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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, the fifty three man

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Speaker 1: roster is set for now anyway, we'll see if there

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Speaker 1: are any changes, But what do you think any concerns

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Speaker 1: are some concerns without players. We'll handle the many by

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Speaker 1: this week. We'll get into that topic first though. The

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Speaker 1: latest regarding Malcolm Butler. It's Cardinals Cover two episode poor

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Speaker 1: sixty and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: with Craig Grigolou and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is

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Speaker 1: Going for Hopkins one hand to catch in a touchdown

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. Here's Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki. It's amazing,

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Speaker 1: m how quickly things can change in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: You never quite anticipate a curveball. But maybe at this

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Speaker 1: stage during our careers here covering the Arizona Cardinals and

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Speaker 1: the NFL, that maybe we should expect something like this.

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Speaker 1: And this is the fact that at the moment Malcolm

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Speaker 1: Because our last show on Monday, this was not even news.

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Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden you go twenty four

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours later and he is not up parts

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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty one Arizona Cardinals. The thing is,

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Speaker 1: though you know, a lot of guys he's only played

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Speaker 1: seven years, you would think, you know, based on his

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Speaker 1: don't want to let the team down. But he went

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Speaker 1: all right, when the Cardinals signed Malcolm Butler, I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: they said you're going to be a starter. Now we

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Speaker 1: So it's just interesting the timing of it. And if

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to speculate. You just hope everything's well

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Speaker 1: with what's going on with him. But I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: again he's not a twelve to thirty thirteen year vet.

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Speaker 1: We had a guy in camp before the Cardinals did,

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Speaker 1: they have to give back, and you know, he bounced around,

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Speaker 1: just different when you go through the heart parts over. Yes,

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Speaker 1: But according to head coach Kingsbury, this has all transpired

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Speaker 1: the experience in that cornerback room. When Byron Murphy in

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Speaker 1: that to me is a concern. And now maybe they

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Speaker 1: know that the Cardinals, according to reports, were not awarded

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Speaker 1: we do see maybe a Jace Whittaker and others come

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Speaker 1: And whether they are better or not than a Marco

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Speaker 1: It's a great obsipation. You know, it would be different

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Speaker 1: just in case? Because you want to be prepared if

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Speaker 1: someone should get dinged or sideline for an extended period

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Speaker 1: of time, you want to be ready for that. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to have to react to it. You want

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Speaker 1: to be prepared for something like that. Yeah, and you

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Speaker 1: know Richard Sherman. I know he's He does the show

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Speaker 1: with Chris Collinsworth, so he may have a piece of

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Speaker 1: pro football folks. I watched him play last year and

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Speaker 1: his numbers look a lot different. I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: they're given favorite to him. He's up there in age.

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Speaker 1: I thought he's struggled. I don't know if he's I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he can play in Man the Man.

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Speaker 1: He's more of his own guy in Trufin guys play

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Speaker 1: fifteen games in the last two years. There's a reason

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Speaker 1: why these guys are available. No, that's right, because you

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Speaker 1: know they're they're looking for the right opportunity or they're

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Speaker 1: looking for too much money, or they just don't have

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Speaker 1: the skill set anymore that has shown up on films

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Speaker 1: across the NFL to where they are still available. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason good call on your part again here as

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Speaker 1: we discuss the Arizona Cardinals twenty twenty one the regular

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Speaker 1: season right around the corner, in case you missed any

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Speaker 1: training camp and the behind the scenes access that the

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Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning Cardinals Flight Plan gives you, fans, I

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Speaker 1: would invite you to go to the Cardinals official YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel and check out all five episodes that are uploaded

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Speaker 1: at the moment. The most recent episode Take the Lead

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Speaker 1: once again, that dropped August twenty six, and it does

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Speaker 1: give you a great look at what has happened during

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Speaker 1: training camp and then of course the entire offseason going

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Speaker 1: back to free agency and the draft, and hopefully we'll

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Speaker 1: get some more of that behind the scene access leading

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Speaker 1: into week one. All right, we talk about the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one Arizona Cardinals fifty three man roster. It is

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Speaker 1: technically fifty two players because that is where they stand

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Speaker 1: after all the moves that they've made. Justin Pugh Robert

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Speaker 1: Offer don't count when they return. If both come back

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Speaker 1: the same day, then you're gonna have to lose or

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Speaker 1: release one player. So as you look at this roster

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Speaker 1: right now, fifty three players with three quarterbacks, four running backs,

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Speaker 1: six wide receivers, three tight ends, eight offensive linemen on

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Speaker 1: the defensive side, seven defensive lineman, five outside linebackers, five

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Speaker 1: inside linebackers, four cornerbacks, four safeties, and three special teamers.

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Speaker 1: Talking about your kicker, punter, and long snapper, what stood

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Speaker 1: out to you questions concerns on where this roster stands

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Speaker 1: as we speak September first, knowing that things may or

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Speaker 1: may not change, but probably will Wesley. I, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know he had a good camp. I thought maybe

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Speaker 1: more of a practice squad guy. But you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: when you let go of Keyshawn Johnson, he has the

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Speaker 1: size we talk about. You know, they've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of slot receivers that are not even six feet tall.

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Speaker 1: So say, I'm surprised. I thought he is more of

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Speaker 1: a practice squad guy. And we'll see between now and Monday.

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Speaker 1: Keeping three quarterbacks on the roster, and you know you

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Speaker 1: did the research earlier so you can fill us and

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Speaker 1: how many teams are doing I think it's more prevalent.

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Speaker 1: But Chris Traveler's not just a quarterback. Can he be

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Speaker 1: a special teams player? And can you dress him just

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Speaker 1: for that? I don't want to see him on offense.

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Speaker 1: Nothing against that. Colt McCoy's the backup quarterback. But are

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Speaker 1: they going to go with three active quarterbacks on game day? Well,

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Speaker 1: here is what Kingsbury had to say with respects to

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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks on the roster, And it was a surprise

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Speaker 1: to me. I didn't anticis paid three quarterbacks just I think,

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Speaker 1: to me, that's a luxury. But Kingsbury did bring up

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Speaker 1: the idea that Straveler can do a lot of what

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray does. Should Murray have to be sideline, Colt

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Speaker 1: McCoy would be your backup. But then maybe you do

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Speaker 1: see what we saw this past weekend with San Francisco

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance. You're moving guys in and out,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that becomes a package that

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Speaker 1: this team could use for a week or two. He

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Speaker 1: did say, talking about Kingsbury, that he did not expect

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Speaker 1: all three quarterbacks to be active on game day, at

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Speaker 1: least early on in the season, so it might be

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Speaker 1: one of those protection plans, if you will, that you

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Speaker 1: sign up for when you get your high end electronic

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Speaker 1: where you sign for a year or two or five

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Speaker 1: year plan that Chris Straveler, is that protection plan for

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, Not for a Colton McCoy, but for a

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. That makes sense. And the fact is that

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Speaker 1: you know, talking about earlier in the season, because you

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Speaker 1: need numbers. If a guy's just going to play on

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Speaker 1: special teams, and that could be five to eight snaps,

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Speaker 1: you need a guy that's going to either play twenty

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Speaker 1: snaps on special teams. So I'm glad that he addressed

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Speaker 1: that because I have a hard time thinking that you're

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Speaker 1: go into a game with three quarterbacks. And I went

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Speaker 1: and looked at how many teams across the league are

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Speaker 1: keeping three quarterbacks on the roster. And this research is

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Speaker 1: according to the depth charts posted on Espend. So and

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Speaker 1: this was early Wednesday morning on September first, So maybe

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Speaker 1: things have changed, but I was surprised at the number

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Speaker 1: of teams that are keeping three quarterbacks. Three of the

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Speaker 1: four teams in the NFC West are keeping three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: The forty nine ers have just two. Ten of the

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Speaker 1: sixteen NFC teams are keeping three quarterbacks. So more than

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Speaker 1: half six of the sixteen AFC teams are keeping three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it is because of

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. If someone should test positive on a Saturday

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Speaker 1: or even on game day that morning, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: now you make your third quarterback active and he becomes

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Speaker 1: your backup. You do have the ability to change your

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Speaker 1: mind during the course of the season, and if there

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Speaker 1: was someone else that you really wanted to keep and

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Speaker 1: didn't want to expose the waiver wire. I think that's

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Speaker 1: where a lot of teams say, well, we don't need

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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks, you can just get away with two. So

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Speaker 1: it is something that every team looks at differently. I

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Speaker 1: would say, what you're looking you're talking about. Let's see

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Speaker 1: more than half, almost two thirds of the league is

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Speaker 1: keeping three quarterbacks. And it is something that it's each

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Speaker 1: individual team has to make that decision, and you're airing

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Speaker 1: on the side of caution with the most important position

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Speaker 1: on the football field. Yeah, I'd be curious in Week

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Speaker 1: one how many teams only dress two quarterbacks. I got

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Speaker 1: a thing I would think, everybody, thank you, Yes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know you have to get you get that ninety

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Speaker 1: day or ninety minutes where you have to release your inactors,

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Speaker 1: and if something should happen during pregame warmups, then maybe

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Speaker 1: you have a third quarterback for an emergency or an emergency.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't. I don't see the Cardinals, although

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Speaker 1: it would be interesting if you're talking in a week

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Speaker 1: five weeks six and all three quarterbacks are active, then

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Speaker 1: one that tells me two things. One, Chris Traveler has

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Speaker 1: become more proficient and doing more on special teams or

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Speaker 1: for that week's opponent, you have a package that you

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Speaker 1: want to eat. Ever have out there to show for

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Speaker 1: later in the season, or just to give the idea

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Speaker 1: out there that perhaps you might see Straveler on the

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Speaker 1: offensive side. Yeah, and I wish Straveler had a preseason

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Speaker 1: last year, just like a lot of other guys, including

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons and you know, some of the other draft class.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's shown improvement when it comes to

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Speaker 1: passing it. And again that wasn't a good look they

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Speaker 1: put he was in a bad spot. Unfortunately it didn't

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Speaker 1: work out. But I think he's improved and I like

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Speaker 1: the way he approaches the game. He works hard in practice,

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Speaker 1: so maybe down the road for a future. But I

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Speaker 1: agree with you if there is a package, no disrespect,

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Speaker 1: but let him take those hits instead of Kyler Murray. True,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna sneak its or have some more design runs,

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Speaker 1: especially up the middle, and if you missed a bird gang.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the week, Kingsbury did acknowledge that Chris Streveler

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Speaker 1: was going to start and play the entire game against

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Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints. Colt McCoy was going to address

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Speaker 1: and only participates in an emergency, but Chris Truller was

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Speaker 1: going to get four quarters of action and prepped that way.

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Speaker 1: Remember Week seventeen against the Rams, he was thrown into

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Speaker 1: the fire and was unsuccessful. It would have been nice

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Speaker 1: to see him goin know when he's the starter with

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Speaker 1: four quarters and then be able to show everything that

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Speaker 1: he has worked on, because I did think he stood

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Speaker 1: in the pocket a lot better, a lot longer in

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Speaker 1: the two preseason games that we saw him in action. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I definitely think he's improved. And you

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Speaker 1: know he's likely going to run the scout team and

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals are going to face some mobile quarterbacks this year,

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Speaker 1: so he'll definitely get the defense prepared for that. Again,

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Speaker 1: he's not just a quarterback. I think he's a football player.

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Speaker 1: Moving on to some of the other players specifically, and

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Speaker 1: the big question about offensively, how many wide receivers and

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Speaker 1: if it is six, Keyshawn Johnson gets released, and I

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Speaker 1: think that was a signal that Andy Isabella had made

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Speaker 1: the team. But in hearing from Isabella on Wednesday, didn't

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Speaker 1: sound like he was too worried, even when he was

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Speaker 1: sideline for COVID nineteen twice during training camp, that his

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Speaker 1: roster spot was ever in danger. And to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe he knows more, and obviously he does,

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Speaker 1: but I certainly would be worried as far as about

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Speaker 1: my position on a team if I'm missing that much time.

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Speaker 1: And he did acknowledge that he has work to do

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Speaker 1: to get his spot back within the depth chart in

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Speaker 1: that wide receiver's room, but he sounded very confident that

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Speaker 1: he was always going to be on the football team

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Speaker 1: this season. Yeah, if if the results were different in

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Speaker 1: training camp he was catching everything. Yeah, I mean, he

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Speaker 1: looks more comfortable and again he's got to prove it

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Speaker 1: on game day. You know we've talked about you know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's more comfortable and confident. I think what's helped

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Speaker 1: as a new wide receivers coach in Sean Jefferson. He

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Speaker 1: must he must believe in him. Otherwise, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you're going across the table and you know each position

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Speaker 1: coach gives an input. They must have felt that he's

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Speaker 1: got more upside as you pointed out, than Keyshawn Johnson

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Speaker 1: and Antoine Wesley. Right, So again, I don't I think

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Speaker 1: they're only going to address five on game day. And

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, who's a fourth and fifth?

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Speaker 1: I think it's either Christian Kirk, which you know only

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Speaker 1: he plays on teams and Andy Isabella. I mean, right now,

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Speaker 1: Rondel Moore is going to be your Putton kicker tuner.

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Speaker 1: So how is Isabella? Is he on any kind of

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Speaker 1: coverage teams where he can dress? But I think on paper,

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Speaker 1: right now, Andy Isabella is probably the fifth receiver, but

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Speaker 1: according to the Carlos, he maybe their sixth receiver. And

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Speaker 1: it just depends probably each and every week and how

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Speaker 1: you figure out you might be able to match up

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Speaker 1: against an opponent. Do you want the speed of an

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Speaker 1: Andy Isabella to compliment Rondel Moore, Are you're looking for

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Speaker 1: a little bit more heights with an antoine Wesley who's

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Speaker 1: six foot four and all of a sudden, maybe can

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Speaker 1: do a little bit more as far as winning those

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Speaker 1: one on one matchup, so those jump balls and out

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Speaker 1: jump a smaller cornerback. And then I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much Wesley plays on teams. And if Isabella is not

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Speaker 1: returning kicks, you know what area of the special team's

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Speaker 1: game is he a part of. Those are all questions

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Speaker 1: that Jeff Rogers can answer, and hopefully maybe we get

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Speaker 1: to hear from him at some point either before the

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Speaker 1: start of the regular season or during the regular season.

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Speaker 1: Well and again, Andy Isabella is a second round pick.

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Speaker 1: Good thing they took by r. Murphy with a thirty

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Speaker 1: third pick. You just can't teach a speed and when

642
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: you watch him practice, he can take the top off

643
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: the defense. So again, I know people are saying I

644
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: need to see it. I get it. I'm sure he

645
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: hears it. But they're not ready to give up on

646
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: Indy Isabella. Kingsbury did bring up the fact that both

647
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: of those players could be on the field at the

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Speaker 1: same time. If you can think DeAndre Hopkins on one side,

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00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: AJ Green on the other side, and then your two

650
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: slot guys are two players who can go what four

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00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: three four four with rondel Moore and Andy Isabella. You

652
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: know that's that would be an interesting package to see

653
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: in how it would work. Well, that tells me they're

654
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: trying to stretch the ball down the field because we

655
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: know that Ady Isabella has speed and we know that

656
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: rondel Moore has speed. So to me, that's where you Yeah,

657
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: you can dink and dunge, but now you've got options

658
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: and everyone's going to run a different route and somebody's

659
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna somebody will be open to where they have a

660
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: little bit of separation on the defensive backs. As Kingsbury said,

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00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: quote speed like that's is rare end quote talking about

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00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: both Isabella and Ronda. And that's the reason why Andy

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00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: Isabella is on this roster is because they see something,

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00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: but we need to see it on game day. Yeah,

665
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: and that's something that we haven't seen certainly a lot of,

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00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: especially late last season. Anything else. As far as when

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00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: you look at the different position rooms, I know, eight

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00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: offensive lineman sounds low. It is low. You'll get nine

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00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: when Justin Pugh returns. I do think nine might be

670
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: the magic number if you will as far as offensive lineman,

671
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: then you dress eight on game day. I really like

672
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: the top seven defensive lineman. I'm glad Michael Dogbe's in

673
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: that mix. We'll see if Fee is a guy that

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00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: you know is active on game day. Usually keep seven

675
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: going into the season. You rotate six on game day.

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00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: And I do anticipate the Cardinals will bring back some

677
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: the guys that cleared waivers that can create some depth

678
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. And there was a couple of

679
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: guys in camp and we'll just have to wait and

680
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: see when that list comes out. And congratulations to Eno

681
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: Benjamin as well. Both he and Jonathan Ward make the

682
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. They do keep four running backs. Yes,

683
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: Benjamin was active or on the roster all of last season,

684
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: but he was inactive on game day. Now we need

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00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: to see, you know, Benjamin be active on game day.

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00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Can he do enough in the special teams game? And

687
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: that might be a week to week thing depending on

688
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: whether you like Jonathan Ward during doing certain things or

689
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: you know Benjamin doing certain things. The thing is Eno

690
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: Benjamin has a different run skill set more like Chase seven.

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00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: So it depends. But Jonathan Ward plays on a lot

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00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: of teams, and the question becomes, you're gonna address five receivers,

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00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna address three tight ends. Can you afford address

694
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: four running backs or three? I would think three would

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00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: be the magic number and that four would be a

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00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: lot And I think if it's four, then there are

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00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: some other areas on special teams, some other position groups

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00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: that you know this player does X, Y and Z.

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00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: You know they're part of all four phases special teams.

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00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: We need a Jonathan Ward to be active. But we've

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00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: got this package for you know, Benjamin or we like

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00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: him in the kick return game. You know that's that

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00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see. Yeah, because according to Kingsbury

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00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: early in the season, as you pointed out, two quarterbacks,

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00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: so you're saving a spot there. If you go five

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00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: wide receivers, you're saving a spot there. And then if

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00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: you go three running bocks, you're saving a spot there.

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00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: And that can add another guy to the secondary or

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00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: the defense, where hey, we're going against a team that's

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00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: gonna have two tight ends and we're gonna bring some

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00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: other guys up. So I like that aspect of it

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00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: to where he can do different things and on that

713
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: defensive side. The interesting aspect of what happens with Dennis Gardeck.

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00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 1: He is on the fifty three man rosters, he ready

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00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: to play. Week one continues to look good. Team is

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00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: going to be cautious. Do you just go with four

717
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: outside linebackers unless guardek build his strength back up to

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00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: where he is not active on game day, or maybe

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00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: he is but he's just involved in special teams. I

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00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: go four and again, I think the Cardinals let us

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00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: everyone know that if he were to started this season,

722
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: which it wouldn't get over the last twenty four hours,

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00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: he would have had to miss the first six games,

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00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: come back in week seven. Here, I don't think he's

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00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna play. This is just me thinking out Louder connecting

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00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: to I don't think he's gonna play the first couple

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00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: of weeks, but we could see him in a week

728
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: three or four where if you put him on pup

729
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to turn to the week seven. So

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Speaker 1: I think there's a plan for him. I just don't

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00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: know if it's in the first couple of weeks. One

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Speaker 1: last topic to get in here on Cardinals Cover two

733
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: presented by Hunday, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. First

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00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: things first, though, need to remind you that Folk Tales

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00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: episode number one, Legendary Locker, debut September eighth on the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals official YouTube channel. We've been talking about this all offseason.

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00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: It's been a long offseason project where we kind of

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Speaker 1: go behind the scenes, if you will. The story behind

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00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: the story in episode one deals with Pat Tillman's locker

740
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: and what our executive producer, Jim Mhundro did, among others,

741
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: to make sure that that locker was preserved and put

742
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: fronts and center for everyone to see, especially those players

743
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: coming in to the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals training facility.

744
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: Remember JJ Watt when he was toured by owner Michael Bidwell,

745
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: one of the places that they stopped and JJ Watt

746
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: made sure to take a picture was the legendary locker

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00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: of Pat Tillman. So again, Folk Tales episode one debuts

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Speaker 1: September eighth. We kind of hinted at this, MJ, but

749
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: this is quote unquote the last day of the week.

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00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Coaches and players, well players specifically coaches. I think will

751
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: kind of have a mixture, kind of both have some

752
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: work and some days off, but the players are off

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00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: now until Labor Day, a bonus day, and then they'll

754
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: have their traditional Tuesday day off and then Wednesday game week.

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00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: But of many bye week ahead of the regular season,

756
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: every NFL team is dealing with these four days off

757
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: because without a fourth preseason game, you have this open

758
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: week if you will, And how do you handle this

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00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: if you're a player, because you're not going to be

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00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: in the facility, there are no responsibilities. You can show

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00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: up if you want. Richard Lawrence mentioned that he would

762
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: probably be here any way to work out and stay

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00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: in shape, but a lot of players will use this

764
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: time to rest recharge. What you don't want to see is,

765
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: in the words of former Cardinals head coach Bruce arians,

766
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: don't be the guy and two make sure you do

767
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: something during these four days because Monday is gonna come

768
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: and that's game week. Yeah. I don't want to tell

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00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, grown men and what they should do, but

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00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: I wouldn't travel. It's just too much out there. And

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00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, I know there's private flights. You know, rush

772
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: your body because you gotta go. Cardinal's bye weeks somewhere

773
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: in the middle. Correct it is. Now you've got me.

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00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: It's oh, it's Thanksgiving week. Thanks, Okay. So it's a

775
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: little bit later the season, so the grind's going to

776
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: be until you get to the next bye week. And

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00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: I'm glad the NFL and the NFLPA agreed to give

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00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: these guys off four days. But I'm not traveling. I'm

779
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: gonna take care of my body. And if you need

780
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: to come in here and get some treatment or you

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00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: want to lift some weights, that's what you do. Just

782
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: don't lay on the couch for four days and all

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00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden wake up on Monday and hit the

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00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: practice field. Yeah. This is time, as Christian Kirk said,

785
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: is to rest, recharge, and make sture you're still keeping

786
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: up with your conditioning. It was interesting here DJ Humphreys,

787
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: one of those veterans rest and recover quote. I don't

788
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: see myself taking this as a cabbo vacation, and I

789
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: hope that message is delivered to everyone in that locker room.

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00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: You've got enough vets in there, and you have enough

791
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: rookies to where those vets who understand what four days

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00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: off mean after training camp before the regular season, to

793
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: point out to these rookies you know, don't be off

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00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: celebrating or traveling to you what you say, you can

795
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: go home, visit some family or whatever, but make sure

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00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: you show up Monday ready to go. Yeah, and normally

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00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: during the season this is probably this is a pre

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00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: COVID because nobody can travel last year and nobody was

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00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: allowed to leave and they were testing every day, so

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00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: they really couldn't go anywhere. But there were times, you know,

801
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: when you have a bye week eight or nine, a

802
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: handful of guys will go to Cabo or Vegas or

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00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. But then they would be back just to

804
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, recharge your batteries and kind of

805
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 1: just step away from football. It's a grinds. It's more

806
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: mental than physical at times, depending on your position. So

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00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: I just got I know, you know they're going to

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00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: send the messages, be smart, but you have plenty of

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00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: time to go hang out with your friends and go

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00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: on vacation after the Super Bowl. Now you say all this,

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00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: and yet you know, a rumor is that you're off

812
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: on a major vacation during these four days off, and

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00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: we may or may not see you on Labor Day

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00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: for that first practice. We might not see you until

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Speaker 1: next Tuesday or even next Wednesday. So no, it's it's

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00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, do as I say, not as

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00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: I do, right as Yeah, whatever, But I'm just telling

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Speaker 1: you I'm staying in the valley and may I may

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00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: get a staycation for a night, but I'm finding out

820
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: these resorts want you to stay more than one night,

821
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: so at the prices jack up. But otherwise I'm just

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00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: gonna hang out. I'm looking forward to this season. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a ton of college football starting on you know,

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00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: on Thursday and Friday, and then Saturday, Sunday and Monday

825
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: because the NFL is not playing, so last week was

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Speaker 1: week zero. Now it's week one in college football. So

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Speaker 1: I'll be around and then I'll start scouting some of

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Speaker 1: these players for next year's draft. The scouting process begins

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Speaker 1: right now. Well, I was listening to Brandon Beam because

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Speaker 1: of this break, he's going to check out five college

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Speaker 1: football games this weekend. That would be interesting if you

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00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: talk with Steve come or Quentin and just ask, you know,

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00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: how many games could they hit during these four days

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00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: in which the players aren't involved. Now, I know you've

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00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: got still got some roster decisions, but there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of activity here before Labor Day. Yeah, and now you know,

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Speaker 1: I got college football. Seems like they play on Wednesday,

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00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: Thursday Friday. So if you go to a certain region. Now,

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Speaker 1: according to Doug Tamaro, the Cardinals will have scout or

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00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: scouts at the Ashoe game. And I don't know if

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00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: people will realize based on the recruiting over the last

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00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: couple of years, as Shoe is going to get more

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00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: players in the NFL in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: So when that happens, that's when you get a lot

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Speaker 1: of scouts. They're not coming there for the opponent. No

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00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: Southern Utah, especially on Thursday night. Yeah, probably not, although

847
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 1: there might be that diamond in the rough. But yeah,

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00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: to your point, yeah, a su the talent is there,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps this is the year for the Arizona State

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00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: Sun Devils. Of course, we all anticipate that this is

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00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: the year for the Arizona Cardinals. Week one, next week,

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00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: that first practice and Labor Day, and we will be

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Speaker 1: put a lid on this day. Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hunday proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals the first

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Speaker 1: day of September. Yes, that means the regular season is

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Speaker 1: against the Tennessee Titans for our executive producer special. Thanks

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Speaker 1: as always Jamo Mohundro for Mike Jarecki. I'm Craig Riel Loup.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Scover two.