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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Noriy with you,

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Speaker 2: Chris Fleming with us. Chris, do you attribute prayer exclusively

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Speaker 2: to beating this?

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Speaker 3: What do you think? Well, I think it's also it's

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Speaker 3: also my state of mind. Yeah, because like I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: you know, being in the hospital, I'm like, I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to succumb to this like I'm a victim or

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Speaker 3: anything like that. So by me being kind to everybody

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Speaker 3: that came in, you know, some of the nurses would

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Speaker 3: come in. I noticed I say, are you okay? You're

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Speaker 3: doing okay? Like, yeah, I'm doing fine. You're you're asking

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Speaker 3: me if okay you're the one in here with cancer.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was a thing of I wanted to

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Speaker 3: make sure that everybody came in was appreciated. And for me,

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Speaker 3: it was like if I have this attitude because I'd

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Speaker 3: watch other people that had cancer and they just sit

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Speaker 3: in the room watching TV like a zombie or you know,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't really talk to anybody because obviously they're suffering mentally

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Speaker 3: or physically. I'm like, I'm not I'm not gonna do

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Speaker 3: that because if I do that, then I think I

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Speaker 3: lose the battle and then it takes me over. And

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Speaker 3: when they do the chemo, I would meditate. I would

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Speaker 3: sit there, go okay. I would talk to all my cells.

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Speaker 3: I close my eyes. I said, cells, listen, you got this.

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Speaker 3: These navy seals coming into my body. They're going to

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Speaker 3: start shooting up everything. But what you got to do

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Speaker 3: is get out of the way and point to them

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Speaker 3: where the cancer is and tell them this is where

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Speaker 3: the cancer is. Let them do their job. Some of

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Speaker 3: you are going to die in the way, but you'll

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Speaker 3: be reborn later, rejuvenated the cells. I said, but you

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Speaker 3: got to let this foreign invader come in and destroy it.

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Speaker 3: So every time they did the infusion with the chemo

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Speaker 3: going into me, I would sit there and lay there

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Speaker 3: and just focus on that, and I tell my body,

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Speaker 3: I said, listen, there's I know the cancer. You're in

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Speaker 3: my body, but you don't have permission to be there.

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Speaker 3: I said, you've done your you know whatever it is

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Speaker 3: you're teaching me, whatever you're doing, you're doing it. But

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Speaker 3: you can't stay. You have to go. And that was

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Speaker 3: just the attitude that I had because I realized I

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Speaker 3: would lose if I didn't, if I had it a different.

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Speaker 2: Way and was fearful. Were the doctors in shock at

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Speaker 2: your recovery?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, watching my doctor walk in and her face.

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Speaker 3: And you know, in comparison, there's a friend of mine,

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Speaker 3: Dan Olson, I went to college with and I played

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Speaker 3: football with. He actually blocked for me because I was

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Speaker 3: a running back at Bloyd College. And when I was

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Speaker 3: in the first week, my offensive coordinator offensive line coach

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Speaker 3: texted me and he said, hey, Dan Olsen has cancer too.

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Speaker 3: I go what I said, give me his number. So

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Speaker 3: gave me his number. I called him up and lo

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Speaker 3: and behold. Dan had the same doctor, was going to

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Speaker 3: the same hospital, same nurses, and he had the same

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Speaker 3: type of cancer I had. And unfortunately he passed away

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Speaker 3: in March. The cancer. You know, he had beat it

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Speaker 3: and it came right back. Two months later. He had

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Speaker 3: a bone marrow transplant. It was working. Then it failed

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Speaker 3: and his immune system got so weak and went into

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Speaker 3: hospice and he died a week later. I mean it

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Speaker 3: was for me because it was a little bit of

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Speaker 3: survivor revote remorse. You know, we talked every single week

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Speaker 3: on the phone and motivated each other. You know what

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Speaker 3: kind of what was it like this week? What'd you

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Speaker 3: go through? What nurse or doctor did you see? But

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Speaker 3: I'm very fortunate that I got to go to his

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Speaker 3: and I said, Dan, you know the angels are going

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Speaker 3: to be there for you. You know I'm going to

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Speaker 3: beat this too, and I'm going to live on for you,

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Speaker 3: and I'll see your brother when you know, when my

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Speaker 3: time comes, I'll see you on the other side. And

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Speaker 3: he says, he swore, He says, I'm trying to f

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Speaker 4: Did your paranormal experience help you, well?

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Speaker 3: You know what's interesting about that, George's I was having

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Speaker 3: all these experiences prior to them injecting the chemo. As

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Speaker 3: soon as I got the chemotherapy, the side terra beIN

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Speaker 3: time in my life, everything was quiet. I heard no voices,

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Speaker 3: in a month or two, there was nothing and it

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Speaker 3: was probably the most peaceful time I've had because everything

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Speaker 3: then as the chemo would start to fade, and before

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Speaker 3: and I'm actually I feel like I'm more perceptive of

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Speaker 3: because it's very distracting. But there was a couple of

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Speaker 3: things if you'd like me to share with you that

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Speaker 3: happened when I got to the hospital. Is my buddy Brad.

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Speaker 3: Brad does a lot of deliverance and exorcisms with Father

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Speaker 3: Mike who's in Indiana, and Father Mike was on the

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Speaker 3: I've got to be friends with Father Mike and Brad's

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Speaker 3: one of his best friends, so Brad's become my best friend.

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Speaker 3: And Brad was always taking me to the hospital. Well,

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Speaker 3: Brad took me that day in August twenty third. We

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Speaker 3: waited an emergency for a couple hours. They came in.

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Speaker 3: They put me on a gurney. They said, we got

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Speaker 3: So they have these underground tunnels at Northwestern, which is

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Speaker 3: pretty cool. And we're going through this underground tunnel. And

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Speaker 3: the first thing is, it reminds me of if anybody

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Speaker 3: Because the lights were kind of dim, and as we

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Speaker 3: And it looked like something I'd have scrooged with the

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Speaker 3: ghost of Future Past or whatever. It was almost like

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Speaker 3: the grim Reaper but there's no skull face, and there's

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Speaker 3: It's like, Chris, I saw something like what you see.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I think I saw death. I'm like, what, wow,

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Speaker 3: I saw too. How the hell did you see that?

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Speaker 3: That night, I go to sleep and I'm woking up

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Speaker 3: but then there was nothing there. No, I'm not hallucining. No, no,

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Speaker 3: She's like, oh my god. She goes wait right here.

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Speaker 3: another thing that happened. Well that day, a guy comes

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Speaker 3: I said, right here, on this corner, right here. He's like,

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Speaker 3: go why. He's like, because on the other side of

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Speaker 3: the walls the morc.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you're kidding me. He's like, no, this is

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Speaker 3: the mordwing. So I was seeing all these bodies because

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Speaker 3: that's the mark. Now we take a left, we go

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, the emergency doorway swings open halfway and

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Speaker 3: slam shut really hard bam. And I go, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: did you see that? He goes, Yep, that's just the beginning.

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Speaker 3: I see that all the time. And I said, and

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Speaker 3: he goes, He goes, why are you so happy about that?

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Speaker 3: I said, because you were talking about that. It's not

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Speaker 3: stuff like that that was happening. Another time, there's a

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Speaker 3: shadow that appeared on the edge of the door. The

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Speaker 3: the morning, you know, and she raced out there and

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Speaker 3: I had a dream one morning. Little girl name was Vivian.

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Speaker 3: And I told her the story. She goes, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: Were you ever at a point doubtful that you were

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Speaker 4: going to pull through?

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Speaker 3: I looked at it this way because I remember when

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Speaker 3: I had the near death experience in twenty ten. I

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Speaker 3: was standing there in front of the guide and I

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Speaker 3: told the guy I wanted to go to he I

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Speaker 3: wanted to go through that next level. I was in

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Speaker 3: this void. You were right, he wanted me to go back.

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Speaker 3: I was ready then, but I was not ready this time.

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Speaker 3: I said, no, there's still stuff that I want to do,

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Speaker 3: want to go back, and I'm going to fight to

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Speaker 3: tell God I need to come back, you know, and

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Speaker 3: it's free will I need to come back. So that

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