you would remember this, and don't expect

888
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: you to. But as probably fifteen or so years ago,

889
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: you were in Hot Springs. You were sitting in a

890
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: section of a restaurant and I think it was Oakland.

891
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: Oakland was I was at the races. You were sitting

892
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: in a section between the restaurant and the bar, waiting

893
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: on somebody. And I saw you sitting there and I thought,

894
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones from Arkansas.

895
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm from Arkansas. Why can I not go up and

896
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: say hello?

897
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: And so I approached you and I said hello, And

898
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: I sat beside John's waiting on people too, and you

899
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: and I talked for like ten to fifteen minutes, and

900
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: I kind of just told you my story. You talked

901
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: to me for a while, and I remember thinking, I

902
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: can't believe Jerry Jones is a normal, like nice person,

903
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: because we always see big Jerry Jones, you know, the

904
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: guy that's running the Cowboys, But you are such a

905
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: normal person. And at the end of the conversation, you

906
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: literally gave me your cell phone number and said, if

907
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: you ever need anything, call me.

908
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: I never called you.

909
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: I actually needed a few things, but I never called you,

910
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: but I left that going like Jerry Jones is like

911
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: a like a for real caring guy, like a guy

912
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: who seemingly cares about relationships a lot.

913
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: Is that probably?

914
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: Would you say that as the key to your success

915
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: here has been relationships.

916
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 9: Well, let me say this, My life is spent with

917
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 9: my one on one relationships. What is a little confusing

918
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 9: about this thing is that more visibility you have and frankly,

919
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 9: being associated with the Cowboys. I don't ever confuse the

920
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 9: interest in Jerry Jones with what the real deal is,

921
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 9: and that's the interest in the Dallas Cowboys. I'll say

922
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 9: this seriously. Yes, I did have a marvelous young life

923
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 9: growing up in Arkansas, and I was coached up real

924
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 9: good in life, not necessarily football, but life, great parents, entrepreneurs,

925
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 9: always struggling but wonderful around the kitchen table, osmosis. But

926
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 9: I certainly got a great appreciation for the kinds of

927
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 9: lives that make up Arkansas. For sure, there's no question

928
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 9: that my affinity is there. I continue to have things there,

929
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 9: continue to have all the relationships I've had. But having

930
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 9: said that, when I got involved with the Cowboys, I

931
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 9: knew it was going to be tough because the Cowboys

932
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 9: were losing a million a month in cash flow, and

933
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 9: I bought part of them from the government they had

934
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 9: been foreclosed on and football was not going strong then

935
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 9: not pro football at the time. As a matter of fact,

936
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 9: I don't never have heard of anybody that ever made

937
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 9: a positive dollar in sports on a team period, football

938
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 9: or otherwise. Where I'm going with this, But I was proud.

939
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 9: I was really proud to my master's thesis at Arkansas

940
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 9: when I got to play on our national championship team.

941
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 9: But I was also going to school. My master's thesis

942
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 9: was the role of marketing in modern day football. I

943
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 9: dreamed of somehow being a part of a life that

944
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 9: had something to do with football. But this is my

945
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 9: point to everyone, go to your passion. Because I just

946
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 9: thought that I had accomplished a little something that I

947
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 9: could be proud of when I bought the Cowboys. What

948
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 9: I didn't realize was that every day, inspired by getting

949
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 9: to be a part of the future, getting to be

950
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 9: a part of the fans, getting to be a part

951
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 9: of the game, it just caused me to try things

952
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 9: I would have never done and caused things to happen

953
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 9: that would have never happened, And so the facts are

954
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 9: I really was just getting started the Cowboy inspired me

955
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 9: way beyond just the touchdowns are any financial game.

956
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: I wrote a book called fail until you Don't, which

957
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: is and I had Governor Hutchson in Arkansas and Chris Stapleton.

958
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: A lot of guys that we know is super successful

959
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: artists or in business talk about their biggest failure but

960
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: how that actually led them to their biggest successes. And

961
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: we see you as just an eternal success story because

962
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: we see you on TV or we hear you. Was

963
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: there a certain failure early on that actually taught you

964
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: so much that allowed all of this success later on?

965
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 9: Well, when we were first married, my wife Jeane and I,

966
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 9: they came to the house when she stepped out one

967
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 9: day and took her purse and grabbed all the credit

968
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 9: cards out and cut them into About fifteen years before

969
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 9: I bought the Cowboys, I came to Dallas, and after

970
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 9: I bought the Cowboys, a writer asked when we didn't

971
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 9: win but one game our first year, which was a

972
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 9: little downer, but when we didn't he said, these have

973
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 9: got to be some of the roughest days of your life.

974
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 9: And I said no, not even here. In Dallas. About

975
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 9: fifteen years ago, I landed at Love Feel, took my

976
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 9: card up to rent a car from I think Hurts,

977
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 9: and they looked down a list and cut my card

978
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 9: into and said, young man in front of you, you

979
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 9: need to learn how to pay your bills. Now. That's

980
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 9: a hard day in Dallas. Not necessarily a one loss

981
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 9: record with the Cowboys.

982
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: So much Salvation Army.

983
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: I feel like people know about it now because of

984
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: what you guys do as far as starting that campaign.

985
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: Why is that so important to you?

986
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: Guys have the cattle and Salvation Army is not only

987
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: part of the Cowboys, but just to be a part

988
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: of that brand all over the country.

989
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 9: Again, the thing that's surprised, I'm never surprised at the

990
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 9: interest in the team. But what does surprise me is

991
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 9: when I travel, and I travel a lot, I have

992
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 9: as many people come up and say thanks for what

993
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 9: you do for the Salvation Army and the Red kettlest

994
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 9: say go Cowboys. It probably is the most meaningful or

995
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 9: notable thing for me about having been associated with pro

996
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 9: sports or the Dallas Cowboys. We have three million volunteers

997
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 9: in this country on red Cattle time, in the Christmas time,

998
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 9: while people are having meetings or board meetings about how

999
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 9: to help people. They've got Santa Claus under a tree,

1000
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 9: They've got shoes on somebody here, they got food their

1001
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 9: stomach before they can even have a board meeting in

1002
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 9: other organizations. And they get it there with most of

1003
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 9: the dollar that you put in that kettle going right

1004
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 9: where you'd love to see it go. That's why I'm

1005
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 9: such a fantom. We could play football as good as

1006
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 9: the people that Salvation Army do their job, would be

1007
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 9: world champs every year.

1008
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 2: Do you get nervous before games? Very still?

1009
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 9: And I'm nervous right now, very nervous I always have,

1010
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 9: but really almost sick. Nervous.

1011
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: This many games into owning such a big franchise and

1012
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: you're nervous. Why do you think the nerves are in

1013
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: you still today?

1014
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 9: Well, you look at what might be the possibility of

1015
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 9: coming out playing good, if we can get through this

1016
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 9: thing without serious injuries, all of the things. I think

1017
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 9: like anything, really, but you need to be positive to

1018
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 9: play football. I played football for the Razorbacks and I

1019
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 9: had to call on it. Boy, it hurt me to

1020
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 9: play football. I love baseball so one time, my trainer said, Jones,

1021
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 9: he's had a Virginia brogue. And he said, Jones, You've

1022
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 9: got to have the lowest tolerance for pain of any

1023
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 9: kid we've ever had with the Razorbacks. And I said,

1024
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 9: damn it, Groundie, it hurts me more than it does

1025
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 9: everybody else. I said, hell, their toes are hanging off,

1026
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 9: and I said, it hurts me to get kicked. I

1027
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 9: deserve an honor. Figure up an honor for me. I'm

1028
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 9: brave to be out there. It hurts more than they do.

1029
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: You played running back in high school and then offensive

1030
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: line for the sixty four championship team.

1031
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: Right? Is my accurate? There?

1032
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 9: Correct? It's done your homework.

1033
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: Boy, that way I live. I live.

1034
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm die hard. You know I'm die hard razorback, diehard

1035
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones. So, if what's that transition? And did you

1036
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: not want to play running back in college or did

1037
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: they say you should now play offensive line.

1038
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 9: One of the toughest things I ever had the stomach

1039
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 9: was my junior year. I was the starting fullback for

1040
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 9: the Razorbacks. I was so proud. I replayed almost everything

1041
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 9: that was going to happen for the year we came

1042
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 9: to school and I started the first three or four games.

1043
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 9: I pulled a ham and we had some other fullbacks,

1044
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 9: good ones, Bobby Nick's, Charles Daniels, people that we all

1045
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 9: could remember back. But we lost all of our guards.

1046
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 9: And I had played guard my first year at the Razorbacks,

1047
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 9: so they moved me to guard. I went over to

1048
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 9: talk to coach Brawl's to tell him my heart wasn't it.

1049
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 9: I couldn't move to guard. I wanted to carry the ball.

1050
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 9: I wanted to catch passes, and so he said, fine, Jerry. Well,

1051
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 9: another coach came back to my locker and he went

1052
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 9: around the room and he named guys that had never

1053
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 9: been on the field. Fred Marshall, who became the great

1054
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 9: quarterback that led us to our national championship team, Kenny Dean,

1055
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 9: a great running back, never been on the field. There

1056
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 9: were all kinds, handfuls that had never been on the field.

1057
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 9: And my coach looked at me and said, Jerry, I

1058
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 9: told you mother and daddy when to offer you the scholarship.

1059
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 9: I'd take care of you. He says. Coach Brawls will

1060
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 9: sit you down and you may never see a field again.

1061
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 9: You can make this move that he's asking you to do,

1062
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 9: and you can have a hell of a career and

1063
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 9: be a starter. Don't you see the handwriting on the wall? Well,

1064
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 9: I did, thought I did, like he did. I was

1065
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 9: mad about having done it. Then I'm mad about it

1066
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 9: at eighty years old today, I'm still mad about it.

1067
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 9: I should have been carrying ball and catching passes.

1068
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: Whatever player says that to you.

1069
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: What if they're like, I don't you know, I don't

1070
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: want to move, I don't want to return points. You know,

1071
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm the what kind of conversation would you have with them?

1072
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 9: Well, first of all, because really, as much as anything

1073
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 9: that story I would have, I mean this, I would

1074
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 9: have grace. I've had it said to me in different ways,

1075
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 9: not necessarily the same situation about a position, but I've

1076
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 9: had it to me with other men and women. And

1077
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 9: when I see somebody buck, when I see them stop

1078
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 9: and come in and it's hard. I know it's hard,

1079
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 9: and tell me, look, I respect you. I'm not trying

1080
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 9: to be awkward, but I want to go this way.

1081
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 9: I respect that, and I remember that story and I

1082
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 9: go there I've had I'm a cat that's had eight

1083
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 9: lives out of nine, and so I'm a life of giver.

1084
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 9: I hope and do show grace when somebody has some

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00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 9: real mindset as to where they will go with their life.

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Speaker 2: Got three questions of life.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is an urban life that I've heard about

1088
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: you that when you were and you can tell me

1089
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: if this is false, but I want to get the

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00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: whole story out. And you've had such an instrumental part

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00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: designing this facility, which is still a plus. And you

1092
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 1: know we were talking earlier. After fourteen years, people still

1093
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: treated like it's brand new and they have you seen

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00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: it yet?

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00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: But the story is that.

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00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: There was a tile that you wanted and you flew

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00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: to another country to say, I'd like to have this tile.

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 2: They said, we don't have. It's on back order.

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00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: So you said, you bought the whole place, then you

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00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: got the tile, then you sold the place and made

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00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: money off the selling of the business.

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00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: Is that story true?

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00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 9: Well, let me say this, I don't know that I've

1104
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 9: made money when I sold it back. So that's what

1105
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 9: I was creative in getting the tile. Now you have

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00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 9: a little problem when you want a foot of tile

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00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 9: and a place like this, you're talking about four million

1108
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 9: square feet five million square feet so if tile is

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00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 9: three dollars and twenty cents, then multiply that time through

1110
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 9: a four million. Well, in this particular case, I was

1111
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 9: trying to get my wife Jeans to find the perfect

1112
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 9: tile for the right price, which was a lot less,

1113
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 9: but she found it. And one of the other things

1114
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 9: she did is she took and took granted and they

1115
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 9: chopped the granted up and then they aggregated it back

1116
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 9: as a solid and it's most beautiful thing you've ever seen,

1117
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 9: and we have it on our bartops all around. But yeah,

1118
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 9: you bought this place, this place, Yes, yes, this place

1119
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 9: did have the benefit of us all getting in and

1120
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 9: looking at every countertop and looking at every corner that

1121
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 9: was out there, and it was a labor of love.

1122
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 9: While we're talking about it, and I know we're talking

1123
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 9: too much about Arkansas, but Coach Brawl's was such an

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00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 9: inspiration for me here and he really gave me a

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00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 9: lot of keep going and a lot of confidence, if

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00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 9: you will on it. He took us to the Astronaut

1127
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 9: when I was nineteen. We were down there to get

1128
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 9: ready to play Nebraska and the Cotton Bowl here in Dallas,

1129
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 9: and he took us away from the fans. He took

1130
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 9: us out there. There'd never been a game played in

1131
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 9: the astrodome, but it was ready to go. Godly, it

1132
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 9: looked like Mars. How could you think about playing a game?

1133
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 9: And all I know is that from that point forward

1134
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 9: I read everything I could talk to everybody I could

1135
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 9: about it. Roll the clock forward thirty years later, I

1136
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 9: was thinking about this place at and T Now show

1137
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,479
Speaker 9: you how kicking in for young people happens. I didn't

1138
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 9: know where I was gonna get all the money, but

1139
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 9: I knew one thing a man could do it, because

1140
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 9: I had been in one that a man did, the astrodome. Well,

1141
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 9: guess what happens when you're young, When you get a

1142
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 9: chance to do it, you go. You can put five

1143
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 9: of those damn astrodomes in here today, so you always

1144
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 9: if you get inspired, then you can make it go.

1145
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: Question two, talking about music for a second, any free time,

1146
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: who do you listen to? And then the ACMs are

1147
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: coming here like you're super instrumental in that. Why do

1148
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: you feel like country music is so on brand with

1149
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: what you're doing?

1150
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: And then also who do you listen to?

1151
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 9: Well, first of all, it comes natural. When my father

1152
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 9: had his store grocery store. My sister and I lived

1153
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 9: above it. But in the middle of the store he

1154
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 9: built a bandstand and he brought in a great marketer

1155
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 9: announcer in Little Rock called Brother how And he brought

1156
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 9: Brother how in from Forest City, Arkansas. And Brother Howll

1157
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 9: did live amateur talent contest and he basically made and

1158
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 9: produced and produced shows right out of the middle of

1159
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 9: the store. And it was a big stand right in

1160
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 9: the middle of the store. And so I just grew up.

1161
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 9: I was around it all the time. I was around

1162
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 9: the store constantly. Right across the street there was a

1163
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 9: great if you will, honky Tonk and some of the

1164
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 9: greatest names of a country Hank Williams, those kind of guys,

1165
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 9: and I got to see it because of my age

1166
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 9: evove up through. I was a couple of years older

1167
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 9: than me. But my point is I have lived the

1168
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 9: great mainstream of country and if you will, a little

1169
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 9: of the rock and roll that we all look back

1170
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 9: on today, well I live that. And my dad would

1171
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 9: just frankly in his own way and doctorated, and he

1172
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 9: had a band called the Pat Supermarketeers. His name was Pat,

1173
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 9: was called Pat's exactly Pats, and he would take that band,

1174
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 9: and he'd be out late and having a good time

1175
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 9: where the country music rolling, and boy, he'd bring that

1176
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 9: band in and here it would go, and he'd only

1177
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 9: let his friend stay in, but everybody was his friend,

1178
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 9: so they'd have a big time and keep it over.

1179
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: Who'd you listen to this morning? Just give me a

1180
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: couple of artists you likes to.

1181
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 9: I like Stapleton, of course, and not of course, but

1182
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 9: I like Stapleton, and I stop in my tracks when

1183
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 9: any of those great ones come in. But I'm a

1184
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 9: great Roy Orbison fan, uh, and he'll stop me in

1185
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 9: my tracks when I see some of his great music,

1186
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 9: and I can't move when dream comes on, Dreams.

1187
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: Sing a little bit, dream Dream Dreams.

1188
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Huh, Roy, You're right on. Yeah, all right.

1189
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: Final question for you, mister Jones, Sorry, Jerry, final question.

1190
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: I know that so much of what you do is

1191
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: giving back to not only this community, but also you

1192
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: can drive on the campus of Fabel the football complex.

1193
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: You guys have done so much there, but now there's

1194
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: a museum being built right outside of the stadium.

1195
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: Can you tell me about that?

1196
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 9: Well, we're extraordinarily privileged to get to use this forum,

1197
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 9: if you will. The Cowboys the visibility and the National

1198
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 9: Medal of Honor winners, not winners, but recipients, decided to

1199
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 9: let us help fund and build the Nation Medal of

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01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 9: Honor Museum. And in conjunction with that, the same monument

1201
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 9: is not the same one, but a monument is being

1202
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 9: built in Washington to recognize the great stories as patriots

1203
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 9: of what men and women have done for this country.

1204
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 9: And I think it's so big right now where the

1205
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 9: Cowboys want to do something special is it's like this stadium.

1206
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 9: This stadium was not built for the one hundred thousand

1207
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 9: that come to the game. It's a great place, but

1208
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 9: it was built for thirty five million. It was built

1209
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 9: for thirty million. That's who our Michaels is talking to.

1210
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 9: That's who John Madden was talking to. Well, we want

1211
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 9: to take the stories of the Medal of Honor recipients

1212
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 9: and we want those to not only be recognized through

1213
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 9: a tangible thing close by, but somehow we want those

1214
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 9: stories to get involved, somehow mixed in. Wonder how we're

1215
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 9: going to do that. We've got a plan and mixed

1216
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 9: in and so that when thirty million people are watching

1217
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 9: these games, they can hear about what these medal of

1218
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 9: honors did for them to get to sit there with

1219
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 9: the freedom to watch the game.

1220
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: Jerry, I appreciate the time, thank you very much, massive fan,

1221
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: and can't wait to come back for the ACMs, which

1222
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: they're thinking about letting me host. I think a call

1223
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: from Jerry Jones saying Bobby Bones is my guy, I

1224
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: would really kick that door in.

1225
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 9: Well, Bobby, I'm a great fan of yours, I really

1226
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 9: really am. And let's don't make this the last time

1227
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 9: that we have a visit. So you've got a passion

1228
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 9: between them. Just generally, you're what you think is important,

1229
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 9: and music is a big part of it. Music is

1230
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 9: a big part of the Cowboys. We play it hard

1231
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 9: every day during practice just to have the kind of

1232
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 9: replicating the noise that they'll be seeing. And I was

1233
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 9: down here in the dressing room. I wish I'd have

1234
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 9: taken you down, but you couldn't have heard yourself talk

1235
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 9: in that dressing room. And the biggest fights that come

1236
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 9: on in a dressing room. So whether we're gonna pay country,

1237
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 9: we're gonna play some soul, and then every now and

1238
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 9: one will step up and say, guys, I'm tired of

1239
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 9: this argain. We're gonna have little church music he can

1240
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 9: hear before we go the field.

1241
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: And maybe little Roy Orberson dream. Jerry Jones, everybody, Jerry,

1242
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: thank you for making Bobby.

1243
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 10: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

1244
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 10: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

1245
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: That was Jerry Jones again. Absurd that we got to

1246
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: do that. We flell in his helicopter with him. It

1247
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: was just me, my wife, Eddie, Mike d Jerry and

1248
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: his son and the helicopter. I was a pilot, That's

1249
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: how crazy it was.

1250
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't. But still.

1251
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: Now let's move on to one of the coolest guys

1252
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: in sports entertainment now, which is Rich Eisen.

1253
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: I listened to his podcast almost every single day.

1254
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: I filled in for Rich Eisen, which other than this interview,

1255
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: I've never met Rich in person, but I did go

1256
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: and fill him for a show for a couple of days,

1257
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: which was a highlight for me career wise. Rich worked

1258
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: for ESPN for a year, same kind of Dan Patrick vibe,

1259
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: where he's one of the guys that really made ESPN

1260
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: a pop culture phenomenon. And you know, he does a

1261
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: radio show He's NFL Network NFL Combined. Rich also runs

1262
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: the forty yard Dash every year to raise money for

1263
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: Saint Jude and anybody that is consistent and raises money

1264
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: for Saint Jude.

1265
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: Obviously, I love Rich Eisen.

1266
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: We talked about his first big call in his career

1267
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: and then all kinds of good career talk here.

1268
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 2: He is Rich Eisen massive fan and have been for

1269
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: a whole long time. And I watch you.

1270
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: If I listen to your podcast, each hour is loaded separately,

1271
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: so I try to I'm a big fan. If you

1272
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: can't tell I know all the nuances of the Rich

1273
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: Eisen Show, but I have the Roku app that I

1274
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: can watch you guys on You've had to transition a

1275
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: bit with all the new technologies. You know, you have

1276
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: an eleven year old son too, Does he help you

1277
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: stay on to what's fourteen?

1278
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 11: And eleven and and a nine? And they are It's

1279
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 11: amazing because back when I was a kid, you know,

1280
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 11: back when I was a kid, it would.

1281
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 4: Be what's on channels two, four and seven.

1282
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 11: Right now they know what's on an app and they

1283
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 11: get pissed at me when I when I go to

1284
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 11: try and search for anything on the old Roku device.

1285
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 11: They're like, Dad, that's on Paramount plus Dad that's on

1286
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 11: that's on Disney like and they and and they say

1287
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 11: it with such scorn. I don't understand it, but that's

1288
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 11: you know, I take it, I absorb it, and I

1289
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 11: try to get better every day. That's why I have

1290
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 11: this sign on my desk every day. I don't know

1291
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 11: if anybody's ever going to try to take this away

1292
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 11: from me, the best at ever, but you know that's

1293
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 11: I'm in my hopefully fourteenth consecutive year of that title

1294
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 11: run that I'm on.

1295
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: I want to talk about getting the call, like the

1296
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: big call, and.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just knowing your history, you know, just

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Speaker 1: being you know, a sports anchor and reporterback at a

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Speaker 1: local station, but moving up to ESPN. When you got

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Speaker 1: the call that we want you at ESPN, Where were

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Speaker 1: you and what what was actually said on the call?

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Speaker 11: So I was in Reading, California at the ABC local

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Speaker 11: affiliate KRCR Television, and I send a tape to a headhunter,

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Speaker 11: three of them across the United States. I was twenty

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Speaker 11: five years old. This was nineteen ninety five, and I'm like,

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Speaker 11: you know, I was there for a year I'm like,

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Speaker 11: what does it matter, It's just first class postage.

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Speaker 4: I'll send these tapes out.

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Speaker 11: So they send the tapes out to a headhunter, and

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Speaker 11: I get a phone call at home from a headhunter

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Speaker 11: who says to me, I've got a very interesting bite.

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Speaker 4: A big time shop is interested in more of your work.

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Speaker 11: Send the best written material, another tape, Send another tape.

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Speaker 4: And then I go to work one day and.

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Speaker 11: It's a phone where it would ring once, one loud

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Speaker 11: ring if it was a local call, and a ring

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Speaker 11: ring if it was outside of the area code. I mean, again,

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Speaker 11: this is nineteen ninety five, and whenever it would ring ring,

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Speaker 11: it would it would be my parents or my brother,

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Speaker 11: because I'm from New York City and they lived in

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Speaker 11: New Jersey and my brother was in southern California. So

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Speaker 11: it never would ring ring twice, and it ring ring,

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Speaker 11: and I pick up the phone and it was an

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Speaker 11: agent named Henry Reich from the William Morris Talent Agency,

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Speaker 11: saying he wanted my reel immediately because I was the

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Speaker 11: hottest up and coming sportscaster in America according to him

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Speaker 11: and what he had been hearing. And I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 11: because I'm about to go drive fifty miles into the

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Speaker 11: Shasta Mountain Range to try and cover a local high

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Speaker 11: school volleyball game with my three quarter inch camera connected

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Speaker 11: with a coaxial cable to the deck with a huge,

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Speaker 11: you know, strap over my other shoulder, one man banding

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Speaker 11: the whole thing. And so I'm not feeling very hot.

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Speaker 11: He goes send me to take great, hang up the phone,

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Speaker 11: call my brother up, and I'm like, You'll never guess

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Speaker 11: what just happened. And I tell him. He goes, get

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Speaker 11: out of here, no kidding. I'm like, yeah, this's just tappened.

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Speaker 11: Hanging a phone up, ring, ring, and another one, and

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Speaker 11: I'm this is in five minutes of each other. And

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01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 11: I'm like, watch, I am such hot. That's ESPN on

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Speaker 11: the phone. And sure enough, it was a guy named

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Speaker 11: Al Jaffy from ESPN, their headhunter, who I had sent

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Speaker 11: multiple unsolicited tapes and resumes to over the previous five

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Speaker 11: year period. And it was him telling me that he

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Speaker 11: had gotten my tape. They really like it and they

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Speaker 11: want to set up an interview in an audition. And

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Speaker 11: I thought it was my brother telling all of my

1348
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Speaker 11: friends back home, call Rich, say you're Al Chaffie all that,

1349
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Speaker 11: and I thought it was all my friends trying to motherly,

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Speaker 11: you know, and it was not.

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Speaker 4: It was the real deal guy.

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Speaker 11: And I almost cursed him out, thinking it was a friend,

1353
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 11: like who are you? But it was really him, and

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Speaker 11: I flew down to Los Angeles a few weeks later

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Speaker 11: to interview. I did with a whole bunch of executives

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Speaker 11: that were there for the Cable Ace Awards, which no

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Speaker 11: longer exist. And then a few weeks later I auditioned

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Speaker 11: for the gig on a Monday after by the way,

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Speaker 11: a snowstorm prevented me from getting half across the country

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Speaker 11: in the initial time of auditioning, So it was a

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Speaker 11: long wait, a lot of ups and downs, but I

1362
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Speaker 11: got the gig after auditioning with Al Jaffe. And that's

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Speaker 11: my story.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever have impostor syndrome or at any time

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Speaker 1: did you have imposter syndrome while you were there, especially

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Speaker 1: the early days.

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Speaker 4: What do you mean, Like.

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Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, I'm probably not at the level do

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Speaker 1: they think I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to do this and I'm not really that good.

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Speaker 4: Oh. My first Sports Center with Larry Beial was the

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Speaker 4: Sports Center anchor.

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Speaker 11: He's now out in northern California, and it was this

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Speaker 11: was before ESPN News, so I was the last guy

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Speaker 11: that they hired that they threw directly on Sports Center,

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Speaker 11: and so ESPN News is what they would put guys

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Speaker 11: and gals on to get their teeth cut and get

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Speaker 11: up to speed. So I just remember it was a

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Speaker 11: half hour Sports Center on the round of thirty two day,

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Speaker 11: I believe, or it was a sweet sixteen. It was

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Speaker 11: the middle of March, so it's probably a round to

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Speaker 11: thirty two day. And I had eleven highlights. I'd only

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Speaker 11: seen one of them, so they were going to hand

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Speaker 11: me ten paperwork shot sheets with it where you could

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Speaker 11: follow along what's written there to know what the highlights were.

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Speaker 4: And I would have to add lib the whole damn thing.

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Speaker 11: And I remember walking downstairs and saying to myself, I

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Speaker 11: have two choices. I can either pee down my leg

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01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 11: or I could just suck it up and say I'm

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Speaker 11: ready for this. And I think I did both, and

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Speaker 11: it was wild. And I just looked around and the

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Speaker 11: people that were in the news room were all the

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Speaker 11: anchors who I had emulated or wanted to emulate, or

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Speaker 11: had watched for years.

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Speaker 4: And what made me.

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Speaker 11: Want to be a sports center anchor. And they were

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Speaker 11: automatically my colleagues. And it was overwhelming, no question about it.

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Speaker 11: Keith Olberman and Dan Patrick and Kilbourne and you know,

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Speaker 11: Robin Roberts and Dave, you know, Charlie Steiner, Bob Lee.

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Speaker 11: I mean, my god, these were all the people that

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Speaker 11: I was now colleagues with. It was overwhelming, but you know,

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Speaker 11: I was age twenty six, but it was time in

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01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 11: my life seven years met my wife there. My children

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Speaker 11: are ESPN babies because of that, technically and unbelievable, what

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Speaker 11: a run.

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Speaker 1: I watch a lot of your work with the Draft,

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Speaker 1: and I wonder with people being a big fan of you,

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01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: people admiring what you do, do you sometimes get a

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Speaker 1: lot of inside information that you can't share. Like there's

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Speaker 1: a fine line of things you know and things you

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Speaker 1: can actually say.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I mean yeah, But I mean I don't think I'm

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Speaker 11: I do this thing to break news, you know, And

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Speaker 11: I say that having a journalism degree from Northwestern, I

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Speaker 11: know that that's not something you want to say. I

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Speaker 11: think I'm here to just kind of guide everyone through

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Speaker 11: what I'm hearing and understand what I can say, what

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Speaker 11: I don't say, you know, I'm not chefter. I muddy

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Speaker 11: in rapaport, my colleague get the NFL network. That's not

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Speaker 11: what I'm doing. If I hear something that can break something,

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Speaker 11: I will do that. But you know, a great for

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Speaker 11: instance is it. But prior to the twenty eighteen draft,

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Speaker 11: all I heard this is the draft in Dallas that

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Speaker 11: it went Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen,

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Speaker 11: and then Lamar Jackson was the last quarterback. That was

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Speaker 11: the quarterback draft of twenty eighteen. We had heard quite

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Speaker 11: a bit on this show from people who we spoke

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Speaker 11: to off camera and what I heard at the combine

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Speaker 11: leading up, we heard a lot that Russell Wilson was

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Speaker 11: in play. We're like, you get out of here, like

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Speaker 11: what the hell really? And you know, we didn't say anything,

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Speaker 11: which is good because Russell didn't get traded. But now

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Speaker 11: we found out literally in the week before his home

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Speaker 11: opener in Seattle, as a member of the Broncos, he

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Speaker 11: let it be known they did try to trade him

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Speaker 11: prior to twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 4: So what we.

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Speaker 11: Heard was actually accurate. But had we said it, we

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Speaker 11: would have created this huge stir.

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Speaker 9: Or.

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Speaker 11: I shouldn't say that what I say creates a huge stir.

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Speaker 11: I shouldn't say that. I would just say that we

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Speaker 11: would have definitely put something out there that might have

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Speaker 11: gained attention potentially significantly, that would have been inaccurate, even

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Speaker 11: though it was accurate, And I don't like the traffic

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Speaker 11: in those waters.

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Speaker 4: I would just.

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Speaker 11: Prefer to kind of make you smarter by by talking

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Speaker 11: about the things that I think are going to happen,

1451
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Speaker 11: not what I'm hearing could happen like that.

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Speaker 4: That is not what I like to traffic in.

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Speaker 1: You've been running that the forty for a bunch of years. Now,

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Speaker 1: are you ever going to hit a time where you're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I gotta stop doing it. If you hit

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Speaker 1: like a seven seven seconds, are you going to go like,

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Speaker 1: I need to pass this down and let my son

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Speaker 1: do it now?

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Speaker 11: No, Bobby, If I if I need a walker, that's

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Speaker 11: when I'll stop. Okay, I had actual help, you know,

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Speaker 11: doing that. But to be very straightforward with you again, yeah,

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Speaker 11: there is like at some point, I don't think people

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Speaker 11: want to watch some guy run, you know, with a

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Speaker 11: limp and do something particularly bad. My wife wants me

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Speaker 11: to train for it and and I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 11: I go back and forth like should I really really

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Speaker 11: train for it? Like it was sort of like an

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Speaker 11: everyman approach where just like it's just anybody coming off

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Speaker 11: the couch and running it. But now maybe as again

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Speaker 11: I'm fifty three, perhaps me training for it.

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Speaker 4: Could be.

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Speaker 11: Could be, I guess, an example to people who are

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Speaker 11: advancing to stay in shape. And maybe that's another aspect

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Speaker 11: of it that I need to focus on, because the

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Speaker 11: reason why I do it now and don't want to

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Speaker 11: give it up is because of the fundraising aspect for

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Speaker 11: Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital.

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Speaker 4: But it has been, you know, amazing.

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Speaker 11: It's the as you could see here the logo of

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Speaker 11: my show and what so many people do associate me with.

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Speaker 11: And it was born, like many things in television, out

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Speaker 11: of complete boredom waiting.

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Speaker 4: To shoot a television show.

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Speaker 11: As I was sitting next to Terrell Davis under the

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Speaker 11: buzz of the old RCAA dome which got blown to

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Speaker 11: smithereens for the News Stadium in Indianapolis, where he said, I said,

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Speaker 11: how fast do you think I can run the forty?

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Speaker 4: He laughed at me. I cursed at him and went

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Speaker 4: down and ran.

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Speaker 11: It had no idea that the NFL Network crew on

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Speaker 11: a break was actually recording it.

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Speaker 4: They played it back as.

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Speaker 11: A surprise to me on live TV and it kind

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Speaker 11: of got a life of its own that still lives today.

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Speaker 2: Well, Rich, I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, like again, and if you guys

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Speaker 1: have Roku a Roku channel, which I have the Roku app,

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01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: and I'm able to catch Rich on al listening on

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Speaker 1: podcast as well.

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Speaker 2: One of the interviews that I.

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Speaker 1: Really enjoyed was when you talk to the guys that

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Speaker 1: do the town halls, the Chad Kroger, the you know

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01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: when you went and you were like, hey, cause they

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01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: go into these town hall meetings and like propose water

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: towers named after Britney Spear. I thought that was such

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Speaker 1: a funny interview. And I'll end with this, because you

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01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: are interviewing celebrities and athletes, have you had to change

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: your style or research a bit more because your interviews

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Speaker 1: are a bit different now.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, I've got a great production team that's

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Speaker 11: stuck with me and this show through the pandemic and

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Speaker 11: through many different partners. Hopefully the Roku channel is the

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Speaker 11: last switch that I make and I appreciate that you

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Speaker 11: you got a Roku device just to keep watching. That's

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 11: pretty cool. But we we we dig in to see

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Speaker 11: if there is a celebrity sports cross section, because that's

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01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 11: the idea of this show is, you know, uh that

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Speaker 11: sports is a touchdown of pop culture just as much

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 11: as movies and television. The greatest sporting event that the

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Speaker 11: that the American sports scene puts on in exports, the

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Speaker 11: super Bowl is stopped in the middle for a rock

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Speaker 11: concert and nobody bats an eyelash anymore.

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Speaker 4: So it it. It really is.

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Speaker 11: Something that I love to put together and I'm thrilled

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Speaker 11: that the folks at Roku and the Roku channel are

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Speaker 11: into it too. So whenever a celebrity comes on, we see,

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Speaker 11: you know, did they play sports or if they're a

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Speaker 11: diehard fan of the team, happy to dive and let

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Speaker 11: them be a pundit and give opinions, because I think

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Speaker 11: when a celebrity who's into that comes in to promote

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01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,839
Speaker 11: his or her movie or television show or music or album,

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Speaker 11: they prefer to talk about that rather than the funny

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Speaker 11: story from their vacation. And then there are some celebrities

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Speaker 11: who don't know sports very well, and are deathly afraid

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Speaker 11: that if they come on, it'll be like if you

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01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 11: saw the movie Diner, where you know, one of the

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01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 11: characters won't get married to his fiance unless she passes

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01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 11: a quiz on the Baltimore Cult successfully. They feel like

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01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 11: that's what I'm going to do with them or to them,

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Speaker 11: which is the worst thing for a host to do.

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Speaker 11: So I try to make it comfortable and just talk

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Speaker 11: about their movie or TV history. And so we've got to,

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Speaker 11: as I said, a terrific crew that we put together

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Speaker 11: here and we all, you know, I think, really like

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01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 11: each other. That we come up with a segment called

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01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 11: Celebrity True or fall or we just go through their

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01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 11: history about well, this story was on the internet, this

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Speaker 11: story was on your IMDb page.

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Speaker 4: Is it true or false? About your TV show or

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Speaker 4: about your movies?

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Speaker 11: And it's just a great way and fans eat it up,

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 11: thank goodness. I mean, we had Henry Winkler on the

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01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 11: other month and we talked about Jump the Shark. We

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01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 11: had you know, Gerald McCraney here the other day, from

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01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 11: so many terrific shows. We asked them about Major Dad.

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Speaker 11: And that's what I love to do, just having people

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Speaker 11: from across a pop culture landscape talk about their movies

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Speaker 11: and TV. So yes, my long winded answer is yes,

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01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 11: there is a lot more research that goes into it,

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01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 11: but you put up a production construct to place it in.

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01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 11: And not only is it something enjoyable to watch and

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01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 11: listen to live, it's very consumable on an on demand

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Speaker 11: podcast or YouTube or YouTube page, YouTube dot com slash

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Speaker 11: Richeisenshow has twenty eight thousand videos from our near eight

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Speaker 11: here history on it, And so yeah, I do love

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Speaker 11: having celebrities on, and it does require a little bit

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Speaker 11: more help. Certainly if you mentioned Chat and TJ, they

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01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 11: come on and drop the word paraneum for the first

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Speaker 11: time in my show's history.

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Speaker 2: Well listen, big fan.

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Speaker 1: You guys follow at Rich Eisen at Rich Eisen Show,

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01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: Roku as you say, now you'll be announcing a serious

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01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 1: channel really soon radio Like, I'm a total fan boy,

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01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: you know. I'll admit it now that it's over, and

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01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: I've admitted it six times during But just keep doing

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01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: it and I'll be listening every day and hopefully I'll

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Speaker 1: meet you in real life sometime soon.

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Speaker 2: Rich, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 11: When you're back here in Los Angeles after waking up

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01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 11: at one in the morning and you're done with your show.

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Speaker 4: You come in here and sit next to me. We'll

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Speaker 4: have a chat, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, buddy, Thank you, Sealtter. I really hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 2: this episode.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of a crossover episode with the

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Speaker 1: sports show twenty five Whistles. But if you listen to this,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you listen to a lot of people that

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01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: maybe you weren't a fan of until you actually heard

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01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: the interview. So and these weren't super sports related and

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01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: I thought you guys man joy them altogether. If you

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Speaker 1: did enjoy these conversations, there are plenty more like this.

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Speaker 1: Just go over to twenty five Whistles and subscribe or don't.

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01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: I still wanted you to hear them anyway, Thanks again

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Speaker 1: for listening, and thanks to all the guests that joined me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.