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Speaker 3: The media contingent is expanded rapidly.

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Speaker 2: Really like what I was just gonna say, these people

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Speaker 3: Know, yes, personnel, you got me.

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Speaker 2: They have this new thing in the NFL where where

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Speaker 2: you have to look at something it's biometric and it

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Speaker 3: We'll try to use the face scanner that you know

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Speaker 3: might be not and they're like, where.

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Speaker 4: Do I put my face? I'm like, just stand in

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Speaker 4: front of me, Like it's not that hard, but it works.

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Speaker 4: Themes how many times the show he makes fun of

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Speaker 4: me I might have been a certain someone.

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Speaker 2: When you know what, they would blame nine to eleven

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Speaker 2: for all of it. This is when it started.

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Speaker 4: Nine to eleven happened, and then thirty years later we

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Speaker 4: decided to have facial run.

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Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens. We'll get Evan's picks post mortem.

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Speaker 1: Make sure he puts them in before the Thursday night

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Speaker 1: came as well.

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Speaker 4: Try. I mean, he sends them to me. Don't do

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Speaker 4: not call in to question the integrity of the picks.

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Speaker 2: Want to be the best. You gotta beat the best, Paul, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: you can't be losing at all. This is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Julius Stadium, and they're becoming victory Tuesdays more and more.

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Speaker 5: Four to row, Baby, get tues yet, it's nottty close.

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Speaker 5: I sick of the twelve I want to get back

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Speaker 5: to thirteen win seasons. All right, we don't know more

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Speaker 5: of this twelve win stuff. Let's get to thirteen on.

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Speaker 2: Top of the AFC East, second best record in the AFC. Patriots,

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Speaker 2: let's go, baby.

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Speaker 4: You get a fresh cut there, Freddy?

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Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, yeah, jail barber down here in.

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Speaker 4: Five Morning Street, you get fresh cuts? Look ye coming up?

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Speaker 1: We didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't notice it's going there. I heard Rabel's been

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Speaker 4: I might have heard that as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, might have heard that from a little birdie

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Speaker 3: to g.

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Speaker 2: L barber down in Foxborough.

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Speaker 5: They did, they know, they know who Evan is. They

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Speaker 5: give Evan. They they kne who you were, They knew

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Speaker 2: He said, how's how's my friend Evan?

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Speaker 4: He's probably like it's been like three or four weeks.

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Speaker 4: Where is he?

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Speaker 2: You know, he's doing good? I said, he's working hard,

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Speaker 2: working hard time.

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Speaker 1: Three road games in a row, hard to get over there.

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Speaker 2: So but enough of the barber shop talk. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to the Patriots. We need to talk about this game

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Speaker 2: and what we learned, what we should be excited about. Yes,

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Speaker 2: what are the things that could hurt them down the road.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talk about it all here, We talk

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Speaker 2: about it all. But the first things. First, freaking May, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Drake freaking May. What did you have ninety completion rate?

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Speaker 2: This is insane?

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Speaker 4: And I have a little aside.

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Speaker 2: Has the league ever seen this before?

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Speaker 4: I have a question for Evan. Yes, Paul, I saw

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Speaker 2: I'm not a big well even the throat to Kyle

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Speaker 4: I just how I wanted to know how it worked. Like,

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Speaker 2: But this is astounding, the numbers that he's putting up.

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Speaker 4: But he also ain't checked down, Charlie.

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Speaker 2: No, but he's not checked down. He's he's run, Charlie.

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Speaker 4: That's why the completion percentage is as high as it is.

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Speaker 4: That's right, because he's not throwing the ball away.

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Speaker 4: Well, they're either they're either sacks or runs. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about it on the Post Came Show.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want him to stop running.

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Speaker 4: No, I want him to run when he needs when

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Speaker 4: he needs to. Well, not every time that the play

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Speaker 3: And look, we're saying this as a way of like

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Speaker 4: Not in a way of like we have a new

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Speaker 4: show disclaimer, right whatever, just said, we're now evaluating this

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Speaker 3: But he's got Hunter Henry just like sitting right down

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Speaker 3: very much nit. This guy's playing at an MVP level.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm sure they're gonna go over the film. They're

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Speaker 2: going to show him you could have had this, you

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Speaker 2: and I hope he learns that. But until then, I

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Speaker 4: So I don't want him to stop running. I'm with

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Speaker 2: It's almost like I'd rather have them lose because he

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Speaker 3: So I don't know when you say he got hurt,

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Speaker 2: I know, my fellow wrestlers out there and people who

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Speaker 4: So I don't want him to stop running because I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Drake freaking May Kay, Shawn freaking Booty. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, we could sit here in gush about

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Speaker 3: There's just not a lot of quarterbacks that have the

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Speaker 4: Like he can make it.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's cliche, but like he can literally make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like those are the types of plays

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Speaker 4: I think it was zone. Mean, Mike and I talked

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Speaker 3: winning was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Might as well be the offensive coordinator, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Mac, you're dealing congratulations from four wins for

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Speaker 2: So really, so there's there's a hell of a lot

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Speaker 4: Can we talk about the game a little bit like

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Speaker 4: I thought they needed points on that drive, that the

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Speaker 2: So what do we make of the defense with these

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Speaker 5: Well see, and I did some I don't I won't

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Speaker 1: And now Tennessee's really got a.

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Speaker 4: So I the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: The score dictated the Patriots more than an adjustment at

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Speaker 1: To get schemed up out of the gate?

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Speaker 5: Like now, you know, every team goes into a game

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Speaker 2: And maybe that's it's not just us. A lot of

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Speaker 4: There are numbers the Patriots like the third worst in

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Speaker 5: They are, And that's what's so hard to like to

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Speaker 4: I think there's two combination of two things that you're seeing,

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Speaker 4: I'm nodded in the first half. But it's a whole

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Speaker 4: They're not doing that to anybody else like they can't.

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Speaker 4: We said how many nine categories they were thirtieth or lower.

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Speaker 4: I think cam Wood shows some potential. I think he

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Speaker 5: And that's kind of what scares me is that you've

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Speaker 4: ended up with fourteen points or whatever it was. That's

442
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Speaker 4: what they are. They scored thirteen in one this week.

443
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 4: They're not good offensively, but they're playing a lot of

444
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 4: bad offenses too, which I think has allowed them to

445
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 4: get their bearings. Some point in the second quarter, third quarter,

446
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 4: and they shut a team down because they just don't

447
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 4: have the ability to score.

448
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 2: This linebacker they picked up on waivers yesterday. Does that

449
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 2: give you any indication of what they're thinking in terms

450
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 2: of coverage, you know, in the middle of the field

451
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 2: or anything, like.

452
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 4: He's edge guy. This is Mike speaks to the edge

453
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,919
Speaker 4: depth because he's like three six three two forty.

454
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

455
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 5: Sure, I mean they'll play off the edge for them.

456
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 5: I just to me, it speaks to the depth. And

457
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 5: you know, Harold Landry Chase on good players solid, but

458
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 5: after that, it's.

459
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Speaker 2: Kind of kind of a wash.

460
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Speaker 5: I mean, you haven't seen Keon White really do anything.

461
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 5: Anthony Jennings seems to have fallen out of the picture.

462
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 5: Elijah Ponder is a special teamer. I just that's a

463
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 5: that's another position that Razor thin depth.

464
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Speaker 1: And I think they like this kid.

465
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Speaker 5: He was in with Rabel too, So I we'll see

466
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Speaker 5: if he plays anything more than special teams.

467
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Speaker 1: But I think there's a chance he's your third backup.

468
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 5: You know, maybe by next few weeks that he's getting

469
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Speaker 5: some snaps on team.

470
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Speaker 3: Okay, I just wonder And with the whole opening script,

471
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 3: I had the numbers and after further of you as well,

472
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 3: there's first three drives versus the rest of the game,

473
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 3: and this game is actually the fourth drive that Tennessee

474
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 3: stopped scoring after.

475
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 4: But anyways, that.

476
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Speaker 3: He's not gonna say this publicly because I don't think

477
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 3: they would want to tip their hand, but it looks

478
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 3: to me like they're kind of just playing their base

479
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 3: scheme for the first like three or four drives of

480
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 3: the game. And I do wonder if there is some

481
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 3: cat and mouse of let's just see what they're gonna

482
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 3: do against us and kind of let the game declare

483
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 3: and then we'll make a few adjustments and we'll figure

484
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: it out defensively. And I understand that some people will

485
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 3: be worried about that because if you play, you know,

486
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: again with Josh Allen and or you know, if Baltimore

487
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 3: is healthy, or even this Tampa offense coming up, like

488
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 3: you're worried that they're going to give up seventeen points

489
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: and it's not gonna stop right, like they're not going

490
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 3: to be able to stem the tide. But I keep

491
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 3: thinking that's gonna happen, that one of these weeks, like

492
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: they're you know, they'll they'll give up twenty one and

493
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 3: they'll be down twenty one to three because the offense

494
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: doesn't hold its end of the bargain, and the offense

495
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 3: just keeps them in the game, like they just keep

496
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: scoring offensively. So I just I don't know if it's

497
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 3: going to be able to come up and really bite

498
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 3: them with the schedule at their play, Like maybe eventually

499
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: once we start to get some of these bigger games

500
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 3: down the road.

501
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Speaker 4: But is Cleveland going to do that to them?

502
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: But you kind of figure Cleveland's gonna put up more

503
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Speaker 2: of a fight defensively for sure.

504
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 3: Against this They but like they can't throw the ball

505
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: down the score, they can't.

506
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: Score, I know, but they're gonna maybe keep themselves in

507
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: the game.

508
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 4: You would think that if they get off to a

509
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 4: good start offensively, they can play with the lead for

510
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 4: a while because Tennessee wasn't able to do that because

511
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 4: they have a bad defense too, right, and maybe maybe

512
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 4: Cleveland can get a stop or two to Evan's point,

513
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, it's ten to nothing, right

514
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 4: instead of ten ten, which is ten three happening in

515
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 4: these games.

516
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 2: The running game showed signs of life this week. Was

517
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: it sort of a facade or is it for real?

518
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: I mean, haven't wrote the light box stuff. Yeah, definitely

519
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: took advantage.

520
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that's all it is to me.

521
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: This is all chess match stuff. Like Titans came out,

522
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: they played two high safeties in the opening drive, and

523
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: the Patriots ran it right down their throats. And this

524
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: is what I've been talking about for a couple of

525
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: weeks now, Like, as long as they can run the

526
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: ball when other teams are conceding the run, then I

527
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: don't really care too much about their overall rushing production.

528
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: I care about what they are situationally running the ball.

529
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 3: And if the other team is literally saying you have

530
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: to run the ball, can you run it? All these

531
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: numbers that they have, and you know, with the run

532
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 3: game that are down near the bottom of the league,

533
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: you know, when teams are putting seven eight guys in

534
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: the box, like, it's going to be hard to grind

535
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: out rushing yard. It's not impossible, but it's going to

536
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: be hard. So as good as their offense is throwing

537
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: the football, as long as they can run the ball

538
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: when it's opportunistic for them to run the ball, and

539
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: they can run it in short yardage and run it

540
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 3: on the goal line and like that type of thing,

541
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 3: Like that's all they need to be able to get

542
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: out of the running game. They don't need the running

543
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: game to be the engine of the offense. They have

544
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 3: Drake may to be the engine of the game.

545
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 4: What did you see in terms of Tennessee's adjustment after

546
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 4: like that? Yeah, so with the light boxes, no.

547
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: And I think that was the most fascinating part was that,

548
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: you know, in the first half they ran a lot

549
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: of too high safety and then the second half they

550
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: didn't run as much too high safety and they started

551
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 3: putting the extra defender in the box, and the Patriots

552
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: killed him with a couple of play actions, you know,

553
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 3: against single high safeties.

554
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: MATC.

555
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 3: Collins's twenty seven yard catches just wide open over the

556
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 3: middle of the field off a little play action. So

557
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 3: they that's it, right, Like if you can answer, you

558
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: have an answer to problem solve what the defense is

559
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: giving you. They play single high, can you throw it?

560
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: They play too high?

561
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 4: Can you run it?

562
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 3: And then you kind of get them in a blender

563
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: there of like which one do you pick?

564
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Speaker 4: Did they stay with the the too high in the

565
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: first half, Like for most of the first half. So that,

566
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 4: to me is the best sign is that you were

567
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 4: able to throw the ball against the too high and

568
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 4: I think of two of you know, Evan likes to

569
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 4: call him the honey shots. You know, want the one

570
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: to Booty that he talked about that Drake Drake had

571
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 4: a guy in his lap, and then the one to

572
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 4: Matt Collins down the other sideline. Those are I would

573
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 4: think it's tough on TV. I would think those are

574
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 4: too high looks because that's the shot that you have

575
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 4: to hit. They're able to get the ball downfield against

576
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 4: defenses that are supposed to be taking away the downfield stuff.

577
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: I think that might be the best sign because I

578
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: could look at it very simplistically and stubbornly and say, yeah,

579
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: you ran the ball right down the field in the

580
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 4: first drive. Would you end up with three because you

581
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 4: got down there and got sacked. It's hard to score

582
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 4: that way. Once you get down there, it tightens up

583
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 4: a little bit and it's hard to just run it

584
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 4: all the way in. But they responded by throwing the

585
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 4: ball in the next drive and they get touchdowns. And

586
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 4: then obviously the two minute drill at the end. I

587
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 4: mean that was just yeah, that was against quarters.

588
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: Three plays, so that was that was against quarters.

589
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 4: That's against too high. But would it have mattered if

590
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: it was the thirty five instead of the forty?

591
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: It would matter if he kicked it where it's supposed

592
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: to be and they only returned it to the twenty.

593
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's true, because no, I think that

594
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: was the that was what they were trying to do

595
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 4: given what they have with the return situation. Now, you're right,

596
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 4: I was just automatically assuming they get ball to the

597
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 4: thirty thirty five yard line like every other team does.

598
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 4: But you're right, they've been struggling in that since Gibson

599
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: went out.

600
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: I think he's the best pull shot artist in the NFL.

601
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 3: Like when they play cover two and he has those

602
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: honey holes on the sideline, I think he throws that

603
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: ball better than any quarterback in the league. I mean

604
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: it's just every week it's just like I can rattle

605
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: off like six.

606
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: It just seems like the switch was just flipped with him.

607
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: He just seems so much more confident out there be

608
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: rattled and just the accuracy, the accuracy especially down.

609
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 3: Post snap rotation to like you know they on the

610
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: Hollands one. They they run an inverted cover two where

611
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: they flip the safety in the corner on that side

612
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: of the field, so they kind of show something different

613
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: pre snap, and then it rotates post snap, and he

614
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: just sees it. You know, he's looking right at the

615
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: corner and seeing the corner drop into the deep part

616
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: of the field and just waits for Hollands to clear

617
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: the underneath the fender and rips it and he just

618
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: he throws that ball with the weight on the football

619
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: to kind of like get it right into the honey hole.

620
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: He throws it better than any guy I've seen in

621
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 3: the league this year.

622
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

623
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: It's great. Stay after the game, they gave the game

624
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: ball to Mike Vrabel. This team loves their coach.

625
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great pick. Great pick we use there everybody.

626
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 5: He's just digs grabbing them. I mean, it's just good vibes,

627
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 5: really good vibes, and it's all feeding into itself now.

628
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 5: And like Kevin said, now Pop Douglas is starting to

629
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 5: make catches. Maybe he necessarily wouldn't feel I mean, it's

630
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 5: just I said I think on the postgame show to Paul,

631
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 5: like the last two years of four wins you realize,

632
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 5: like each loss it gets a little worse. And now

633
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 5: this is here has been a reminder that like each

634
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 5: winning gets a little better, you get a little more confidence.

635
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 5: You know, you see other players getting to step up

636
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 5: and contribute and feel like they're part of it, and

637
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 5: you know, you just want to keep this momentum rolling.

638
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 5: I don't know if if they can. I mean, it's

639
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 5: a long season. It's there's gonna be a lot tougher

640
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 5: challenges coming down. I don't know if a lot tougher,

641
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 5: but it tougher challenges coming down the pike that they're

642
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 5: gonna have to deal with. And you know, but I'm

643
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 5: at the point now where I'm talking myself into the

644
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 5: Browns being pretty good. That's why I'm like, no, no, no,

645
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 5: I think we should The Browns are not pretty good.

646
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: The defense is number one in the league.

647
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: The defense is good.

648
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: Okay, they're good.

649
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: So they had two and five.

650
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: They have they have a super power that can give

651
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: you trouble.

652
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: If they get to seventeen points, I'd be shocked. But

653
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: the thing about the you know, you give credit. You know,

654
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: wherever you want to give credit for Drake may give

655
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: it to him. I think mostly, But you know, Josh Rabel,

656
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: the culture change that has already happened with this team

657
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: is like night and day from the last two years

658
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: to now. And he did that in seven weeks, you know,

659
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: like he's been on the job for what ten months now,

660
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: and they already the vibe and the culture is just

661
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: a completely one eighty from where it.

662
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: Has been the couple one.

663
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's like, you know, because a lot of

664
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: people would respond wile winning is you know, cure is all.

665
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: But I think this goes back to Paul's point to

666
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: training camp and even in the preseason, like I felt

667
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: a difference and like just guys want to be there,

668
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: like guys care, guys have energy, Guys want to travel,

669
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: they want to be on the road. I can't tell

670
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: you how many times, like over the last couple of

671
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: years it felt like nobody wanted to go on this

672
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: road trip, right, Like, no one really is that interested

673
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: in going to Vegas to play the Raiders across the

674
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: country Trent Brown and now like all of a sudden,

675
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: you get into these locker rooms after the game and

676
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: it's a totally different vibe and that's.

677
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: It, Like, like Mike said on that shot, you know,

678
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 4: when Drake is given v Abel the ball and you

679
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: know Diggs is in the background, you see Pop Douglas

680
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: in the background. After Henry's jumping up and down, school

681
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: comes in and you know is hitting them. And I

682
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: do think it's contented. Now I don't know you like

683
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: I do think it's it's winning based. But you know,

684
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: there's an argument you made. Do you have good culture

685
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: because you're winning, or you're winning because you have good culture,

686
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: Like you can look at it either way, but I

687
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 4: do think it's kind of like it was a perfect

688
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 4: storm of a start in terms of you played a

689
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: lot of teams that are very you know, below average,

690
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: and you were able to beat most of them. You

691
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: lost one, you know, to the Raiders, right, but you

692
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: were able to beat most of them, and that immediately

693
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: gives you belief like you might have had belief. And

694
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: I agree with Evan because we talked about this all

695
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 4: all training camp. I think that they had a belief.

696
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: But you get that validated when you win. You have

697
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 4: you have the proof of constant we can win.

698
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: If we do X, Y and Z, you're getting there.

699
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: And then they had the one game where they couldn't

700
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 4: do X Y and Z against Pittsburgh and they got

701
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: to see we're capable of winning these games if we

702
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: don't beat ourselves. You see, right, it was a good lesson,

703
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 4: you know, it was good. It was kind of like

704
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: a perfect storm of a start to.

705
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: The veterans that he brought in v Abel and free

706
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: agency have really meshed with the holdovers like the Hunter

707
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: Henry's and the Pop douglas Is that you mentioned. You know,

708
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: there isn't like all the guys that were here before

709
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: and these are the new No, they they meshed immediately,

710
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: and you got to give credit to Fred Diggs.

711
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: I give to Digs a lot of credit for that too,

712
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: because he has been and people on the field, people

713
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of bad things to say about

714
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: Digs in terms of his compete level and all that stuff,

715
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: but I think he's been more.

716
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: Of a leader. Well during the game, you see it.

717
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: To the to the group and you know, obviously he's played.

718
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: He's played like Diggs has always played like. I mean,

719
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: he's a great he's a great player pro, but he

720
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: he is a pro. Yes, in football wise. Stuff that

721
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: I used to tell Mike Orsau about when I used

722
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 4: he used to mind ridically.

723
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 5: Well, not that I had a one ady, but you know,

724
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 5: like I I saw, always saw the player that ripped

725
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 5: our hearts out. But to me, like you said, Paul

726
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 5: being in the locker room and now where he speaks

727
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: every Wednesday, we're right next to him here. Everything he

728
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: says that to me has been just a huge factor too.

729
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 5: And when you start to talk about turning rooms around,

730
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 5: and you know, giving Pop Douglas and Kaishan Boody and

731
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I want to give you know, Diggs

732
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 5: credit for Boo Hoo boot he's playing now. I think

733
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 5: he has been on that track, but he's really been

734
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 5: a solidifying source for that room, and I think just

735
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 5: gives them some leadership to kind of follow.

736
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: And in that room like that position, I think it's hard.

737
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: I asked Todd Downing this left. You know, I had

738
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: a chance to talk to Todd Downing last week year.

739
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: Did the rest of the meeting correct? That was in

740
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: the Espianism right there. I had a chance to talk

741
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: to Todd Downey me and about thirty of my closest friends.

742
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: But I just I asked him how rare it is

743
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 4: for that position, because he was talking a lot of

744
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 4: about these things that we're talking about, and it's Booty

745
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: getting you know, two passes thrown to him, but ready

746
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: to go and being just as excited that week as

747
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: he was the previous week when he had five or

748
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: six catches, or like opening week when he caught all

749
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: those passes for one hundred yards and how you know,

750
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: how rare is that? And he's like, yeah, no, it's

751
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 4: not like that all the time. And I give Diggs

752
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 4: a lot of credit for that, because he has been

753
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 4: the guy that the reputation, the negative reputation for him

754
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: is that he's always wanting the ball, Give me the ball,

755
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: throw me the ball. I'm not getting enough touches. Even

756
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: when Josh Allen's targeting him one hundred and thirty times

757
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: a year, he's not satisfied. I haven't seen any of

758
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 4: that so far. Now he's getting the lion's share of

759
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: the targets. But as I just mentioned, that's been the

760
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: case in the past, and he's still not always been happy, right,

761
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: He certainly looks happy now. The message in the locker

762
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 4: room last week was, you know, don't drink you know, like,

763
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: don't take the Titans lightly, don't drink the kool aid.

764
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 4: What is Dig saying on Wednesday when he's talking to

765
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: Evan and Mike, don't drink the kool aid. He's He's

766
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: the guy that's delivering the coach's message, just like everybody else.

767
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 4: So I think he's been really, really a good fit

768
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 4: for those guys.

769
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: You selfish position that on this team is selfless. Like

770
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: they do not act like they act like receivers, but

771
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: they don't act like receivers, like they're not. You know,

772
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 3: no one's pouting in the corner that they're not getting targets,

773
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: nobody's complaining about things anymore. Yeah, and all that kind

774
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: of stuff. And like Pop Douglas is another perfect example

775
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 3: of a guy that really has had his role reduced

776
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: significantly compared to what we thought he would do this season,

777
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: but when they needed him and when he's called upon

778
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 3: and his energy is still great.

779
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: He's focused.

780
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he had the windcam of him coming

781
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: off the field and he's still just as happy as

782
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: he you know, would have been if he had ten

783
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: catches in the game. And like that's hard to find

784
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: in that that position in particular, that's really just a.

785
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: Putting team first. And you know, another coach who always

786
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: emphasize that we have to mention Bill Belichick one of

787
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: the people up for the Hall of Fame this year.

788
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: He's on the list. I would assume that he's going

789
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: to get in. That's just my take. But I don't know,

790
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: you know some of these some of these writers.

791
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: I think there's some good coaches on this list.

792
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not not even close.

793
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: Greed to disagree.

794
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: Really, who on the list should be in before him?

795
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: Should be is a strong word? Yes, could be.

796
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: Oh, anything can happen with these rights.

797
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about like they're going to do something

798
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 4: that you think is wrong. I'm gonna I'm talking about

799
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 4: well yeah, okay, so then there's no sense of talking

800
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 4: about it.

801
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Well that's my opinion.

802
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 4: You go ahead, But that's fine. I'm going to read

803
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 4: the twelve. I think Shanahan, these guys have Dan Reeves.

804
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: These guys have brought multiple teams to Super Bowls, okay

805
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: without Tom Brady.

806
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: But you're saying they should be ahead of Bill Belichick.

807
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm not.

808
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: I'm not.

809
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

810
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 4: But you're saying it like it's a foregone conclusion. I

811
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 4: don't don't think it is that that's all I'm saying

812
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: what it should be exactly. So why should we argue

813
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: like there's no other side of it? According to you?

814
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: So why does he do this? Why can't I?

815
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 4: I think that Bill Welichick's a Hall of Famer, certainly,

816
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 4: but I don't just dismiss everybody else.

817
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: But I'm not just I think maybe their time will come,

818
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 2: but there should be an order here.

819
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: So I think that his time might be the one

820
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: that's coming because this list, to Paul's point, and a

821
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: lot of these guys have already been on this list

822
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: for a couple of years now and been sort of

823
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: waiting their turn, like a Mike Shanahan. So Bill Arsenberger,

824
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: who have never.

825
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: Heard Barker, Tom he was a long time whenever the

826
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. I don't think he's He's not on the

827
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: level Tom Coughlin. Tom Coughlin's another one.

828
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 8: Alex gives but ahead of Bill beat him twice, all right,

829
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 8: but still Eli Manning, Mike Holmgren, Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker,

830
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 8: who's kind of a legend, Dan Reeves, Marty Schottenheimer, George Seaffert.

831
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: Come on, please, George sefer doesn't belong enough Mike Shanahan

832
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 4: and Clerk Shaughnessy, So Bill would take shawness.

833
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

834
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: I'm obviously in agreement with you, Fred, but some of

835
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: these guys have waited their turn already, so they might have.

836
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: To still wait.

837
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 4: But we're not talking about Bill's like worthiness like that.

838
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 4: I don't think there's an argument against Bill's really I'm.

839
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: Him up against the people on this Bill Arns.

840
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 4: But I think that there's three or four guys Reeves, Shanahan, Holmgren,

841
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: you know, all good coaches, all great coach Coughlin, who

842
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 4: brought Coughlin, who brought multiple teams to Super Bowls, built

843
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 4: different programs. I don't know how you can look at

844
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: what happened in the last five years and not look

845
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: at Bill a little bit differently.

846
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: All these guys had bad years.

847
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: That's not what I That's not what I meant. Yeah,

848
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: without Tom Brady is what I mean. Sure, I don't

849
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 4: know how you cannot look at it a little differently.

850
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 4: If we're just going to say six titles, then why

851
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: are we even talking, right? If you're not going to

852
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: actually analyze how they got there. That's all I'm saying

853
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: is Bill Belichick is Bill Belichick a Hall of Fame coach,

854
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: no brainer, there's no argument against does it.

855
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: Now, does his defensive coordinator stuff take get taken into consideration?

856
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: Yes?

857
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: I mean that adds to is his.

858
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: So does Mike Shanahan's ability to have half the successful

859
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: offenses in football running his system? Does that count?

860
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: That's why he's on the list.

861
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: No, it's not why he's on the list. He won

862
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 4: two Super Bowls.

863
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: Okay, but but it's addition, it's part of his legacy.

864
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 3: But it's it's a big feather in his cat.

865
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely counts.

866
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: Now, I would have Belichick would be my lore Alice

867
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: Gibbs right, Belichick would be on that list. My number

868
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: one choice for this year would be Bill Belichick. I

869
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: just think that it's worthy of a discussion, like, not

870
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 4: a dismissal.

871
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 5: I mean, the unfortunate part is that this is going

872
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 5: to be chosen by a committee, and you wonder if

873
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 5: the select members of the committee had bad feelings towards

874
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 5: Bill that I personal, So it's a fact you never know.

875
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: I just think that you can make a football discussion

876
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 4: why Shanahan a home Grin or Coughlin or Reeves should

877
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: go first without it being like a petty we don't

878
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: like bill ism, like don't. That's a tough argument. Again,

879
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I would make the Belichick argument, but I

880
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 4: don't really understand why. But you're only some other guys

881
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 4: because their only.

882
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: Default of that argument is that with Brady without Brady split.

883
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: That's big, okay, but quarterbacks too.

884
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just taking out of an account like

885
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: the beginning.

886
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: Of Matt Hasselbeck that Mike Congren took to the super

887
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 4: Bowl Brett far right far, but he did it without

888
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 4: Brett Farve. Is my point? Bill didn't he went to

889
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 4: a super Bowl without Brett Favre.

890
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: Oh I never had Brett fav I don'm only kidding Bill,

891
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: never mind.

892
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 5: But every one of these guys a lot of their success,

893
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 5: maybe not all of it, but is kind of I.

894
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: Mean, Tom beat them twice with Eli Mannings, who you

895
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 4: guys all think sucks.

896
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: Of course not, of course not just because he beat

897
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: him twice doesn't mean anything.

898
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't mean anything.

899
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: Just said, of course not.

900
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 4: No. You asked me what I take Eli Manning over Brady,

901
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: I would say that, course not. But it means something

902
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 4: that he won twice, right.

903
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: But not enough to put him over Tom Brady.

904
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: No, because Tom Brady won seven and in.

905
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: The fact that Tom Cofflin beat Bill twice doesn't put

906
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: him over Bill.

907
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 4: Listen, you only had two chances.

908
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: I like Tom Cofflin, and not just for the Tom

909
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: Coffin he built up a new franchise immediately till he

910
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: immediately took them to the AFC Championship.

911
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: Again, more success without Tom Brady.

912
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, if I was making

913
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: the pitch for Bill, because let's face it, it will

914
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: be a crappy pitch what it is, But if I

915
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: was making the pitch for Bill, like, you can't just

916
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: ignore the fact that until Brady truly became an MVP

917
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: candidate year in and year out, that those early teams

918
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: were built on defense and game planning and Bill's side

919
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: of things.

920
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: We did disagree with that too.

921
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: The two thousand and one Patriots were not built.

922
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: Two thousand and one is the one that's it. Okay,

923
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 4: all three and oh four were wagon Well four was

924
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: the best team the Patriots have ever had.

925
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 3: They were wagons. But like to just discount everything that

926
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: Bill did to set that up, and not to mention.

927
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 4: That he's a Hall of Famer. I'm not discounting a

928
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer.

929
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: Okay, but I'm just saying, like, you know, not to

930
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: mention the things that Brady gives him credit for in

931
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: terms of Brady's individual development, with teaching him how to

932
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: read defenses and teaching him all the nuances of the

933
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: position and not just having him go out there and

934
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: run around and play quarterback like those types of things

935
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: are are that's more of.

936
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: And anyone who doesn't believe that doesn't know football.

937
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: And there and I would agree with you.

938
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 3: I just think the only reasons to keep him out

939
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: over these guys that are on this list are pettiness

940
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: or the fact that they've been on the list for

941
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: longer than he has. Like that, it's those two things.

942
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: It's not resume like you can't like, oh, I mean.

943
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 4: He has six and they only have whatever two in

944
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 4: most cases, you know, so resume is it's a no brainer.

945
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 4: I just I would like to think that these guys

946
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: do more than just look at like who had the

947
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: most win, Like does Marty Shottenheim are going because he

948
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 4: has anybody.

949
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: Shouldn't even be on the list. Well, he should be.

950
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 4: On the list, but because he was one of the

951
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: best coaches of all time. I don't think is he

952
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 4: on the level of those other guys that wan no.

953
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: Like, how how down low do we have to go?

954
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 3: If you know, if you were hiring a head coach

955
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: and you got him in his prime, not this version

956
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 3: of Bill Belichick, but Bill Belichick in his prime versus

957
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: Shanahan and his high prime, versus home Gren, versus Coughlin.

958
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: All thirty two teams are hiring Bill Belichick in his prime.

959
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: I don't know about that.

960
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: Oh come on, I don't know about it, but that's crazy.

961
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 4: All like Shanahan killed Belichick head to head.

962
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: Okay, he did, he had his number.

963
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just don't know, like I would

964
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: pick Belichick, that's my choice. I just would like to

965
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: think that these voters actually analyze it and don't just say, well,

966
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: he has six titles better.

967
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: I think Bill's mistake is he didn't retire. I think

968
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: ten years from now there's going to be a coach

969
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: when asked, hey, when are you leaving, He's is going

970
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: to say, well, I'm not going to coach into my

971
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: seventies like Bill Belichick.

972
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: So if that's the problem, I agree with that. That

973
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: whole sentiment that you're going down because if he had

974
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: retired with when Tom left, you wouldn't have this right

975
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 4: so blatantly obvious sample size without Brady right like you

976
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: could say it took him a while, you know, this

977
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: first time around he learned like a lot of guys learning.

978
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: The second time he was a much better coach Cleveland.

979
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 4: But now, but now you have before and after, big,

980
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 4: big samples of before and after. I would like to

981
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 4: think that guys actually analyze that and use that.

982
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: Now.

983
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 4: Would I take Belichick?

984
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 6: Yes?

985
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: I would.

986
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: Belichick would be on that list. He would be my

987
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: top choice. But the other thing about it is, even

988
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: if he ends up being the finalist, it doesn't mean

989
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 4: he's in. No, that's right, that he would just be

990
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: the coaches nominee, right, I mean, you know, the one

991
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 4: the one guy that's the finalist, and then it goes

992
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: down to the regular Hall of Fame committee to vote

993
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: for it, and Fred, we're not on that. You and

994
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 4: I know we're committee.

995
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why not. I don't know why ridiculous.

996
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be tougher for Bill than

997
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: people then he should be because of all the reasons

998
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: that he's it's.

999
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 4: Not because of him being such a you know, let's

1000
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 4: face it, jerk. Is I hope that's not why I

1001
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: think that shouldn't be come into play.

1002
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: But picking at all the nitpicks of his legacy, you

1003
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: don't do that if you like the guy. You're only

1004
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: doing that because you think he's a jerk. Like if

1005
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: if we.

1006
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 4: Should, you shouldn't analyze the guy's performance. It shouldn't just

1007
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: be because I.

1008
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: Don't like him.

1009
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 4: They're not going to sit there.

1010
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: And if you had a guy and you know, I

1011
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 3: don't know how the media felt about all these guys,

1012
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 3: but if you had a guy that is beloved in universe,

1013
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: Andy Reid, Yeah, nobody is going to sit there in

1014
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 3: ten years and start nitpicking Andy Reid's legacy to this degree.

1015
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: Paul's point, they should.

1016
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 4: They might would say, you know, probably, but they won't

1017
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: took him twenty years to figure out how to run

1018
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: the clock like that should be. That's coaching. That should

1019
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 4: be part of the Andy Reid. It won't be well,

1020
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: it won't be because he's well liked, because these things

1021
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 4: are going to outweigh that, but that should be all

1022
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: part of the equation.

1023
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: I think he's it won't because he's all right.

1024
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: A lot of emails, lot of calls. Eight five to

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1026
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,600
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1027
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: a break, right because my food just got here.

1028
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: That's sure with me to make sure that the marine

1029
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1030
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'll give them a chance to get back

1031
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: in there. But we do have a lot of emails.

1032
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,960
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1034
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,160
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1035
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Speaker 11: I thought we gave them a chance early at the

1094
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Speaker 11: line of scrimmage to be able to get into the

1095
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Speaker 11: line of scrimmage, to be able to you know, make

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Speaker 11: some breaks and give them some space.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot there to continue to improve on.

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Speaker 11: You know, if you want to hit some big ones,

1099
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Speaker 11: you're going to have to be able to block support players.

1100
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Speaker 6: You have to be able to block safeties, block force.

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Speaker 11: But I thought we got them into the through the

1102
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Speaker 11: line of scrimmage at times. I thought we and we

1103
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Speaker 11: were decisive. There were times where there wasn't anything there

1104
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Speaker 11: and we got a couple of yards, and then there

1105
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Speaker 11: were times where there's things there.

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Speaker 6: We got double digit runs.

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Speaker 12: At the game, Pop said, this is the first time

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Speaker 12: that he's been on a team where he feels like

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Speaker 12: the offensive defense are personally close.

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Speaker 1: How's that something that you feel like you can.

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Speaker 12: Kind of foster as the coaching staff.

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Speaker 11: I mean, we're a team, you know, I mean, everybody's

1113
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Speaker 11: here is trying to do the same thing. Is just win,

1114
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Speaker 11: you know, whether that's the coaching staff, sports staff, trainers,

1115
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Speaker 11: the players.

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Speaker 6: You know, we're a team.

1117
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Speaker 11: We spend a lot of time together, so you know,

1118
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Speaker 11: they practice against each other, they can compete against each other,

1119
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Speaker 11: and so hopefully they can continue to build those connections

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Speaker 11: that that it's going to help them on the field,

1121
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Speaker 11: help them off the field, help them hold each other accountable,

1122
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Speaker 11: and you know, celebrate our success together.

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Speaker 7: Mike and always cleaving the game sometimes concussion symptoms to

1124
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Speaker 7: surface the next day.

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Speaker 6: Is drinking any kind of protocol things not that I'm

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Speaker 6: aware of.

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Speaker 9: And Drake, he gives you the game ball and it

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Speaker 9: seems like obviously these players really really want to play

1129
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Speaker 9: with you in that show yesterday with the locker room video.

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Speaker 4: How do you garner that support from the team. What

1131
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 4: is kind of your I guess process.

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Speaker 11: That I mean, my job is to provide them with

1133
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 11: things that will help them do their job, that help

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Speaker 11: them in their career, to help them help the team.

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Speaker 11: And that's what we're trying to do. Try to be

1136
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 11: as authentic as I can. I try to be honest

1137
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Speaker 11: and try to get to know them, understand what they're

1138
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Speaker 11: going through on and off the field, and try to

1139
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Speaker 11: help them.

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Speaker 6: That's it, Coach. We got Cleveland coming up, here. You

1141
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 6: spent some time with the Browns.

1142
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 13: What did that hear do for your career?

1143
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 6: What? Well?

1144
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 11: I enjoyed that time. I enjoyed the people there, that organization.

1145
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 11: I enjoyed working with Kevin and you know, the offensive

1146
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 11: staff and Tommy Reese and Chad and you know, I

1147
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 11: mean I played with Bubba so a lot of good

1148
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 11: young coaches, Jim Schwartz, a really good relationship with with Schwartzy.

1149
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 11: And you know, they're playing really well. They're coming off

1150
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 11: a huge win. A great defense. Offense is physical, physical

1151
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 11: line running back is doing a nice job. So you

1152
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 11: know we're going to have a you know, get get

1153
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 11: prepared as soon as we you know, we've shut the

1154
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Speaker 11: door here with with.

1155
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Speaker 6: The Titans and moving on to the Browns.

1156
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 7: There's always a lot of techniques and you know, things

1157
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 7: you can pick up on it, like the level anything

1158
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 7: broader there than Kevin and Andrew were doing a kind

1159
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 7: of thematic, big level that you've taken.

1160
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Speaker 11: As chiefs that you think, no, I mean a great

1161
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 11: communication and I mean I I mean I didn't try

1162
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 11: to get involved in the in the day to day operations.

1163
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 11: I was I was trying to help the players. I

1164
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 11: was trying to help the young coaches. You know, that

1165
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 11: wasn't something that I got involved with. I try to

1166
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 11: help a player development, but they have a great organization,

1167
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 11: you know, as far as the structure and everything. So

1168
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Speaker 11: but I try to be involved with the young coaches

1169
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 11: and with the with the with the young players and

1170
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 11: help them and practice and help them develop.

1171
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Speaker 4: You place as much emphasis on analytics before Cleveland.

1172
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 6: Or was there anything about that stuff that maybe change

1173
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 6: your perspective.

1174
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 11: I mean, that's certainly something that they believe strongly in

1175
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 11: and probably you know, we were getting involved with it

1176
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 11: in Tennessee, probably not to the extent that that Cleveland has.

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Speaker 6: We've we've added and I feel like we all do

1178
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 6: you know.

1179
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 11: That that that can help us at a coaching level

1180
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 11: and also help us uh as we look at personnel.

1181
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 6: So we'll continue to try to.

1182
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 11: Enhance that department and area and how they can help

1183
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 11: us looking at what we do internally, but but also

1184
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 11: externally is we look at players and acquiring players and

1185
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 11: but probably won't get to that extent of where they're

1186
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 11: at right now over overnight on the.

1187
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 6: Road, but wanted to a hope so far you hear

1188
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 6: with this place and a hard place to play for

1189
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 6: the live opponents.

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Speaker 14: How important is.

1191
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: To get back to that pit five of an et cetera.

1192
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 13: To get help.

1193
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 11: Well, we're going to focus on the next one, not

1194
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 11: not five, at the next seven.

1195
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 6: But certainly have appreciated the way that we've.

1196
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 11: Played on the road, and we know how important that

1197
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Speaker 11: the home games are. You have to you have to

1198
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 11: hold serve and you have to be great at home

1199
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Speaker 11: and use that to advantage to where you know, it's

1200
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 11: hard to operate, and we're giving them reasons to cheer

1201
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 11: and celebrate and be excited. And so those are those

1202
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 11: things that are important to us, and so hopefully we'll

1203
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 11: give them that product this weekend.

1204
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 12: How big of a part this player development of what

1205
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 12: you do and how much do you enjoy it?

1206
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 15: Well?

1207
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Speaker 6: I do enjoy it.

1208
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 11: I do you know, outside of winning, I've said this

1209
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 11: numerous times. Outside of winning, Uh, I enjoy watching players improve.

1210
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Speaker 11: I enjoyed watching them put a lot of work into

1211
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 11: it and then having the success and seeing it at

1212
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 11: a practice and then getting the opportunities in the game

1213
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 11: and watching that translate. So that's something that we believe in.

1214
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 11: You know, no one is a finished product when they

1215
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 11: get here, whether whatever age you are or wherever you

1216
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 11: you know you started or you came here, there's always

1217
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 11: some things that you can continue to improve on. And

1218
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 11: then we have another bucket of young players or developmental players.

1219
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 6: That that's critical that we do.

1220
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 7: That played really well, play the bulk of the steps

1221
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 7: behind them. Travion just said nine. What was the thinking

1222
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 7: there as far as that split being best for the offense?

1223
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 16: This week?

1224
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 6: Just kind of how it played out.

1225
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 11: I thought, you know, Remandre was was running well, and

1226
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 11: you know, I had some good protections and and Travion

1227
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Speaker 11: is going to be a large part of what we do.

1228
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 11: Just think that the way that the game started, uh,

1229
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 11: and the success that we had, you know, that's kind

1230
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 11: of where it was this week. What did you see

1231
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 11: is the biggest difference in the defensive performance after the

1232
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 11: first quarter seemed like us were techno. Yeah, we just

1233
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 11: didn't do a very good job of matching their script

1234
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 11: and their scheme plays.

1235
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 6: And you know, we've got to.

1236
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 11: Do a better job of being ready to go with

1237
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 11: some plays that maybe they've seen on tape or that

1238
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 11: are new and using our fundamentals. And you know, I

1239
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 11: got got beat on the script in their first plays

1240
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 11: and then we'll have to do a better job.

1241
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 6: How must it like quick? That was new for you? Well,

1242
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 6: every week there's something new, you know. I mean every

1243
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 6: every week there's something new.

1244
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 11: I mean he talked about throwing the throwback, you know,

1245
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 11: off the boot, off the keeper, so you know what

1246
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 11: I mean, they've had that in and it's like everybody

1247
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 11: else don't see stuff on tape and you know, try

1248
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 11: to dial it up or try to do something.

1249
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 6: That's what this league is about.

1250
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 12: Shan with another X play yesterday. We were obviously seeing

1251
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 12: the crows on the field, but how have you seen

1252
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 12: the mature behind the scenes since you got here.

1253
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 6: I think he communicates better, you know.

1254
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 11: I think he's better a communicator, whether that's you know,

1255
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 11: anything that he has to deal with outside of work

1256
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 11: or you know outside of football, you know, family or

1257
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 11: just talking in the building.

1258
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 6: I think that's improved. It's just his communication. You know.

1259
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Speaker 6: He's pretty personal.

1260
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Speaker 4: And now great moments in.

1261
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Speaker 2: History. Remember one game, our other editor, Brian Morey was

1262
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: out for some reason or something. Paul had to do

1263
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Speaker 2: like everything himself.

1264
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Speaker 4: I don't think he was out. He was writing a book.

1265
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Speaker 2: And uh, you know I was as I was fled

1266
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: as the night progressed, like a different article of clothing

1267
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: would come off by the end of the night. Is undershirt.

1268
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: I swear to god, he's sweating, just trying to get

1269
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: everything done.

1270
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Speaker 4: It was like, thanks at Fred exaggerates a lot of

1271
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 4: things about me. He is not exaggerating.

1272
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, that's another great moment. All right

1273
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: back here and Patriots on Filter Day five to five

1274
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: past five hundred is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com.

1275
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: Is the email address. Of course, we're talking about the

1276
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: game on Sunday against the Titans and a little bit

1277
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: about Bill Belichick getting on the Hall of Fame list. Uh,

1278
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: it's Evan, Paul, myself, Deuce, Alex and Matt and the booth.

1279
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: Interesting email here, there's a lot of good ones coming in.

1280
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,479
Speaker 2: I appreciate that everyone who says this is Tom he's

1281
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: an Edinburgh, Scotland. Firstly, Goodwin thought we played really well

1282
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: and my hopes for the team are improving each week

1283
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: with my floor slowly getting to be the playoffs. Now

1284
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: my beef Mike do so. Mike, last week you complained

1285
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: about Booty being one of those receivers that just runs,

1286
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: catches and falls down. Has this game changed your opinion?

1287
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: Why do you hate competent, reliable players who will run

1288
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: go routes all day and not complain they catch the

1289
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: ball when called upon. It's very similar to your door

1290
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: set hatred, which was also uncalled for. I'm sorry that

1291
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: you don't like people catching passes and helping the team.

1292
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Deuce, and.

1293
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: He's fine, he's fine, it's done a good job.

1294
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 4: I mean, did you see him he just catches the

1295
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 4: ball on four?

1296
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 14: Well?

1297
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 5: No, no, But I get what he's getting at and

1298
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 5: I don't think he's wrong, Like, I just think we

1299
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 5: talk about this, that's the spot he's playing, Like did

1300
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 5: he catch the ball and run through a bunch of people?

1301
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: No, it's not really his game. I get it. Like

1302
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: it's fine, he's a good, complimentary outside piece. But I

1303
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: don't know. People are like, this is the.

1304
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 5: Matchup that's gonna tear teams apart for the next decade,

1305
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 5: and like is it though?

1306
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: Like I mean, to be honest, like.

1307
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 4: I see something in the middle of those two things.

1308
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just I still see Booty as a

1310
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 5: piece that if you get that big dog that some

1311
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 5: people are still clamoring for like that's the spot you're

1312
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 5: gonna put him in, right, You're gonna put him over Booty.

1313
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:02,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's it's fair.

1314
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 5: I mean you wanna go get T Higgins gets where

1315
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 5: T Higgins plain by Booty.

1316
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1317
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 3: It's interesting though, like you know, because I know we

1318
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 3: always talk about this with Brady, like this is all

1319
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 3: the same receivers besides Diggs basically right, and and like

1320
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 3: he's just Drake's just making him look like like world beaters.

1321
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: And it's incredible, like how really good quarterback play can

1322
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: all of a sudden. Now you know, Kaishan Boody is

1323
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 3: eight not just a competent receiver, but a good deep

1324
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 3: ball receiver. And uh, you know, Pop Douglas makes plays,

1325
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: Matt Collins is making plays, Diggs is making plays, Austin

1326
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: Hooper is making plays, and it's just fine. All goes

1327
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: back to the quarterback.

1328
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: Philip dor sat yeah away from Beijing, China, writing in nice,

1329
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: says Paul needs to get his stats sources straight. Ye,

1330
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: I was listening to the show at midnight. But just

1331
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes in Paul mentions something incorrect. You

1332
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: expected completion percentage from May in this game was sixty

1333
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: seven percent according to both next gens. That's an RBSD.

1334
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 4: I was referenced rbs don't matter.

1335
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 3: Rbs don't matter, running backs don't matter.

1336
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 4: I didn't be I'm not telling you the stat was correct.

1337
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 4: I'm telling you I did not get it incorrect. It

1338
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 4: was on Twitter that someone was had week by week

1339
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 4: Drake May's expected completion percentage. Now, maybe these sites had

1340
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 4: a different number, Which is why I don't really put

1341
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 4: much validity into an expected thing, because that's a totally

1342
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 4: subjective measure.

1343
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: Well, it's an equation, it's a formula. But I think

1344
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 3: what he's saying is is that his expected completion percentage

1345
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: was x, and his actual completion percentage was why, so

1346
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: therefore it would be better than his expected completions percentage

1347
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 3: might have been seventy percent. His actual completion percentage was

1348
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 3: ninety one percent.

1349
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 4: This is why I said, I may be getting it wrong. Yes,

1350
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 4: that's what I kind of I'm telling you the number

1351
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 4: I saw was ninety five point five. That's kind of what.

1352
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 3: I thought you were maybe getting wrong earlier. But I

1353
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: wasn't sure, and so.

1354
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 4: That's not that's a whole different thing.

1355
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: It's like I love it.

1356
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 5: I just like being like trick ma is playing awesome

1357
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 5: right now, Like I just you see all this like

1358
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 5: statistical minutia of like, well, he's the first guy to

1359
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 5: ever complete this many pass Like that's all great, and

1360
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 5: I just don't you can cut it any different way

1361
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 5: you want about this.

1362
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 2: He's playing awesome.

1363
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 4: I care about him throwing the ball down the field

1364
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 4: and it's basically a thirty five yard hand on the

1365
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 4: guy catch it, Like you can't possibly not catch the

1366
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 4: passes that he's throwing. You know, I'm not telling you

1367
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 4: everyone is life. I mean the Austin Hooper catch was sick. Yeah,

1368
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 4: it was a great catch, But like the ball to

1369
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 4: Holland's down the sideline to Digs in the second half

1370
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 4: down the side, like you can't throw those any better, right,

1371
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 4: I'm not a big CPOE guy.

1372
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: I think it's a useful stat sometimes from a standpoint

1373
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 3: of like when you get the expected completion number, like

1374
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: you can tell how easy or hard the throws that

1375
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 3: he's making are because they use base it off of windows,

1376
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 3: like is it a tight window or is it an

1377
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: open window? So like if you're making a lot of

1378
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 3: open window throws, then you obviously You're expected completion percentage

1379
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: is going to be much higher than somebody that is

1380
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: being forced to make a lot of.

1381
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: Tight case Josh Allen would be skewed because all this

1382
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: throws are through a closing window.

1383
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 4: But back to the Josh Allen didn't know where he

1384
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 4: was going with that. That was that long. Yeah, it

1385
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 4: was along road to Grandma's as usual. The throw to

1386
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 4: Digs in the Buffalo game. Down the sideline, I saw

1387
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 4: all a bunch of Evans, you know, acolytes talking about

1388
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 4: how it had such a miniscule, minuscule chance of being completed.

1389
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 4: Like I don't really like that doesn't mean anything to me.

1390
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 4: I can look and watch and say, wow, that was

1391
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 4: really good there. Kim Wood had one. Kim Wood had

1392
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 4: one in the game that there was like three layers

1393
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 4: coming across. It would be one of those it's a

1394
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 4: great throw. I don't ever do it again kind of plays,

1395
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 4: but likes incredible first half the throw that he made.

1396
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 4: I'll bet you the you know, the cpoe W whatever

1397
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 4: it's called, wasn't great on that throw either. It's funny

1398
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 4: about that different snoring problem. I understand the window as

1399
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 4: opposed to you know, like the throw wasn't expected to

1400
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 4: be completed, so the window was so tight the throw

1401
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 4: had to be precise just to close the loop.

1402
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 3: Here, Drake May's expected completion percentage on Sunday was sixty

1403
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 3: six point nine and his actual completion percentage was ninety

1404
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 3: one point three. So therefore his CPOE is plus twenty

1405
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 3: four percent because you take the expected and the actual.

1406
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 4: So I wish I could to find because he's, like

1407
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 4: I said, I'm sure that I'm messing up this specific

1408
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 4: stat The email is probably right about that I saw

1409
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 4: something that listed it. It was higher than his actual.

1410
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 4: His actual completion percentage should have been ninety five point five,

1411
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 4: and I just don't think.

1412
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 5: Before you can I just stick on that because I

1413
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 5: want to just talk about that play real quick, because

1414
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 5: this is another thing for me statistically. Maybe Evan can

1415
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 5: chime in, Like I watched that play which was completed

1416
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 5: basically with like splane diving t VIY like turning and

1417
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 5: like Gonzalez kind of running by it, and I believe

1418
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 5: they like credit that Gonzales is like a past completion,

1419
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 5: and that just made me pull the thread of like

1420
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 5: Gonzales like on some of these plays, it's so hard

1421
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 5: to assign blame, you know, even and I know we

1422
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to get int the PFF thing of

1423
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 5: it all, but just for anybody watching, like, how do

1424
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 5: you like it's it's a great play by them.

1425
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 4: There's you know, the coverage, I mean there's a million.

1426
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 4: There's a million of those. I mean, like the touchdown

1427
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 4: to DK in the first half of that game, you

1428
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 4: could look and say, wow, Marcus Jones really struggling and

1429
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 4: he's chasing them all across the field. But then you

1430
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 4: you can see the safety did I think it was

1431
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 4: Woodson the exact opposite thing that he should have and

1432
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 4: ended up getting spun around, And it's clear that Marcus

1433
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 4: Jones thinks he has support from the other side. Yeah,

1434
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 4: and maybe Marcus Jones didn't have great coverage. And I'm

1435
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 4: not trying to absolve, but my man crushed my.

1436
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: Drawn completion on this guy his fault.

1437
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 4: There's so much number one to coverage, especially in a

1438
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 4: game like this. Do you have numbers like how much

1439
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 4: zone they played in this game?

1440
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just it's just not complicated. Like on

1441
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: the throw that you guys are talking about, a cam

1442
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 3: wored it's covered to Robert Splain's got the got the

1443
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: deep hole. Like that's his assignment on that play, you know,

1444
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 3: on the throw you're talking about.

1445
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

1446
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: I put that one on Craig Woodson because Marcus Jones

1447
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 3: is sticking outside leverage on DK. He's responsible for a

1448
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 3: corner right because he's outside hip of the receiver. When

1449
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: the receiver breaks on the post, there's a post safety.

1450
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: He's literally called the post safety.

1451
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 4: It's pretty much with the Saints to the week before.

1452
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 4: It's the exact same thing.

1453
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 3: It's literally the same exact play and the same exact result.

1454
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 3: And so in both plays, like the safety has got

1455
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 3: to stay home on the post.

1456
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: There's no reason ye because Jones definitely moved inside because

1457
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 2: he thought something was happening behind him and it didn't

1458
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: and then he took off.

1459
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 3: There's no reason for the safety to bite on the

1460
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 3: corner because that it's Marcus Jones's responsibility. So as a safe,

1461
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 3: as the quarterback is rolling out and he's throwing back

1462
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 3: from right to left, safety's got to just stay right

1463
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: in the deep middle of the field. I think a

1464
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: lot of the problem that, you know, some of these

1465
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 3: coverage metrics get confused as some of them, like next Gen,

1466
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 3: are using proximity to the receiver. They're not talking about understanding.

1467
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 3: It's cover two and this is the zone, and they're

1468
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 3: using who is the closest physical person, which is not

1469
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 3: to the receiver.

1470
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 2: It's right, Yeah, Gino writes in I wrestled throughout high

1471
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: school and college. Yes, I've long since thought certain NFL

1472
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: positions could benefit measurably from wrestling techniques, thank you, much

1473
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: like receivers might benefit from ballet. As a quarterback, you're

1474
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 2: going to be tackled. Therefore, prepare for the inevitable. Learning

1475
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: to go down is one of the first things to

1476
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 2: pick up as a wrestler, not only net bridges, but

1477
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: how to roll into a fall, then to twist, when

1478
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 2: to use an empty hand, how to absorb the weight

1479
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: instead of using a stiff arm. If you curl your back,

1480
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 2: then let it unfurl on impact. It reduces the velocity

1481
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: of your head moving towards the ground. So people do

1482
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 2: it instinctually. But our guy needs a little matt time.

1483
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 4: But I agree Brady, and Brady was really uh. Brady

1484
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 4: was a big proponent of that, learning how to fall,

1485
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 4: It's true. Remember he used to talk to about Garoppolo.

1486
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: It's one of the first things they teach you in

1487
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: like Judo and all those things, how to fall.

1488
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 3: Didn't didn't to try to learn how to fall. I

1489
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 3: believe it was to a he went like in the

1490
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 3: off season. That's all he did all off season was

1491
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 3: work with one of those like martial arts people or

1492
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 3: something and learn how to fall.

1493
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 6: Roll.

1494
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't hit his head.

1495
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: Tell ye, how's that?

1496
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: Working on it?

1497
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: So he can run to his heart's delight if he

1498
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 2: learns how to fall.

1499
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 4: I just think that there are times that you're going

1500
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 4: to get hit when you don't know you're gonna get o.

1501
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 4: I know, and you're making it very simplis.

1502
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 2: Let Drake be Drake.

1503
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 4: We all want Drake to be Drake.

1504
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 3: I just want Drake to be Drake for seventeen games, yeah, and.

1505
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 4: Plus the playoffs.

1506
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 2: Right, Let's go to Sam and Easton on the hotline.

1507
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 2: What's up, Sam?

1508
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, how's it going?

1509
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:02,799
Speaker 1: Sam?

1510
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 2: Good?

1511
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 15: Just a couple of points I wanted to bring up,

1512
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 15: so hopefully I don't take up too much time. But

1513
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 15: the first of them being free agents out there. I

1514
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 15: know we spoke a lot about this over the past

1515
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 15: couple of months. But one guy that I've thought a

1516
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 15: lot about, Christian Wilkins. I know he's got a huge

1517
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 15: contract and he was let go by the Raiders. I'm

1518
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 15: wondering if there's some kind of way, you know, you

1519
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 15: could get him to come in and be a really

1520
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 15: good rotational piece with the other guys, or if you'd

1521
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 15: be in cap hell. I know, we have a lot

1522
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 15: of space. It's not going to roll over, So I

1523
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 15: don't know, everything looks like the.

1524
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 4: Space rolls over. Yeah, he's not under contract at all

1525
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 4: right now, he's a free agent. He's not going to

1526
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 4: cast you any No one wants him because it's all

1527
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 4: kinds of Yeah, there's all kinds of issues there.

1528
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: I agree.

1529
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 5: I mean the player, it's I mean, yeah, I think

1530
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 5: he's always been I mean, I think they were really

1531
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 5: into him a couple of years ago, right before he

1532
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 5: signed with the Raiders, and he seems to fit right.

1533
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: There's all sorts of locker room, off the field stuff.

1534
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: Going on with.

1535
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 4: Stay Away.

1536
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 2: That was a guy during training camp that Rabel mentioned, Yeah,

1537
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 2: we'll talk about him.

1538
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 3: Ye, And then they found out why he was released.

1539
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: Brian's and Lowell, what's up Brian.

1540
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 13: Hey, what's up guys?

1541
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: Hey, Brian, I love calling guys every week.

1542
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 13: But yeah, the Patriots around dolls have a good game

1543
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 13: some day.

1544
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 2: It was a great game. Where were you watching the game, Brian,

1545
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm at home at home with just by yourself.

1546
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean pretty much.

1547
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, yeah, with you or not games though.

1548
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: People coming in and out.

1549
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 4: Probably dispensary.

1550
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 17: Douglas not catch doll.

1551
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 6: That was sick.

1552
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: I was unbelieve. I don't know how he called. I

1553
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: still don't stand how he caught that ball. When he

1554
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: caught that ball. Did you come out of your seat?

1555
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I was like, I don't think anything

1556
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: makes this guy.

1557
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 18: Yeah, how did you catch that?

1558
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 16: Ye?

1559
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: Take another head, just with his hands, that's how you

1560
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: do it. That was great, well, Brian, keep keep calling.

1561
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: Appreciate the call.

1562
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: Thanks, Brian.

1563
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 2: Let's go to dominic in New York.

1564
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 4: What's up?

1565
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 2: Dominic? Dominic? Dom doma is gone is gone? All right,

1566
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: that's okay. We got a lot of emails here. I'll

1567
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 2: try yell at me. I'd like that, Like, yeah, I like.

1568
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 4: It when they're not yelling at Meum.

1569
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 2: This talk about the use of Trevion Henderson getting bugging

1570
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: you or yes, okay.

1571
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie a little bit.

1572
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: Nick and Boston. I get that Trevian Henderson has not

1573
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 2: been blocking well and it's not run patiently. But it's

1574
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: also true that the way the coaching staff is using

1575
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 2: him is bizarre. If you look at his next Gen

1576
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 2: Carrie chart, almost every single rush is up the middle.

1577
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: Against the Saints, he did not have a single rush

1578
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 2: outside the tackles. Also, why not line him up out

1579
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: wide off the line of scrimmage like the Falcons do

1580
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: with Bijon and get him the ball in space and

1581
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: quick hitters. His usage does not fit his profile. So

1582
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: what do we do here? Because fans are they're fixated

1583
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 2: on Trevion Henderson's responsibility.

1584
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 4: I agree we hyped him too much in training camp?

1585
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: Did we did?

1586
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 4: We felt?

1587
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 5: I don't know if he hyped him too much, but

1588
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 5: we talked about him a lot because he looked good

1589
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 5: in training camp, and I think, as you find with

1590
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 5: even some of the players, that once she gets to

1591
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 5: a regular season.

1592
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 4: It's not the only thing on that email that I

1593
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 4: would strongly agree with, is I would. I am a

1594
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 4: little surprised they haven't tried to do much with him

1595
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 4: in the passing game, like like what he's talking about

1596
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 4: getting him out wide like Bijon Robinson. I do think

1597
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 4: he could be a matchup nightmare.

1598
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: But did you see the wheels on Beijon Robinson last night?

1599
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 3: I mean Jamier Gibbs was Jami Gibbs, same, same, I

1600
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 3: means fantastic.

1601
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 4: Gibbs has just done it for for longer.

1602
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: Last week, next week.

1603
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 4: Bjon Henderson has not played well and that's why I

1604
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 4: think that he's fighting it a little bit. And I

1605
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 4: think his usage was down, you know, probably right.

1606
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 5: And I mean it sounded to me like it looked

1607
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 5: like Rimandre was getting rolling and we said, let's let's

1608
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 5: let him roll.

1609
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 4: But I also think that some of the role that

1610
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 4: they envisioned for Henderson was, you know, as a passing back,

1611
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 4: is the third down guy, and Stevenson's better at it.

1612
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 4: He's better at blocking than than Henderson has been. And

1613
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 4: I think that's cut into some of his snaps as

1614
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 4: a result.

1615
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 5: Last week just highlighted even more that you're not he

1616
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 5: can barely make it with two guys.

1617
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: You're not going to make it with just Remond or something.

1618
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, I agree with the email or that

1619
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 3: I am also surprised that they haven't flexed them out

1620
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 3: a little bit or ran them on more wheel routes

1621
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 3: and like things like that out of the backfield. But

1622
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 3: the rushing chart thing like this is also going up

1623
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 3: my backside because like they're running outside zone with him

1624
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 3: in the game and the run reads is just taking

1625
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 3: him into the middle of the field, like they're trying

1626
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 3: to get the ball off tackle with him in the game. Now,

1627
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 3: like I guess maybe they could toss it out to

1628
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 3: him and really get him out on the edge by

1629
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 3: doing that, but like it's not They're not running half

1630
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:32,440
Speaker 3: back dive.

1631
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 4: Up the middle with Trayvon Henderson.

1632
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 3: It's just it happens that when he's been on the

1633
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 3: field that those runs are you know, he has a read,

1634
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 3: you know, do I bounce this or do I cut

1635
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 3: it back up? And the Reds have been taking him

1636
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 3: into the teeth of the defense.

1637
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 4: And that's just the way that it's one of the

1638
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 4: real real quick Freddy, is what offensively you've been disappointed with.

1639
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: Over the last And so that was the next thing.

1640
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, like whatever they're doing, I mean, we talked about

1641
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 4: this struggling to run the football. He was part of

1642
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 4: the struggles running the football. They gave the carries to

1643
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 4: one guy this week and whatever. Maybe it's because they

1644
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 4: went with a light box. Maybe it was because Tennessee

1645
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 4: is just not good. They're not Stevenson ran really well

1646
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 4: and the offense did really well again for whatever, the

1647
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 4: fourth fifth week in.

1648
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 2: A row, Austin and Oklahoma. I think he has the

1649
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: answer to your thing, Paul. Why a little mixed up?

1650
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: You're thinking of a lot mixed adjusted completion percentage. Drake

1651
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: may had an adjusted this.

1652
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,799
Speaker 4: I told you, I'm probably screwing up the stats. Yeah,

1653
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you. Emailer. Adjusted.

1654
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's different that like accounts for like drops and

1655
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 3: things like that.

1656
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 4: That's what That's what I thought. And I was just

1657
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 4: trying to figure out based on the two wing completions,

1658
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 4: which one of them was supposed to have been caught. Yeah.

1659
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 2: Carl in Salt Lake City thinks that Josh McDaniels might

1660
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 2: be intentionally keeping plays of Henderson off the tape early

1661
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: in the season, saving those watching lace.

1662
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 4: Like Stevens, Like, I just don't, I just don't get it,

1663
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 4: Like you preface that perfectly, Freddie, is this notting to

1664
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 4: be things. It's starting to bother you a little bit

1665
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 4: a little bit. Can we just say that's had nine snaps? Yeah,

1666
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 4: and so like should we have an as to why

1667
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 4: I think he had ten snaps? Actually, but do we

1668
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 4: have an inquiry or as to why they're not getting

1669
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 4: him involved? It's coming like, please, like he hasn't played well.

1670
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 4: It's not like an indictment of the pick. It's not

1671
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 4: an indictment of him, like he hasn't played well. He's

1672
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 4: played seven games as a pro.

1673
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 5: I just keep coming back to James White and him having,

1674
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 5: you know, a red shirt year, and even his second

1675
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 5: year wasn't all that great, and then you know that

1676
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 5: third year he becomes the guy. So you just have

1677
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 5: to be a little patient. But again I blame us

1678
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 5: for hyping him up. And I mean, I don't really

1679
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 5: want to say that's that negative because he did look

1680
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 5: really good. It wasn't like we were making it up.

1681
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 5: But it's a lot different once you get into realize.

1682
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 4: Like I said, I am surprised they haven't tried to

1683
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 4: target a linebacker a little bit more in the passing game.

1684
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 4: But they've given him opportunities to run the ball. They've

1685
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 4: given them opportunities to be in pass protection. They've given

1686
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 4: him opportunities to do the things that he supposedly does well,

1687
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 4: and he hasn't done a lot of them.

1688
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Darius and Louisville. I have a couple of

1689
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: things to get off my chest. First, I'm so sick

1690
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 2: and tired of hearing about an easier soft schedule. We

1691
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: lost thirteen games the last two seasons, and most of

1692
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: them were against bad teams. Now that we're actually winning

1693
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: these games, people want to talk about how easy the

1694
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 2: schedule is. Stop it.

1695
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 4: That took longer than I thought.

1696
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 2: Secondly, I kind of wanted to defend Pop. If he's

1697
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: running full speed wide open, shouldn't be the throw in

1698
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: front of him wide open? Shouldn't the throw be in

1699
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: front of him for his run after catch instead of

1700
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 2: stopping his full momentum to sit down. And Lastly, I

1701
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 2: don't review the film or any thing, but from the

1702
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 2: naked eye, it seems like they are using Edison the

1703
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 2: wrong way. Okay, the wrong way on.

1704
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 3: The Pop one, you run it the way the quarterback

1705
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 3: wants it to be run. And that's just universal across

1706
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 3: any quarterback, any team, any real really, any level. Like

1707
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 3: if Drake May wants you to just sit. Then you

1708
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 3: right like it's really.

1709
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 4: If there are rules for route running and for a

1710
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 4: quarterback play, you need to follow them. And if they're

1711
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 4: in a certain coverage that dictates you run the route

1712
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 4: in a certain way and you don't do it. The

1713
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 4: quarterback can't wait and say he's supposed to do this,

1714
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 4: but he's not doing it. I'm going to adjust and

1715
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 4: throw it this way. You can't do that. You have

1716
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 4: to see the same time, especially in a fourth down

1717
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 4: play where it's a quick obviously a quick hitter that

1718
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 4: was supposed to be very fast.

1719
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 3: See and it's it's didn't cost him this week, but

1720
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 3: it's good in January or wild and it doesn't the

1721
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 3: schedule thing.

1722
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 4: Yes, they've lost to bad teams. They've made This is

1723
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 4: what Mike Rabel talked about. We want to be in

1724
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 4: position where we could take advantage of bad football. And

1725
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 4: they've made progress from the last two years to this

1726
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 4: year to be able to take advantage of bad football.

1727
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 4: Don't get your panties in a bunch that people are

1728
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,839
Speaker 4: saying it's a bad schedule. It's the single worst schedule

1729
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 4: since the league expanded to sixteen games. In nineteen seventy eight. Statistically,

1730
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 4: it's the single worst schedule, so you can say that

1731
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 4: they did They had easy schedules the last year, not

1732
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 4: as easy as this. Don't like why why do we

1733
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 4: have to be upset about being five and two? Why?

1734
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 6: Like?

1735
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 4: Why do we do this?

1736
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 2: Cody in Indiana, I freaking love Brian and Lowell. He

1737
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: calls in every week and all he asks, so how

1738
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 2: about the game never change? Brian? You ought to be

1739
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 2: a Patriots beat writer with such hard hitting questions.

1740
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 4: Ooh wow, wow.

1741
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:47,759
Speaker 1: Brian, And it's at the bottom.

1742
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 5: I was watching these games with I don't know that

1743
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 5: was suspect that it was mysterious, what it was somebody?

1744
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 4: Well, you're not ready to commit fully whether or not

1745
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 4: I watched with somebody else.

1746
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 3: DNA my own predident signs that I might have been

1747
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 3: side piece.

1748
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 4: We don't want to blow strong, show continued. You don't

1749
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 4: want to tell he's.

1750
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: Like, I'm married, Jill, Brien Lowell. I didn't watch it, not.

1751
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 4: That I would know. You know, you know, maybe his

1752
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 4: wife is listening and all of a sudden.

1753
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: The whole family loves the show.

1754
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 4: Who was he watching the game? I wasn't I wasn't

1755
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 4: with him.

1756
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: Right, we'll get next week when he called picking up,

1757
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: I like it.

1758
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 2: Back to the phones Ivans in California.

1759
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 13: Hey, Ivan, Hey gents, how are we doing today?

1760
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 2: Okay?

1761
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 4: Great playoffs?

1762
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,759
Speaker 13: Yes, I wanted to weigh in on the culture versus

1763
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 13: winning thing, and then I got a question on the

1764
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 13: line to me, without a good culture, you don't win,

1765
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 13: right and Rabel what he brought instantly was the credibility

1766
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 13: of being a great player or a next player at

1767
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 13: a high level, coaching at a high level, picking his

1768
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 13: own staff, which is including Josh McDaniels, which some of

1769
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 13: this narrative out there that Josh was forced upon him

1770
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 13: as such bs because he already made the comment that

1771
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 13: he spoke with Josh many times over the last year.

1772
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 13: And you know, we're seeing the results of that now.

1773
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 13: Of course, you've got to bring in the right players

1774
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 13: to execute on your vision, and I think that that's

1775
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 13: where the rest of the the staff and the team

1776
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 13: has come together on that. So I think we're seeing that,

1777
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 13: which is a big difference to where we where we've

1778
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 13: been the last couple of years. So the question I

1779
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 13: have on the ol on the on line, though, is

1780
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 13: an all on deference to Evan They do great stuff.

1781
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 13: And I'm not a stat geek. I let my eye

1782
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 13: see what I see. And Jared Wilson's really struggling. I

1783
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 13: know he's a rookie. At the same time, we keep

1784
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 13: saying that he might be, you know, better off at

1785
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 13: a center, and we've got Bradbury there. Just wondering if

1786
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 13: Bradbury's starting to come back to what we thought he

1787
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 13: would be when we first signed him. And I mean,

1788
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 13: what do you guys think that we could do. I mean,

1789
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 13: do we put is it too early or too late?

1790
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 13: Not too late, but too early to put Wilson at center?

1791
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 13: Maybe put Brown in a guard and ride it that way.

1792
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 13: I'll take it off the air. Thanks, guys.

1793
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 3: I think it's too late to change two positions, and

1794
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 3: with the quarterback playing as well as he is, changing

1795
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 3: his center is not something I'd be interested in doing.

1796
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 2: Now.

1797
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 3: The Wilson to Ben Brown, that was something I was

1798
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 3: talking about last week. I mean, this has been brewing

1799
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 3: now to Jared Wilson's defense on Vermandre's sixteen yard run.

1800
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 3: He made one of the best run blocks I've seen

1801
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 3: the Patriot make all year. So there are flashes of

1802
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 3: him playing as well podcast. But at the same time,

1803
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 3: the pass protection, the physicality, the power, and the run

1804
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 3: game isn't all there for him yet at guard especially,

1805
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 3: so it's hard for him to dig out bigger run stuffing,

1806
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 3: defensive tackles and things like that.

1807
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 4: I get it.

1808
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 3: I think that there is a case. And I go

1809
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty one when they put Ted Carrey

1810
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 3: in the starting lineup for Mike on whn WHU, like

1811
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 3: on when who had a much higher ceiling and was

1812
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 3: the future on the line. But that line just fit

1813
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 3: better with Ted Carris instead of on Wenu. It just

1814
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 3: the five men just came to be together better with

1815
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 3: teddy K. So could that be the case with Ben

1816
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: Brown instead of Jared Wilson. Maybe, But it doesn't seem

1817
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 3: like they're really rushing to make that move. But I

1818
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 3: would not change two positions. I think once you start

1819
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 3: doing that is when it's a house of cards and

1820
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 3: you start getting yourself in trouble.

1821
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point, Just to the culture point.

1822
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 5: I think at some point Vrabel said you don't really

1823
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 5: know what your culture is until you have adversity, and

1824
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 5: so it's easy to say they have great culture right

1825
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 5: now when they're on a heater and they're winning. But

1826
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 5: you know, I think it speaks more to the bounce

1827
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 5: back after the Pittsburgh game that Brabel's pointed back to,

1828
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 5: is like, you know, to have a bad game like

1829
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 5: that and to see us bounce back, you know, we'll

1830
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 5: see what kind of culture they have.

1831
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I believe in it.

1832
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to poo poo it, but I just

1833
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 5: think until you have a game like you know, like

1834
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 5: Bigger Mayfield last night, you know, like MVP guy has

1835
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 5: kind of a down game, do you bounce back? Are

1836
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 5: you able to put a back? Because they happen all

1837
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 5: the time and the whole in the NFL.

1838
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 4: The whole culture thing, and it's definitely relevant with this team.

1839
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 4: I think we talked about it in the first hour.

1840
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 4: You can see a difference. We've been around this team

1841
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 4: for the last few years and you can see the difference.

1842
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 4: Mike made the point of when the losses started to

1843
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 4: pile up as opposed to now when the winds are

1844
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 4: partly on it, you can see the difference and the

1845
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 4: mentality and the demeanor Evan talked about, you know, their

1846
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 4: demeanor on the road even has noticeably changed. But Philadelphia

1847
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 4: doesn't have good chemistry right now. They don't have a

1848
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 4: good culture right now. And if there's still finding ways

1849
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 4: to win for the most part now, maybe they'll iron

1850
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 4: it out. They did it last year. They looked like

1851
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 4: Sirianna could get fired any week last year, and all

1852
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 4: of a sudden they never lost again. So it can

1853
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 4: be fleeting and you can lose it and recapture it

1854
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 4: when you have the talent that Philadelphia has. This team

1855
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 4: I think is going to need to maintain this kind

1856
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 4: of culture because I don't think they have as much

1857
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 4: base talent to fall back on if there starts to

1858
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 4: be some infighting. Douglas's comment about you know, he's funny

1859
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 4: because he's only been around three years, but like never

1860
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 4: been on a team with the offense and defense get

1861
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 4: along as well as this team does, right, I think

1862
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 4: that's part of it. I think Ivan's right. I think

1863
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 4: that's part of the success.

1864
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 2: Brian's and Georgia. Hey, Brian, Georgia, Brian, Hey, are you

1865
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: on the midnight train? Oh?

1866
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 4: I see what you did that?

1867
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 16: Hey guys, I gotta do it all right? So I

1868
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 16: was having a question, do y'all remember the team that

1869
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 16: was hot in like six six and oh seven, oh,

1870
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 16: a couple of years ago with Brady. You had to

1871
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 16: brigie me in on it. Yeah, and that schedule was easy, easy,

1872
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 16: and we was drinking the kool ai. And when you

1873
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 16: ran into the Ravens, yep, okay, do y'all see that's

1874
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 16: a little bit of comparison to this. I know this

1875
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 16: team is hot and I love drinke May And do

1876
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 16: you think when we run into Lions, Ravens, chiefs and

1877
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 16: coat it could look like that?

1878
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: It could? It could. But remember the whole boogeyman thing

1879
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 2: was the defense. Back then, If I recall, the defense

1880
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 2: was kind of getting a little ahead of themselveswhere well

1881
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 2: they were just in fact, a lot of guys in

1882
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 2: the locker room didn't like that.

1883
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah they were. They were dominanting guys.

1884
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 4: They were dominant defense.

1885
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 16: The offense is smoking and this one the defense is.

1886
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1887
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 2: Listen, Brian, I'm very eager to see what it looks

1888
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 2: like when we played Tampa Bay. And you know, when

1889
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 2: if Lamar comes back and we play the Ravens and

1890
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 2: some of these better teams, when we play the Bills

1891
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 2: the second time, I know that's down the road.

1892
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 4: But like how they did. It's even Cincinnati, And I

1893
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 4: know Flacco's no great shakes, but when those receivers, he

1894
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 4: just showed you they can score points.

1895
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 2: Atlanta's got a lot of weapons.

1896
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 4: And Atlanta's very inconsistent offensively. If you catch them in

1897
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 4: a week that they're you know, like last week, they

1898
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 4: look like they'd never moved the ball before the week before,

1899
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 4: they couldn't be stopped.

1900
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 5: The key difference for me is that you were a Tanks, Brian,

1901
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 5: then you were a team that had the end of

1902
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 5: Tom Brady and you were trying to squeeze Super Bowls

1903
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 5: out and it was Super Bowl or bust. And you know,

1904
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 5: I just maybe it's a bad example, but like how

1905
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 5: much easier or how much harder.

1906
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 1: Is the Jets schedule than the Patriots.

1907
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 5: I mean they're probably what they have three different three

1908
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,879
Speaker 5: different opponents that sport, so it's pretty.

1909
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 4: Much the same.

1910
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 5: Now, the easiest schedules in the league, and that hasn't

1911
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 5: had they haven't won a game yet. So now you're

1912
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 5: talking about Aaron Glenn, not building a culture, not having

1913
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,799
Speaker 5: any kind of program, not having any kind of belief.

1914
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: But now on the other side of the corner.

1915
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 4: You have Mike Rabel and we are talking about what

1916
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 4: Johnson said, if they could complete a pass, it would

1917
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 4: look I'm not making that up. I just I'm not

1918
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 4: looking this.

1919
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 5: Year as saying we got to get a super Bowl

1920
01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 5: this year because time is running out.

1921
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm looking as this is year one.

1922
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 5: Of a completely new regime, and to look at it

1923
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 5: seven games in and say we have belief, we have

1924
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,560
Speaker 5: buy in, we have the startings of a new program.

1925
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 5: Despite the easy schedule, I don't really care. Like this

1926
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 5: is they need wins, they need to stack confidence and belief. Meanwhile,

1927
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 5: the Jets are facing a similar schedule and they can't

1928
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 5: get out of their own way. So you know, it

1929
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 5: just it doesn't necessarily mean, oh, you have an easy schedule.

1930
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 4: The difference between having a quarterback and not.

1931
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: And I know that statistically this might be the easiest.

1932
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 2: But last year they played a lot of bad teams,

1933
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 2: and like the emailers said, they didn't win those games. No,

1934
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 2: they couldn't beat them easy ten three.

1935
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 4: You know, they beat some of them. Then they lost

1936
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 4: to some of them too. This year they've only lost

1937
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 4: one of those games. Now, the one thing that I

1938
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 4: would say to Mike that I'd strongly agree with. There

1939
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 4: is like the whole nineteen thing. Yeah, when they played

1940
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 4: better teams, they lost, and that was an indication that

1941
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 4: you weren't going to be good enough to win the

1942
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 4: super Bowl. And that was not good enough given that

1943
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 4: were at that time. Right, if it turns out that

1944
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 4: you play let's just say, for argument's sake, it's worst

1945
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 4: case scenario, you lose to Atlanta, Tampa, Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Buffalo.

1946
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 4: Worst case scenario you lose all five of those games. Yes,

1947
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 4: it'll be extremely disappointing that we haven't progressed as maybe

1948
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 4: as far as we all thought. But that's not gonna

1949
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 4: like and the like. It's not going to close the book.

1950
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 4: The twenty nineteen season was it was clear that's this

1951
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 4: is it one last rodeo. Tom's leaving, that's our window.

1952
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 4: We're done for now. This is gonna be Okay, we're

1953
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 4: not quite ready to be that kind of a playoff team,

1954
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 4: but we can still win ten games, make the playoffs,

1955
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,520
Speaker 4: and you know, be frisky when we get in the playoffs.

1956
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 4: The arrow's point up, we're still gonna be gonna be

1957
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 4: even better next year. You can look at it that

1958
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 4: your building.

1959
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 2: They were coming off a super Bowl going this way.

1960
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 2: We're coming off four wins and going this way.

1961
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 4: Even if you lose all those games against the supposedly

1962
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 4: the supposedly tough team.

1963
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 5: And even if the season ends exactly the same way

1964
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 5: as nineteen, you lose a home playoff game in a

1965
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 5: tight game to you know, a good team like well.

1966
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 4: I'm not even saying the home playoff game. If you

1967
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 4: lose all five of those games, you ain't getting a

1968
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 4: home playoff game. But even if it's.

1969
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 5: Completely different feeling afterwards where we just wanted a home

1970
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 5: even if you don't make.

1971
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 4: The playoffs, for you for whatever reason, let's say let's

1972
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 4: say you lose to one of the teams that you

1973
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 4: don't expect to lose. You lose to Cleveland, so you

1974
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 4: go nine to eight, you don't make the playoffs. I

1975
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 4: still think the arrow would be putting. It would be disappointing.

1976
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be like, oh, listen to the

1977
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 4: team broadcast telling everybody you know, it's okay, No, it

1978
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 4: wouldn't be. Will we upset? Will come Mike and I

1979
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 4: will do postgame shows and we'll you know, be red

1980
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 4: faced and annoyed that they let an opportunity to slip away.

1981
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 4: But I think the bottom line would be the future

1982
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 4: is bright.

1983
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, speaking of the future. Eldred's in North Carolina.

1984
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 2: What's up? Aldred?

1985
01:30:50,000 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 18: Hey been doing it with.

1986
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 6: Trained?

1987
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:08,759
Speaker 2: Somebody almost merged into my lane today. I was so mad. Anyway,

1988
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 2: go ahead, al, go.

1989
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 18: Ahead, n I get it.

1990
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 19: Other Mike, this should across me. Get to the day

1991
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 19: it makes it and I'd be hunky own and didn't.

1992
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 15: Doing it too.

1993
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 19: But yes, sir, there's two there's two things that never

1994
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 19: come out of celebrating this week, one of the Panthers

1995
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 19: and another Drake mate. It's all they're talking about. Now, Okay,

1996
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,799
Speaker 19: take your flowers, buddy, take your flowers, buddy.

1997
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 4: Sure, I guess they can.

1998
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 3: They can share in the excitement about Drake May and Ie,

1999
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 3: uh yeah.

2000
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 6: You know.

2001
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 3: I mean why shouldn't like the whole state just gets

2002
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 3: to claim him, like I.

2003
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 2: Don't know, just why he went to the college.

2004
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 4: I mean he's like yeah like that. I don't know.

2005
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 3: It's like it's like a jet like has a big

2006
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 3: NBA career. We can just claim him and you.

2007
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 2: Know, like if if you know you did something right,

2008
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 2: I think Needham would be right behind you.

2009
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 3: No, No, like Allan Raisman.

2010
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I only stayed fifteen miles from his house.

2011
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 19: I know the school, he went through, the neighborhood. I'm

2012
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 19: around that area. So everybody's still I.

2013
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 3: Know, I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing.

2014
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 2: That's great.

2015
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 6: I love it.

2016
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 19: Cool, but that's cool.

2017
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 16: Yeah.

2018
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 19: Yeah, but my question is that, Okay, I'm like, I'm

2019
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 19: not getting back up to that defense. Offense, a little

2020
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 19: bit worried, but that defense. I mean, I know Doug

2021
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 19: half to stop, but the first half kids the hell

2022
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 19: out of me. That's what I'm wondering. So what can

2023
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,799
Speaker 19: they do to tighten it up? Get better or better player?

2024
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2025
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 18: I take it off there, all right.

2026
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 2: Thanks. You know, it's funny because I think in New

2027
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 2: Orleans that first play, I think they tried to do

2028
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: something on defense to kind of stem that fired on them,

2029
01:32:57,479 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 2: and it backfired. Yeah.

2030
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, because I agree with you, Fred,

2031
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 3: I think they tried to pull a fast one on

2032
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 3: New Orleans to try to get a good play early,

2033
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,799
Speaker 3: because they keep saying that once they make a play,

2034
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 3: they start to rally around that and they start to

2035
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 3: get the energy and get going. But I think they

2036
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 3: played pretty vanilla early in these games. And again, I

2037
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 3: don't know if that's by design. I don't know if

2038
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 3: they would admit that it's by design, even it was

2039
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 3: by design, but they kind of just come out in

2040
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 3: their base defense and their base schemes and do what

2041
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 3: they do. And you know, then once they kind of

2042
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 3: like let the other team empty the clip of like

2043
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 3: all of the game plan scripted plays, right, and then

2044
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 3: they're like, all right, like you got your little throwback

2045
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 3: off the boot, you know, out of your system, like

2046
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 3: now let's play for.

2047
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 2: The problem with some of the better teams is their

2048
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 2: clip is a lot bigger, right and doesn't necessarily concern

2049
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,759
Speaker 2: and then question for you, there's.

2050
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 3: Something growing a little bit, there's something maybe it was

2051
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 3: garbage time, so I don't want to put some much

2052
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 3: on it.

2053
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 5: Like his size, his movement skill, like he just I

2054
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 5: don't know, he looks he looks the part to me,

2055
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 5: and I mean twenty snaps nothing, you know, that's our

2056
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 5: running joke now on the postgame show, how much did

2057
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 5: Marty map WHU play? But you know, just as they

2058
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 5: consider to explore options, he.

2059
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 1: Just I don't know. I think he's doing pretty good job.

2060
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do wonder if you know, is there a

2061
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 3: third down roll for him where, you know, maybe you

2062
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 3: do take a Splane or an Ellis or someone like

2063
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,719
Speaker 3: that off the field and get a more athletic coverage

2064
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 3: linebacker converted safety that has a little bit more skill

2065
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 3: and coverage to defend in some of those situations. I mean,

2066
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 3: they've been pretty good and third and like medium plus

2067
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 3: like so it's not like it's been a problem, but

2068
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 3: their early down defense has really been where the problem

2069
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 3: has numbers.

2070
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: You want to share this, I want to.

2071
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 5: I want to share this now because Paul made fun

2072
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 5: of me. But I don't think I need Evan to

2073
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 5: tell me I'm dumb. If Evan tells me I'm dumb,

2074
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:55,679
Speaker 5: I don't know that this.

2075
01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 2: Is the pen with the multiple old school multicolor.

2076
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't tell you it was dumb.

2077
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: No, no, no, not dumb. But you know he's dumb.

2078
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 2: They were talking EPA on the Patriots defense. All right.

2079
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 5: So first of all, I gotta say I didn't say

2080
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 5: this to you Paul on the show, but they're tenth

2081
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 5: in ep on first down, all right, So tenth, so

2082
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 5: they're a very good first down defense. Now the breakdown

2083
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 5: though that I had, and I'm gonna try to make

2084
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 5: these as digestible as possible because nobody wants this.

2085
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 3: Don't use the numbers, to use the rankings. It's much

2086
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 3: easier that way.

2087
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm talking about the difference second and third

2088
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 5: down short to mid so second and third down one

2089
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 5: to six yards versus third down, second and third down

2090
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 5: and long. All right, So I'm already second and third

2091
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 5: down one to six yards, they're the thirtieth ranked defense

2092
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 5: in the league. So second and third down one to

2093
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 5: six yards, so short to middle back that up to

2094
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:51,560
Speaker 5: second and third down and long they're sixth. So and

2095
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 5: we've talked a lot about the circumstantial, like oh, they

2096
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 5: got a holding call that made it second and long.

2097
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 5: So just from these numbers that I was nerding out on,

2098
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 5: it's just like a point to a weird thing of

2099
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 5: when it's long distance, like, no problem, we're going to cover,

2100
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 5: we're going to get after the quarterback. But when it's

2101
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 5: short and medium on second and third down, they're not very.

2102
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 2: Good that speed in the middle.

2103
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2104
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what that's what the debate is.

2105
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they're eighteenth and early down EPA, first and

2106
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,600
Speaker 3: second down EPA they're ninth and third down EPA. And

2107
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 3: I think the big thing, you know, looking at the

2108
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 3: discrepancy is you know that they stopped the run really well,

2109
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 3: but on early downs they're getting killed by passes.

2110
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 4: And I just I don't know.

2111
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 3: Why the early down defense is not stopping the pass well,

2112
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,640
Speaker 3: but it's not. And so that that's just statistically what

2113
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 3: it is.

2114
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 2: Let's look at the style. You know, are they giving

2115
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 2: too much cushion, you know, are they not pressing enough?

2116
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 3: Well, that's the other thing that's like I think concerning

2117
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 3: is right now, statistically they're one of the worst man

2118
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 3: coverage defenses in football. And that was supposed to be

2119
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 3: their calling card, was supposed to be how they were built.

2120
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 3: And I think what you know, the issues that you're

2121
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 3: seeing are the linebacker in safety play in the middle

2122
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:10,719
Speaker 3: of the field, either not supporting the man coverage defenders

2123
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 3: with help like the Marcus Jones example that we were

2124
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 3: talking about earlier, or they're getting isolated in man coverage

2125
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 3: on the safeties and linebackers and then they're picking on

2126
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 3: those guys in man to man coverage. So either way

2127
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 3: you look at it, I do think it stems from

2128
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 3: the middle of the field. And I know that there's

2129
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 3: been some criticism of Carlon Davis and maybe a little

2130
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 3: bit less so, but even you know, Gonzales should not

2131
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 3: be giving up third down completions to Van Jefferson. Okay,

2132
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 3: no disrespect to Van Jefferson, but Carlton Christian Gonzalez is

2133
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 3: a much much better player than Van Jefferson. But those

2134
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,480
Speaker 3: two guys really are not giving up a lot of yardage,

2135
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 3: you know, they really aren't. So's it's coming in the

2136
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 3: middle of the field. And you know that that is

2137
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 3: if you're looking at personnel and you're looking, you know,

2138
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 3: into next offseason or even the trade deadline, like getting

2139
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 3: more dynamic pass game players at linebacker and safety has

2140
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 3: got to be where you start.

2141
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 5: One more follow up on this kind of related would

2142
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 5: you say now that Christian Ellis is less a starter

2143
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 5: and it's more rotational spot next to Spelene.

2144
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: Because it just doesn't. It doesn't.

2145
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,600
Speaker 5: It seems to me like it's a rotation now and

2146
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 5: Gibbons is going to get in there, and Devia's gonna.

2147
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 1: Play a little bit in the three linebacker stuff.

2148
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 5: But you know, at the start of the season, it

2149
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 5: felt like it was Ellis and Spoleaine our two guys,

2150
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 5: and then when he Elis won play so good, it

2151
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 5: felt like, all right, let's let's get another guy in there.

2152
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 5: But now to me, it just seems like it's kind

2153
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 5: of a rotational spot, which is probably a little bit

2154
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 5: of an indictment of what you're doing.

2155
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I think that they've slightly upgraded Bentley

2156
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 3: to Spolaine in terms of coverage, but it's still not

2157
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 3: his strong suits. So, like we were talking earlier about

2158
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 3: the crosser that was one of the better throws that

2159
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,480
Speaker 3: cam Ward made. I mean, like a better coverage linebacker,

2160
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 3: does he like squeeze that throat? Does he get a

2161
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 3: hand on it? Like, I don't know, And I know

2162
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 3: that's nitpicky, but like these are the play that they're

2163
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 3: giving up. They're giving up bombs on post routes, they're

2164
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 3: giving up crossers over the middle of the field. They're

2165
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 3: giving up in breaking routes you know from the outside,

2166
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 3: slants and skinny posts and things like that. Like they're

2167
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 3: not giving up go routes. They're not giving up things

2168
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 3: to the outside. Because gun Zalaz and Davis are there,

2169
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 3: so like it's all this other stuff that is hurting

2170
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 3: them in the NFL.

2171
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 2: Do you kind of have to give up something now?

2172
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 5: In a question, fre I kind of feel like a

2173
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 5: little bit with that of, Look, we know that this

2174
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 5: guy might not be great in coverage, but he's going

2175
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 5: to be super reliable against the run.

2176
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna, you know, know, where to be. Like, I

2177
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying.

2178
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 4: If you have good offense like the Patriots have had

2179
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 4: so far, their defenses is good enough, Yeah, it'll be fine. Like,

2180
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any I agree with Fred, just

2181
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 4: like piggybacking a little bit, you know, Mike, I think

2182
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 4: got defensive because I was like, so, let me get

2183
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 4: this straight. If it's third in the Patriots defense can

2184
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 4: be okay. If it's if it's second and short, not

2185
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 4: so much. Now. I get what Mike is saying. It's

2186
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 4: relative because everybody's third and long and they're really good.

2187
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 4: Everybody's second and short and they're really bad. I get

2188
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 4: what Mike is saying. I understand the numbers. I would

2189
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,879
Speaker 4: just say anecdotally, without you know, breaking down tape and whatnot,

2190
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 4: I think this is a team that conventionally doesn't get

2191
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure front four without doing stuff. So

2192
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 4: it just stands to reason that when it's third and

2193
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 4: long they get pressure. They can get some pressure because

2194
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 4: they can dial it up a little bit. They know

2195
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:35,799
Speaker 4: when they know what's coming. I think they've been better.

2196
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 4: Now again that's still relative. Everybody else knows what's coming too,

2197
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 4: and they're better than would you say, sixth on third

2198
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 4: and long. So they're better than everybody else on third

2199
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 4: and long.

2200
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:48,720
Speaker 3: I mean they're ninth on third down in general. And

2201
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:51,719
Speaker 3: to that point I put this in after further review

2202
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 3: as well. They're playing a lot of man free, which

2203
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 3: is just man to man with one single high safety

2204
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 3: in the middle of the field. So there's nobody at

2205
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 3: the second level that's a help defender. There's no robber

2206
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 3: at the second level of the defense. And the reason

2207
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:08,559
Speaker 3: why they're doing that is because they're blitzing because to

2208
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 3: Paul's point, they don't feel confident in the four man

2209
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 3: pass rush getting home. So now this is the dilemma

2210
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 3: is like, do you take the robber and you drop

2211
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 3: the robber? Well, now you only have a four man

2212
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 3: pass rush, or you can put the robber in the rush,

2213
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 3: and now you have a five man pass rush, so

2214
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 3: you have to decide where are you gonna put the numbers,

2215
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 3: and without that butt person in the middle of the field,

2216
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 3: like Van Jefferson third and three, he just runs a

2217
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 3: slant right into the middle of the open field and

2218
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 3: there's nobody inside to help Gonzales, so he just gets beat.

2219
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 3: Carl And Davis got beat on the same exact route

2220
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 3: by Rashid Shaheed the week before, and so it's just

2221
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 3: that's it.

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01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 4: And when we're talking about some of this stuff, and

2223
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,599
Speaker 4: by the way, Vrabel mentioned some of these things on Monday.

2224
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 4: You know, have to bet early in games on early downs,

2225
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 4: and specifically he said we need to generate pressure on

2226
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 4: early downs. We're not and that sort of speaks to

2227
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 4: that a little bit. But I also would say that

2228
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 4: part of it is when you're third and long with

2229
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 4: the offenses that they that they've been playing, you might

2230
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 4: as well punt. The Tennessee Titans aren't converting third and elevens, right,

2231
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 4: you know, the Carolina Panthers aren't.

2232
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 1: It's a good point.

2233
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,600
Speaker 4: They need to be ahead of the chains. Their offenses

2234
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 4: are so limited. We're talking about thirty ranked thirty first ranked,

2235
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 4: thirty second ranked. They can't be third and long. They

2236
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:33,679
Speaker 4: can't overcome that. The biggest difference between the Patriots offense

2237
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 4: the past two years and this year is it's not

2238
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 4: time to punt when it's third and long for the

2239
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 4: Patriots anymore.

2240
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 2: That's right.

2241
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 4: They've been able to convert some of those preach.

2242
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great and I just so.

2243
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 4: That's obviously going to make you numbers better when you're

2244
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 4: playing these terrible offenses, and then you when you are

2245
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 4: able to get them behind to your your point, you

2246
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 4: get a holding call. That's the end, right, because they

2247
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 4: can't overcome that, right, or even.

2248
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 1: A false start for five killed.

2249
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:57,640
Speaker 5: But Paul, I'm glad you brought that up because this

2250
01:42:57,680 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 5: was another point I kind of came out of my

2251
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 5: little nerd review that the pass rush hasn't been that

2252
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 5: great and I think we all kind of look at

2253
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 5: Barmore looks really good. Williams has gotten some pressures in

2254
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 5: some key spots, I mean.

2255
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 4: Numbers and you just see like they had five sacks

2256
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 4: in the game. But the overall.

2257
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: Pressure it has not been that great this year. And

2258
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 1: that's I think, is it?

2259
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 5: Maybe that's I'm glad you brought that up there, and

2260
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:22,759
Speaker 5: when they got it it was after that twenty point

2261
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 5: twenty one point blitz.

2262
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 4: They really you know, I mean, I think Chase I

2263
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 4: had a pretty good game. Ye yeah, you know, to

2264
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 4: be honest with you, I thought he had a couple

2265
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 4: of good pressures in the game.

2266
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 2: But I thought they I thought, you know, maybe it's

2267
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 2: the tape that they saw of Williams and Barmore. But

2268
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 2: I thought, uh, the Titans were kind of ready for

2269
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 2: that pressure, and they were coaching cam Ward deep drops,

2270
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 2: move out of the pocket, and a lot of times

2271
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 2: he had plenty of time because he wasn't even near with.

2272
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 4: Certainly in the first half. Yeah, he had all he

2273
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 4: had all day.

2274
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 3: Well, they rolled him on the on the throwback play.

2275
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 3: But I wonder, like if you so, It's it's all

2276
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 3: about numbers, right, Like, if you put six guys in coverage,

2277
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 3: you have five in the rush. Who puts seven in coverage,

2278
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 3: you have four in the rush. If they put seven

2279
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 3: in coverage and they have they played more robber where

2280
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 3: they have one high safety with the robber at the sticks,

2281
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 3: and that allows these man coverage defenders. In theory, the

2282
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 3: quarterback has to hold the ball longer, right, because it's

2283
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 3: not the coverage is going to be tighter, and that's

2284
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:22,720
Speaker 3: how you like, That's always the dilemma is like is

2285
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 3: it pass rush or is it coverage? And I just

2286
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 3: wonder with this team, with Gonzales Davis and Marcus Jones

2287
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,680
Speaker 3: being as good as they are in man coverage, if

2288
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:34,599
Speaker 3: you just give all the resources to the coverage and

2289
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 3: say we are just gonna lock teams down eventually, I

2290
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 3: feel like Landry Chase on, Milton Williams and Barmore are

2291
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 3: gonna get home. Like it might not be instant pressure

2292
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 3: like it would be if you, you know, try to

2293
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 3: dial it up or whatever with blitzes, but if you

2294
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 3: give them three seconds to get to the quarterback, then

2295
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 3: I think more times than not then they're going to

2296
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 3: cause pressure and cause disruption. So I just wonder if

2297
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 3: that that's, you know, they'd start to try to change

2298
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,599
Speaker 3: up their man schemes because like they're literally dead last

2299
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 3: and EPA and man coverage. That shouldn't happen with the

2300
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 3: personnel they have.

2301
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 2: Franklin and Baltimore rates. And I've been watching the postgame

2302
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 2: locker room reactions and I got to say this is

2303
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 2: the most bought in I've seen a Patriots team in

2304
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 2: a while. I don't even think the twenty eighteen squad

2305
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 2: with its Super Bowl win was as bought in, which

2306
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,639
Speaker 2: I know is a crazy thing to say since they

2307
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 2: locked in during the playoffs. But Rabel has an approach

2308
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 2: that's similar to Dan Campbell, where the player coach mentality

2309
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 2: is married to a modern approach to analytics. If it

2310
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 2: wasn't for Stiching, Rabel would be the front runner for

2311
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 2: Coach of the Year.

2312
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 4: So you're not crazy on the twenty eighteen comparison because

2313
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,759
Speaker 4: that team clearly, you know, toge, we knew it going

2314
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,640
Speaker 4: through it, but it was confirmed with the documentary. They

2315
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 4: didn't like each other, they didn't like what was going on.

2316
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 4: There was a lot of dissension in that team. It's

2317
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 4: another example of like, you can win even if you

2318
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 4: don't have good culture if you have enough talent. But yeah, no,

2319
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 4: there's no question this team is bought in. It's absolutely body.

2320
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 4: The Dan Campbell thing is is fascinating to me.

2321
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 5: I was thinking about you the other night, watching the

2322
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 5: lines a little last night about yeah, because this does it,

2323
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 5: because that's what you're worried about. Like back Johnson leaves

2324
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 5: and the offenses. You know, but but this is what

2325
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 5: I was thinking actually, And I'm sorry to cut you off,

2326
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 5: because I was literally thinking about you last night when

2327
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 5: I was watching this.

2328
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,759
Speaker 3: That's nice, you know, but it's like I was thinking about.

2329
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 5: You know, it's like you get things up and running

2330
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 5: and like the system is, you know, but once you

2331
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 5: have to start changing out parts, is that when it starts.

2332
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 5: Because all these guys were coached by Ben Johnson, they

2333
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 5: were you know, the energy was kind of and so they're.

2334
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 2: Able to continue that a little bit.

2335
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 5: But as you start to get farther away, is this when,

2336
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:42,720
Speaker 5: right now we got to put a guy in and

2337
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 5: a key role that hasn't really played, and now it's

2338
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 5: going to start to get even more difficult.

2339
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 1: But I was thinking about that last night.

2340
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 3: They still look by the way, the offense that leads

2341
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 3: the league in explosive plays Chicago bears Johnson. But yeah,

2342
01:46:54,560 --> 01:47:02,679
Speaker 3: they they they the former play model, the Dan Campbell,

2343
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 3: the Mike Rabel with the analytical whiz kid sidekick is

2344
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 3: like my new favorite, like brain trust, Like normally you

2345
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 3: know me, like I like the type hands right, like

2346
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 3: I would hire Ben Johnson ten times out of ten.

2347
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 3: But there's something to be said for the guy that's

2348
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 3: played and Ben in the room and Ben in their

2349
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 3: shoes and has that kind of bravado about him that

2350
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:31,160
Speaker 3: Rabel and Dan Campbell has. But then they're complimented by

2351
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 3: stretch by, you know, people like that that can help

2352
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 3: them with the nerd side of things.

2353
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 4: And just hearing yesterday.

2354
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 3: With Rabel with Cleveland coming up, and obviously he spent

2355
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 3: the year last year with the Browns and talking a

2356
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 3: little bit about adopting more analytics and like how the

2357
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:51,719
Speaker 3: Patriots have approached that and learning some of the things

2358
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 3: from Cleveland, and it's been cool how open he is

2359
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 3: to that side of things because not a lot of

2360
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:59,560
Speaker 3: former players turned coaches are that.

2361
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 2: That's do you want to hear embracing things that are

2362
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 2: bad about PU think about us?

2363
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2364
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 2: I love the this is Isaac from Westfield says the

2365
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 2: first thing, well, he says that these are things you

2366
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 2: absolutely need to change. First, Patty from Agawam, this guy

2367
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 2: is the most boring multos Schlept to ever call in.

2368
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:21,639
Speaker 2: Why do you consistently answer his calls as if we care?

2369
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 2: It's his birthday? And then he went to training camp

2370
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 2: once two the return from practice in locker room music,

2371
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:30,760
Speaker 2: whose brilliant idea was this? I want to die of

2372
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 2: cringe every time I hear this.

2373
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 4: That's one of the best parts.

2374
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 2: Well, this is.

2375
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 4: All violent disagreement with that the sponsors.

2376
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 2: If I hear one more back to back, your father

2377
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 2: and I would like you to stop asking us for

2378
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 2: money in that smug FedEx voice, I'm gonna go insane

2379
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 2: and bront workwear enough Fred, How much are these guys paying?

2380
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 2: You get some new sponsors for Fred's lack of knowledge

2381
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 2: with the current NFL landscape. Now, we all love Fred

2382
01:48:58,120 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 2: and his good vies, but holy crap, does he.

2383
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,160
Speaker 4: Even watch I will not stand for that.

2384
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a bit about how many times he

2385
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 2: butcher's player's name, what team a player is on, how

2386
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 2: long they've been out of the league, et cetera. Can

2387
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:12,799
Speaker 2: somebody explain his job? Is he more of a producer

2388
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 2: and more of a ViBe's guide? Who used to follow

2389
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 2: the team? Five Christian in La So? Was he a troll?

2390
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 2: Was it all a bit? He's slowly becoming somewhat normal

2391
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 2: and you've let him off the hook without acknowledging it.

2392
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 2: Six press conferences. If we wanted to hear Mike Vrabel

2393
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 2: pretend he's not an alpha male a hole personality for

2394
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 2: thirty seconds every week by kissing Karen Kregians. But we

2395
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:39,759
Speaker 2: tune in live on the radio or watch on YouTube.

2396
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 2: Cut those boring filler segments from the show. If you

2397
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 2: have any integrity, you will read this on air.

2398
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:49,840
Speaker 4: Oh wow, the challenge job. Yeah, and I didn't even

2399
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 4: know you put that in the end.

2400
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,640
Speaker 2: I read it anyway, so it wasn't because of that

2401
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 2: ending set.

2402
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 4: I'm a little disappointed.

2403
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 1: I feel left out flame my song, but I feel

2404
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:58,040
Speaker 1: I didn't get flamed that.

2405
01:49:58,120 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 4: I feel left out everybody else?

2406
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 2: Well, is there someone for you? Is there something to

2407
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:05,120
Speaker 2: somebody else? Prob rented in Edmonton, Thank you, brand Ben

2408
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:07,720
Speaker 2: a p you listener for fifteen years and during the

2409
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:10,799
Speaker 2: dark ages of nineteen to twenty four, I distinctly recall

2410
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 2: a slow building, melancholic tone to Paul over the years,

2411
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 2: but during this win streak, I've noticed Paul is happier

2412
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 2: and more spirited than ever. I just wanted to point

2413
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 2: this out, share my happiness for the team and Paul.

2414
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. Not what I was looking for.

2415
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 4: I was looking for the criticism, but it's pretty simple.

2416
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 4: You win four games. It's I mean, we can try

2417
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 4: to put as much lipstick on it as we can.

2418
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 4: It's a little different when the quarterback is playing.

2419
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:40,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if I did it on air, but

2420
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 5: I mean, I think part of the nuance too for

2421
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 5: Paul is that they're winning the game with talent.

2422
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 1: And you know it's not just.

2423
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:51,479
Speaker 4: No because you have the bad schedule, right, and let's

2424
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 4: face it, not all five and twos are the same. Like,

2425
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:55,960
Speaker 4: you could be winning these games thirteen to ten because

2426
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 4: the other team turns it over four times and you

2427
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:00,719
Speaker 4: only turn it over twice. That's on how they're winning

2428
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:01,280
Speaker 4: these games.

2429
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 2: You were afraid of that in the beginning of the year.

2430
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you didn't want that, And I didn't want

2431
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 4: to win because of defense, right, because I don't think

2432
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 4: it's a very sustainable model, right.

2433
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 5: I mean, just used to play at the end of

2434
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 5: the half, the touchdown throw to booty where Jason McCarty

2435
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:16,799
Speaker 5: is saying, like, oh, they're going to play for halftime.

2436
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,320
Speaker 4: They they they were going to play for half time.

2437
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:22,679
Speaker 4: They wanted to end half. He was probably right.

2438
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:24,759
Speaker 3: But it just happens that Drake May is on the field.

2439
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 3: But right it is crazy waking up this morning after

2440
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 3: the whole slate is over. Drake May is third in

2441
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 3: betting odds for m.

2442
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:38,560
Speaker 4: VP of the league, and think that's ridiculous.

2443
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 3: And the people that are in front of him are

2444
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:45,120
Speaker 3: Mahomes and Allen off of purely off a resume, like

2445
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,599
Speaker 3: it's just the expectation is is the next you know,

2446
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:50,000
Speaker 3: nine weeks, those guys will rise to the top.

2447
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:52,759
Speaker 4: It's not. He's played better than both of those guys,

2448
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 4: and one of the guys that had sort of been

2449
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 4: playing at that level, they take a big step back

2450
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:00,120
Speaker 4: last night, just one game. But he was bad. He

2451
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 4: was horrible. You know, I would say, you can't ignore

2452
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 4: what's going on in India with with both Jones and Taylor.

2453
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 4: I think they both played an exceptionally high level. But

2454
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,600
Speaker 4: there's nobody that would argue right now, what do you

2455
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 4: what do you mean Drake May's an m VP candidate.

2456
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Cam Newton might might have.

2457
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 4: Can I just tell you, don't anybody tell Drake May

2458
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:23,320
Speaker 4: that that that's his guy?

2459
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:26,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe motivate him. He's like that, he doesn't he take.

2460
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 4: Someone's gotta let Cam know what Drake thinks of him,

2461
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,719
Speaker 4: and I think that would change another It does help.

2462
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 3: You know, Baker playing bad on Monday Night football definitely

2463
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:39,880
Speaker 3: helps Drake may because everybody is the real last memory

2464
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:42,640
Speaker 3: of Drake May is Sunday night football in Buffalo. So

2465
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:46,640
Speaker 3: when you play poorly in these primetime showings they do,

2466
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 3: that does.

2467
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 2: Sway the vote.

2468
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 4: I would even add in, you know Mike Evans going

2469
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 4: down with the broken collar bone, like that's is that

2470
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,200
Speaker 4: what happened to him? That's going to be part of

2471
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 4: that that.

2472
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:57,559
Speaker 2: I saw come out. I didn't know what was wrong

2473
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 2: with him.

2474
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,680
Speaker 1: Man, what is it?

2475
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:02,599
Speaker 2: Everything works out?

2476
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:04,679
Speaker 15: Everything we're going.

2477
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 3: Friend, Mike Evans is hurt. Michael Pennix has like a

2478
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:11,080
Speaker 3: bone bruise and his leg bruise.

2479
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 4: I don't even know about that one.

2480
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 3: And well, it was funny because I saw this yesterday

2481
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 3: and Pennix is one of the Bar's boys. He Bar is

2482
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:19,760
Speaker 3: big Penis guy, and so I texted him and I

2483
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 3: was like, so now the Patriots are going to face

2484
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel Kirk Cousins. The question Baker Mayfield without Mike, Yeah,

2485
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 3: but Cousins, he can.

2486
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:30,880
Speaker 2: Spin it.

2487
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 1: Places I want back to back lefty.

2488
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 4: Okay, so then you'll face Penix on one leg.

2489
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:40,479
Speaker 1: Lefty quarterbacks. I just think that's a funny, weird and

2490
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 1: that's true.

2491
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:43,440
Speaker 2: Joseph Pennsylvania.

2492
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 1: What's up, Joe, Yojo?

2493
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 17: You guys love the show and I love the entrance

2494
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 17: music from the locker room.

2495
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:52,400
Speaker 1: Good, thank you, Joe.

2496
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 17: But I have a question about just like the future

2497
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 17: like Chase on him Booty, right, But first I want

2498
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 17: to say, like, like with the Jets and the Dolphins,

2499
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 17: it's nice that they only have one combined win, but

2500
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 17: I actually hope they help us out and like become

2501
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:11,120
Speaker 17: like a traft game for some other like AFC playoff teams.

2502
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I could help us down the road.

2503
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 17: And so they're not drafting so high.

2504
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:18,599
Speaker 4: I mean, you just look at the Jets the last

2505
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 4: two weeks. They get their team points consecutive weeks and

2506
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:24,880
Speaker 4: lost the games. Yeah like that that you know you

2507
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:26,679
Speaker 4: can you can win a game if you only allowed

2508
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:29,559
Speaker 4: their team points, right, So they could do exactly what

2509
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 4: Joe says, they could trip somebody up.

2510
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:35,360
Speaker 17: Yep, sure, yeah, And my question is, so here's the scenario, guys,

2511
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 17: really with the future of Chase On and Booty Chase

2512
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 17: On only signed a one year deal. But let's say

2513
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 17: we're draft draft next year, we're in the we're selected

2514
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 17: mid twenties. Let's just say, do we resign Chase On

2515
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 17: as our starter defensive end next year? And is Booty

2516
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 17: like our X going forward?

2517
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 14: To me?

2518
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 17: He's our X going forward. If that's the case, what

2519
01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 17: position are we drafting? Think your biggest need?

2520
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 6: You think?

2521
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 2: I don't think like one. I mean, I don't think

2522
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:06,440
Speaker 2: one takes away the other. If you like Chase On

2523
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 2: and you sign him, that doesn't mean if you're in

2524
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:09,760
Speaker 2: a position.

2525
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:11,959
Speaker 4: I don't think either one of those guys would eliminate

2526
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 4: me from looking at that position in the draft. I

2527
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 4: don't know what's going to be available. I don't you know, Yeah,

2528
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 4: I don't.

2529
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,040
Speaker 5: I don't know either, but I you know, generally speaking

2530
01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 5: now a little bit of diving in on the draft,

2531
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 5: like you just you need to get younger at the

2532
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:26,040
Speaker 5: edge position. It's a critical position. It's the only you know,

2533
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 5: one of the big five that you don't feel like, well,

2534
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 5: I guess receiver to where you don't really have the

2535
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 5: young talent that that you're going to need long term.

2536
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 5: So I, you know, I don't put receiver atop that list.

2537
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 5: But if an opportunity to present itself to get somebody established,

2538
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 5: I might be interested in that.

2539
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of things that you, I mean,

2540
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:44,480
Speaker 4: you might need to tackle next year. I mean, Morgan

2541
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,840
Speaker 4: Moses thirty four years old. I mean, I don't know

2542
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 4: how much they think of Marcus Bryant. Maybe they think

2543
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 4: he's great, and then that's not a worry at all.

2544
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 4: Younger tight end, tight end is safety, lineback.

2545
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 3: I mean, there's tough class for those some of these

2546
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 3: positions in the first round at least, like edge is

2547
01:56:01,160 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 3: really the one that everybody's been touting as.

2548
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:05,280
Speaker 4: The on your raft for a long time.

2549
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:07,560
Speaker 3: But just in terms of the talent and the draft,

2550
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:12,879
Speaker 3: like edge is, everyone's talking about this edge class already

2551
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 3: like it's gonna be a really good one. So maybe

2552
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 3: if they're picking like in the teens, and you know,

2553
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 3: a couple go ahead of them, like, they might have

2554
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 3: somebody fall to them that isn't necessarily supposed to be there,

2555
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 3: and you might get Lucky.

2556
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 2: Todd's in North Carolina.

2557
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:31,360
Speaker 4: I hate Todd, by the way.

2558
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 2: Shout out to the Nashville Patriots fan club. Big party

2559
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 2: in the Saturday night, they got after it at the

2560
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 2: Live Oak bars there and.

2561
01:56:43,400 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 4: Kiss some baby behind the velvet Roe.

2562
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 2: Evan doesn't know I did. I did tell you, Evan,

2563
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,520
Speaker 2: if you were there, you wouldn't have bought a drink.

2564
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 2: Where's Evan?

2565
01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 3: I was getting into an uber to go back to

2566
01:56:57,400 --> 01:57:01,240
Speaker 3: the hotel on Saturday night and the door opens and

2567
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:04,520
Speaker 3: this kid comes flying out of the uber and is like.

2568
01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 4: Evan, Oh my god, I'm the biggest fan. Can I

2569
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:09,240
Speaker 4: take a selfie this whole thing?

2570
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 3: He's like talking to me about PU and Cash twenty

2571
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 3: two and like just on the random road in Nashville, Tennessee,

2572
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 3: mais night and the fan of the show just pops

2573
01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 3: out of the uber that I was getting in, Like

2574
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 3: what are the odds of like that whole thing happening?

2575
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 3: So a ton of Patriots fans down in Nashville.

2576
01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:32,160
Speaker 5: When he goes to share that story with someone, and

2577
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:34,720
Speaker 5: it's kind of probably hard for like his mom or

2578
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 5: dad or girlfriend to like appreciate like who.

2579
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:39,280
Speaker 1: Evan Lai, Yeah, who?

2580
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't listen to I mean I met, No,

2581
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 4: I agree.

2582
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 5: Don't saying the same thing for me, like you know,

2583
01:57:46,120 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 5: like saying like any of us like who I mean, Paul,

2584
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 5: you're on the radio. I mean you're you know, you

2585
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,000
Speaker 5: have your shows, but I mean those are you know,

2586
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 5: some of these guys we're kind of.

2587
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 4: Like, we're kind of a niche.

2588
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:54,720
Speaker 6: You know.

2589
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 4: That was as many.

2590
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 3: That was as many Patriots fans at a road game

2591
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:01,240
Speaker 3: that I have maybe se since I started working for

2592
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:03,920
Speaker 3: the team. I mean we were coming to get on

2593
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 3: the bus after the game and it was loud like

2594
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 3: air was There had to have been, you know, hundreds

2595
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:11,880
Speaker 3: at least fans like, you know, on the other side

2596
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 3: of the fences.

2597
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:15,959
Speaker 4: Like yeah, you know, good and screaming good turnout.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's going to be it for this edition

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Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfiltered. We've got Catch twenty two tomorrow at ten. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you and Barth live pants off pants on.

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Speaker 4: I hope the pants stay on.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well you're behind the desk, no one would know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. To wrap up a little earlier, fre

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Speaker 4: it's not happy waiting a Yeah, we've been better about

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Speaker 4: that on it.

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Speaker 2: We sent out a memo and they did and they

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Speaker 2: sure did strongly. All right, thanks for listening today. I

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Speaker 2: know we only got to a fraction of the emails

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Speaker 2: but appreciate all of them. We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Also, make sure you follow.

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Speaker 14: Us on the New England Patriots YouTube channel to see

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Speaker 14: this show and everything else we do here at the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: Thanks a lot,