Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant's talents on the court were obvious and unmatched,
Speaker 1: But what about his work off the court. He's talked
Speaker 1: about the need to combat violence in the community. He
Speaker 1: also talked about police abuse and police misconduct, so he
Speaker 1: was talking about violence across the board. That to me
Speaker 1: indicated someone that had a social consciousness, of social awareness.
Speaker 1: I'm Steve Gregory and this is the death and life
Speaker 1: of Kobe Bryant. Well known writer and civil rights leader
Speaker 1: Earl o'fari Hutchinson lives in Los Angeles and says he's
Speaker 1: not much of a basketball fan, but he is a
Speaker 1: fan of Iyant, mostly for what Briant wasn't known for
Speaker 1: would intrigue me was oftentimes was miss with individuals like
Speaker 1: a Kobe Bryant, namely what do they do off the court?
Speaker 1: One thing that struck me and and reading some of
Speaker 1: the common charities and some of the articles in pieces
Speaker 1: after Kobe, you know, after the tragedy, he made a
Speaker 1: statement and this is what really caught my eye, and
Speaker 1: ear he said, life is more I'm paraphrasing, life is
Speaker 1: more than just putting the ball in a hoop. Now
Speaker 1: I reflected on that and I said wait a minute,
Speaker 1: there's some depth here, there's some consciousness here, there's some understanding. Look,
Speaker 1: I gotta have a life, and there's a world outside
Speaker 1: the sports arena, the basketball court, the superstar celebrity thing
Speaker 1: that you know, most people relate to him as namely,
Speaker 1: I have to deal with people or I want to
Speaker 1: deal with people namely, and many people have problems and
Speaker 1: we long checklist of things from you know, I mean housing,
Speaker 1: the eats, food, um, poverty, all the things that you
Speaker 1: know confront many, many people. So it seemed to me
Speaker 1: that Kobe Bryant was getting something about I want to help.
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of that. I want
Speaker 1: to use my fame, in my celebrity hood, I want
Speaker 1: to use that for good, um, to help humanity. That's
Speaker 1: what intrigued me about him, and that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to write about. So I began looking at things and
Speaker 1: I remember from a personal experience, UM Nipsey Hustle. Kobe
Speaker 1: Nipsey was doing things, well, a number of things in
Speaker 1: the community, but one thing he was really trying to
Speaker 1: deal with the whole issue of violence in the community.
Speaker 1: So they had a series of forums that Nipsey Hustle
Speaker 1: put on. Kobe became to that and he talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, the need to combat violence in the community,
Speaker 1: and he also went a little bit further. He also
Speaker 1: talked about police abuse and police misconduct and police find
Speaker 1: So he was talking about violence across the board. And
Speaker 1: so that to me indicated someone that had a social consciousness,
Speaker 1: a social awareness. I felt that that is the thing
Speaker 1: that needed to be spotlighted. I felt I did not
Speaker 1: want to see that get lost in the adulation and
Speaker 1: the recriminations, uh, and the tears and the sadness and
Speaker 1: the tragedy, which I mean is legitimate, But I thought
Speaker 1: there was more than Kobe Bryant, and quite frankly still
Speaker 1: do okayr L Los Angeles is ONOD syndicated radio personality.
Speaker 1: Kurt Alexander, otherwise known as Big Boy, was a close
Speaker 1: friend of Bryan Bryant was a frequent guest on Alexander's
Speaker 1: morning show, Big Boy's Neighborhood here in Los Angeles. Alexander
Speaker 1: says Bryant was more to l A than just basketball.
Speaker 1: You know what, man, It gave it gave people something
Speaker 1: to believe in. And not only was there something shiny
Speaker 1: like Kobe always said you know, hard work. You know,
Speaker 1: we rooted for him, and so many people love Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 1: But it's different when it's your own too, and and
Speaker 1: it's an example being shown to the world, and it's
Speaker 1: a positive example. It's a person that works hard. So
Speaker 1: we would see those kind of things that I've done
Speaker 1: a lot of things with Kobe that was you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't about radio. It was about feeding the community,
Speaker 1: you know, taking care of the home. It's like Kobe
Speaker 1: was very big on that. I was taken her back
Speaker 1: by really how authentic his interest and commitment to and
Speaker 1: the homelessness was. Another Carmichael is the executive director of
Speaker 1: My Friend's Place in Hollywood, a nonprofit dedicated to helping
Speaker 1: young people who were dealing with homelessness. Carmichael remembers how
Speaker 1: Brian became interested in her organization so many years ago.
Speaker 1: Um I think when he and Vanessa were leaving the
Speaker 1: Staples Center and really starting to see homelessness right outside
Speaker 1: in the Staples Center. Like right, I can only imagine
Speaker 1: what it was like to win a game, being that
Speaker 1: state of euphoria, being a champion for Los Angeles, a
Speaker 1: revered person, and then to pull out and see people
Speaker 1: sleeping on the sidewalk. I can like, I think that
Speaker 1: contrast really caught his attention. Um and as he went on,
Speaker 1: I think what was a learning journey about what the
Speaker 1: issue was and looking for organizations that were effective and
Speaker 1: having impact in their exploration of the youth population. I
Speaker 1: was told that all heads nodded towards my friends place.
Speaker 1: I feel incredibly like honored and grateful that the community
Speaker 1: pointed Kobe and Vanessa our direction because their impact here
Speaker 1: uh continues to this day. I knew that he understood
Speaker 1: those young people, and I could see his sense of
Speaker 1: responsibility of not using them for that moment. And then
Speaker 1: he came back, and then he brought his community in
Speaker 1: like right as it wasn't only about he and Vanessa
Speaker 1: in that moment and having a stage to talk about
Speaker 1: their interests in philanthropy and their launch of their family foundation,
Speaker 1: which was beautiful unto itself. But then he invited his
Speaker 1: friends and associates that our leaders in Los Angeles that
Speaker 1: had the resources is to be able to invest in
Speaker 1: organizations to be a part of the game changing of it.
Speaker 1: So yes, he off the walk and he invited people
Speaker 1: to step up alongside of him coming up a look
Speaker 1: at how Bryant's darkest days were a wake up called
Speaker 1: to young black men everywhere as the death and life
Speaker 1: of Kobe Bryant continued. Earl Lafari Hutchinson is a well
Speaker 1: known author, commentator, and civil rights leader in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Hutchinson says he's not much of a fan of basketball,
Speaker 1: but considers Bryant a role model, especially for young African
Speaker 1: American men. He points out that Brian's sexual assault case
Speaker 1: in Colorado became a pivotal moment for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: It was a blessing and the curse. The curse was
Speaker 1: if you're talking about the accusation of rape in the
Speaker 1: trial in Colorado, that was a curas that had happened.
Speaker 1: The blessing it is that had happened. Now it sounds
Speaker 1: like what are you saying. I'm saying exactly that it
Speaker 1: happened at the time. So basically you're talking about a
Speaker 1: young guy who faced the situation that was essentially it
Speaker 1: could have been career threatening. Um certainly it was not
Speaker 1: life affirming, but it was threatening and it was a
Speaker 1: wake up call for him. And I know we all
Speaker 1: noticed after that decades after that. Uh, Kobe was an
Speaker 1: examply individual. I mean it really was a thing to
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this happened early. It caught him when
Speaker 1: it was early. It was a shock. It was a
Speaker 1: wake up call. And I think that did was it
Speaker 1: alerted him. Look, I am a role model. Millions of
Speaker 1: people watch me, millions of people judge me, and more importantly,
Speaker 1: millions of people look up to me. So I've got
Speaker 1: to start acting responsibly. I've got to start acting responsibly
Speaker 1: first and foremost in the home, my wife, my family.
Speaker 1: And then also too, I have I have an obligation
Speaker 1: to the fans. You know, the fans. Um even though
Speaker 1: they over inflate. I feel athletes and their importance grossly
Speaker 1: over inflate them. But it is what it is. So
Speaker 1: the fact is they are idolatrized, these superstar athletes. People
Speaker 1: do look up to them, and especially I think Kobe
Speaker 1: was aware that so many young African American males were
Speaker 1: looking to him because the identification with basketball, sports and
Speaker 1: so forth. So I think all of that came together
Speaker 1: in kind of a perfect storm. Um, I have to
Speaker 1: be a good role model. Um. I learned a lesson,
Speaker 1: and he asked he did learn from that, Because you know,
Speaker 1: we have seen a number of celebrities and a number
Speaker 1: of athletes that continue to do things, continue to shoot
Speaker 1: themselves in the foot, continue to be their own worst enemies.
Speaker 1: They haven't learned a damn thing. But he was different.
Speaker 1: He did learn from that, and the proof of that
Speaker 1: is it never happened again. I don't remember anything after
Speaker 1: that of anything that we could call scandal, personal, involving morals, uh,
Speaker 1: involving political, involving social, any kind of scandal. I don't
Speaker 1: recall any of that. So Kobe had almost a two
Speaker 1: decade run after that of basically exemplary behavior. But I
Speaker 1: think the more important thing is he made up his mind.
Speaker 1: I have to learn from this going forward. I still
Speaker 1: got a lot of years left with my basketball career,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be looked up to in the
Speaker 1: role model. I have to live up to that responsibility.
Speaker 1: In many communities, especially the African American communities, because he
Speaker 1: was looked up to, they loved this man, They really
Speaker 1: respected him. Um, they really identified with him. When I
Speaker 1: say they, I mean a lot of young African American males,
Speaker 1: I mean they saw him as as emblematic of a
Speaker 1: good role model and also a giant sports figure, somebody
Speaker 1: that we definitely want to emulate. So I think that
Speaker 1: is a void right there. Um, Individuals like a Kobe
Speaker 1: Bryant in many ways are very unique and they're almost
Speaker 1: I know it's a cliche to say this, but there
Speaker 1: are almost irreplaceable in the sense of who can really
Speaker 1: step in where they were. Now. That's not to say
Speaker 1: that others aren't coming along, but if we've noticed one
Speaker 1: thing I haven't seen since the debt were even during
Speaker 1: the life of Kobe and of course the death of
Speaker 1: Kobe um the kind of agulation that a sports figure
Speaker 1: slash community figure. And that's what I put behind Kobe
Speaker 1: Bryant had. That's why you saw this great outpouring, uh
Speaker 1: of I mean sense of loss. And so I think
Speaker 1: over time that loss is going to continue to resonate
Speaker 1: because he is irreplaceable. Hutchinson wrote about Bryant's life being
Speaker 1: more than basketball and that's how he wants to remember him.
Speaker 1: He also says Bryant was a unique role model. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about African American young males visa v basketball
Speaker 1: players in the basketball and corps only because you know,
Speaker 1: the NBA is what s the players anyway, African American,
Speaker 1: so there's an identification there. But Kobe touched the nerve.
Speaker 1: He was not only in this country. He was global.
Speaker 1: He had an impact beyond the borders of the United States.
Speaker 1: So that that means, and that tells me one thing.
Speaker 1: If you're a youth in Yugoslavia, Macedonia, Serbia, uh Germany, Nigeria, Taiwan, Brazil,
Speaker 1: you know about the Kobe, you can identify with the
Speaker 1: Kobe um and I think that's why there was so
Speaker 1: much drama and sadness, you know, after the tragity that
Speaker 1: took his LFE, because that identification was global with him.
Speaker 1: When you really think about it, how many sports figures
Speaker 1: have that global identification. I mean you can really could
Speaker 1: him on one hand and still maybe have two or
Speaker 1: three fingers left over. But Kobe was one of them.
Speaker 1: He was unique in that sense. So, yes, he did
Speaker 1: touch a nerve across a lot of strata, and not
Speaker 1: just among young people, you know, everybody. I mean, the course,
Speaker 1: the arenas aren't filled by you know, nineteen and eighteen
Speaker 1: and seventeen and sixteen year old A lot of mature
Speaker 1: quote unquote mature adults so let's say older adults, they
Speaker 1: identified with the Kobe too, so men and women. So
Speaker 1: I think that, Um, I think that again is a
Speaker 1: tribute to not only his legacy, but the impact that
Speaker 1: he had. I don't think one of the things. I
Speaker 1: don't think that Kobe would have continued to have that
Speaker 1: land seen impact and that and that great residence across
Speaker 1: a lot of lines, especially among women, if there wasn't
Speaker 1: a sense that Kobe had done as Maya Colpa, I
Speaker 1: made a mistake, a bad mistake, but in this case,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to redeem myself by being the best
Speaker 1: person I can be. And I think because of that,
Speaker 1: if you notice a lot of women were not hard
Speaker 1: on Kobe at the end. Um. Yeah, it was brought
Speaker 1: up about what happened in Colorado, the rape accusation and
Speaker 1: the trial, but you know that passed. Most of the
Speaker 1: focus I saw on Kobe was really two things. One Um,
Speaker 1: of course, basketball on the court, I mean that dominated,
Speaker 1: But also thought there was a subtext to that. Individuals
Speaker 1: like I brought up namely coldly the humanitarian coobly Kobe
Speaker 1: the role model for actually doing good and giving back
Speaker 1: to the community. I thought that was there too, and
Speaker 1: I thought that was emphasized, maybe not as much as
Speaker 1: basketball in sports, but nonetheless it was still in the mix.
Speaker 1: Heather Carmichael's the executive director of My Friend's Place, a
Speaker 1: nonprofit shelter for young homeless people. She says Briant's impact
Speaker 1: on the organization will be felt for years. I think
Speaker 1: they're Los Angeles will forever feel his absence. But his
Speaker 1: action I think created momentum and built bridges in ways
Speaker 1: that I can't really speak to it as a void
Speaker 1: um for my Friends Place, because he opened eyes, he
Speaker 1: opened doors, he opened people's hearts in ways that I
Speaker 1: don't think can be shut again. I guess like on
Speaker 1: an individual level, some people might have turned away, but
Speaker 1: it was a game changer for or a champion to say,
Speaker 1: look at this issue, we cannot tolerate Los Angeles to
Speaker 1: not pull this into greater focus and greater action. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't sense the void there. And he was one
Speaker 1: of the early kind of champions to like associate his name,
Speaker 1: And you know, I think folks that have stages have
Speaker 1: contemplated how to associate their names with different causes, and
Speaker 1: I just feel like maybe there risk cause analysis hadn't
Speaker 1: afforded people to like really think about the brilliance of
Speaker 1: associating themselves with such a humanitarian issue in our own backyard.
Speaker 1: And I never saw his hesitation to do that right,
Speaker 1: And maybe there was a lot of contemplation that came
Speaker 1: before um I got to meet him and his team
Speaker 1: and Vanessa. But the moment he stepped into my Friend's place,
Speaker 1: I got to see that fire in his eye and
Speaker 1: the the willingness, and it just like everything made sense,
Speaker 1: Like there's this extraordinary moment of like I was hesitant,
Speaker 1: Like right, I didn't know Kobe. And my role in
Speaker 1: my responsibility uh here at my friends place is to
Speaker 1: ensure that we offer the young people the greatest amount
Speaker 1: of protection that we can as it comes to our
Speaker 1: community association shion with both the community and young people.
Speaker 1: So I, I admittedly was a little bit suspect, But again,
Speaker 1: the moment they walked in the door, I saw his
Speaker 1: genuine interest in being a champion for ending homelessness. And
Speaker 1: then he sat at this table with these young people
Speaker 1: that saw him as hero. He could have maintained that
Speaker 1: edge with them, but he sat at that table as
Speaker 1: someone that was genuinely like taking these young people in
Speaker 1: one their admiration for him, But he didn't stop there.
Speaker 1: He listened to who they were, what their dreams were,
Speaker 1: and what the consequences of their circumstances of being homeless,
Speaker 1: and he synthesized the that those experiences and then turned
Speaker 1: to the media that a way did him as he
Speaker 1: announced their family foundation, and he expressed what he heard
Speaker 1: from those young people in such real connected not artificial,
Speaker 1: not like objectifying. He understood what homelessness meant to those
Speaker 1: young people, but also didn't diminish them to their circumstances.
Speaker 1: He saw them in very whole ways, just like I
Speaker 1: bet he did with every young person he mentored on
Speaker 1: a court. He won my heart in that moment coming up.
Speaker 1: Those who worked with him knew him and knew of him.
Speaker 1: Remember the day of the helicopter crash as the death
Speaker 1: in Life of Kobe Bryant continues, m Kurt Alexander, otherwise
Speaker 1: known as Big Boy. It was a close friend of Bryant's.
Speaker 1: We heard earlier about the friendship the two shared, but
Speaker 1: he also remembers the morning of the crash. You know
Speaker 1: it was. It was a Sunday, and Kanye West does
Speaker 1: the thing called uh uh Sunday What what? What is it?
Speaker 1: It's uh Sunday Sunday Service. Sun cleverly hited there in
Speaker 1: the Sunday service. So I was at Sunday Service with
Speaker 1: you know, with my family and Kanye and everybody, and
Speaker 1: we were just happy to be driving home. And I
Speaker 1: was driving. My wife was sitting next to me, and
Speaker 1: she said she got a phone call and I heard
Speaker 1: her say Kobe died. And instantly I'm like looking at her,
Speaker 1: like Kobe die and this she was like, what happened?
Speaker 1: In my head? You know, your mind goes so fast.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking so many different scenarios and is this a
Speaker 1: real phone call? But it was my daughter calling from
Speaker 1: one car to the car that we were in, which
Speaker 1: was behind my daughter's car as far as you know,
Speaker 1: being with their friends. When I heard that, it just
Speaker 1: felt so surreal. It just felt unbelievable. Like from that
Speaker 1: point on, I don't even remember any of the words.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the traffic, I don't remember what was
Speaker 1: the next you know lane, you know the road that
Speaker 1: we were getting off of. Like everything became just just
Speaker 1: a blur. Because Kobe is one of those guys that
Speaker 1: you just felt like he was gonna live forever or
Speaker 1: you know, like it wasn't gonna be you know, an
Speaker 1: instant thing when you get a phone call while you're
Speaker 1: riding with your family. So that was on a Sunday.
Speaker 1: What was your show like on that Monday? Horrible? My
Speaker 1: show was horrible. It was because it was live, it
Speaker 1: was Los Angeles. It was putting people on that probably
Speaker 1: never thought they would be on the air before because
Speaker 1: they didn't thought they had didn't have a reason, and
Speaker 1: they never thought that they would be on the air
Speaker 1: talking about Kobe Bryant. We just opened up the phone
Speaker 1: lines and we let the people speak, and you heard,
Speaker 1: I mean not just from us, because we were in
Speaker 1: here bawling. We were crying. You heard it in every
Speaker 1: phone call. There was no phone tap that day. There
Speaker 1: was no funniness, there was you know, it was just
Speaker 1: it was we were all very emotional that day. And
Speaker 1: and and it's crazy because I have shows. This is
Speaker 1: my twenty seventh year of radio, and I have shows
Speaker 1: that I can remember, and that's called back to me
Speaker 1: all the time. The day my mom passed and I
Speaker 1: came on air to announce that my mother died, Tupac
Speaker 1: passing Nipsey, Hustle, passing Kobe Bryant passing out. Of all
Speaker 1: the shows that I've done, those are the shows that
Speaker 1: always come back, you know. And with pocket was I
Speaker 1: announced to Los Angeles. So people remember that, old man,
Speaker 1: when you announced when not eleven happened, we were live.
Speaker 1: We announced that people had some time with Nipsey, people
Speaker 1: have some time with Kobe. And no matter if it
Speaker 1: was you know, eighteen hours the next day or something
Speaker 1: like that, people were very emotional on air with us.
Speaker 1: We we didn't know how to we even now I
Speaker 1: can't digest it. So the next day we weren't ready,
Speaker 1: you know, but it was beautiful, not beautiful radio. It
Speaker 1: was a beautiful day to also celebrate. But the day
Speaker 1: that we just steve we came together. You could feel it.
Speaker 1: You could feel it. You I mean everyone in the room.
Speaker 1: Of course, this is you know, pre pandemic. So everyone
Speaker 1: in the room just red eyed. Everybody's crying, the callers
Speaker 1: like and just silence on, letting people take their time.
Speaker 1: You know. It was it was. It was a show
Speaker 1: that I would never forget. Their car Michael worked with
Speaker 1: Bryant and his wife Vanessa, my friend's Place, a shelter
Speaker 1: for young homeless people. She too remembers hearing about the accident.
Speaker 1: I was training my friends Place runs the l A
Speaker 1: Marathon as one of our fundraising and community building endeavors
Speaker 1: um I it was my first full marathon, and I
Speaker 1: was out training and my phone. I could feel the
Speaker 1: texts coming through, but you know, I'm listening to music.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, like go on a really long run,
Speaker 1: and finally I just stopped and took in those texts
Speaker 1: and standing in the middle of I don't even remember
Speaker 1: where I think I might have been in the still
Speaker 1: a and just being overwhelmed and so sad for Vanessa
Speaker 1: and her family, and just like feeling the collective loss
Speaker 1: for Los Angeles. I didn't know that I would be
Speaker 1: so impacted. Um, but really, you know, one being touched
Speaker 1: by his being nous and his generosity and the bigness
Speaker 1: of his presence and just the realness of his kindness
Speaker 1: and how that is as like it's a part of
Speaker 1: our social fabric. And I guess I felt that tear
Speaker 1: in that moment. Author and civil rights leader Earlfari Hutchinson
Speaker 1: says he was in his car inside his garage when
Speaker 1: he heard about the helicopter crash and he couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm, you know, doing a little surfing on
Speaker 1: my cell phone looking at some of the news. Now
Speaker 1: here's here's where it gets. Really I'm laughing. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm laughing almost because it's there's apothos here about this.
Speaker 1: So I catched his news item Sunday. This is Sunday.
Speaker 1: I catch his news item. Uh, Kobe Bryant killed in
Speaker 1: the crash. I laughed. I'll tell you why I laugh
Speaker 1: because you know, on the internet you get so much
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Celebrities dies, celebrities doing that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen so much of that. People are, you know,
Speaker 1: with their sardonic humor, they put all this crap up there.
Speaker 1: So I said it. So I laughed at it. I said,
Speaker 1: God but um, and I've kind of dismissed it. But
Speaker 1: about five or ten minutes later on online and of
Speaker 1: course the c ann headline, and then that was a shock.
Speaker 1: What I thought was a gag, a very poor chase gag,
Speaker 1: a very sard donni you know, pathological gag that somebody
Speaker 1: put it I thought put on the internet. Well it
Speaker 1: turned out to be the truth. It was a shock.
Speaker 1: I said, this cannot be. It cannot be for several reasons. One,
Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at Kobe, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not like he's you know, ninety years old, you know,
Speaker 1: in the walker and a wheel chair. When you look
Speaker 1: at him, you still thinking of me as a young
Speaker 1: guy on the work. I mean, that's the image of
Speaker 1: you have you have with with Kobe. That was the
Speaker 1: first thing that was the biggest part of the shot.
Speaker 1: He would be one of the last people on the
Speaker 1: planet I would think would go that way. The second
Speaker 1: thing is the way he died right in our own backyard,
Speaker 1: right here in l A County. So all of these
Speaker 1: things came together. I think that that really dramatized, at
Speaker 1: least in my mind, the shock aspect of it. And
Speaker 1: I have to confess, you know, I'm an NFL guy.
Speaker 1: Football is my thing, you know, not really basketball. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd pay some attention to it. But still
Speaker 1: it touched me from a human standpoint only because not
Speaker 1: the sports, not the sports, just the tragedy of a
Speaker 1: young man in the prime of life losing his life
Speaker 1: like that and doubling down his daughter and dub tripling
Speaker 1: down you. It wasn't just them. He had others involved
Speaker 1: too in the crash, so it was a loss of
Speaker 1: It was a tragedy all the way around and affected
Speaker 1: many families, Kobe Bryant and many of the other families
Speaker 1: that were in that helicopter with him, So um, that
Speaker 1: really magnified the tragedy. To me, coming up in episode eight,
Speaker 1: I think there's two legacies that Coby leaves behind. One
Speaker 1: is of grit, and then I think the second, though
Speaker 1: he didn't express it as such, was love. The legacy
Speaker 1: of a man, father, husband in basketball legend. The Death
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