1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: On Saturday, October twenty two, and two thousand and five, 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Tera Grinstead went missing from her residence. As the hours 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: turned into days, days in two weeks, weeks in two months, 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: and eventually months into years, the search efforts never ceased. 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: This is crime stories with Nancy Grace. We always believe 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: that it would be solved. We just did not know when. 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: A few days ago, an individual came forward and reported 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: that they had information into Terror's disappearance. Through these interviews, 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: enough probable cause was discovered so we could swear out 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: and arrest warrant charging Ryan Alexander Duke with the murder 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: of Tera Grinstead. Duke was taken into custody yesterday afternoon 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: and the warrant was issued this morning. For eleven years, 13 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: she did not know what happened to her daughter, her 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: beautiful daughter, her daughter she raised, her daughter she watched 15 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: walk down the catwalk to become a beauty queen, a 16 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: daughter that went on to become a high school teacher 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: in a little town, who then disappeared without a trace. 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: But tonight bombshell an arrest and the murder of beauty 19 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: queen turn teacher murdered eleven years ago and yes I'm 20 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: talking about Tara Grinstead. I'm Nancy Grace and this is 21 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in the 22 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: last hours and arrest goes down. In the case of 23 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: missing woman Tara Grinstead, authorities say they think they have 24 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: cracked the case of a teacher who has been missing 25 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: eleven years. G b I states a suspect is in 26 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: custody in connection with a two thousand five disappearance of 27 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: high school teacher Tara Grinstead. I will never forget when 28 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: Tara went missing. I remember driving to Oscilla, a little town. 29 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: It looks like it's straight out of a fairy tale. 30 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful Bucolic and talking to her mother with 31 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: the grief just under the surface, the grief of not 32 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: knowing where is my daughter, of touring TERA's home. It 33 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: was beautiful, like a little jewel box. Everything was there, 34 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: everything was in place, just one thing missing. Tara right 35 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: now joining me, the Duke, Alan Duke. What went down today? 36 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: The gb I calls this news conference and we don't 37 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: know what it's about. There rumors going around that there 38 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: was a rest. They were very vague. Yes, an update. Well, 39 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: I knew immediately when they said there there was an update. 40 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: They were not going to say, well we got nothing, Okay, 41 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something. Well, what they said was really something. 42 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: Special Agent in Charge J. T. Rickinson made the announcement. 43 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: On Saturday, October twenty two, and two thousand five, Tera 44 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: Grinstead went missing from her residence. The Ocello Police Department 45 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: responded to her residence immediately. They suspected foul play. Additional 46 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: law enforcement resources were requested. The Irwin County Sheriff's office 47 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: and the gb I came in and began a search 48 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: at Terra's house. The troubling thing when you're working an 49 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: investigation into a missing person's case is that there's generally 50 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: very little evidence. Terra's home was searched extensively for several days, 51 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: which produced little physical evidence. As with all missing person cases, 52 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: the investigation started focusing on Terra's close friends and associates. 53 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 1: Tera was very well known in this community and well 54 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: liked in her community, so she had many contacts and 55 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: friends in various parts of the community. As the hours 56 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: turned into days, days in two weeks, weeks in two months, 57 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: and eventually months into years, the search efforts never ceased. 58 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: Through these eleven plus years, the GBI and other law 59 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: enforcement officers have received hundreds and hundreds of tips. The 60 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: gb I handles unsolved cases in the same manner we 61 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: handled our active investigations. All open files are reviewed every 62 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: couple of months. That way, we do not let we 63 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: do not have cold cases. Each and every tip that 64 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: came in was vetted and checked against what we had 65 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: already done in this investigation. Interviews were conducted, searches were executed, 66 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: multiple DNA samples were collected. Each lead was thoroughly exhausted. Unfortunately, 67 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: all of these leads ended with a dead end until 68 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: the last couple of days. A few days ago, an 69 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: individual came forward and reported that they had information into 70 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: terrorist disappearance. This information made it to my office. In 71 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: our case, agent Jason Shadel was sent out to conduct 72 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: an interview. This interview generated several more interviews, which was 73 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: followed up by the rest of our office. Here. Through 74 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: these interviews, enough probable cause was discovered so we could 75 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: swear out and arrest warrant charging Ryan Alexander Duke with 76 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: the murder of Tara Grinstead. Duke was taken into custody 77 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon and the warrant was issued. This morning. Wow. Okay, 78 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: that's an announcement. The breaking news is the arrest in 79 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: the murder of Tara Grinstead is no longer a missing 80 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: case a missing person's case. We now know that Tara 81 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: is dead. Who is the guy they arrested. What do 82 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: we know about him? Ryan Alexander Duke? And let me 83 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: first say, no relationship. Ryan Alexander Duke. He's thirty three now. 84 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: He attended high school where Grinstead taught history. Was he 85 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: there when she was teaching? Yes, as we heard the 86 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: GBI agent Rickinson say, they're not revealing much about how 87 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: he knew her, if he was in her class, her 88 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: home room, or whatever. But he was a student there 89 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: when she was a teacher. He graduated three years before 90 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: the alleged murder. She's a high school history teacher. She's young, 91 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: she's beautiful. All the students love her. She does a 92 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: lot of extracurricular activities with them. I'm just you know, 93 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: projecting here. I bet he had a crush on her. 94 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: There were students we do know who did. There was one. 95 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna mention these names anymore because they 96 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: are off the off the p o I list. Of course, 97 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: they had a crush on her. She's beautiful, she's not 98 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: that much older than them. She was. There's no no, no, no, 99 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: no suggestion she ever had a relationship with any of 100 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: these students. They had a crush on her, and I'm 101 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: sure unrequitted. There was one a couple of years after 102 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: he graduated, was arrested for banging on her door. He 103 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: was infatuated with her, and he was on the po 104 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: I list. But now he's He was cleared after a 105 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: search and everything. He was cleared. But it turns out 106 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: let people do a lot of dumb things when they're 107 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: in high school, okay, including having a crush on a 108 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: teacher that is not a killer. Make now this guy, 109 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: what do they What exactly is he charged with. He's 110 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: charged with burglary. That means he is believed to have 111 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: broken into her home. He charged with assaulting her, which 112 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: is obvious. You mean a sex assault or killing her. 113 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: I didn't say sexual assault. They said of sault, putting 114 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: his hands on her in a criminal way, murdering her, 115 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: and then illegally disposing of the body. Where do we 116 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: think the body is? They're not saying the gb I 117 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: was very careful not to even say if they knew. Wow, okay, 118 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: how did it all go down? So the case has 119 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: been simmering now for eleven years, So how do the 120 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: police How did g b I finally crack at Somebody 121 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: walks in their office and says what somebody walked into 122 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: the Irwin County Sheriff's department. It said I've got something 123 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: to tell you about Tara Grinstead. And that triggered a 124 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: trip to Scilla by the g v I who was 125 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: focusing on the case, and he interviewed a couple of folks. 126 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: But how did the witness know that this is the guy? 127 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: That Duke is the guy? They're not telling us how, 128 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: they're not telling us who this was, but it did, 129 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: within a couple of weeks, lead to a warrant for 130 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: the arrest of Ryan Alexander Duke. And they're really not 131 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: saying if he's confessed or not. Hm hmm okay. So 132 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: somebody walks into the Irwin County Sheriff's Department says, I 133 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: got to tell you something about Tara Grinstead. In a 134 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, this arrest goes damn pursuant to warrn 135 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: that quickly. And it's interesting to hear the g b I, 136 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: saying that Duke was not on their radar. A lot 137 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: of people were on this radar, a lot of them. 138 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: We've talked about him, You've talked about them in the 139 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: podcast recently, but not this guy. On Wednesday. They take 140 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Duke into custody on Thursday and arrest warrant was issued. 141 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: Through the interviews, enough probable cause was discovered so we 142 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: could swear out and arrest warrant charging Ryan Alexander Dick 143 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: with the murder of Arra Grinstead says, Richardson, listen to 144 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: Connie Grinstead, thank you for coming today on behalf of 145 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: Billy and myself. The first thing that I want to 146 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: do is to thank God for our answered prayers. We 147 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: would also like to thank the g b I for 148 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: all of their years of hard work and dedication to 149 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: terror investigation. We always believed in the gb I and 150 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: their dedication to her case. We always believe that it 151 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: would be solved. We just did not know when. We 152 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: would also like to thank all of the local law 153 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: enforcements for cooperating and working with the gb I through 154 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: the years, as well as many others in this community 155 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: and beyond. We lived in Oscilla for eight years. Tera 156 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: lived with us here for four of those years. When 157 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: we moved here, you welcomed us with open arms and 158 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: treated us as if we were one of your own. 159 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: You did the same thing for Tera when she moved 160 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: in with us, and we are so grateful to you 161 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: for that. She was able to fulfill many of her 162 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: dreams white here in Oscilla. She loved being a teacher 163 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: and she was very good at it. So many people 164 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: have been hurt by this. We hope and pray that 165 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: with time, this community can finally have closure and start 166 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: to heal from us from this. For us, this just 167 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: starts another chapter in a very long and painful journey. 168 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: We us that you keep us in your prayers. Our 169 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: wounds are deep and our hearts are broken. We realized 170 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: that everybody is going to want answers. You'll have a 171 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: lot of questions and that will come in time, But 172 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: for now we ask of the media to please respect 173 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: our privacy and give us the chance to grieve and 174 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: the process all that has taken place. Thank you. Now, 175 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: it's very unclear what really sparked the new tip. Now 176 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: there has been the ongoing podcast about Terra's disappearance called 177 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: Up and vanished incredible and we have talked to pain 178 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: about it in depth. Now. Duke is pictured in his 179 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: high school annual. He graduated Urban County High School three 180 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: years before Grinstead goes missing. Now, Grinstead taught history to 181 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: ninth and tenth graders at Irwin County High that would 182 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: have included I believe Ryan Alexander Duke, and even if 183 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: he wasn't in her class, he could have seen her 184 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: and gotten a crush on her. He was coaching the cheerleaders. 185 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: We don't know enough about this guy yet. Was he 186 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: on the football team or or what? Now we also 187 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: know that they said and I quote. The search for 188 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: Grinstead's remains continues. Now, this case has stumped the gb 189 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: I and local police for eleven years. And me, I've 190 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: been to the scene, I've been to the home. I've 191 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: gone all over Oscilla looking for clues, looking for evidence, 192 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: testing theories, and the theories never really got anywhere. Why 193 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: Because police and all of us were looking at the 194 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: usual suspects, boyfriends, x is, guys she worked with. There 195 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: were some high school students that police looked at, but 196 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: not this guy. Why not him? Why? Alan hindsight, that's 197 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: going to be interesting looking back, what was missed that 198 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: could have led to Ryan Duke earlier. And I think 199 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: examining that it's going to be an industry in itself. 200 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: You know, they've got the rubber glove DNA that was 201 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: found on the lawn. They just didn't know who to 202 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: compare it to because if you if you've not been 203 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: convicted of a crime, they don't have your DNA unless 204 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: you came forward and volunteered, as some people did. But 205 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: this guy, when he was years old, not have a 206 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: criminal record and stayed clean since then. He's now thirty 207 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: three because he knew that he didn't want to have 208 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: to give any d N A. But does the partial 209 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: fingerprint that they also have does that match? They're not 210 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: saying that it does now we know as far back 211 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: as two thousand six. For sister, Anita has always said 212 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: that Tara, her sister, left with somebody she knew. There 213 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: was no sign of a struggle. I could see this 214 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: guy getting Tara to come outside, and once she comes outside, bam, 215 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: it's over. He's got her. Yeah, I mean, I don't 216 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: think there was a struggle in the home. Let's talk 217 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: about what this guy looked like in court. Go ahead, 218 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: This tiny little courtroom had television cameras in it, so 219 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: we could really look really close at his face. He 220 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: hardly ever opened his eyes. He reminded me sort of 221 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: with the beard and everything, of like the UNI bomber, 222 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, Ted Kaczynski had sort of that look, but 223 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: maybe not as smart. He just kept looking down at 224 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: the table in front of him, hardly speaking. He spoke 225 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: two times that I remember, and that was once, do 226 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: you want a court appointed attorney? And he says, yes, 227 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: I want a court appointed attorney. Do you have any questions? No, 228 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: that's about all he said, and he just shuffled on 229 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: out after a fifteen minute appearance in the courtroom. But 230 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: he he looked like the last dozen years haven't done 231 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: him well. No, I imagine the stress of knowing what 232 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: he had done hung on him. I mean I think 233 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: that it did, but you know, it's always interesting to me. 234 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Her Mitsubishi three thousand g T was found unlocked in 235 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: her car, poard a hundred dollars cash in the console 236 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: and um there was clay on the tires. Her sister said, 237 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: Tara would never have left her car unlocked and never 238 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: drove on dirt roads. So I always thought that somehow 239 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: he was in her car when she got into the car. 240 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: Member she went to that cook out that night right before, 241 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: and I always wondered if he was not in the 242 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: car and took her somewhere and killed her. Well. One 243 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: of the interesting clues with that was people noted that 244 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: her she she was five three short, and that her 245 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: car seat was kind of back when they found it. Yep, 246 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: I remember that. So what now? Now we know that 247 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: there's been an arrest, but we don't have a body, 248 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: We don't know where the case is going, we don't 249 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: know if it's going to be a death penalty case. 250 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: We know very little more other than he's in custody. 251 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: Another issue is where does the family go now because 252 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: their whole last eleven years has been about seeking justice, 253 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: spinding the killer. Well, this arrest ends that. Now they've 254 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: got to start grieving. As as Connie Grinstead said, this 255 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: is just the beginning of a new phase. It's going 256 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: to be a lot of time sitting in that courtroom. 257 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: It's been moved up to Superior court of course, from 258 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: the magistrate. It's going to be a lot of time, 259 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: a lot of court hearings, The grueling, difficult phase that 260 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: is the prosecution, unless, of course, they come up with 261 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: a plea deal. But if they come up with a 262 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: police deal, Nancy, is there any chance there would be 263 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: the death penalty involved. I would not do a plea 264 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: on this guy. I would not take anything less than life. 265 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: And depending on what happened to her, depending on did 266 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: he assault her, did he rape her, did he torture her, 267 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: did he feed his her body to the gators? Depending 268 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: on that, I it any kind of deal right now. 269 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean no way. I would have to know what 270 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: happened to her body before I would even consider a 271 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: plate deal. I mean, they can get him for life 272 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: in prison at the very least if there's d NA. 273 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: Ryan Duke is from a family that has been in 274 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: Ocilla for a while, so I wouldn't I don't know 275 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: if you would call him prominent or whatever, but his 276 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: family is an important part of that community. So it's 277 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: not like he was some drifter that came out of town. 278 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: He was not like some stranger. He was a member 279 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: of the community. And now this community, I think it's 280 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: important that it's able to move on. You know, a 281 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: Sila was hardly even on the map before Tara Grin's 282 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: dad disappeared. The fascination, the mystery, the interest in that 283 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: has caused people to actually veer off the interstate go 284 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: and look at Osilla. But it was always for a 285 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: dark reason. So there's the dark cloud that hovers over 286 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: these small towns when they have these crime mysteries. I mean, 287 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: we've seen this in We've seen this in Middle Lothian, 288 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: Texas with the Missy Beavers case, where it turns people 289 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: inside out, it makes people suspicious, and I think for 290 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: the town of Ostilla, there are a lot of people that, 291 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, did you notice what the other thing? Rickartson said. 292 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: He was asked, are more arrest possible, and he said, 293 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: that's a very good question. Again, we have several more 294 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: interviews to do. I mean, if if somebody knew about 295 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: this and harbored him, but he wasn't a fugitive, so 296 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: they're not harboring a fugitive, but covering the concealment of 297 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: a body, that's a crime. He didn't run from the town, 298 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: he stayed in the town. What does that tell you, 299 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: Nancy that this guy, if he murders somebody and it's 300 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: this hugely publicized case, intensely investigated the most investigated missing 301 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: person case ever in the state of Georgia. Huge file, 302 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: and you stick around the town, you must have some confidence, 303 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: some belief that you really covered your tracks. 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Simply say thank you 320 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: for making our Terra Grinstead podcast possible Today with us 321 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: now Payne Lindsay, who has been on the Terra Grinstead 322 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: case for so long looking for answers and was in 323 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: court today. Payne, thank you for being with us. What 324 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: happened in court? The first part of the court session 325 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: was the press conference where the gb I announced that 326 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: they had arrested somebody, Ryan Duke, for the murder of 327 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: Terry Grinstead. They didn't give very many details. Um, they 328 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: were pretty tight lip about it. So once that ended, 329 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: about two hours later, they had a hearing where Ryan 330 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: Duke walked out in the courtroom and stood before the 331 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: judge with his state appointed attorney, and um, he didn't 332 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: say anything. He had his head down, was very quiet, 333 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: his eyes closed. For a lot of it. He was 334 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: kind of very uh, almost like he was limping and 335 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: kind of just very um MOPI and it was he 336 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: kept his head down. He was a very strange demeanor 337 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: and it um, it looked like he had been wearing 338 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: the weight of the world, is what the way I 339 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: can describe it. Paine, What do we know about Ryan Duke? 340 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: What have you been able to find out about him? 341 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: There in Ocella. I know that he was a former 342 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: student of Terris. I know that some of his friends 343 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: and Tara had I believe hung out before. And really 344 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: that's that's as far as definitively no, That's that's all 345 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: I can really say. Um, there's other things that have 346 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: been coming to me that I'm kind of trying to decipher. 347 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: But the fact that I know is that he was 348 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: a former student and he is most likely the person 349 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: who killed tarat Grinstead, and I believe that there are 350 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: some other friends of his that I've been I've been 351 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: sort of looking into for the past couple of months, 352 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: just different things I'd heard and been investigating that also 353 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: knew about this, And we may hear about some of 354 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: this in the media in the next couple of days. Pain, 355 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: What do you think happened the night Tara was killed? 356 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: I think that Ryan Duke came to Terr. Grinstein's house, 357 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: either with somebody else or by himself, and he planned 358 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: to either hang out or just meet up late night, 359 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: and I think that she let him in because she 360 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: knew who he was, and things took a sour turn. 361 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: There was something happened and he snapped and he strangled 362 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: her in the house, and then I believe that he 363 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: used himself and a buddy or two or three to 364 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 1: a dispose of the body, and a pecan orchard on 365 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: the other side of town that was very off the map, Pain, 366 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: who do you believe was a tip? Sir? I don't 367 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: know exactly who it is specifically, but um my, my 368 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: thinking is that the atmosphere that's been created over the 369 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: past six months to a year with the community of 370 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: Oscilla just talking again and you know, obviously rumors are flying, 371 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: but truth was flying too, and I think that there 372 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: was an open line of communication with people and for 373 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: the first time in eleven years, people were comfortable again 374 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: talking about it. And I think somebody felt the pressure 375 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: and somebody slipped up and said something, or somebody felt guilty, 376 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: and somebody someone ever heard something, somebody knew something, and 377 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: then they told the g b I, and the g 378 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 1: b I did the right thing and went to investigate it. 379 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: And I believe they went and nabs Ryan Duke, who 380 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: then confessed for this, and that that's that's what I think, Pain. 381 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: Do you believe they'll cut a deal was Duke in 382 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: order to find terrors remained? I don't really know. I 383 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: feel like in general, the community wants answers, so I 384 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: can see why that option could be on the table. 385 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't really know that. I don't have any sources 386 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: that have told me that. I I don't know that 387 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: to be true. But I honestly think that he confessed 388 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: and just told him. But I mean, it's not unlike 389 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: the gb I or anybody else to offer something in 390 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: order to get information. And how is the family pain? 391 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: How is the Grinstead family. I never spoke to them, 392 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: but I saw them in the courthouse today and her 393 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: mom was up there talking. You know, you could tell 394 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: that it's still heartbroken about this, and it's even though 395 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: there's a resolution, or the beginnings of one, it's still 396 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: very tough to to find out the truth, and the 397 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: truth isn't a pretty thing. You know, you can definitely 398 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: tell that they're still suffering. But there was a glimmer 399 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: of hope that I saw sort of an at ease 400 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: feeling in the courtroom with everybody that we had finally 401 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: come to some sort of conclusion and you know, for 402 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: the first time in eleven years, we're getting answers and 403 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: not just to another false lead. As an avid listener 404 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: to Up and Vanished, I'm looking forward to how you 405 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: deal with this in future episodes. I know you've got 406 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: a few left in the season. Again, thank you, Simply 407 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: Safe for making our podcast possible. What Alan, This is 408 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: something I've been wanting to do with Simply Safe because 409 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: I've watched the video several times and being a techie, 410 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm impressed. Imagine if your home is being broken into, 411 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: you don't have neighbors really really close, what happens. The 412 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: siren that sounds is incredible. It is ear shattering. If 413 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: your neighbors don't hear that and know something is going on, 414 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna hear it at the police station. Like, can 415 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: I play that for you right now? Cover up your ears, Nancy, Okay, 416 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm a believer. I could hear that loud and clear. 417 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: If your neighbor doesn't hear it, they'll hear it at 418 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: the police station. Repeat, Thank you, Simply Now back to 419 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: Tara Grinstead. Um. You know. Grinstead competed in Miss Georgia pageants. 420 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: She was crowned Miss Tiffton absolutely gorgeous. The day she 421 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: goes missing, she spent the day helping contestants and a 422 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: Miss Sweet Potato pageant in nearby Fitzgerald, and then she vanished. 423 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: You know, I got a theory did this guy have 424 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: a crush on her all these years and finally act 425 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: on it and was rejected? What do you think? I 426 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: think that's a pretty good theory. And we don't know 427 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: enough about this guy to know his personality other than 428 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: the fact that the the g b I says he's 429 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: a killer, and that gives us about all we need 430 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: to know. Well, I'm also happy for the g b 431 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: I because this is something they've been trying to crack 432 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: for so long. They've taken a lot of heat for 433 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: not cracking it. But you know, I understand why this 434 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: guy was not on their radar. He had never made 435 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: any moves on Tera Grinstead, hadn't stalked her, hadn't showed 436 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: up in her house, nothing like that. There's no reason 437 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: to suspect him. But if they can match up the 438 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: inn or the fingerprint, it's over. Plus, I got a 439 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty strong feeling he confessed or made some 440 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: kind of admission to the tipster. Looking at his face 441 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: in court, I kind of got that idea that he 442 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: was resigned to his fate. The the other people who 443 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: were really relieved, of course they knew they were innocent, 444 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 1: but other people would look at them with the SINI 445 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: and talk about them on Well, yeah, you know, because 446 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: the boyfriend was the boyfriend that's always the first person 447 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: to look at is the lover, the sweetheart. But they 448 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: never had enough to arrest him, and this is why 449 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: he's innocent. And there was the principle at the school 450 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: who she was at his house along with his family 451 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: and other teachers. The principle of the superncis and you 452 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: know that was unfounded. There was never a rest because 453 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: there was nothing to it. And down in Perry, Georgia, 454 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: the police officer who was a longtime family friend who 455 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: came to the house to check on her at the 456 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: request of her mom, that I who left his business 457 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: card in the door, just got all kinds of suspicion 458 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: because he had checked on her. I think, in hindsight 459 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: we all learn some lessons from this, and the lesson 460 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: is the lesson is let's be open minded about it, 461 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: and let's remember the only that not everybody can be guilty, 462 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: and that why are you looking at me because you're 463 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: not guilty. I think you're right. I think you're right. 464 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: And that's got to be balanced with the fact that statistically, 465 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: murders are committed by people, you know, and that's true 466 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: in this case, police just didn't know which way to turn. 467 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: All I know is this she can finally rest in peace. Okay, 468 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: That's what I know, and I hope the same for 469 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: her family tonight. Our prayers go on for the family 470 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: of Tara Grinstead and a major major break in the 471 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: case today. Thank you g B. I. You know, Nancy, 472 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: we've been doing this podcast for about a month and 473 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: a half. How many podcast if we've done we're a 474 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: couple of days so later there was a huge break 475 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: in the case. Corina Patronto, Corina Patranto, Jara Grinstad, Sara 476 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: dun Sarah Duncy. You're right. That's why we do this. 477 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: That's why we do it. That is why we do it. 478 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off from Crime Stories. Goodbye friend.