1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Fields 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Total Group, Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and Senior reporter JP Shatterick. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: Where you the latest go. 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: On your Jacksonville Jaguars. 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 3: Huddle Up starts right now and welcome man. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 4: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks is brought to you by 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 4: Field's Auto Group, Jacksonville's c Fields First, Jacksonville's premiere luxury 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 4: auto group. Go to Fieldsauto dot com. JP Shadwick with 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 4: John Oser. We're at the Hyundai studios inside the Miller 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 4: Electric Center. 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 3: It's buzzing. The off season program is here. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 4: Bucky Brooks joins us from Los Angeles, and it's finally here. 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 3: Bucky. 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 4: Players are back in the building. Culture is being established. 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 4: Football things are beginning to happen. Good afternoon, man. 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: I love the energy. 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 5: I feel like you guys are completely bought in. There's 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 5: a lot of energy. I feel like the effort is 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 5: gonna be great. Got great attitude, dude, and that is 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 5: one of the pillars being able to establish a positive 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 5: and championship culture. 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: So I'm glad that you guys are all in. 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: It starts with John. It starts here John. 25 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, and kidding aside. There is a there's a buzz 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 6: to it, there's an energy. When I asked Liam Cohen 27 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 6: last week at the owners meeting what he wanted players 28 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 6: to feel, it was exactly that that the energy was there. 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 6: I think what they're not saying there's also an underpinning 30 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 6: of hey, this is different. You know, we're not gonna 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 6: hit you over the head with it. But what what 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 6: was before was not good enough. I don't think it 33 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 6: has to be said, and I think it's hey, you know, 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 6: buckle up, we're going so all those things. I think 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 6: I think Liam Cohen would be the first one to 36 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 6: tell you all this stuff. All the talk is great, 37 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 6: it had to be done. But I really liked what 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 6: he said at the owner's meetings last week when he said, look, 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 6: I asked Hm about the offensive line, right, and he's 40 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 6: he sort of stopped himself and said, I gotta see it. 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 6: You know, Yes, I think it's tougher, Yes, all that, 42 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 6: but what matters is what's gonna happen on the grass. 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 6: And uh, you know, I do like that. That's his 44 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 6: sort of core where he knows he has to talk 45 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 6: right now, but he wants to go play and he 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 6: knows none of that. It matters until you're out there 47 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 6: on the field. 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: It's all about the ball. It's all about the balls. 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 6: A lot of grass right here. 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of grass. I like that. 51 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 5: I like that the game has certainly played between the lines, 52 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 5: and all that talking and stuff is really meaningless until 53 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 5: you get on the field and you begin to see 54 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 5: the results. I think even I have had the temper 55 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 5: expectations coming off of the last two coaches and some 56 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 5: of the stuff like being really excited, and so now 57 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 5: you kind of want to see what it looks like. 58 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 5: Because everyone talks about doing it differently. Everyone talks about 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 5: how this is the reason why we're going to have 60 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 5: a lot of success. I can't wait to see how 61 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 5: we practice, how we put it together, how we stack it, 62 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 5: but more importantly, how do we perform? And the Lisa 63 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 5: on because we can do all of these things and 64 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 5: we can talk about it, but until we're truly about it, 65 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 5: when it matters, it means nothing. 66 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: Let's hear from Liam Cohen some of the highlights today. 67 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 4: Also Trevor Lawrence and Foyer. Lucan spoke with the media, 68 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: we'll start with the Jags head coach and what to 69 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 4: expect the next couple weeks. In phase one of this 70 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 4: offseason program. 71 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 7: Right now, we're trying to establish really two things are 72 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 7: the fundamentals and techniques of the schemes right we're not 73 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 7: truly diving into this. 74 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: Scheme at the moment. 75 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 7: Fundamentals and technique, and then as well our culture, the 76 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 7: way that we're going to play the game, our style 77 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 7: of play. Those are the two things that would like 78 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 7: to be able to get out of this, especially in 79 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 7: phase one where you're not on the grass with the players. 80 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 7: We're really installing our basic core fundamentals and principles and techniques, 81 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 7: and then also culture, our style of play, and our 82 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 7: commitments as well. 83 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: One of those core fundamentals is mental and physical toughness. 84 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: What does that mean for the Jaguars in twenty five 85 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 4: and beyond. 86 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 7: I know that this is not a physical time, it 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 7: can't be and it isn't. But the establishing of the mindset, 88 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 7: the way that we're going to do things, the way 89 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 7: that we want the meetings, like coach Camp brought up today, 90 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 7: our meetings should be tough. We're learning new information. It's 91 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 7: all very new for everybody. That's hard. It's hard to 92 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 7: do for a coach, for a player, it's hard to learn. 93 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 7: So when you do hard things and you come out 94 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 7: on the other end, usually you say, well I got 95 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 7: tougher from that. So we do believe that we can 96 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 7: start to establish that. You know, that was similar in 97 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 7: Tampa last year. When we got to the off season 98 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 7: program and got into it, you could start to see 99 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 7: the toughness come out, and the way that we broke 100 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 7: the huddle, the way that we communicated, the way that 101 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 7: we actually ran off the ball. You could see some 102 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 7: of that stuff come to life. 103 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 4: There's a couple from Liam coleen press conference at Jaguars 104 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 4: dot com Jaguars YouTube as well, and you know that's 105 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: we talked about this before, but now we're starting to 106 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 4: see it today. We heard from a Lucan and Trevor 107 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 4: Lawrence today about their initial impressions. And I mean today 108 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: and yesterday in the first few days of this are 109 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: huge to gain that trust to the team as a 110 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: coach and a coaching staff, Bucky, And you got to 111 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 4: set the tone right away. 112 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you get to set the tone right away. 113 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 5: You want to establish that, you want to make sure 114 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 5: everyone understands the expectations and standards. You want to make 115 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 5: sure that's clearly communicated. You want to be very direct 116 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 5: with that communication. And then you have to hold players 117 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 5: accountable to meeting those standards every day. I love what 118 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 5: Liam Cohen was talking about in terms of how they 119 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 5: have to get it done. 120 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: Now, some of it sounds kind of like hokey when it. 121 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 5: Comes to like our meetings have to be tough, whatever, 122 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 5: but it is an expectation that hard things are hard, 123 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 5: and the only way that you're going to get to 124 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 5: the other side of some of the obstacles that lie 125 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 5: in is you got to go through it, and you 126 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 5: got to begin to prepare yourself mentally to know that 127 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 5: as adversity is going to come and we got. 128 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: To be able to deal with it. 129 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 5: So I love all of that, and then my reaction 130 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 5: to hearing like the players talk about it will be 131 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 5: a look, we've had similar things, but can you really 132 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 5: buy in? Can you give of yourself to the team 133 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 5: to really buy into whatevery to all the things that 134 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 5: are being uttered and say no, no, no, I believe in this. 135 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 5: I'm going to believe in this, and I'm gonna do 136 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 5: everything in my power to make all of these things 137 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 5: come to fruition. So it'd be interesting to see how 138 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 5: this stuff plays out over the off season. But one point, 139 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 5: the wouldn't getting training came in the regular season. 140 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're on the second day of phase one. We're 141 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 6: not even the Buckie's favorite part of the year, which 142 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 6: is Ota. 143 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: That's coming soon, so coming, you know. 144 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 6: I love that they talked with energy. The players said, 145 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 6: this is clearly a young staff. Foyer said, you know, 146 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 6: you can embrace that. I certainly it's better that they 147 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 6: talked with energy than them being asleep at the wheel. 148 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 6: You know, you know, you know, you know what I'm 149 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 6: walking in here like we're already bored seeing you Densky 150 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 6: taking a nap, you know. So that everything feels right, 151 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 6: everything feels as it should, And we're gonna it sound 152 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 6: like a broken record if we keep saying we know 153 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 6: no it we know none of it matters, because we're 154 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 6: talking to a fan base that's heard this kind of 155 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 6: thing before. And JP, you know Bucky, you've been around 156 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 6: him a little bit at the combine. All I can 157 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 6: tell you is it it feels right. It feels like 158 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 6: it has a spine to go with all of the 159 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 6: bells and whistles. I'm optimistic about it working for the 160 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 6: long term. I get that if you're not buying it, 161 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 6: if you've heard it before, but something about it feels 162 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 6: real to me, and we'll see how it. 163 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: Goes, you know. And I kind of go back real quick, 164 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: Bucky though. 165 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: The last year we heard in the aftermath of all 166 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: this that there was rumblings pretty quick after the initial 167 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: meetings in the off season that oh, this is this 168 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: doesn't feel great in certain areas of the building. 169 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, well certain areas, yeah, so. 170 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: Important. 171 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you don't feel that now, so well see god, yeah, no. 172 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: We'll see. 173 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 5: And here's what I say, Liam coyn and everyone associated 174 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 5: with the coaching staff and even the front office, they have. 175 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: To believe what they're preaching. 176 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 5: That's really really important because what happens, and I'll just 177 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 5: go based off of last year. Last year we talked 178 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 5: about the tough camp, the toughness, the tough that. Then 179 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 5: we got into the regular season and the first hiccup 180 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 5: everything kind of fell apart. And so it's really important 181 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 5: that if you are talking about being tough minded, you 182 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 5: want the team to be tough minded. Whatever as the leader, 183 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 5: you also have to embody those qualities. I love the 184 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 5: coaching staff that we have in plays like some of 185 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 5: those coaches are really good coaches know them personally, and so. 186 00:08:59,040 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 3: I love that. 187 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 5: I love what I'm hearing in terms of the type 188 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 5: of team stylistically that we want to be, in terms 189 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 5: of tough and physical and discipline. 190 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: And details and all of that. 191 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 5: Now, it's about making sure that your behaviors match the 192 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 5: words that are being said, that all the actions match 193 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 5: the words, and that when we get to those tough moments, we. 194 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: Don't waiver, we don't buckle in those things. 195 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 5: And so this off season program is about preparing the 196 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 5: guys mentally and physically for the storms that are about 197 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 5: to happen, so they can push past those storms and 198 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 5: become the best versions of themselves as we. 199 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: Get into the late stages of the season. 200 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 4: Let's put a bow on this part of the conversation 201 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: with Foyer looking on the first impression on the defensive 202 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: side today. 203 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, new energy to the team. Obviously a little bit younger, 204 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 8: but I feel like this resonates a little bit better 205 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 8: in the room and everything right now. But just you know, 206 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 8: the passion that they speak with. Every time they're speaking, 207 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 8: definitely rubs off on us the right way, and just 208 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 8: take that into all of our workouts. Take that in, 209 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 8: you know, when we get on the field together, a 210 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 8: lot of guys all willing to improve and get better 211 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 8: together the team. 212 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 4: The same idea in the strength and conditioning realm as well. 213 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 4: All that's new with a new baseline and everything getting started. 214 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 4: Only those guys can be on the practice field with 215 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 4: players in the first couple of weeks in Phase number one, 216 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 4: the biggest part of today outside of Liam Cohen establishing 217 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 4: the culture and everything well, Trevor Lawrence spoke with the 218 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: media as well and a few nuggets came out of that. 219 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 4: He'll be on a little bit of a pitch count 220 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: in the off season, but also some changes to footwork 221 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 4: and Trevor Lawrence explaining what that means. 222 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 9: There's some things that you know, there's some things I've 223 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 9: known about my footwork over the years of playing that 224 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 9: I felt like have been a little bit of a weakness. 225 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 9: So there's some things that we've talked about of just 226 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 9: what are those things, what are we identifying as things 227 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 9: to work on. And then the system is built around 228 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 9: timing and tying your feet to your progression and playing 229 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 9: on time, and so it allows you to get backside, 230 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 9: allows you to get to checkdowns or whatever it may be, 231 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 9: and you can feel comfortable playing on time. And more 232 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 9: than any system I've ever learned, it's structured and based 233 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 9: on that, and it's so everything's tied exactly to how 234 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 9: this route is on this timing, So then your next 235 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 9: progression is off of this footwork, off this timing, so 236 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 9: it all ties in perfect. You don't have multiple routes 237 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 9: clearing at the same time, which is hard as a 238 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 9: quarterback because then you're sitting back there and you got 239 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 9: to make a decision before really the guy's open or covered, 240 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 9: you know. So I think they've done a really good 241 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 9: job with the system of really thinking through how does 242 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 9: it tie into a quarterbacks feet And that's what we've 243 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 9: been talking about. And it takes some work and you know, 244 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 9: flipping my stands, just some little things like that that 245 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 9: are small that many people wouldn't notice, but it is. 246 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 9: I have so many banked reps of the other way. 247 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 9: I got to just get all these on my own 248 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 9: and work them so once camp comes around, I'm ready 249 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 9: to go. 250 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 4: Interesting thoughts from the quarterback Trevor Lawrence again all the 251 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: availabilities today at Jaguars dot Com and Jags YouTube. 252 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 6: John, Yeah, I thought that was a very interesting SoundBite 253 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 6: and something Trevor said later in his availability. I'm not 254 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 6: sure he was thinking about it in this way, but 255 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 6: he said, it's it's hard, you know. I mean, it's 256 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 6: gonna be a hard scheme to learn. But Bucky, I 257 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 6: think what I liked about what Trevor just said is 258 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 6: it certainly sounded like he believed in the scheme. He 259 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 6: believed in what he's seeing enough that during the hard process. 260 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 6: I think any new scheme is going to be, you know, 261 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 6: a task for a quarterback to learn, varying levels of 262 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 6: how difficult it is. But it certainly sounds like he 263 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 6: sees things in this scheme that when he's learning it 264 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 6: and going through it, he believes in it enough to 265 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 6: get through to the other end. If that makes sense. 266 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, My takeaway was very similar to what you had 267 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 5: like in terms of him believing in it. My interpretation 268 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 5: of what Trevor said was he believes in the organization 269 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 5: and the structure of the offense that is sensible to him, 270 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 5: that the footwork matches the depth of the route, and 271 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 5: so for everyone to understand this is send three steps 272 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 5: and go and three steps in a hitch and all. 273 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: Of those things. 274 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 5: Because for the quarterback, if he trusts his feet he 275 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 5: gets to the back foot, the ball has to come 276 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 5: out on time. But for that to really work, the 277 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 5: receivers have to be running routes where they're breaking open 278 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 5: at the same time. 279 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: And it's one of these things where it looks like 280 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: a look. 281 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 5: It's all organized and choreographed, and so everyone has to 282 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 5: be on the same page. And when he talks about 283 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 5: like previously guys kind of getting open at the same level, well, 284 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 5: that's really hard for the quarterback to kind of figure out, like, well, 285 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 5: well who do I go to? Who should Who do 286 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 5: I think is going to come over? So there's more guesswork, 287 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 5: and it appears without seeing it. 288 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: It appears that. 289 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 5: Things clearly defined, and that makes life easier on the quarterback. 290 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 5: So I can't say that the system is quarterback friendly, 291 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 5: but I will say I've seen Baker Mayfield, and I've 292 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 5: also because office, according to it comes from Minnesota, I've 293 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 5: seen Sam Donald have a lot of success in this system. 294 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 5: And I also think about the rams and how Jarrett 295 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 5: Golf looked one way for a long time. 296 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: Sean McVay and that staff come in, he. 297 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 5: Becomes a Pro Bowl player and takes a team to 298 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 5: a super Bowl in that system. So I'm a believer 299 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 5: that there's something that they understand about tying it together 300 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 5: with the quarterback's feet to allow him to have a 301 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 5: lot of success. 302 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, and this sort of ties into it too. Liam 303 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 6: Cohen and his availability to day talked a lot about 304 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 6: playing with an unclouded mind I think was the word 305 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 6: that he used, or a clearly yeah. And so it 306 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 6: certainly will find out how it all looks. But I 307 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 6: think in those sound bites we certainly heard the beginnings 308 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 6: of the theme of what they're talking about and what 309 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence is going to be the storyline as we 310 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 6: go forward into this season, because to me, if he 311 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 6: takes huge steps, the fundamentals around him or the core 312 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 6: around him is capable of taking steps with him without 313 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 6: him taking steps, I don't know that this roster is 314 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 6: going to be enough to lift you to a twelve 315 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 6: and five season. If he takes huge steps, anything can happen. 316 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 6: He's the storyline, and I you know, I think we've 317 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 6: seen the basis of our discussion points. 318 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: As we move forward with him, the Jags are coming 319 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: to you. 320 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: Join us on April tenth, Thursday for an exclusive meet 321 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: and greet with Jaguars legend Josh Scoby. The VL will 322 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 4: be held at Lemon Bar at one twenty Atlantic Boulevard 323 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 4: from five thirty pm to seven pm. 324 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: For more info, call nine O four six three three 325 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: two thousand. That's your guy, John, That is Mike. You're 326 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: gonna be there. 327 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 6: I probably will not, but I'll text him. 328 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that'll go well. 329 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 330 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 4: Tuddle up with Bucky Brooks, J P. Shadwick of John 331 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: Hosier and Jackson Bill with the Miller Electric Center. Bucky 332 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: Brooks with us out in Los Angeles. Other Jaguars news 333 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker receiving the fifth year option, and then Liam 334 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: Cohen asked today about Devin Lloyd also in that draft class, 335 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 4: and no word on that yet. I got to kind 336 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 4: and see him in the building first, be around him 337 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: a little bit more. 338 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: That was what the head coach said today. 339 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 4: But really around here at least, no surprise on the 340 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker news with the production he's had the last 341 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: two years, especially John. 342 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, not a surprise to me. And I think the 343 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 6: X factor becomes how soon and when do you approach 344 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 6: him about long term contract? To me, I mean people 345 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 6: who listen know I love Trayvon. I love what he's about. 346 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 6: I love what he brings. I think he's a guy 347 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 6: that you want in your building and on your team 348 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 6: for all the ways that he approaches it and for 349 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 6: what he does on the field. And my sense, Bucky, 350 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 6: I'm not surprised that they haven't done a deal yet, 351 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 6: because when a new regime comes in and you're committing 352 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 6: the sort of money that it will take, you know, 353 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 6: there's anything wrong with saying, hey, we love what we've 354 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 6: seen on film, we love what you're about. Baselli tells 355 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 6: us all this stuff. Let's see it, let's make sure 356 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 6: the marriage works, let's live together first. Yeah. But I 357 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 6: have no doubt or very little doubt that once you're 358 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 6: around this kid, Bucky, he's the kind of guy you 359 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 6: want to be around. 360 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 361 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 5: Absolutely, Man, you want to be around him. You love 362 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 5: what he's about. He's about the right stuff. And as 363 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 5: we think about championship teams having a core nucleus of 364 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 5: players that are built the right way, that fit the culture, 365 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 5: that fit how you want this team to ultimately perform 366 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 5: on and off the field. 367 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: Man, how can you not like him? And we have 368 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: seen that is better to be on the. 369 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 5: Front end, front end of these things as opposed to 370 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 5: the back end, because the. 371 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: Raid only goes up, it never comes down. So you 372 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 2: feel great about him. 373 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 5: You feel good about how he handles himself, how he's 374 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 5: connected with the team, and importantly, how he plays on 375 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 5: the grass since we're using grass analogies. 376 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: Look, man, you make it happen. 377 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 3: All right. Now, we're about two weeks away from the 378 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: NFL draft. 379 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 6: Ot as, no, no, yeah, we got waste for yet 380 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 6: a little while before. 381 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: We've got a mini camp coming. We've got a mini camp. 382 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 6: Christ come out. 383 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 4: There is a voluntary veteran mini camp after the first 384 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 4: two weeks of the off season program. 385 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, right before the draft, right right, three days before 386 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 3: the draft. 387 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, great opportunity. 388 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: Do you have a boy? 389 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 6: So there's that more mini camps, which is just what 390 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 6: you want, John Well, I think it's what everybody wants. 391 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 9: JP. 392 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: I mean, who doesn't I think something to look at. 393 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 4: All? Right? So then the draft, Bucky, I mean, what's 394 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: uh what's the latest scuttle this week on in draft 395 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: circles in the top five. 396 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 3: I know it changes daily. 397 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: It feels like I can't say it necessarily changes daily. 398 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 5: But I think the limma that we're going to have 399 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 5: as we look at the top five is how many 400 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 5: guys are really worthy of being top five picks, meaning 401 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 5: who are the true elite prospects in the draft. And 402 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 5: people are talking about the quarterbacks, cam Ward, they're talking 403 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 5: about Suedar Sanders. But then if you took a consensus, 404 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 5: how many high level scouts really believe that those guys 405 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 5: are elite players? I would say that when I talk 406 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 5: to people, they're about five or six guys that they 407 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 5: say are slam dunk elite players, meaning they're the best 408 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 5: of the best, regardless of it. So it's always Travis 409 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 5: Hunter's in the conversation, after Carter's in the conversation, Ashton 410 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 5: Genty is in the conversation, Jayden Walker is always in 411 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 5: the conversation, and then Tyler Warren is in the conversation. 412 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 5: When people talk about elite, regardless of year, regardless of 413 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 5: draft class, those guys would be considered the elite prospects 414 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: in any class. 415 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: So they're transcendent. That's where we're at. 416 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 5: And so it's really important that as we talk about 417 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 5: being in the top five, that you want to take 418 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 5: a player that his performance and production and value matches 419 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 5: where you're picking him at because if not, you can 420 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 5: be disappointed when you take someone at five and they 421 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 5: don't have those traits, and so you're like, man, he's 422 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 5: the top five pick. He should be a perennial Pro 423 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 5: Bowl player and All Pro player, someone that anchors the 424 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 5: franchise as a high level star for five or so years. 425 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 5: If you don't put the right player in that fifth slot, 426 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 5: you can be disappointed and ultimately you're going to have 427 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 5: to redo it because he's never going to live up 428 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 5: to what your expectation is. So that's why it's tricky 429 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 5: in terms of making sure not by need but by 430 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 5: best player available, that you take a player that is 431 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 5: available at the fifth spot that gives you all Pro 432 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 5: caliber production for the next four or so years. 433 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 6: All right, a question then for the draft philosopher. Yeah, 434 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 6: and I wonder about this, Jalen Walker. Yeah, you know, 435 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 6: if a edge guy is elite, nobody has any issue 436 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 6: with them in the top five. What's weirder to see 437 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 6: in the top five in this era running back or 438 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 6: tight end, because both of them historically. That's how there 439 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 6: are people in the league who would feel weird about 440 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 6: either of those positions. Top five, right, Yeah, I. 441 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 5: Mean there are people that they kind of stick to 442 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 5: that quote unquote positional value stuff. But what I would 443 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 5: tell you is good players are good players, and great 444 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 5: players are great players. 445 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: And there's a difference between good and great. 446 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: And I would rather have a great player at any 447 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 5: position than a really good player at a marquee position, 448 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, it's a star 449 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 5: driven league, and the team that typically accumulates the most stars, 450 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 5: so the teams that win. 451 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: Year after year after year. 452 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 5: So regardless of whether it's a position high value position 453 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 5: or not, I want to get a star at pick 454 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 5: number five. And I think is really important that when 455 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 5: you're evaluating the player, it pops and you can envision. 456 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 5: Dave Getlman got in trouble a few years ago when 457 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 5: he took Saquon Barkley number two, but he said, when 458 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 5: I'm picking at the top of the board, it's a 459 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 5: boardant and I can close my eyes and envision this 460 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 5: guy eventually donning a gold jacket. 461 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: That is kind of how the Jaguars have to operate. 462 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 5: Who are the players in the draft that you can 463 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 5: see being perennial Pro Bowl players and eventually evolving into 464 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame caliber player. That's who should be 465 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 5: on your radar when we're picking fifth overall. 466 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, And a funny discussion or email I received somebody said, well, 467 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 6: you know the running back GENTI, he's not AP, He's 468 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 6: not Adrian Peterson. And my thought was, is he Saquon? 469 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 6: Because I mean, and those are the discussions, right, and 470 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 6: I understand that's what you talk about with running backs, 471 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 6: you know, and there is a long term that I 472 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 6: sort of fall into the other side of it. I 473 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 6: would have trouble taking running back that early just because 474 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 6: I'm that guy. We touched on that last But I 475 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 6: kind of get what you're talking about. 476 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: Bucky. 477 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 6: If he's. 478 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, let's not even tell what if what 479 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 5: if he what if he's Christian McCaffrey, what if he's whatever. Like, 480 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 5: when you really look at the history, the bus factor 481 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 5: in the top ten with running backs is not really 482 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 5: what we make it out to be. Like the guys 483 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 5: that have really been taken up. Even when people talk 484 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 5: about Todd Gurley, Oh my god, Todd Gurley, tdd Gurley 485 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 5: was Offensive Player of the Year, Like we would we 486 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 5: would take that kind of production. I'll say this because 487 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 5: you mentioned what if he's Fred Taylor, Like, like, what 488 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 5: if he's Fred? What if he can give you where 489 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 5: Fred Taylor gave the franchise as RB one. Now I 490 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 5: would say this, The thing that I would suggest doing 491 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 5: is make sure we backstop him with another high level back. 492 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 5: Maybe that's Tant Bigsby or whatever, But I'm just saying, 493 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 5: we have to grade the talent for the talent, and 494 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 5: what we don't want to do is force somebody into 495 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 5: that spot that we know, in our heart of hearts 496 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 5: is not a potential superstar. I would rather swing and 497 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 5: miss on a guy who exhibits star like straits than 498 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 5: to settle for someone that is just okay, he's a 499 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 5: starter in the top five. 500 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: You want more than just a starter in the top five. 501 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 6: You want special And is this the kind of back 502 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 6: and forth, Bucky that most teams are going to have 503 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 6: for a month leading to the draft, Like how does 504 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 6: a draft room work like that? 505 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 9: Or is it? 506 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 6: Hey, you know what we believe this, and this is 507 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 6: what we're going with. You know what I'm saying. 508 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, this is what we're doing. We're scrimmaging it out. 509 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 5: And at some point there's this overall philosophy of how 510 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 5: we draft players and what we believe in, and that 511 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 5: is set and established by the general manager. Hey, this 512 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 5: is what we believe in philosophically when it comes to 513 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 5: who we draft, how we draft, how we attack the 514 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 5: top of the board. Then is the conversation that you 515 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 5: he has to manage between need versus best player available, 516 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 5: because what happens is the need tends to get into 517 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 5: your grades and it impacts who we end up putting 518 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 5: it at the top of the board because it just 519 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 5: so happens to coincide. 520 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: With the position of need that we have. 521 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 5: And what the general manager and the leadership team they 522 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 5: have to do is no, no, let's take the position 523 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 5: out of it. 524 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: How good is this player? What does he have? 525 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 5: What is superpowers? How can we utilize those superpowers to 526 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 5: maximize him? Is he worthy of being a top five selection? 527 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 5: That's where the conversation should start. And then if you 528 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 5: stack the board based on that. I always tell people 529 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 5: it's really as simple. If we are all at the 530 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 5: park and we're about to play pickup in a Turkey 531 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 5: day ball and we're going down, Hey, give me Johnny, 532 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 5: give me this, give me that. That's as simple as 533 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 5: it really should be. Who do I want on my 534 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 5: team that I know is going to help me win 535 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 5: the turkey ball? That's what I want and it should 536 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 5: be as simple as that. Don't make it. 537 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: Harder than what it is. 538 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: I know, we talk about it being rocket science is. 539 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 5: Not pick really good players, and the really good players 540 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 5: pop on tape, spend less time projecting how they're gonna be. 541 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: Look at the players that are really good. 542 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 5: Take those guys, and more times than not, whatever they 543 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 5: showed you in college, they're gonna replicate. 544 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: It when they becomes when they become pros. 545 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: That kind of goes to the philosophy of not having 546 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 3: them visit. I mean, take that a little bit out 547 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 3: of the equation and focus on the tape. 548 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 5: That's the influence, because what happens is we're trying to 549 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 5: keep So there's some coaches that believe in keeping distance 550 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 5: from the players because if you get emotionally attached, it 551 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 5: clouds how you feel about them. 552 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: Same thing with the draft process. 553 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 5: There are guys that man we gravitate towards there's some 554 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 5: kind of connection that we have, but it may impact 555 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 5: our ability to really take the bias out and evaluate. 556 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: The player for the player. 557 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 5: I understand why you wouldn't want to have a lot 558 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: of people in the building because you're like, no, no, no, 559 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 5: I don't want this to cloud because I love the person. 560 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: I don't want the cloud. How I really rate the player? 561 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, like JP, I'm not taking her play left tackle. 562 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, good idea. 563 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: Don't need that. 564 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 3: Nobody needs that. Certainly Trevor Lawrence doesn't need that. 565 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 6: A lot of the egg Yeah, look at. 566 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 4: Duck, Trevor Duck run. Hey, I got some bad news, guys. 567 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 4: T Pain is out, but Kodak he's out. He's been 568 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 4: replaced as the headliner for the May thirty first show 569 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 4: by Kodak Black. 570 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 6: Well that's fine. 571 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: Oh you know that might that might bring out. That's 572 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: gonna bring one. 573 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 5: It's gonna bring out a different it's gonna bring out 574 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 5: a different element in terms of the young. 575 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: People are gonna show out more so than they would 576 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: have shown out for T Pain. 577 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 5: So our players probably appreciate Kodak Black coming more so 578 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 5: than T Pain they made out of faded They might 579 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 5: have been like a throwback to the odies for our guests. 580 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 4: Well, if you had a ticket for T Pain, any 581 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 4: previously pursued tickets are still valid, by the way, but 582 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 4: if you need a refine, you'll get emails directly through 583 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: Ticketmaster with instructions for that, so check out your email 584 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: for that. Plenty of great shows coming up this spring 585 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,239 Speaker 4: and summer at Dailiesplace dot com. 586 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 6: I'll say this, I am just as big a fan 587 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 6: of Kodak back. 588 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 2: Oh look, it doesn't change my plans, change plans. 589 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 3: We're still going. 590 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: We're still my plans were to be there when T. 591 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: Paine was in the building. 592 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 5: So now I just have to like update my playlist, 593 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 5: make sure I'm up on Code at Black and his 594 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 5: latest stuff. 595 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: But we're good to go. Nothing changes good to go. 596 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 4: I wonder if locked in, can we get the couch 597 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 4: from Baseli you think one of those lounge couches things. 598 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 6: Not if he's on it first. 599 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 2: I mean, he's the e v P. He can make 600 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: anything happen. He's like the Wizard. 601 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 5: I feel like we can go down as we can 602 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 5: go down to Yellow Bick Road and be like, hey, 603 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 5: here's what we need. 604 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: Tony, who make a phone call? 605 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 6: You keep feeling that way. 606 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: It's like Aladdin, we get some wishes and whatever we want. 607 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 3: All right, We've got you got an EV podcast coming 608 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: up soon, right, I do. 609 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 6: I think it'll probably air post whatever you call it now, Uh, 610 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 6: probably next week, I believe. I talked to him today 611 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 6: and I think there's gonna We're gonna give some time 612 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 6: for the production crew to dress up a little bit. 613 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 6: But it's it's good stuff. He as people know. The 614 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 6: EV podcast is what we're gonna do periodically with Tony. 615 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 8: Uh. 616 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 6: He's high end in terms of verbalizing and saying what 617 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 6: the direction of the franchise. So I'm excited about it 618 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 6: and it's a good one. 619 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: I love that. Paths of the Draft still going on, Bucky. 620 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Path of the Draft is do going on. But 621 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: make sure you also pants. 622 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 5: And I know you guys are infatuated with mock drafts. 623 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 5: Mock Draft Live also goes on on Tuesdays. Path to 624 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 5: the Draft is daily. You can check all that out. 625 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 5: We're doing great. A little content. We did like a 626 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 5: little mini mock draft yesterday where I was able to 627 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 5: put a jail and Walker with the Jaguar at five 628 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 5: just because it happened to work out that way. 629 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 6: So who knows who are you married to at five bucks? 630 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 5: Not married to anybody. We're just gonna make sure that 631 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 5: we get the best player. Not married to anybody. We 632 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 5: can take the best player. 633 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: We gotta be number. We can't be married. 634 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 3: We can't be married. 635 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 6: People come on down the hall. 636 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 7: And give that. 637 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 5: Can't be We can't be married to anybody because we're five. 638 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 5: We got four people that determine our fate. So I 639 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 5: can't say, hey man, I'm locked in on this player. 640 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: He may not be there. So we got to go 641 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: with an open mind. In fact, we got to get open. 642 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 6: I'll bet we could get even as guarded as glass. 643 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 6: I bet you would give us more than that. 644 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean look, I mean back back in our day, 645 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 5: I think like it's like going to the sock cop. 646 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 5: You can't go to the sock cop with with one 647 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 5: girl in mind. You got to make sure that you're open. 648 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 5: You don't know who's gonna say yes. You got to 649 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 5: take a couple of shots before you get the bell. 650 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 3: Of the ball hold on. 651 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 6: So I looked at the other one sock cop this 652 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 6: is nineteen fifty two. 653 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: What are you talking about. 654 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 6: I'm guessing you didn't listen to t Payne at the 655 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 6: sock Hop probably or cod or Kodak. 656 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Bill Haley in the comics played your 657 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: sock hop? Is that what happened? 658 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: Come on, man, do all that. I still like driving 659 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: movies and all that other stuff. Like some things should 660 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: never go away. 661 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 6: It's a kid from Raleigh, right there, no doubt. 662 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 4: Thursday, it's Jaguars Happy Hour Radio four o'clock logging and 663 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 4: and I will have a recap of everything that happened today. 664 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: Once again, Bucky, have a great week. We'll do it 665 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: again next week. 666 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: Man, let's do it all right. 667 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 4: Bye, Bucky Brooks, John O's MJP Shadwick Our thanks to David, 668 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 4: Joe and Joe Fortunato. Thanks to you for listening and 669 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 4: watching to huddle up with Bucky Brooks.