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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: What is your take of that June twenty fifth report

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Speaker 1: that really didn't say anything, Well, I didn't say much.

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Speaker 1: I suspect, excuse me from the reactions of some of

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Speaker 1: the congressmen who one of the congressmen at least who's

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Speaker 1: seen it seen the classified report, that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: more in there. There's something like forty five minutes of video,

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Speaker 1: and Marco Rubio hinted that it was going to be

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Speaker 1: leaked by someone, and which is an unusual thing for

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Speaker 1: a senator to say unless he's hoping it will happen.

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Speaker 1: And so that's part of it. But even the part

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Speaker 1: that was released, which is very little, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I know everybody who's involved in the UFO phenomenon was disappointed,

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Speaker 1: and I knew they would be before it was even released.

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Speaker 1: But there is a point in it on page four

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Speaker 1: that's very important. It talks about socio cultural stigmas remain

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Speaker 1: obstacles to collecting data on UAPs, and they point out

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Speaker 1: narratives from aviators in the operational community and analysts from

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Speaker 1: the military and ice intelligence community describe disparagement associated with

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Speaker 1: observing UAP, reporting it, or attempting to discuss it with colleagues.

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Speaker 1: Although the effects of these stigmas have lessened as senior

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Speaker 1: members of the scientific policy, military, and intelligence communities engage

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Speaker 1: on the topic seriously, reputational risk may keep many observers silent.

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Speaker 1: Now this is this lays down a new kind of

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Speaker 1: a rule. It's saying that if you get information, if

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Speaker 1: someone wants to discuss information like that are reported, they

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Speaker 1: are not to be disparaged. And this works not only

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Speaker 1: within the military, but it's also serves notice to the

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Speaker 1: scientific and academic communities that sneering at this, laughing at

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Speaker 1: it and dismissing it as swamp gas or birds or

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Speaker 1: cockpit reflections or any of that, that's over. And it

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Speaker 1: also says to the granting community that you have the

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Speaker 1: right and the obligation, perhaps even to start granting in

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Speaker 1: this field to researchers who want to engage in it

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Speaker 1: from within the scientific and academic communities. And I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of scientists and academics were very interested in

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Speaker 1: this and can't get very far with it simply because

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Speaker 1: they can't get grants. And I think that this document

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Speaker 1: is going to change that. I'm hoping it will. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting too, this government has had UFO reports and

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Speaker 1: investigations going on nineteen forty eight, they had Project Signed

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty nine, Project grub Grudge, and they moved the

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Speaker 1: blue Book. They've been doing this for a long time. Whitley, well,

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Speaker 1: they have. And one of the things the media, the

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Speaker 1: general media is certainly not coast, but the general media

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Speaker 1: has no past. It doesn't really do history, and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't get it, largely because that's not its job. But

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Speaker 1: the result of this is that we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: things that have happened since two thousand and four recently,

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Speaker 1: and it's as if that's when it started. And that's

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Speaker 1: why people can offer opinions like, well, it must be

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Speaker 1: ours stuff. And the report states specifically that it is

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Speaker 1: not that these aren't our things that were built by us.

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Speaker 1: But anyone who's familiar with this at all knows about

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Speaker 1: things like the Twining Memo, which was circulated secretly by

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Speaker 1: General Nathan Twining on September the twenty third, nineteen forty seven,

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Speaker 1: in which he describes the action of objects that he

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Speaker 1: says the phenomena reported is something real and not visionary

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Speaker 1: or fictitious. There are objects probably approximating the shape of

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Speaker 1: a disc of such appreciable size as to appear as

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Speaker 1: large as man made aircraft. There is a possibility that

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Speaker 1: some of the incidents may be caused by now actual

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Speaker 1: phenomena such as meteors, the reported operational and this is

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Speaker 1: the important part. Operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability,

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Speaker 1: particularly en role and action which must be considered evasive

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Speaker 1: when cited or contacted by friendly aircraft, and radar lead belief.

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Speaker 1: Lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects

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Speaker 1: are controlled either manually, automatically, or remotely. Now, that is

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Speaker 1: a description of the same type of movement that we

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Speaker 1: see described in the and see on now on video

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Speaker 1: in the material since Night that has been released since

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four. That description was written in nineteen

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Speaker 1: forty seven. So there's no way that this is this

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Speaker 1: is something that we built. We didn't have this in

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven. Neither did the Russians. No one did

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Speaker 1: in forty seven at all, and I don't think anyone

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Speaker 1: does now, although I would certainly hope that we know

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about their propulsion methods and so forth,

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Speaker 1: because we've been looking at this now for a very

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Speaker 1: long time, and I'm pretty sure. In fact, i'd be

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Speaker 1: so got so far as to say, I'm certain that

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Speaker 1: we have metal from the objects. And I'm certain of

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Speaker 1: this for a simple reason. I've got some of it myself.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it came from Art Bell. It's part of

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Speaker 1: Art's part. He gave me part of it. He gave

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Speaker 1: given it to someone, to others. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask him, but I have what he gave me

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Speaker 1: most of it. Some of it was relieved from me

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Speaker 1: at Southwest Research in Texas. Oh it's little, it's a

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Speaker 1: tiny piece, but it's an absolutely fascinating and remarkable piece.

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Speaker 1: U It is just a fragment. But when you look

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Speaker 1: at it under even not not even an electron microscope,

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Speaker 1: but just a six hundred power optical microscope, what you

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Speaker 1: see is layers of bisimuth and then magnesium that is

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Speaker 1: somehow turned into a foam, and then bisimus and magnesium

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Speaker 1: and bisimuth and magnesium. Now that doesn't sound very remarkable,

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Speaker 1: except from one problem. There's nothing between the layers, but

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Speaker 1: empty space, and you can see that clearly, and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing holding them together. They're not there's no adherent but

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Speaker 1: it's together. But it's it. You can't break this thing

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Speaker 1: up at all. We try it. It's really really strong.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's magnetus. It's weird. We have no idea.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's like a little tiny miracle. And it's

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Speaker 1: a fragment of something that exploded very violently, and I

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Speaker 1: mean very violently, because whatever broke that up was a

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Speaker 1: very unusually powerful explosion. Did arn't ever keep a piece

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Speaker 1: or did he just give it away to you and Linda?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Aaron may well have some of this.

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Speaker 1: may not even know what it is. Yeah, possibly not.

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Speaker 1: I mean it maybe in somewhere. He may well have

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Speaker 1: kept some of it. He gave me, He gave me

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Speaker 1: some little pieces of metal. How did he get it

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Speaker 1: I think that this stuff. I know that, even though

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Speaker 1: worked on this metal, and not my particular piece, but

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Speaker 1: this this metal for a long time. But he could

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Speaker 1: have lifted it from that place. Oh no, he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: get it from Battel. Somebody, somebody who said that they

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Speaker 1: And that may be true, because the other thing is

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Speaker 1: that the other little pieces of metal I was going

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Speaker 1: to tell you about, they were little. Linda had some

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Speaker 1: and I kept them in a Manila envelope for years.

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Speaker 1: And one day I opened that envelope and the interior

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Speaker 1: at the time I was living in Texas, and I

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Speaker 1: by a friend of my family, Tom Slick. He was

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Speaker 1: a very wealthy oil man who had died tragically in

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Speaker 1: an airplane crash. But before he did that, he founded

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Speaker 1: then Science, the Mind Science Foundation, and the Southwest Research Institute,

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Speaker 1: which is now one of the leading research institutes of

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Speaker 1: its type in the world. Anyway, doctor Mallow was one

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Speaker 1: pretty much run of the campus. And I brought this

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Speaker 1: I never got it back. But but then later Jacques

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Speaker 1: Vallet and doctor Gary Nolan, who has done a lot

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Speaker 1: been on cost, but Jack has analyze some of this

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Speaker 1: same possibly even the same fragments that I gave ended

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Speaker 1: yet there it was. And to change isotopic ratios takes

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Speaker 1: We could we could direct, we could not do that.

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Speaker 1: But why someone would not only make something that has

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Speaker 1: complete mystery. What when, when you've looked at this, what

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to something really interesting. I know Jacques

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Speaker 1: to talk about their new book Trinity. Well, there's something

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Speaker 1: What happens is this a rancher comes into town with

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Speaker 1: He found the remains. These remains. Now, this causes a

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Speaker 1: You see the connection there a trinity site. Now we're

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Speaker 1: next to the atomic bombs. Now, of course, the military

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Speaker 1: He was an intelligence officer and Jesse Marcel went as well,

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Speaker 1: now what they've found, I'll get to that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: I knew General Arthur Exon pretty well. He was my

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Speaker 1: me that when they were at right Field in the

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Speaker 1: Airmitariel Command back in nineteen forty seven, they had been

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Speaker 1: involved in the receiving of the debris in the biological

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Speaker 1: materials from Roswell. Now, let's go back to the situation

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Speaker 1: as it existed on the ground. Then they go out there,

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Speaker 1: they do find that something has crashed there. They know

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Speaker 1: for certain immediately that it is no weather balloon and

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Speaker 1: it's not theirs. They know that, and no kite or anything,

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Speaker 1: no target kite, it's nothing like that. But what they

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