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Speaker 1: This the One Bill's Live presented by Calllida Health.

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Speaker 2: How is everyone doing on this March Madness Friday? Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you. One Bill's Live is the show.

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Speaker 2: Plenty of bill stuff to talk with you, but there

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Speaker 2: is no denying that March Madness is underway. My bracket

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Speaker 2: is a veritable mess for entertainment purposes only mind you.

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Speaker 3: Brownie and I have one that They're in the bottom

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Speaker 3: drawer of my desk. We haven't looked at them yet,

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Speaker 3: so mind's a mess. I know, I know yet, But

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to talk Jane Brownie and talking to NCAA

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Speaker 3: basketball tournament right now instead of bills and NFL stuff. Well,

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Speaker 3: his Northwest.

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Speaker 2: Western Wildcats are in the midst of a dogfight with

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Speaker 2: Florida Atlantic.

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Speaker 3: Think about it to you. In the run up to

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Speaker 3: the game, they also had a thing, I think it

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Speaker 3: was on CBS where they had Northwestern they got to

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Speaker 3: the first they got to the tournament for the first

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Speaker 3: time in two thousand and seventeen sevent teams and it

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Speaker 3: was the first time ever that the university had had

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Speaker 3: a you know, team get there. So they had a

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Speaker 3: nice little documentary put on by it. I was the

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Speaker 3: one where they totally got completely well, they won a game,

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Speaker 3: they won a game, and then they got totally I

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Speaker 3: jobbed yes by the officials and got put out in

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Speaker 3: the second round. Could have won the national championship that year, probably,

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Speaker 3: But so they're on there. They're playing again today with

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Speaker 3: Florida Atlantic, who went to the final four last year.

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Speaker 3: Very low scoring game at this point, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Steve and I are both Kansas fans as well.

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Speaker 2: Steve because his wife is in alum of Kansas. Ku

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Speaker 2: were native Kansas. Me because I fell in love with

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Speaker 2: Danny Manning in nineteen eighty eight and have never looked back.

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Speaker 3: That's when my That's when my wife and I were.

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Speaker 3: She was at kau Win. Danny Manning and the crew

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Speaker 3: was there. What a time to be Larry Brown and

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Speaker 3: those guys jokers. Yeah, great time.

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Speaker 2: And I have still to this day never seen a

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Speaker 2: quicker release on a turnaround jumper from the baseline than

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Speaker 2: Danny Manning.

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Speaker 3: It is never to be matched. That ball is.

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Speaker 2: I've seen it in I was fortunate enough to see

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Speaker 2: it in person because Kansas came and played at the

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Speaker 2: Garden in a February mid season tournament, and uh, my

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Speaker 2: number one team, Saint John's was in that group. It

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Speaker 2: was Kansas and I think it was like Wake Forest

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Speaker 2: and somebody else. So it was four teams. It was

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Speaker 2: during President's Week, and the Gardens somehow got those four

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Speaker 2: teams to show up and play.

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Speaker 3: So I got to watch.

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Speaker 2: Danny Manning in person on that Kansas team. And I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you right now, I have not seen a turnaround

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Speaker 2: jumper with a quicker release than that in all of

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Speaker 2: my life, and I don't know that I ever will.

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Speaker 2: Because the guy, he's got his back to the basket

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Speaker 2: on the baseline and he is turning around, you know,

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Speaker 2: to execute the turnaround jump shot, and he's six '

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Speaker 2: tent so more often than not he was getting it

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Speaker 2: off without getting it blocked. And he would turn around,

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Speaker 2: and I want to say sometimes he would even turn

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Speaker 2: do it. And sometimes he would turn over, you know,

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Speaker 2: the opposite shoulder, which is the natural way to do it.

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Speaker 2: I swear on my life, he would not even complete

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Speaker 2: the one eighty and the ball would be out of

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Speaker 2: his hand like he let it's out of his hand

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Speaker 2: at like one hundred degrees, not one eighty. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how he did it, Like he just had to

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Speaker 2: have this peripheral knowledge of where the ball, where the

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Speaker 2: ball had to go, and where the hoop was because

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Speaker 2: he would drain that shot routinely. Yeah, and he got

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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. So Brownie and I are both

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Speaker 3: KU fans and tight game last night. They got off

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Speaker 3: the air about one o'clock in the morning. This morning,

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Speaker 3: we both I watched it my ass and watched it

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Speaker 3: is but it's we're also all reminded of why you

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Speaker 3: got to watch watch the NCAA tournament. Sam Fold gave

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Speaker 3: him a game, man. Samford gave Kansas a game, and

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Speaker 3: Oakland was at Oakley, Oakland.

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Speaker 2: Universal, Oakland University of Rochester, Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Beats Kentucky and let maybe say them outside of the

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Speaker 3: Kentucky fans, let's face it, it's so delicious when that happens. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, it got a little dicey for Kansas last night

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Speaker 2: because the crowd was fully on board to have the upset.

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Speaker 3: They're chanting let's go for I was like, oh boy, man,

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Speaker 2: It is uh And just for the record, we we

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Speaker 2: do not expect Kansas to go very far. They got

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Speaker 2: to play Gonzaga in the next round and they're gonna

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Speaker 2: they don't have their leading scorer who's out for the

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Speaker 2: tournament with a bone.

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Speaker 3: Bruise and his knee.

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Speaker 2: But we did learn this, which I thought was cool.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Dickinson, the starting center for the Kansas Jayhawks. They

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Speaker 2: did a profile piece on him at the beginning of

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Speaker 2: the of the telecast and he's asked three things that

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Speaker 2: people don't know about him, and one of the things

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Speaker 2: he listed he's a Bills fan. Yeah, Hunter Dickinson, the

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Speaker 2: center for Kansas, Kansas is a Bills fan. He's from Virginia.

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Speaker 2: But from I did a little digging Steve, he's got

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Speaker 2: family in western New York, right, so that's got to

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Speaker 2: be the draw there. And if he grew up in Virginia,

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Speaker 2: you're really going to root for the comman, Like, come on,

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Speaker 2: what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Right? You might as well be a Bills fan. So

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Speaker 2: There was a cute little nugget we pulled out of

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Speaker 2: the telecast last night. Hunter Dickinson, center for the Kansas Jayhawks,

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Speaker 2: is a Bills fans and.

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Speaker 3: If you don't have any skin in the game in

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Speaker 3: the NCAA tournament, well there's a Bills fan playing for

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Speaker 3: one of the teams, so cheerful. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: It happens to be one of my teams.

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Speaker 2: I'd cheer for, so rock Chok. Yeah, so we're you know,

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Speaker 2: we're we're watching it, We're into it.

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Speaker 3: And that's fine. I don't know. I just I live

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Speaker 3: for this time of year. Yeah, it's it's fun, it's great.

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Speaker 2: I was, as you would say, I used to be

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Speaker 2: around the bend on this. Like I had a three

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Speaker 2: the basement and bring it.

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Speaker 3: Upstairs and do a brack and I would with a.

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Speaker 2: Ruler draw the brack draw. I was around the bed.

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Speaker 2: I don't do that anymore.

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Speaker 3: I get it. I It's listen, let's face it. It's

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Speaker 3: a blast. It's something that's become part of our culture.

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Speaker 3: And you know you do it. That's fun because you

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Speaker 3: got eighteen to twenty one year old kids, twenty two

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Speaker 3: maybe if you fulfilling a dream and let me tell

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Speaker 3: you something for all those seniors and all those kids

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Speaker 3: college athletes. That's it. They lose. They're done, their career

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Speaker 3: is over. They ain't gonna play pro. They're not going

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Speaker 3: to go to Italy. They're and play pro. They're nothing.

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Speaker 3: That's their last basketball game.

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Speaker 2: What are we what are we putting up there on

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Speaker 2: the Mount rushmore of genius inventions for America? Right, We're

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Speaker 2: putting up there the assembly line, you know, modern ingenuity,

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Speaker 2: assembly line, walking on the moon, the telephone.

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Speaker 3: Right alarm clock. It's a big one. Telephone. I didn't

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Speaker 3: know that, but that's a big one.

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Speaker 2: And the NCAA tournament, Like we're you want to love America,

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Speaker 2: here's why?

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Speaker 3: Like, well, yeah, I mean light bulb, modern engineer, light

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Speaker 3: bulb and the NCAA tournament hard pressed. Yeah, the assembly line,

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Speaker 3: and you know, put it all up there. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: it's got to be in the conversation somewhere. Think about it.

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Speaker 3: What because I think it's changed. It used to be

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Speaker 3: obviously back in back in the nineteen hundreds and the

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Speaker 3: mid nineteen hundreds and later the World Series was the

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Speaker 3: Indy five hundred, probably right.

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Speaker 2: On the Sporting Mount Rushmore, the Master's chain value, the

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Speaker 2: Masters and March mad Bulls, March madness. Madness has got

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Speaker 2: to be And I'll.

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Speaker 3: Say this, you think about why it's so good, and

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you why, because it's obvious. But let me

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Speaker 3: just be captain obvious. It's all over the country man.

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Speaker 3: Everybody gets a chance. Man. Everybody got a college kid

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Speaker 3: or somebody who is living and dying with it. It's awesome.

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Speaker 2: It is sports answer to the American dream, isn't it

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Speaker 2: a little bit?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean if you work hard and it's a

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Speaker 3: little bit. It's always like that, you know, It's always

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Speaker 3: like the movie Hoosiers, right where you got Oakland University

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Speaker 3: out of Rochester, Michigan in the ring against Kentucky. I mean,

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Speaker 3: one of the.

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Speaker 2: Most storied, blue blood, blue.

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Speaker 3: Blood basketball entities in the entire sport. And these guys

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Speaker 3: come in and start, you know, guy drains ten threes. Boom,

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Speaker 3: that was nuts. He shot the lights out. Take a

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Speaker 3: seck of that, Kentucky. Let's go right, I mean, because

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Speaker 3: then the kid, the kid comes on and they're interviewing

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Speaker 3: the coach and the coaches couldn't be you know, he

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Speaker 3: couldn't be more great. He's like, listen that this. I

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Speaker 3: can't tell you what this does for a universe city,

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Speaker 3: for our school, for our program. We'm just so proud

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Speaker 3: of my kids. And then the kid who drains the

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Speaker 3: threes leans and he goes, hey, we ain't no Cinderella,

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Speaker 3: like they're gonna win the whole thing. Bro, I got

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Speaker 3: news for you. It's you're in a lot adrenaline rush

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Speaker 3: right now. You ain't winning the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because my wife goes, what what did he mean

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Speaker 2: by that?

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Speaker 3: By the way, I had this great question to myself.

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Speaker 3: What I love when you ask how many wins in

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Speaker 3: this tournament until you get to be a Cinderella. You

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Speaker 3: gotta win I think three. You got to get to

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Speaker 3: the elite eight, right, you gotta win the not a

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Speaker 3: playing well a playing game might work playing game first round,

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Speaker 3: so you get down to round of thirty two, then

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Speaker 3: you get down to the Sweet sixteen. You gotta win

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Speaker 3: a sweet sixteen game before you're actually like, okay, here

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Speaker 3: we go. Now we got a shot at that, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's up for a monumental upset in

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Speaker 2: round one, Like if you're like, when.

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Speaker 3: That's out of Cinderella, that's an upset. Fifteen beating, that's

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Speaker 3: you an upset. Yeah, that's an upset. Then when you

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Speaker 3: win again, then it's like, oh my gosh, this is

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Speaker 3: the story. And then when you finally you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: now you're a Cinderella. See what you're saying. You're you

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Speaker 3: are going to marry the prince. You know, that's the

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Speaker 3: iconic Gus Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Call the Slipper still fits.

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Speaker 3: Gus a friend of mine, man, I love him. He's

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Speaker 3: the best. But that's it, right, that's it's got to

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Speaker 3: be three games. You gotta win. You gotta get down

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Speaker 3: to win that. You got to get to the Sweet

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Speaker 3: sixteen and then win before you're a Cinderella. Other than that,

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Speaker 3: it's just a couple of upsets. Yeah, right, I would

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Speaker 3: tend to agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, so cool stuff. I hope you're enjoying that.

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Speaker 2: We have some Bills stuff to take care of. As

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Speaker 2: far as news wise goes, you you saw the report

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Speaker 3: He could, he could still sign with the Bills and

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Speaker 2: You get you don't get salty.

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Speaker 3: You don't get salty, but you do rationalize.

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Speaker 2: I will say this though heavy rationalization from Steve Tasker.

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Speaker 3: Austin Johnson sign signs a contract in this weather. He

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Steve and I briefly had this conversation

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Speaker 3: So they're fifteen or twenty yards behind where their guys are.

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Speaker 2: The kicker is, the kicker is right the coverage The

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Speaker 3: I think from what I saw it was only five.

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Speaker 2: That it's gonna change the dynamics of the reparation for

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Speaker 3: What am I saying?

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Speaker 2: It's ten yards away from you, they're not forty yards

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Speaker 2: Maybe you want your best tacklers out there. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: That's the interesting part of it. You get big bodies

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Speaker 2: Right, So it's all gonna be where do you figure

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Speaker 2: to get into the strategy, like that's right, kicking away

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Speaker 2: from the return man, you know, to delay the release

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Speaker 2: of you know, the return team to come up and

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Speaker 2: meet our guys. Am I gonna hang it up high

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Speaker 2: in the air or am I gonna skitter one on

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Speaker 2: the ground.

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Speaker 3: So it's harder to feel than a kick in the air. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you gotta, and it's gotta be. The landing zone is

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Speaker 3: the twenty yard line and in of the receiving team,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna at least get it's got to

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Speaker 3: fly that far. But if you top spin it and

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Speaker 3: you get we've all seen it. The ball bounce. It's oblong,

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Speaker 3: it bounces funky, and that's I've always thought that was

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Speaker 3: an underutilized aspect of kickoffs because it's hard to do it.

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Speaker 3: But by the same token, if you get a good bounce,

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Speaker 3: the coverage team is in deep trouble because the guy's

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Speaker 3: got the ball in his hand and you're a long

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Speaker 3: way away from him because it gets there so fast.

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Speaker 3: So all of that's in play. All of that's in play, yep.

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Speaker 2: And that's why it's going to make for a pretty

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Speaker 2: compelling off season for every team in the league because

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Speaker 2: this is uncharted territory. And I would imagine that every

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Speaker 2: single special teams coordinator is going to be calling every

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Speaker 2: guy that coach special teams in the XFL for tips

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Speaker 2: and pointers right right, because at least they've done it

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Speaker 2: for a season.

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Speaker 3: Well, they'll have game film to look at and they'll

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Speaker 3: start to ask questions and they'll go to those XFL

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Speaker 3: coaches and what about this, how's come he didn't do this?

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Speaker 3: And why did you do that? And why haven't that? Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: that's the dialogue. Yeah, And because here's the thing that

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Speaker 3: everybody's looking for an inch and I was witnessed it.

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Speaker 3: Guys like Mike Tomlin in the room and and you know,

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Speaker 3: got all these guys, Dave Talb, all of them, and

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Speaker 3: they're asking questions like, okay, so if that you know,

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Speaker 3: the law of unintended consequences is something they really really fear.

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Speaker 2: They really look at the unintended consequences of the fair

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Speaker 2: catch that they put in last year. Returns at an

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Speaker 2: all time low, right, and they want returns in the game,

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Speaker 2: not out of the game.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 2: And to me, the tipping point was the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: thirteen kickoffs, no returns. That's not the kind of football

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Speaker 2: they want as a product. So that's why this XFL

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Speaker 2: kickoff I think is going to pass because they know

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Speaker 2: they want they want The motive is they want returns

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Speaker 2: in the game.

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Speaker 3: This will give that to them.

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Speaker 2: But unintended consequences, that's right.

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Speaker 3: The ripple effects have yet to be had witnessed. And

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Speaker 3: now they they that's why they asked another league to

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Speaker 3: implement it, to just get an handle. Let's get a

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Speaker 3: look at it, because it's a you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's a big change, big change. And where the ball

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Speaker 3: lands and how are they gonna work? And here's the

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Speaker 3: thing too, they have to officiate the play. So where

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Speaker 3: the official's gonna stand. You gotta have somebody who's in

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Speaker 3: charge of waiting until everybody, you know, to see both

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Speaker 3: you're gonna need catching it and the guys are releasing.

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Speaker 3: He's got to see all of that. So when the

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Speaker 3: guy catches it, then those guys take off. You know,

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Speaker 3: if somebody takes off early, I know, it's a penalty.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, there's a lot in there for sure.

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Speaker 3: And what are you gonna be allowed to challenge?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna be able to challenge leaving early? Are

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Speaker 3: you gonna be able to challenge off sides? Are you

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Speaker 3: gonna be able to challenge whatever? Whatever? Whatever? No, dude,

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Speaker 3: this game is so complicated.

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Speaker 2: It is Friday, which means the OBL Friday Fan mail

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Speaker 2: Bag is open for you to submit any question that

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Speaker 2: is on your mind regarding the bills, the league, free agency,

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Speaker 2: the draft, a draft prospect, anything on your mind at

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Speaker 2: all in the football un you let us know at

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Speaker 2: eight h three five point fifty one, eight eight five

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Speaker 2: point fifty two, five point fifty phone lines are open

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Speaker 2: for you, and we do have lines open, or you

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Speaker 2: can hit us up as always on the tweetsheet at

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Speaker 2: one bills Live on.

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Speaker 3: Twitter or x or whatever you call it these days.

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Speaker 2: I will say that I am curious, to say the

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Speaker 2: very least.

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Speaker 3: About that subject.

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Speaker 2: I may have to get on the horn with somebody

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Speaker 2: in the league to see if this new XFL kickoff passes.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean the fair catch rule that they implemented

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Speaker 2: last year goes away, because logically, in my head, I

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Speaker 2: think it has to. You want more returns in the game,

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Speaker 2: take everything out that promotes not returning the football, and

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Speaker 2: that fair catch is one of the most important things

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Speaker 2: that has taken returns out of the game, so I

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Speaker 2: would think they would eliminate that, But we haven't had

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Speaker 2: definitive word on it. So I'll do some digging this weekend,

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Speaker 2: maybe send some emails out and see if I can't

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Speaker 2: get a definitive answer on that. We will begin the

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Speaker 2: mail bag on the tweet sheet side of the Ledger,

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Speaker 2: and Barbara leads us off today and says, we have

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Speaker 2: two safeties who have never worked together. Maybe hiring Micah

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Speaker 2: as a consultant or even an assistant coach could bring

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Speaker 2: back the magic that was Poyer and Hyde. Who was

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Speaker 2: the coach that helped them back in the day. The

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Speaker 2: coach that helped them back in the day was your

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, Bobby Babbage.

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Speaker 3: He was the safety's coach.

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Speaker 2: When Poyer and Hyde came to Buffalo as free agents.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Babbage had worked with Poyer

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Speaker 2: in Cleveland, I believe, so he knew him pretty well

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Speaker 2: right out of the gate. We talked about this yesterday

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Speaker 2: on the show Steve. People are gonna get nostalgic now

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Speaker 2: that they're no longer here about what a great tandem

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Speaker 2: Poyer and Hyde were. And I said it flat out yesterday,

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Speaker 2: best safety tandem in team history. And it's not even close.

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Speaker 2: You have other individual safeties who were very good. One

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Speaker 2: of Steve's teammate, Henry Jones, was a fantastic safety here

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Speaker 2: for a long time. George SAMs back in the AFL days.

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Speaker 2: But Poyer and Hyde, they're the top of the heap.

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Speaker 2: In terms of safety tandem for this club in its

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Speaker 2: sixty plus year history. Getting that back easier said than done.

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Speaker 2: You're blank slating it now, and now it's on the

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Speaker 2: coaching staff and you have Babbage as your defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: You got new defensive back coaches on this staff now

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Speaker 2: that just came in the door this offseason. I think

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Speaker 2: change can be good. It's exciting, it's a new chapter.

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Speaker 2: Does it mean it's going to be better. No, and

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Speaker 2: there are no guarantees that it will. But nothing lasts forever,

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Speaker 2: especially in the NFL, which a lot of people will

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Speaker 2: tell you stands.

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Speaker 3: For not for long. But rest assured.

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Speaker 2: The Bills have hired coaches and have signed players that

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Speaker 2: they believe are the best way to get back to

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Speaker 2: that level of play in the midd of their defensive backfield.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, it's that's what. That's the way football is.

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Speaker 3: You got to keep on keeping on and the Bills

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Speaker 3: are going to do everything they can.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: They've got people in the room and they know how

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Speaker 3: and why. They've heard Micah and Jordan Poyer talk back

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Speaker 3: and forth, why they did this, why they did that.

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Speaker 3: They've been in the room when they studied the film

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Speaker 3: after the games when they watched themselves and what you

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Speaker 3: were doing and why it worked. So there are guys

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Speaker 3: like Taylor Rapp who have been in the room and

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Speaker 3: the coaches, Bobby Babbage and all those guys have talked

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Speaker 3: to them about why they did what they did, how

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Speaker 3: they did what they did. The symbiotic relationship they had

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Speaker 3: that was so unique, you know, had more to do

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Speaker 3: with the kind of people they were. But that doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean the conversations can't be just as high level as

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Speaker 3: they were with those guys. These guys they've got, like

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Speaker 3: Mike Edwards is a top level safety to do. He

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Speaker 3: understands that as well, so yours. One Super Bowls with

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Speaker 3: two different teams. It's going to be different. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean it's going to fall off the face of the earth.

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Speaker 3: They're still going to play at a high level back

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Speaker 3: there because of the qual with you coaching and the

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Speaker 3: quality athletes are gonna be back there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta take a break here, but when we come back,

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Speaker 2: we'll open up the phone lines. We'll lead off with

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Speaker 2: Peter on a cell and others holding at oh three

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Speaker 2: oh five to fifty, but we do have open lines

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Speaker 2: for you aight oh three oh five fifty one eighty

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Speaker 2: eight five fifty two, five fifty. It's the obl Friday

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Speaker 2: Fan mail Bag. You got a question, Steve, and I'll

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Speaker 2: try to have an answer here. Next on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by Colia Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right Friday,

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and

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Speaker 2: it's the Obel Friday Fan mail Bag. Any question on

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Speaker 2: your mind about the Bills, the league, free agency, the draft,

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Speaker 2: player prospect, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: Fired off at us at.

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Speaker 2: Aight o three oh five fifty one eighty eight five

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Speaker 2: fifty two, five fifty. Those are the numbers to get

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Speaker 2: on board. We do have open lines for you. You can

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Speaker 2: hit us up on the tweetsheet at one Bills Live

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Speaker 2: on Twitter. We go to the phones though, and leading

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Speaker 2: us off today is Peter up in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: What do you got for us? Peter?

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, how you doing good?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 5: So my question is with the new kickoff role, how

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Speaker 5: are they gonna do on by kicks.

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Speaker 3: Fourth and twenty?

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Speaker 2: I think, well, that's a separate proposal, but yes that is.

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Speaker 2: That's another thing that could change too. Where if you

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Speaker 2: elect to try to keep possession. I believe it's the

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Speaker 2: Eagles that are proposing this. You would have a fourth

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Speaker 2: and twenty at your own twenty yard line, I believe

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Speaker 2: was how the literature ran, and you would obviously have

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Speaker 2: to get a first down. You can only elect to

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Speaker 2: do that instead of kicking off if you are trailing

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Speaker 2: on the scoreboard in the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 2: so there are some stipulations. So you're asking, how would

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Speaker 2: a regular on sides kick happen if that proposal didn't

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Speaker 2: pass with this new kickoff rule in place, Peter, your

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Speaker 2: guess is as good as mine that.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's a TBD there if one, if one,

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Speaker 3: if this kickoff new kickoff rule passes, that is gonna

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Speaker 3: change the on side kick to right.

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Speaker 2: Yep, it has to, or maybe they line up with

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Speaker 2: their kicker like they normally do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have to wait and see.

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Speaker 2: I know the on side's kick is as unsuccessful is

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Speaker 2: as it.

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Speaker 3: Has ever been. The only time the onside hating possess

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Speaker 3: now is when it's unexpected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so sorry, we couldn't give you a direct answer.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question, Peter, Much like my question about Hey,

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Speaker 2: is the new fair catch rule on kickoff is going

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Speaker 2: to go away if they change the kickoff rules. Your question,

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Speaker 2: how does on side kicks look if this changes is

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Speaker 2: just as good a question. Unfortunately, we don't have that

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Speaker 2: answer yet, but we may by next week because the

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Speaker 2: owner's meetings are supposed to wrap up I believe on

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Speaker 2: Tuesday of next week, and maybe we'll have a more

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Speaker 2: definitive answer for you, so stay tuned for that. We

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Speaker 2: go to Bruce in ken More next.

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Speaker 3: What you got fors Bruce, Chris and Steve.

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Speaker 8: I'm a first time caller and I'm a huge fan.

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Speaker 8: I appreciate the insight and intelligence you both bring consistently

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Speaker 8: to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 8: The first thing I wanted to mention after Kansas City

657
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Speaker 8: won the Super Bowl again, I'm a little horse today.

658
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Speaker 8: I'm sorry there was talk about them being in Dynasty

659
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Speaker 8: and the obvious talk about the Niners and the Steelers,

660
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Speaker 8: But for me, the gold standard was the Green Bay

661
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Speaker 8: teams of the nineteen sixties from nineteen sixty to sixty seven.

662
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Speaker 8: In those eight seasons, they went to six NFL title games,

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Speaker 8: won five and two Super Bowls. And I think now

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Speaker 8: that we're three generations removed a lot of people forget them,

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Speaker 8: but I think they're the gold standard. The second thing

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Speaker 8: I had a question for both of you, what did

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Speaker 8: Spagnola do with Kansas City's defense that essentially reduced Dawson

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Speaker 8: Knox and George Kittle in the championship games to like

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Speaker 8: non factors. And the final thing I wanted to ask Steve,

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Speaker 8: I know about five or six weeks ago, you were

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Speaker 8: talking about when you were done with college. You seemed

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Speaker 8: like completely happy to be out of there and exasperated.

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Speaker 8: And my understanding was that Northwestern was always like the

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Speaker 8: Notre Dame of the Big Ten in the sense that

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Speaker 8: the actual athletes had to be students as well. And

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Speaker 8: I was wondering when you were an undergrad, like what

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Speaker 8: kind of courses did you take? Was there anything that

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Speaker 8: you did find interesting that stimulated you? And I'll wait

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Speaker 8: for your answers.

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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, Okay, a lot to unpack there, but

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Speaker 2: thanks Bruce. I think the reason the Green Bay dynasty

682
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Speaker 2: of the sixties is not as readily mentioned as some

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Speaker 2: of the other more modern dynasties is because it spanned

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Speaker 2: and the NFL Championship era and the start of the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl era. I think if it all lived only

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Speaker 2: in the super Bowl era, it might garner more respect,

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Speaker 2: But because it kind of came from, for lack of

688
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Speaker 2: a better term, the previous age of modern football and

689
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Speaker 2: then leapfrogged into the super Bowl era at the very

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Speaker 2: end of its dynasty, I think that's why it doesn't

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Speaker 2: get a lot of credit. I will guarantee you if

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Speaker 2: you ask any NFL fan under the age of forty

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Speaker 2: about green Bay, they will tell you they won the

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Speaker 2: first two Super Bowls without having any concept of knowledge

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Speaker 2: that they had won the previous five years as well

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Speaker 2: the NFL title. So I think it's it's sad, But

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Speaker 2: for younger fans prior to the merger and prior to

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl era, a lot of that stuff is lost.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, time it's sad, but true, not just to the

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Speaker 3: Green Bay dynasty of the fifties, but it's true of

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Speaker 3: all sports. Time dims the luster of how great those

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Speaker 3: teams were, and also the greatness of those packer teams

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Speaker 3: in the sixties also laid the foundation for a new

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Speaker 3: generation of players that followed them and were inspired by

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Speaker 3: them that elevated the game further so, and those players

706
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Speaker 3: came along and laid a foundation for what came. The

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Speaker 3: game was a completely different entity, and it was not

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Speaker 3: the juggernaut media magnet, content generator that it is today.

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Speaker 3: Plus the technology wasn't there to take advantage of it anyway,

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Speaker 3: so it was not the central source of television programming

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Speaker 3: that it is today. So it wasn't as big a

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Speaker 3: deal in the sixties, and that it was that it

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Speaker 3: is today, that it would be today if a team

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Speaker 3: was able to do it like Kansas City is. So

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Speaker 3: there's that time. Yes, the change in the game, yes,

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Speaker 3: and the amount of attention that the league gets is

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Speaker 3: different and therefore seems more sensationalized than it would have

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Speaker 3: than it wasn't in those days, even if those teams

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Speaker 3: were greater.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you asked about Kansas City's and what Steve Spagnolo

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Speaker 2: did to slow down the tight ends and the game plans.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest.

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Speaker 2: Kittle had not been a big part of the Niners

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Speaker 2: game plan down the stretch last season. More of the

725
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Speaker 2: passing game had filtered its way to Brandon Ayuk, to

726
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Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel, who is the focal point of that offense

727
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Speaker 2: without question, and McCaffrey. So Kittle is often left with

728
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Speaker 2: the table scraps. If you want to argue what they

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Speaker 2: did with the Bills and Dalton Kincaid, I will tell

730
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Speaker 2: you he was the second leading receiver in the Bill's

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Speaker 2: divisional playoff against the Chiefs. Shakir had seven receptions for

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Speaker 2: forty four yards. Kincaid had five for forty five, So

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he necessarily game plan to stop Kinkaid.

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Speaker 2: I think Diggs is still your number one priority, and

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Speaker 2: they effectively neutralized him with three receptions for twenty one yards.

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Speaker 2: I think Spagnolo just has a knack for kind of

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Speaker 2: neutralizing what your offense does best, and then cleverly has

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Speaker 2: expert timing with blitz calls. He knows when to be

739
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Speaker 2: aggressive and when to feign aggressiveness and back off. He's

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Speaker 2: just really, really, really good at it. That's for lacks

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Speaker 2: of an in depth in the Weeds description.

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Speaker 3: And plus you can also it always helps to draft

743
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Speaker 3: for quality starters in your second andry right defensive backfield.

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Speaker 2: That helps too, and then steve your Northwestern course load.

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Speaker 3: I went to a community college in Dodge City, Kansas

746
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Speaker 3: to play football first and then transferred into Northwestern. And

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Speaker 3: when I got to Northwestern, it was a Big ten

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Speaker 3: school obviously, and you're right. It was called the Harvard

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Speaker 3: of the Midwest. At the time I went, it was

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Speaker 3: the second most expensive university in the country to tend

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Speaker 3: next to Harvard. Good thing you got a scholarship, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And Dennis Green, the former great coach of the Minnesota

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Speaker 3: Vikings and the Arizona Cardinals, you know, the guy that's

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Speaker 3: they are who we thought they were. That was my

755
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Speaker 3: college coach. Great dude, uh much, really good coach, and

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Speaker 3: I liked it. I liked the guy a lot. My

757
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Speaker 3: experience at Northwestern was difficult, to say the least. I

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Speaker 3: was a small of kids from a small rural town

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Speaker 3: in Kansas in a rural state, in a rural town

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Speaker 3: in a rural state. And uh, my experience when Northwestern

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Speaker 3: was an enormous social adjustment for me because it was

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Speaker 3: a wide ranging population of star a big city near

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Speaker 3: a big city in Chicago, even though Chicago is a

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Speaker 3: Midwestern city. It was a huge adjustment for me and

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Speaker 3: really really good for me. As difficult as it was

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Speaker 3: really good for me. It greatly broadened my horizons and

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Speaker 3: I'll be forever grateful for that. But I'll say this too, personally,

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Speaker 3: it was very difficult, very difficult. I enjoyed. I got

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Speaker 3: some buddies there, loved it, and it was it was

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Speaker 3: great experience. I loved playing in the Big ten. But

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Speaker 3: it was difficult for me. I'm why, you know, and

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Speaker 3: I take you know, I take some measure of of

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Speaker 3: pleasure from Northwestern's uh successes on the athletic field and

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Speaker 3: all that, and I you know, I follow them all

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Speaker 3: the all the social medias, but I would my life

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Speaker 3: has been immersed in my family and my kids and

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Speaker 3: my my wife and my my career here in buff

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Speaker 3: Flow in the NFL. So I'm I don't spread myself

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Speaker 3: thin enough to get into the college athletic particularly in

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Speaker 3: the football thing, because I'm so neck deep in the

781
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Speaker 3: NFL and have been for thirty five six eight years.

782
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Speaker 3: So Northwestern was really good for me. But it was hard.

783
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Speaker 3: It was hard. Yeah, it was hard. So that's my experience.

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Speaker 3: That's my experience.

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Speaker 2: Your Wildcats are up by seven right now in the

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Speaker 2: second half. In case you're wondering, I got to take

787
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Speaker 2: a break here. But when we come back, more of

788
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Speaker 2: your phone calls we'll get to Ryan and Toronto. Bill

789
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Speaker 2: up north of the border, as well. We'll get to

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Speaker 2: you guys when we return here on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Stay tune.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to one of those live Chris Brown,

793
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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you. Going to get right back to

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Speaker 2: the phones as we promised, because we've got a couple

795
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Speaker 2: of people waiting patiently, so we'll get to them at

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Speaker 2: this point. I'm when we lead off this segment with

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Speaker 2: Ryan in Toronto.

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Speaker 3: What's up Ryan?

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Speaker 5: Because Power Good Good Stage used to being on the

800
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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. That's my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: The reason now, the reason I'm calling is why wasn't

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Speaker 5: Leslie Prince ane of the conversation for the DC coach

804
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Speaker 5: and opportunity. I understand that he left the Bills for

805
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Speaker 5: health reasons and when he was a DC, the Bills

806
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 5: were one of the best defensers in the league, and

807
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Speaker 5: he also got interviewed to be a head coach for

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Speaker 5: the Chargers. So why was he not considered to be

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Speaker 5: the DC for the Bills?

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting just ask he took a year off.

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Speaker 3: The word came out that he took a year off

812
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Speaker 3: because he wanted to step away from coaching for a

813
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Speaker 3: year and needed to take a break, kind of like

814
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Speaker 3: a mutual part of right ways. But I think there's

815
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Speaker 3: no His contract now was up with the Buffalo Bills

816
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: after this last year, and he wanted to continued coaching.

817
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Speaker 3: Said that fright from the start. He says he's not done,

818
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Speaker 3: but he wasn't. And I think there's no question he

819
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: left Buffalo due to either a change in philosophy or

820
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Speaker 3: he didn't want to work for Sean McDermott anymore, or

821
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Speaker 3: McDermott didn't want him to work for him, one of

822
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Speaker 3: the two. I think they were ready to part ways.

823
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Speaker 3: I think they're still friendly, but I think they got

824
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Speaker 3: to a point where Leslie Fraser needed something different and

825
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: needed to work for somebody different and wanted if he

826
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Speaker 3: wanted to advance his career, he was not going to

827
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Speaker 3: do it as the defensive coordinator of the Bills. So

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Speaker 3: you're right. The Bills defense was stellar under Leslie Fraser,

829
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Speaker 3: very solid, statistically, very high ranking. And if you're going

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Speaker 3: to criticize it and say why didn't they it was

831
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Speaker 3: never spectacular, not a lot of splash plays, never any

832
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Speaker 3: splash plays, not a lot of turnovers, not a lot

833
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Speaker 3: of sacks. But you know, hard to have good statistical

834
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Speaker 3: for whatever reason. And I don't know Leslie Fraser. It

835
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Speaker 3: was time for him to move on, and whether it

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Speaker 3: was Leslie saying it, Sean saying it, or the two

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Speaker 3: of them coming together and say yeah, it's time, but

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Speaker 3: that decision was made, no question about it. I still

839
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Speaker 3: think they're friendly. I still think they have relationship. But

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Speaker 3: Leslie Fraser left from what we're being what I understand

841
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Speaker 3: it was as much his idea and he was okay

842
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Speaker 3: with it as it was the Bills being okay with it.

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Speaker 2: And in case you're wondering, he was hired as defensive

844
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Speaker 2: coordinator in Seattle under new head coach Mike McDonald. Now,

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Speaker 2: McDonald is a defensive coordinator in his own right, so

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Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see the delineation of responsibility there.

847
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Speaker 2: Whether McDonald's going to call his own plays and render

848
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Speaker 2: Leslie to be an overseer of the defensive unit, or

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Speaker 2: whether Leslie will get the opportunity to call plays.

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Speaker 3: That'll be interesting to keep an eye on as the

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Speaker 3: season on faces and the Bills play and Leslie hawks

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Speaker 3: this season, once again Leslie coaching for a head coach

853
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: that was a defensive coordinator himself. So he's stepping right back. Yeah,

854
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: he's stepping right back into that same thing. We go

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Speaker 3: to Bill north of the border in Canada. What do

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Speaker 3: you got for his? Bill?

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Speaker 6: How you do?

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Speaker 7: I just want to tell you I listened to every

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Speaker 7: day and I love your show.

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Speaker 3: Oh thanks.

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Speaker 7: The reason I'm calling is I'm kind of a football

862
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Speaker 7: on net. Like I listen to all the podcasts, I

863
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Speaker 7: watch a lot of the shows I listen to radio,

864
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Speaker 7: and I never hear anything about coaching staffs, like we

865
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Speaker 7: know anything about players with their salary caps, but we

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Speaker 7: never evaluate the coaching staffs and ranked them like we

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Speaker 7: do with offenses and defenses and overall team rankings. I'm

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Speaker 7: just curious, like why is it so secretive? Like why

869
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 7: hasn't anybody ever listed anything like that? And I'm really

870
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 7: interested to hear what your opinions are about the level

871
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 7: of the coaching staff or the bills, especially when we

872
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 7: live in a time where these players are coming out

873
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 7: of call younger and younger and younger, and I think

874
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 7: coaching up players is extremely important. So that's my question,

875
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 7: and I'd like to hear your responsese.

876
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: Sure thing, Bill, I've said many a time, I am

877
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: pretty much the campaign chairman for this Sean McDermott's staff.

878
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: In the more than twenty years that I've covered, this

879
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: team is the best teaching player development staff maybe since

880
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: Marv Levy's staff that Steve played under. Players get here

881
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: and they get better, and that was not the case

882
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: during the seventeen year drought due to a number of things.

883
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: Constant coaching staff turnover, defensive or offensive system changes. All

884
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 2: of those things can stunt the growth of a player.

885
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: But I also think in some cases they didn't have

886
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: the right players here, players who were internally motivated to

887
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: improve their games.

888
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 3: There is a.

889
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: Daily growth mindset that exists here and they seek out

890
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: players with that in their DNA. And then on top

891
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 2: of that, they have young, for the most part, energetic

892
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: coaches who are eager to make players better. And if

893
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 2: you look at the coordinators on this team, on this staff,

894
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: you will see that they got even younger this year,

895
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: with Joe Brady assuming the offensive coordinator role on a

896
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: full time basis no longer the interim, and with Bobby

897
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: Babbage ascending from safeties to linebackers coach to defensive coordinator.

898
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: He's forty.

899
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: Joe Brady's thirty five and Sean McDermott said this coming

900
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: in the door. He needs coaches that can not only teach,

901
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: but bring an energy level to the practice setting because

902
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: he wants the most competitive practice setting they can generate

903
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: on a daily basis, because that's how you get better

904
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: and improve your performance on game day.

905
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: And it's interesting enough Bill from Canada that there's not

906
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: that many people interested in it. Well, and that's the

907
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: other I don't see rankings list. Nobody cares enough and

908
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 3: plus rankings, and it used to be I think the

909
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: media lags in this area because it's hard because of

910
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: the nature of what football coaching staffs are like. It's

911
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: hard for anybody in the media to gain access to that.

912
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: They may have a relationship with the dB coach, but

913
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 3: they don't know anything about the dB coach, or the

914
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: safeties or the passing game defensive coordinator, you know, the

915
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: offensive passing game coordinator. They don't know any of those guys.

916
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: And how a staff fits together is unique on every team.

917
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: And Brownie's right, this this Bill's coaching staff. There's some

918
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: question marks that are gonna come up about this coaching

919
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: staff because it's kind of been shuffled now for two

920
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: straight years. Certainly they've got Josh, they got these offensive

921
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: players that are going to carry them along and with

922
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: some continuity going forward, which is gonna kind of you know,

923
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: give you reason to think they're gonna win some games.

924
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: But the coaching staff probably does have some questions about it.

925
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 3: Bob Babbage. You know, it's a defensive coordinator for the

926
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: first time. It's hard for anybody to evaluate any coaching

927
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 3: stemp their own, even let alone somebody else, is because

928
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: the players they coach are different, you know. So it's

929
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 3: from yes, from year to year. So it's it's you know,

930
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: it's really I mean, you're getting into the deep weeds

931
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: trying to sort through why this coach had so much

932
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 3: Like like Spagnola, why is he having so much success

933
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: in Kansas City even with a young defense and then

934
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: with some old defense with that he certainly he's got

935
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 3: great players, but there's something behind that too, you know.

936
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: And you find coaches who have been like Leslie Frasier.

937
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he's left a wake of really good defenses

938
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: in his wake, but he was just so so as

939
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: a head coach in Minnesota. You know, it's hard to

940
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: evaluate a scept by just hardcore results, and those hardcore

941
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: results aren't always aren't always because of one coordinator or another,

942
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 3: or one position coach or another. It's a group. So

943
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: it's really hard to get a handle on an accurate

944
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: evaluation of how each staff is because each staff is

945
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: gonna go through changes, just like the Bills did this year.

946
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but when we begin our

947
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: number two in just a few minutes, we're gonna be

948
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: doing it with our good friend Greg co Sel, senior

949
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: producer from NFL Films, as we break down the Bills

950
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: free agency moves with him coming up next here on

951
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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live presented by co Lot of Health, It's

952
00:51:35,880 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio.

953
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: The One Bill's Live presented by Calllida Health.

954
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 7: All right, here we are.

955
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 3: Now, we're number two on a Friday.

956
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna catch up with Great co Sale, senior producer

957
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: from NFL Films in just a minute here. But it

958
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 2: is the obl Fan Friday mail bag, so we will

959
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: quickly squeeze in a phone call while we wait on

960
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: Greg and we go to William in the Elmwood Village.

961
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: What do you got for us? William? William, are you're there?

962
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: I don't think he is William hung up on us.

963
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 3: He might have. I don't know.

964
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: I'll put him on hold and we'll check back in

965
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: with him in just a second. We will check in

966
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: on the questions on the tweet sheet in the mailbag

967
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: here and one wabbit one says on a human side

968
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: of sports, Yes, that's their Twitter handle. These are the

969
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: people we deal with. Stevenette on a human side of sports.

970
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: How's Murph doing? And don't know what Tray is up

971
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: to this season? But do you think he would be

972
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: a great fit on the Bills coaching staff? Second part. First,

973
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: Trey White is making free agent visits. I know he

974
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: visited with the Rams and one other club. Now, presumably

975
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: this is exploratory in nature for those teams. They want

976
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: to get their physicians' hands on Tray to see how

977
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: his recovery from his achilles tendon rupture is going to

978
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: see when realistically he could be an option to join

979
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 2: an NFL roster. I don't believe he will be fit

980
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: to play at the beginning of the regular season in September,

981
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: but maybe by mid season he's an option for a

982
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: team that could use a veteran corner.

983
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not done playing yet, to be very honest

984
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 3: with you, that's that's the story on Trey White. Where

985
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: that happens, how it happens, and who it happens for

986
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: is it remains to be seen. He's obviously still recovering

987
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: and that's a tough spot to be in, but I

988
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: don't think he's done playing.

989
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: And then as far as Murf goes, we just saw

990
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: him a couple of weeks ago at an event. He's

991
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 2: doing well and trying to make as much progress as

992
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: he can.

993
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 3: And continues to work at it.

994
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: Other than that, there really isn't much more of an

995
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: update that we can provide.

996
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: He watches home games with us in the booth, you know,

997
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: behind the thing, and he himself he is exactly like

998
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 3: I've we've known him all these years and looking forward

999
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 3: to him recovering completely.

1000
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that.

1001
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 3: Let's go on to the next one from Randy.

1002
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: How far up do you think Bean would move to

1003
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: grab a wide receiver like Brian Thomas Junior? Or is

1004
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: it more realistic that the Bills focus defense with the

1005
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 2: first pick. Given the depth of receiver talent in this draft.

1006
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: I think it's largely going to be predic on what's

1007
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 2: there as it gets close to their pick.

1008
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 3: If they're at like.

1009
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: Pick twenty four and the top four wide outs are

1010
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: gone and they feel there might only be one more

1011
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: wide out worthy of the value in that range, well

1012
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: then maybe Brandon Bean makes a move, small move up

1013
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: the board to secure that player if he really wants

1014
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 2: a receiver. But I think here, to me, Steve is

1015
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: the fly in the ointment with making an aggressive move up.

1016
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: You don't have a third round pick, so if you

1017
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: make a move up the board number one, you're going

1018
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 2: to have to give up your only Day two pick

1019
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: at sixty presumably if you make an aggressive move, and

1020
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: probably a future pick as well, because you don't have

1021
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: a third round er to give this year. You have

1022
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: a couple of fourth rounders, But I don't know if

1023
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: that's going to be the AMMO you need to do that.

1024
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 2: So I could see them sitting where they are because

1025
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: I think with the way the board falls, I think

1026
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: they're going to get good value at either receiver or

1027
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 2: defense tackle. And because of that, I don't know if

1028
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean is gonna feel it necessary to move right.

1029
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be some value there. There's gonna

1030
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: this this draft is gonna have some quality, quality players,

1031
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: high level players available through the first round. And if

1032
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 3: you're willing to pick whatever position comes up, good for you.

1033
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 3: But if you need a specific position, it may get dicey,

1034
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: but there's you're still gonna get a guy, a player

1035
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: who you would expect not only makes your team but

1036
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 3: also contributes.

1037
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: Let's welcome in now our good friend from NFL film

1038
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: senior producer Greg cosel If joins us usually on Friday,

1039
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: so here he is in the off season doing that

1040
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: very thing.

1041
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: Uh so, Greg, thanks for joining us number one. And

1042
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 3: you know, the.

1043
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: Bills, I don't know if you could say they've swung

1044
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 2: big in free agency. Nobody really anticipated that they would

1045
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: because they were, you know, tight against the cap, as

1046
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: you know, but they've made, you know, a fair amount

1047
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: of signings here, most of them of the budgetary variety.

1048
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: But they handed out a nice contract to the receiver

1049
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel from Washington, who obviously Brandon Bean knows well

1050
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: because he was still with the Carolina Panthers when he

1051
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: was drafted by that franchise back in twenty sixteen. So

1052
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: you know, I know, you kind of live relatively close

1053
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: to the NFC East, you know, being in the Philadelphia area,

1054
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: so you see a lot of those games. What are

1055
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: your thoughts on what the Bills are getting in Curtis

1056
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: Samuel that you think he can add to their offense.

1057
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: Well, I think to me, one of the things that

1058
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 4: immediately stands out about Samuel is the fact that he

1059
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 4: can line up in so many different spots within your offense.

1060
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 4: And I always think that in today's NFL that's a

1061
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: really good trait to have for a receiver. I mean,

1062
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 4: we've seen other teams do that. You know, we've seen

1063
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: these teams now in the league use a ton of motion,

1064
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 4: a ton of formation variation with the receivers that can

1065
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 4: line up in multiple locations within the formation. I think

1066
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 4: Samuel brings that when he's been healthy. He's a very

1067
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 4: physical guy, so you know, we've seen him line up

1068
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 4: in the backfield. I think he's a really intriguing guy

1069
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 4: within the context of this offense. I think we all

1070
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 4: agree they need receivers. I would like to hope this

1071
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 4: does not preclude them from taking one in the draft

1072
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 4: as well. Obviously, you guys know it's a high level

1073
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 4: receiver draft. I'm sure that there's receivers in the second,

1074
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 4: third round that they would feel very comfortable taking. But

1075
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 4: I think Samuel is a definite upgrade at a position

1076
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 4: of need for the Bills.

1077
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: Yes, got is ste If Curtis Samuel is he? And

1078
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 3: I know, you know what I'm saying. When I say this,

1079
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: I hope I'm not being too you know, off the wall.

1080
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: But is Curtis Samuel's different enough from Steph Diggs to

1081
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: be a different type of receiver? I mean, it seems

1082
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: to me maybe these guys are a little too like

1083
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, too much alike.

1084
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 4: I mean, and I don't know even if they are.

1085
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure that that's one hundred percent true,

1086
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 4: But I don't know if that's an issue because ultimately,

1087
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 4: you know what we saw them do with Digs this

1088
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 4: past year, and you know, barring anything unforeseen and I'm

1089
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 4: sure Digs will be back. Is now you have multiple

1090
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 4: guys that can line up anywhere, and I think that

1091
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 4: that that's never a problem. Steve. You know, I think

1092
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 4: what you're trying to do is you're trying to make

1093
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 4: it such that the defense has to sort of figure

1094
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 4: this out both pre snap and post snap. So I

1095
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 4: don't think that's necessarily an issue, even if you do

1096
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 4: feel that they're somewhat alike. I would say, at this

1097
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 4: point in his career, assuming health, that Samuel probably gives

1098
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 4: gives you a little more juice than to Von Diggs.

1099
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it'd be great. Yeah, give me two Stefan

1100
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: Diggs get I get that. I was thinking more about

1101
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 3: body type, the type of player is you need, the

1102
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 3: big time, you know, the big six.

1103
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 4: Four ex So I think Samuel is a little thicker

1104
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 4: in his build, maybe a little more physical, just in

1105
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: the manner in which he plays because he's been used

1106
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 4: as a running back. Yeah, I mean that's the thing.

1107
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I remember him at Ohio State. There were

1108
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 4: times he lined up and carried the ball as an

1109
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 4: offset back and had big.

1110
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: Runs, right, And I kind of foresee Joe Brady tapping

1111
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: into that because that's what he did when he had

1112
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: him in Carolina in twenty twenty. Yeah, Curtis, Samuel's most

1113
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: productive season in the NFL was with Joe Brady as

1114
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: his offensive coordinator. How much of an advantage is that

1115
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: for Buffalo's offense? With Brady already having a wealth of

1116
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: knowledge as to what Samuel is capable of.

1117
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 4: Well, let me let me put it in these terms.

1118
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 4: And then there's another free agent that they've signed that

1119
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 4: I'd love to talk about. Well, let me put that

1120
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 4: in these terms. When I talk to coaches at the

1121
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 4: Combine and the Niners come up in conversation, one of

1122
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 4: the things I always hear is they are very difficult

1123
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 4: to play against because of the Deebo, Samuel and McCaffrey situation,

1124
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 4: because you don't know where they're going to line up.

1125
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 4: So now you have Samuel and James Cook. Now I'm

1126
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 4: not suggesting James Cook as McCaffrey, that's not my point

1127
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 4: in terms of talent, but Cook, now that Brady is

1128
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 4: going to be there as the OC for the entire offseason,

1129
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 4: and we know that Cook can detach from the formation

1130
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 4: and be one of those players as well. Now you

1131
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 4: have two guys, and not that it's an exact match

1132
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 4: for McCaffrey and Deebo, but you have a similar type situation.

1133
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 4: And as I said, all I heard from a lot

1134
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 4: of people at the Combine was how difficult that is.

1135
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 3: How deep at the top of this draft does the

1136
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: wide receiver position go? How many eyes do you think

1137
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 3: are good enough to be taken inside the top thirty.

1138
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 4: Two, possibly seven? Possibly?

1139
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?

1140
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 5: Right?

1141
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 3: Who are the bottom? Who are the bottom three?

1142
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 4: Well, I mean you just put up a list. I

1143
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 4: mean the top three are probably the top three. I

1144
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 4: would say the next two for me, you know, and

1145
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 4: again depending on order, are are for sure? Speed always plays.

1146
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 4: I mean Worthy is a speed guy. There will be

1147
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 4: people concerned about, you know, his size and his weight,

1148
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 4: but speed always rules in the NFL. You know McConkey is.

1149
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 4: I loved his tape. I think we've spoken about him. Ye.

1150
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 4: I could see someone looking at Troy Franklin and saying, ooh,

1151
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 4: that guy's got some speed. I mean, he's another smooth burner.

1152
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 4: So is it possible. I'm not gonna sit here and

1153
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 4: say you know who I think you know, but I

1154
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 4: think seven could go in the top thirty.

1155
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: All right, So let's let's go to the other receiver

1156
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: that Buffalo signed and mac Hollins. You know, it's it's

1157
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: a relatively under the radar type move, but I think

1158
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 2: for all intents and purposes, mac Hollins is going to

1159
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: be able to do a lot of what Gabe Davis

1160
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: did in this offense and he's gonna do it for

1161
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: one twelfth the price for what he signed in Jacksonville.

1162
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 4: And I think he's a better receiver between the numbers.

1163
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 4: He's a big kid. He's a great special teams player,

1164
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 4: by the way, He's a great guy. And I think

1165
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 4: that there's a physicality to his game. He actually when

1166
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 4: he came out of college, believe it or not, I

1167
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 4: believe it was North Carolina. Yes, he could have freaking run.

1168
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 4: I mean he had all these big explosive plays.

1169
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 3: Hey, he played with Trevisky there.

1170
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, every once in a while that shows up in

1171
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 4: the league. But I mean you can see with some

1172
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 4: of these highlights catching the ball on inbreakers with his hands.

1173
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 4: You know, he's a guy. Look, I'm not gonna sit

1174
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 4: here and say he's gonna catch seventy five balls in

1175
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 4: this offense. But he he's a big, physical, fast receiver

1176
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 4: who for whatever reason, never has really been able to

1177
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 4: be a volume receiver in the league. But he's he's

1178
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 4: one of those under the radar intriguing signings to me.

1179
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is, you know, that quintessential big bodied

1180
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 3: type dude. And you're right if you're looking for, you know,

1181
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 3: to build a roster. A guy like Mac Hollins who

1182
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 3: can play special teams, like you said, is a guy

1183
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 3: that probably is going to be active on game day.

1184
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 4: He's always going to be active on game day, and

1185
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 4: he helps you with your roster as well, because Steve, look,

1186
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 4: you know special teams way better than I So I'm

1187
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 4: not going to presume to know more than you do.

1188
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 4: You know way more. But you want those guys who

1189
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 4: can play great special teams but also figure meaningfully into

1190
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 4: a position because then it allows you to have another

1191
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 4: roster spot for someone else that can help you in

1192
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 4: whatever area that is.

1193
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: Right, right, A guy that played right under your nose

1194
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: season for the Eagles looks like a depth edition at

1195
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: the linebacker spot for Buffalo and Nicholas Morrow. Yeah, I know,

1196
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: he had the green dot and he had to actually

1197
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: start some games due to injury. You know, for the

1198
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: Eagles last year. We see him as a depth piece.

1199
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: But what do you see in terms of his skill set?

1200
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 4: Great, I'm gonna have to be honest here, guys, and

1201
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 4: I hope that no one's gonna like hang up or

1202
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 4: turn the turn off the He wasn't very good in

1203
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 4: Philly last year, to be honest, with you and you

1204
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 4: can't sign him and expect him to start. And I

1205
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 4: think you're right. He'd be a depth piece, probably a

1206
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 4: special teams player as well. He was one of the

1207
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 4: issues in Philadelphia, to be quite honest, I mean, I

1208
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 4: can only tell you what the tape shows. You know,

1209
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 4: That's what I do. You know, He's had some good

1210
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 4: seasons in the league, but last year was a difficult

1211
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 4: one for him. Can he get back to things he

1212
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 4: showed previously? That's hard to say, but yeah, he struggled

1213
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 4: quite a bit this past year. But can I mention

1214
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 4: one other defensive signing that I I really liked? Yeah,

1215
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 4: I think Mike Edwards is a really good signing. I

1216
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 4: loved that kid ever since he came out of Kentucky.

1217
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 4: He's played in the league. Now, what did he come

1218
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 4: out around? Twenty seventeen Brown, he's somewhere around there, yes,

1219
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 4: sixteen ensuring a bell. Yeah, I've always liked him a lot.

1220
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 4: He was with Tampa when they won a Super Bowl

1221
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 4: playing safety. He can play on the back end, he

1222
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 4: can play in the box. He's physical, he's aggressive, he's smart. Obviously,

1223
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 4: he was with Kansas City in recent years, so he's

1224
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 4: won Super Bowls. So I thought that was a really

1225
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 4: really good signing. You know, he's not a guy a

1226
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 4: lot of people think about as being, oh, this guy's

1227
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 4: a great safety, But I just think he's one of

1228
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 4: those really solid players that every defense needs on the

1229
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 4: back end. And we know that they needed to replace

1230
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 4: Hyde and Poyer, and I think Edwards is a really

1231
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 4: good fit.

1232
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: With the proliferation greg of more split safety looks. I

1233
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: don't you could tell me what you think about this.

1234
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: I think some of his strengths are maximized because of that.

1235
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?

1236
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 4: Yes? And keep in mind that one of the things

1237
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 4: that the Chiefs played a ton of split safety, and

1238
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 4: it wasn't quarters the way people think of quarters. It

1239
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 4: was kind of it looked like quarters, but they played

1240
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 4: a lot of two shell behind pressure. And if you

1241
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 4: talk to Steve Spagnolo will tell you it's not really

1242
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 4: quarters in a strict sense. But the point is it's

1243
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 4: still two shell and I think that Mike Edwards can

1244
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 4: play that really really well.

1245
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Edwards came out in twenty nineteen, is when he

1246
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 3: hit nineteen.

1247
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember watching him in Kentucky. I remember talking

1248
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,959
Speaker 4: to Todd Bowles about him at the Combine a number

1249
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 4: of years ago when he still was with Tampa. And

1250
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 4: I just think he's a really solid football player.

1251
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he came out in twenty he was with Tampa

1252
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 3: for four years. He was only one year with Kansas

1253
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 3: City last year.

1254
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh so, but he's won two Super Bowls, that's.

1255
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 3: Right, one with Tampa and with the Chiefs. Yeah.

1256
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: What do you think of the two hill kid? I

1257
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: see a high mode player there. Obviously, he was buried

1258
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: on a depth chart in Washington, you know, behind two

1259
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: former first round picks in Sweat, Yeah and Young.

1260
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 3: But he's got a little juice to him.

1261
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 2: I found him interesting just kind of watching him after

1262
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: the Bills picked him.

1263
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 4: Up another you know, he kind of fits what we've

1264
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 4: always talked about with the Bills. Brownie another tall, long

1265
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 4: defensive end. Okay came out of Stanford. As I recall,

1266
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 4: he was originally drafted by the Eagles and then went

1267
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 4: to Washington. He got a lot of playing time this

1268
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 4: year because they got rid of Sweat and Young. And

1269
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 4: you know what, he shows up on tape once in

1270
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 4: a while. Obviously he's not an explosive sudden mover, but

1271
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 4: he's long. He moves pretty well as you're seeing here.

1272
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 4: Be very interesting how he sort of fits and how

1273
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 4: many snaps he gets. Yeah, but he's you know, he's

1274
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 4: one of those guys, another one of those guys that's

1275
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 4: you know, worth having on your roster.

1276
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just go ahead.

1277
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 2: This just came to mind to me the other day

1278
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: and I said it on the air. He's kind He

1279
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of another guy that got from Washington.

1280
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 2: He's like Trent Murphy with a little more athleticism.

1281
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember Trent Murphy. Yeah, I remember he came

1282
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 4: out of Standford two and yeah. But no, Cahill's look,

1283
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 4: we all know a this time of year, you know,

1284
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 4: they're not every signing is oh my god, that's a

1285
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 4: wow signing. You're looking for competition, you're looking for depth.

1286
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 4: You're looking to make your roster better, and you know

1287
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 4: you hope that all these guys you sign ultimately do that.

1288
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 4: It's impossible now on me on March twenty second to

1289
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 4: figure out playing time or number of snaps or all that.

1290
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 4: That's that's an impossibility. But you're just looking for depth

1291
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 4: and more competition to make your team better.

1292
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 3: Has there been any surprises for you, that did make

1293
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 3: you say, oh, wow, that's a great sign across the league.

1294
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Speaker 3: I mean know, the Kirk Cousins signings probably the headliner

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Speaker 3: the entire offseason so far because of you know, the

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Speaker 3: career he's had and what possibly awaits him in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Any other names surprise you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'd be curious, you know, not that you

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Speaker 4: guys are studying this in detail, but I was kind

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Speaker 4: of surprised that it seems that at this moment in time,

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Speaker 4: the league has told Justin Fields that he's not a

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Speaker 4: starting quarterback. And again, I think Fields has some clear

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Speaker 4: concerns that show up on tape every week. But for

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Speaker 4: a guy who's played three years in the league and

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Speaker 4: has made, you know, his share of big explosive plays,

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Speaker 4: and though everybody now talks about quarterbacks that can you know,

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Speaker 4: play above the x'es and o's, I found it fascinating.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not making a judgment here. The league made

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Speaker 4: the judgment for us, But the league kind of told

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Speaker 4: us that they do not see Justin Fields as a

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Speaker 4: starting quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when the compensation is a sixth round draft choice.

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Speaker 2: But how do you, I know, you you're not in

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Speaker 2: the prediction business, Greg, But it's curious to me that

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Speaker 2: you have Russell Wilson, who's thirty six years old, essentially

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Speaker 2: playing for cheap because Pittsburgh's only got a shell out

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Speaker 2: of little over a million dollars for him with you know,

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Speaker 2: Denver picking up the rest of the tab. But fields

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01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,839
Speaker 2: contract's going to be up after this year as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and if you're starting Wilson, which is what Tomlin has

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 2: gone on record saying, how are you going to know

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Speaker 2: what you have in Fields before he hits free agency

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Speaker 2: short of an injury to Wilson.

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Speaker 4: You know, again, I'm not Mike Tomlin, and I don't

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Speaker 4: presume to speak for him or know what's in his head.

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Speaker 4: But all I would say is, it's mid March. Let's

1327
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Speaker 4: see how this plays out when the season starts. You know,

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Speaker 4: we don't know the answer to that. Players and coaches

1329
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 4: say a lot of things in the offseason. You guys

1330
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 4: know that, and then things do change. So let's wait

1331
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 4: and see on that. If it plays out the way

1332
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 4: you say, then it's it's a really difficult situation for

1333
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 4: Justin Fields because then he ends up being essentially a

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Speaker 4: backup quarterback and he's going to get backup quarterback money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's And I'll say this though, if Pittsburgh is

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Speaker 3: going to have an entire to evaluate him on and

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Speaker 3: off the field. They may not see him in games,

1338
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 3: but they're gonna see him every day in practice. They'll

1339
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 3: watch him and they'll understand what he they'll get to

1340
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 3: know him, and yep, they will have obviously an inside

1341
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 3: track by setting a value to him and saying, listen,

1342
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Speaker 3: we'll give you one year deal now, and now Russell

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Speaker 3: Wilson's done, you can come in. We're gonna let you

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Speaker 3: start here and we'll give you a one year proven

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Speaker 3: deal or or will and you know that kind of thing.

1346
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Speaker 3: So it is, and for a sixth round pick or

1347
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Speaker 3: the price that Pittsburgh paid to get him, it seems

1348
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Speaker 3: like a pretty smart move if they can evaluate him accurately.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and your point is great, And I think a

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Speaker 4: lot of fans don't think of it that way. They're

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01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 4: with him every day now, right, so they're gonna know

1352
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 4: what he is both off the field, on the field, meetings,

1353
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 4: you know, all those things that go into it. I mean,

1354
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 4: that's a great They're gonna know him so well at

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Speaker 4: starting very soon and they'll know whether, Hey, this guy

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01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 4: could be our future quarterback because Wilson, I mean, I

1357
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 4: don't know how long Russell Wilson wants to play. I

1358
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 4: don't know what level he can still play at. He's

1359
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 4: a certain kind of quarterback at this point his career.

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Speaker 4: And we'll see how that all plays out.

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Speaker 2: Last thing quickly before we let you go, Greg. With

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Speaker 2: Mitch Morris becoming a salary cap casualty and signing in Jacksonville.

1363
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: The general consensus up here, at least from reports that

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01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: we've heard, is the intention is to slide Connor McGovern

1365
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 2: into the pivot and let David Edwards, who re signed,

1366
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: man the left guard spot. And we know he's been

1367
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 2: a starter in the league, so that's not the concern.

1368
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: But Bill's fans are concerned about Connor McGovern being penciled

1369
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 2: in to the center spot, knowing that he only has

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Speaker 2: one hundred career snaps at center. I know he played

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Speaker 2: his entire I think freshman or sophomore season at Penn

1372
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 2: stayed at center. It's not completely foreign to him, but yeah,

1373
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: you don't have a lot of reps at this level,

1374
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: and that's kind of caused some concern amongst fans, Uh,

1375
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: what do you think about his position flex ability?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think if you're just looking quite frankly as uh,

1377
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 4: you know, as an abstraction as we're talking, you think

1378
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 4: he can handle it. We're not going to know that

1379
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 4: until we, you know, start going through real games. To

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01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 4: be honest, I mean, obviously they'll have a feel for

1381
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 4: it going through OTA's mini camp, training camp all that.

1382
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 4: Will they draft an interior alignment, you know, someone who

1383
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 4: can play center, they could well do that. You know,

1384
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 4: you can get those guys later in a draft. You

1385
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 4: don't have to do that in the first or second round.

1386
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 4: And unless someone that they love, you know, falls to again,

1387
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 4: you know, offensive linemen, particularly interior offensive linemen, are not

1388
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 4: sexy picks. You guys know that. But they picked twenty eighth, right, yep, right.

1389
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 4: So let's say let's say the kid from Oregon sitting there,

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01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 4: you know, Jackson Powers Johnson, who I've done and is

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01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 4: a real good prospect. And again, I have no idea

1392
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 4: how you know the guys up there think I couldn't

1393
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 4: tell you that. I have no idea how you know

1394
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 4: the brass thinks. But let's say he's sitting there at

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01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 4: twenty eight and they love him, and he's the nineteenth

1396
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 4: best player on their board. You know, maybe you draft him.

1397
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 4: You know, it might not be a sexy pick, but

1398
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 4: it might be a pick that you feel. You know, hey,

1399
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 4: we just showed up an area that we need to

1400
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 4: shore up.

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01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 3: Greg, you were sitting here every day asking our listen,

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 3: have the Bills gotten to a point you know, with

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01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 3: Mike Edwards, with you know, Mac Collins, with Curtis Samuel,

1404
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 3: with all these guys they're signing. Have they gotten to

1405
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 3: a spot where they can take whoever they want on

1406
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 3: the board in the first round all the way through?

1407
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 3: Can they take the best player? And the question is

1408
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 3: not quite no.

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01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 4: I mean, look, here's what you'd love to see. I mean,

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 4: I'm just giving you my opinion based on film. I

1411
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 4: think you'd love to see them get one of those

1412
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 4: kind of past rushers where you say, we have to

1413
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 4: account for him. Now, that may not happen to twenty eight.

1414
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I think that's what you'd love to see. Look,

1415
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 4: you could argue their offensive line was very good last year.

1416
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 4: I think were they the only team in the league

1417
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 4: that started the same five all year? Yeah, and by

1418
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 4: the way, that's very rare. That may not happen again

1419
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 4: for the Bills. I mean, I'd be very surprised if

1420
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 4: it does. You know. So, you know, sometimes you have

1421
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 4: to make picks that make your team better that the

1422
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,799
Speaker 4: fans don't view as like I said, a real sexy.

1423
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 4: You know, everybody wants a pass rusher, everybody wants that

1424
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 4: big time wide receiver. Everybody wants an explosive weapon. You know,

1425
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 4: everybody wants to shut down corner. You know, sometimes you

1426
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 4: have to pick, just pick really good players that make

1427
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 4: your team better.

1428
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's totally fair. I get it.

1429
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 2: Greg, Thanks as always for the time. Have a great weekend.

1430
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you.

1431
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: Later on here in the offseason.

1432
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 4: Thanks all right, God, I appreciate it. Thanks so much.

1433
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 3: Thanks Greg. That's great.

1434
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 2: Co Sale joining us senior producer from NFL Films as

1435
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 2: he was kind of dicing up what the tape told

1436
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: him about Buffalo's free agent acquisitions. We take a break,

1437
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: but we're back with more, including your phone calls and

1438
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: your comments and questions on the Obel Friday fan mail bag.

1439
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 2: Next here on One Bill's Live. Stay tuned, all right,

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01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 2: welcome back to One Bill's Live. Here on a Friday

1441
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 2: obl Friday fan mail bag, and we're gonna check a

1442
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 2: second time on the phone lines. We'll check in with

1443
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: William in the Elmwood village. William, you are with us, Okay,

1444
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna put him on hold.

1445
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 3: I don't think he's talking to somebody else. He's talking

1446
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 3: to somebody else.

1447
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 2: He's on the other line clearly, so he's Uh, we'll

1448
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 2: check in with William another time.

1449
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 3: It's not happening today. Uh.

1450
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 2: So with that, we will go back to the fan

1451
01:17:54,560 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: mail bag on Twitter, where Ed asks does Latavious Murray

1452
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 2: get re signed. I wouldn't rule it out, but I

1453
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,839
Speaker 2: would put it at less than fifty to fifty.

1454
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 3: Here's why.

1455
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 2: Number one, he's thirty four years of age, and I

1456
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: think number two he fell victim to the same thing

1457
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: we saw Frank gorefall victim too in his one year

1458
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 2: in a Buffalo uniform. His legs just went south on

1459
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 2: him in the second half of the season, and it

1460
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: was a big reason, well I shouldn't say a big reason,

1461
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: but it was a factor in why Ty Johnson ultimately

1462
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: replaced him as the number two back behind James Cook.

1463
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,839
Speaker 2: Murray was great in the first half of the season,

1464
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: but his burst and explosiveness really kind of left him

1465
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 2: in the second half of the season, and his yards

1466
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: per carry average dropped precipitously because of that.

1467
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and I think it'll have more to do

1468
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 3: with stuff we don't know about what they really thought

1469
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 3: about him, how he played down the stretch.

1470
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 2: Down We got a public address, public addressing us, so

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01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 2: we have to evacuate, Okay, So.

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01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 3: It'll be more about what they think about Latavious, what

1473
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 3: he can bring to the table, how much they will

1474
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 3: use him, and how effective he'll be throughout a seventeen

1475
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 3: eighteen week schedule. And I guess Brownie and I are

1476
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 3: kind of showing our hands. I think neither of us

1477
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 3: really believe it. An eighteen game schedule isn't isn't too

1478
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 3: much for him at this point.

1479
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, the guy keeps himself in immaculate shape.

1480
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: But as we know, Father Time is undefeated with every

1481
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 2: professional athlete that's ever lived.

1482
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 3: Nobody plays forever.

1483
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: And I would say Latavius Murray has gotten just about

1484
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 2: every ounce of what he could get out of his

1485
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: ability and his body in a very lengthy eleven year

1486
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 2: NFL career. At the most punishing position in the sport,

1487
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 2: which is running back. Brian asks, how confident are you

1488
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 2: they won't have a glaring hole entering the draft.

1489
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 3: I'm confident they're not gonna have a glaring hole. There

1490
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 3: might be some positions where they've got more question marks

1491
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 3: than others, but I'm sure we're going to have more depth.

1492
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 3: They're gonna have more than enough warm bodies to cover

1493
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 3: a roster. So I don't think there's gonna be a

1494
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 3: glaring hole like it was two weeks ago on the

1495
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 3: defensive line and safety. So no, I don't think they'll

1496
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 3: have a glaring hole. They Brandon Bean has said it

1497
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 3: every year he's been here. You don't want to have

1498
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 3: a positional emergency going into the draft, so they won't. Yeah.

1499
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: I think between now in the draft, you'll see them

1500
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 2: add some depth on the offensive line. They've got to

1501
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 2: add some depth on the defensive line, particularly on the interior,

1502
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: where for all intents and purposes, you have At Oliver

1503
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: and Daikwon Jones.

1504
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 3: So I would expect the lines.

1505
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 2: To be fortified with depth additions, and then you might

1506
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 2: even see another addition or two, you know, perhaps at linebacker,

1507
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: perhaps at corner. So yeah, there's plenty of time. You

1508
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: got over a month before the draft. And let's not

1509
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 2: forget Brandon Bean has also demonstrated that he's willing to

1510
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 2: make additions post draft. Sometimes you anticipate based on a

1511
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 2: plan that you have in your mind's eye. Now, you know,

1512
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 2: with eleven picks, even if we end up with nine,

1513
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 2: we'll probably come out with this many players on offense,

1514
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: this many players on defense.

1515
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: Then the draft happens.

1516
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 2: And none of that came to fruition and you're like, h,

1517
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: we didn't get quite what we wanted at position X

1518
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 2: and Y in the draft. We may have to address

1519
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: that in free agency here in May or June, which

1520
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 2: is kind of what we saw last year with the

1521
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: Puna Ford and Leonard Floyd signed.

1522
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 3: We're thirty four days away from the national from the

1523
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 3: NFL Draft, thirty four days, just over a month, and

1524
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 3: it'll there'll be some signings now then too, the free agents.

1525
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 3: There'll be some guys that want to get on a

1526
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 3: team before the draft, and then they'll also be some

1527
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 3: guys who get on rosters after. You know, like Leonard

1528
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 3: Floyd last year, I think he was after post draft.

1529
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 3: It was June. Yeah, So there's still gonna be guys

1530
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 3: out Yeah, we'll see there. It may and I'll say this,

1531
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 3: I have no clue about the possibilities of this, but

1532
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 3: it may be that like last year at this time

1533
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 3: or after the draft, Brandon b New said, listen, there's

1534
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,440
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys. There's Leonard Floyd's out there, Poonaford's

1535
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 3: out there. We got some guys out there on the

1536
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 3: defensive line. So let's not draft any unless they really

1537
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 3: jump at us, if they get the value we wanted

1538
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 3: that pick, let's just skip it and we're gonna go

1539
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 3: get a guy and sign them to a one year deal.

1540
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 3: In free agency, there might be a little bit of

1541
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 3: that going on as well. Because that's all behind closed door.

1542
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 3: You don't want anybody to know about that for obvious reasons.

1543
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 3: I mean, the free agent d linemen are gonna like

1544
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 3: le say, well, you gotta sign me now, right because

1545
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 3: you skip nobody will know that. Yea, So there's I

1546
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 3: think there's a possibility that that's going on. They know

1547
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 3: who's out there, how good they are, and how many

1548
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 3: guys are out there. They also probably have a pretty

1549
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 3: good hand who's wants those guys, So some of that

1550
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 3: could be going on too. They may wait till after

1551
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 3: the draft. If there's a free agency like safety, if

1552
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 3: there's a free agency position where there's nineteen guys that

1553
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 3: are starters, they can wait. And that's a deep pool.

1554
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 3: Let's wait.

1555
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones and we'll go to

1556
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 2: David in Daytona Beach.

1557
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 3: What's up, David.

1558
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 6: Guys are out there.

1559
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 3: David turned down your radio, buddy, you're on.

1560
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 2: So all right, I'm gonna put David on hold. He's

1561
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 2: listening to his television or radio, not to us on

1562
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: the phone lines. So we'll get back to him in

1563
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 2: just a second. Uh, let's go to Nick, who asks,

1564
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 2: would you trade next year's one and a four along

1565
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,839
Speaker 2: with this year's two to go up and get Marvin

1566
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 2: Harrison junior?

1567
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 3: And that means this year's one as well? Right, Well, yeah,

1568
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 3: I would, Yes, you're get a twenty eight years, you

1569
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 3: pick your give up this year's twenty eight, next year's one,

1570
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 3: next year's number one, number four, and so this year's

1571
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 3: one and two and next year's one and four to

1572
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 3: get Marvin Harrison junior.

1573
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 2: Now, well, maybe he's saying stay at twenty eight, stay

1574
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 2: at twenty eight. This year trade next year's one.

1575
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 3: Well, you're not gonna get it done for that. That's

1576
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 3: not enough. That's not enough. That's not enough to get

1577
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison junior BA and even Marvin Harris Junior. You'd

1578
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 3: have to trade. You're gonna have to trade up A.

1579
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 2: One, A four, and this year's two. So pick sixty one,

1580
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: twenty eight and next year's one. That's not enough to

1581
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: get up to four. No, Okay, even if it was,

1582
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 2: I still wouldn't do it. And the reason why is

1583
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 2: because I'm not gonna do that in a draft that

1584
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: has upwards of five to six elite receivers. Why would

1585
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 2: I do that if I can get Like if the

1586
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 2: separation between Harrison Junior and ad Mitchell is three rounds

1587
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 2: on my board, I'll listen to maybe probably trying to

1588
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 2: put a trade package together. I don't think that's the

1589
01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 2: case for anybody in the entire league. Ady Mitchell is

1590
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 2: not three rounds lower on the grading scale for anybody

1591
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 2: than Marvin Harrison's point value.

1592
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 3: Even if you give the Bills like a thirty second

1593
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 3: value on next year's number one draft pick, Like if

1594
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 3: you're gonna pick thirty second because you win the Super Bowl,

1595
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 3: you would get up to this year's one, this year's two,

1596
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 3: Next year's one would get you to about why are

1597
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 3: we talking? That would get you to number eight.

1598
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 2: Okay, so still not good enough. Yeah, I even if

1599
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: it was enough, I wouldn't do it, simple as that.

1600
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1601
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: So, and if getting next, if you add next year's

1602
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 3: number two, because you.

1603
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: Got a deep pool the receiver talent, it doesn't make

1604
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: sense number four. You would have to love Marvin Harrison

1605
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 2: and hate everybody else at the receiver position to do that.

1606
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 3: In my estimation, Yeah, you're not. You're gonna yeah, it's

1607
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 3: not gonna happen. And plus you got to get somebody

1608
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 3: to say yes.

1609
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 2: Well yeah, that's the other It takes two to tango

1610
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: on a trade.

1611
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 7: You're right.

1612
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,839
Speaker 2: Let's let's try once again to squeeze David and daytona

1613
01:25:58,880 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 2: beach in here.

1614
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 6: What do you got, David, Good afternoon, gentlemen. I have

1615
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 6: a real, dark, dark horse wide receiver out there that

1616
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 6: doesn't show up on anybody's draft list. Okay, probably shows

1617
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 6: up on Brandon's draft list. I watched every single Florida

1618
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 6: State game this year, and Keon Coleman always shows up

1619
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 6: in the top seven or eight. He wasn't even the

1620
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 6: best receiver for Florida State. Johnny Wilson six feet seven,

1621
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 6: two thirty five.

1622
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the giant kid. Yeah.

1623
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 6: Uh, end zone and sideline passes their money. He can

1624
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 6: out he can out jump everybody, and his height and weight,

1625
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 6: I can't believe that he's not in at least the

1626
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 6: top twenty. I had never heard anybody mention him, but

1627
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 6: he outperformed keyon Coleman all year long.

1628
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 3: What's it? I remember what's his name of, Johnny Wilson,

1629
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 3: Johnny Wilson, Johnny Wilson.

1630
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, David. I mean, I'll I'll say this. Uh,

1631
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 2: he's not ranked is high. I think because in terms

1632
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: of pure athleticism, he's not as fluid an athlete as

1633
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 2: some of the top receivers are in this class. And

1634
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 2: while size is certainly an asset, it has to come

1635
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: in the right package. I've seen some people project him

1636
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 2: as a tight end because of his height, So I

1637
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,440
Speaker 2: think there's a little bit of mixed opinion on him.

1638
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 2: Some people like him a lot like you do. Others

1639
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 2: feel a little bit differently for whatever reason. I think

1640
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 2: he's gonna get drafted, but I think at best he's

1641
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 2: a Day two guy.

1642
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 3: Which means the Bills may take him. I mean they pick.

1643
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 2: At sixty yeah, yeah, especially if they don't get one

1644
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 2: in round one.

1645
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 3: And for those of you who don't know who Johnny

1646
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 3: Wilson is, he's six six, weighs two thirty and played

1647
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 3: a lot and you guess you can imagine he's a

1648
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 3: big target. He's a tight end type of wide receiver

1649
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 3: in a four or five two, which is just barely

1650
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 3: off of four to four, so he can scoot at

1651
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 3: that size and weight. Physically, he's off the charts, no

1652
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 3: question about it. He's a giant dude, ninety eighth percentile

1653
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 3: in height for the position, ninety seventh in weight. His

1654
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 3: hands are big, his arms are long, his wingspand is

1655
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 3: the longest of anybody. A long broad jump, good ten yard,

1656
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 3: good vertical, good shuttle. He tests off the charts. This

1657
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 3: would be a kind of guy. And you may be David's.

1658
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 2: Calling from Dayton. Toby watches a lot of Florida.

1659
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,799
Speaker 3: You may be right, David, but I'll say this, Johnny

1660
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 3: Wilson is the exact kind of guy that you sit

1661
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 3: come in, you talk to him, you bring him in,

1662
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 3: you sit him down and you find out what's your deal.

1663
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 3: If he passes all that to the eye test and

1664
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 3: the interview test, he may be just exactly what you're

1665
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 3: looking for.

1666
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, Steve and I wrap it

1667
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 2: up next on one Bill's Live. All right back here

1668
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 2: on one of those live just a short bit of

1669
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 2: time left. Congratulations to Steve's Northwestern Wildcats. They beat fau

1670
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 2: In over jive, so they advanced.

1671
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 3: We're a wagon Baby, advanced to the round.

1672
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: Advanced to the round of thirty two for only the

1673
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 2: second time in the school's history. If they win their

1674
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 2: next game, Steve unprecedented Sweet sixteen, it would be their

1675
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 2: first Sweet sixteen ever.

1676
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 3: Guys, I can't wait. Well, no, by Monday.

1677
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 2: We'll see you on Monday at one