WEBVTT - Ed Begley Jr 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.800 My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:08.600 is joy. I talked to interest in people about what 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:14.480 brings them happiness. Ed Begley Junior is a legend and 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.960 show business and he came down from on High to 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:24.040 talk to poor lonely me in Hollywood. He's a wonderful man. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:36.440 Ed Begley Junior. I first met you it was I'm 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.760 going to say it would be about nineteen ninety seven. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.599 Was it Drew carry It was the Drew Carey show, Right, 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:42.680 so good on that show. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.960 Oh man, you're so good on that show. But I 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.000 remember one of the things that really stick in my 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.400 mind about it was that you turned up in an 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:50.440 EV one. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.040 I did. That's right. I had one on that year, 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:55.960 EV one ninety seven. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.200 The electric car, and I was like, I remember because 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.000 I said does it go fast? And you said yeah. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.440 We drove around on the Warner Brothers law and an 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.720 Evy one and it was like shelf a shovel that thing. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.280 Yeah, it was rievable. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:09.760 And then they shut it down. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.840 They crushed them all they did. They did everything where 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.199 they had them in production available for lease and not sale. 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.240 And keep in mind they'd never sold one. They just 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.440 wanted to lease it so they could control it. Right, 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:22.720 there's a line in Shakespeare I think to condemn with 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.360 faint praise. That's what they did with that car. They 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.880 had all these ads in the la time, not for 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:29.720 a long time, but they had full page ads the 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.319 electric car. The Saturn logo is as big as my thumbnail. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.840 Maybe really you couldn't. Nobody knew where to get it. 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.039 I'd pull a group of people, hundreds or dozens, I'd say, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.880 how many people know about the electric car? All hands 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.880 would go up the GM electric car? Hands would go up. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.200 How many people know where to get one? One person? 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:46.840 Maybe nobody knew where to get it. 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.640 I remember, because I remember I'm saying I would do this. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.040 I would get an electric car. How did you charge 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.120 the EV one was a deal to charge it? 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.600 Yeah, it was a bit of a minor bit of 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:59.600 work to charge it properly. You could charge it in 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.000 one hundred ten volt, but that was you know, slow, slow, 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.520 right with that amount of current. But if you had 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.040 a two and forty volt line in your garage many 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.000 people do for an electric dryer or some other. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.000 Apartment well in Britain as that that's exactly. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:15.000 That's the standard voltage exactly right. So it's not not 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.080 that difficult to get an electrician to come in wired 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:18.959 if you don't have it, because there's you know, three 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.440 wires coming into everybody's home that you know equals two 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.399 and forty volts, so you can do it. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.160 It's so crazy to me that who should have done 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.359 did you? I mean, I know there was that documentary 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.720 Who Killed the Electric Car? Did you see that? 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.160 Yeah, I'm in it, believe it or not. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:34.360 I didn't see it. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.120 So it's a good no, because it's a good documentary. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:39.600 Chris Payne did a wonderful job. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.520 Well Who Killed the Electric Car? 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.200 Then they rightly put the blame at several people's feet. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.400 You know, there's lots of people that did things that 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.160 made it go away. But Wagoner I think that's his 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.560 correct name, the guy at GM. And they said, what's 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.079 your biggest success while you're there? And he said something 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.400 I don't remember, And he said, what's your biggest failure? 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:58.760 He said killing the electric car? 0:02:59.120 --> 0:02:59.320 Oh? 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.640 Really they knew it was it right in the customer 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.680 being something great. And now every manufacturer has electric cars. 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.320 Yeah, no, they all have to do it now. Yeah, 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.960 and it's do you drive an electric car? You do? 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.200 I have? Yeah, I've had electric cars since nineteen seventy 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.560 believe it or not quite primitive? 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.400 Then what what did you have to? 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.480 Let me be full disclosure player here we're talking about 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.400 electric you know, electric car its a golf cart with 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.840 a windshow wiping a horn, Electric carts with a t 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.640 a cave, electric cart? 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:29.320 Do you play? 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.959 I do not play golf. Do anything involving a sphere 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:33.720 or count me out. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.720 I don't think if you has been a big sporting man. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.120 No, I'm a bike rider. I used to ski, but 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:40.880 now I've kind of slowed down. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.200 You know, I have to say I fell off a 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:48.360 horse about three weeks ago. Oh boy, and it hurt, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.200 but I'm okay. But I'm sixty one now, and I 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.920 think I don't think I'm going to ski again because 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.640 because I like, you get an idea of what it's 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:01.360 like to come back from a fall, and it's it's 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:02.360 not like it used to be. 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.440 Man, I know I can't do it anywhere. There's no rolling, 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:05.400 no tuck and rolling. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:06.760 No I can tuck or roll. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:07.800 I can't tuck and roll. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.920 It's like it's like when asked to do a job. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.640 Now I can sing or dance. I can't sing and dance. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.200 Let's be to my drumming. Now I can do the 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.200 high hat. I can't do the kick drummer. I can't 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.480 do the drummer. I used to be a drummer. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.160 Yeah, me too. Yeah, that was Is that how you 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:24.960 didn't start is that you were an actor? You were 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:25.520 a kid actor? 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.880 Yeah, it was a I started at seventeen. I wanted 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.080 from the age of ten, but I had no skills. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.160 So I was shocked that no one gave me a job. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.440 I had to real wake me when I'm famous attitude, 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.440 and I never got any work. And I finally trained 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:37.200 and I got work. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.520 You would do well, no, because no, it doesn't matter exactly. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.919 You can reality star and next thing you know, you 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:44.200 got thirteen on air. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:45.520 What was your first gig? 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:47.279 My Three Sons? 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.200 That's right. I think I asked you that before My 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.440 Three Sons, which is in the you know, it's in 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.279 the Hall of Fame as an American classic. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.960 It is. It's a classic. Fred McMurray. Yeah, to get 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:58.520 a star of that magnitude, you know. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.880 To do TV back then, Yeah, to get a. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.919 Movie, start to do television. They had a guarantee he 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.000 would only shoot like one day a week. So we 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.280 do all this stuff with him with Fred McMurray on Friday, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:13.200 let's say all different actors came in, all different you know, shots, 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.160 angles and what have you. To do it you're done, 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:15.920 see you next week. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:17.039 See what one day a week? 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:17.800 One day a week. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.600 I love that. See that's what I miss about the 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.400 glory days of sitcoms that you know, when we were 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.440 doing the Drew Carey Show, we got it down to 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.800 like two and a half days a week. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.239 That was such a good show. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.839 It was a fun show. It's lost media now though, 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.440 It's like you can't find it anywhere. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.040 Is that true? Yeah? 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.919 I think there's something to do with the music rights 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:36.760 on it or something. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.880 Damn it all though it was so fine. 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.560 It's I don't know where it is. But is Do 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.120 you hear about Drew Carey during the Right of Strike? 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:44.840 What he did? 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:46.080 What did he do? 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:51.040 He kept an open tab at a restaurant in Hollywood. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:55.279 I think it's called Scribbles or Scrandles or Sandals or something. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.800 It's a restaurant like a diner that everybody likes to 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.560 go to and Drew captain open tab so if you 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:03.240 had a w G A card, you can go in 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:04.920 and get I love that. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.960 Guy for so many reasons. Another one, he's amazing. He's 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:08.960 such a great guy. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.800 Swingers, that's Swing Swingers restaurant. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.000 He did, didn't It shouldn't shock me for a moment. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.200 I think he would do. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.760 His tab was like seventy grand or something for the strike. 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.960 I mean to just buying tuna melts for every right 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.760 for five months, which is but that's who he is. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.080 I got to call him up an embarrassing when we're here. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.919 Yeah, the thing is as well. He gets embarrassed with 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:34.200 that kind of thing. It's weird. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:35.560 Good, then my work is done. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.680 So let me ask you this. Because you're you're a 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.000 child of show business, right, I mean you're at Begley 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.880 Junior because your dad, Ed Begley was a famous actor too, right. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.520 Yeah, big actor angry man during number ten won an 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.159 Oscar for Sweet Bird of Youth, best supporting. I didn't 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.919 want any front Broadway with Paul Muni and inherit the wind, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:56.720 big big actor, big time. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.880 So was he hesitant about you becoming an. 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.400 Eye or he was quite hesitant and rightly so my 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.040 older brother Tom, Tom had been in show business with 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.680 him briefly. I mean going back to you know, like Vaudeville, 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.000 that had a Vaudeville act together father and son. But 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.440 it turned out at some age Tom went, I didn't 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.000 want to do that. You made me do that, and 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:17.800 I want to be playing stickball with the guys, and 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.640 you had me when you're a stupid act and forget 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.640 about it. And then so he didn't want to do 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.520 it for about five or seven years, and he went, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.440 now I was wrong the second time. The first time 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.320 was right. Now I was right again. I want to 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.320 be an actor again. My dad would like that ship 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.960 is sail boy. I remember my older brother Tom, who 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.000 I worshiped that ship is sailed. But he occasionally got 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.360 him a job on something like Alfred Hitchcock Presents or something. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:44.040 This is the glory days of television, man. Everything was. 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.040 The whole city was pumping with wark at that time. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.640 Rod Serling he wrote patterns that my dad was brilliant in, 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.000 and Dick Kylie was in and all these Everett Sloan 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.400 was in just nothing but great writer, sitting limit directing 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.160 these TV shows like Twelve Angry Men. Then it became. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.080 It became it was a television show, I believe the teleplay, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.240 and it became a great movie and it's still here. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.360 Patty Chaievski, that's the golden age of television. But you 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.440 know what I think. I think this is the platinum 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:09.560 age of television right now. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.080 I hear you. You were on one of the best 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.000 shows ever made recently, The Better Call Saul. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.960 No Question and Peter gold come on. Unbelievable doing it 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.120 once with Breaking Bad, Breaking Bad, than to do it again. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.680 I know. I remember I saw Bob Odenkirk. Got kids 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:24.960 used to go to the same school, and I know 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.280 Bob a little bit, and you know, one of the nicest, 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:29.280 easiest men. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:30.240 I love Bob so much. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.560 Unbelievable. So I see I see him in the parking lot. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.280 We were dropping the kids off for the school bus 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:36.480 or something, and I said, what are you up to? 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.000 Because Breaking Bad had just ended, and he said, well, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.520 the guys that come back to me and they want 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.600 to take the soul Goodman character and maybe do something 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:44.679 with it. I said, you're going to do it and 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.800 he went, oh no, I can they do it again? 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:49.319 That's what I thought. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.600 I didn't And but man, did they ever? I prefer 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.480 Betcle and I love Breaking Bad. I love to tear 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:57.360 a better call Saul. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.440 I don't know. It's like which child do you like? 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.560 I like so much. But they really the art direction, 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.120 the cinematography, it's like a feature film. Every single episode 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.760 is like a feature film. And then Vincent Peter know 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.440 how to do it. Every episode they have that thing 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.719 like they had Breaking Bad, that that original visual thing. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.439 You go, what the hell does that mean? Yeah, it's 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.600 flying through the air and a motor home blows past 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.319 the pants. What could that possibly mean? Yeah, a low 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.280 rider car going on the hydraulics. We spent we spent 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.120 shellcasings down on the ground and the window blown out 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.120 and back. What does that mean? 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.480 And then we learn it's it's I think the visual 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:36.079 storytelling is unbelievable and it's fantastic. But what also kind 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:40.160 of struck me with Bear Cole Soul was it seems 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.640 like the they had mailowed ever so slightly in the 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.800 sense that for me it made it because Breaking Bad 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.160 something It's like, I can't I can't watch this. I 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.800 know it's hard, it's just too hard. But they kind 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.320 of dialed it back just a tiny bit for bear cales, 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.160 so that when when the violence of the whole or 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.320 it did happen, you were like, yeah, these guys deserve that, 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.040 you know, and all that. It was amazing though, I 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.520 mean just amazing. Does you have fun doing it? 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:09.800 I had the best time ever. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.160 I enjoy the act and then I love it. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.400 I thought i'd be done by now, but I people still. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.480 Call, well, you're a great actor, right, I mean, you 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.360 no idea what. I'm not anyone who was on my 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.920 three sons exactly, and everybody knows how punctual you are. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.440 I mean, I've never heard of anyone say. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:27.840 You know what. I'm going to say something now, and 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.960 I really believe it's true. Well, first of all, the 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.240 first part we all know is true. I'm not Joaquin Phoenix, 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.280 I'm not Meryl Streep, I'm not Bob de Niro. I 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.120 don't have that level of skill. I just don't know. 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.880 Nothing bad about it, nothing, no judgment. I don't have it. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:40.760 But I show up on time, No, I do not. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.920 I show up early every single day. I never cost 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.280 him any time, and I always there and know my 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.920 lines and I remember that stuff. As it turns out, 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:49.679 who knew. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:54.280 One hundred percent. I mean, I think that what kills actors, 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.319 particularly on the way up young actors is attitude. When 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.800 you think that you're so talented that people will look 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.640 beyond your behavior, which that's that's not the case. 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.080 My job is to do my job as an actor, 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.360 be prepared with what I think the character is in 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.440 my lines and all that. But then my job is 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.360 also to make every single department do their job better. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:18.920 To help the boom man, the lighting guy, everybody, the 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.720 first assistant with his follow focus, hit that mark so 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.480 we can keep it in focus, all that stuff. That's 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.880 my job to make their job as easy as I can. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:27.960 Did you get done my job? 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:29.880 Did you get that ethos from your father? 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.640 Was that he never ever walked to the set. He 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.560 ran to the set. Mister Begley, we're ready for you. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.640 Now hold that boy, I'm going in. Now start running 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.679 with his stubby little legs. He just ran his ass 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.600 to the set right there. Knew everybody's name, made everybody's 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:47.360 job easier. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.360 People have an odd idea about how Hollywood it is. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.720 It's actually it's a very I mean, it's very worktown. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.000 It's work based more than anything else. And this idea 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:01.000 that you know, those actors are millionaires and they, you know, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.520 going on straight and you go, well, some actors absolutely 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.480 are millionaires and then make a great deal of money. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.080 But I think the vast majority of actors in this 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.559 town it's like it's a middle class job exactly. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.040 The vast majority of people just getn't check to check. 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:14.360 Yeah, but I. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.640 Learned something as far as cooperating and making everybody's job easier. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:20.880 I did a movie called She Doubled with Meryl Streep. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.400 Oh yeah, that that's a great movie. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.680 She would come in with some brilliant idea, like she 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.880 has in every movie she's ever done. What's on the 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.880 page is often wonderful, and she always does something brilliant, 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:36.320 and Susan Seidelman, the director, would say, mmm, you know what, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.320 I think you should do something else, and she says 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.559 something and I'm sitting there thinking that's terrible. My god, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.520 She's going to get now scolded by Meryl Streep. How 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.240 dare you tell me what to do? And how dare 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.600 you come up with a lesser idea? She goes, Okay, 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.680 let me take this sowsier and make it into a 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.160 silk person. Here you are did exactly what she said 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.480 and made it completely fine. Wasn't as good as what 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.360 she did. It was like nearly as good, or maybe 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.520 even as good. But she does You could take a 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:01.880 bad idea and make it great. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:03.599 You ever worked with you, and you don't have to 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.600 say any names, but you've ever worked with an actor 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.760 and you thought, what the hell you doing here? Because 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.160 I'm well, I'm going to preface with saying that I've 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.240 worked with a couple. I'm like, I have to why 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.040 are you doing this job if it's so painful? I know, 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.640 because it's easy, and you know, all you have to 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.840 do is just like you say, be professional about it, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:24.880 and everybody's cool. That's what people. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.920 Want, right If you had a reading, if you auditioned 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.400 some manner and they like what you did, try and 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.040 do that for the first take. I want to do something 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.120 else and do that. You want to do something that's 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.400 occurred to your sense of reading? Fine, ass the director 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.440 if he wants to see that. I just bring in 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.280 like a salad ball with different stuff. If you want 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:42.680 some of this or that, what do you want on it? 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.080 And you guys pick what you want? 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.360 Will you read for a part if you like it? 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.080 Or is that in the rear view mirror. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.160 I don't have to read often, but when I have 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.360 the opportunity, I'm happy. To my agents. No, we don't 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.120 want you to read. We don't want I said, dude. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.160 I like reading. I get to go and play the 0:13:58.200 --> 0:13:59.959 part in the room. Then I get to do it 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.440 again with pay in front of digital camera. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.280 But I guess you do, see. I always I had 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:09.000 a different thing about about reading for parts. I always thought, wait, 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.640 so you want me to do the job, and then 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.400 if you don't like it, you fire me. I feel 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.480 right because because once I get as far as landing 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.040 the lines, which you got to really do for the reading, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.720 then now it's mine. I care about it and now, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.120 and then I get fired. I found it very difficult. 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.760 And of course everybody gets you know, doesn't get every audition. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.760 It just doesn't happen for anyone. But I found it 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.800 very tough. I couldn't take it. 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:37.840 I'm thinking right now, I haven't had to read in 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.960 a while, but if I had to read for something tomorrow, 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.280 for something good, sometimes I get confused, like a casting directory. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.960 Wait a minute, you read for me last month, I said, yeah, 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.920 but that was different. It was great material. This one 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.680 so great, you know, they don't know that's what it is. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.920 Then material, I get to go and play it in 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.600 a room, I get to play that part. It's gravy. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:57.920 If they want me to do it again in front 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.560 of a digital camera, that's gravy. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.440 So let's talk a little bit about because you and 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.760 I have a similar no, no, a similar story when 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.680 it comes to the old Uh yeah, the old alcohol. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.320 I had a thirst. I like my gargle. 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.480 Yeah, I did the wage. Were you when you quit? 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.360 I was thirty years older in nineteen seventy nine. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.600 I was almost the same. Obviously, look at just before 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:28.720 my thirtieth birthday. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:33.120 My daughter got sober at fifteen. I got sober at fifteen. World, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:33.840 I'd run. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.160 The world, you know. I look at that because people 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.520 sometimes say, you know, you know, I spilled more on 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.760 Mortal than you drank and all that. I'm like, yeah, 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.480 that doesn't make you better at it now, that just 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.920 means you drank longer. I'm glad I got sober when 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.760 I did, because I felt like, I think thirty is 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.240 kind of a sweet spot because you've done enough damage 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.280 to really fuck up your life a bit, but usually 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.480 not beyond repair. And I convinced you this is what 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.240 I thought. I convinced myself with a shadow of a doubt, 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.040 that I was, you know, someone who had alcoholism. That's 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.360 what I have, Drew, Carro. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:13.120 You were sober. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.120 Oh yeah, I was sober three years by the time 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.200 I stuck me. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.280 Too before sat Els, the same thing three years before 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:20.280 st elsewhere. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:24.240 Because gag for you. Didn't you get like ten Emmys 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:24.960 for that or something. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.000 I mean, I got nominated six times. I never won, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:31.400 but I got you never won. No'sful. No, It's fine 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.200 to get nominated, really is it is? 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.960 But I mean I always think when you go to 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.200 these awards ceremonies and you think I'm not going to win, 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.120 but you kind of you do. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:42.000 What if? 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.920 Yeah? I remember once I want to name me, and 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:46.640 I was like the first time I want to namey, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.240 I was like so excited. I didn't want to be 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.720 that excited. I totally blew my cool. I was like, 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:53.400 this is the greatest thing. 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.480 It is the greatest a rush. It is a rush. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:57.960 Oh my god, I love I would know. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.840 The winning rush, but I know the nominated rush. And 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:01.960 that's fine. That's enough. That's all I need. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.280 I think you've I think you've had a few. Can 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.040