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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly
Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today,
Speaker 2: joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Robert Evans. This episode,
Speaker 2: we're covering the week of April thirtieth to May seventh.
Speaker 1: Yes, when you think of ed, you think about rigid
Speaker 1: cylindrical things now flying at high speed towards miss That's
Speaker 1: a bad way to introduce the facts. There's now a
Speaker 1: war going on between India and Pakistan. I don't know
Speaker 1: what else are we supposed to do? How are we
Speaker 1: supposed to go into this? Pakistan and India are are shooting.
Speaker 3: Yeah's okay, okay, I'm going to attempt to do a
Speaker 3: very very very very brief Please God like do not
Speaker 3: let this be the extent of your knowledge about this conflict.
Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, here is one paragraph about this. So
Speaker 3: when India gains and Pakistan eventually gained independence from the
Speaker 3: UK and the British Empire, there was the partition. This
Speaker 3: is a process in which millions died and India and
Speaker 3: Pakistan were split into two states.
Speaker 1: Millions die as a result of the disruption to infrastructure
Speaker 1: and as a result of mascular.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again people fleeing, like back and forth between
Speaker 3: the two places. There's been a studio territory for fucking ever.
Speaker 3: One of the most contentious parts of this has always
Speaker 3: been Kashmir mahrg walk. There's a whole complicated thing here,
Speaker 3: but so Kashmir was sort of split in two. There's
Speaker 3: an almost entirely Muslim like territory that ends up under
Speaker 3: the control of India, and India has waged a brutal
Speaker 3: military occupation of Kashmir since they got it. Basically, it
Speaker 3: ramps up and down in terms of like how bad
Speaker 3: it is, but it's never good. Yeah, in this this
Speaker 3: has been a constant source of attension between India and Pakistan,
Speaker 3: where you know, Pakistan has played its card of like
Speaker 3: we are like the defenders of Muslims in India. And
Speaker 3: there's been a series of wars also, but this this
Speaker 3: is one of the few times you can say there
Speaker 3: are jedicides on both sides. And it's true because like
Speaker 3: one of the wars that they fought was because of
Speaker 3: the jedicide that Pakistan did in what became Bangladesh. So like,
Speaker 3: there are no heroes in this story, there is only
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, like you know, there are people
Speaker 3: resisting repression from both states.
Speaker 1: They are good people, but neither of the states have
Speaker 1: clean ams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the states sucks shit, right, Like you know,
Speaker 3: Let let's be clear about that. Kashmir is one of
Speaker 3: the most militarized places in the world. It got much
Speaker 3: much worse after twenty nineteen when India withdrew the autonomous
Speaker 3: status that Kashmiir had had. This sparked a bunch of protests.
Speaker 3: They're horribly repressed. There's been staggering numbers of people have
Speaker 3: died over the past like thirty years. There look a
Speaker 3: lot of like Hesbra's acxis, the outside world has been
Speaker 3: cut off. It's difficult to get people like in to it.
Speaker 3: And obviously, you know, the thing about occupations is that
Speaker 3: there's been a very very long running series of sort
Speaker 3: of insurgencies and militant groups in Kashmir of various kinds.
Speaker 3: Pakistan has funded some of these groups as a way
Speaker 3: to sort of like poke a stick at India, and
Speaker 3: in late April a group killed twenty odd twenty six
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, twenty twenty six, I think yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it's the final number, like Hindu tourists in Kashmir.
Speaker 3: It's worth noting that there's no actual evidence that Pakistan
Speaker 3: is behind this, but no, but that's India's claim. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's India's claim. And this is causings to get really
Speaker 3: really bad in Kashmir itself, which is the part of
Speaker 3: this I think has gotten lost in a lot of
Speaker 3: the discussions here, which is like like if you if
Speaker 3: you read statements from from like I mean like, A,
Speaker 3: there's just been like an incredible intensification of oppression, and
Speaker 3: b if you read statements from Indian officials there, they're
Speaker 3: just straight up talking about quote like Indian style final
Speaker 3: solutions for Kashmir. It's completely unhinged. The Indian state has
Speaker 3: gone into this, I mean, like, you know, it's it's Modi, right.
Speaker 3: Modi is running probably the world's most effective fascist government
Speaker 3: and his thing is always like a huge part of
Speaker 3: it has always been specifically about like wanting to repress Muslims,
Speaker 3: and this, you know, has has kicked the homophobia into
Speaker 3: an absolute fever pitch. And the product of this is
Speaker 3: that they have started doing strikes inside of Pakistan. I'm
Speaker 3: going to pass it over to Robert and talk about
Speaker 3: like what does have looked like and what this conflict
Speaker 3: has been.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and it's important to know that during this
Speaker 1: terrorist attack, one of the big things that is alleged
Speaker 1: is that husbands were executed in front of their wives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is that is going to be relevant for the
Speaker 1: name of the operation that India is in the process
Speaker 1: of carrying out right now. Prior to in the immediate
Speaker 1: wake of that attack, everyone knew some shit was going
Speaker 1: to go down on the border. India was going to
Speaker 1: do some thing, in part because India said they were
Speaker 1: going to do something. Right.
Speaker 4: JD.
Speaker 1: Vance, the Peacemaker, as we call him, I don't believe
Speaker 1: anyone else has ever been called that in the history
Speaker 1: of government or popular media. So, yeah, that seems like
Speaker 1: a good nickname for him. Went to India like a
Speaker 1: day or two before this all happened to calm things down.
Speaker 1: This is often making a visit to the pope or
Speaker 1: to tell Mody do whatever. Like, we don't know actually
Speaker 1: what he said. Some people are like Vance must have
Speaker 1: given him the go ahead. I think it's just as
Speaker 1: likely Vance was like Hey, we don't really want a
Speaker 1: war right now? Can he calm shit down? And Mody
Speaker 1: didn't listen or that Vance just didn't even have anything
Speaker 1: meaningful to say. We actually don't know at the moment.
Speaker 1: But last night India started carrying out what they are
Speaker 1: calling Operation Sindoor Si Indo r is how it is
Speaker 1: generally anglicized. The name of the operation comes from. Again,
Speaker 1: I mentioned a little earlier that during that terrorist attack
Speaker 1: in Kashmir, Hindumen were killed in front of their wives.
Speaker 1: Sindoor is a word that refers to this kind of
Speaker 1: color or die that I believe it's like a bridal
Speaker 1: thing that like women put in I think it's in
Speaker 1: their hair. But it's a reference to something that is
Speaker 1: part of like a traditional Hindu wedding and something that
Speaker 1: the bride does. And so it was specifically named this
Speaker 1: in order to make it very clear. This is vengeance
Speaker 1: for that attack, right, Like, that's why it was named
Speaker 1: what it was. Okay, does that all make sense? Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: I've got here. Sindor is the Hindi word for vermilion,
Speaker 1: which is the red pignant Hindu women apply to their forehead. Right,
Speaker 1: So like that, and so it's it's a reference also
Speaker 1: to the fact that these terrorists are said to have
Speaker 1: like shot their victims in the forehead, right, So there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on there basically, Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: what's relevant. So when it comes to this what's happening,
Speaker 1: first off, perfectly reasonable to call what's happening war. India
Speaker 1: has launched cross border strikes. They appear to have launched
Speaker 1: both cruise missiles and air strikes using modern jets.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Pakistan has responded with modern military air defenses. What we
Speaker 1: can safely say right now is that this is the
Speaker 1: first full twenty first century here on peer military action.
Speaker 1: And I know, as came up in the meeting, people
Speaker 1: are going to say, well, Ukraine, not entirely Ukraine and Russia.
Speaker 1: There is a degree to which that is true, because
Speaker 1: Ukraine is armed by states that are peer or more
Speaker 1: than peer to Russia in terms of military technology. But
Speaker 1: Ukraine does not have an industrial base that is in
Speaker 1: any way comparable to Russia's. They're not capable of manufacturing
Speaker 1: the weaponry that they need to compete with Russia on
Speaker 1: the battlefield on their own. That's why international aid has
Speaker 1: been so critical Pakistan and India are both effectively peers
Speaker 1: in that they both do purchase weaponry a lot from
Speaker 1: other countries, but they also have domestic arms industries, and
Speaker 1: they have potent domestic militaries that are armed to a
Speaker 1: comparable standard. Right, and so there's a few things happening here.
Speaker 1: I do not want to lose count of the fact
Speaker 1: that people are dying. Obviously, civilians died in that attack
Speaker 1: in Kashmir. At the moment, it looks like the death
Speaker 1: toll from the initial Indian strikes is somewhere around forty.
Speaker 1: Pakistan is claiming the vast majority of those are civilians.
Speaker 1: India is claiming that they only hit infrastructure associated with
Speaker 1: the terrorist group that they believe carried out the attacks
Speaker 1: in Kashmir that they claim is being supported by Pakistan.
Speaker 1: There is substantial evidence the majority of the dead are civilians.
Speaker 1: People have claimed that large chunks of their families were
Speaker 1: wiped out in these strikes. I don't see any reason
Speaker 1: to doubt that, knowing how air strikes work. A good
Speaker 1: number of the dead, though, have also occurred as a
Speaker 1: result of cross border artillery fire, and it's unclear to
Speaker 1: me if India and Pakistan have had a full on
Speaker 1: artillery duel across the border, or if this is Pakistan's
Speaker 1: artillery firing back in response to the air strikes, that
Speaker 1: part is unclear. There are also videos where you could
Speaker 1: hear small arms fire, so machine guns and the like,
Speaker 1: and reports that that is coming from Pakistan's side too.
Speaker 1: It's possible there is a cross border direct arm engagement.
Speaker 1: It's possible no one died as a result of the
Speaker 1: small arms fire, given the distances that this is occurring
Speaker 1: at right, that the only nets have been due to
Speaker 1: field artillery and due to missile stripes, right, that seems
Speaker 1: likely at this point. It's possible the death toll is
Speaker 1: much higher than forty, but that's somewhere around there is
Speaker 1: what's been confirmed right now. Now we have talked about
Speaker 1: the deaths. Obviously, the biggest concern is the loss in
Speaker 1: human life. Here, I am going to talk about what
Speaker 1: this means on a military level, because that is relevant
Speaker 1: both how this conflict is going to proceed and how
Speaker 1: future conflicts are going to proceed, because we have not
Speaker 1: seen a peer on peer fight like this before in
Speaker 1: this century, right, So one of the more important things
Speaker 1: as to how this has preceded is that a number
Speaker 1: of the jets that India launched across the border are
Speaker 1: what are called refalls our afal E. This is a
Speaker 1: French fighter jet. It is broadly considered to be equivalent
Speaker 1: to an F eighteen super Hornet. Now, I say that
Speaker 1: if you go online and you listen to people who
Speaker 1: are nerds about fighter jets, they will pull a knife
Speaker 1: on you for claiming that.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: There are major differences between the two airframes. One of
Speaker 1: them is that the Refall is a larger plane, which
Speaker 1: means it's theoretically capable. Not theoretically, it is capable of
Speaker 1: a significantly higher payload. However, there's a couple of problems
Speaker 1: that come with that. One is that the super Hornet
Speaker 1: not only is it a smaller craft, but it is
Speaker 1: built for carrier duty, which means it's wings fold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can fit more of them on a carrier. They
Speaker 1: take off and land more easily from a carrier, or
Speaker 1: a fall can take off and land from a carrier,
Speaker 1: but it has to have a different load out right.
Speaker 1: The other issue, a super Hornet can stay supersonic with
Speaker 1: its full payload for longer periods of time. That means
Speaker 1: that it can be breaking the sound barrier consistently, not
Speaker 1: just using its after burner for like a quick burst
Speaker 1: of speed. That matters because the faster you're going, the
Speaker 1: harder you are.
Speaker 4: To shoot down.
Speaker 1: The primary erit ground package it has is what's called
Speaker 1: a hammer and that's an acronym hammer. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it stands for off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: but they are between two hundred and fifty and one
Speaker 1: thousand pounds each. Right, these are their air to ground
Speaker 1: men that they are equipped with standard. It's possible India
Speaker 1: has a separate load out for them. I don't actually know.
Speaker 1: This is their standard armament. Now. They can only have
Speaker 1: their full complement if they're not going supersonic, so they
Speaker 1: cannot go supersonic for a comparable period of time to
Speaker 1: a super Hornet if they have a full compliment. From
Speaker 1: a military technology standpoint, the biggest news from the initial
Speaker 1: stage of the strike is that at least one of
Speaker 1: these refalls has been destroyed. There's decent evidence that potentially
Speaker 1: another two. If India lost three of these jets they
Speaker 1: have thirty six. That is a meaningful degradation of their
Speaker 1: entire air force capability to strike. Right. Losing these jets
Speaker 1: and they cannot be replaced on any kind of timeframe
Speaker 1: that is comparable to how quickly they're being shot down.
Speaker 1: Pakistan is claiming significantly more that they Pakistan's claim is
Speaker 1: that they've downed three rafalls, one MiG twenty nine, one
Speaker 1: SU thirty MKI and at least one Israeli made herondrone.
Speaker 1: People generally say Pakistan is probably exaggerating. However, French authorities
Speaker 1: have confirmed at least one rafall, and there's two more
Speaker 1: than possibilities that are being looked into. It's possible three
Speaker 1: planes were downed, but only one was a refall. We
Speaker 1: don't really know yet, right, but even one is a
Speaker 1: meaningful loss, and the fact that it was downed says
Speaker 1: a couple of things. One thing is that there's a
Speaker 1: decent chance what I suspect we might hear, especially if
Speaker 1: three of these went down, is that India sent these
Speaker 1: things off with a full strike package, so they were
Speaker 1: not able to go as fast as they normally can,
Speaker 1: and thus we're not able to evade Pakistan's anti air defenses. Right,
Speaker 1: that may be what happened. The other thing that we're
Speaker 1: seeing here is that Pakistan is equipped. They buy the
Speaker 1: best part and Pakistan has a lot of S three
Speaker 1: hundreds and S four hundreds, I believe, which are like
Speaker 1: what we've seen in Ukraine. Those have had a very
Speaker 1: mixed operational history in terms of their capability to take
Speaker 1: out modern aircraft. Pakistan also has a lot of PL
Speaker 1: fifteen radar guided anti air missiles. These are Chinese anti
Speaker 1: aircraft missiles. They have never been used in combat before.
Speaker 1: If you're a nerd for like modern military technology, one
Speaker 1: of the things people have been talking about in that
Speaker 1: field for a long time is like, how are these
Speaker 1: going to function? And we just know that they've been
Speaker 1: used because wreckage from them has been found and photographed
Speaker 1: and people who are experts in these missiles online have
Speaker 1: confirmed this is from this weapons package. It is very
Speaker 1: likely that the Rafal that was down was downed by
Speaker 1: this missile, and if more than one was down, that
Speaker 1: they were all downed by these missiles. So that tells
Speaker 1: us a lot about the comparable capabilities of both this
Speaker 1: modern Western fighter that the French are selling and of
Speaker 1: this Chinese anti aircraft missile. Right, and so that's really
Speaker 1: relevant if we're looking at both how this conflict is
Speaker 1: going to proceed, Because I don't want to be coming
Speaker 1: up from this bloodless like, Oh, I'm just interested in
Speaker 1: the military strategy part. This is relevant because if India
Speaker 1: has lost three of these advanced fighters that they cannot
Speaker 1: replace on any kind of comparable timeframe in the first
Speaker 1: few hours of strikes, that suggests one of two potential
Speaker 1: future outcomes. Number One, the tempo of use of advanced
Speaker 1: aircraft in this war is going to change considerably as
Speaker 1: it drags into the next stages, right, because they simply
Speaker 1: can't maintain that tempo. That can't continue to take those
Speaker 1: sort of risks, and that either means moving on to
Speaker 1: a lot more ground engagements between infantry, between tanks between artillery,
Speaker 1: like direct face to face shit, or a potential for
Speaker 1: escalating things to the next level. And the only next
Speaker 1: level higher than where we're at is nuclear, Right. I
Speaker 1: don't think that is the likeliest outcome. I do not
Speaker 1: think a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India is the
Speaker 1: likeliest thing at this point. However, the rate at which
Speaker 1: India is a tritting air assets means that they're going
Speaker 1: to have to make a choice in the not too
Speaker 1: distant future. Right, Although it's also worth noting we don't
Speaker 1: know entirely the degree to which Pakistan's anti air defenses
Speaker 1: have been attreated by this. Right, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: open there's a lot of unknown unknowns and known unknowns here. Right.
Speaker 1: As our good friend Rumsfeld would say, I will say
Speaker 1: the other issue here, if there is a nuclear ext change,
Speaker 1: it's going to be the greatest humanitarian catastrophe of the century.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it's going to be a nuclear war
Speaker 1: across the entire world, and that shouldn't be your first concern.
Speaker 1: Your first concern should be that that would still mean
Speaker 1: millions of deaths in India and Pakistan, potentially at least
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: The concern is not they start, so everyone else does,
Speaker 1: it's they start, and thus the worst humanitarian disaster since
Speaker 1: World War two occurs.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean some of the most densely populated cities on
Speaker 6: Earth are in this region. Like a strike in any
Speaker 6: major city that would be devastating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a strike in Islamabad would be the worst thing
Speaker 1: that's happened, possibly since the Holocaust, in terms of like
Speaker 1: human death told due to human actions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 6: India claimed that they were launching a quote non escalatory
Speaker 6: strike in it so much as that means shit.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 6: They also claimed that they PL fifteen didn't have its
Speaker 6: intercept ahead, which I guess the French intelligence refuted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is all There's a lot that's unknown
Speaker 1: about kind of how these weapons have performed still, but
Speaker 1: these are in terms of both how this conflict is
Speaker 1: going to proceed and how future conflicts will proceed. These
Speaker 1: are things you should be looking at because these weapons
Speaker 1: platforms there. This is important in terms of what war
Speaker 1: is going to continue to look like.
Speaker 3: I think it's also worth noting a couple of things.
Speaker 3: One is that this is by far the largest like
Speaker 3: clash that these countries have had in a long time.
Speaker 3: But also like there have been like periodic like cross
Speaker 3: border skirmishes around Casume for a while now, right like
Speaker 3: there was a pretty big flare up in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: that kind of less than twenty twenty one, And so
Speaker 3: there is a chance that this doesn't turn into a
Speaker 3: full scale war and that you get something more like
Speaker 3: what happened sort of recently with Israel and Ran, where
Speaker 3: they like bomb each other a few times and then
Speaker 3: everyone sort of packs up their bags and goes home
Speaker 3: and continues to like poke each other with militant groups
Speaker 3: instead of it being like tanks. And I think that
Speaker 3: is like orders of magnitude more likely than like nukes flying. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just it's sort of like, yeah, like the chance at
Speaker 3: which these people start shooting dukes to each other is
Speaker 3: not very high.
Speaker 4: Like yes, just like in.
Speaker 3: The history of nuclear weapons too, you have to understand that,
Speaker 3: like some of the most unhinged people who have ever lived,
Speaker 3: like Curtis le May, like the US and the Soviets
Speaker 3: never did it, like Mao Mao and the Soviets never
Speaker 3: did it, Like apartheid South Africa had nuclear weapons and
Speaker 3: never use them. Some of the worst people who have
Speaker 3: ever lived have had access to the nukes, have never
Speaker 3: fired them. The odds that you're gonna die in nuclear
Speaker 3: fire are very very, very very very low. It's not
Speaker 3: good now, everything that's happening here is very bad. But
Speaker 3: like you do not need to be like living in
Speaker 3: existential terror of like fire raining from the sky. That's
Speaker 3: not like a reasonable reaction to this, and I've been
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of that.
Speaker 1: So no, it's it's far from the likeliest outcome, and
Speaker 1: your primary concern should be to people who are living
Speaker 1: there right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: You know, it's worth noting that the nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 1: and the Cargo War, that was not an insignal death toll, right,
Speaker 1: Like you're talking probably like certainly more than a thousand,
Speaker 1: I think one thousand to a couple one thousand people,
Speaker 1: So that would not be that's not certainly not out
Speaker 1: of the question without it escalating in that way. I
Speaker 1: think the primary concern that you always have, and why
Speaker 1: I bring up weapons systems, is that countries think in
Speaker 1: terms of stuff like this a lot. This is a
Speaker 1: big part of why we get World War one.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: You have these nations that are arming, and they're always
Speaker 1: concerned with how do my weapons compare to my neighbors
Speaker 1: if we go to war. Now, I feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about where I'm at, and if I wait another two years,
Speaker 1: maybe they'll be in a better position. And thinking like
Speaker 1: that is part of the planning that's going on in
Speaker 1: these states, and the planning about when do we escalate
Speaker 1: and how do we escalate? Right, do we move to
Speaker 1: a point where we've got masses of infantry shooting at
Speaker 1: each other, Well, maybe if we can't risk the continued
Speaker 1: attrition of our advanced air assets, we do that, or
Speaker 1: maybe we make another decision. That's why it's relevant to
Speaker 1: know about this stuff, not because you want to nerd
Speaker 1: out over who's got the coolest missile, who's got the
Speaker 1: coolest planes, but because that is very much how states think.
Speaker 1: Right anyway, before we're going to add to tight this
Speaker 1: back to the executive dysfunction, because that is what this
Speaker 1: is about, yea, not the current Wars podcast. In the
Speaker 1: immediate wake of all of this, President Trump was asked about, Hey,
Speaker 1: how about these two nuclear armed states going to war?
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? And he gave a,
Speaker 1: you know, just a traditionally eloquent, you know, Donald Trump response,
Speaker 1: It's a shame we just heard about it. I guess
Speaker 1: people knew something was going to happen based on a
Speaker 1: little bit of the past. They've been fighting for a
Speaker 1: long time. I just hope it ends quickly, me too, buddy, correct,
Speaker 1: I guess I guess they've been fighting for a long time. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: let's go to ads.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk now about some other horrifying geopolitical news. Hey,
Speaker 2: this is Garrison from Friday May ninth. I have a
Speaker 2: correction to make on the original copy of this episode.
Speaker 2: I made an error in saying Greta Thunberg was aboard
Speaker 2: a humanitarian aid ship off the coast of Italy that
Speaker 2: was airstriked by Israel. The ship was indeed attacked, but
Speaker 2: she was not on that ship. I watched a video
Speaker 2: of her discussing the attack and it sounded first person,
Speaker 2: and then we recorded shortly thereafter. But now it's clear
Speaker 2: she was not on this ship but instead planned to
Speaker 2: board later that day on the way to Gaza as
Speaker 2: a part of the humanitarian aid organization the Freedom Flotilla Coalition.
Speaker 2: More than a dozen other aid workers were aboard the
Speaker 2: vessel when it was hit, and this relates to the
Speaker 2: larger humanitarian aid crisis in Gaza. Now back to the episode.
Speaker 2: The past two months, Israel has forcibly cut off all food, water, machines, supplies,
Speaker 2: and other humanitarian aid to Gaza, starving the Palatinian people.
Speaker 2: As not Naho continues to reject ceasefire deals. Reports from
Speaker 2: the UN say that Gaza will run out of food
Speaker 2: in days.
Speaker 1: Yep, I mean it looks like a starvation genocide. I
Speaker 1: don't know how else to phrase this. There's really nothing else.
Speaker 1: This isn't the time to mince words like every piece
Speaker 1: of evidence suggests this is a starvation genocide being carried out,
Speaker 1: that they're trying to starve this population to death or
Speaker 1: until they all leave, which is the same. Genocide does
Speaker 1: not necessarily mean you kill everyone. It is the forced
Speaker 1: killing and or displacement of a population.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Israel says that the Palestinians still have food for
Speaker 2: a few months, but the UN and other aid organizations
Speaker 2: say that is not true.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Last Sunday night, Israel's Security cabinet approved a plan to
Speaker 2: reoccupy and hold the Gaza Strip if a new Seaspire
Speaker 2: deal isn't reached by May fifteenth, while Yahoo and Israeli
Speaker 2: officials continue to undermine negotiations for a permanent ceasefire. This
Speaker 2: plan is called Gideon's Chariots.
Speaker 1: Jesus fucking Christ.
Speaker 2: The plan is for the IDF to invade with four
Speaker 2: to five armored infantry divisions, mobilizing uproots of seventy thousand reservists,
Speaker 2: which would gradually occupy and secure basically the entire Gaza Strip.
Speaker 2: According to Israel's Finance Minister, this IDF occupation would be permanent,
Speaker 2: not even pulling back with the release of any remaining hostages,
Speaker 2: though other Israeli officials disagree on this and say this
Speaker 2: would be a temporary occupation. Pretty hard to take their
Speaker 2: word on that all remaining buildings would be destroyed, flattening
Speaker 2: the entirety of the strip, just like Rafa and the
Speaker 2: northern side. Amir Aviv, the founder of the Israel Defense
Speaker 2: and Security Forum think tank and a former deputy commander
Speaker 2: of the Israeli forces, say, quote, this is the only
Speaker 2: way to eradicate Hamas militarily and governmentally is to take
Speaker 2: over Gaza and to conquer the area and destroy them unquote.
Speaker 2: There's some added complications with like legally like occupying Gaza
Speaker 2: under the Geneva Convention, a formal occupation would require Israel
Speaker 2: to have the capacity to operate as an official government
Speaker 2: authority in this region. Now, there's no indication that Israel
Speaker 2: will like follow the Geneva Convention, as they haven't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Israel.
Speaker 6: They never have given a shit, Yeah don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see why we'd expect that.
Speaker 2: But if they do occupy, they they would be more
Speaker 2: like liable for the well being of the Palestinians that
Speaker 2: would be inside the territory and the IDEF doesn't have
Speaker 2: a plan for this. They are planning to forcedly relocate
Speaker 2: around two million Palestinians to a single quote unquote humanitarian
Speaker 2: area which is positioned in the rubble of Ratha, where
Speaker 2: secure quote unquote compounds are being constructed to distribute food
Speaker 2: and supplies to Palestinians who are screened and approved as
Speaker 2: not being members of Hamas. This area will be managed
Speaker 2: by private US companies and a quote unquote new international foundation,
Speaker 2: which works with Israel and the United States established aid
Speaker 2: organizations in the un announced that they would not be
Speaker 2: participating in running these quote unquote compounds, calling this a
Speaker 2: tactic to give the Israeli military even more power over
Speaker 2: how aid is distributed, saying in a statement quote it
Speaker 2: contravenes fundamental humanitarian principles and appears designed to reinforce control
Speaker 2: over life sustaining items as a pressure tactic as part
Speaker 2: of a military strategy. It is dangerous driving civilians into
Speaker 2: militarized zones to collect rations, threatening lives, including those of
Speaker 2: humanitarian workers, while further entrenching forced DISPLACEMENTEEAH an Israeli official
Speaker 2: said the only alternative to being moved to this quote
Speaker 2: unquote humanitarian area would be to leave Gaza quote unquote
Speaker 2: voluntarily to other countries, citing Trump's plan to resettle displaced Powerians.
Speaker 4: Robert James Miya, do you want to comment on this?
Speaker 6: It's not much to say, so, like it's they're just
Speaker 6: saying the thing that they've been going for for a
Speaker 6: while now, which is the removal of all panasty to
Speaker 6: get people from the Goddess trip, either in body bags
Speaker 6: or to live somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I guess it's just straight up a genocide.
Speaker 4: Like they're describing a genocide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubting it. Like I don't even know,
Speaker 1: Like what is it? What is there to say? Right?
Speaker 1: Like at this point, I almost think other than obviously
Speaker 1: documenting what's happening is important, the only important thing to
Speaker 1: try to talk about it is like how can this
Speaker 1: be stopped? And or how can a degree of like
Speaker 1: what does justice look like at some point down the line?
Speaker 1: What should be done?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Like these are questions to ask, but like to just
Speaker 1: like I don't know what to keep saying other than like, yep,
Speaker 1: they're trying to wipe out Gaza like.
Speaker 2: Well, and specifically the use of these like quote unquote compounds,
Speaker 2: You're like rounding up and keeping people inside one secure.
Speaker 6: Area, concentrating the main camps.
Speaker 2: Like come on, guys, you're just setting up camps for
Speaker 2: Palestinians on the south side of the strip and like
Speaker 2: that's all that this is as they reoccupy and hold
Speaker 2: the entirety to quote unquote eliminate Hamas. So this Monday,
Speaker 2: Trump's going to start a three day visit to Saudi
Speaker 2: Arabia Cutter and the United Arab Emirates. This is while
Speaker 2: the US government has taken a backfoot on Gaza negotiations
Speaker 2: while still backing up net Yahoo and any actions taken
Speaker 2: by the Israeli military. Yeah, so we will know more
Speaker 2: about what Israel is actually going to do immediately in
Speaker 2: the region in like a week's time. Though it looks
Speaker 2: like they are going to be going forward with this
Speaker 2: May fifteenth reoccupation plan.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, so more good news from me. Immigration update.
Speaker 6: The New York Times today on the this is Wednesday
Speaker 6: the seventh is reporting that the Trump administration is as
Speaker 6: soon as today. I checked this before recording. The plane
Speaker 6: haven't taken off planning to ship people to migrants to Libya.
Speaker 6: The nationalities of people being renditioned there are not clear,
Speaker 6: but my guess would be that these are third party
Speaker 6: nationals that the US can't deport to their home countries
Speaker 6: like they previously deported these people to Panama and to Elsabadov.
Speaker 6: If you're not familiar with migrant detention in Libya, conditions
Speaker 6: are horrific, like among the worst things that can happen
Speaker 6: to people. The situation in Libya is currently the country
Speaker 6: is divided between the Tripoli government, which is recognized by
Speaker 6: the UN and which the US has formal government government
Speaker 6: relationships with, and Hafta's government based in Benghazi, which the
Speaker 6: Trump regime has associated with. Before. We have covered conditions
Speaker 6: in Libyan migrant detention camps before, which i'll chack in
Speaker 6: the show notes. And we also talked about the dangers
Speaker 6: faced by people leaving Libya towards the EU in a
Speaker 6: different episode, which I also list. But to recap, reports
Speaker 6: document starvation, rape, murder, slavery, and organ harvesting occurring in Libya.
Speaker 6: Mass graves, including one last year that was found with
Speaker 6: sixty five bodies in it, are not uncommon to quote
Speaker 6: from David Yambio. David Yambio is someone who was He
Speaker 6: was sold and then forced to fight in a militia
Speaker 6: in Libya, and I think, I believe he escaped and
Speaker 6: he is now in I think he's in Italy, but
Speaker 6: he's ready to be outspoken on this stuff. The slave
Speaker 6: trade is alive and thriving in Libya. It thrives in
Speaker 6: the silence of nations, in the shadows of complicit systems,
Speaker 6: and then the unchecked racism that dehumanizes black lives in
Speaker 6: other immigration US The government's attempt to delay Rumsa Oztek's
Speaker 6: return to Vermont was rejected by the second Circuit, so
Speaker 6: that means that she will have to be returned to
Speaker 6: She was arrested in Massachusetts, if you remember, for writing
Speaker 6: an op.
Speaker 4: At Tufts University. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, moved across state borders to Vermont and from their
Speaker 6: central Louisiana. So the habeas case was transferred to Vermont
Speaker 6: and as a rule that the government cannot de laboring
Speaker 6: her back there anymore. Another flight containing eighty one migrants
Speaker 6: left Panama yesterday at the United States expense. This is
Speaker 6: the continuation of a plan that the Biaen administration installed
Speaker 6: in summer last year, and the Trump administration has continued
Speaker 6: whereby the US funds deportations from Panama. Meanwhile, Tokyo Weekender
Speaker 6: in Japan is reporting that the United States is asking
Speaker 6: people to show five years of social media history in
Speaker 6: order to obtain a student visa, just to put that
Speaker 6: in perspective for people. So you have to either those
Speaker 6: accounts are deleted or no longer used, you have to
Speaker 6: declare them all on your form. If you're applying for
Speaker 6: student visa and you're at the younger end of a
Speaker 6: traditional aged undergraduate, you could have to list every social
Speaker 6: mediacount you've had since you were twelve on this form.
Speaker 6: And the US has required disclosure for a while, but
Speaker 6: like it hasn't been a practical thing. I haven't really
Speaker 6: ever heard from any one of anybody's visa being denied
Speaker 6: or asylum being denied based on social media posting. But
Speaker 6: this is now something that that they are asking people
Speaker 6: to disclose.
Speaker 2: Well and requiring, not like requiring it, not asking it
Speaker 2: is it is. It is going to be like an
Speaker 2: enforced requirement in a way that before it really hasn't been.
Speaker 2: It's the term that the law firm used in this
Speaker 2: piece is like in the past, this has been mostly
Speaker 2: quote unquote negligible. Yeah, and now this is something that
Speaker 2: the Department of State is really being adamant about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which will massively delay the time to process visa
Speaker 6: applications on top of everything else.
Speaker 2: People in Japan have compared this to two policies similar
Speaker 2: to that of China's Cultural Revolution.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean I've been to other countries to be clear,
Speaker 6: where they open up your social media and look at
Speaker 6: it when you're entering. But this is not a thing
Speaker 6: that anyone has ever associated with the United States. Finally,
Speaker 6: I guess the Freedom of the Press Foundation got some
Speaker 6: documentary release under a federal Freedom of Information Act. The
Speaker 6: outline that the intelligence community did not believe that the
Speaker 6: Maduro regime was controlling tender Agua, which was one of
Speaker 6: the claims that Trump administration has made in its invocation
Speaker 6: of the Alien Enemies Act. Right, So it's just kind
Speaker 6: of I think most people who pay any attention to
Speaker 6: the situation weren't really buying that, but but it's showing
Speaker 6: that this was documented by the US intelligence community as well.
Speaker 6: So yeah, any anything to add that the Libya stuff
Speaker 6: is bleak like it hasn't got much coverage in the US.
Speaker 6: We have covered it before, but the European Union is
Speaker 6: already complicit in the terrible treatment of migrants in Libya.
Speaker 6: And oh yeah, and for ages it has happened for
Speaker 6: ages like the so called Libyan Coast Guard of bringing
Speaker 6: people back to Libya and like literally set them from
Speaker 6: shelters to human traffickers. I mean, we've more or less
Speaker 6: kind of lined up behind some of the worst places
Speaker 6: on earth, like in terms of migrant detention, right with
Speaker 6: SECOT and this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more and more families are figuring out that like
Speaker 2: their family members have been sent to SCOT, like people
Speaker 2: who have not been named an official documentation. They've been
Speaker 2: able to search through these propaganda videos and identify more people,
Speaker 2: so they're launching court cases to have them returned, people
Speaker 2: who very clearly have had no gang affiliation. Not that
Speaker 2: that should even matter when you're sending people to the
Speaker 2: forever prison.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I saw one guy we've had a Donald Duck tattoo,
Speaker 6: and that was I guess the decisive claim there. Right,
Speaker 6: there's a form that ICE agents fill out, and there's
Speaker 6: a number of points they have to a mass I
Speaker 6: believe it's three points and one of the things that
Speaker 6: can allow you to a mass three points. It's like,
Speaker 6: I think two points come from a tattoo, which which
Speaker 6: they decide to be gang affiliated and.
Speaker 1: No, and again like they seem to just be saying
Speaker 1: tattoos period, right, Like anything is trindagua, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, people who have like soccer tattoos, people who
Speaker 2: have I love my mom and dad tattoos, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: There's an autism awareness tattoos.
Speaker 6: Yeah, some guy had an autism awareness Yeah. That one
Speaker 6: like haunts me because I have met young neurodivergent people
Speaker 6: and their families who are bringing them to the US
Speaker 6: to get what they thought was a better standard of care,
Speaker 6: right to allow their children to progress and have a
Speaker 6: beautiful life. Yeah, man, that one like, like, I honestly
Speaker 6: really struggle with that. I have spent lots and lots
Speaker 6: and lots of time with Venezuelan migrants and like they're
Speaker 6: my friends. And that particular one, like people whose children
Speaker 6: have any need for medical care right are overrepresented the
Speaker 6: migrant population because they just can't access it there, and
Speaker 6: so they upend their whole lives and carry their children
Speaker 6: across the continent to give them a chance at a
Speaker 6: better life life and like that one is particularly hard
Speaker 6: for me to win US. I did just want to
Speaker 6: mention on the topic of asylum. I have heard from
Speaker 6: so many migrants stuck in Mexico who are having a
Speaker 6: god awful time to include you know, robbery, kidnapping, sexual violence,
Speaker 6: of all of the things that we know can happen
Speaker 6: to migrants on the migrant trail. Because they have no
Speaker 6: pathway to get to the US, they're now just stuck there. Right.
Speaker 6: Mexico continues to take migrants and move them back south
Speaker 6: if it catches them near the United States border, even
Speaker 6: if some of them move up as far as Mexico City,
Speaker 6: right because they have access to services there, and then
Speaker 6: again sent back south to places where migrants have routinely
Speaker 6: been murdered. So I know, we're focusing a lot on
Speaker 6: migrants being kicked out of the US deported, renditioned. Conditions
Speaker 6: for migrants who aspired to come to the United States
Speaker 6: who took great risks to be Americans and are stuck
Speaker 6: in Mexico are also dire.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go and break and then come back
Speaker 2: for a few more updates before we close out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back. And wait a second, is that is
Speaker 1: that the tariff.
Speaker 3: Song Locky z b Jazz.
Speaker 6: Lock Locky Jazz by jazz Bob.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, I actually don't know. Do we have
Speaker 1: anything to say about tariffs this week?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we actually actually do us on Turff so good.
Speaker 1: I'm just we gotta get all of our use out
Speaker 1: of that song because again, we really do. We really
Speaker 1: had to suspend the whole team's healthcare to pay for it.
Speaker 1: It was monstrously expensive. The full cut of that song
Speaker 1: is seventeen and a half hours. We actually brought in
Speaker 1: the remaining members of Fleetwood Mac as well as several
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: It just just disastrous.
Speaker 6: So far, attempts to resurrect Joe's drama have failed, but
Speaker 6: we have spent million.
Speaker 1: We we only use the clip with our friend the
Speaker 1: Narcissist Cookbook. But yeah, there there is a twenty six
Speaker 1: minute drum solo with the guy from Rush geedty Lee.
Speaker 1: He's still alive, right, was it, geedty Lee?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's still alive. The joke works. The joke works,
Speaker 1: not cheap, not cheap.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, it's much like the dire Wolf thing. We've
Speaker 6: put Joe's drama's DNA into another court. Yeah, man, and
Speaker 6: does he worried. We've released him into the wild and
Speaker 6: we're going to see how he developed.
Speaker 1: So far, he just has a lot of blood clots.
Speaker 4: But we have we're home fielder on the case though.
Speaker 4: He's training him up. Well, we'll get him. We'll get
Speaker 4: him on.
Speaker 1: Here, all right, Yeah, yeah, pariffs good bad?
Speaker 5: What do you think you.
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 4: So all right, let's let let's let's let's actually do
Speaker 4: this ship.
Speaker 3: So is it. One of the things that we've been
Speaker 3: talking about along on this show is the Deminimus exemption,
Speaker 3: which was this exemption that formerly allowed you was particularly
Speaker 3: used in trade with China where you could, like if
Speaker 3: you were setting a package that was under like seven
Speaker 3: hundred dollars, like it didn't have to like go through
Speaker 3: customs in a way that you would normally would have
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 4: That shit's gone. That ended on Friday of last week.
Speaker 3: This has already skyrocketed the cost of doing imports of
Speaker 3: shit from China because huge amounts of stuff being shipped
Speaker 3: from China was you know, like reliant on shipping it
Speaker 3: in packages that were exactly six hundred and ninety nine dollars,
Speaker 3: and you know, this has like like Temu's entire business
Speaker 3: model has changed basically every night, where like they're no
Speaker 3: longer shipping stuff in from China, they're only selling stuff
Speaker 3: from like American distributors. This is going to have catastrophic
Speaker 3: effects on so many supply chains you've never even thought
Speaker 3: of in the weeks to come, because again, there are
Speaker 3: so many different like tiny screws and shit, like just
Speaker 3: like really really small items that you used to be
Speaker 3: able to get from China for like fucking five dollars
Speaker 3: for like one hundred of them that now have unbelievable
Speaker 3: tariff rates on them and have to go through a
Speaker 3: really really confluted customs process. There have already been sort
Speaker 3: of massive supply Chaine disruptions in a large number of industries.
Speaker 3: It's going to continue to get worse. Sophie was talking
Speaker 3: about metal imports hitting the construction industry because there's you know,
Speaker 3: there's terraffs on a bunch of different kinds of metal,
Speaker 3: as we've covered on the show, aluminum.
Speaker 1: God knows what's gonna happen to diet coke.
Speaker 7: We'll put it in lads, like God intended maybe that'll
Speaker 7: finally change Trump's outlook. Is when his diet coat heap. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: Trump and Musk both become inoperable.
Speaker 1: You know, Garrison, we will know when that's hit when
Speaker 1: the missiles are in the air, like oh shitty ran out.
Speaker 2: Federal occupation of the Coca Cola headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, and this is also like this,
Speaker 3: this is going to have a profound impact on Chinese economy. Again,
Speaker 3: we're still in sort of the waiting room until sort
Speaker 3: of Midsummer when all of the rest of the tariffs
Speaker 3: that were supposed to go into effect go back into
Speaker 3: effect and literally everything collapses.
Speaker 1: You're probably three to five weeks out from really starting
Speaker 1: to see it hit hard in like the stuff you
Speaker 1: buy on a day to day basis, right, People who
Speaker 1: are doing stuff like remodeling houses or building houses are
Speaker 1: starting to notice now. I think people car prepare businesses
Speaker 1: and one of people have to order parts. That is
Speaker 1: starting to hit. But your grocery store that's really going
Speaker 1: to be most noticeable somewhere between three and five weeks
Speaker 1: from now, maybe sooner, probably not much longer.
Speaker 3: Well, and other things are about to get sniffy and
Speaker 3: the worse. So this has been talked about for a
Speaker 3: long time. The buzz right now is that they're happening soon.
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what that means, but there has
Speaker 3: been for a long long time. Trump has been talking
Speaker 3: about doing tariffs on pharma, So congratulations, get excited for
Speaker 3: all of your medication costing a lot more money. He
Speaker 3: also put into place a one hundred percent terrafund foreign movies.
Speaker 1: Well we'll see, yes, yeah, but then he walked that back.
Speaker 1: He had a conversation with John Voight and announced, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're getting to that hundred percent tariff on all movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No one knows what that means.
Speaker 4: How can you do that?
Speaker 1: Do a terrafun of movie? What are we talking about it?
Speaker 4: It's literally it's literally just like like he's doing terriffs
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 3: Way that like there's that, but the guy for the
Speaker 3: Wolf of Wall Street is like what guy walks out
Speaker 3: of the room and goes short. Everything's ever touched Like
Speaker 3: it's like that thing. Yeah, like he's gonna be terriffing
Speaker 3: like fucking ocean currents in two months.
Speaker 1: The responses to it have been have been so funny
Speaker 1: because Gavin Newsome, arch dipshit of the Democratic Party, was
Speaker 1: immediately like, we love the idea of working with our
Speaker 1: president to keep the film jobs in California.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Trump immediately was like, well, maybe we won't do that,
Speaker 1: I think because they're still at the very head of
Speaker 1: the studio system. Some scary old mob type dudes, right,
Speaker 1: and I think a few of them also.
Speaker 4: Tom Cruise is terrifying.
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise like, sat down, Donald. You know,
Speaker 1: no one's heard from David Mskovich's wife in a long
Speaker 1: ass time, and they don't have to hear from you either,
Speaker 1: Like you don't want to fuck with me?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Even Trump believes he actually is the mission impossible guy.
Speaker 4: And you could convince them, you could.
Speaker 6: Somebody convinced him, Yeah, something.
Speaker 1: Somebody convinced him to Nero's is like, didn't he reopen
Speaker 1: Alcatraz after the Alcatraz film?
Speaker 6: Ad on the lyric, Yes, but.
Speaker 1: It was the it was the Clint Eastwood one and
Speaker 1: not the much better Alcatraz film The Rock starring Sean
Speaker 1: Connery and Nicholas Cage a banger ages perfectly watch it,
Speaker 1: everyone watch it tonight reading any more news?
Speaker 3: Okay, there's more news though, unfortunately. Yeah, well okay, there
Speaker 3: there's one funny thing, and there's the like the actual
Speaker 3: news here is part of what's going on here is
Speaker 3: just everything is just chaos. And this is something that like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had this conversation with a bunch of
Speaker 3: people who work in shipping of the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Is that like it's just chaos, right, Like everything is
Speaker 3: changing all the time. And this means every time one
Speaker 3: of these things changes, a bunch of like the import
Speaker 3: coaches and like suff just changes on the level of
Speaker 3: like the customs people, and like just like like literally
Speaker 3: the process of importing this stuff changes, and it's just
Speaker 3: a complete fucking disaster. People are getting laid off constantly too,
Speaker 3: so like every single part of the goverment that's supposed
Speaker 3: to be doing this suddenly has less people. It's it's
Speaker 3: an absolute rolling catash and for you will continue to
Speaker 3: get worse. There's also good evidence that like they know
Speaker 3: that it's gonna get worse. I'm gonna read this quote
Speaker 3: from USA today, Well this is from Trump. I don't
Speaker 3: think a beautiful baby and that's eleven years old needs
Speaker 3: to have thirty dollars. Trump told Meet the Press House
Speaker 3: Kirsten Welker, I think they can have three or four
Speaker 3: dolls because what we're doing with China is just unbelievable.
Speaker 3: We have a trade deficit of hundreds of billions of
Speaker 3: dollars for China. I'm just saying, they don't need to
Speaker 3: have thirty dollars. They can have belief. They don't need
Speaker 3: to have one hundred and fifty pencils. They can have five,
Speaker 3: five pencils.
Speaker 2: Everyone, five pencils and three dollars this Christmas. Imagine if
Speaker 2: Joe Biden an now it's like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have to cut down on Christmas gifts this year.
Speaker 4: We can't do it. Uh, the Fox News would be
Speaker 4: like freaking the fuck out.
Speaker 2: We're like, Joe Biden's taking away your kid's Christmas and
Speaker 2: the pencils and yeah who cares.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean like like the.
Speaker 3: Actual SIS thing here is like yeah, no, like these
Speaker 3: people understand that you're going to suffer. They don't give
Speaker 3: a shit. We want you to suffer.
Speaker 4: Ye, the political project, Yeah, so you know, yeah, owning
Speaker 4: the Libs anyway? Is that all for tariff talkbia? Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's all we got on. That's how we got
Speaker 4: on the tariffs.
Speaker 2: I am excited for for Trump to meet Ethan Hunt
Speaker 2: on his last mission, So there's still hope.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: I have a few more updates before we close out here.
Speaker 2: One on the federal judge back and forth of last week.
Speaker 2: US District judge blocked the Trump Admin's efforts via executive
Speaker 2: order to require what they deem as proof of citizenship
Speaker 2: to register to vote. The judge stated that this case
Speaker 2: was about separation of powers and undue presidential interference in
Speaker 2: how states in Congress run and regulate elections, writing, quote,
Speaker 2: our Constitution in trusts Congress and the States, not the
Speaker 2: President with the authority to regulate federal elections. No statutory
Speaker 2: delgation of authority to the executive branch permits the President
Speaker 2: to short circuit Congress's deliberative process by executive order. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we'll see how that develops for now. I'll also
Speaker 2: be doing an update on the Save Act as it
Speaker 2: makes its way through Congress as well, for those interested,
Speaker 2: another kind of voting suppression bill that's getting a push
Speaker 2: through This Tuesday, the Supreme Court upheld the trans military ban,
Speaker 2: at least for now, it'll still process through appeals, but
Speaker 2: the Trump administration is now allowed to enforce the ban,
Speaker 2: which they previously couldn't because a lower court put the
Speaker 2: enforcement on hold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think the actual scariest part about that
Speaker 3: is if you read the if you read the language
Speaker 3: of what the court was talking about, they've been describing
Speaker 3: it as like someone who thinks that like they are
Speaker 3: a woman when they're actually a man, Like isn't someone
Speaker 3: who can perform at like the standards of like honor
Speaker 3: and whatever that like a soldier needs. And this is
Speaker 3: I think a ramp up to the really really dangerous
Speaker 3: thing that is coming, which is their attempt to just
Speaker 3: straight up brand being trans as fraud.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the this is the Trump Admin's argument, correct,
Speaker 4: this is what they were writing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, this is the statement I guess that the
Speaker 6: DoD is claiming that expressing a quote false gender identity
Speaker 6: divergent from an individual sex can't satisfy the rigorous standards
Speaker 6: necessarily for military service. And they specifically talk about a
Speaker 6: soldier's commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even
Speaker 6: in one's personal life, And they then go ahead to
Speaker 6: claim that being trans inherently contradicts that.
Speaker 2: That's the Trump Admin's argument, which is going to be
Speaker 2: like used to undermine transmitter rights in the future, possibly
Speaker 2: threatening Title nine.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very concerning.
Speaker 2: So the fact that they were able to like at
Speaker 2: least at this point when this case in the Streame
Speaker 2: court extremely worrying.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I will just say that if this impacts you someone
Speaker 6: you care about, so when you know, you can reach
Speaker 6: out to us. Obviously that's the third little we can
Speaker 6: do about it. But we are here to listen to
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Speaker 6: Zone tips at proton dot me. It's only an encrypted
Speaker 6: email and to end, if it comes from an encrypted
Speaker 6: email address to our encrypted email address.
Speaker 4: We are reading all of those.
Speaker 2: We may not respond to all of them, but we
Speaker 2: are taking note of them and we'll report on stuff
Speaker 2: in the future. The last thing I do want to
Speaker 2: add is like a raid that happened last week in California.
Speaker 2: Homeland Security Investigations ICE and Secret Service right at the
Speaker 2: house in southern California looking for a man who months
Speaker 2: ago posted flyers around Los Angeles last January warning about
Speaker 2: ICE agents in the area with names, photos, and phone
Speaker 2: numbers reading in Spanish. Quote careful with these faces.
Speaker 4: Quote. The Feds served a.
Speaker 2: Criminal search warrant on the home of this guy's parents,
Speaker 2: even though he moved to New York last March. At
Speaker 2: least fifty teen armored vehicles pulled up to this upscale
Speaker 2: neighborhood with full militarized federal swat. They seized routers and
Speaker 2: hard drives.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's no great acting.
Speaker 2: As Director Todd Luins was on the scene for this operation.
Speaker 2: He told Fox News that he took it personally that
Speaker 2: someone would put a target on his agents in an
Speaker 2: effort to interfere with them and put them at risk,
Speaker 2: saying the person will be held accountable. What they're using
Speaker 2: here is probably likely US Code one nineteen Protection of
Speaker 2: Individuals performing certain duties. Whoever knowingly makes restricted personal information
Speaker 2: about a covered person or a member of the immediate
Speaker 2: family of that covered person publicly available with the intent
Speaker 2: to threaten, intimidate, or incite the commission of a crime
Speaker 2: of violence against that covered person or a member of
Speaker 2: the immediate family. So this is likely what they're using.
Speaker 2: Arguing that posting a photo on a flyer with the
Speaker 2: person's name and phone number is enough to threaten, intimidate,
Speaker 2: or facilitate the commission.
Speaker 4: Of a crime.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what comes hut covered persons as it is. That's
Speaker 6: a good question, James. Uh, that's a screenshot, right, so
Speaker 6: you can't click that.
Speaker 2: That is a screenshot and probably a question for a lawyer.
Speaker 2: But they are they are arguing that that the ICE
Speaker 2: agents like fall under this purview.
Speaker 6: Yes, the term covered person means a an individual designated
Speaker 6: to Session one fourteen B, a grand dura, petty jura
Speaker 6: witness or rather officer of the court, an informal witness
Speaker 6: in a federal criminal investigation or prosecution, state or local
Speaker 6: officer or employee whose restricted personal information is made publicly
Speaker 6: available because of the participation in or assistant provided to
Speaker 6: a federal criminal investigation. So it's part C.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's what they're going to argue. The
Speaker 2: people's addresses weren't posted here. It was just their names
Speaker 2: and photos. But ICE and HSI are being very protective
Speaker 2: of the faces of the agents doing immigration raids and
Speaker 2: student crackdowns right now. They're they're really nervous about about
Speaker 2: agents possibly being targeted. So any attempt to identify these
Speaker 2: as being treated as like a threat. A Homeland Security
Speaker 2: spokesperson told Fox News quote, these pathetic activists are putting
Speaker 2: targets on the backs of our law enforcement as they
Speaker 2: shield Ms thirteen, Trendilagua and other vicious gangs at traffic,
Speaker 2: women and children kidnapped for ransom, and poison Americans with
Speaker 2: lethal drugs. These individuals will be held accountable for obstructing
Speaker 2: the law and justice.
Speaker 4: This shouldn't be controversial.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So five people died after a panga carrying migrants capsized
Speaker 6: off Del Mar, which is in North County, San Diego.
Speaker 6: The search is on going. I believe another five are
Speaker 6: still missing. One of those is a ten year old
Speaker 6: girl from India, and Christie Nohan has said she wants
Speaker 6: the DOJ to pursue death penalty charges against the smugglers
Speaker 6: who brought these people over. These boats have been a
Speaker 6: thing for a while, but this is not the first
Speaker 6: of these tragedies. And it's obviously like we shouldn't lose
Speaker 6: focus of the fact that someone's little child died, which
Speaker 6: is horrific.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, tough news week as usual. I guess tough
Speaker 4: news week.
Speaker 3: The only way to feel better is by fighting.
Speaker 4: But we did report the news we did, we reported
Speaker 4: the news.
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