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Speaker 1: Cool Media.

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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today,

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Speaker 2: joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Robert Evans. This episode,

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Speaker 2: we're covering the week of April thirtieth to May seventh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, when you think of ed, you think about rigid

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Speaker 1: cylindrical things now flying at high speed towards miss That's

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Speaker 1: a bad way to introduce the facts. There's now a

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Speaker 1: war going on between India and Pakistan. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what else are we supposed to do? How are we

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Speaker 1: supposed to go into this? Pakistan and India are are shooting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah's okay, okay, I'm going to attempt to do a

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Speaker 3: very very very very brief Please God like do not

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Speaker 3: let this be the extent of your knowledge about this conflict.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, here is one paragraph about this. So

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Speaker 3: when India gains and Pakistan eventually gained independence from the

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Speaker 3: UK and the British Empire, there was the partition. This

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Speaker 3: is a process in which millions died and India and

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Speaker 3: Pakistan were split into two states.

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Speaker 1: Millions die as a result of the disruption to infrastructure

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Speaker 1: and as a result of mascular.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again people fleeing, like back and forth between

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Speaker 3: the two places. There's been a studio territory for fucking ever.

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Speaker 3: One of the most contentious parts of this has always

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Speaker 3: been Kashmir mahrg walk. There's a whole complicated thing here,

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Speaker 3: but so Kashmir was sort of split in two. There's

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Speaker 3: an almost entirely Muslim like territory that ends up under

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Speaker 3: the control of India, and India has waged a brutal

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Speaker 3: military occupation of Kashmir since they got it. Basically, it

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Speaker 3: ramps up and down in terms of like how bad

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Speaker 3: it is, but it's never good. Yeah, in this this

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Speaker 3: has been a constant source of attension between India and Pakistan,

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Speaker 3: where you know, Pakistan has played its card of like

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Speaker 3: we are like the defenders of Muslims in India. And

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Speaker 3: there's been a series of wars also, but this this

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Speaker 3: is one of the few times you can say there

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Speaker 3: are jedicides on both sides. And it's true because like

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Speaker 3: one of the wars that they fought was because of

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Speaker 3: the jedicide that Pakistan did in what became Bangladesh. So like,

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Speaker 3: there are no heroes in this story, there is only

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, like you know, there are people

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Speaker 3: resisting repression from both states.

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Speaker 1: They are good people, but neither of the states have

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Speaker 1: clean ams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the states sucks shit, right, Like you know,

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Speaker 3: Let let's be clear about that. Kashmir is one of

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Speaker 3: the most militarized places in the world. It got much

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Speaker 3: much worse after twenty nineteen when India withdrew the autonomous

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Speaker 3: status that Kashmiir had had. This sparked a bunch of protests.

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Speaker 3: They're horribly repressed. There's been staggering numbers of people have

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Speaker 3: died over the past like thirty years. There look a

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Speaker 3: lot of like Hesbra's acxis, the outside world has been

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Speaker 3: And obviously, you know, the thing about occupations is that

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Speaker 3: there's been a very very long running series of sort

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Speaker 3: of insurgencies and militant groups in Kashmir of various kinds.

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Speaker 3: Pakistan has funded some of these groups as a way

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, twenty twenty six, I think yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think it's the final number, like Hindu tourists in Kashmir.

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Speaker 3: It's worth noting that there's no actual evidence that Pakistan

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Speaker 3: that's India's claim. And this is causings to get really

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Speaker 3: gone into this, I mean, like, you know, it's it's Modi, right.

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Speaker 3: Modi is running probably the world's most effective fascist government

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Speaker 3: and his thing is always like a huge part of

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and it's important to know that during this

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Speaker 1: that is that is going to be relevant for the

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Speaker 1: do some thing, in part because India said they were

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Speaker 4: JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance, the Peacemaker, as we call him, I don't believe

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Speaker 1: anyone else has ever been called that in the history

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Speaker 1: of government or popular media. So, yeah, that seems like

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Speaker 1: a good nickname for him. Went to India like a

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Speaker 1: day or two before this all happened to calm things down.

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Speaker 1: This is often making a visit to the pope or

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Speaker 1: to tell Mody do whatever. Like, we don't know actually

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Speaker 1: what he said. Some people are like Vance must have

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Speaker 1: given him the go ahead. I think it's just as

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Speaker 1: likely Vance was like Hey, we don't really want a

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Speaker 1: war right now? Can he calm shit down? And Mody

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Speaker 1: didn't listen or that Vance just didn't even have anything

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Speaker 1: meaningful to say. We actually don't know at the moment.

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Speaker 1: But last night India started carrying out what they are

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Speaker 1: calling Operation Sindoor Si Indo r is how it is

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Speaker 1: generally anglicized. The name of the operation comes from. Again,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned a little earlier that during that terrorist attack

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Speaker 1: in Kashmir, Hindumen were killed in front of their wives.

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Speaker 1: Sindoor is a word that refers to this kind of

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Speaker 1: their hair. But it's a reference to something that is

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Speaker 1: in order to make it very clear. This is vengeance

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Speaker 1: for that attack, right, Like, that's why it was named

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Speaker 1: I've got here. Sindor is the Hindi word for vermilion,

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Speaker 1: which is the red pignant Hindu women apply to their forehead. Right,

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Speaker 1: So like that, and so it's it's a reference also

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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on there basically, Yeah, but that's

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Speaker 1: what's relevant. So when it comes to this what's happening,

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Speaker 1: first off, perfectly reasonable to call what's happening war. India

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Speaker 1: has launched cross border strikes. They appear to have launched

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Speaker 1: both cruise missiles and air strikes using modern jets.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: Pakistan has responded with modern military air defenses. What we

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Speaker 1: first full twenty first century here on peer military action.

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Speaker 1: And I know, as came up in the meeting, people

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Speaker 1: are going to say, well, Ukraine, not entirely Ukraine and Russia.

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Speaker 1: There is a degree to which that is true, because

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Speaker 1: Ukraine is armed by states that are peer or more

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Speaker 1: any way comparable to Russia's. They're not capable of manufacturing

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Speaker 1: the battlefield on their own. That's why international aid has

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Speaker 1: been so critical Pakistan and India are both effectively peers

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Speaker 1: in that they both do purchase weaponry a lot from

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Speaker 1: they have potent domestic militaries that are armed to a

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Speaker 1: I do not want to lose count of the fact

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Speaker 1: that people are dying. Obviously, civilians died in that attack

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Speaker 1: in Kashmir. At the moment, it looks like the death

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Speaker 1: Pakistan is claiming the vast majority of those are civilians.

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Speaker 1: India is claiming that they only hit infrastructure associated with

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Speaker 1: There is substantial evidence the majority of the dead are civilians.

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Speaker 1: People have claimed that large chunks of their families were

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Speaker 1: number of the dead, though, have also occurred as a

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Speaker 1: me if India and Pakistan have had a full on

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Speaker 1: artillery firing back in response to the air strikes, that

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Speaker 1: It's possible there is a cross border direct arm engagement.

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Speaker 1: It's possible no one died as a result of the

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Speaker 1: what's been confirmed right now. Now we have talked about

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Speaker 1: this means on a military level, because that is relevant

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Speaker 1: both how this conflict is going to proceed and how

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Speaker 1: future conflicts are going to proceed, because we have not

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Speaker 1: seen a peer on peer fight like this before in

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Speaker 1: this century, right, So one of the more important things

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Speaker 1: as to how this has preceded is that a number

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Speaker 1: what are called refalls our afal E. This is a

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Speaker 1: French fighter jet. It is broadly considered to be equivalent

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Speaker 1: to an F eighteen super Hornet. Now, I say that

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Speaker 1: There are major differences between the two airframes. One of

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Speaker 1: them is that the Refall is a larger plane, which

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Speaker 1: means it's theoretically capable. Not theoretically, it is capable of

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Speaker 1: you can fit more of them on a carrier. They

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Speaker 1: but it has to have a different load out right.

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Speaker 1: The other issue, a super Hornet can stay supersonic with

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Speaker 1: its full payload for longer periods of time. That means

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Speaker 1: that it can be breaking the sound barrier consistently, not

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Speaker 1: just using its after burner for like a quick burst

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Speaker 1: harder you are.

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Speaker 4: To shoot down.

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Speaker 1: The primary erit ground package it has is what's called

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Speaker 1: The concern is not they start, so everyone else does,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty bad.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk now about some other horrifying geopolitical news. Hey,

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Speaker 2: The past two months, Israel has forcibly cut off all food, water, machines, supplies,

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Speaker 1: Yep, I mean it looks like a starvation genocide. I

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Speaker 2: reoccupy and hold the Gaza Strip if a new Seaspire

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Speaker 2: deal isn't reached by May fifteenth, while Yahoo and Israeli

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Speaker 2: officials continue to undermine negotiations for a permanent ceasefire. This

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Speaker 2: plan is called Gideon's Chariots.

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Speaker 1: Jesus fucking Christ.

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Speaker 2: The plan is for the IDF to invade with four

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Speaker 2: to five armored infantry divisions, mobilizing uproots of seventy thousand reservists,

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Speaker 2: which would gradually occupy and secure basically the entire Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 2: According to Israel's Finance Minister, this IDF occupation would be permanent,

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Speaker 2: not even pulling back with the release of any remaining hostages,

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Speaker 2: though other Israeli officials disagree on this and say this

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Speaker 2: would be a temporary occupation. Pretty hard to take their

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Speaker 2: word on that all remaining buildings would be destroyed, flattening

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Speaker 2: the entirety of the strip, just like Rafa and the

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Speaker 2: northern side. Amir Aviv, the founder of the Israel Defense

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Speaker 2: and Security Forum think tank and a former deputy commander

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Speaker 2: of the Israeli forces, say, quote, this is the only

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Speaker 2: way to eradicate Hamas militarily and governmentally is to take

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Speaker 2: over Gaza and to conquer the area and destroy them unquote.

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Speaker 2: There's some added complications with like legally like occupying Gaza

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Speaker 2: under the Geneva Convention, a formal occupation would require Israel

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Speaker 2: to have the capacity to operate as an official government

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Speaker 2: authority in this region. Now, there's no indication that Israel

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Speaker 2: will like follow the Geneva Convention, as they haven't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Israel.

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Speaker 6: They never have given a shit, Yeah don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't see why we'd expect that.

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Speaker 2: But if they do occupy, they they would be more

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Speaker 2: like liable for the well being of the Palestinians that

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Speaker 2: would be inside the territory and the IDEF doesn't have

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Speaker 2: a plan for this. They are planning to forcedly relocate

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Speaker 2: around two million Palestinians to a single quote unquote humanitarian

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Speaker 2: area which is positioned in the rubble of Ratha, where

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Speaker 2: secure quote unquote compounds are being constructed to distribute food

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Speaker 2: and supplies to Palestinians who are screened and approved as

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Speaker 2: not being members of Hamas. This area will be managed

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Speaker 2: by private US companies and a quote unquote new international foundation,

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Speaker 2: which works with Israel and the United States established aid

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Speaker 2: organizations in the un announced that they would not be

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Speaker 2: participating in running these quote unquote compounds, calling this a

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Speaker 2: tactic to give the Israeli military even more power over

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Speaker 2: how aid is distributed, saying in a statement quote it

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Speaker 2: contravenes fundamental humanitarian principles and appears designed to reinforce control

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Speaker 2: over life sustaining items as a pressure tactic as part

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Speaker 2: of a military strategy. It is dangerous driving civilians into

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Speaker 2: militarized zones to collect rations, threatening lives, including those of

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Speaker 2: humanitarian workers, while further entrenching forced DISPLACEMENTEEAH an Israeli official

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Speaker 2: said the only alternative to being moved to this quote

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Speaker 2: unquote humanitarian area would be to leave Gaza quote unquote

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Speaker 2: voluntarily to other countries, citing Trump's plan to resettle displaced Powerians.

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Speaker 4: Robert James Miya, do you want to comment on this?

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Speaker 6: It's not much to say, so, like it's they're just

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Speaker 6: saying the thing that they've been going for for a

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Speaker 6: while now, which is the removal of all panasty to

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Speaker 6: get people from the Goddess trip, either in body bags

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Speaker 6: or to live somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's just straight up a genocide.

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Speaker 4: Like they're describing a genocide.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubting it. Like I don't even know,

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Speaker 1: Like what is it? What is there to say? Right?

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Speaker 1: Like at this point, I almost think other than obviously

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Speaker 1: documenting what's happening is important, the only important thing to

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Speaker 1: try to talk about it is like how can this

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Speaker 1: be stopped? And or how can a degree of like

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Speaker 1: what does justice look like at some point down the line?

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Speaker 1: What should be done?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: Like these are questions to ask, but like to just

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Speaker 1: like I don't know what to keep saying other than like, yep,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to wipe out Gaza like.

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Speaker 2: Well, and specifically the use of these like quote unquote compounds,

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Speaker 2: You're like rounding up and keeping people inside one secure.

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Speaker 6: Area, concentrating the main camps.

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Speaker 2: Like come on, guys, you're just setting up camps for

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Speaker 2: Palestinians on the south side of the strip and like

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Speaker 2: that's all that this is as they reoccupy and hold

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Speaker 2: the entirety to quote unquote eliminate Hamas. So this Monday,

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Speaker 2: Trump's going to start a three day visit to Saudi

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Speaker 2: Arabia Cutter and the United Arab Emirates. This is while

515
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Speaker 2: the US government has taken a backfoot on Gaza negotiations

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Speaker 2: while still backing up net Yahoo and any actions taken

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Speaker 2: by the Israeli military. Yeah, so we will know more

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Speaker 2: about what Israel is actually going to do immediately in

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Speaker 2: the region in like a week's time. Though it looks

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Speaker 2: like they are going to be going forward with this

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Speaker 2: May fifteenth reoccupation plan.

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Speaker 5: Cool.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, so more good news from me. Immigration update.

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Speaker 6: The New York Times today on the this is Wednesday

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Speaker 6: the seventh is reporting that the Trump administration is as

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Speaker 6: soon as today. I checked this before recording. The plane

527
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Speaker 6: haven't taken off planning to ship people to migrants to Libya.

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Speaker 6: The nationalities of people being renditioned there are not clear,

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Speaker 6: but my guess would be that these are third party

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Speaker 6: nationals that the US can't deport to their home countries

531
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Speaker 6: like they previously deported these people to Panama and to Elsabadov.

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Speaker 6: If you're not familiar with migrant detention in Libya, conditions

533
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Speaker 6: are horrific, like among the worst things that can happen

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Speaker 6: to people. The situation in Libya is currently the country

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Speaker 6: is divided between the Tripoli government, which is recognized by

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Speaker 6: the UN and which the US has formal government government

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Speaker 6: relationships with, and Hafta's government based in Benghazi, which the

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Speaker 6: Trump regime has associated with. Before. We have covered conditions

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Speaker 6: in Libyan migrant detention camps before, which i'll chack in

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Speaker 6: the show notes. And we also talked about the dangers

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Speaker 6: faced by people leaving Libya towards the EU in a

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Speaker 6: different episode, which I also list. But to recap, reports

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Speaker 6: document starvation, rape, murder, slavery, and organ harvesting occurring in Libya.

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Speaker 6: Mass graves, including one last year that was found with

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Speaker 6: sixty five bodies in it, are not uncommon to quote

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Speaker 6: from David Yambio. David Yambio is someone who was He

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Speaker 6: was sold and then forced to fight in a militia

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Speaker 6: in Libya, and I think, I believe he escaped and

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Speaker 6: he is now in I think he's in Italy, but

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Speaker 6: he's ready to be outspoken on this stuff. The slave

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Speaker 6: trade is alive and thriving in Libya. It thrives in

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Speaker 6: the silence of nations, in the shadows of complicit systems,

553
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Speaker 6: and then the unchecked racism that dehumanizes black lives in

554
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Speaker 6: other immigration US The government's attempt to delay Rumsa Oztek's

555
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Speaker 6: return to Vermont was rejected by the second Circuit, so

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Speaker 6: that means that she will have to be returned to

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Speaker 6: She was arrested in Massachusetts, if you remember, for writing

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Speaker 6: an op.

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Speaker 4: At Tufts University. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, moved across state borders to Vermont and from their

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Speaker 6: central Louisiana. So the habeas case was transferred to Vermont

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Speaker 6: and as a rule that the government cannot de laboring

563
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Speaker 6: her back there anymore. Another flight containing eighty one migrants

564
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Speaker 6: left Panama yesterday at the United States expense. This is

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Speaker 6: the continuation of a plan that the Biaen administration installed

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Speaker 6: in summer last year, and the Trump administration has continued

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Speaker 6: whereby the US funds deportations from Panama. Meanwhile, Tokyo Weekender

568
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Speaker 6: in Japan is reporting that the United States is asking

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Speaker 6: people to show five years of social media history in

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Speaker 6: order to obtain a student visa, just to put that

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Speaker 6: in perspective for people. So you have to either those

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Speaker 6: accounts are deleted or no longer used, you have to

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Speaker 6: declare them all on your form. If you're applying for

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Speaker 6: student visa and you're at the younger end of a

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Speaker 6: traditional aged undergraduate, you could have to list every social

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Speaker 6: mediacount you've had since you were twelve on this form.

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Speaker 6: And the US has required disclosure for a while, but

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Speaker 6: like it hasn't been a practical thing. I haven't really

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Speaker 6: ever heard from any one of anybody's visa being denied

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Speaker 6: or asylum being denied based on social media posting. But

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Speaker 6: this is now something that that they are asking people

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Speaker 6: to disclose.

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Speaker 2: Well and requiring, not like requiring it, not asking it

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Speaker 2: is it is. It is going to be like an

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Speaker 2: enforced requirement in a way that before it really hasn't been.

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Speaker 2: It's the term that the law firm used in this

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Speaker 2: piece is like in the past, this has been mostly

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Speaker 2: quote unquote negligible. Yeah, and now this is something that

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Speaker 2: the Department of State is really being adamant about.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, which will massively delay the time to process visa

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Speaker 6: applications on top of everything else.

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Speaker 2: People in Japan have compared this to two policies similar

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Speaker 2: to that of China's Cultural Revolution.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean I've been to other countries to be clear,

596
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Speaker 6: where they open up your social media and look at

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Speaker 6: it when you're entering. But this is not a thing

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Speaker 6: that anyone has ever associated with the United States. Finally,

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Speaker 6: I guess the Freedom of the Press Foundation got some

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Speaker 6: documentary release under a federal Freedom of Information Act. The

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Speaker 6: outline that the intelligence community did not believe that the

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Speaker 6: Maduro regime was controlling tender Agua, which was one of

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Speaker 6: the claims that Trump administration has made in its invocation

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Speaker 6: of the Alien Enemies Act. Right, So it's just kind

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Speaker 6: of I think most people who pay any attention to

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Speaker 6: the situation weren't really buying that, but but it's showing

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Speaker 6: that this was documented by the US intelligence community as well.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, any anything to add that the Libya stuff

609
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Speaker 6: is bleak like it hasn't got much coverage in the US.

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Speaker 6: We have covered it before, but the European Union is

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Speaker 6: already complicit in the terrible treatment of migrants in Libya.

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Speaker 6: And oh yeah, and for ages it has happened for

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Speaker 6: ages like the so called Libyan Coast Guard of bringing

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Speaker 6: people back to Libya and like literally set them from

615
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Speaker 6: shelters to human traffickers. I mean, we've more or less

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Speaker 6: kind of lined up behind some of the worst places

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Speaker 6: on earth, like in terms of migrant detention, right with

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Speaker 6: SECOT and this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, more and more families are figuring out that like

620
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Speaker 2: their family members have been sent to SCOT, like people

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Speaker 2: who have not been named an official documentation. They've been

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Speaker 2: able to search through these propaganda videos and identify more people,

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Speaker 2: so they're launching court cases to have them returned, people

624
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Speaker 2: who very clearly have had no gang affiliation. Not that

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Speaker 2: that should even matter when you're sending people to the

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Speaker 2: forever prison.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I saw one guy we've had a Donald Duck tattoo,

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Speaker 6: and that was I guess the decisive claim there. Right,

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Speaker 6: there's a form that ICE agents fill out, and there's

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Speaker 6: a number of points they have to a mass I

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Speaker 6: believe it's three points and one of the things that

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Speaker 6: can allow you to a mass three points. It's like,

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Speaker 6: I think two points come from a tattoo, which which

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Speaker 6: they decide to be gang affiliated and.

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Speaker 1: No, and again like they seem to just be saying

636
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Speaker 1: tattoos period, right, Like anything is trindagua, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, people who have like soccer tattoos, people who

638
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Speaker 2: have I love my mom and dad tattoos, It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: There's an autism awareness tattoos.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, some guy had an autism awareness Yeah. That one

641
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Speaker 6: like haunts me because I have met young neurodivergent people

642
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Speaker 6: and their families who are bringing them to the US

643
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Speaker 6: to get what they thought was a better standard of care,

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Speaker 6: right to allow their children to progress and have a

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Speaker 6: beautiful life. Yeah, man, that one like, like, I honestly

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Speaker 6: really struggle with that. I have spent lots and lots

647
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Speaker 6: and lots of time with Venezuelan migrants and like they're

648
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Speaker 6: my friends. And that particular one, like people whose children

649
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Speaker 6: have any need for medical care right are overrepresented the

650
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Speaker 6: migrant population because they just can't access it there, and

651
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Speaker 6: so they upend their whole lives and carry their children

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Speaker 6: across the continent to give them a chance at a

653
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Speaker 6: better life life and like that one is particularly hard

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Speaker 6: for me to win US. I did just want to

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Speaker 6: mention on the topic of asylum. I have heard from

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Speaker 6: so many migrants stuck in Mexico who are having a

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Speaker 6: god awful time to include you know, robbery, kidnapping, sexual violence,

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Speaker 6: of all of the things that we know can happen

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Speaker 6: to migrants on the migrant trail. Because they have no

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Speaker 6: pathway to get to the US, they're now just stuck there. Right.

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Speaker 6: Mexico continues to take migrants and move them back south

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Speaker 6: if it catches them near the United States border, even

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Speaker 6: if some of them move up as far as Mexico City,

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Speaker 6: right because they have access to services there, and then

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Speaker 6: again sent back south to places where migrants have routinely

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Speaker 6: been murdered. So I know, we're focusing a lot on

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Speaker 6: migrants being kicked out of the US deported, renditioned. Conditions

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Speaker 6: for migrants who aspired to come to the United States

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Speaker 6: who took great risks to be Americans and are stuck

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Speaker 6: in Mexico are also dire.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's go and break and then come back

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Speaker 2: for a few more updates before we close out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back. And wait a second, is that is

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Speaker 1: that the tariff.

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Speaker 3: Song Locky z b Jazz.

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Speaker 6: Lock Locky Jazz by jazz Bob.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, I actually don't know. Do we have

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Speaker 1: anything to say about tariffs this week?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we actually actually do us on Turff so good.

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Speaker 1: I'm just we gotta get all of our use out

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Speaker 1: of that song because again, we really do. We really

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Speaker 1: had to suspend the whole team's healthcare to pay for it.

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Speaker 1: It was monstrously expensive. The full cut of that song

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Speaker 1: is seventeen and a half hours. We actually brought in

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Speaker 1: the remaining members of Fleetwood Mac as well as several

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Speaker 1: Rolling Stones.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 1: It just just disastrous.

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Speaker 6: So far, attempts to resurrect Joe's drama have failed, but

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Speaker 6: we have spent million.

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Speaker 1: We we only use the clip with our friend the

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Speaker 1: Narcissist Cookbook. But yeah, there there is a twenty six

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Speaker 1: minute drum solo with the guy from Rush geedty Lee.

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Speaker 1: He's still alive, right, was it, geedty Lee?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's still alive. The joke works. The joke works,

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Speaker 1: not cheap, not cheap.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, it's much like the dire Wolf thing. We've

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Speaker 6: put Joe's drama's DNA into another court. Yeah, man, and

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Speaker 6: does he worried. We've released him into the wild and

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Speaker 6: we're going to see how he developed.

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Speaker 1: So far, he just has a lot of blood clots.

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Speaker 4: But we have we're home fielder on the case though.

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Speaker 4: He's training him up. Well, we'll get him. We'll get

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Speaker 4: him on.

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Speaker 1: Here, all right, Yeah, yeah, pariffs good bad?

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Speaker 5: What do you think you.

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So all right, let's let let's let's let's actually do

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Speaker 4: this ship.

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Speaker 3: So is it. One of the things that we've been

712
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Speaker 3: talking about along on this show is the Deminimus exemption,

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Speaker 3: which was this exemption that formerly allowed you was particularly

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Speaker 3: used in trade with China where you could, like if

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Speaker 3: you were setting a package that was under like seven

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars, like it didn't have to like go through

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Speaker 3: customs in a way that you would normally would have

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Speaker 3: to do it.

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Speaker 4: That shit's gone. That ended on Friday of last week.

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Speaker 3: This has already skyrocketed the cost of doing imports of

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Speaker 3: shit from China because huge amounts of stuff being shipped

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Speaker 3: from China was you know, like reliant on shipping it

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Speaker 3: in packages that were exactly six hundred and ninety nine dollars,

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Speaker 3: and you know, this has like like Temu's entire business

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Speaker 3: model has changed basically every night, where like they're no

726
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Speaker 3: longer shipping stuff in from China, they're only selling stuff

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Speaker 3: from like American distributors. This is going to have catastrophic

728
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Speaker 3: effects on so many supply chains you've never even thought

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Speaker 3: of in the weeks to come, because again, there are

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Speaker 3: so many different like tiny screws and shit, like just

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Speaker 3: like really really small items that you used to be

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Speaker 3: able to get from China for like fucking five dollars

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Speaker 3: for like one hundred of them that now have unbelievable

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Speaker 3: tariff rates on them and have to go through a

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Speaker 3: really really confluted customs process. There have already been sort

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Speaker 3: of massive supply Chaine disruptions in a large number of industries.

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Speaker 3: It's going to continue to get worse. Sophie was talking

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Speaker 3: about metal imports hitting the construction industry because there's you know,

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Speaker 3: there's terraffs on a bunch of different kinds of metal,

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Speaker 3: as we've covered on the show, aluminum.

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Speaker 1: God knows what's gonna happen to diet coke.

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Speaker 7: We'll put it in lads, like God intended maybe that'll

743
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Speaker 7: finally change Trump's outlook. Is when his diet coat heap. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: Trump and Musk both become inoperable.

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Speaker 1: You know, Garrison, we will know when that's hit when

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Speaker 1: the missiles are in the air, like oh shitty ran out.

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Speaker 2: Federal occupation of the Coca Cola headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, and this is also like this,

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Speaker 3: this is going to have a profound impact on Chinese economy. Again,

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Speaker 3: we're still in sort of the waiting room until sort

751
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Speaker 3: of Midsummer when all of the rest of the tariffs

752
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Speaker 3: that were supposed to go into effect go back into

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Speaker 3: effect and literally everything collapses.

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Speaker 1: You're probably three to five weeks out from really starting

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Speaker 1: to see it hit hard in like the stuff you

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Speaker 1: buy on a day to day basis, right, People who

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Speaker 1: are doing stuff like remodeling houses or building houses are

758
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Speaker 1: starting to notice now. I think people car prepare businesses

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Speaker 1: and one of people have to order parts. That is

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Speaker 1: starting to hit. But your grocery store that's really going

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Speaker 1: to be most noticeable somewhere between three and five weeks

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Speaker 1: from now, maybe sooner, probably not much longer.

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Speaker 3: Well, and other things are about to get sniffy and

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Speaker 3: the worse. So this has been talked about for a

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Speaker 3: long time. The buzz right now is that they're happening soon.

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what that means, but there has

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Speaker 3: been for a long long time. Trump has been talking

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Speaker 3: about doing tariffs on pharma, So congratulations, get excited for

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Speaker 3: all of your medication costing a lot more money. He

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Speaker 3: also put into place a one hundred percent terrafund foreign movies.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll see, yes, yeah, but then he walked that back.

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Speaker 1: He had a conversation with John Voight and announced, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're getting to that hundred percent tariff on all movies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: No one knows what that means.

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Speaker 4: How can you do that?

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Speaker 1: Do a terrafun of movie? What are we talking about it?

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Speaker 4: It's literally it's literally just like like he's doing terriffs

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Speaker 4: in the.

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Speaker 3: Way that like there's that, but the guy for the

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Speaker 3: Wolf of Wall Street is like what guy walks out

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Speaker 3: of the room and goes short. Everything's ever touched Like

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Speaker 3: it's like that thing. Yeah, like he's gonna be terriffing

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Speaker 3: like fucking ocean currents in two months.

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Speaker 1: The responses to it have been have been so funny

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Speaker 1: because Gavin Newsome, arch dipshit of the Democratic Party, was

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Speaker 1: immediately like, we love the idea of working with our

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Speaker 1: president to keep the film jobs in California.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Trump immediately was like, well, maybe we won't do that,

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Speaker 1: I think because they're still at the very head of

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Speaker 1: the studio system. Some scary old mob type dudes, right,

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Speaker 1: and I think a few of them also.

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Speaker 4: Tom Cruise is terrifying.

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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise like, sat down, Donald. You know,

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Speaker 1: no one's heard from David Mskovich's wife in a long

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Speaker 1: ass time, and they don't have to hear from you either,

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Speaker 1: Like you don't want to fuck with me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Even Trump believes he actually is the mission impossible guy.

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Speaker 4: And you could convince them, you could.

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Speaker 6: Somebody convinced him, Yeah, something.

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Speaker 1: Somebody convinced him to Nero's is like, didn't he reopen

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Speaker 1: Alcatraz after the Alcatraz film?

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Speaker 6: Ad on the lyric, Yes, but.

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Speaker 1: It was the it was the Clint Eastwood one and

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Speaker 1: not the much better Alcatraz film The Rock starring Sean

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Speaker 1: Connery and Nicholas Cage a banger ages perfectly watch it,

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Speaker 1: everyone watch it tonight reading any more news?

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Speaker 3: Okay, there's more news though, unfortunately. Yeah, well okay, there

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Speaker 3: there's one funny thing, and there's the like the actual

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Speaker 3: news here is part of what's going on here is

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Speaker 3: just everything is just chaos. And this is something that like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've had this conversation with a bunch of

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Speaker 3: people who work in shipping of the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Is that like it's just chaos, right, Like everything is

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Speaker 3: changing all the time. And this means every time one

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Speaker 3: of these things changes, a bunch of like the import

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Speaker 3: coaches and like suff just changes on the level of

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Speaker 3: like the customs people, and like just like like literally

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Speaker 3: the process of importing this stuff changes, and it's just

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Speaker 3: a complete fucking disaster. People are getting laid off constantly too,

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Speaker 3: so like every single part of the goverment that's supposed

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Speaker 3: to be doing this suddenly has less people. It's it's

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Speaker 3: an absolute rolling catash and for you will continue to

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Speaker 3: get worse. There's also good evidence that like they know

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Speaker 3: that it's gonna get worse. I'm gonna read this quote

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Speaker 3: from USA today, Well this is from Trump. I don't

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Speaker 3: think a beautiful baby and that's eleven years old needs

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Speaker 3: to have thirty dollars. Trump told Meet the Press House

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Speaker 3: Kirsten Welker, I think they can have three or four

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Speaker 3: dolls because what we're doing with China is just unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: We have a trade deficit of hundreds of billions of

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Speaker 3: dollars for China. I'm just saying, they don't need to

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Speaker 3: have thirty dollars. They can have belief. They don't need

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Speaker 3: to have one hundred and fifty pencils. They can have five,

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Speaker 3: five pencils.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, five pencils and three dollars this Christmas. Imagine if

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden an now it's like, all right, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to cut down on Christmas gifts this year.

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Speaker 4: We can't do it. Uh, the Fox News would be

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Speaker 4: like freaking the fuck out.

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Speaker 2: We're like, Joe Biden's taking away your kid's Christmas and

844
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Speaker 2: the pencils and yeah who cares.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean like like the.

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Speaker 3: Actual SIS thing here is like yeah, no, like these

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Speaker 3: people understand that you're going to suffer. They don't give

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Speaker 3: a shit. We want you to suffer.

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Speaker 4: Ye, the political project, Yeah, so you know, yeah, owning

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Speaker 4: the Libs anyway? Is that all for tariff talkbia? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's that's all we got on. That's how we got

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Speaker 4: on the tariffs.

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Speaker 2: I am excited for for Trump to meet Ethan Hunt

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Speaker 2: on his last mission, So there's still hope.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: I have a few more updates before we close out here.

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Speaker 2: One on the federal judge back and forth of last week.

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Speaker 2: US District judge blocked the Trump Admin's efforts via executive

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Speaker 2: order to require what they deem as proof of citizenship

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Speaker 2: to register to vote. The judge stated that this case

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Speaker 2: was about separation of powers and undue presidential interference in

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Speaker 2: how states in Congress run and regulate elections, writing, quote,

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Speaker 2: our Constitution in trusts Congress and the States, not the

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Speaker 2: President with the authority to regulate federal elections. No statutory

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Speaker 2: delgation of authority to the executive branch permits the President

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Speaker 2: to short circuit Congress's deliberative process by executive order. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see how that develops for now. I'll also

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Speaker 2: be doing an update on the Save Act as it

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Speaker 2: makes its way through Congress as well, for those interested,

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Speaker 2: another kind of voting suppression bill that's getting a push

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Speaker 2: through This Tuesday, the Supreme Court upheld the trans military ban,

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Speaker 2: at least for now, it'll still process through appeals, but

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration is now allowed to enforce the ban,

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Speaker 2: which they previously couldn't because a lower court put the

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Speaker 2: enforcement on hold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think the actual scariest part about that

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Speaker 3: is if you read the if you read the language

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Speaker 3: of what the court was talking about, they've been describing

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Speaker 3: it as like someone who thinks that like they are

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Speaker 3: a woman when they're actually a man, Like isn't someone

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Speaker 3: who can perform at like the standards of like honor

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Speaker 3: and whatever that like a soldier needs. And this is

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Speaker 3: I think a ramp up to the really really dangerous

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Speaker 3: thing that is coming, which is their attempt to just

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Speaker 3: straight up brand being trans as fraud.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is the this is the Trump Admin's argument, correct,

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Speaker 4: this is what they were writing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, this is the statement I guess that the

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Speaker 6: DoD is claiming that expressing a quote false gender identity

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Speaker 6: divergent from an individual sex can't satisfy the rigorous standards

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Speaker 6: necessarily for military service. And they specifically talk about a

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Speaker 6: soldier's commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even

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Speaker 6: in one's personal life, And they then go ahead to

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Speaker 6: claim that being trans inherently contradicts that.

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Speaker 2: That's the Trump Admin's argument, which is going to be

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Speaker 2: like used to undermine transmitter rights in the future, possibly

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Speaker 2: threatening Title nine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very concerning.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that they were able to like at

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Speaker 2: least at this point when this case in the Streame

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Speaker 2: court extremely worrying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I will just say that if this impacts you someone

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Speaker 6: you care about, so when you know, you can reach

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Speaker 6: out to us. Obviously that's the third little we can

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Speaker 6: do about it. But we are here to listen to

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Speaker 6: report the news, and you can do that at cool

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Speaker 6: Zone tips at proton dot me. It's only an encrypted

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Speaker 6: email and to end, if it comes from an encrypted

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Speaker 6: email address to our encrypted email address.

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Speaker 4: We are reading all of those.

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Speaker 2: We may not respond to all of them, but we

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Speaker 2: are taking note of them and we'll report on stuff

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Speaker 2: in the future. The last thing I do want to

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Speaker 2: add is like a raid that happened last week in California.

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Speaker 2: Homeland Security Investigations ICE and Secret Service right at the

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Speaker 2: house in southern California looking for a man who months

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Speaker 2: ago posted flyers around Los Angeles last January warning about

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Speaker 2: ICE agents in the area with names, photos, and phone

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Speaker 2: numbers reading in Spanish. Quote careful with these faces.

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Speaker 4: Quote. The Feds served a.

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Speaker 2: Criminal search warrant on the home of this guy's parents,

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Speaker 2: even though he moved to New York last March. At

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Speaker 2: least fifty teen armored vehicles pulled up to this upscale

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Speaker 2: neighborhood with full militarized federal swat. They seized routers and

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Speaker 2: hard drives.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's no great acting.

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Speaker 2: As Director Todd Luins was on the scene for this operation.

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Speaker 2: He told Fox News that he took it personally that

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Speaker 2: someone would put a target on his agents in an

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Speaker 2: effort to interfere with them and put them at risk,

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Speaker 2: saying the person will be held accountable. What they're using

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Speaker 2: here is probably likely US Code one nineteen Protection of

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Speaker 2: Individuals performing certain duties. Whoever knowingly makes restricted personal information

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Speaker 2: about a covered person or a member of the immediate

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Speaker 2: family of that covered person publicly available with the intent

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Speaker 2: to threaten, intimidate, or incite the commission of a crime

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Speaker 2: of violence against that covered person or a member of

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Speaker 2: the immediate family. So this is likely what they're using.

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Speaker 2: Arguing that posting a photo on a flyer with the

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Speaker 2: person's name and phone number is enough to threaten, intimidate,

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Speaker 2: or facilitate the commission.

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Speaker 4: Of a crime.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, what comes hut covered persons as it is. That's

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Speaker 6: a good question, James. Uh, that's a screenshot, right, so

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Speaker 6: you can't click that.

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Speaker 2: That is a screenshot and probably a question for a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: But they are they are arguing that that the ICE

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Speaker 2: agents like fall under this purview.

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Speaker 6: Yes, the term covered person means a an individual designated

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Speaker 6: to Session one fourteen B, a grand dura, petty jura

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Speaker 6: witness or rather officer of the court, an informal witness

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Speaker 6: in a federal criminal investigation or prosecution, state or local

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Speaker 6: officer or employee whose restricted personal information is made publicly

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Speaker 6: available because of the participation in or assistant provided to

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Speaker 6: a federal criminal investigation. So it's part C.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's what they're going to argue. The

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Speaker 2: people's addresses weren't posted here. It was just their names

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Speaker 2: and photos. But ICE and HSI are being very protective

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Speaker 2: of the faces of the agents doing immigration raids and

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Speaker 2: student crackdowns right now. They're they're really nervous about about

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Speaker 2: agents possibly being targeted. So any attempt to identify these

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Speaker 2: as being treated as like a threat. A Homeland Security

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Speaker 2: spokesperson told Fox News quote, these pathetic activists are putting

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Speaker 2: targets on the backs of our law enforcement as they

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Speaker 2: shield Ms thirteen, Trendilagua and other vicious gangs at traffic,

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Speaker 2: women and children kidnapped for ransom, and poison Americans with

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Speaker 2: lethal drugs. These individuals will be held accountable for obstructing

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Speaker 2: the law and justice.

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Speaker 4: This shouldn't be controversial.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So five people died after a panga carrying migrants capsized

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Speaker 6: off Del Mar, which is in North County, San Diego.

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Speaker 6: The search is on going. I believe another five are

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Speaker 6: still missing. One of those is a ten year old

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Speaker 6: girl from India, and Christie Nohan has said she wants

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Speaker 6: the DOJ to pursue death penalty charges against the smugglers

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Speaker 6: who brought these people over. These boats have been a

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Speaker 6: thing for a while, but this is not the first

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Speaker 6: of these tragedies. And it's obviously like we shouldn't lose

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Speaker 6: focus of the fact that someone's little child died, which

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Speaker 6: is horrific.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, tough news week as usual. I guess tough

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Speaker 4: news week.

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Speaker 3: The only way to feel better is by fighting.

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Speaker 4: But we did report the news we did, we reported

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Speaker 4: the news.

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