Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have a
Speaker 1: very special TV host, entrepreneur podcaster that Beach exactly very
Speaker 1: special guests I do.
Speaker 2: We just have to end up bleeping them out for sol.
Speaker 2: Do you believe about your social talk?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Sorry, well I heard it. It messes with the algorithms.
Speaker 2: Oh that's probably true.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why we haven't.
Speaker 1: Weezy is from Horrible Decisions. She also has a TV
Speaker 1: show called Sex Cells, and she.
Speaker 2: Is an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: She owns podcast recording studios in New York. And am
Speaker 1: I missing a market?
Speaker 3: Not yet? If you recorded me in two months, you would.
Speaker 1: Be okay hopefully, Alana and I real know, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but I'm really excited to have Weezy. I met you
Speaker 1: probably over a year ago, and literally like, I just
Speaker 1: I love everything you're about and I plan to take notes.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but what do you have us eating as
Speaker 2: your broke dish today?
Speaker 3: Well, my broke dish today is gourmet maca cheese because
Speaker 3: I feel like, well, gourmet meat and macajeese because I
Speaker 3: don't like to say hot dogs. It sounds cheap, and
Speaker 3: the meal is cheap, But like when broke, I was like,
Speaker 3: I need to feel full fast, and I always thought
Speaker 3: that was like a protein and carbs, and so hot
Speaker 3: dogs and macaroni and cheese like the easiest thing, even
Speaker 3: though by itself, I feel like it tastes like shit.
Speaker 3: So I just tried to dress it up what I had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1: I saw these extra ingredients, and I didn't know which
Speaker 1: direction your meal was going. So for our listeners, can
Speaker 1: you say what is in.
Speaker 2: The gourmet mecha cheese?
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be real with you. Allive oil is
Speaker 3: very expensive when your rope like this is what eight
Speaker 3: dollars for this? Maybe ten?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I would use criscal but virgin olive oil. Lorry,
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say his name, but Tony Shiericus,
Speaker 3: I just call it Tony seasoning, Tony creole. So we
Speaker 3: have the mixing bowls. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Oh I thought you were gonna drain the mac and
Speaker 2: cheese water.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't even have a bad I didn't
Speaker 3: have a what's it called. I would take the top,
Speaker 3: pour it out.
Speaker 1: Okay, we usually do that on the show. By the way,
Speaker 1: this is just a fruit strainer.
Speaker 2: But go on, what's the ingredients?
Speaker 3: I like Nathan's. I'm not sure why. Hebrew National wasn't
Speaker 3: my thing, but Nathan's was like the skinny ones. Like Nathan's,
Speaker 3: We've got the cutting board of the knife so that
Speaker 3: you can slice up the hot dogs, onions, butter, and milk.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Now it's funny because I've done mac and cheese before.
Speaker 1: In my greatest accomplishment was adding tuna to the mac
Speaker 1: and cheese. Okay, but I am excited because there's so much.
Speaker 3: Don't go together. So I think it's the loster mac
Speaker 3: and cheese and that's it.
Speaker 2: Hey, I was broke. I didn't. I don't even know there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: But but no, I'm excited because this is my first
Speaker 1: time ever in the history of living on this earth
Speaker 1: having gourmet mac and cheese.
Speaker 2: And it's really cool.
Speaker 3: You know what I actually put in myra?
Speaker 2: Look you getting all hyped into it? What what?
Speaker 3: Okay? Now that I'm getting money when I make Gromet
Speaker 3: mac and cheese for overall, I put like five different
Speaker 3: type of cheeses in it, and I put a little
Speaker 3: bit of beer whenever I Yes, I can't remember where
Speaker 3: I learned about the beer from. But it's something about
Speaker 3: the yeast and the beer. Oh my god, you can
Speaker 3: taste it. It's so good. Beer costs extra money, so
Speaker 3: I felt like I shouldn't added that.
Speaker 1: No, no, but that's your But you now that you
Speaker 1: make money, you actually.
Speaker 2: Do to a still a twist on gormet maca cheer.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're hilarious. My mom hates it. She's like,
Speaker 3: this is so ridiculous because every Thanksgiving we have hers,
Speaker 3: which is classic big mac burn at the top, and
Speaker 3: then mine is the bougie back.
Speaker 2: And you're mixed, right, So is your mom black?
Speaker 3: My mom is black and my dad's is really okay,
Speaker 3: maybe it should be Hebrew national.
Speaker 2: You're hilarious.
Speaker 1: My dad is Jewish and my mom is Jamaican. So
Speaker 1: I have the same black and white mix because I
Speaker 1: never ever meet it where the mom is black and
Speaker 1: the dad is white. Whenever I see someone like that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, that's crazy, all right.
Speaker 3: You always see the other people was like, you're like
Speaker 3: black and Jewish, You're like Drake.
Speaker 1: Well, it used to be Lenny was the big thing
Speaker 1: back in the day. People don't know nothing, You not
Speaker 1: these young kids. But all right, weezy. So I am
Speaker 1: dying to try this gourmet mac.
Speaker 3: So come away. It's not gonna be good. Why you
Speaker 3: say that, because think about the stuff we eat today.
Speaker 3: I mean, you eat shitty meals all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh let me tell you. I'm getting to the point
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna start rating it. And I've been because
Speaker 1: I've been pretty nice. Someone made tuna castrole.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get me caught up. But this it was.
Speaker 1: Literally it's tuna castrole and the pickled egg is the
Speaker 1: worst dish for me on the on the shell.
Speaker 2: If people said the worst pickled eg? Have you had
Speaker 2: a pickled egg?
Speaker 3: I thought castroles are for Caucasians. And this is the
Speaker 3: Black Blact Network. It was.
Speaker 1: It was two black sisters that owned a all black
Speaker 1: owned store that carries all black owned and they made
Speaker 1: a tuna castrole and it was absolutely that's terrible.
Speaker 3: Putting the olive oil in the pan for the onions
Speaker 3: because I like it to.
Speaker 2: Caramel lote, okay, okay, But.
Speaker 3: Also I'm gonna boil the hot dogs, start boiling the macacheese.
Speaker 3: And while that's boiling, that's where I'd just be trying
Speaker 3: to get the flavor with the onions, and shit tastes
Speaker 3: like extra.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just learned the other day that some people seasoned
Speaker 2: the onions. Are you one of those people?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Am I Karen? Now it was it was a black girl. Damn,
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's what I'm saying. I expect her
Speaker 3: to be black.
Speaker 2: You you said you're a carot. You want to know.
Speaker 3: Something that's just too black? My mom, every time she
Speaker 3: watches my dog, won't feed the dog dog food. It's
Speaker 3: only like chicken, right, And I was like, Mom, why
Speaker 3: is that chicken color different? Oh well, it has a
Speaker 3: little garlic powder and just a little season on it.
Speaker 2: She seas in the dog's foods there's too bland, no way.
Speaker 3: And every time I got the dog be peen out
Speaker 3: of its ask. Actually, there's a very special day and
Speaker 3: week for me. By the way, my parents, I moved
Speaker 3: them to LA so they're flying tonight.
Speaker 2: You moved them.
Speaker 3: They live in Orlando, so literally I'm New York Orlando, LA.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I can't do this triangle. It's
Speaker 3: got to be one back and forth, okay. So I
Speaker 3: just wanted them closer to me, so that that to
Speaker 3: me was like a big life goal that's summer Orlando.
Speaker 1: First of all, that's a yeah, cause it would have
Speaker 1: been cheaper to move from LA to Orlando.
Speaker 2: You moved them to a more expensive market.
Speaker 3: I want them to be closer to me. This is
Speaker 3: where all my work is happening. And like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: Orlando's where I'm from. So it was Honda Go on
Speaker 3: my birthday this year. I went to suspend it with
Speaker 3: my father. My dad, he's in a wheelchair, so it's
Speaker 3: a lot more difficult for him to visit me like
Speaker 3: my mom does. People probably see my mom all over
Speaker 3: my content. But my dad was like, damn, I wish
Speaker 3: I could watch TV with you all the time. I
Speaker 3: wish we could have these moments together, Like I wish
Speaker 3: I could be in LA with you and your mom.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, shit, you guys could be there,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I mean to me, it's crazy to
Speaker 3: make this meal today. I actually walked by a T
Speaker 3: Mobile store, which was my last job, to walk by
Speaker 3: a T Mobile store making the meal. I made it
Speaker 3: when I was broken. I'm literally able to afford to
Speaker 3: move my parents here, but who knows, maybe they gonna
Speaker 3: spend so much money I'm gonna have to eat this
Speaker 3: shit again.
Speaker 1: No, no, but you're making like really big moves.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about having this conversation with you because
Speaker 1: knowing that you came from Brokeness and seeing like you're
Speaker 1: making like chess moves like effortlessly. So when I say like,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling out the pen like, I've been working for
Speaker 1: myself for a long time, but I definitely don't make
Speaker 1: the type of money that I need to make. I'm
Speaker 1: still in the Jamaican like two thousand here, five thousand here,
Speaker 1: three thousand here equals twelve thousand. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm not at the point where I'm playing chess.
Speaker 1: So I'm literally excited about this episode because we're all
Speaker 1: about to get took to.
Speaker 2: School, you, I hope. So yeah, So I hope.
Speaker 1: I do the due deal with just tell us what
Speaker 1: was going on when you were making Gourmet mac and Cheese,
Speaker 1: the original, So I'll.
Speaker 3: Tell you this, coming from Brokeness was.
Speaker 1: Something that I thought you were gonna put the sorry.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to do the smaller pan
Speaker 1: for the hot dogs, and I had your pan for.
Speaker 3: That want of them first.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they you're gonna boil him in
Speaker 2: the mac and cheese.
Speaker 3: This is the maca cheese potting.
Speaker 2: No, it was the other because that pot small. I
Speaker 2: love you.
Speaker 1: I'm making my own okay, I'm staying out of the kitchen.
Speaker 3: Said you're gonna take.
Speaker 1: Just so you know, every time I get involved in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, I burned someone's dish. So I need to
Speaker 1: stay in my life, okay, okay, mae, yeah, because I've
Speaker 1: been burning stuff on people's own meals, all right, So
Speaker 1: so tell me what was going on.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 3: So I actually grew up with money and there was
Speaker 3: a stock market crash that happened that lost my parents
Speaker 3: some money, and then my dad ended up having a
Speaker 3: stroke that kept him out of work. And so after that,
Speaker 3: I ended up dating a guy. It was just like
Speaker 3: rich boyfriend that was paying for my school and then
Speaker 3: he was very abusive. Broke up with him and then
Speaker 3: that stopped. My parents couldn't really afford to college. I
Speaker 3: had to help them out because my dad had this stroke.
Speaker 3: So started working at the mall, White House black market
Speaker 3: clothing stores like a hand tailor.
Speaker 2: Bike yeah, yeah, a little bit high play, yeah, high class.
Speaker 3: That's my first I did, did you steal anything from them?
Speaker 3: Like a few things? Okay, good, good, But then I
Speaker 3: realized once I had to stop, I wasn't like stealing
Speaker 3: for real, for real, Okay, it was just a little shit.
Speaker 3: And then one day I wore something to work and
Speaker 3: she was like, I didn't know you got that dress,
Speaker 3: and I was like, ah. The craziest thing was I
Speaker 3: went to jail and ended up having it was for
Speaker 3: my license. Everybody thinks it was something worse. It was
Speaker 3: for my license, and I had a GPS monitor on
Speaker 3: my foot, and so I had to always wear Maxi
Speaker 3: dresses to work, or like super big boots.
Speaker 2: To cover you got one of those ankle monitors.
Speaker 3: Yes, no way, all working at my house like market.
Speaker 3: It was terrible. So then I think I was helping
Speaker 3: a woman that worked at a T mobile store and
Speaker 3: I was selling her mad shit. She's like, you're really
Speaker 3: good at sales. How much she's making here. I don't
Speaker 3: remember what it was, fucking ten dollars an hour, but
Speaker 3: my commission would be good, so it'd be up to
Speaker 3: twenty or thirty. And she was like, I can make
Speaker 3: you double a tea mobile with the way you saw.
Speaker 3: Oh now, I knew nothing about cel phone. She's like,
Speaker 3: you don't have to just have to be cute. It's
Speaker 3: funny because I went on a date the other day,
Speaker 3: this nigga said, you look like a bitch. She used
Speaker 3: to work its emobile. I used to tie my little
Speaker 3: shirt up like this and be like, what kind of
Speaker 3: on y'all want? I was gonna sell it to all
Speaker 3: the top niggas, the prepaid lines in the box because
Speaker 3: you weren't supposed to legally sell them a new number
Speaker 3: every month. Oh, so niggas would come in. I just
Speaker 3: fucking keeps wiping the shit whatever. So ended up being
Speaker 3: so good at T mobile selling shit. I think my
Speaker 3: first year working there, I was like twenty two twenty three.
Speaker 3: I made like ninety thousand dollars. Get the heck out crazy.
Speaker 3: They don't pay it over that way no more. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but like I was selling selling something. The iPhone was
Speaker 3: hot back then, and it just came out and literally
Speaker 3: was fucking flying to Europe, just like experiencing life. Living
Speaker 3: life still had a shitty car with windows, didn't go down,
Speaker 3: But I just spent all my money and experiences, and
Speaker 3: what I realized from those experiences, like, oh, I got
Speaker 3: to get more and more and more. Every time you
Speaker 3: taste a little bit of luxury, now you need more
Speaker 3: and more and more, you know. So from there, ended
Speaker 3: up training T Mobile staff in Florida. Then I ended
Speaker 3: up managing a store, and then they moved me to
Speaker 3: New York to work in corporate. And now not saying
Speaker 3: I couldn't have made it to New York alone, but
Speaker 3: I did have a sugar daddy then.
Speaker 1: Okay, And so he was like a legit sugar daddy,
Speaker 1: like what you envisioned in the movies, Like he wasn't
Speaker 1: that hot, and he had paper.
Speaker 3: Oh he paper, Oh yeah, like some bitches have a
Speaker 3: sugar daddy. I I he had a.
Speaker 2: Plane, he had he had a plane.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh he was like legit okay, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: He was so rich. And I met him working in
Speaker 3: mother fucking T Mobile. He came in, he had like
Speaker 3: three hundred lines for his company and he was like,
Speaker 3: I'm with Rise and Da Da Da, but his daughter
Speaker 3: wanted something that was only a T mobile. I was like,
Speaker 3: why don't you move your lines over? And he's like, honey,
Speaker 3: I don't do T Mobile Like this is that's very
Speaker 3: so I think I saved him like twenty five grand
Speaker 3: a month, and he said he was gonna give me
Speaker 3: a gift and I told him. He's like, what are
Speaker 3: you doing this week? I was like, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: see Beyonce Miami. He was the Formation tour.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: He's like, how are you gonna get there? I'm like
Speaker 3: gonna drive my friends. She's like, take my jet, and
Speaker 3: I remember my friend's like, oh I got you gotta
Speaker 3: suck that owd man. We got on that jet and
Speaker 3: it was like, bitch'll suck a thick cot And so
Speaker 3: that was like my first entry into whole ho ho
Speaker 3: sheit okay, okay, got me this insane apartment in New York.
Speaker 2: It was like, wait, he was doing that too.
Speaker 3: Oh you're saying. When he knew I was gonna leave Orlando,
Speaker 3: He's like, sweetie, I can't have you leave me. I
Speaker 3: was thinking about getting a place in New York. Anyway.
Speaker 3: He's like, where were you gonna move? I was like Manhattan.
Speaker 3: He goes that means Harlem, which was true. So I
Speaker 3: was Midtown fifty fourth and eighth. And it's so funny
Speaker 3: because my mom came to visit me and the address
Speaker 3: was two sixty West fifty fourth or two sixty spy.
Speaker 3: My mom got to my apartment, she goes, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's Tudio fifty four is right there. She's like, that's
Speaker 3: where I was going, That's where I was meeting these
Speaker 3: rich guys. You're turning into me. She was so proud
Speaker 3: of me, And I think, what's funny is my mom
Speaker 3: always wanted me to.
Speaker 1: Be such a good personality. Couldn't wear your personality?
Speaker 3: Okay, my mom always wanted me to be with a
Speaker 3: always wanted me to be taken care of. And like,
Speaker 3: it's so crazy because now I'm the rich guy, you know,
Speaker 3: And I don't think she expected it, but it's just amazing.
Speaker 3: Like I never thought i'd get here. I always kind
Speaker 3: of thought and she would say to me, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get married, You're gonna have a big house, and you're
Speaker 3: gonna move me and your dad in the guest house.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be so great. And like literally I'm moving
Speaker 3: them into a place down the street from me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, without an e.
Speaker 1: But how does it not that I also say that
Speaker 1: now you're the rich guy, Like when you do you
Speaker 1: this obviously is in the first time you said it
Speaker 1: is it when did you have the epiphany that you.
Speaker 2: Were the rich guy? I damn, that's a good feeling.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to have that feeling.
Speaker 3: It was, It wasn't the first time I felt that was.
Speaker 3: I was in Paris with my mom and I took
Speaker 3: her for a birthday and I wanted to fly her
Speaker 3: first class, but I use like an upgrade to getting
Speaker 3: points then, you know, because like first class, I'd be
Speaker 3: like ten fifteen thousand for them. Lay down. And when
Speaker 3: we got there, we get to the hotel and it
Speaker 3: was really nice, and she's like, oh, what's our room? Like, oh,
Speaker 3: are we have two separate rooms? And every little thing
Speaker 3: my mom was starting to count in her head, like
Speaker 3: how much was my daughter making?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, we.
Speaker 3: Got our own rooms. Okay. Then we go to the store.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you want something, I'll just get a lipstick.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, Mom, you can get more. You can
Speaker 3: get a bag.
Speaker 2: Your mom was like, what the break is happening?
Speaker 3: She was bugging out. And then we walk outside of
Speaker 3: the protest store and there's a hotel very famous called
Speaker 3: the Plaza A. My mom was telling me how princes
Speaker 3: would take her to dinner there. When she was young
Speaker 3: and she would meet all these guys when she was
Speaker 3: traveling in Europe and this was like the place to go.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, do you want to have dinner there?
Speaker 3: And that was when like it hit my mom. She
Speaker 3: got really emotional and she's like, I cannot fucking believe
Speaker 3: I'm doing this with you. My mom is seventy seventieth
Speaker 3: birthday at the time.
Speaker 2: Oh, you said stay out the lane, so I'm staying.
Speaker 2: I'm watching it.
Speaker 3: I get cooked for.
Speaker 2: Her now, Yo. You ain't been in the kitchen in
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 3: I cooked this morning.
Speaker 2: Yo, I'm sorry you told me that. You told me
Speaker 2: to stay out the kitchen, and.
Speaker 1: We almost about to burn down the whole even know
Speaker 1: if you don't on there to be on the wood part.
Speaker 3: No, I can't. I was looking for another conterract. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll move it to this one the ale I tried to.
Speaker 2: I love it, No, but it was.
Speaker 3: It was beautiful because my mom really was just so
Speaker 3: excited for me, so proud of me. I do remember,
Speaker 3: you know, we still niggas at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: Like we sitting here with these fucking Louis bags and
Speaker 3: all these expensive shopping bags and literally, my mom orders
Speaker 3: a drink. She looks at me and she said, oh shit,
Speaker 3: that was forty three dollars. She was let me sip slow.
Speaker 3: But it's really great because for me, like I don't
Speaker 3: have kids yet, so like spoiling my parents just it's
Speaker 3: like dream come true. Shit for me.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine.
Speaker 3: I really really have wanted this for myself my life,
Speaker 3: and like I love doing it for my mom. My
Speaker 3: mom thinks I'm Beyonce. Like if we walk into a
Speaker 3: place and can't get in, like you don't know how
Speaker 3: my daughter is called Charlemagne. It's just my mom is
Speaker 3: like my daughter's on TV and they're like, really, what anfuse?
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I feel really proud to do that.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and they come tonight. This is a big
Speaker 1: freaking deal.
Speaker 3: She's gonna get her nerves well.
Speaker 2: And luckily you moved it right down the street.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 3: My mom wanted to get rid of her car. She
Speaker 3: was like, I think I'm getting old. She had a
Speaker 3: little moment. We were looking for her apartment and she
Speaker 3: saw me parallel park. She started crying. I'm like, what's
Speaker 3: wrong with you? She's like, I'm older than I thought.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can do this shit. I
Speaker 3: got to get rid of my car, like I'm an
Speaker 3: old lady. What if I hit somebody? Thought? And so
Speaker 3: we sold her car. And I'm a little nervous because
Speaker 3: you know, parents don't want to give up too much
Speaker 3: of their autonomy. They need to be able to do
Speaker 3: shit for themselves. So you know, I hope she can't
Speaker 3: moved her in a walkable neighborhood. She'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then now are they still together? So he's
Speaker 1: when does your dad comes?
Speaker 3: So my dad comes in tonight. He's just like as
Speaker 3: a hospital visit, and it's a little more extensive when
Speaker 3: someone's like fully in a wheelchair. So I wanted my
Speaker 3: mom to have a few days to herself. I'll take
Speaker 3: care of my dad and then you know, okay, she's
Speaker 3: moved and a lot of shit they've lived.
Speaker 2: There forever, Okay, Okay, So yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about go back to your broke story, okay,
Speaker 1: because I want to know how this elevation because it
Speaker 1: seems like somewhere around your elevation that was like a
Speaker 1: speed track.
Speaker 3: So the broke miss the brokest I think i'd been
Speaker 3: was when I left the abusive X, right, he only
Speaker 3: let me keep barely the clothes that I had that
Speaker 3: I had when I like got with him.
Speaker 2: Are we talking like emotional or physical abuse?
Speaker 3: Physical and emotional? He was crazy. I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: know how dark you can get on the show. But like,
Speaker 3: I didn't even know it was bad because I just
Speaker 3: kind of thought when a man is paying for things
Speaker 3: for you, like you deal with a little bit of something, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so to me, if you never close your fist,
Speaker 3: I thought that was fine. I never realized how the
Speaker 3: steps of you know, physical violence can be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when I left him, he didn't give me anything.
Speaker 3: It was really tough. I mean, mind you, I went
Speaker 3: from when I was a kid having a driver drive
Speaker 3: me to school that's how my parents were, to like
Speaker 3: literally figuring out what I was gonna do with the
Speaker 3: last pot holes, right, So it was really tough. And
Speaker 3: I couldn't ask my parents for anything, didn't want to
Speaker 3: tell them how bad it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so when I moved, he didn't want
Speaker 1: to tell them because they were already struggling.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then I can't imagine how my mom would feel.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh my god, was like excited about you
Speaker 3: having this rich boyfriend? Yeah, oh yeah, you know. So
Speaker 3: ended up finding a place I think it was seven
Speaker 3: hundred a month, split the rent with a homegirls, a
Speaker 3: two bedroom in Orlando. He was right by Walmart, thank god,
Speaker 3: because that's where I was buying all the fucking hot dogs,
Speaker 3: the mac and cheese. Wrong, but my number one broke
Speaker 3: thing I would do. So I used to hang with
Speaker 3: all the trap news because hello, that was my jam okay,
Speaker 3: and I'm from Florida, right, so like southern culture, big
Speaker 3: car shows, HBC's like it was just fun and basically
Speaker 3: what I would do if they were going to like
Speaker 3: buy a bottle or a table in the club, I
Speaker 3: would see if I had like maybe thirty dollars to
Speaker 3: my account so that it would overdraft, I'd have them
Speaker 3: give me the cash. And that was like my payday
Speaker 3: loan to myself.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, hold that You are like really in deep
Speaker 1: when you think of that strategy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: My roommate and I at the time. I remember we
Speaker 3: both got paid on different weeks. So there was a
Speaker 3: Thursday and we both got paid that or I got
Speaker 3: paid that Friday. I was like, damn, we don't have
Speaker 3: detergent left, but we want to go to the club.
Speaker 3: We had like twenty bucks. She was like, okay, we
Speaker 3: get vodka or detergent, and we got vodka. Okay, we
Speaker 3: use some body washing like clean shit. In the same
Speaker 3: we were like, we got to go out and meet
Speaker 3: niggas to make more money. And it's crazy that, like
Speaker 3: that was what I thought being able to have success.
Speaker 3: Look like I got to meet a rich guy, I
Speaker 3: got a date a basketball player, this fi or that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which a lot of women still think they need to
Speaker 3: do today.
Speaker 1: I want to subscribe. I'm gonna say it openly. I
Speaker 1: want to subscribe to the rich nigga club because I
Speaker 1: do the opposite. I'm like, are you broken, homeless? Let
Speaker 1: me help you. I can graduate you to the next week.
Speaker 1: Oh no, trust me, you don't want to get in
Speaker 1: that game. You know what the problem is because they'll
Speaker 1: turn around to look at you and be like, I
Speaker 1: know I'm homeless, but.
Speaker 3: Oh no, my life, I think I'm better than you.
Speaker 3: The problem is, like I think now, a lot of
Speaker 3: the dudes are in my industry right, so like the
Speaker 3: people that I'm working amongst, I can't be out here
Speaker 3: like trying to fuck with these niggas for bread like
Speaker 3: I used to. Don't get me wrong, I would still
Speaker 3: want Toby, but like for real, like you know, it's
Speaker 3: like they'll know me from somewhere. I've seen me on something,
Speaker 3: so I don't want to be a bird. Then I
Speaker 3: just end up, you know, a bird with these niggas.
Speaker 1: But whatever, I'll tell you right now, I am learning
Speaker 1: and I am done. So you know, if you ever
Speaker 1: find a rich one, you can always slide on. Heyko,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, because I've actually I've never actually dated
Speaker 1: a rich dude.
Speaker 3: My damnsel in distress thing all the time was just
Speaker 3: like I just really want to be able to like
Speaker 3: out my you know, home parents, And it was true.
Speaker 3: I was like, so, I'm just like working really hard
Speaker 3: and I can't ut work college. But just like I'm
Speaker 3: really smart. I read a lot. I was always like
Speaker 3: doing a fucking sob story, which I'll tell you what,
Speaker 3: my sugar daddy. A lot of the things that I
Speaker 3: think helped me now are the stock tips and investment
Speaker 3: tips I got for my sugar daddy.
Speaker 1: But didn't didn't you say, were your parents in stock markets?
Speaker 1: Too though it crash okay, So you didn't want to
Speaker 1: take tips from them, were you?
Speaker 2: Like No?
Speaker 3: But you know, with him, particularly my sugar daddy, I
Speaker 3: remember he would get up at four o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: five o'clock in the morning and watch the market, to
Speaker 3: watch the markets in China wherever, just international stocks four
Speaker 3: x right, things like that, and it never made me
Speaker 3: want his money. I always wanted to be him. I
Speaker 3: always wanted to be that person that just had this, this, this,
Speaker 3: this and that to me that was so attractive about him.
Speaker 3: People used to always ask me how I could fuck
Speaker 3: him and shit like that, and I was like, bro,
Speaker 3: you don't know how rich the person is. You don't
Speaker 3: know how how much that drives me. The ambition that
Speaker 3: made him sexier and sexier. So one day I eventually
Speaker 3: just asked him like, hey, I really want to learn
Speaker 3: the stock market, but like, you know, what, can I
Speaker 3: put like five hundred dollars in? And he's like, that's
Speaker 3: not a start. I'll give you ten thousand dollars if
Speaker 3: you can make it grow. I forgot the timeframe. He said,
Speaker 3: I'll reward you with another ten and he did wow,
Speaker 3: And I kept growing it and growing it. I think
Speaker 3: at the time I even put the money in T
Speaker 3: Mobile think it opened, became a publicly traded company when
Speaker 3: I worked there, became publicly traded and then it was
Speaker 3: six dollars and then they went up to like thirty
Speaker 3: and I probably get.
Speaker 5: A lot of money.
Speaker 1: So when you were doing the podcast, and this is
Speaker 1: before I want to say, before everybody was on podcasting correct,
Speaker 1: seven years ago? Yeah, I mean it was like before
Speaker 1: the New wave or were you guys early in.
Speaker 3: We were very early, and like people were very really
Speaker 3: doing video, I think for popular podcasts, just for scale.
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you're mixing water and oil and
Speaker 1: you're not getting burns.
Speaker 3: I'm standing away. I'm trying to like I didn't have
Speaker 3: a grill, okay, but I'm trying to get that real plate.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Okay, gourmet continue.
Speaker 2: I don't want to derail you.
Speaker 3: This is fucking me up. This is hard. I can't
Speaker 3: even listen to music when I cook one.
Speaker 1: You would be surprised how many people will at the
Speaker 1: after each interview, they'll be like yo, cooking and talking
Speaker 1: at the same time.
Speaker 2: Really really difficult because.
Speaker 3: You're like knowing that you have to engage, like that's
Speaker 3: what's making it.
Speaker 2: And you have to like tell your story the entire time.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm about to start telling you some lies.
Speaker 1: No no, So so your sugar baby is sugar babe,
Speaker 1: sugar daddy, so that would make you the sugar baby, right,
Speaker 1: sugar baby. Okay, okay, I'm going to be a sugar baby.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a shirt Baisy Bros.
Speaker 3: Every time I was out with him, I would take
Speaker 3: him to like fucking any and this when I just
Speaker 3: moved to New York. Catch just just came out at
Speaker 3: the time, and SGK was super popular. I remember all
Speaker 3: them niggas if you be looking at me with him,
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, come on, babe. Also just turned
Speaker 3: on knowing that he had to fuck me for money,
Speaker 3: uh huh, which is terrible, but I was okay, it
Speaker 3: was sexy to me, like especially when I remember he
Speaker 3: would be like, you want to get some clothes and
Speaker 3: I would always want to get a little Nike askict
Speaker 3: to ship you know many all the niggas of you
Speaker 3: in Yeah, he's my daddy, but so anyway, start horrible decisions.
Speaker 1: But I like how you were actually inspired by his
Speaker 1: moves versus well, I don't want to say I like,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting that you were inspired by him being
Speaker 1: successful to be even more successful, and you you took
Speaker 1: the initiative to even say, hey, I want to learn
Speaker 1: what you're doing and do it on my own, which
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 3: It's like I always wanted this sex in the city
Speaker 3: life mm hmm, but I never felt like any of
Speaker 3: them needed men to live that life. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: I wanted to have the girlfriends that I was wearing
Speaker 3: an amazing designer with and fucking enjoying fashion show and
Speaker 3: doing this shit. But I knew if I was tied
Speaker 3: to a man, I wouldn't have that freedom. And I
Speaker 3: had also experienced my first relationship a man with money
Speaker 3: and abuse, so I was like, I have to have
Speaker 3: it on my own. I can't be down again. And
Speaker 3: you know, I hate to say it like this, but
Speaker 3: my mom was a housewife her whole life. And what
Speaker 3: happened to my parents with losing their I mean their
Speaker 3: house got four clothes on right, the home that I
Speaker 3: SETI grew up in. It's like it was tough to
Speaker 3: watch them go through that. And I think about two
Speaker 3: incomes or just diversifying shit what that would have meant.
Speaker 3: So that really fueled me a lot. And it's tough
Speaker 3: for my mom to hear that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why have you had those sidebar conversations?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely, But it's not easy. Like my mom
Speaker 3: is so amazing, but there's moments where she's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I never taught you to go out there
Speaker 3: and do it alone.
Speaker 2: But look at you.
Speaker 3: In a way, you're you know, well I made money
Speaker 3: off of person.
Speaker 2: Well you make money because you're a gangster entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: That's really it. I mean the personality. I mean, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the personality is just like the cherry on
Speaker 1: the cake.
Speaker 3: But you know what, I'm a feller at heart. And
Speaker 3: my father that's what he did growing up. He owned
Speaker 3: like camera stores and like you know the little row
Speaker 3: like stores back in the day they'd have where they
Speaker 3: were selling electronic these shops. That was my dad's like
Speaker 3: line of work. Okay, And when I was growing up,
Speaker 3: I mean this shit, that's what I started selling clothes
Speaker 3: T mobile by then then, like literally everything about it
Speaker 3: felt like selling to me. You know, Like it's interesting
Speaker 3: the way Mandy and I have kind of done our business.
Speaker 3: I always felt like she has really helped us so
Speaker 3: much when it comes in terms of our finances.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: She had a financial background, and even though I came
Speaker 3: from the tech world, was selling like I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: the first person when we're on a call that's like
Speaker 3: I want to do it for this much, this or that.
Speaker 3: And like I loved that. We've been able to play
Speaker 3: up both of our corporate roles in that. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I've got a lot of seller blood in me. My
Speaker 3: partner Alex now with WTF Media Studios. Anytime we have
Speaker 3: a big deal or he sees someone's budget, he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you have to sell them on the phone. You have
Speaker 3: to tell them why. And I really enjoy it. It makes
Speaker 3: me feel like I still got it a little bit.
Speaker 1: I I always say this that I think I used
Speaker 1: to always say. When I have a child, I want
Speaker 1: to teach her how to read, I want to teach
Speaker 1: her financial literacy, I want to teach her about God.
Speaker 1: But the number one skill that she has to have
Speaker 1: before she graduates high school is the ability to sell.
Speaker 2: Because I think it is the most underrated skill.
Speaker 1: And if you're going to go work for yourself, the
Speaker 1: number one thing you're gonna have to do is sell
Speaker 1: a product, sell yourself. And so I don't buy anything, yep.
Speaker 1: And I remember when I had my first company. I
Speaker 1: remember going to home deep or office depot and buying
Speaker 1: those little sale books and you know how well out
Speaker 1: the hair pulled back and all.
Speaker 2: This and whatever.
Speaker 1: But I knew right away that sales is the one skill.
Speaker 1: And I would listen to all these audio tapes too
Speaker 1: about like how people you know you're almost nervous getting
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting about selling too? I know Mandy and
Speaker 3: I had a conversation about this, Like, so I never
Speaker 3: finished college because I couldn't afford to finish it because
Speaker 3: I got out of that relationship, right, m I don't
Speaker 3: want it to splatter in all this equipment. I don't
Speaker 3: normally do it like this. But Mandy at the time
Speaker 3: coming off of two degrees working for this huge firm,
Speaker 3: and she was working more hours and not making as
Speaker 3: much as me in accounting at that time. I understand
Speaker 3: it was junior level. Yeah, but I think about that
Speaker 3: a lot, and I think about the money you can
Speaker 3: make from selling all the time, and I think about
Speaker 3: that instance of like, shit, maybe she's smarter than me.
Speaker 3: But why isn't she making it up? And it's because
Speaker 3: that particular skill really can't be taught real you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta practice it and practice it and practice
Speaker 1: it and practice it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I believe Mandy is greater than what was
Speaker 3: I going to say, you know, the job that she had,
Speaker 3: and that's why she's making way more and doing way
Speaker 3: more things now. But yeah, I mean it's definitely a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, with selling doing shit like that, had horrible
Speaker 3: decisions on the side, and it was really difficult to
Speaker 3: juggle both. And so about two years into doing horrible decisions,
Speaker 3: I quit. But it was mainly because I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, if I ever wanted to come back
Speaker 3: to this shit, I will, like I've been making jokes recently,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, me and fifteen years I'm
Speaker 3: probably gonna be a real estate agent.
Speaker 2: So why did you quit? Two years?
Speaker 3: In the trajectory of horrible was faster than the trajectory
Speaker 3: of corporate America. For example, how long do we work
Speaker 3: a corporate job? Right, so you want to get promoted?
Speaker 3: I worked for Teambile six years. I got to be
Speaker 3: a manager after year three and a half four, if
Speaker 3: there's a spot for you. So to me, I kind
Speaker 3: of just felt like this is moving faster than my
Speaker 3: rate in the corporate world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you said you quit horrible.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, quit my corporate.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, Oh because you were like two years
Speaker 1: in I quit horrible.
Speaker 2: No, you quit your corporate okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Got quit my corporate job after two years, and I
Speaker 3: legitimately felt like it was not gonna make me.
Speaker 1: But I have to ask before, how much were you making?
Speaker 1: It horrible to say, okay, not as you make it. Oh,
Speaker 1: you weren't making as much as T Mobile.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing, because a lot of people ask
Speaker 3: me when is the right time to quit a job,
Speaker 3: and I can only explain it like this, starting Team Mobile,
Speaker 3: I made ninety thousand, ending I was around one seventy five, okay, which.
Speaker 2: Is damn T Mobile, Go ahead, go on.
Speaker 3: It was like I was selling to companies that needed
Speaker 3: like Ethernet I gradual disaster recovery, like I graduated from phones.
Speaker 3: But basically this is what happens. So horrible decisions at
Speaker 3: that time that I quit may have been making me
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand, maybe one twenty five from touring mainly
Speaker 3: not even Patreon ad money, and.
Speaker 2: That's two years in. Yeah, geez, all right, go on.
Speaker 3: And I think the tour money because Mandy and I
Speaker 3: were buying out theaters. We brought out Carolines on Broadway.
Speaker 2: And you guys were physically doing it yourself.
Speaker 3: Splitting that money, paying ourselves back event bright type shit.
Speaker 3: But what I realized was like, oh, took me six
Speaker 3: years to make ninety to one to seventy year, took
Speaker 3: me two years from zero to one hundred. So next
Speaker 3: year I'm gonna make more. Yeah, let's just say I
Speaker 3: make another fifty. It's worth it. Not to mention I
Speaker 3: have more time on my hands. I could probably do
Speaker 3: more appearances and more tour dates, so it's time to quit.
Speaker 3: I also remember one moment it was brilliant idiots. If
Speaker 3: anyone watches that episode, I was literally wearing a suit
Speaker 3: like a blazer and a skirt, but Mandy and I
Speaker 3: had to like make an excuse to leave our jobs
Speaker 3: that day to go shoot with charl Mane and Andrew.
Speaker 3: So I think that it really will show you, like
Speaker 3: when you have to start saying no to things. Oh
Speaker 3: oh yeah, when you have to start saying no to
Speaker 3: things because of your day job. Yes, maybe that's when
Speaker 3: it's time, like when you're really getting booked like that,
Speaker 3: like TV appearances even like I remember we did Vice
Speaker 3: Live and I couldn't be there early for the rehearsal
Speaker 3: because of my job, And I was like, damn man,
Speaker 3: and anyone who's watching this who might be semi getting entertainment,
Speaker 3: whether you've got a TikTok or popular Instagram channel, you
Speaker 3: want to do a Horrible Decisions podcast and maybe get
Speaker 3: or even eating while robe. Who the fuck is gonna
Speaker 3: do this shit at six thirty seven o'clock at night, right,
Speaker 3: who's gonna do what? Like to have a guest? Yeah, entrepreneurs,
Speaker 3: Like all this shit gets filmed during the day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it's really tough to have a nine to five
Speaker 3: and pursue those entertainment dreams. And like that was why
Speaker 3: I was like, I got to figure the shit out.
Speaker 3: I think my biggest success in this industry came during
Speaker 3: the pandemic while pivoting. So made the TV show Sex Sells.
Speaker 3: It's about the business of sex, having money, making money
Speaker 3: from sex without having it. And I came up with
Speaker 3: that because that's how I make money, right, I just
Speaker 3: basically talk about sex covered all these adult industries and
Speaker 3: I'm not a TV star, and it ended up popping
Speaker 3: on cues and that's why I'm one.
Speaker 1: How did you did you package that yourself and then
Speaker 1: start selling it? Or did you package it and then
Speaker 1: started calling Charlemagne or different people you have relationship with
Speaker 1: and like, I have something that I need.
Speaker 3: That's what made me the most proud. I didn't need
Speaker 3: a co sign for that. Okay, I believe Horrible Decisions
Speaker 3: had the Charlemagne co sign, and that's what made a
Speaker 3: lot of people watch in the beginning. I do believe
Speaker 3: Charlemagne made our success faster. Don't believe we're successful because
Speaker 3: it happened faster. But what happened with Sex Sells was
Speaker 3: like I just had so much time during the pandemic
Speaker 3: to think, and I knew my two loves were fucking
Speaker 3: in money m hm, and so I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I should make the show. I want to
Speaker 3: humanize sex workers, and literally people don't talk about their
Speaker 3: sex lives on it, and a lot of people have
Speaker 3: said like, oh, it's like horrible Decisions on TV, but
Speaker 3: it's even.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like it. It sounds completely different because
Speaker 1: you're talking about this set, right.
Speaker 3: I'm an interview a lot of the guests we had
Speaker 3: so that I can, you know, show them some love
Speaker 3: and they've got real businesses promote them. But no, it's
Speaker 3: totally different and I love doing it. It makes me.
Speaker 3: It really brought me into the world of seeing how
Speaker 3: production works, the larger skill budgets and money.
Speaker 1: So, but you pitched it yourself, That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you went out there or did you have a
Speaker 1: manager that helped you?
Speaker 3: So it started slow. I didn't have a manager, never
Speaker 3: had an agent ever.
Speaker 2: Basically, oh still to this date.
Speaker 3: No, not personally, Damn, you're a gangster. I have a
Speaker 3: person that gives I give them a cut of my
Speaker 3: money if they do pr stuff for me, but if
Speaker 3: they get me a deal. But yeah, So basically, there
Speaker 3: was a guy that reached out to me months back
Speaker 3: before the pandemic was like, oh, do you want to
Speaker 3: do this type of show? I was like, no pandemic
Speaker 3: hits and I was like, you know what, I wonder
Speaker 3: what the fuck he's doing. It's like he making TV?
Speaker 3: Is TV being made? And we started talking about what
Speaker 3: it would look like if we worked together and came
Speaker 3: up with sex cells together. He worked at FEWS at
Speaker 3: the time. Help me package it, oh, help me make
Speaker 3: a bible. And we did it that way. But what
Speaker 3: I will tell anyone that has a good TV idea
Speaker 3: is people that work in development needs shows all the time.
Speaker 3: I currently run development for Kenya Barris at Audible. Right, okay,
Speaker 3: don't send me shit right now, I'm done with that.
Speaker 3: But like literally, I was wondering what shows we're gonna
Speaker 3: make for him, Like developers want to fucking know, and
Speaker 3: if you have good ideas, shooting pilots, making decks, having
Speaker 3: a bible, having the demographics of why it would be good,
Speaker 3: not just coming in their blank like hey, I'm not
Speaker 3: doing anything like I've been doing XYZ. Like if you
Speaker 3: hit up the Food Network, you'd have how much to
Speaker 3: show them? So real? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take notes. Remember how I said I'll take it.
Speaker 3: Notes, goge you did, But like here it is, here's
Speaker 3: my spread, and this is what I do with this
Speaker 3: type of budget. Imagine if you gave me fifty thousand
Speaker 3: an episode, I could be doing it on the load.
Speaker 3: I could be coming to their homes. I could be
Speaker 3: X y Z. Like, there's so many different ways for
Speaker 3: the things that we're making right now to make them
Speaker 3: next level. Yeah, and so I think that we just
Speaker 3: kind of have to use our network. Like my biggest
Speaker 3: thing with playing chess is making sure that I'm rubbing
Speaker 3: elbows with those that can one day need to use
Speaker 3: me for something I need.
Speaker 2: To use you. That's awesome, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because the thing is, I remember Charlotte, he said this
Speaker 3: about someone they were like. He was like, that person
Speaker 3: is such an opportunist, And I was like, I wonder
Speaker 3: if that's who I am. But really, I don't ask
Speaker 3: I let every single person know what the fuck I do.
Speaker 3: I just had a dinner where I sat down next
Speaker 3: to one of the most famous comedians in the world.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if this person can travel on
Speaker 3: a commercial plane, that's how famous they are, right. Wow.
Speaker 3: When they asked me what I do, didn't even say
Speaker 3: a podcast thing. I was like, I own a production
Speaker 3: studio in New York and La Black owned. We shoot
Speaker 3: podcasts mainly, but we also have a mobile team Boom.
Speaker 3: Now it's in your brain. Now you know what you
Speaker 3: can use me for, Like that's the job I felt
Speaker 3: like I needed to sell to that person at the time.
Speaker 3: When I talk to TV show, TV networks or people
Speaker 3: that work in Netflix or different things like that I host,
Speaker 3: I do this, I do that right, Like I want
Speaker 3: to make sure that I'm useful to people that I've
Speaker 3: rebed elros with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think your sales skills like shines through. I
Speaker 1: always say, like, sales is more about paying attention to
Speaker 1: what the customer wants, listening to them, and.
Speaker 2: Then catering to their needs.
Speaker 1: That's just trying to sell someone something that they don't
Speaker 1: want to buy. So even the way you're talking is
Speaker 1: like your sales skills are just really amazing. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that's how it is. You're supposed to sell. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to you know, if someone walks up to me right now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think about, you know, what it is they're
Speaker 1: gonna need or want from me.
Speaker 3: Correct. You know, that's a really good point because I
Speaker 3: didn't even think about me selling myself in that way,
Speaker 3: but like, damn it is.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: But now opportunists is different, because opportunists are I always
Speaker 1: say I want to be a business person, not a hustler,
Speaker 1: because I feel like a hustler is like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take advantage, someone's gonna get a short end of a stick.
Speaker 1: But a business person is like, we're all gonna win.
Speaker 1: You're gonna walk away with your piece of the pie.
Speaker 1: She's gonna walk away with her piece of pie, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk away with my piece, and no one
Speaker 1: feels to agreed.
Speaker 3: You can never make someone feel like they're doing you
Speaker 3: a favor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, Charlotte Mine was lucky and lucky enough to
Speaker 3: make horrible decisions with his rollout on Black Effect. I
Speaker 3: know there's eighty five South all the smoke, and I
Speaker 3: literally was thinking to myself the other day, Charla Mane
Speaker 3: is Charlot Mane, But horrible decisions was still good enough
Speaker 3: to where Black Effects was like, oh, we do need
Speaker 3: those numbers, but we sell to add people like I
Speaker 3: don't want to fucking suck anybody's dick to feel like,
Speaker 3: and I'm not talking about that instance, but just anyone like,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for giving this to you. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: when you know your value, Yeah yeah, we have to
Speaker 3: make sure that we're definitely pouring into ourselves in that way.
Speaker 3: But I mean shit. You know, I love fuse to death,
Speaker 3: but I also know my show brings number then and
Speaker 3: I know that's why they treat me well. They love
Speaker 3: me too, like we're definitely doing what we need to
Speaker 3: do for each other. Like I'm so happy to be
Speaker 3: on a network that you know I can be their
Speaker 3: most watch show. Like maybe if I was on an
Speaker 3: HBO or some Netflix, maybe I would just kind of
Speaker 3: go under the radar.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Maybe, I honestly don't think so.
Speaker 2: Thank you, I don't think so. I'm not even trying
Speaker 2: to be not Well, what was your hardest hurdle?
Speaker 1: I think it just to come to day because I
Speaker 1: feel like you have a lot of great pivots. But like,
Speaker 1: where was there a point where you were like I
Speaker 1: don't know, hmm, that you seriously like had that conversation off.
Speaker 2: I don't know, And it could have been my studio.
Speaker 3: Okay, my studio, which is the best thing I've ever done. Actually,
Speaker 3: my studio gave me the seal of approval to be
Speaker 3: bigger than just a podcaster, Like that was really when
Speaker 3: I became a businesswoman. No matter how hard Mandy and
Speaker 3: I have worked, I never felt like that and it's
Speaker 3: no shade to her. I don't know if it's because
Speaker 3: with women. I don't know if it's because we talk
Speaker 3: about sex, but like I had to do something else
Speaker 3: for myself to feel like I could be respected. And
Speaker 3: it really shows something about brick and mortar spaces to
Speaker 3: make people feel very like, oh, they're really doing something,
Speaker 3: which is weird. But it's also because I started getting
Speaker 3: other people money, Like.
Speaker 2: Thought, what was the hesitancy, Like where was that hesitancy at?
Speaker 3: Like where was that pain that investment? Right, my partner
Speaker 3: Alex shout out to him. We spent an insane amount
Speaker 3: of money on fucking equipment, which is why we have
Speaker 3: one of the best studios right, Like literally, I was like,
Speaker 3: how can we be charging people this little but like
Speaker 3: our equipment is so fucking expensive, like it doesn't add
Speaker 3: up or whatever. Yeah, and he was like, Yo, that's
Speaker 3: why everybody's gonna come with us, to know that the
Speaker 3: podcasters like us can be there and then the Charlottamanees
Speaker 3: of the world or whoever they may be. David Letterman wasn't.
Speaker 2: Our shit, Oh shit, right, Okay.
Speaker 3: He's like to know these people and okay, you can
Speaker 3: sit amongst them like we're gonna be for all of them,
Speaker 3: and that's really been our brand. I believe that's why
Speaker 3: we're growing. I mean, we get resumes like fucking crazy
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 1: So how long did it take when you so you
Speaker 1: made that initial investment. The by the way, you're cooking
Speaker 1: like we are in a rich restaurant.
Speaker 2: Because the point look at all the food.
Speaker 1: She made, and it's like, I feel like I'm about
Speaker 1: to eat an appetizer.
Speaker 2: Gormet.
Speaker 3: You try to make it look clean and minimally.
Speaker 1: When the cameras are off, I'm gonna just go in
Speaker 1: with a fork and just eat everything direct.
Speaker 2: I know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm starving and you gave me like an appetizer.
Speaker 3: It's fucking hot dogs.
Speaker 2: Girl.
Speaker 1: I want to see you sit down next to this
Speaker 1: mic and spend quality time with me.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's try this. It looks good but.
Speaker 5: Not bad.
Speaker 3: You look, there's the onions.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you didn't mix these in together.
Speaker 3: Funny enough, my co host talks about Haitian spaghetti and
Speaker 3: it's hot dogs in it. I never mixed the hot
Speaker 3: dogs a pasta. But this is kind of good.
Speaker 2: This ship is amazing. Did you mix it all on
Speaker 2: one for it.
Speaker 3: I'll put it together on I don't want to touch
Speaker 3: on the plate.
Speaker 2: For all y'all listeners. The hot dog and the onions smack.
Speaker 1: I definitely will mess with Nathan's just because I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe it tastes different or I just haven't had
Speaker 1: a hot dog in a while. But the freaking grilled
Speaker 1: onions and mac and cheese cheese is genius. Bro I
Speaker 1: don't know why I've never thought of seasoning up my
Speaker 1: mac and cheese.
Speaker 2: But the grilled onions, it's crunchy, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I am so happy.
Speaker 2: I am very impressible. The only thing is.
Speaker 1: I would maybe add and I don't even know, but
Speaker 1: do you agree? Would you add more salt to the
Speaker 1: mac and cheese?
Speaker 3: Oh? I put salt on my stuff, but I don't
Speaker 3: want to do that to people.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's what.
Speaker 3: The lorries for you. You know, sodium is a bitch nowadays.
Speaker 3: M Plus, there's a lot of salt in that Tony
Speaker 3: Sharia whatever name is.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So for a girl that came from money, went broke,
Speaker 1: had sugar daddies, and it's self made to the point
Speaker 1: of flying your family in from Orlando to La still
Speaker 1: in the early early I don't even want to say
Speaker 1: how early thirties she is because all of us are listening.
Speaker 2: Can you believe that much you've accomplished. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: You know. Sometimes I get scared like I'll lose it,
Speaker 3: But then I realize the hunger that I have to
Speaker 3: help everybody around me is too deep. It's too intense
Speaker 3: that I don't think it could happen.
Speaker 2: Now do you deal with well?
Speaker 1: You said you have multiple companies. You're definitely spread. It
Speaker 1: sounds to me like you're spread pretty thin. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy you shared that because I always think that maybe
Speaker 1: I'm doing something wrong if I have so many hustles
Speaker 1: going at the same time.
Speaker 3: You know, there is something to be said about a
Speaker 3: master of none, But I will say this much what's
Speaker 3: worked for me. I don't steal anybody's idea. I really
Speaker 3: ride my own wave. I made a studio not because
Speaker 3: there's other podcast studios, because there were no black owned
Speaker 3: ones that were gonna have podcasters run it. I'd never
Speaker 3: been to a podcast studio run by a podcaster. I
Speaker 3: made horrible decisions because I really wanted to do a
Speaker 3: fun sex show with someone that I knew was authentic,
Speaker 3: and there were no black shows about sex that were
Speaker 3: hosted by normal girls. Yeah right, it was always like
Speaker 3: porn stars or whatever. Everything that I've done so far
Speaker 3: hadn't seen before except for stock, I would say. But like,
Speaker 3: I've really rode my own wave, and that's why I
Speaker 3: think it's worked. So when you do too many different
Speaker 3: trades and you're taking an idea, like your concept is different.
Speaker 3: We've all seen a cooking show, but your concept is different, right, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's like you have to have something different added
Speaker 3: to it, and I think that if you don't, you
Speaker 3: then become a master of none because you're just trying
Speaker 3: to do things that other people do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1: I have a fear of I don't even know where
Speaker 1: this fear came from, but when it comes to partnering
Speaker 1: with other people, I feel like my greatest asset is
Speaker 1: my relationships. And it's probably because I have so much integrity.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I won't hurt a full I really
Speaker 1: won't even hurt a fly because I want to treat
Speaker 1: people the way I would want to be treated.
Speaker 2: So my loyalty is there.
Speaker 1: But when I see like you and Mandy working together
Speaker 1: and you and Alex working together. I'm like, either the
Speaker 1: integrity on you has got to be super lit or
Speaker 1: how are you managing that partnership? Because I always get nervous,
Speaker 1: like what if the other partner doesn't hold up or
Speaker 1: there's a disagreement?
Speaker 2: So how do you? How do you navigate that?
Speaker 3: My first partnership I've ever had was with Mandy, right,
Speaker 3: and Mandy and I had stopped we're friends, stopp being friends,
Speaker 3: became friends again during the show, fell out of friendship again.
Speaker 3: But I think we are so hungry to make money
Speaker 3: that we look past that and we're able to think
Speaker 3: of the greater purpose. Like if I had a co
Speaker 3: host that wasn't about our fans, maybe I couldn't do
Speaker 3: the job, you know what I'm saying. But Mandy's a
Speaker 3: self starter like I am too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not tough.
Speaker 3: Like Mandy and I were on tour putting together the
Speaker 3: merch table or doing something with the merchan of the
Speaker 3: VIP things. And you know, if I see her doing something,
Speaker 3: I don't want her to do it alone.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, because oh nice, okay.
Speaker 3: You know, And I think she feels the same for me,
Speaker 3: so we definitely try and trust me, I have a
Speaker 3: time where I didn't even realize how much work she
Speaker 3: was putting in with the finance stuff. She's making spreadsheets
Speaker 3: and shit back then and doing stuff I didn't even
Speaker 3: understand that works. I would try to do it on
Speaker 3: the creative side. But like I think, for me, with partnerships,
Speaker 3: there's a skill set that someone has that I don't.
Speaker 3: You know, wtf is so about the tech which is
Speaker 3: all Alex and not me. But I do have to
Speaker 3: give myself credit on how we were able to get
Speaker 3: this shit going. I just don't know how much I
Speaker 3: rent is where the light deep come from. He don't
Speaker 3: know what the fuck going on, which is great, Yeah,
Speaker 3: figure out the other shit. Like I really learned how
Speaker 3: to use our skills and work together in that way,
Speaker 3: and it's definitely been touched. She's one of my tough
Speaker 3: he's one of my best friends, and it's like damn,
Speaker 3: now sometimes it's all work. So we really have to
Speaker 3: feed that friendship. You know, we have to have a
Speaker 3: night where we get drunk together and have fun and
Speaker 3: not talk about work. We have to really do that
Speaker 3: to enjoy each other and separate it because it's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know with Dolly. Dolly and I came from
Speaker 1: the nick Cannon area. A lot of people don't know this.
Speaker 3: So my whole hookup with Black Effects, the president of
Speaker 3: Black Man, yeah.
Speaker 2: My stuff was an accident. It was legit.
Speaker 1: I was telling Dolly I was literally like flying weed
Speaker 1: money during the pandemic because I was I was hustling
Speaker 1: all different directions. But anyways, I was trying to build
Speaker 1: this show and I was like, Dolly, I think you
Speaker 1: should be a part of it. But you know, she
Speaker 1: had this other job offer and she's like should I
Speaker 1: take him? Like, as long as they don't tell you
Speaker 1: to go to work, girl, I'm all about taking all checks.
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was the President of the Black
Speaker 1: Effect or whatever. They happened to need a cooking show
Speaker 1: and she pitched Eating while Broke and called me like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna kill me? And I was like, why would
Speaker 1: I kill you? And we're actual friends, you know I
Speaker 1: told you. She's like, I told you know, iHeart and
Speaker 1: ICM and Charlemagne about Eating while Broke and they loved it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so where do I kill you?
Speaker 1: She's like, well, they you know, we run a podcast network,
Speaker 1: and your show is you want to do a TV show.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Dolly, the table was just built in my garage.
Speaker 1: My neighbors are driving past it. I actually don't even
Speaker 1: know where this table is gonna go, okay, And I
Speaker 1: think I had just found out I was pregnant or
Speaker 1: I was like borderline in that conversation, and I was like, shit,
Speaker 1: you know I was doing.
Speaker 2: Illegal weed activity.
Speaker 1: I was hustling in all these different plings, but I
Speaker 1: had this idea that was literally sitting in my garage,
Speaker 1: Like they just finished putting the forks on the table,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Dolly, I'm about to go broke. And
Speaker 1: I done pitched all my celebrity friends. But I don't
Speaker 1: even know if we're just taking this table to their
Speaker 1: house or how we're even doing it. So why would
Speaker 1: I kill you? Like?
Speaker 2: And she was like, yeah, well, they want.
Speaker 1: To send you an offer, like and I was like,
Speaker 1: She's like, can you send me all your decks and stuff?
Speaker 1: And I was like yeah, I had already had everything made.
Speaker 1: But it was really no reason to kill her. But
Speaker 1: even to this day, like sometimes as friends, I'll have
Speaker 1: to get on the phone with her and She'll be like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk business, or we could talk friends.
Speaker 1: So that's how we managed the friendship. It'd be like,
Speaker 1: Dolly ain't joining here nothing about work.
Speaker 3: That's tough. When someone's like cutting that's tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I heard an attitude from
Speaker 3: Dolly when I was asking for more money.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh yeah, Dolly will tell me
Speaker 1: no so fast.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know, I separate.
Speaker 3: It is a safe place. It's a safer place than not,
Speaker 3: you know, in my heart is times with Mandy, I
Speaker 3: remember being so angry at her. We've definitely thought like
Speaker 3: I can't do this anymore. Literally, I was like, why
Speaker 3: I go, fuck it? Where am I going to go?
Speaker 3: Like all this goddamn money, where am I gonna Where?
Speaker 3: Am I gonna go work for someone else? Fucking white dude?
Speaker 3: Like No, I'm gonna make this money with her and
Speaker 3: figure it the fuck out. Actually, it's interesting with our partnership.
Speaker 3: I recently was at dinner with someone who asked me
Speaker 3: about books and money spending and things like that, and
Speaker 3: I was like, when you talked about integrity, I just
Speaker 3: thought about it. Whether I'm angry with Mandy or not.
Speaker 3: I've never thought she would like take money from the
Speaker 3: company or something. Right with d Alex and I were bestie,
Speaker 3: so we're not going to fuck each other over. And
Speaker 3: they were telling me about how someone been sneaking money
Speaker 3: out of the their partnership. And I never thought of
Speaker 3: the bad side of what could happen for partnerships, only
Speaker 3: the good.
Speaker 5: Yea.
Speaker 3: But it's really because I do find strength in numbers,
Speaker 3: and I think partnership just builds and builds and builds
Speaker 3: your portfolio. I mean, I would rather have half of
Speaker 3: ten things, you know what I mean, especially knowing that,
Speaker 3: Like there's so many times Alex has called me and
Speaker 3: is like, yo, Neil Brennan is coming in and David
Speaker 3: Lehiman coming in our studios us right, or maybe I'll
Speaker 3: hit him up and I'll be like we're locked down
Speaker 3: for a week. We got a deal from Amazon. Like
Speaker 3: it's always one or the other, and it really really helps,
Speaker 3: because when you're trying to get all that different money,
Speaker 3: you can't do all things. I don't believe in people
Speaker 3: that are trying to have too much control over everything,
Speaker 3: you know, That's that's when it gets really tough. That's
Speaker 3: when you get burnt out. You've got to be able
Speaker 3: to alleviate some of that. I'm real cheap and I
Speaker 3: don't even be wanting to give money up to an assistant,
Speaker 3: but I realize it helps make your life easier.
Speaker 1: Have you have you considered bringing one on yet I
Speaker 1: have one as it has been helpful.
Speaker 3: Well, our studio is so busy. She's now just the
Speaker 3: studio manager of the two New York locations. But oh
Speaker 3: she was amazing, Like she literally helped me with my
Speaker 3: grandmother's funeral, you know, like when you've got a good one.
Speaker 3: But my sisters like a real nigga, Like she's not
Speaker 3: like she's not, Oh she's so great. She'll call me
Speaker 3: like these mother, Like she helped me with the thing
Speaker 3: for the wheelchair for my dad today. Right, she sent
Speaker 3: me a screenshot of an email she was like these
Speaker 3: motherfucker's trying to play me bruh, and like it's so
Speaker 3: funny because like you kind of do have to work
Speaker 3: with someone that makes you feel comfortable. You know, if
Speaker 3: she was too tidied up, I don't think I can
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, But like I love partnering and working
Speaker 3: with people that make me feel like I'm at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because when we.
Speaker 3: Face the world, there's a different person across that, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So knowing that we hire black
Speaker 3: and hire people that are a vibe like yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just it's so great, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think, but also finding someone that really is invested
Speaker 1: in your vision and your long term goals. I know
Speaker 1: with my crew, I love them, like if I feel
Speaker 1: something's de routing, I'm like, dinner, lunch, we're getting together.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the table and find out what's going on.
Speaker 1: But we I genuinely like love my crew, Like.
Speaker 3: Everybody that works for me, I would want to have
Speaker 3: a drink with them. Yeah. That to me, I don't
Speaker 3: want to hire anybody that makes me fe like getting
Speaker 3: my nerves and they're weird or like yeah, I want
Speaker 3: to know they're cool, whether they be nerdy as fuck
Speaker 3: and maybe we don't share those hobbies, like yeah, there
Speaker 3: has to be some connection there or I won't maybe
Speaker 3: care as much. And I think my thing to being
Speaker 3: a good boss is giving a fuck yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: writing down everyone's birthdays, making sure I get them a gift,
Speaker 3: sending them text, telling them I appreciate them. I also
Speaker 3: don't say people work for me. Like, if I'm in
Speaker 3: front of someone, I feel like that's.
Speaker 2: Do you do you call them like your team? How
Speaker 2: do you reference them?
Speaker 3: I'd be like, I say we work together. If someone
Speaker 3: wants to know, oh, I like that. Even if they
Speaker 3: walk in the studio and they know on the owner,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, this is Danny, he works with us,
Speaker 3: or like that just makes me more comfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I find a lot of condescendingness and when people kind
Speaker 3: of just be like they work for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was at an event the other day and someone said,
Speaker 1: just so you know, I'm her boss, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you had to say that. I
Speaker 1: don't even know the point of saying it. But I
Speaker 1: think mainly in corporate and maybe not very small smaller.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to say an entrepreneurs. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I do see.
Speaker 1: I guess if you're not at the higher level, you
Speaker 1: see that more because I don't even think the executives
Speaker 1: be like I'm the boss.
Speaker 3: No, but like look at Connell from Our Heart, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was hugging everybody and chilling. I'm like, what, I
Speaker 3: don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know that's the
Speaker 3: thing too. I feel like there's this middle of success
Speaker 3: when you try to prove yourself. I can only relate
Speaker 3: to this. When I was kind of getting some decent money,
Speaker 3: I wanted to wear leubatons. I wanted to wear my
Speaker 3: fucking one Louis Biton bag everywhere. I needed to throw
Speaker 3: it in your face.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now I'm kind of like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's how I feel about Montessori school right now.
Speaker 1: Every time I see someone, I'm like, I pay.
Speaker 2: Two thousand dollars a month for my one year old
Speaker 2: to go to school. I should just have it as
Speaker 2: a billboard at this point.
Speaker 1: Oh bro, I feel like I'm luxury and that's really
Speaker 1: probably a regular person thing.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, now that's a lot.
Speaker 3: That's better than they care, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I literally, but I brag about it, like and
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I saw some comedian talk about like how
Speaker 1: when black people brag when they're rich, Asian people brag
Speaker 1: when they're rich, and how white people brag when they're rich,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'm definitely the black person
Speaker 1: that was like, I pay two games.
Speaker 3: I try to find ways in a point where I'm
Speaker 3: feeling a little inferior. Yeah, sometimes people you never know
Speaker 3: they making my like it's I can't explain it. But
Speaker 3: there's moments where people will make you feel like you
Speaker 3: don't belong in the room there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when I might do a little bit of really.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm trying to think. The last time I
Speaker 3: haven't I had this story. I told him horrible. It's
Speaker 3: on our Patreon where I came back from Paris and
Speaker 3: I was hanging in this Beyonce and jay Z party.
Speaker 3: It was very small, like thirty people, and after that
Speaker 3: you couldn't tell me shit. It was me and alex
Speaker 3: I was like fuck you bitch, and Mionce with like,
Speaker 3: you know, in the air together. So I just kept
Speaker 3: finding ways to bring it up. So we went to
Speaker 3: like Spotify dinner that week and everybody's just like, oh,
Speaker 3: horrible decisions. Never heard of it. Yes, actually I've been
Speaker 3: to France, not that you asked, was there whatever, but
Speaker 3: like i'd be trying to figure out a way, but
Speaker 3: I don't know, And I think that's kind of when
Speaker 3: you do have and I know that I came from something,
Speaker 3: so I just can't say it came from nothing, but
Speaker 3: like when you had that struggle, you want to know,
Speaker 3: you want people to know I belong here too, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I have a lot of hell of privileged people
Speaker 3: that I know don't really.
Speaker 2: Have that that driver or the that that they're the backstory,
Speaker 2: they don't need to.
Speaker 3: Like I hang with this really rich girl sometimes when
Speaker 3: I'm in LA, like grew up rich. I think our
Speaker 3: family's got a fucking castle somewhere. And I never really
Speaker 3: see her tell you anything about her life because she
Speaker 3: realizes it's so it's not part of her story. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like everything she's experienced isn't exciting. Like when I told
Speaker 3: her about the Beyonce and jay Z thing, She's like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah. I'm like, well you met them before. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: well I used to hang with the Rnall's when I
Speaker 3: was a kid who own LVMA.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious And I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: It's to note the bitch, But like you know, so,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I wonder if it kind of shows
Speaker 3: that you don't really have much. But what I appreciate
Speaker 3: is like people that can enjoy with you. Like the
Speaker 3: first person I called after that Beyonce and jay z
Speaker 3: night was charlottmgne cover bed with his wife who was
Speaker 3: eleven thirty at night. Me and Alex are drunk in
Speaker 3: the street or something like, oh, I tell somebody And
Speaker 3: he was so excited and laughing and he's like, y'all
Speaker 3: in now, I'm like, brouh. The next time I see
Speaker 3: them one name, but they put it home the Bitch
Speaker 3: for Paris, and it's just this cool, exciting milestone. But
Speaker 3: maybe I will get to the place where it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know, hope not, no, no, no no. So
Speaker 1: now that you've traveled the world, you owned companies, you're
Speaker 1: flying your family out, what advice would you give to someone.
Speaker 2: That would even just in my shoes? You know?
Speaker 1: What advice would you give to someone that's playing hasn't
Speaker 1: fully taken off the ground yet and they've been hovering
Speaker 1: for a long time.
Speaker 3: I would say, thinking bigger than the biggest thing you're
Speaker 3: thinking of. I think that we sell ourselves short a lot.
Speaker 3: Whether it be I don't know. This is just made
Speaker 3: me thinking right. Eating while Broke is currently a podcast.
Speaker 3: It seems like next up is TV show that seems
Speaker 3: like what that is? Right?
Speaker 1: But I also want to do touring, which eighty five
Speaker 1: South has been like just do it, but Dolly's like
Speaker 1: hell no, and eighty five for South is like do
Speaker 1: that shit?
Speaker 3: Why does Dolly say now.
Speaker 1: She thinks I need to spend more time growing my
Speaker 1: audience like baby steps and then but I low key
Speaker 1: secretly want to do ice cube in LA.
Speaker 3: I would tell you for this piece of advice, then
Speaker 3: I would say, you do it in the middle. You
Speaker 3: do one show. You do one show in your hometown
Speaker 3: or where your largest base of audience is, and that's LA, right,
Speaker 3: I'm assuming yeah. So it's like you do your LA show,
Speaker 3: you don't tour, you do your LA show. You practice,
Speaker 3: you get your biggest fan based there, you already have
Speaker 3: all your friends come. It's probably where all the talent
Speaker 3: you know is. So you do it right there in LA.
Speaker 3: After you do that, then you kind of get your
Speaker 3: feet wet or this space is semi big. Make a
Speaker 3: Patreon or invite your top fans, mit fifteen fans really
Speaker 3: and write fifteen fans, have them sitting wide laugh with you. Uh,
Speaker 3: maybe put the ingredients out there and be like this
Speaker 3: is what I got, y'all gonna help me make this meal?
Speaker 3: Maybe they just shout at you and they share stories
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 1: When you, guys did your Patreon, what were you what
Speaker 1: was your first Like, did you even think you would
Speaker 1: make money when you first did the Patreon?
Speaker 3: No, we make way too much on Patreon now. I
Speaker 3: mean I'm sure like there you know, there's patreons bigger
Speaker 3: than me. But like we did it before. I think
Speaker 3: we were one of the first black popular podcasts that
Speaker 3: we know on there. Like we had our first year
Speaker 3: of year seven, I mean the first year of your seven,
Speaker 3: and we only did it to make more money for
Speaker 3: the studio. Mandy and I were like, this shit costing
Speaker 3: too much. We ain't making no money. Friend of mine
Speaker 3: was like, have you heard of l Chrapo trap House
Speaker 3: something like that? It's like a white podcast. I was
Speaker 3: like no, and he's like, they make like ninety round Patreon.
Speaker 1: You should do You guys were like, dude, du what's
Speaker 1: that right?
Speaker 3: I mean, shit, we don't make ninety, but we do
Speaker 3: make twenty.
Speaker 2: Get the hang out on Patreon mm hm, get the.
Speaker 3: But to be honest, though, our Patreon, like we started
Speaker 3: a high very early of people that really resonated with
Speaker 3: Mandy and I because we were corporate girls talking about sex,
Speaker 3: and it was kind of the life that if you
Speaker 3: didn't live it, you'd want to live it, or you
Speaker 3: could see yourself living it like host stories while like
Speaker 3: being overdraft and are you know, being at your desk whatever.
Speaker 3: So we made Patreon. It was to get extra money
Speaker 3: for filming. I remember a thousand dollars a month feeling perfect.
Speaker 2: Hell, yeah that's not I know that sounds small.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when it got higher, Mandy and I just
Speaker 3: started spelling more of our personal lives on Patreon, and
Speaker 3: it became like we were just talking to fans instead
Speaker 3: of like doing a show. You know, like we have
Speaker 3: so so many guests now that people that really fucked
Speaker 3: with Mandy and Wheezy they want Patreon. Like a lot
Speaker 3: of people enjoy those episodes more. I love like a
Speaker 3: better looking set, but I get it, Mandy and I'd
Speaker 3: be on zoom. I'd be hungover shit. I think I
Speaker 3: was still mollied out on one episode. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you guys didn't sleave anyway, Like people
Speaker 3: like that shit when you're very raw, and so we
Speaker 3: offer that so it's something different. But yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: write your closest fans if it's not Patreon right now,
Speaker 3: figure out where you talk to them the most, have
Speaker 3: them come and watch. Well.
Speaker 1: I think this season is the most I've seen fans
Speaker 1: reach out, which, by the way, I'm absolutely shocked. I'll
Speaker 1: get a DM like please don't stop, please don't quit.
Speaker 2: We love this sir. Yeah, or like I promise you're
Speaker 2: asking the questions that we want.
Speaker 1: You to hear, and I'll be like, thank you, because
Speaker 1: I for sure had a shitty day today and I
Speaker 1: really want to jump off a bridge. But that message
Speaker 1: just like literally, I know it's random, but you help them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you taketed the right time, and I will
Speaker 1: respond that like, Yo, the timing couldn't have been better,
Speaker 1: thank you for saving my life.
Speaker 3: Fans too, like we look at other people's numbers and
Speaker 3: comparison is a thief and joy.
Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely do.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, look at them, but you know now,
Speaker 1: I look at y'all and I'll be like, take notes.
Speaker 3: Change when we're in line to them, right, Like I
Speaker 3: remember when call her Daddy made the sixty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: sixty million right, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I'll never get me. I was saying ship like that.
Speaker 3: I don't have that. I'm like this podcast makes how much?
Speaker 3: Like why am I talking like this?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And we really have to pour into ourselves better because
Speaker 3: we always are looking at something else. I do it
Speaker 3: with my body doing my hair. Shit, I was almost like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, my hair is not brain different. The
Speaker 3: got my hair like thinking about all this little ship
Speaker 3: that doesn't fucking matter. And it's like we need to
Speaker 3: really learn how to be happy with ourselves because like,
Speaker 3: I think social media has bucked me up. I'm getting
Speaker 3: way better at it, but like body, hair, clothes and success,
Speaker 3: they're all the things I see on Instagram and think
Speaker 3: I'm not doing well enough with h and this is
Speaker 3: fucked up. But it did happen to me. I went
Speaker 3: to solid Core, which is this like plate's ish cool
Speaker 3: thing to do. It's in La Chicago, New York, Big Cities, Atlanta,
Speaker 3: and there's a girl on Instagram I follow that. I
Speaker 3: always thought she was like so fucking insanely hot. When
Speaker 3: I was in the workout, she was right next to
Speaker 3: me and I recognized her halfway through. She was really struggling.
Speaker 3: And it's not like it's something to make fun of.
Speaker 3: You're already working out. But I got in the car
Speaker 3: and I thought, oh my god, I have I'm stronger
Speaker 3: than I thought. I was right. I'm looking at this
Speaker 3: girl all the time on my timeline, thinking she's the
Speaker 3: baddest bitch in the world. And I had something like
Speaker 3: she even said to me. I was like, damn bitch,
Speaker 3: she was getting it right. We don't know each other,
Speaker 3: and I was like, wow, there's something we all have
Speaker 3: that someone else doesn't. So when you're looking and you're
Speaker 3: thinking that, it's not shit me. I want kids so bad. Really, yes,
Speaker 3: I would love to have kids, like I would love
Speaker 3: to have.
Speaker 2: Over to you for a weekend.
Speaker 3: Oh my mom would love to watch over. My mom
Speaker 3: love taking somebody's baby.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh she's in LA.
Speaker 1: That's perfect because I ain't got no family in I
Speaker 1: pay every minute a well.
Speaker 3: Well, my mom will act like it's an inconvenience, but
Speaker 3: she can't wait to do it. Let me watch your baby,
Speaker 3: Colleen called me, and now I've got to watch this
Speaker 3: damn baby. Now'll get in the house, baby proud anyway,
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you later. Like she loves taking somebody's
Speaker 3: problems on her kids or anything, and like, yeah, but
Speaker 3: I think about that. I think.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: I was at a friend's kids graduation, her daughter graduately
Speaker 3: needs her, and I was like, like three people had
Speaker 3: asked me for a picture when I was in the auditorium,
Speaker 3: and I remember thinking, like, I wonder if they think
Speaker 3: I'm like living this cool ass like but somebody was like, damn,
Speaker 3: you came from LA to be here. Someone said that
Speaker 3: to me, and I was like, when I could like
Speaker 3: die to be one of the parents in the front.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, But you never know, right, Like there's always
Speaker 3: something we all want. I think we all need that
Speaker 3: little drama in our lives to keep going.
Speaker 1: You think so oh, like the when you say drama,
Speaker 1: like the need to want something more?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how are we going to be autopilot if we
Speaker 3: have all we want? Like what do you want?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: I want this guy's limit.
Speaker 1: It's funny though, because I used to always want like
Speaker 1: the marriage and the baby, because I always felt like
Speaker 1: I was good at business and then I just sucked
Speaker 1: at personal. But now that I experienced marriage and the baby,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think I'm gonna stay in my business
Speaker 1: life because I suck at it. It's just like yo,
Speaker 1: you know what I have to chop it up to Like,
Speaker 1: it's just not my forte. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: can't master my personal but I could.
Speaker 3: It's tough. We all can't because it's not something you
Speaker 3: can control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe that's it because I feel like in business,
Speaker 1: like I will pivot the fuck if it's not working,
Speaker 1: pivot again, pivot again. But then in my personal I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you went left. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what to say.
Speaker 3: Is tough. Yeah, money we can control, Like I feel
Speaker 3: like I can make a million dollars easier than I
Speaker 3: can find a good person to date. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: fucked up to say that, but I really do believe that.
Speaker 3: I feel like when it's things you can control, like
Speaker 3: you can't control money. Let's say, like right, like there's
Speaker 3: people out there that are working hard as fucking or
Speaker 3: not getting there, but like you could possibly take up
Speaker 3: another hustle to find some more money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I was taking pictures out of Oo pizzeria on
Speaker 3: the side because they would give me one hundred dollars
Speaker 3: a night, okay for five hours, and I would just
Speaker 3: take pictures, pictures and I would flip them a little bit.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. The pictures of fifteen, but
Speaker 3: i'd tell people with twenty Yeah, yeah, that's like finding
Speaker 3: that hustle. I was on Craigslist looking for gig jobs.
Speaker 3: That was a caddy girl one day, Like I told
Speaker 3: you that.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. Like, do you think now
Speaker 1: do you think entrepreneurs are like born out the womb
Speaker 1: or do you think they could go to college and
Speaker 1: then become an entrepreneur.
Speaker 3: I don't think entrepreneurs are for everyone. Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: think it's too exhausting. Yeah, Like I think working a
Speaker 3: nine to five, I think the goal for me, before
Speaker 3: realizing I wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to
Speaker 3: make two fifty at a.
Speaker 2: Corporate I'm still praying to hit that too fuch at
Speaker 2: a corporate job.
Speaker 3: Oh, at a corporate That to me would have made
Speaker 3: me not do anything else. Okay, because the one seventy
Speaker 3: five was great. I was living a great apartment and traveling,
Speaker 3: but my parents needed help and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I need more money for my parents. If I had
Speaker 3: two fifty, that's money I could have to help them.
Speaker 3: And if I want to have a kid, I can
Speaker 3: live in this money, but mind you in New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, like two fifty in another city might be
Speaker 3: a million dollars. Yeah, my rent even then was twenty five.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, bro Yeah. But I say all that to
Speaker 3: say nine to fivers are making a lot more money
Speaker 3: than entrepreneurs. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Entrepreneurs are
Speaker 3: out here really struggling. It's tough. But I think it's
Speaker 3: because some people are chasing a dream that they think
Speaker 3: they should do when really that's not it.
Speaker 1: How would they identify the dream that is it though?
Speaker 1: And from the dream that isn't.
Speaker 3: I think one if it feels like a passion, are
Speaker 3: you happy doing it?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Are you doing it because you actually love this? Like
Speaker 3: why do you love making? Eating while broke?
Speaker 1: I just love great rags to riches stories, Like I
Speaker 1: have some rich friends and they always tell me they
Speaker 1: were like in jail somewhere or they were so on
Speaker 1: the ask somewhere, and I'm like, wait, you and you
Speaker 1: live in the seven thousand square Foo mansion in La Oh,
Speaker 1: tell me more. And I just love it. Like I
Speaker 1: would hang out and I just love the stories. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, but you know.
Speaker 3: And I would say then with your audience and feeling inspired.
Speaker 2: But I was.
Speaker 1: Definitely lucky because I felt like the friends that I have,
Speaker 1: like if I'm like, Damn, this bill was high, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, you wouldn't understand it, be like try me.
Speaker 1: I'd be like a thousand bucks to be like, no,
Speaker 1: that bill's.
Speaker 2: High, you know. I'd really and they'd be like, no,
Speaker 2: it's high, you know.
Speaker 1: And so luckily I was fortunate to be with some
Speaker 1: friends that really like that. I felt like, damn, you're
Speaker 1: hanging out with me, Like if you and I hung out,
Speaker 1: I would be lowkey geeked just because you have a
Speaker 1: great personality, but I would also be lowkey geeked because
Speaker 1: I'm like I look up to you, like I definitely
Speaker 1: admire you, you know.
Speaker 3: I feel like that with people sometimes where I'm like,
Speaker 3: are we like we're peers? Right? No matter if maybe
Speaker 3: like maybe my podcast has been going on longer than yours,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, that's what I'm gonna get, Like it's
Speaker 3: still appears.
Speaker 2: Well, you're more than just a pot.
Speaker 1: Like in my eyes, well you and Mandy accomplished was great,
Speaker 1: But you gotta think you're a beautiful attractive woman in
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. I have sidebar conversations all the time.
Speaker 1: I'll leave a meeting, I'll be like, this person wants
Speaker 1: to fuck, and my friends will be like, how do
Speaker 1: you know, and be like, Bro, I've been in this
Speaker 1: game way too long. I can tell by the questions
Speaker 1: that the hints they want to fuck, and then I
Speaker 1: gotta navigate that. So to be attractive woman, Okay, then
Speaker 1: you're an entertainment. Then you're an entrepreneurs, then you're handling
Speaker 1: all this business. Then you're sale. When I hear sales,
Speaker 1: nothing excites me, you know how you get when I
Speaker 1: hear a girl could sell, I'll be like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is a it says, this is a real, real time,
Speaker 1: you know. But so I look at someone like you
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I would definitely be in awe
Speaker 1: like you know, like you know geeks, and same with
Speaker 1: my friends. Like I have my homie day Storm, I'll
Speaker 1: hang out in his house or whatever. He literally will
Speaker 1: only hang out when we work out, which sucks because
Speaker 1: his workouts are absolutely terrifyingly terriblely hard workouts.
Speaker 2: Like if I want to have a talk a day Storm, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, I'll be at your house at four to work out,
Speaker 1: and it'll be the worst workout of the century, you know,
Speaker 1: But I still look up to him, and I'll still
Speaker 1: be like geeked, Like yo, I could walk into your
Speaker 1: house or borrow your house for the weekend. And but I,
Speaker 1: even though we're friends, I still look up to you,
Speaker 1: and you're vulnerable. But they're the real inspiration behind my show.
Speaker 1: They're realize stories and realize advice.
Speaker 3: And honestly sharing that to the world and then you
Speaker 3: receiving that fan feedback and things like that, like having
Speaker 3: the passion that making you feel good learning in the
Speaker 3: middle of your job. That's how you know you keep going,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But also I think the
Speaker 3: largest mistake entrepreneurs make is if they have a regular
Speaker 3: job or a steady gig, they leave it for the
Speaker 3: passion before the passion flourishes. Yeah, and I didn't do that,
Speaker 3: Like I was working eighty hours a week doing horrible
Speaker 3: and yeah, you know, literally coming in with my suitcase
Speaker 3: to the office, like, oh, I went to go see
Speaker 3: my parents, but really I had a fucking four hundred
Speaker 3: seat show that we fill down and like that. Today
Speaker 3: is different now it's double right and it feels great,
Speaker 3: but like, nah, I had to do both. I think
Speaker 3: living in the entertainment industry today is interesting because it
Speaker 3: could be anybody, right, Like, influencers have really ruined fame?
Speaker 2: You think so?
Speaker 1: Yes, I guess I could see that. It's weird because
Speaker 1: I see, like I feel like they're self made and
Speaker 1: they work very hard, like when you look at the
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, they work hard.
Speaker 2: But I definitely will say I don't know. I would
Speaker 2: like to hear your perspective on it.
Speaker 3: I think influencers ruined fame because not saying that they're talentless,
Speaker 3: the content creation as a form of a talent. Like
Speaker 3: if the Internet is gone, then where do you take
Speaker 3: it and what do you do with it? You know,
Speaker 3: I have a big influencer that reached out to me.
Speaker 3: They're not going broke or anything like they're making like
Speaker 3: maybe thirty fortieth posts, but they reached out to me
Speaker 3: and we're like, I need you to have dinner with
Speaker 3: me or some shit and influences me to do some
Speaker 3: other shit. Because I realized this is like just what
Speaker 3: if Instagram doesn't want me to do ads anymore? What
Speaker 3: if Instagram stops advertisments for influencers, what if the hashtag
Speaker 3: goes away? Like she was terrified, and it was when
Speaker 3: TikTok was about to get banned or something, and I
Speaker 3: was like, damn. I'm like, I don't know half of
Speaker 3: my nas year off of heigi ads. But she was right,
Speaker 3: like I didn't do anything else. I've just been learning
Speaker 3: this one skill and that shit is tough because like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I wouldn't want my kids to be
Speaker 3: an influencer. I think it also inflates when I say
Speaker 3: it ruined fame, like you have movie stars, actors, actresses,
Speaker 3: and even podcasters make fame to me, like it's not real.
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen people too that will get like ten
Speaker 1: thousand followers and they all already switch up. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: if your bank account still read zero, who gives a
Speaker 1: fuck about some likes?
Speaker 3: But the same shit is weird because the likes and
Speaker 3: all this stuff makes you think you're better than you
Speaker 3: are when there's so many more of you, so you
Speaker 3: really have to find a thing that makes you different.
Speaker 3: Like honest, I follow so many girls that are just
Speaker 3: hot and kind of look the same because of their
Speaker 3: clothes or their workouts. Or whatever. I don't think I
Speaker 3: know their names.
Speaker 2: Really no.
Speaker 3: I remember sitting at Lucy and it's my favorite restaurant
Speaker 3: New York. I always go there in the East Village
Speaker 3: and I was looking at this girl and I tapped
Speaker 3: her and I was like, do I know you? Do
Speaker 3: we have a school together? Genuinely didn't know. I feel
Speaker 3: like I know you, And she was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: an influencer. I was like, maybe I follow you. What's
Speaker 3: your name? Didn't ring a bell? Looked at it and
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, I've been following this bitter a minute.
Speaker 2: But that's it.
Speaker 3: You're not even connecting to the content. Yeah, because it's
Speaker 3: just grid post after grid post up or something something.
Speaker 3: That's why people like just hilarious Drew Ski a Pretty V.
Speaker 3: They fucking stick out because we know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah and they yeah, but those are also like I know. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll say for Pretty V because we had her aunt,
Speaker 1: she's she's also hard.
Speaker 2: She's like a hustler too.
Speaker 1: I would say she's she's more of an entrepreneur than
Speaker 1: an influencer. Know she started that way, you know you could.
Speaker 1: I feel the same with like b Simone, but something that.
Speaker 3: I have something that they do.
Speaker 1: But I will say I honestly say like and it
Speaker 1: could be just me vibed, but I would say almost
Speaker 1: ninety percent of my guests have true integrity. There's somewhere
Speaker 1: I'll be like after interview reps, I'll be like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I called bullshit, and I won't say who, but there
Speaker 1: was a couple of episodes where my team I'll be like, damn,
Speaker 1: that was a bullshit, meaning like they looked bigger than
Speaker 1: what they were. And then when I got in, I
Speaker 1: was like, you don't know your shit, You're a fake.
Speaker 3: Maybe some people just get lucky.
Speaker 1: They got lucky, or they didn't name drop like hey,
Speaker 1: your baby mama helped you, or your mom helped you.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you give them the credit that they deserved.
Speaker 3: Strange when people don't credit those that helped along the way.
Speaker 2: I think it's completely strange.
Speaker 3: Do you know one of them?
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're on my show and I
Speaker 1: catch it, I won't say it in front of the guests,
Speaker 1: but I will go me even the show raps, I'll
Speaker 1: be like, I called bullshit. They left out somebody because
Speaker 1: their story isn't adding up, And I will literally you
Speaker 1: could ask my crew.
Speaker 2: I will be wait, it was.
Speaker 3: Mine, the sugar Daddy.
Speaker 2: Your story was as real as they get.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know you could tell because they'll
Speaker 1: be a missing gap. You know, they'll be like some
Speaker 1: part of the story where you'd be like that that
Speaker 1: doesn't line up. There's something missing there. I can always
Speaker 1: tell because I like, well, you.
Speaker 3: Know, sometimes the struggle isn't what people like to show,
Speaker 3: right the highlight reels that they need to show.
Speaker 2: The struggle on this show.
Speaker 1: On this show, you gotta tell me to credit your wife.
Speaker 3: If you're not giving other people their flower, it never
Speaker 3: takes from you. I was gonna say to you, Charlottagne
Speaker 3: makes me do that more than anyone like. It makes
Speaker 3: me thank my team so much. Like I've never seen
Speaker 3: anyone be so gracious towards those around him, even when
Speaker 3: I pay him a compliment, just no one else around
Speaker 3: Damn you kill this shit man. That was some though.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, I've never really I've seen Charlomage
Speaker 1: one time, so I literally saw him, was like, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for everything you do for me.
Speaker 3: Have a good day. Wait, you just met him in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it. And that's all I said was
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: What every Christian famous person like normal and authentic. And
Speaker 3: I think I made a joke on a podcast and
Speaker 3: I tested it once. I was like, man like, they
Speaker 3: were like, who do you think is someone that you've
Speaker 3: met that's a celebrity that you expected to be different?
Speaker 3: I was like, Charlomanne answers the phone every time. I
Speaker 3: think it's very strange. Yeah, because you're so like, he's
Speaker 3: literally answered. I could hear him at the breakfast. I
Speaker 3: was up, he's monnies me, Like, just really wants to
Speaker 3: make sure he's accessible to people that he cares about.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what's inspired me to be a
Speaker 3: really good leader and just all around good person when
Speaker 3: it comes to people that have paved the way, because like,
Speaker 3: we don't see that, we see a lot of I
Speaker 3: I I, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Also, I think the cool thing about him is that
Speaker 1: he has like an all black woman team pretty much,
Speaker 1: and he treats all those women great. Because I've worked
Speaker 1: for other people and with other people in the industry
Speaker 1: and it ain't like that it's more of the boy's club.
Speaker 1: I see the boys getting blessed and the woman getting dirty.
Speaker 3: And Charlemagne is very much again an authentic person. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I heard him on a I had a call
Speaker 3: with him for something else, and the other person on
Speaker 3: the other end of the call was very like, what's
Speaker 3: the word I'm looking for, almost like a shell of
Speaker 3: themselves trying to show you how great they are. Charlamagne
Speaker 3: was in a T shirt in South Carolina, I think
Speaker 3: visiting family, or maybe he was outside of his crib,
Speaker 3: but he was like on a chair on a porch,
Speaker 3: just looking like he was chilling, and everybody else is
Speaker 3: suited up, and he's like, y'all are so lucky for
Speaker 3: me to be on this call. Just I could tell
Speaker 3: you that's what he's thinking. And he's so much of
Speaker 3: himself and still giving you gems. And I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: he didn't even feel the need to like do it
Speaker 3: up for some Hollywood people. Yeah, because he knows like this.
Speaker 3: His brand is so raw, and I think we have
Speaker 3: to be that way. We can't try to be the
Speaker 3: person that we think other people would like, because they'll
Speaker 3: smell it just like you do. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: People smell that all day every day. You could be
Speaker 3: a casual listener that's in that YouTube that's like this
Speaker 3: person's a liar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people clock it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And for you to know that as someone that's bringing
Speaker 3: these people in, like I think that says a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Eventually we'll get to the.
Speaker 1: Space where there's like I can actually call bullshit on
Speaker 1: the mic. I'm not there yet, I know, but there
Speaker 1: have been a couple where I'm like, bull shit, what
Speaker 1: about you?
Speaker 3: Being like, there's got to be a.
Speaker 1: Oh I go in and you can tell because they
Speaker 1: won't answer the question. And that's how I know it's bullshit.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, Okay, you're just boying. I'll ask seven
Speaker 1: different ways. I'm like, Okay, I call bullshit, but I
Speaker 1: won't say it on the mic yet. I'm not there yet.
Speaker 3: Plus I gotcha host, They're like, oh, like be there
Speaker 3: for the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then also like there's the uncomfortable space, you know
Speaker 1: with our shows, like we dig into the vulnerability a
Speaker 1: little bit deep, and I like to say to everybody
Speaker 1: it's a safe space. Like if I think there's something
Speaker 1: that you're going to say on our show that I
Speaker 1: think is going to ruin your career or cancel you
Speaker 1: do you don't even have to send your publicists or
Speaker 1: whoever over to like, oh my god, Colleen or beg me,
Speaker 1: I'm going to remove it just on game. I'm just
Speaker 1: you shared your story.
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you. I think that keeping those
Speaker 3: moments like I've seen Megan James, I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: want to talk too much shit. She's spent some money
Speaker 3: about WTS Studio, but there's some clips where I'm like, WHOA, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm kind of surprised you invite someone
Speaker 3: in your space to like do that m h. And
Speaker 3: she's just sticking out of my mind right now. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying she's like a terrible person, but it's a
Speaker 3: it's a style interviewing that works for her. Maybe she's
Speaker 3: on more streams than almost who knows, But like, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I could do it.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about honestly, like Jason Lee, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I feel like some of the stuff he'd
Speaker 1: be doing, I'll be like, well maybe, And I have
Speaker 1: this conversation with little brother all the time, and I'm
Speaker 1: always like, ego, maybe maybe I should sell out, Like
Speaker 1: because I look at such and such kind of like
Speaker 1: how you look at social media, be like, look at
Speaker 1: this person. It's like they're really honestly, like they don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck about anybody's career, you know, and then
Speaker 1: they Jason Lee.
Speaker 3: At Charlemagne back in the day, I'm Magan James. I
Speaker 3: think you know what you're getting when you go on
Speaker 3: the door. Yeah, And I think people almost it's like
Speaker 3: ze Way. People would say, how the fuck does anyone
Speaker 3: keep going on there?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I don't know what ze Way is, but.
Speaker 3: You don't know what she's the black girl that had
Speaker 3: the show on Showtime where she would ask people questions
Speaker 3: and like should Julia Fox. Charlemagne was a guest on there.
Speaker 3: She was her famous one.
Speaker 2: But what was she ask them?
Speaker 3: She would just ask them questions that would make them
Speaker 3: look bad. Oh really, Like she showed Charlemgne a diagram
Speaker 3: and had them point out someone She was like, oh,
Speaker 3: so you think that white people are superior type shit?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, But like it's like she was one of
Speaker 3: those and I think like people prepare themselves for those
Speaker 3: funny Marco. I don't know how people.
Speaker 1: Say what that nes is that the one is where
Speaker 1: the guy just says like insulting things or something kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, because I saw that show and I was like, look,
Speaker 1: I just love that show period.
Speaker 3: But like it's content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's content is very good.
Speaker 3: I think maybe it's just content that I can't make,
Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, it's hard for me to push
Speaker 3: unless I think something's wrong, Like I do Man on
Speaker 3: the Street for my TV show a lot. Yesterday, this
Speaker 3: guy talked about how he had another girl to work
Speaker 3: or do something and I was like, he's black. Oh,
Speaker 3: all kind of girls you day, and he's like, I
Speaker 3: prefer white. And then I can see the camera crewisers
Speaker 3: in the back, like oh, like really, he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just updated a black girl and they're really crazy.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, so have you ever met a Karen?
Speaker 3: He was like, well, I don't think that type of way. Oh,
Speaker 3: but there are crazy white women.
Speaker 1: But basically right now, my future ex husband he loves
Speaker 1: white women. But his thing is that black women's standards
Speaker 1: are are higher or like they're not as easy as
Speaker 1: a white girl, and so he lives for the white girls.
Speaker 2: He lives for that's.
Speaker 3: Literally only cheated, I mean the white women, to the
Speaker 3: point that I was like, you must, yeah, you must,
Speaker 3: you're dating me, So your mom is happy. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then I realized, oh, maybe I was just light skinning up.
Speaker 1: Like, do you This is completely random, but I have
Speaker 1: a pet peeve about dating a guy that only dates
Speaker 1: mixed girls.
Speaker 2: I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I haven't missed.
Speaker 2: I feel like you haven't.
Speaker 3: Only I didn't know, Like you don't know until.
Speaker 2: You don't know, but when you find I know.
Speaker 1: For me, I just feel like there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of colorism issues there, Like dudes that are like I
Speaker 1: only like light skin I'm like, all right, I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's weird. But I started to think when my ex
Speaker 1: husband my future that maybe he maybe he genuinely just
Speaker 1: likes white girls and he's just saying that as like
Speaker 1: a cover up.
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right.
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, she light white in a different light, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: like on some real shit. I think it's kind of
Speaker 3: scary because you really have to clock them as light
Speaker 3: skinn people. You gotta clock them as mixed girls like
Speaker 3: this shit is not cute for like a man that
Speaker 3: you're dating to only date. I had a guy tell
Speaker 3: me once that I was acting dark skin He told
Speaker 3: me it was crazy that my hair wasn't super curly.
Speaker 3: Like most mixed girls. Wow, And he was like, you
Speaker 3: talk different. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't like that. Yeah I don't. I won't.
Speaker 2: I won't.
Speaker 1: Well right now, thank god, I'm like one hundred percent
Speaker 1: focused on not dating, which is this is the longest
Speaker 1: I've ever been seeing.
Speaker 3: That's when they be coming too. I'll be trying to
Speaker 3: act like I'm not focused on dating. I'll walk in
Speaker 3: the club and be like, I'm not looking for anyone.
Speaker 3: I like how you be positioned in it too. I
Speaker 3: want to date so bad, man, but it's it's tough,
Speaker 3: and honestly.
Speaker 1: How do you juggle a breakup with a with a business. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm terrible. If it wasn't for my high school friends
Speaker 1: scooping me off the floor behind closed doors.
Speaker 2: Girl, he's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be okay, you know what I'm saying, Like, I have responsibilities,
Speaker 3: like hate to get more of it. But the only
Speaker 3: things that have kept me from killing myself is my
Speaker 3: dog and my team. And it's not because they're encouraging
Speaker 3: me to stay, you know, and it's like, hey, we
Speaker 3: need you to be alive so we can make money.
Speaker 3: But like, literally I think about them and I'm like
Speaker 3: one of the people that worked for me I recently
Speaker 3: found out used to be homeless and thanks me all
Speaker 3: the time for being able to do things for their
Speaker 3: mother now and like it's fucking wild. I get random
Speaker 3: texts from a lot of our staff at two in
Speaker 3: the morning, love working with you, and I'm like, all
Speaker 3: these niggas is wrong and it's such a good feeling.
Speaker 3: But I think about that. I think about that when
Speaker 3: I'm getting down on myself, like how dare you? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, you are helping all
Speaker 3: of these people. I'm gonna leave my parents alone in
Speaker 3: the world. And when I tell you, my dog no bullshit.
Speaker 3: I was just being trauma queen one day. I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be here anymore. And I looked
Speaker 3: at her. I was like, who's gonna feed me up
Speaker 3: with those little things? Like really got to bring you back.
Speaker 3: But when running those businesses, I'm sure for people that
Speaker 3: are listening that only have themselves, you probably feel like, well,
Speaker 3: who do I fight for? You? Fight for your future self?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right? Everything is momentary. When you're broke, it's momentary. Sometimes
Speaker 3: when you get in a big check, it might be momentary.
Speaker 2: Like everything is.
Speaker 3: Kind of momentary. It's just that feeling that will last
Speaker 3: for a little bit, as strong emotions only for a
Speaker 3: little bit, even when you're crazy in love. It just
Speaker 3: kind of lasts for a period of time. And I
Speaker 3: think that when we're down, we feel like it's the end.
Speaker 3: But you've gotta have faith in your future self.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I'm a personally remember that.
Speaker 1: No, now that I have Zariyah, my daughter, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: if you leave and you the number one gangst the
Speaker 1: soldier for her, ain't nobody gonna go harder for ze
Speaker 1: than you?
Speaker 2: Then then what's she gonna have?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, shit, I guess, I guess that's it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But I do think too though.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you are having a bad day and you
Speaker 1: have all these responsibilities, I'll.
Speaker 2: Be like, well, how can I go? I got like
Speaker 2: sixteen things planned next week that I have to get done.
Speaker 2: I can't even take the one day off.
Speaker 3: This is why they said they all done. There say
Speaker 3: this thing about how you have to have something for
Speaker 3: two week, month, No, I think next days, week or month.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what it is, but it's basically so
Speaker 3: that you don't get to where you feel like you
Speaker 3: have nothing. There has to be something on the calendar,
Speaker 3: whether it be a workout, whether it be a nail,
Speaker 3: something you scheduled for yourself. Even if it's not a trip,
Speaker 3: it's dinner at a cool place. You gotta have something
Speaker 3: because if you don't have that, then you feel hopeless,
Speaker 3: like we need to have those things. My mother actually
Speaker 3: gets like that. My mom's in her seventies. She gets
Speaker 3: so bored.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to bring the riots to your mom.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, baby something to do bad. She does
Speaker 3: it with random people in like restaurants, especially if they're
Speaker 3: like black and cool. Shed just be looking at the baby.
Speaker 3: She won't talk either. She'll just start to do this
Speaker 3: while the mom's eating it's fine, and then keep talking
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, weezy, it was such a good
Speaker 1: time having you that.
Speaker 2: I hope that now that you're in LA, or when
Speaker 2: you pop in LA, you hit me up.
Speaker 1: Please do and hopefully you know if you pass a
Speaker 1: rich dude and you want to pull me to my
Speaker 1: first school, I want to. I want to experience I've
Speaker 1: never done it girl arrangement.
Speaker 2: I will. I'm serious.
Speaker 3: I want to Chuggard at your website.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out and I'm gonna be texting
Speaker 1: you girl. You would not believe it.
Speaker 3: Financial domination, Financial domination. You got to make people feel
Speaker 3: like shiit online and they just send you money for
Speaker 3: doing it.
Speaker 1: Really, I'm gonna I'm gonna look up all these pay picks,
Speaker 1: pay picks, but thank you for taking time out of
Speaker 1: be a crazy schedule to come visit and cook for
Speaker 1: me before we close out? Can you tell everybody all
Speaker 1: the different assets that you have and how to keep
Speaker 1: up with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on tour right now. Horrible Decisions. This is
Speaker 3: our final tours, the climax. We're not breaking up, we
Speaker 3: just really are Like, touring is a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Can't do it. So check us out on her hive
Speaker 3: dot com and Horrible Decisions. Visit if you're an up
Speaker 3: and coming podcaster of a studio in New York and LA.
Speaker 3: It's super affordable. You can literally record for sixty bucks
Speaker 3: if you wanted to, or a thousand if you're rich.
Speaker 3: And my TV show Sex, I was confused stream that
Speaker 3: motherfucker because that's the place that got the most mouthed
Speaker 3: to be so.
Speaker 2: Really just literally sit in streaming not really help. No,
Speaker 2: I want to watch it.
Speaker 3: It's really fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely gonna watch it.
Speaker 3: It's a cute show. I go to a brothel this season.
Speaker 3: It's not out yet, but I've become a processing really.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I sat down with a client.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm definitely watching it was crazy.
Speaker 3: My favorite episode of all time on there was when
Speaker 3: my mom did phone sex. That was crazy.
Speaker 2: I feel like I would be greatest phone sex.
Speaker 3: By the way, maybe you would, it's I would.
Speaker 2: I would be phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Just so I covered the business that does it. She
Speaker 3: teaches women how to keep them on the phone.
Speaker 2: And like, I was in a celibate relationship, so I
Speaker 2: will say.
Speaker 3: I just got out of a smular relationship.
Speaker 2: Really, I hated it, and I absolutely hated it.
Speaker 1: I have hundred and then I got with my husband,
Speaker 1: who was like the opposite, just a SuperH and I
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 2: This is the best.
Speaker 1: But it came out of a celibate relationship and ran
Speaker 1: right to the opposite.
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, you need to do it three times
Speaker 3: a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But thank y'all for tuning in to another episode of
Speaker 1: Eating while Broke.
Speaker 2: I'm your girl. Colleen, and this is Wheezy Bye, y'all.
Speaker 3: Bys.
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