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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Caitlyn Armstrong remember that name?

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Speaker 1: I sure do. Do you remember the name Mariah Wilson,

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Speaker 1: a twenty five year old world class biker. Well, she

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Speaker 1: was murdered and now scorned lover. Caitlyn Armstrong's defense team

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Speaker 1: is fighting back against murder claims guns a blazing, using

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Speaker 1: every single trick in the book, including demanding that crucial

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Speaker 1: also branding the entire murder investoration as misogynistic and basically

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Speaker 1: labeling all the police, all the Texas Rangers, the investigators

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Speaker 1: as women haters. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Serious XM one eleven. First of all, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to the so called scorned lover or Caitlin Armstrong's

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Speaker 1: lawyer or defense lawyers speaking to our friends at Dateline.

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Speaker 1: The crux of law enforcement's theory. From within the first

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours of this case, they had decided that

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn Armstrong is a crazy, jealous person who, in a

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Speaker 1: Kate Armstrong is predicated on a deeply misogynistic view of her.

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Speaker 1: M I wonder if the murder weapon being in her

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to the defense lawyer, pretty good lawyer too,

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Speaker 1: Rick Coefer speaking to our friends in NBC. So this

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Speaker 1: dark colored sut h, that's where the detective really wants

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Speaker 1: to start to hang this horrible crime on Klin Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: There's no evidence presented ever of a license plate on

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Speaker 1: Cooper said, that can to be Caitlin in the g

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Speaker 1: for one simple reason. You can't be in two places

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Speaker 1: at once. That's is kind of some simple maths. Simple math. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they taught math and law school.

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Speaker 1: But is he going to get away with this? Is

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Speaker 1: this lawyer again, pretty good lawyer, Rick Koefer actually able?

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Speaker 1: Is he able to convince a jury that it looks

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Speaker 1: like a duck, It walks like a duck, it quacks

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Speaker 1: listen to more. You're saying that she wasn't in the

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Speaker 1: implies that you have proof. I expect this the government's

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Speaker 1: own evidence will quit. Kaylen Armstrong. They just haven't looked

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Speaker 1: at it. Kaylin Armstrong is not guilty, and if this

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Speaker 1: it before trial, she will be found not guilty. I've

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Speaker 1: got an all star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know right now, including Dave matt with Crime onlam

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Speaker 1: with the very latest in the investigation. But first to

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Speaker 1: comes in handy because for some reason, even though she

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Speaker 1: obviously according to her lawyer, didn't do it, she took

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Speaker 1: steered us through finding her there. Wow, is that her

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Speaker 1: sister's passport she was using? Okay, that's a whole nother

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Speaker 1: dot com erv. Don't you love it when a defense

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Speaker 1: attorney or a suspect is pressed for hard evidence such as, well,

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Speaker 1: she can't be at two places at one time, the

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Speaker 1: timeline doesn't fit. She has an airtight alibi, and you

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Speaker 1: airtight alibi. You're going to prove she was somewhere else?

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Speaker 1: Why not tell us, well, it's true, Nancy, As you know,

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Speaker 1: She was eating like beans out of a can. That's

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Speaker 1: going a long way to hide your nose. Job it is,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna it's not gonna work out. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: hold on, let me go to brother under the skin

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Speaker 1: of the defense attorney Matthew Mangino, former district attorney form

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Speaker 1: a parole board. I don't like that all of the

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Speaker 1: executioner's toll, highly respected lawyer Matthew him and Gino. You

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Speaker 1: see where this is going. But don't you love it?

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Speaker 1: When the defense or the defendant goes, I have an alibi,

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Speaker 1: it's all like gibberish coming out of their mouth. This

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Speaker 1: I thought he lost credibility. I think, Nancy, when you

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Speaker 1: But you open yourself up to exactly what you're saying, well, well,

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Speaker 1: for an Austin woman accused of killing cyclist Mariah Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong filed what's called a Frank's motion. This is

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Speaker 1: That's what they're talking about. It's not unclear, it's very clear.

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Speaker 1: through after multiple shootings. Well, it's a horrifying experiences, as

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Speaker 1: you see the explosion. You hear the explosion, but you

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Speaker 1: don't feel the first bullet wound. It's very shocking. It

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Speaker 1: takes a while for the body to react to that.

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Speaker 1: When she received the second and third bullet wound. Now

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Speaker 1: the body is reacting to the pain. It is extremely painful.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, the organs now are they're hemorrhaging,

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Speaker 1: They're bleeding, They're bleeding inside. The lungs are filling up

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Speaker 1: with blood, and you slowly develop difficulty breathing. All of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you cannot capture your breath. You start gasping

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Speaker 1: for air, and your consciousness slowly slips away from you.

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Speaker 1: You slip into un consciousness and eventually you will die

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Speaker 1: several minutes later. I think that is why she went

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Speaker 1: on the run because of what happened to Mariah. Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Dave mac Crime online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Dave, please outline the evidence the state is

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Speaker 1: amassing against Caitlin Armstrong. This is anything but a misogynistic

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Speaker 1: case put together by a cabal of women haters. If

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Speaker 1: anything is misogynistic, it's one woman gunning down another woman

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Speaker 1: over a scorned lover. I just go ahead. We have

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Speaker 1: the gun. We have the prospective gun. Actually, Colin Strickland

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Speaker 1: bought two guns, one specifically for Caitlin Armstrong. They found

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Speaker 1: that gun, and they found ammunition or the shellcasings rather

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Speaker 1: that Armstrong was known to have. We have Armstrong's vehicle,

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Speaker 1: the Gee Grand Cherokee, that was actually seen sixty seconds

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Speaker 1: after Moe Wilson got home that evening. We have that

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Speaker 1: evidence that she took off right away. You know, she's

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Speaker 1: known to sell the vehicle on May thirteenth. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: got the shooting May eleventh, May twoff, the police talk

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Speaker 1: to her. May thirteenth, she sells the Grand Cherokee for

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Speaker 1: twelveth grand to a dealership there in town. We also

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Speaker 1: know that her boyfriend, Colin Strickland, had given her four

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars as an investment into a business

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Speaker 1: and had asked her to return that money. She didn't,

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Speaker 1: so she still had that money plus the money from

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Speaker 1: know that she of course went to Newark. We know

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Speaker 1: that she met up with her sister out in the

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Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. She then escapes using a different passport

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Speaker 1: to go to Costa Rica, where she stayed there under

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Speaker 1: different aliases. We know that she used Beth Martin, Martin

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Speaker 1: the crime. We know she has a gun that matches

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Speaker 1: the description with the shellcave things, and we see that

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Fox seven our

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Speaker 1: cut one. Police are investigating a suspicious death in East Auston.

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Speaker 1: This happened on Maple Avenue near East seventeenth Street overnight.

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Speaker 1: her house unresponsive and there was blood near her. When

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Speaker 1: officers arrived, they found the victim had gunshot wounds. Avas

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Speaker 1: provided life saving measures, but the woman later died from

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Speaker 1: her injuries. Police do not know how long she was

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Speaker 1: inside the home, but did call her death suspicious. It

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Speaker 1: is unclear if a gun was found on see the

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Speaker 1: the defendant, Kaitlin Armstrong, UGA teacher resided and more from

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Speaker 1: Fox seven Our Cut two. So now we're learning the

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Speaker 1: victim of a deadly shooting in East Auston earlier this

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Speaker 1: week was a well known cyclist who was supposed to

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Speaker 1: take part in a mountain bike race in the Hill

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Speaker 1: Country today. Anna Wilson, better known by her middle name Mariah,

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Speaker 1: was pronounced dead on Wednesday night at home on Maple

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Speaker 1: Avenue near Eighteenth Street. Austin. Police were called there after

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Speaker 1: a friend of Wilson's returned home to find the twenty

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Speaker 1: five year old unconscious with gunshot wounds. APD has identified

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Speaker 1: a person of interest and does not believe the shooting

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Speaker 1: was random. They're urging anyone with information or video of

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Speaker 1: what happened to give them a call now. According to

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Speaker 1: the cycling magazine at Vello, Wilson was in Texas ahead

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Speaker 1: of today's gravel locost Race and Hiko, where she was

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Speaker 1: a favorite to win. Vello published a statement from her

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Speaker 1: family saying she was quote always pushing tirelessly to reach

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Speaker 1: her goals. We knew she was pursuing that which she loved,

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Speaker 1: the family adding we know Mariah would want the event

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Speaker 1: to carry on. Well, that's all well and good, But

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Speaker 1: what allegedly led yoga instructor and a glamorous yoga instructor

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Speaker 1: at that into a rage? A murderous rage. Take a

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Speaker 1: listener for at crime online dot com and Our Cut twenty.

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Speaker 1: Colin Strickland picked Anna Wilson up for their swim date

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Speaker 1: Armstrong at eight thirty six pm. His text message said, hey,

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Speaker 1: are you out? Went to drop some flowers for Alison

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Speaker 1: at her son's house up north and my phone died.

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Speaker 1: Heading home unless you have another food suggestion, Strickland lied

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Speaker 1: to his girlfriend. Strickland arrived home around eight forty three

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Speaker 1: nine twenty one, and not long after, Armstrong arrived home

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Speaker 1: driving a twenty twelve Jeep Grand Cherokee with a large

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Speaker 1: to Strickland, Armstrong was the only person to drive that vehicle. Awie,

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Speaker 1: that's got a hurt because, according to the defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: that was not her car. So Jackie, could you please

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Speaker 1: play the sound of the defense attorney we played earlier

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Speaker 1: insisting this was not her car. The crux of law

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Speaker 1: enforcement's theory yea from within the first twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: of this case, they had decided that Kaitlin Armstrong is

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Speaker 1: a crazy, jealous person who, in a fit of rage,

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Speaker 1: murdered miss Wilson. The whole case against Kate Armstrong is

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Speaker 1: predicated on a deeply misogynistic view of her. So this

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Speaker 1: dark colored sut that's where the detective really wants to

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Speaker 1: start to hang this horrible crime on Kaylen Armstrong. There's

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Speaker 1: no evidence presented ever of a license plate on this

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Speaker 1: vehicle of any description of an occupant of the vehicle. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let me understand this, Dave Mac. They are claiming

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Speaker 1: that this was not Kaitlyn Armstrong driving the suv, that

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Speaker 1: there was another person in a black suv just like hers,

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Speaker 1: with a bike rack on top just like hers, and

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Speaker 1: a luggage rack just like hers, and chrome around the

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Speaker 1: windows just like hers, that went round and around and

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Speaker 1: around her boyfriend's side interest, over and over and over.

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Speaker 1: The boyfriend is accounting for we know where he is

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Speaker 1: based on a cell phone, which he lied about. But

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Speaker 1: is that right, Dave Mac. Yeah. And not only does

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Speaker 1: he say you know that, he says the attorney says,

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Speaker 1: you can't be in two places at once. It's simple maths.

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Speaker 1: But then it's like, well, okay, then where was she

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Speaker 1: If not in her vehicle at that time, where was she?

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, I don't have to prove that,

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Speaker 1: and don't I don't know what else you can do

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Speaker 1: other than prove it if you're going to make that clean. Now,

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Speaker 1: hold on, I'm wanting to take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: cut eighteen. These are our friends at crime online dot Com.

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Speaker 1: So not only according to the defense, is the murderer

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Speaker 1: driving a dark colored suv just like Caitlin Armstrong's with

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Speaker 1: rack on the back exact same Listen to the behavior

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Speaker 1: of the unknown assailant. Detectives turned to video as they

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Speaker 1: discover a surveillance camera mounted on the exterior of a

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Speaker 1: home nearby. The camera face the driveway next to Cash's home.

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Speaker 1: The footage showed a dark colored suv drive past at

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Speaker 1: eight thirty seven PM, that's one minute after Wilson entered

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Speaker 1: cash home. The suv slowed down, appearing to come to

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Speaker 1: a stop directly next to Cash's residence. The suv had

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Speaker 1: a large bicycle rack mounted on the trailer hitch of

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Speaker 1: the vehicle, a luggage rack mounted on the roof, and

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Speaker 1: chrome around the windows. No other vehicles were seen on

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Speaker 1: video surveillance until emergency vehicles arrived to doctor Sherry Schwartz.

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Speaker 1: How angry do you believe Caitlin Armstrong was after she

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Speaker 1: had been following her cheating boyfriend all around town as

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Speaker 1: he was texting her all those lies about taking flowers,

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Speaker 1: I guess to a sick friend up north wherever that

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Speaker 1: may be. The whole time she's following him in the

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Speaker 1: suv with Mariah in the car. That's the theory. Now,

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Speaker 1: what other unknown assailant is going to come out right

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Speaker 1: behind them and watch the boyfriend leave on his motorcycle

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Speaker 1: and then continue to circle around and around. Who would

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Speaker 1: that be the simmering the anger building on itself and

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Speaker 1: erupting in murder. Who else would do that? What a

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Speaker 1: known assailant? Doctor Sherry sworts Well, And this is the

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Speaker 1: challenge I think for the defense and the defendant. There

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Speaker 1: seems to be compelling evidence that a car that looks

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Speaker 1: just like Caitlin Armstrong's that she later sold was in

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Speaker 1: on seen around the time of the murder. But the

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Speaker 1: thing is, I don't I've never seen this case from

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Speaker 1: the beginning of it as this explosion of jealous rage.

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Speaker 1: I think it's exactly what you said, Nancy, the stimmering rage.

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Speaker 1: But there seems to be evidence of planning here, right.

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Speaker 1: The stalking is predatory behavior, and then to be able

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Speaker 1: to slip in and slip out of that residence. Whoever

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Speaker 1: did this to kill this young woman and then get away?

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Speaker 1: And then you know what the state alleges is that

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Speaker 1: it's Caitlin Armstrong and she had several steps to get away.

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Speaker 1: A pretty elaborate plan, is what it seems to me.

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Speaker 1: That requires a bit of planning in cool mind. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not just the video surveillance. There have been many

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Speaker 1: other cases where a car has been proven to be

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Speaker 1: driven by the killer and who the killer is based

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Speaker 1: on markings on the car. For instance, and Molly Tibbets,

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Speaker 1: a young co ed out jogging who goes missing. Finally,

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Speaker 1: ring doorbell cameras revealed a car in the vicinity where

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Speaker 1: she would jog, going back and forth and back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't get a tag blate, but got quote distinct markings.

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Speaker 1: It was scrapes along the side of the car traced

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Speaker 1: back to the killer. Patrick dentist Kendra Hatcher, her fiance's

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Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, followed her all around town and used a

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Speaker 1: friend's jeep to come and kill her, have her killed.

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Speaker 1: The markings on the car without a tag number led

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Speaker 1: to the car. The same thing is going to happen here.

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Speaker 1: But aside from the car argument, what about intent? Now

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Speaker 1: this is something created by Caitlin Armstrong herself. These words

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut. Twenty two two days

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Speaker 1: after Anna Wilson's murder. Police contacted one of Wilson's friends,

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Speaker 1: who remains anonymous, to prevent being targeted by Armstrong. According

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Speaker 1: to their friend, Armstrong discovered Wilson's phone number and contacted

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Speaker 1: the cycles several times, warning her to stay away from Strickland. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: Wilson blocked Armstrong's phone number. Their friend tells police that

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Speaker 1: Armstrong began following Wilson on Instagram, feeding into Armstrong's jealousy.

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Speaker 1: Police say Colin Strickland had bragged on Wilson's talent on

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Speaker 1: a bicycle and had told his girlfriend that training with

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Speaker 1: Armstrong was holding him back because he was constantly having

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Speaker 1: to stop and wait for Armstrong to catch up. Three

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Speaker 1: days after the murder, police get an anonymous call. The

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Speaker 1: caller tells police that Armstrong had discovered Strickland was having

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Speaker 1: a romantic relationship with Wilson, and that Armstrong furious to

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Speaker 1: the point that she said she wanted to kill Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's coming into evidence. Okay, here's the word

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Speaker 1: to this pretty good defense attorney for Caitlin Armstrong. You

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Speaker 1: will get these statements suppressed. You will win the battle,

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Speaker 1: But will you win the war? We wait as justice

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Speaker 1: and foals Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,