WEBVTT - What's Next for the LPGA? 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.200 And when I find my ball in a fried Egg. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.600 Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg Friday, Frida Egg, Brian Egg, 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:12.040 Frida Egg, Bride Egg Lie. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.080 I'm about ready to run off of the course. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.280 All right, Welcome back to another edition of the Frida 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.320 Egg Golf Podcast. I am your host, Andy Johnson, and 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.720 I am joined today by the Fried Egg's very own 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.600 Meg Atkins. She's joining to talk about the twenty twenty 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.240 four LPGA season, as well as the recent news of 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:59.920 Molly Marku Simon h resigning, stepping down as LPGA Commissioner 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.279 after what I would describe as a tumultuous ten year. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.520 So Meg, thanks for coming on. You've been busy. It's 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:14.000 been peak merch season for you, Peek commerc season. Yes, yes, sales, 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:20.160 sales galore, monitoring, monitoring the pro shop and yeah, busy, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.040 busy a couple of weeks, but all good, all good stuff. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.160 People are gonna be listening to this on Tuesday. Do 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.200 we have any deals left in the pro Shop? Is 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.920 there anything that our listeners can go snag on Tuesday. 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:33.640 Yes, we. 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.240 Take care of our procrastinators at Friday Golf. We our 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.920 sale goes through the end of Tuesday. Yes, procrastinators rejoice. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.960 You can still get twenty percent off the entire shop 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:53.880 with code black Friday twenty four. So, yes, time is limited, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:55.440 but deals are still there. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.800 Can they still get in that raffle for the free 0:01:58.840 --> 0:01:59.800 spot at an event? 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.080 Oh yeah? Oh yeah, So how does that work? 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.400 Yeah, you spend two fifty, We're gonna put you in 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.280 a raffle for free entry into one of our events 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.720 next year. We'll announce that, you know, probably in the 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.239 next week ten days or so. We'll kind of get 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.480 all the all the entries in there and we'll pick 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.640 a lucky winner. So nothing to do on your end. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.799 If you spend two fifty, we will pull you from 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.480 that list and get you in. So if you've been 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.760 eyeing the really good, really really good events list for 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.280 next year and want to have one of those on 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.639 your radar and need to do some shopping, it's a 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:36.320 win win there. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.919 I mean, yeah, some of the events you get entered 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.079 into the raffle for you get good shopping. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:41.880 Obviously you could. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.280 I mean, if you're if you're just looking to upgrade 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.639 your office, you could you could buy a print, or 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.000 you're look into upgrade you know a room in your house, 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.000 you could buy a print that gets you over that. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.799 But you know types of events that you get into 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.840 the raffle for Marine Essex County country Club in New Jersey, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.480 so New York market. If you want to just go 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.560 to Denver in September, that sounds like a delightful plan. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:08.840 There's Colorado Golf Club, so lots of different options. Skokie 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.160 Country Clubs in that Chicago area one, so if you 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.799 if you spend two fifty, you get a chance to 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.360 get a free event entry, which is which is a 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:23.160 good deal I think. So let's get into our LPGA 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:34.119 chat here all right, Meg, What an LPGA season? I mean, 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:39.240 I think sneaky, not sneaky at all. Actually, in terms 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.840 of recent years, this was one of the most compelling years. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.320 I think we've been begging for this for you know, 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:51.200 superstars to emerge and really establish themselves, and this year 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:55.320 we had two really historic years in Nelly Corda and 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.880 Lydia Co. What was your biggest takeaway from the LPGA season. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.040 Yeah, I mean we got to talk about the big 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.760 names winning and and playing well and playing well at 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.040 the same time for the most part, which we really 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.000 haven't gotten to do. We've been, like you said, waiting 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.960 for kind of the top names to to show out 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.800 and and we got that this year, which you know, 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:22.839 you would have told me at the beginning of the 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.600 season you'd have first the Nelly streak and then the 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:30.080 Lydia kind of you know, two crowning achievements on her 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.680 career with the Open win and the and the Hall 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.599 of Fame and the Olympic gold. I guess you can 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.040 combine those into one. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.240 Yeah, I would have been thrilled with that. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.800 So to me, like, you know, you can get into 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:48.159 the Nelly Lydia discourse, but like it's really tough for 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.840 me to pick between those two. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.600 Like the streak was historic, it was. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.080 Incredible, It felt inevitable, you know, in the in the 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.800 in the middle of it, like oh she's playing, Oh 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.640 she's gonna win, and that's just so rare and uncommon 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:02.640 in professional golf. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.800 But then like Lydia, you know, maybe that's. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.760 More of a feel good story for just how how 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.200 long her career has been from you know, pretty much 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:15.279 like child prodigy to now to kind of to kind. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.360 Of get the the big. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.080 Win at Saint Andrews joined you know, Stacy Lewis and 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.080 Loreno chose the only golfers to do that with. Then 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.240 you get, you know, the Olympic gold and the Hall 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.280 of Fame. Whether you value the Hall of Fame as 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.520 much as those an Olympic Golden Saint Andrews, who can say, 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.280 But it's really tough for me to pick between those two. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.480 That's the season will be remembered for Nelly and Lydia. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.719 I think the Hall of Fame qualification for those that 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.000 don't know, they use a point based qualification and you 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.560 have to achieve a certain amount of points, and Lydia 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.640 co achieved those this year, and. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:54.080 You know. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.000 The fact that she wasn't already a Hall of Famer 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.440 it's crazy to me, Like, had she retired at the 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.040 beginning of the year and she wasn't in the Hall 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.560 of Fame, it was insane. So I guess that like 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:11.920 kind of makes it a huge achievement and also begs 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:13.680 the question of whether that should exist. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:18.679 I think, like you know, in a way, the Corda 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:19.320 and Co. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.359 You know, the way you described the two you know, accomplishments, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:30.080 whether it's Nelly winning five in a row, that I 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.080 think it illustrates two of the things that like we 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.800 watch golf for the reasons we watch golf for. The 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.760 things that enamorous about golf is like all out dominance, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.200 which was displayed with Nelly winning five in a row, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:48.520 extraordinarily hard to do. It's extraordinarily hard to win one week, 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:53.400 let alone two, three, four, five in a row. That's insane. 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.919 That's something the Tiger, the type of dominance that I 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.160 think made everybody just like like. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:02.479 Love Tiger. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.280 This idea of this is just something that's not possible 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.640 to do. And I think the other thing that we 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.800 love about golf is like the long winding road of 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:17.320 a golf career. And I think that's the thing that 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:23.280 that Lydia's you're really illustrated is that it's not like 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.520 I think, with golf more so than like other sports, 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.960 like if you compare them to other sports, like you know, 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.720 like it's very rare for like a basketball player not 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.360 to be great. You know, like they kind of like 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.119 come up and become great and then they're really great 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.520 and then they retire and they I think the difference 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.960 is like golf, like you have these like air these 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.080 periods of like the dul drums, and you get stuck 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.280 and you get it's not just like, oh, this person 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.240 is great and they're going to be great every time 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.120 they step on the court or on the golf course. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:00.560 In golf's case, there are just like peaks and valleys, 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.000 and I think Lydia Coe's career illustrates that. I mean, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.560 there there were some years where there were some challenges 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.400 and there are real questions about you know, there are 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.240 times like our parents too involved, is she too much 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.160 of a control freak? You know, the the all the 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.960 swing instructor changes and the caddy changes, like and then 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.120 you know this year kind of like I feel like 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.920 cemented her as like this all timer. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:27.520 Yeah, absolutely it it. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.560 You know, the the Olympics were one thing, like she's 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.080 got all the medals, but the Saint Andrews win, like 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.960 that's going to be the image when when she retires whenever. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.679 That is like that's that's the lasting image that and 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.679 you know, doing it at Saint Andrew's like that her 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.160 name man Saint Andrews made a lot of sense together 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.960 and it was really cool to see her come out 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.320 of you know what had been. It wasn't like the 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.520 tough times were five years ago, like this very recent. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.839 She didn't make the Tour championship last year, so that 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.480 it was very very special season for her. And then 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.440 you know, like like you said on the Nelly side, 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.520 like the dominance, like you get to see the best 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.800 of the best at their best, at their peak, and 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.800 we saw that with Nelly, And you know, like she 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.400 had her own little mini roller coaster too, probably two 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:22.160 you know, the lows of pretty pretty low lows for 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.720 her career outside of maybe like the injuries and the 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.640 blood plot, which is very scary for her, but like 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.000 to have that in the midst of one season, in 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.679 the midst of you know, four or five months or so, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.360 the highest of highs low lows, and then coming back 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.600 out of that at the end of the season, Like 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.240 you can't really ask for much more in terms of 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.720 storylines and performances in a golf season. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:51.079 Yeah, so I gotta make you pick. You said you 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.959 don't want to pick, which season do you like more? 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.679 Which is do you the. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.120 I think that I'm gonna take Lydia because of Saint 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.040 Andrew's and the home of Golf and like like in 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:11.040 the olympiclly, the Olympic Gold yep, the maybe not so 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.360 much the Hall of Fame just my personal opinion, but 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:18.520 those other two are pretty pretty sweet. If if Nelly's 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.199 streak happens at a different time in the schedule, I'm 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.680 probably taking hers, But like that beginning part of the 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.760 schedule and that you know, this maybe gets into a 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.360 larger discussion on the schedule, like think of it like 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.800 that time frame on like the men's calendar, that's like 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.920 your riv that's like, you know, some best part of 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.880 like pre you know, before the Majors is that time 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.560 frame when she did this streak and there wasn't Like 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.880 her wins are fantastic, like the Shadow Creek one, especially 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.839 in match play, combo strip play and match play is huge, but. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.480 Like those aren't. 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.240 There's only a handful of really big tournaments that stand 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.800 out on this schedule and really break through to like 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:04.000 the non golf audience, and that goes kind of where 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.200 her low lowest point in the season was. So this streak, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.920 you know, we will not see that streak again. I'm 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.840 you know, for a while, and not to like you know, 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.640 downplay that at all, but uh, the Open at Saint 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:20.680 Andrew's in the Olympic Gold. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:21.960 It doesn't get much better than that. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:28.440 To me, it seems like there are and I don't 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.400 want to I don't want. 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:35.520 To be dismissive or talk down to any events, but 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.800 to me, there seems like there's three events in women's 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.120 golf that really stand above the rest. It's the Olympics, 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.960 the US Women's Open, and the Women's Open, and those 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.960 are the big three. I think the Women's PGA is 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:54.200 like right there too, like maybe just like a half 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.120 a notch below, and then there's a pretty you know, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.480 drastic fall off to the other two majors and and then. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:03.280 The rest of the event. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:08.960 And it's this is like, you know, I think like 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:13.240 so much of a successful year for the best players 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.640 in the world when you're talking about Aldia Co, when 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:22.200 you're talking about Olili Vu, Annellie Corda Rojang, you know, 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.800 I think she's got to obviously like get to winning 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:30.240 a major, But is winning one of those two annual 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.880 events or or the the Olympics, like those that's like 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.839 the pinnacle of the sport. And I think it's a little, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.400 you know, obviously like the Masters and men's golf, and 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.880 in the in the US Open, in the in the 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.000 Open are great tournaments and they stand a little bit 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.920 above the PGA. But I do feel like there's a 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.200 little bit more of a cliff in women's golf. And 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.560 this comes from a someone who follows it, But is 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.160 it like I wouldn't say I'm like extraordinarily invested. It 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.199 does feel like there is like a clear class system 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.480 within the within the majors. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.720 Yeah, I agree, and that's what made it Like like 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.040 being on site at Lancaster for the US Women's Open 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.800 this year and that that Thursday, that the the ten 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.360 that she had on twelve, Like I can't like the 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.199 build up to that event, like this was the peak Nelly. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.040 This was you know, you still had kind of that 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.000 inevitable feeling that she was going to come in and 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.600 win that and like the air that went out of 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.000 that place and the air that went out like honestly 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.840 through for the weekend with her not there like that, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.440 Like looking back, you kind of have to wonder, like 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.680 what if, you know, what if that ten doesn't happen? 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.280 And you can play the what if game, and you 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.640 know it's it's it's. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.560 Not changing anything, but you wonder if things had gone 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.520 differently in Lancaster, like would her season have broken through 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.959 to more of the mainstream audience than it did. Would 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.760 what you know, what does that look like if if 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.400 that that blow up on twelve doesn't happen, Because it 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.719 is so important for the best players to play their 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:13.079 best at those events for the sake of women's golf. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.760 There's no there's no riv there's no there's no Jack's Place, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.480 there's no bay Hill. 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:20.240 You know what I mean. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:21.480 Like even those. 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.360 Get you know, they they they bring in you know, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.600 past audiences who know those names and and all that 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.560 and want to see you know, Arnold back in his 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.040 day shake hands with the winner and all that, And 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:35.920 there isn't that on the LPGA. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.400 I think we can probably talk a little bit more 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.280 about that when we get into some recent news with 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.240 the commissioner and and some of the LPGA struggles. Despite 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.720 these historic years, I do think like pulling on that 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:56.320 string a little bit more. It was definitely felt like 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:02.320 a crescendo moment the streak in Lancaster. It was this 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:07.640 this meeting of this you know, red hot player, historic 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.920 stretch of play that we had never seen. And I 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.760 think the thing about it was how quickly the era 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:25.840 was out, like it being the second hole of the tournament. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.960 for her, it wasn't a She was in it until 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.600 Saturday and it was just this Saturday disaster and we 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.080 could just chalk it up as like this was a 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.800 disaster and the whole that there were a lot of 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.240 big numbers on that hole, but just to have this 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:49.640 big moment and the moment just so like there was 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.000 no hope beyond Thursday morning. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:54.560 It was just a deflating moment. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.960 I feel like for everything that had gone into, everything 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.680 that had gone into that week, right, all the play 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.200 that led into it, it was like the spotlight was 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.560 on and it would just didn't happen, which like that's 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.920 the reality of golf, but it did. Like I felt 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:17.200 like it deflated the whole event and really like the 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:18.040 entire streak. 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:20.680 Yeah, it really did. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.760 I mean it was over by ten am on Thursday, 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.080 you know, like before a lot of people had even 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.240 tuned in or it was even on their radar. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.080 I don't think it was on TV. It was just 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.280 streaming at that point. Yeah. 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:32.600 I think you're right. I think you're right. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.960 Yeah, Yeah, It was so strange too, because like you know, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.640 there was there were like four groups waiting. There was 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.400 like they had long wait and you just saw like 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.920 the car crashes happening ahead of you. It was super windy, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.840 and it was like the whole sequence was so like 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:54.000 it the air just went out of the whole place 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.800 and I followed her, I think through the rest of 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.360 that that nine and then came in and like you know, 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.800 like they're like actual tears from fans. Like of a 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.040 fellow media members was like, yeah, I overheard this daughter 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.119 like bawling to her mom be like it's over the 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.080 and the mom was like, it's okay, she's still got tomorrow. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:17.760 And the mom was like or the daughter was like, 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.040 you don't know, golf, mom, it's over. And it was 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.439 like that, like literal tears on the ground from people. 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:24.960 It was. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.640 It was such a bummer because the spotlight really had 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.280 never been brighter with what she had been doing, and 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.959 then it was just you know, boom over, exit, exit, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:40.280 stage left. So yeah, it's too bad. That's uh, you know, 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.000 in a season where there wasn't much to complain about 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.520 from the storylines, and what happened, like that's the one. 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.000 What if that's the that's the big regret I think 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:48.360 for me. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.040 Yeah, I think it's. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.520 I think, like everybody while it was happening, while the 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.200 streak was going, and like for the record, I think 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:04.280 I'd take Lydia Coe's season just because of I was 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:08.840 doing your review research and I came across this Victor 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.119 have Und quote that was like about like, yeah, you 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.080 could just give six million dollars to the winner of 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:19.960 the John Deere, but I'd still rather win memorial. And 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.920 you know, money's great, but it's like it's about events 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:28.000 and and to me, like winning the Old Corps, the 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:33.359 Women's Open at Saint Andrew's, uh is I mean in 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.080 winning a gold medal in women's golf, there's like those 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.800 are the two probably the two of the biggest ones. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.040 I think, like some of the Women's Open, the Women's 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.920 US Open venues that are coming up when you talk 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.760 about like winning at Shinnacock or you know, winning at L. A. C. C. 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.400 Like those winning at Oakmont, Like those are those are 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:59.840 types of where it's like, you know, I could only 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.960 add to this, but like it's like, yeah, I want 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:03.480 I want a US Women's Open. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.040 Oh where's you win. I wanted an elkmont Oh I 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.040 won the Women's Open, Where'd you win? I want the 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:09.359 whole course like that. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.080 The the second half of it is just you know 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.520 it try it's equal to like for me, like I 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.320 you know, I won on the LPGA ten times, like 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.000 to be that like might be where like it might 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.400 be worth ten LPGA wins. 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.399 Yeah, it has a little bit more oomph than I 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.000 won the Chevron at Carlton Woods. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:32.399 Yes, yes, way more, way more oomph. 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:34.040 And I think like the. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.880 Lp Like, while the Nelly thing was going on, there 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:45.240 were so many so much talk of like what Caitlin 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.760 Clark's done for the w n b A and women's basketball. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.680 This was coming, This was happening as she was making 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.080 the March Madness run. So this was like kind of 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.879 women's college basketball. And now like we zoom out and 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.159 we're it's it's six months later and we've seen what 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.640 she did for the WNBA, which was like completely transformed 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:12.360 the sport, and everybody was talking about Nelly and and 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:17.120 the you know kind of what she's done, what could 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.280 she be? This Caitlin Clark for the LPGA, and like 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.360 she had an incredible year, the best thing she can 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.520 do is play golf at a high level for the LPGA, 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.840 but like it still hasn't gotten there, And like, I 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:35.120 wonder if what your thoughts are on, Like I think 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:40.840 everybody in every women's sport that's not basketball is saying, like, 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:44.679 can we have a Kitlin Clark moment, a Caitlin Clark 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.240 figure that transforms her sport. Do you have a thought 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.640 on like what that could be for women's golf or 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:53.760 could it be Nelly? 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.600 It's certainly I mean she keeps winning, it certainly could be. 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.320 I think your point is is very true. The best 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.600 things she can do is keep winning and keep performing 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:08.879 at the high level. That's kind of last week when 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:12.320 or when seeing me when the season wrapped up, like 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:16.280 that was kind of my takeaway is all this growth 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:20.440 is fantastic, Like it's great for women's golf, what's happening 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.320 in basketball and soccer and other women's sports. 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:24.600 It's fantastic. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.440 But there's also the other side of the coin that 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:32.840 they're you know, that's competition now too. You know, they're 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.960 they have way more time on network TV than they 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:42.040 did a few years ago. You're you need your top 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.520 names to keep performing at the high level to keep 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:49.399 eyes on women's golf. So that's I think I'm with 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.760 you there that that's kind of the first important important 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.879 key is we we cannot you know, the depth of 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.960 the tour is great, but I think it will struggle 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.440 next year if we go back to having twelve first 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:08.080 time winners and leaderboards at majors with names that people 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:12.560 aren't familiar with for a lot first time major winners. 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:17.879 It's just very difficult for a niche sport like golf 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:22.880 to have that type of parody where you're not even 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.479 familiar with the first page of the leaderboard unless you're 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.200 a die hard fan, right. 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:31.080 And the hard thing is that's just the nature of golf, yes, right, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.560 I mean it's the same thing happens with the men's game. 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:35.000 Right. 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:39.080 It's like, why aren't the best players dominating? It's like, well, 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.960 these other players are really good too, you know, it's not. 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.560 And it's something the league, the LPGA or the PGA 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.840 Tour they have no control over, right, Like they have 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.400 no control over how the stars are going to play, 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:55.520 whether they're going to hit their stride, whether they're going 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:59.720 to struggle next year. So it is a game a 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.480 chance with how you know who's going to show. 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:04.840 Up weekend week out right. 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.080 As far as like the Caitlyn Clark moment, Like my 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:14.480 opinion on that is that I don't think, you know, 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:17.480 is golf ever going, Is women's golf ever going to 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:21.639 be the leader and that aspect and create have a 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.600 Kitlyn Clark, whether that's Nelly, and have the super you know, 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.760 star breakthrough everything moment that Caitlyn Clark. 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:33.840 Has brought to basketball. No, probably not. 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.560 You know, it's a very niche sport, like I said, 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:43.000 And the bigger problem is, you know, we don't like 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.679 they don't have any sort of media rights deal that 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:51.280 is going to break into other audiences right now in 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:56.040 order to have exponential growth, right, Like, that's I think 0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:00.800 the key on top of the stars playing well. Okay one, 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:03.800 So say say we do get Nelly and Lydia and 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.639 they have a repeat next season, right, say Lilyvoo comes, 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.040 it plays great next season two and you've got the 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:15.479 stars aligning again. Do we repeat what happened this year 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.920 where that doesn't quite break through because it's on Peacock, 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.880 uh for you know, like Nellie's Round is on Peacock 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:26.280 only and not anywhere else. The media deal is I 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.720 think the major, the major hang up, like Caitlin Clark, 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.560 that yes being had put the the groundwork in place 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:37.560 to have that in front of their massive audience of eyeballs. Right, 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.720 that's not in place for the for for women's golf. 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:48.400 Their attack onto the PGA Tours rights deal, and they 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:52.719 are you know, fourth on the on the on the ticket, 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:57.199 they're an afterthought honestly for the PGA Tour. They're not 0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.960 They're not a part of the PGA Tours balance sheet. 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.080 Therefore they're an afterthought. 0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:07.640 Yeah, I think I think that was you know, oh, 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.199 we can get into Molly marcou Simon and her just 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.879 her resign a resignation that happened this morning of this 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.639 recording in the Pitfalls, but that I believe is a 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.760 holdover from the one era where I think, like everybody 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:27.040 speaks of the Mikewan area era with like you know, 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:30.320 rose colored glasses. But I don't necessarily think it was 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:32.520 like that much better. And I think that was one 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.800 of the worst moves they did, was like tie themselves 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.320 to the PGA Tour's right steel, because you you know, 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:45.000 like you immediately are tying you're the most important aspect 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.960 of your league is tied to a tour that's going 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:52.920 that you're the least important aspect of their negotiation, right right, 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:56.680 Like just the interest there's no possible way for your 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:01.080 interest to actually align there. Getting back to the Kaitlyn 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:05.400 Clark thing, and I think, like everybody and you can 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.160 correct me if I'm wrong, but to me, I think 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:13.880 the thing. I don't think like it's Kitlyn Clark's personality 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:18.359 that like Pops, that makes people love her. It's really 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:22.240 the style of play. It is the way she plays basketball. 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:27.040 It is with freedom and this great creativity. It's like 0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:30.320 very to me, very reminiscent of the way Steph Curry 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:36.719 plays basketball. Just the passing and the shooting, the just 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:41.720 the ability to just pull from anywhere. And like when 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.560 I think about like golf and Caitlyn Clark moments, like 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:49.959 there's a very clear Kitlyn Clark moment that happened for golf. 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.440 It just happened on in the men's game with Tiger Woods. 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:57.680 And if you think about like Tiger Woods and why 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:02.440 he was so pop, I think it was the demonstrative 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:07.679 playing style he came out and it's this gentleman's sport 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.439 you know, that's what we were told when I was 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.119 a kid. You know, it's this, you know, you have 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.480 to act the right way, you have to play the 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.360 right way. And I remember I had like older uncle. 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:20.760 I had an older uncle who like hated Tiger was 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.199 because of his fist pumps and he's like, that's not 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:26.119 the way you play golf, like you know, but like 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:27.560 it was his playing style. 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:29.000 It was the it was. 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:34.200 This speed, the the the fist pumps, the demonstrative reactions 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:41.960 to shots that that led to the popularity. It was 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:46.240 the Nike marketing machine along with the way he played 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:50.399 the game and then obviously the encore success. To me, 0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:54.040 like the thing like Nelly, and this is not Nelly's fault. 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.879 She's playing golf the way that she's going to be 0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.800 the best golfer. The thing that's missing is that that 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:05.479 that playing style, that that magnetism that comes with with 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.800 a playing style that like you watch and you you 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:10.960 can't take your eyes off it because you can't wait 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:12.520 to see what's next. 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.480 And to me, when you look at the women's. 0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:20.080 Game, they just haven't had that type of player emerge 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.679 and it's not Rojang. And Rojang could be a great player, 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.760 but like she's never going to pop off the page 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.239 from that that style of play, and until there is 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:34.760 a player that really comes and does things differently that 0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.640 looked that Like when you're watching them play, you think 0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:42.520 this is different. You know that I think is going 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.320 to be the struggle and every and and this has 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.000 to happen when you talk about these moments, this is 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:52.360 any great player typically, like you feel that way while 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:53.600 you're watching them. 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.400 Sure, and you know, probably the last time the LPGA 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:02.480 had that was maybe Nancy Lopez who just came in different, 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:07.080 played the game different one heaps and heaps and. 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:08.320 Really really quickly. 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:15.280 Yeah, that's that's not Nelly. You know, she's she's an introvert. 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.480 She's come out of her shell more this year than 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.840 she hasn't probably her whole career combined, probably, you know, 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:26.120 And that's probably because she's been freed up, probably easier 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.720 for her to come out of her shell after she's 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.120 had a dominant stretch like she had, and she's was 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:38.120 very you know, particular and calculated with the moves that 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:41.560 she did outside of her comfort zone the met Gala, 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:48.800 the SI swimsuit to to capture different audiences, right, But 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:54.360 the playing style, like like she she's an introvert on 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:58.520 on the course, she's an introvert. She doesn't, I mean, 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.280 she's perfectly fine and and interviews and whatnot. 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.520 But yeah, I'm with you. 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:08.280 That that that style of play, that that whatever you 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.440 want to call it factor, if that's what you want 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.400 to call it. Yeah, Caitlin's got it for sure. And 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:18.800 maybe Nancy Lopez was the last like it factor in 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.560 women's golf. It wasn't Anica like like Anika, you know, 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.360 for all her numbers, I don't think charisma is the 0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.880 word you think of when you describe her, right, I think. 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.080 And I think like men's golf has this issue now too, right, 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.560 like yeah, up Scotti sche Like the conversation was like 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.120 almost the same about men's golf with Scotty Scheffler, like 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:43.440 I you know, until he got arrested. Like their arrest 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:48.400 like literally changed the discourse around Scotty Shuffler. It made 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.479 him way more likable. It was like it was like 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:55.240 this it was a crazy thing. Like but like that arrest, 0:30:55.440 --> 0:31:00.560 I think, like general general genuinely changed the trajectory public 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.200 interest in Scotty Scheffler because like people watch how he 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:06.840 handled it and they were like wow, like I can't believe, 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:11.360 like he didn't say like it, And like since then, 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:15.320 I think he's like used that and it's he he's. 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:16.920 Like opened up a little bit more. 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.480 But still I don't think Scotty Scheffler is like an 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.360 electric personality, right, right, And like you look at the 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.600 top of like, you know, men's golf had Tiger and 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.320 then Rory became this heir apparent, and I think Rory 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:33.080 and Spieth have had this like gravity towards them, but 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.800 I don't think any player since then has even come close, right, 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:38.440 And I think it's just a struggle. 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:40.200 Golf is probably like one of. 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:46.480 The hardest sports to have that charisma that you know, uh, 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.000 I don't know what the right word, but that like 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:50.720 gravitational pull with fans. 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.680 It's just it's a very muted sport and it's. 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:55.840 A very polite sport. 0:31:56.000 --> 0:32:00.720 Yeah, and politeness doesn't really you know, attract a lot 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:05.360 of numbers and attention sometimes, Right, So I guess what 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.600 we're saying is we need Officer Gillis to make his 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.840 way down to Brandonton and arrest figure out some how 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:11.920 to arrest Nelly Korda. 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:16.680 So that's all We're going for Officer Gillis and his pants. 0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:17.880 Yep, yep. 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.880 All right, let's take a quick break here to talk 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:35.880 about our partner, Red Rooster. 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I think, like when we talk about, you know, 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.799 ways to grow the LPGA sport is maybe some of 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:08.640 those quiet conversations need to be more public. But you know, 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.920 she steps down and it seems like I'd like to 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:15.680 hear your perspective. This was accumulation of a lot of 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.840 disappointing things, but maybe the final nail in the coffin 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.920 was the Solheim Cup bus disaster. 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:24.200 Yeah, absolutely that. 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:28.560 I mean, if you know, we are a few months 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.080 past that, we still don't know like how, why that 0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:36.799 miscalculation was made, what type of uh you know, compensation 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.839 or what not was done for for fans like it 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.960 there were no answers, and that was just you know, 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:47.719 it is very apparent in person in that press conference 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:52.759 at Solheim that this it was this was not leadership 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.440 right coming from her, This was this was not a 0:35:55.480 --> 0:36:00.839 great leader and right like it's it's been rocky from 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.319 the jump. I think, like looking back, you know, you 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:07.400 didn't know it at the time, and hindsight is always 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:11.880 twenty twenty, but her one hundred day like listening period 0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:16.239 to start off her tenure was the worst thing you 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.160 could have done, Like the worst. 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.280 This is twenty twenty one. 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:24.200 Little did we know, Like the women's sports momentum, like 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.440 the train was getting rolling, like picking up speed, picking 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.720 up speed, and you've got someone who for their first 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:36.560 three months listened and and and I don't like I 0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.319 get that, I get wanting to learn. I get that 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:43.120 you didn't come from this. You know, you came from academia. 0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:46.200 You were an athletic director before, and you had to 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:51.880 learn on the job. But you just you that having 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:57.760 that one hundred days of nothing, I think you missed, 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.440 you missed the boat. You if you had some one, 0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:03.120 you know, with experience who knew how to do the 0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.880 job come in and not. Sports are very different. But 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:11.000 I look at the NWSL. I've brought up Jessica Berman before, 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:14.080 the commissioner of that league, who came from the NHL 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.799 and came into a debacle of a league with no 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:23.919 player trust, scandals, teams folding, and got to work day 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:28.560 one because you knew what the job was. Molly Marcusimon 0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:33.160 did not know how to do this job. So that's 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.040 you know, I hope that's top of mind as this 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:41.360 global search commences, is that you cannot you have to 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:45.160 have somebody ready to go day one because. 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.160 You had the wrong person in position. 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.879 During a period where women's growth has never grown as 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.000 much as it has. 0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:59.399 So that's too bad. Looking back. 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:05.239 Yeah, I think, I mean, it's it's very easy to 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.279 to poke hole. I think, like I I haven't been 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:13.120 impressed over the years in terms of I think like 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.239 the biggest thing is just the lack of vision, like 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.239 the lack of this is where we're going and this 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:21.760 is you know. I think like when you look at 0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:27.680 the LPGA, there has to be a fresh perspective somebody 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.960 that comes in and says, listen, I know we've been 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.840 doing the things this way, and we're going to continue 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:37.080 to do some of these things, but if we want 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:40.719 to reach where we believe like and like I think 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:45.960 like there's no reason why women's golf couldn't be the 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:51.960 most popular professional golf played. There's it's not like there's 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:57.800 some like dominant force that's that's holding this from happening. 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:02.560 This is this is real possible. And thinking all right, 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:05.960 how do we get there? Is to me what has 0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:09.920 to happen. I'm curious if if you were going to 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:13.160 create a couple points of emphasis that you'd like to 0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:17.120 see from the new commissioner and what they would stress on, 0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:22.600 like trying trying to bring the LPGA to a higher 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.520 level of fandom and viewership, what what would be the 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:28.200 things that you would want to see stressed. 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:34.400 Yeah, and I think you know, Mollie, what I'm looking 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.719 for and what needs to be stressed is the willingness 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:43.400 to make bold moves. Mollie didn't make any bold moves. 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:49.360 Sure there was you know, the perse growth and all that, which, 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.400 you know, the numbers are great, but like compared to 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.919 what has been going on in other leagues and other 0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:00.600 women's sports, like, it's kind of the bare minimum honestly, 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:06.719 So willingness to make make the bold move and willingness 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:11.759 to differentiate yourself from the PGA tour. What has the 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:15.880 LPGA done to differentiate itself from a tour from the 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:21.239 PGA that has struggle, that has experienced a schism, that 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:27.239 has uh, you know, disengaged many of its fans, you know, 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:30.279 not much. The LPGA hasn't done much. It's kind of 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.080 just doing the same thing but in a smaller scale. 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:35.160 So bold moves. 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:37.480 I think the first one that comes to mind is 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.960 you've got to get your product to other eyeballs. I'll 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:44.960 bring up the NWSL again. I know, like right now 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.719 it's got a big CBS deal and it has more 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.600 eyeballs on it than ever before, not that long ago. 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:54.200 Thus the Women's Soccer League. 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.920 Yeah, yeah, National Women's Soccer League. So not long ago, 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.480 their teams were playing in high school stadiums like here 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:03.560 in Kansas City. Not that long ago, they were playing 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.680 in high school stadiums. They were broadcasting their games on Twitch, 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:09.480 you know what I mean. But that's how they started, 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:13.120 Like they got on Twitch and got to different audiences 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:17.080 that way. I think you have to be in control 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.960 of how your product is distributed, and that's not the 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:24.240 case right now. So I mean, that's a big change 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:27.719 to separate yourself and to get out from under the 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.400 PGA tour umbrella. But I think that has to happen. 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:36.560 The other thing that you know is very attractive to 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:42.880 me is the schedule and getting a more coherent schedule 0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:47.319 at more interesting venues. If you look at ways that 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:51.480 the LPGA can differentiate itself, it plays a very different 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.879 game than the men on a very different scale, which 0:41:54.960 --> 0:42:01.879 opens up many different courses to you. The schedule is, yeah, 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.920 record breaking money, fantastic, But to what we spoke about earlier, 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:06.880 what's memorable? 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:12.160 Three or four events? Right? So those are those are 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:19.360 those are my top two. I think they. 0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:22.360 Share this issue right with with men's golf. Right, I 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:24.640 think men's golf one of the biggest problems with men's 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.960 golf right now is like, how do we make more 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:33.080 than five events a year relevant? This is I think 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.440 this is just like this is the same problem that 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:39.400 tennis is starting. I think, like with this modern era 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:46.239 of television, on demand, choice, social media, and YouTube, Like 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:53.080 when you combine all these different platforms and all the 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:56.480 choices that people have for their time, everybody's trying to 0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:59.799 get people's time. One of the things that all of 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.160 off has to confront is how how do we make 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:07.520 more than four or five events on either side men's 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:09.040 and women's relevant. 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:11.840 Yeah, it's not It's not easy. 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:16.200 No, like the and and and negotiating a new media 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.080 deal is not easy. Neither of these are easy things 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:24.320 to do. But you've you haven't done much on that front. 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:26.919 I mean, nothing's been done with the media rights deal. 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:30.839 You added some ESPN plus streaming this year, but you 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:34.200 are you're you are handcuffed the MIC one deal. You 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:38.239 have no flexibility, right, so how you get out of that? 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.719 Like one, just getting out of that is is not 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:44.000 easy to do. And two, like going on your own 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:50.160 path is not easy at all, but it's it's it's 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.439 easier today than it was three four years ago, that's 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:54.719 for sure, I think. 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:58.200 And if and like just to zoom in on this 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:01.359 this uh, this contract and why it's so bad for 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:05.960 the LPGA. This is like why it's bad. So they 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:09.400 got there, lumped in the PGA Tour, negotiated the contract 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:12.560 and they are basically a tag along on the PGA 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:20.480 Tour contract. If you compare that to college golf. College 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:26.360 golf negotiated on its own with Golf Channel. Golf Channel 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.719 got this college golf package and they have like so 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:34.840 they have this college golf the NCAA Championships and they're 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:38.640 broadcasting it and it was like oh wow, like but 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:42.160 there's no other college golf on TV at the point 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.080 they get this, but they realize, like, oh, we made 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:49.920 this big investment in college golf in the NCAAs. You 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.800 know what we have to do because we have this property, 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:58.040 we have to cover more college golf. So there's more 0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:02.000 college golf programming today. You know, I don't know how 0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.239 many years ago, maybe six or seven years ago when 0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:09.000 they got the deal for the college Golf Championships, when 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:13.040 it became a big part of their spring programming. Today 0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:18.040 there is way more college golf on Golf Channel because 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.160 they have the rights. And it's like, oh, we need 0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.960 to cover this because we paid for these rights. 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:24.960 Who paid? 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.360 They paid the PGA Tour for the PGA Tour rights. 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:31.920 It's not like obviously the PGA Tour rights is a huge, 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:35.479 huge part of Golf Channel, but the LPGA just being 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:41.120 a tag along minute like they Golf Channel is beholden 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:44.520 to the PGA Tour. That's who they negotiated this rights 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:48.959 deal with. Golf Channel works with the NCAA, so they 0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:53.399 want to promote uh, college golf more so they show 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.080 more college golf like. 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.120 This is this is exactly what they need. You have 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.440 to have that one to one relationship up with your 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:01.080 right partner. 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:06.319 Yes, yeah, it's insane not to have that that you know, 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.200 the the one to one relationship there, Like you cannot 0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:14.080 be a professional sports league and have somebody else in 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:15.640 charge and in control of that. 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:18.120 Yes, that's that's why. 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:22.640 That's my number one, and I think that maybe makes 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.480 the number two. The venues, Like if you have a 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:29.759 new contract, if you have new avenues for you know, 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.560 the schedule and the events to be shown. That's a 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:35.759 lot more attractive to some courses. That's a lot more 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:38.000 attractive to some sponsors to know they're not going to 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.080 be tape delayed, to know they're not going to be 0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:44.400 on Peacock for two hours and then to see NBC 0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:46.440 for an hour, and then to NBC for an hour 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:50.480 and a half, and like the third one, the marketing, 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:53.920 like the marketing of this league needs a complete and 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:57.359 total revamp in my opinion. And like when we talk 0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:02.480 about the snaffos and debacles of Molly Marcus Simon's tenure, 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:07.239 like she like the vision was not there, but she 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:12.960 did harp on marketing and growing that team within the LPGA, 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:16.759 and I think, I mean that's where they've failed this 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:21.279 year was marketing Lydia and Nelly And what they did 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:26.040 this year, like we they around this time last year 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:28.879 was when they announced that big deal with Naomi Osaka's 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:34.560 company to like promote the athletes and everything. We got 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:38.440 absolutely nothing from that. And last week she announced that 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:42.200 internally they were going to do some player marketing moving forward. 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:48.040 So like you're pushing, you're growing your internal team, you're 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:51.399 going outside, Like I don't think Naomi Osaka. I don't 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:54.680 think that like was a cheap deal. I don't think 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:58.600 they got that on sale. I think it was probably 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:02.719 pretty expensive. So that's I think it needs a complete 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:07.000 revamp in how you present this league, which is a 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:13.280 trailblazing league, which is has has run for seventy five years. 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.239 This year coming up is there seventy fifth year. While 0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:22.120 other women's sports leagues have folded, renamed, rebranded all this, 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.000 the LPGA for seventy five years has been doing this 0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:31.560 through leadership and innovation from its founders early on, and 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.240 you got to tell that story, especially in its seventy 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:35.160 fifth year coming up. 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.319 Yeah, I think I think the marketing leaves a lot 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:41.840 to be desired. But I think like what are we 0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:46.359 marketing is like a real question, like what is it 0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:52.720 we're marketing? And how are we going to differentiate our sport? 0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.799 And I think, like I think in general, when you 0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:59.200 look at I think like when you look at the 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:02.800 future of the lp IS, it has to be focused 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:08.160 on differentiating the product from men's professional golf. This is 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:13.400 how we're different and how we're actually more watchable. You know, 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:18.360 the shot the shots are are, you know, like the 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.759 golf course matters more like the features of a golf 0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:25.799 course matters more. We're more accurate, so you know their 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:29.040 strategy on holes. But I think, like, really, where I 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:33.960 think like the biggest opportunity is broadcast innovation. This is 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:39.880 something like, could you explore showing golf completely different, showing 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.320 golf a completely different way than men's golf shows golf. 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:45.759 That to me would be something that would be on 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:48.400 the top of my thing that I would want to 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:53.120 invest time, energy and resources into is what if we 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:57.279 showed golf in a different manner. The other thing that 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:01.239 I would really stress is like pace of play. It 0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:05.839 just cannot be it. I find myself a lot of 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:09.560 nights I watched a ton of golf at night. Now 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:14.400 when after I put my daughter's sleep, I record basically 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:17.520 all live golf and then I pop it on and 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.960 I find even with a DVR, I struggle with just 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:25.080 the pace pace of women's golf. The pace of play 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.240 is like a real issue, and I know it's boiling. 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.120 It's like I think like it's hitting a point where 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.960 like top players are speaking out about it where we 0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:37.879 might actually get some changes, you know, with Charlie Hole 0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:41.839 saying like they should lose their tour card with like 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.400 Nelly Corda speaking out, like that's what you need. You 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.400 need the top players speaking out about it. But this 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.399 is something that has to change, like the adherence of 0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:55.080 like and understanding how it goes back to this this 0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:59.560 product standpoint, Like we want to show people that there 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.200 is a better a golf product and we have it. 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.239 And part of that is has got to be the 0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:08.520 pace of shots and we see it like people like 0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:11.000 to see a lot of shots. They want to be like, 0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:12.959 they do not want to watch somebody. 0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:14.360 Get ready for a shot for a minute and a half. 0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:17.080 That just can't be. That's not good to TV. 0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:19.960 And they would like to see. 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:23.759 The drama of penalties of slow play, you know, like 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:27.839 it adds that adds to the broadcast as well. Yeah, 0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:30.280 that's that's got to be top of mind. I'm hopeful 0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.600 that something changes with that during during the off season 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:36.439 and that there's a new policy in place for next year. 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:40.120 But yeah, and to your point about the player speaking 0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:43.440 out about slow play, more of that, please, More of 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.920 more of speaking out on on things you're dissatisfied with, 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.759 things you'd like to see change. You know, if if 0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:53.880 something changes with slow play. Maybe they will see that. 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:55.960 Oh when I speak my mind, I do have a 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:59.359 say and and I do get listened to. Because from 0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:01.560 the marketing of things, it is a two way street. 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:05.320 You know, if they bring in have a new marketing 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:08.880 you know, plan or whatever for the seventy fifth season, 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.799 like a lot of that's you know, in order to 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:14.759 be successful, as on the players too, opening up, being 0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:19.040 open to trying new things, speaking out more, whatever the 0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:19.640 case may be. 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:22.480 Like, that's an important piece of the puzzle too. 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:27.040 Yeah, I echo that. 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:38.439 All right, Let's take a quick break to talk about 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:42.359 our partner, Stripe. Stripe serves millions of businesses of all 0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:45.719 sizes around the world. In fact, one percent of the 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:50.080 global GDP is powered by Stripe. 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Here is do you have a favorite moment 0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:33.759 from twenty twenty four one that one that particularly stands out? 0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:35.960 It could be either personal or. 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:41.480 Yeah, I think. 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.680 Like from from the from the golf side of things, 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:53.080 Yu Causasso's five iron lancaster on uh on Sunday on 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:57.200 the fifteenth, Like that that shot could to kind of 0:54:57.440 --> 0:54:58.759 just seal the deal. 0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:02.880 The ball was like way above her feet. 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.120 It was like a cut you know, she cut it 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.880 in there when like it would have it's easier to 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:10.240 play a draw in there. 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:12.680 I think that was. 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:16.319 Yeah, she birdied that, and then sixteen the short part 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.960 four is right after drove the green there, birdied that 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:23.439 and then she's you know, that was like four birdies in. 0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:25.520 Five holes and stealed the deal. 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:28.319 But like that shot, I was like, you know, that 0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:32.480 was you don't see like five irons like that very 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:35.520 often anymore, especially on like the men's side of thing. 0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:39.440 To your point about like differentiating the games a little bit, 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:42.120 like that shot, I will stick with me for a while, 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:45.200 I was, Yuka, you know, you know, she may only 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:47.200 show up and be in contention a couple of times 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:49.560 each year, but when she does, it's it's fun to watch. 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:50.799 Yeah. 0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:58.040 I just that's like a great example of how a 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:02.480 golf like how the women's game could be so compelling 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:07.000 because of like the venues that they can play. Lancaster 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:12.600 was a spectacular women's open venue, lots of fans, but 0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:16.279 the golf course was really starred, and like I think, 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:21.560 like Lancaster's a really good golf course, but by no 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:24.560 means would I say it's like great. I think it's like, 0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:28.400 you know, listen like it. I'm not trying to pull it, 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.680 but like, you know, it is. It is really good. 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:35.640 I would love to play Lancaster on a regular basis, 0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:37.760 but it's not somewhere i'd like get on a plane 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:39.920 and go play. And like you think about the Women's 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:44.120 Open and where it's going and where like the types 0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:48.000 of golf courses that women's tournaments can be held at. 0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:53.000 It's extraordinary because like Lancaster is an example of a 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:57.359 club like that's it's not unrealistic that you could have 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:02.200 ten to fifteen LPGA events a year at courses at 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:05.960 the level of Lancaster. It is a really good It's like, 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:08.680 you know, without a doubt, one of the three hundred 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:12.280 best golf courses in America, like one of the two hundred. 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:15.919 Probably it's between one hundred and two hundred, I would say. 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:19.600 But like it's not unrealistic to think, like, okay, like 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.720 we could have a you know, and you know, I 0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:25.480 don't know about like the memberships at all these like 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:28.760 wanting regular events, but like we could pop in and 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:33.160 have a a women's event at a course like Quaker Ridge. 0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:36.200 We could have a women's event at a course like 0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:40.800 you know, uh, I don't know, Skokie in Chicago, we 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:43.360 could have it, you know, like these are the types 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:46.680 of golf courses that are available to the women's game. 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:50.600 And like you say, you mentioning Lancaster just like I mean, 0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:52.960 it made me just think back to that that week 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:57.560 and how much like enamorment there was with like the women, 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:01.600 the style of play and how interacted with the golf 0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:05.720 course and how that could be a regular occurrence on 0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:06.480 the LPGA. 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:11.240 Yeah, the courses do a disservice for how the how 0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:15.280 the best women play the game, the normal courses on 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:17.960 their on their schedule, on their calendar, and then you 0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:20.840 have a Lancaster pop up and you're like, oh my god, 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:24.280 this course fits their game perfectly. It's challenging them in 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:28.200 all the right areas. And that's yeah, that's what it 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:31.840 can be. Like it there's there's so much room for improvement, 0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:35.160 Like if you're if you're you know, looking, if you're 0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:38.400 a candidate, if if you're part of this global search, 0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:42.040 Like that's one of the big pros is there's so 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:45.520 much room for improvement and so much potential there. Like 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:48.360 it's not like this league is tapped out on everything 0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:51.360 they're doing, like there there's so much that can be done, 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:53.880 and and yeah. 0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:55.960 Courses are absolutely top of the list. 0:58:56.280 --> 0:59:01.200 Well, and it's also like why not go down to Austin? Sure, 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:03.959 Like why don't we have an event in Austin. There's 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:07.960 tons of corporations. The PGA Tour left by all signs 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:12.200 like the Austin wanted Pro Golf and the PGA Tour 0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:15.600 just left. Also, like I think about like the the 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:20.520 Dow Team Championship. It's at Midland, Michigan. Uh in Midland, Michigan, 0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:22.880 And it's because Dow is right there, right. 0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:24.720 There. 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:28.280 Yeah, but like somebody needs to say to Dow, like, 0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:31.880 you know, listen, Like the golf course just isn't up 0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:35.120 to the standards that we have. Midland Country Club is 0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:38.360 just not up to snuff. We ho, those are the 0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:42.480 best women in the world. We need to host it 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:45.240 in a world class golf course. And one I think 0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:50.440 one of the things is like that it like ticket 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:53.840 like at an event. I could be wrong about this, 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:58.200 but I can't imagine that like on course the ticket 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:02.760 revenue and on course is like so great that it 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:06.400 like pushes anything over the edge. Why don't you approach 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:10.200 somewhere like forest dunes or something like that and say hey, 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.440 we want to host this at the loop or reversible 1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:16.080 golf course. Like all of sudden, then it's like, Okay, 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:18.960 we have a team championship on a reversible golf course. 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:20.040 We're going to play the. 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:25.400 Golf course on on Thursday and Saturday this way, and 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:29.160 Friday and Sunday this way, and that all of sudden 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:34.080 has a lot more appeal, Like these are the things 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:37.360 that could be done. It just needs there needs to 1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:40.360 be somebody that thinks about them on like, how do 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:44.120 we make more than four or five events stand out? 1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:46.200 And one of those one of the five events in 1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:49.680 women's golf, one of the probably four events in boom's golf, 1:00:49.680 --> 1:00:54.400 which we didn't mention yet, is ANWA arguably the biggest event. 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:57.800 And why is it the biggest event because of the venue? 1:00:58.160 --> 1:00:58.840 Exactly right? 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:04.400 Yeah, it's uh uh yeah, that's uh, that's it. It 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:09.520 moved a major, it moved, it bumped a major from. 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:12.000 It's it's spot that it had held. Uh. 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:15.880 That's the power of these courses, Like sure, Augusta is Augusta, 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:21.440 but that's that's the power of going to important venues 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:25.480 with name recognition that people want to see the best 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:28.560 of the best play on. And if you're not, if 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:32.560 you're not asking and having those questions, those conversations with 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:36.120 these courses, you're not, You're you're doing the whole league 1:01:36.120 --> 1:01:36.760 of disservice. 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:39.520 You know the other thing I'd like love to see 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:42.920 and and you know, I think that the tour dabbled 1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:48.040 a little bit with this with UH with like Monday matches, 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:51.680 but like the LPGA schedule is such that there's no 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:56.640 reason that you couldn't create like a select series where 1:01:56.680 --> 1:01:59.960 you where you brought like eight people to really fast 1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:02.320 and eight and golf courses around the world, and it 1:02:02.400 --> 1:02:07.320 was this like small series of events. It's almost there exhibitions, 1:02:07.360 --> 1:02:10.920 but their matches, and you could do one at like 1:02:11.640 --> 1:02:14.920 just throwing out there, like Banded Dunes, you do they 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:17.960 go play Pacific Dunes and there's four matches that are 1:02:18.000 --> 1:02:20.240 played there and maybe you do a second day so 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:24.160 the travel makes sense, and you do it at Old McDonald. Again, 1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:29.480 this would require having a relationship with your broadcast partner, right, 1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:32.800 so you could get these things televised. Maybe you go 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:36.240 and there's a match at Sunningdale, you know, maybe when 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:39.640 you're in the UK swing, like maybe there's like these 1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:42.160 are the types of things that I think, Like if 1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:45.040 I was running the LPGA, I'd be thinking about, is 1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:47.560 like how do we how do we get our product 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:51.080 out there in new ways? Different ways, like fun ways. 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:55.760 We know, like we know we've seen the success, Like 1:02:56.200 --> 1:03:00.360 how did ANWA rise so quickly? Well, obviously they have 1:03:00.440 --> 1:03:03.800 the Masters and Augustina National behind it, but like a 1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:07.040 lot of the reason that people like that event is 1:03:07.480 --> 1:03:10.960 maybe maybe the biggest annual women's event. 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:11.840 Yeah. 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:16.160 Yeah, from from a viewership standpoint, and it all revolves 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:19.240 like for the most they're watching amateur golfers who many 1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:20.400 of whom they don't know. 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:22.360 Play a golf course. 1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:25.520 So like, how do we like take some key themes 1:03:25.560 --> 1:03:29.120 from that and build from there? And like some of 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:32.160 these golf course I bet would be very amical to 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:36.800 them filming a couple matches for a couple of days, 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:39.440 you know, and like that's a great TV product. 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:40.840 That's some sign me up for that. 1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:45.960 Yeah, how about a dynamic postseason that's missing on the 1:03:45.960 --> 1:03:48.520 men's side of things too, you know, get creative that way, 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:53.000 Go match go match play for your postseason. Get that 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:56.120 get it, not at a at a Tiberon, you know, 1:03:56.280 --> 1:03:59.440 like let's get away from that for our final, you 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:04.520 know event that's it's there. But your your point is 1:04:04.520 --> 1:04:07.439 is that none of that happens unless you own how 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:12.000 your product is distributed and presented. And we have seen 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:15.240 like like we have the Grant Thornton coming up. That's 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:18.680 probably the only thing you're gonna get from the PGA 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:23.080 Tour is a silly season, you know, thirty person thing at. 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:26.560 At Tibi Rod like that. 1:04:26.720 --> 1:04:29.600 You're if you're holding out hope that there's that you're 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:33.040 gonna have Nelly and Charlie Hole invited to TGL, It's 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:35.600 not gonna happen. If you're holding out hope you're gonna 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:39.320 they're gonna be in the next match, not gonna happen. 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:43.520 If you're holding out hope that there's gonna be a 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:48.160 mixed President's Cup, not gonna happen. Like the waiting game 1:04:48.480 --> 1:04:51.320 and waiting for that type of stuff that needs the 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:54.040 PGA Tour to agree to do. 1:04:54.520 --> 1:04:57.480 Is not going to happen. Like how many they need 1:04:57.520 --> 1:04:59.000 to there's our lesson. 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:03.160 There they need to feocus on creating things that the 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:07.560 PGA Tour and other things want to be a part of. 1:05:07.760 --> 1:05:09.880 Yes, and they don't. 1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:13.160 They don't have enough of those types of things because 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:17.200 like the big their biggest properties are extremely serious competitions 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:18.120 that you can't change. 1:05:18.600 --> 1:05:22.120 Correct, correct, Yeah, Yeah, we got to get outside the 1:05:22.120 --> 1:05:27.880 box and and own own something from how the product 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:29.440 looks and is presented. 1:05:30.080 --> 1:05:32.680 All right, twenty twenty fives kind of around the corner. 1:05:32.840 --> 1:05:36.240 What are one or two things that you're most looking 1:05:36.240 --> 1:05:36.640 forward to? 1:05:37.280 --> 1:05:40.200 Yeah, Like I said, the seventy fifth season, which should 1:05:40.280 --> 1:05:43.240 be talked about and it's a big deal. Like there's 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:45.360 not very many women's sports leagues that have been around 1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:46.480 for seventy five years. 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:49.680 I'm interested to see what they do around that. 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:52.680 Like when we talk about I mentioned like there's no 1:05:53.240 --> 1:05:56.960 there's no tournament, like there's you got Jack and Arnie 1:05:57.040 --> 1:05:58.920 and all the on the men's side of things, Like 1:05:59.720 --> 1:06:03.240 why isn't there like a tournament that you know, Beth 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:06.480 Daniel runs or whatever. Like there's a lot that can 1:06:06.560 --> 1:06:11.240 be done bringing back and the people that made the 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:14.520 LPGA what it is. I'd like to see something done 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:19.280 there as far as like tournaments go. I'm pumped for 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:22.760 the Open at Royal Porth Call just to hopefully get 1:06:22.800 --> 1:06:25.560 some insane weather in Wales again like we did. 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:27.800 Yeah. 1:06:27.880 --> 1:06:31.000 Yeah, that was some of like the most entertaining golf 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:33.480 I've watched in the past couple of years. It was 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:37.560 so so good to watch Aaron Hills for the US 1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:40.600 Women's Open. You know, we haven't seen that since the 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:42.200 men's US Open. 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:44.360 Again. 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:46.600 I think that will be a much more intriguing tournament 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:48.840 if there's some wind, the wind that you didn't get 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:49.880 when the men were there. 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:50.600 Right. 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:55.600 International Crown is back. It's in Korea this year, so 1:06:55.800 --> 1:06:59.680 they're going to be in South Korea during the fall 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:03.560 a swing, So makes a lot of sense. As you know, 1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:06.200 there was a long layoff with the International Crown with 1:07:06.240 --> 1:07:09.919 COVID to you know the first the first one back 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:13.080 was at San Francisco at Harding Park. I think it 1:07:13.080 --> 1:07:15.360 makes a lot of sense to take it to South Korea. 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:18.600 It's like thirty minutes from Seoul. I think that will 1:07:18.600 --> 1:07:23.120 be like very cool to watch the way that is 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:28.720 received over there from the crowds and the excitement around that. Yeah, 1:07:28.760 --> 1:07:32.320 and then we'll see Frisco for the first time for 1:07:32.480 --> 1:07:36.000 the KPMG Women's PGA, so that will be kind of 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:40.000 the first of many, many, many majors down there. Yeah, 1:07:40.080 --> 1:07:43.960 so those are those are the highlights. Absolutely, that's great. 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:44.720 That's great. 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:49.000 All right, Meg, we'll have you on I don't know, 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:52.800 sometime soon as the LPGA kicks off. That was a 1:07:52.840 --> 1:07:56.240 fun twenty twenty four and look forward to hear more 1:07:56.280 --> 1:07:57.520 from you in twenty twenty five. 1:07:58.240 --> 1:07:58.600 Awesome. 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:12.520 Thanks Andy, all right, thank you for listening to another 1:08:12.640 --> 1:08:14.640 edition of the Friday Golf Podcast. 1:08:14.960 --> 1:08:15.840 Big thanks to PJ. 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:20.639 Clark for editing and producing this podcast. If you're looking 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:23.680 for a great gift for the holiday season other than 1:08:23.720 --> 1:08:26.360 the ones we talked about at the top, check out 1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:30.800 Club tf This is our annual membership. 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