WEBVTT - Big Time Break-Ups 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.320 Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:10.920 We're back from Boston, New York. I'm kind of feeling 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.360 withdrawals a little bit, are you. Yeah? I know yesterday 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:20.040 I texted you both separately. You did Hi. It's such 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.640 a high and then when you get back it's always 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:27.840 like amah. So it is a lot of peopling. Yeah, 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:29.880 oh yeah. I didn't want to speak. Still don't really 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:34.680 want to speak. That's problematic. That is for the next minutes. 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.440 I saved it for today. Yeah, it's crazy because we 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.880 travel together, we hotel together, we podcasted while we were there, 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.920 but then we also people with your people m and 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:48.839 like I have you hug but I didn't have to. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.080 I get to do the meet and greets before and 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.080 then after the show. So it's a lot. Yeah too, 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.600 And you're taking on a lot of deep information. That's 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.680 one thing that I kind of have realized this time. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.520 I was like, wow, I don't know how you've done 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:04.480 this this well. I think one of the girls, because 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:06.240 I had this one girl she was so sweet and 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.360 boss that she was crying telling a near story and oh, 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:17.320 Alan ding Ding, I goes the boyfriend ding Dong in London, England. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:23.039 So I yeah, So she was like crying. The next 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:24.840 girl goes, this must be a lot for you, and 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.039 I said, you know what I said, because the meeting 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.600 groots are what like thirty forty five minutes and then 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.800 after the show obviously was staying for however long, which 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.560 I love meeting everybody and hearing stories. I love all that. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.240 And I told her, I said, there's so many mean, nasty, 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.919 not not There's so many There are obviously some things. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.160 When you open yourself up to things, you get negative comments. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.600 But I often question myself, well why do I Why 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.680 am I still doing this? And then I go, but 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.040 this is why, because I hear these people's stories and 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.320 how it's helped, and so that makes me feel happy. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.800 How we make them laugh, how you know they relate 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.240 to you, how they relate to you, and so I 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.480 think that's the piece where I'm like, Okay, this is 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.400 this is why like this and these weekends helped me 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.120 realize what we're doing is for good. It's really special 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.680 because you get to hug them. Yeah, Like I just 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.639 really like to hug and it was along two years 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.679 of non hugging, so I feel like I'm a hugg 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.799 around the loose, but I just want to hold people 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.600 and hear and touch their faces. I have to rain 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.120 you in after the catch, like are you done over here? 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.400 I'm like, cheek to cheek, minus sneaky reporters that try 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.760 and come and come to a show like that was 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.760 just so crappy. Okay, So I wasn't sure if you 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.880 wanted to talk about that. Well, and I'm still confused 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.520 by the whole thing a little bit. So it was 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.040 interesting because I met this person, so you knew it 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.400 was a reporter, well, I knew where she worked. I mean, 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.919 I'm assuming unless there was another one there that I 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.280 didn't meet, But she came with her mom, and I, 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.600 you know, just I was like so like I'd kept 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:55.320 telling her how proud I was of her making this 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.480 big choice and moving to a big city, and she 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.239 said it was a culture shock, and all these things 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.000 just interesting. Yeah, because those shows obviously are not recorded 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.320 and they're meant to be you know, we give them 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:11.560 a little more tea than we'd give them on this podcast, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.640 but it's also a deeper level intimate exactly. And that's 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.280 the part where I'm like, in a way, I was 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.679 like felt a little violated and I was like, yeah, 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.760 I was. It was hurt that they went and that 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:28.440 publication especially are so disgustingly low with how I mean, 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.079 for example, they had someone parked outside my house, like 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:37.360 they're just they're a nasty, ugly site, yeah, for just drama. 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.720 And I'm like, I just I despise the fact that 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.080 she was even an audience. Oh yeah. I thought about 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.160 this last night though, because I was like I felt 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.560 a little hurt. Yeah, you know, like that violation you're 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.760 talking about, Like I was like, shame on you, Like 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.640 this is our special time with special people, like good people, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.680 where we like talk about really deep stuff. Yeah, and 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:00.680 we all share and we all cry and we all laugh. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.440 But then I was like, you know what, we're getting closer. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.040 That's all that is. Like when you play in the arena, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.640 do you ever read the burnet Brown? Is the Teddy 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.560 Roosevelt que quote that she always talks about about when 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.720 you are in the arena. And so this is just 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.400 one of those things where I was like, you know what, 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.480 not today say you get out of here. This is 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.480 our special time. Yeah, And I think that's the thing too, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.640 because I'm like I love going on those tours and 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.520 being so open and like not having the censor because 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.960 I don't censor a lot on here. You know, I 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.440 censor some things that I don't want to be on 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.200 US Weekly. And it wasn't from US Weekly. They're actually 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.400 classier than this other place, um, you know, from this 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.120 other So it's like there's certain things I just don't 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.400 want out there. And so at the shows, I'm like, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.599 you know what, these are my people. They've they've like, 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.040 there are people they've followed along with us, and so 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.960 they can get a little snippet. I mean, I say 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:57.039 more of them. I sure out there. We go to 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.760 DC in Philly, I'm like, because I'm like, what, you know, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.120 what reporter from that trash mag is going to come 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.719 maybe whatever. Yeah, we're going to figure it out. Yeah, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.720 we've just got to give no more attention to them. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.760 I think it's interesting though, because I was talking to 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:14.000 Alan and he was just saying, you just honestly can't 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.200 trust anyone, And that like makes me sad, I know, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.760 because again it's like, I like the fact that we've 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.520 created this really special. It's so special because there's so 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.560 many tears and laughter. It's it's just like that's the 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.719 special is like the best word to put it, Like, 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.480 it's so sacred to me. Yeah, but you also want 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.200 them to feel safe, right, Like I was thinking about 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:37.920 that one girl in New York who had a very 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.479 personal question to ask if that were to be And 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.240 I know they're just picking up what you're saying, but 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.280 you never know like they I mean, you want our 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.760 people that are there to feel safe to ask questions. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.240 And that's just fair. And that's what makes it so 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.200 cool out there is that they do feel that way, 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.440 and we feel that way. Like I don't talk about 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:58.520 hardly anything personal really like oh gosh, but when I'm 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.360 out there, I say a couple, okay, and that's the thing. Yeah, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.839 we let it, We let it fly and ride because 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:05.520 we're just we can just have fun and it can 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.039 safe yes yeah to say yeah very girlfriend dye. And 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:10.800 it's like we want people to feel say to that 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.160 and yeah during our Q and A is when that 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.000 a few of those questions were asked. But it's like, again, 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.360 I felt safe to just be silly and fun and 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.159 also and so do you guys, And so it's just 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:25.680 I was like that was so disappointed, I know, but 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:38.799 it does not shock me because they're the worst. Hey everyone, 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.800 it's Bethany Frankel. We are reliving the best moments from 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.560 all the seasons of the Real Housewives on my new 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.039 podcast Rewives. 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You did? I did? Okay, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.880 I have funny hands. Would anyone like to start on 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.360 the rundown of the hot topics? I would like to 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.760 avoid one if possible. Oh, I wonder which one you 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:56.880 could avoid Let's start with m m okay, hot topic 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:58.320 number one. We're just gonna go because this is let's 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.920 gets sent to us. Kelsey beller recalls sleeping on the 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.680 couch and many a night and mid marriage issues with 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.880 Morgan Evans. Kelsey Bellerini's reflecting on the painful moments that 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.600 led to her split from fellow country star Morgan Evans. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.000 She went on call her daddy, who are you guys? 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.360 I'm like so obsessed with Alexander Alexander Cooper, So we 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.360 follow each other on Instagram and like sometimes I liked you. EMM, 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:23.880 she doesn't see him or she doesn't choose. Yeah, I know, 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.559 I just I love her. I think she's so she's 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:30.040 like a Barbara Walter's vibe, like a cool vibe where 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.880 she goes there and I love it. And but she's 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:37.319 like the new Age. Okay, do you have thoughts? I 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.520 hate this topic. Okay, well then I'm going to keep 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:50.040 going so interesting. In a clip from episode, Ballerini took 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.319 work for a long time, or call sleepless nights. I think, what? 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:58.079 I what? What? The one the thing that I ended up, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.400 which she said was she She mentioned that he took 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.120 half the house that he didn't pay for, and she 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.040 she was shocked, and I'm trying not to misquote, but 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:14.800 basically that the person, how did she not know that 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:19.440 that existed in that person? That, um, what's the word? 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.760 Guys like out here he's all like him, the fact 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.280 that he could take half the house that he didn't buy, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.160 so that he That's what she said, And I'm trying 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.560 to find the quote exactly, but i didn't see it 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.040 in here. I think it was on the podcast, like 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:40.360 she felt blindsided by like it was that it was 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.600 an actual quote that she said on the thing, So 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.280 I just want to make sure I quote it, but 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:49.800 she just said that she didn't she felt so how 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.280 could he take half the house like that? That he 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.199 had that character to take half of the How did 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:59.000 she not know that before? And uh, you know, I 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.160 mean I could definitely relate in a way where there 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.679 was a lot of anger. Obviously when I divorced my X, 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.440 I'm like having to pay alimony or a lump sum, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.880 and then now I pay him child support. That's hard, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.400 and that anger has subsided because at the end of 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.040 the day, it's like I just have to think, Okay, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.520 it's for my kids. Now having said that, it's it's 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.720 very difficult. Also, I look at it and go, okay, well, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.400 this is what happens in divorce. Unfortunately this sucks. And 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:36.000 whether he paid half or or you know, um or didn't, 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.000 I mean I don't. I don't think my X was 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:44.760 entitled everything that he got. But unfortunately that was, you know, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.520 the what happened. And you know, the I didn't want 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.520 to go to court fight a post up and because 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.120 yes she had a pre nup post up, that's stuff 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.800 at the end of the day, doesn't really go in court. 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.240 So when I remember fighting with my um with Max 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:58.640 about He's like, I'm going to fight the post up 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.079 and I'm like, but you know, my lawyer is like, 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.040 well he technically could win. I'm like, then why sign 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.600 a paper if it's not even gonna work, you know. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.160 So but one day it's like, all right, It's like, 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.000 I'd rather what spend a year fighting in court or 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.760 just pay them and you know, pay child support whatever, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.960 cut my losses. My issue with the whole thing. And 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.199 I've said this, I've even said this to you when 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.280 you were frustrated with yours. If the roles were reversed, 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:29.040 men do that all the time for women. So I'm 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.600 gonna Devil's advocate with you this though. Here's the problem. 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.000 I have my kids seventy percent, so you would think 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.800 that I wouldn't have to pay that much child for 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.959 child support. But I'm talking about paying half the house. Oh, 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.160 but that's that's where I just think in that area. 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.040 So yeah, my anger probably lies more with like child support. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.280 So with that, I agree, like, yeah, it's a marital asset. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.000 It's just how the cookie crumbles with that. It is, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.240 but it is and child support, I mean again, yeah 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.280 a little bit. You know, on the other foot, if 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.200 it was fifty fifty, right, if it's fifty fifty and 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.360 someone can't afford to pay to live that lifestyle, man 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.800 or woman, That's my thing is I think it should 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.280 be treated the same man or woman, and I think 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.360 we naturally when it's the woman happening to pay off 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.600 the man, it just feels different. And I even think, 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.280 I mean even Nick has said this before. He's like, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.000 it just feels different when it's a man taking a 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.040 woman's money. And I'm like, but it's how is it different? 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.319 Because there's a Because I've talked to a few guys 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.520 about this. He's like, I wouldn't. There's a I would 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.520 never take your money. Yeah, that's what Nick says too. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:34.560 And even like you know whatever, he would say, like 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.280 I wouldn't. If we were, I would never, But you don't. 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.120 You don't know at the end of the day, when 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:44.240 someone's in that situation what they're going to Actually you don't. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:51.480 And at the end of the days too, that's tricky. Well, 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.080 And when it comes to money, like I think you 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.720 get in panic mode. I mean, I remember when we 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.640 were going we hadn't even filed and we were going 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.679 through all these things. I was in panic mode. Am 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.760 I going to be able to afford my bills? Am 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.880 I going to be able to afford? And I threatened 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.520 to take things that I normally would not do. But 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.400 I think you just have to recognize that, like for 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.560 the person that makes less money, it is scary, and 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.520 I think, man or woman, it's scary, and you don't 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.679 know what was tabled on the back end or inside 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.760 of the marriage for that person to make less money, Like, yeah, 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.920 I make a lot of less money than my husband, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.160 but you know, if that was to be our situation, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.840 I would need I mean I've tabled. I've been a 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.280 stay at a mom, not saying Morgan was a stay 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.000 at home dad, but like there's just so much even 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.520 in the career in industry that like we the three 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.080 of us, will never know what happened inside the house. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.920 She continued to go on with the career, and you know, well, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.880 that's the thing I don't there's so much speculation, right, 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.360 And it's like there's two sides, and then there's the truth, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.280 three sides, right, and then there's two sides of the truth. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:58.439 And so I can relate in understand and have empathy 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.360 for her on the side where she's worked her ass 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:06.200 off where and it's hard when someone walks away with 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.440 something of their hard work. So it's like when I 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.560 had to write the check to Mike, I'm like, it 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.400 was painful because I've never worked harder in the last 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.000 few years. And it's like I gave you, like what 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.160 this is so not fair and you sat and played 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.360 video games and you know, and I'm not saying he 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.720 wasn't not doing anything, either Morgan or whatever, but like 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.480 that's I feel that my ex. Yeah, Like I was like, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.040 are you kid? Is this for real? Right? Yeah? So 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.240 you would think that they would have more character to 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.680 say or but again that's where it's like the white, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:41.840 black and white of divorce is. Well, they are technically owed, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.640 not owed, but that's as an asset. Yeah, it's also 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.120 tricky because when this all happened, Morgan came out pretty 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.600 quickly with a single that was his heart on a 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.600 piece of paper, and he's saying this ballad I believe 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.480 about the divorce indirectly about the divorce, and Kelsey kind 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.600 of just laid loaf from what eyewitness. Again, I haven't 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.720 been scrolling. This is difficult because we're friends with both 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.080 of them. Okay, so I only I've never I met 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:10.640 Morgan once twice I know, obviously more Kelsey. Yeah. Well yeah, 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.320 it's just tricky for me because I like them both 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:18.600 and love I love them both individually, and I don't know, truthfully, 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.960 like hand on Bible, I don't know the ins and 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.640 outs of any of this. I just know that I've 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.320 always loved and supported Kelsey. My husband is friends with 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.400 Morgan and knows that he's a really great dude, and 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.080 so I've and we're not like this isn't a side 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.120 thing anyways. I just really love the shot of her. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.680 But I have I think what's hard is that all 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.960 of a sudden it's getting like stirred back up again 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.800 because now she's come out with this project that is well, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.880 so I don't think it's the project. So I think 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.760 because I remember I saw Morgan's DM or not Morgan 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:53.600 Morgan's post about you know, basically her call, everyone's thinking like, well, 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.800 you release songs, she can release EP. It's not the 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.560 EP that's the issue. It's what she said on called 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.840 her daddy. Yeah, that is stirring things up for because 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.640 it's I mean again basically calling him out for taking 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.000 something that he didn't pay for it. Well, the blind 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:09.880 sided piece of all of it has been a big 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.320 talking point. So do you think it's Do you think 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:18.480 her going on there and saying that was the right move? 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.760 I don't think there's a right or wrong. Honestly, I 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.320 would say that she has a lot of good people 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.400 around her that I would think would advise her if 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.320 they didn't think that that was something that needed to 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.920 be done. Likes too, She has such a she is isolated, 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.440 well good Both of them actually have really good friends 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.200 and people around them that I don't think would allow 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:46.000 them to do anything that would be like, I don't 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.400 think she did it to be hurtful, is my gut. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.960 Probably feels good to get some truth out there, her 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.800 own truth, because she didn't say too much after it 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:01.000 all happened. She kind of just girl gained hard and 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:05.400 then hung out, which I think you can. I think 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.040 you can relate a little bit, you know, to wanting 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.600 to get your truth out there. Yeah. I think they're 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.520 taking a minute to do it too, which I like 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.440 because it's a lot of people are like, oh, she's trashing. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.399 I'm like, I don't think it's I think it's I 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.919 think it's anger because of course she's angry, just like 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.160 I was angry. Yeah, And so that piece if that's 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.280 and like he said, if that's your way appealing, then 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.440 go for it. Well, it also is hard because it's 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.679 like he releases this song, she doesn't say much. She 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.000 continues to be successful, So like, I know, that's one 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.760 speculation that I got when when I got divorced from 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.560 X was that I had gotten this big career and 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.359 I had forgotten about and I moved on and I 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.520 wanted to go dat an artist. It was like all 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.760 these things that were said about me that were untrue. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.639 But I had to like stomach it and not have 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.760 a place to say it because I just was like, well, 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.280 I mean, I can scream it from the rooftops, does 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.919 that do me any good? Like, I know my truth, 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.480 I know whose I am, I know the story. So 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.560 I had to just stay there. But it's got to 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:09.160 be a little bit frustrating to watch, to write the check, 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.840 to watch a single come out to hear that would 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.840 be hard, Yeah, and then not have said it yet, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.240 you know. And from everybody's perception, which is where things 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.240 get slippery, it looks like she's living her best life 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.120 and she's out on tours and she's getting these big things. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:24.560 But she's all she's got a new boyfriend and she 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.359 basically said too that she's not single and she's chase 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.280 and yeah, and that's what I mean. I've kind of 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.879 always thought this because we she she's just I mean, 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.800 she's young, and she's learned, she's learning all the lost. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:38.359 She is a good person, Like I just want to 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.200 say that out lot. Of course she is. They're both 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.760 good people, I know. And I think the divorce brings 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.640 out anger, it brings out resentment, it brings out all 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.800 of it, and so and both truth want to be hurt. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.639 And I sent her a little thing just being like, 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:57.119 just don't let the anger um sting too much because 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.840 it's like that piece was the hardest piece for me 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:04.959 to to overcome with my X was the paying and 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.600 you know the all I mean, just and what he did, 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.000 and so I think that those those pieces were the 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.520 hardest to get through. And it's like once and you 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.320 have a choice to let that anger sit in you 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.879 and stew over it or move on and just speak 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.080 your truth. But there's a difference, you know what I mean, 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.280 Like I feel like I speak now in hopes of helping, 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.320 not of hurting and being angry, if that makes sense. Yeah, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.000 Like even when I did table talk, I was like, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.080 it's genuinely because I know, you know, obviously the X 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.439 wasn't too happy about that, but it was also my 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:40.520 truth and trying to help. And so yeah, everyone has 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.880 a right to their truth, right, I mean they do. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.120 And public divorces, I just want to go on record, person, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:52.960 I never envy ever, because it's just so layered and 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.520 so unfair, and it's so noisy that it's already a 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.280 noisy enough dark enough chapter for a lot of people. 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:07.800 That just seems unfair, he said. She SAIDs like are tough. Tough. Yeah, 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.360 Christ and Cavalary reveals she's been approached by a lot 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.120 of married men after Jay cutler divorce breaks down why 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.879 she's not ready for relationship. US Weekly wrote an article 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.439 that since her divorce, clearly I'm already relationship because I'm 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:25.440 attracting all of these unavailable men and young men and 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.560 young men. I mean, because I think she was hanging 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:35.920 out with m Tyler Cameron, whose thing is younger. I mean, 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:37.760 here's the things, like props to her for going like 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.720 knowing that she's not ready for a relationship, you know, 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.920 especially if you're still like if you're attracting like those 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:45.800 kind of people, like I was attracting the same cast 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:51.080 that I did last year, then obviously something there's something 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.199 in me not wanting to like move forward to the 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.239 next chapter. I think it's great she can recognize that 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.040 and to put it back on her, like literally look 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.720 at her and what she's doing, because I think that's 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.159 hard to do in the moment. Especially. Yeah, it's like 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.480 you look back and they were all unavailable, and she 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.720 really enjoyed when she was like, I tried younger men, 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.159 and I just feel like I just need someone more 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.320 established and now there's some truth that I can really 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.919