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Speaker 1: battle wrap, I just called people out for being egotistical. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you have any battle with your blood,

427
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: like like get grandmother on it, Like you know, what

428
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: would your mom thinking, you know, saying like that's a

429
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: good that's a good strategy. I used to. I used

430
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: to battle myself, so though I know I ran across

431
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: some cats like you nice were you were? You still

432
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: djaying every Thursday in the Castro up until the pandemic hit,

433
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: every month a month until until the pandemic. And I

434
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: saw the last time I was rolling through. Actually there

435
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: was a former member of our Board of Supervisors who

436
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: passed away recently, so there was a memorial for him.

437
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: And as I was walking to the memorial, I just

438
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: happened to pass the spot where I played piece every

439
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: month and they start it, uh, serving people out on

440
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: the sidewalks. So they kind of moved the service out

441
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: on the sidewalk. So I'm open maybe to get back

442
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: in there and bumps some beats off the dolphin, you know.

443
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: Well not even campaign events, just like different playing the ball.

444
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: Well I had a chance to do some of that.

445
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: We just played actually a renegade in Alamo Square at

446
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: sunset on my ex girlfriend's friends put it together Thursday.

447
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: I think that lies and uh, and then this is

448
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: even crazier. An art truck just got to town. It

449
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: used to be the Bernie Man and our homie David

450
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: just got to town on Friday, and we spent all

451
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: weekend bumping beats all over the city and different like

452
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: block party protests, all youth lad My favorite moment of

453
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: the whole week was Saturday morning, Independence Day. I'm on

454
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: the roof of a van in a Code Pink and

455
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: Extinction rebellion caravan going to Nancy Pelosi's house for an

456
00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: empty chair debate, chanting defund, police and the Penting defund

457
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 1: we had. All the horns are going, Yeah, that's what's up?

458
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: So what is the pandemic? In the campaign? Trail been

459
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: like free musically, well musically it's just kind of like

460
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: shut down music. But I missed it all. I mean,

461
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: I still write lyrics. Um, I've gotten to plug in

462
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: on a couple of like Zoom conferences, like basically different

463
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: DJ crews that are doing live streams. You know, it's

464
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: like dance with everybody in there their living rooms, in

465
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: their bedrooms, and that's kind of cool, but like I feel,

466
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: I feel pretty shorn. That's one thing I missed. Frankly.

467
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things too. More and then

468
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm like this and I have more than once more,

469
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: particularly like just the experience of people being together, and

470
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Speaker 1: especially because like I don't even know when we experienced

471
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Speaker 1: that together that that's one reason for me that Renegade

472
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: Alamo Square was like so it was my heart because like,

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Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't been on a dance floor with

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Speaker 1: a group of people and you know, months, and then

475
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: we're out there and there's all these little dogs and

476
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: little kids and like people having their picnics and like

477
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: help me throwing down. Sam's throwing down some beautiful house music,

478
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: and it's a sunset on this I think after them

479
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: and the system was it was perfect. Um, I guess

480
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: it was evening because I usually worked all around eight

481
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: or nine, so I think I got there right around sunset.

482
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: But it was just like the feeling of just being

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Speaker 1: in community and motion, you know, like we talked in

484
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: the house music community sometimes about like you know, the clubs,

485
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: church and you know, yeah, I hadn't gone to a a

486
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: church in a while, so yeah, speaking of faith. On

487
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: the same Katie Helper interview I listened to, when speaking

488
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: of faith, you said, like any good DJ, you remix

489
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: things and religious in refference to your religious practice. And

490
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Speaker 1: I wondered if the mindset of remixing makes its way

491
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Speaker 1: into your political work at all or if other musical

492
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: mindset sets inform your political efficacy. That's a fascinating question.

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Speaker 1: And I suppose yeah. I mean, I was just talking.

494
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Speaker 1: I remember on a podcast with the Student Texas over

495
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: the weekend, and at one point in the conversation I

496
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: described progressivism and libertarianism as flip sides at the same point,

497
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: and he has a libertarian seemed to be very compelled

498
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: by that. And you're talking that through and you know,

499
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: that's there's a remix there. I'm a democratic socialist, and

500
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: I often said, but the D back in democratic socialism,

501
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: people focus on the S because that's what's you you know,

502
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: like socialism in the face of corporate capitalism is like

503
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: people are like, wow, that's novel. You know, maybe it is,

504
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: but a lot of us have long been committed to

505
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: making sure that people get housing and food and health

506
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: care first before people get yachts, and so like, that's

507
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: that's socialism. The D and the democratic social movement is

508
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: just like maintained the best digital commitments to democratic governments

509
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: that are slipping to our fews. And that's much more

510
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: typically if you trace it back, that tends to go,

511
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, to libertarians tend to be the people more

512
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: concerned with that kind of stuff. But I remember co

513
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: intel pro though you know, I was born in the

514
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: tail end of it and socialized certainly after it. The

515
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom would suggest it ended. But the threat to

516
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: dissent and the weaponization of intelligence apparatuses and police departments

517
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: to suppress dissent and and subvert our democracy by using

518
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: security and public safety as a ruse to offend First

519
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: Amendment principles. That is as timeless as the United States,

520
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: and that goes back to the wards into the FOM.

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00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: That would just say, in terms of the remix, I

522
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: think a lot of democratic socialists they lead into the

523
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: socialism and they forget the democratic and so like, if

524
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: I have a remix, it's that I'm bringing in this

525
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: like and you know, I would say it's like particularly

526
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: inflected by a memory of the Panthers and the civil

527
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: rights movement and the movement for peace and Vietnam and

528
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: what happened to those movements and how they were neutralized.

529
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of contemporary socialists forget that

530
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: not distant history and reed in the first place because

531
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: of the way our schools work. Yeah, I think that's

532
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: but it's so relevant. But it's so relevant absolutely, I

533
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: absolutely agree. Yeah, in digging like through you know, your music.

534
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: Something that was of note was in twinty four Team

535
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: you put out like a video slash song called us

536
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: A versus the N S A and then and say

537
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: versus USA. And then I also noticed that you you

538
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: were spitting you know, there's some videos on YouTube of

539
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: you spitting a Ferguson too Jerusalem like verse while djaying sometimes.

540
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: And it's just I know that at that particular moment

541
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: in time and in there were a lot of things

542
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: going on that for whatever reason, I personally was just

543
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: compelled to talk about within my art. So did that

544
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: did that moment in time like have any sort of

545
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: special significance that you felt the need to like write

546
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: those two things, because that's around the time of like

547
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Edward Snowden obviously for the Ferguson shooting all within Yeah,

548
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: within about a year of each other. Lots of things

549
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: to say that. I mean, my dream has always been

550
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 1: this gets back to your question only about you know,

551
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 1: how would I construct my life if I wanted it?

552
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: My dream has always been do like rapid response political

553
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: education through like hip hop and house music and if

554
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: I could drop a music video within a week of

555
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: a new cycle to be like, here's what it is, like,

556
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: here's the background, here the context, here's when you're not

557
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: being told in the media, and like people don't have

558
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: the stomach to read that I've discovered, but it seems

559
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: like they'll watch a music video for it, So like, Okay,

560
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: let's just let's package it like that. I think that's

561
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: like that could be a thing. That's kind of what

562
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: we do on this show. That's my vision, y, yeah, right,

563
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: if that's the vision that you're promoting, I mean I

564
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: props to you. I mean, if you have a page

565
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: on my website, not for the campaign, but like my

566
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: personal science just my name dot com where the lyrics

567
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: for n S a versus USA are annotated and hyperlink

568
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: to background news stories and articles like every word in

569
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: that in that song means something. And you know, I

570
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: basically write whether it's for an academic audience or a

571
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: public literary audience, or for like a musical audience as

572
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: like public education slash propaganda recognizing that so right, and

573
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: and those songs for me in particular, I guess we're

574
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: like my they were My opus is in the sense

575
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: of actually responding in as close to real time as

576
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: I could get. Like I dropped n S a Versus USA.

577
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: It took me about a year after the Snowden revelations

578
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: to get the music video done, but like you know,

579
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: I had to like you to Kickstarter and the whole

580
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: nine and like that took me a while, but by

581
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: the time it dropped, it was like still it remains

582
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: unfortunately entirely too relevant. You know, it goes back to

583
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: the plot to kill Dr King and connects that to

584
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: Fred Hampson's assassination and the bombing of Judy Barry and

585
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: Edward Snowden's revelation or Obama's continuation of Bush's legacy, and

586
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: you know the way that DHS biometric data collection inflex

587
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: all this and like you know, the corruption that evades

588
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: this entire enterprise. Yeah, we actually we did. Um we

589
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: did an episode on Conceal pro recently in the history

590
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: of FBIIL and some black musicians, and I was really

591
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: hoping to hear you talk a little bit about the

592
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: CIA's involvement in the War on drugs. That's kind of

593
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: an extension of the way the federal government has worked

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00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: to break up breakup black communities and what you, as

595
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: a congressman would do to heal the aftermath of the

596
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: War on drugs. Thank you so much for bringing the

597
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: lens there. People forget this entirely, and I find and

598
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: in contemporary mobilizations around the Movement for Lick Lives, this

599
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: tends to be the thing I talked about is Gary

600
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Webb's legacy and how it relates to the issues and

601
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: we are confronting today in terms of militarized police and

602
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: the assaults on our communities. It is documented fact that

603
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: the Central Intelligence Agency ran crack cocaine into US cities

604
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: in the nineties to fund its rogue foreign policy abroad

605
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: and its human rights abuses across Latin America. And the

606
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: agency never paid any price for that, no budgetary price,

607
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: no programmatic price. Nobody went to jail. You know. The

608
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: worst that happened there was the Iran contra scandal, which

609
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: was a piece of it. You know, the fuller dimensions

610
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: of this never emerged until later. U s cops were

611
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: dying on the streets of US cities, gunned down by

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00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: narco traffickers that the CIA had trained and equipped. And

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00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: as a response to that and a generation of people

614
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: participating in an underground economy. But the CIA created we

615
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: sent two and a half million black and brown people

616
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: to prison. And that's that's changed the hip hop generation

617
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: and the post hip hop generation, like indelibly that Like

618
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: it's such a formative like part of our history and

619
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Speaker 1: our story, the stories that we're still telling through our music.

620
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: And I fear that as we tell those stories, we

621
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Speaker 1: tell them almost as if we are depicting an elephant.

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Speaker 1: But talking about the tusk, like we talk about the

623
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: militarization of police, we talked about how it impacts our communities.

624
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: But behind the tusk is this whole other thing. And

625
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: that's not just police. That is an extractive international industrial complex.

626
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: That's what Eisenhower warned us about, the N one. And

627
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: it's much bigger than police. It is an industrial system

628
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: of capital extracting wealth from people and communities around the planet.

629
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Like and that's the story of imperialism. And so policing

630
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: is like one face of a hydra. And I'm very

631
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: adamant in my policy recommendations and you know, the policy

632
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: I aimed to effectuate as a legislature, as a legislator

633
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: to deal not merely with the task, but to dismantle

634
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: the elephant, the elephants of the GOP, the elements of imperialism,

635
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: the elephants of social control, whether from corporate sources or

636
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: government sources. Policing is absolutely the tip of the sphere.

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00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the tusk is a good metaphor there, but

638
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot more behind it, and I'm adamant to

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Speaker 1: get at all of it. Yeah, I found really interesting

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Speaker 1: that UM among calls to defund the police nationwide. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, Bernie Sanders hasn't like necessarily gotten behind that,

642
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: but has put forward legislation to to fund the Pentagon

643
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: by ten percent and redistribute that fundamed communities. I think

644
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: that is making that link between the broader industrial complexes

645
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: that we're dealing with with that that tie into militarization

646
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: and social control. And I know that you yourself have

647
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: also UM joined this call to to fund the Pentagon,

648
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: and I wanted to see if you could talk to

649
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: us a little bit about why. Yeah, the two absolutely connect.

650
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: It's micro and mac. You know, the policing is the

651
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: part of the military industrial complex that we see. The

652
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: Pentagon is the part of the military industrial complex that

653
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: we project and especially now in a time of pandemic

654
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: and economic collapse. Knowing how crucial is the need to

655
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: establish universal healthcare doesn't just put your neighbors at risk

656
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: when they can't get their medicine. It puts us alid.

657
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: Looks like, we need medicine, we need doctors. We need

658
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: cost not to be an impeditt We need to keep

659
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: people in their owns, We need rent mortgages not to

660
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: be an impediment. Right. I mean that we're going to

661
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Speaker 1: have a wave of evictions and homelessness if we don't

662
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: do something to keep people in their homes. If we

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00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: play out the tape, and you know, presume for the

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Speaker 1: moment that we managed to hold the pandemic at bay

665
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: long enough to develop a vaccine or herder immunity, then

666
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: of course climate to the hystrophe remains looming. If we

667
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: are to see brighter days on any of these fronts,

668
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: if we are to survive them, we have to put

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Speaker 1: something other than profit at the center of our calculus.

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, I see in the rented mortgage

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00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: crisis and the failure of corporate democrats to support for

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Speaker 1: MS in Silhana Mars proposal to cancel rents and mortgages,

673
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: and and provide government support for small landlords so that

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Speaker 1: they also don't have to bear the burden of this crisis,

675
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: but to make sure that housing costs fall where they

676
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: can be most easily shouldered, particularly on banks and corporate landlords,

677
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: which we have bailed out before. So you know it

678
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. But you can't find a corporate democrats

679
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: see yeah, um, as well as you've fought for I

680
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: guess you could say civil digital rights, digital civil rights

681
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: for twenty years both US constitutional lawyer and it is

682
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: part of the Electronic front Frontier Foundation. And in our

683
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: co Intel pro episode we talked a bit about digital

684
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: safety while protesting, highlighting that people you know might come

685
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: prepared for tear gas or bring water, but they might

686
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: forget what risk there are with like facial recognition software

687
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: other in forms so veilance to control. So what do

688
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: you like, how would you define our digital civil liberties

689
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: and how have you fought to protect them as well

690
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: as what work remains to be done? Right, So, digital

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00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: civil liberties there are sort of the idea of keeping

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00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: ourselves safe in spaces even as we move into digital spaces,

693
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: right So, and and frankly, the whole in the bucket

694
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: when I talk about digital civil liberties as we're losing

695
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: civil liberties in other than the non digital arena. So

696
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: I think of them expansively as like kind of like

697
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: again like progressivism and libertarianism or flip sides of the people.

698
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: It's like liberties in my mind. But there's a whole

699
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: bunch of people who are particularly concerned about one part

700
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: of that, which is the liberties online. And you know

701
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: the threat vectors, there are plenty. Unfortunately, corporate platforms do

702
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: everything from spy on their users to constrain what they see,

703
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: often very arbitrarily, without any motive in the due process.

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Speaker 1: I actually had an interdu taming down my YouTube and

705
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: Google subsidiary about two maybe three months ago. I did

706
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: an interview with an independent journalist Anymore and I to

707
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: hear with and it's it's it's even crazier when you

708
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: consider the subject matter, because what we were talking about

709
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: was how the mainstream press was not covering the congressional

710
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: attempts to railroad and other extension of the Patriot Act

711
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: government surveillance powers through Congress, and how it wasn't drawing

712
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: press attention. So we do this interview YouTube takes it

713
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: down within ten minutes of it hitting the web, right,

714
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: he didn't record a local copy of it, so it

715
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: was gone effectively. So that's a corporate platform. So they

716
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: never told you what the reason was. We suspect because

717
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: this was early in the pandemic and there were you know,

718
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: there was a lot of concern about fake news relating

719
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: to it, and we did talk about the coronavirus stimulus

720
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: packages and my critique of corporate democrats and their privileging

721
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: corporate interests and you know, some of the same issues

722
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about now. So the theory is that saying

723
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: the words COVID or coronavirus basically triggered some other, right,

724
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: So it's we don't think it's and this is the

725
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: danger when we talk about digital civil liberties. Maybe here's

726
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: the thing that makes it digital. It's less the concern

727
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: about censorship by a sensor within afarious intent, which is

728
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: still a real thing, just to be clear. But what

729
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: we're really concerned about a censorship by algorithm there where

730
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: there's no one making the decision at all, you know,

731
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: And and that's a good metaphor for capitalism. Capitalism is

732
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: like computers, here, it's a thing and mechanism to be

733
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: built to try to facilitate something that has gotten off

734
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: its leash, that's run a month, that is now calling

735
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: the shots. You know, capital is supposed to be a

736
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: thing that facilitates exchange, maybe a way to better more

737
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: efficiently out of a resources. But when capital attains a

738
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: gravity of its own such that our democratic processes sort

739
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: of it instead of our communities, we have a problem,

740
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: a pretty severe problem because it inevitably, whether through a

741
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: pandemic or the grinding gears of a military industrial complex

742
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: or paramilitary police, it leaves people dead. And to wait, yeah, yeah, um,

743
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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the George

744
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: Floyd Justice and Policing Act. Um do you think there's

745
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: any wins for the movement here? And um, where, if

746
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: anywhere does it fall short? And I guess for listeners

747
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: who might not be um familiar with the George Floyd

748
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: and Just Justice and Policing Act, like, what is it? Right?

749
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: This is the bill that the House passed recently. I've

750
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: been quite critical of it and the theater surrounding it,

751
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: but I do want to acknowledge the parts of it

752
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: that are worth praising and you're right to just invite

753
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: sort of parsing it because it is a very multi

754
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: component measure. So for the better part of twenty years

755
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: have been advocating measures, including the Undracial Programming Act, which

756
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: corporate Democrats have never supported. Parts of it are included

757
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: in the Justice and Policing Act. Other things that we've

758
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: proposed for years, including any qualified immunity and creating a

759
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: violent registry of violent police, they're also included in the

760
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: Justice and Policing Act. And I'm grateful to corporate Democrats,

761
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: including Nancy Pelosi, for fighting off parts of our platform.

762
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: I wish they did it sooner. I'm glad they finally

763
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: showed up. The bill has yet to become laws, still

764
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: has to pass the Senate and be signed by a

765
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: president into law, so just to locate where it's out

766
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: in the process, A critical cynical view of the passage

767
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: of the law through the House might suggest that because

768
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: the Senate will pass it, it was politically cheap for

769
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: the House to do it. There was no cost they

770
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: have to pay because it can't become policy as long

771
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: as the Senate is constituted as it is, right, So

772
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: that's that's a cynical view of the passage of it.

773
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: Another cynical view of the passage of it is the

774
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: theater surrounding it, which was Nancy Pelosi and the entire

775
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: Democratic leadership kneeling in traditional West African barb reserved for

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00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: royals on the House floor. After having legislated for a

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00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 1: generation the measures that created this crisis, from the Crime

778
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: Bill to the measures that allowed the transfer of military

779
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: equipment to local police, to the serial funding requests by

780
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice that then fund local police whether

781
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: or not they comply with civil rights. Each of these

782
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: active measures by Congress have built the problem that they're

783
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: now showing up to claim to care about, and just

784
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: to get into the last party of question around what

785
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: were the parts of the bill that fell short? And

786
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: and frankly, there's one particular part of it that is

787
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: actively harmful and I want to dig in on that

788
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: in terms of falling short. What the bill does not do,

789
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: and you mentioned Senator Sanders also has yet to support

790
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: casts a defund police. That is the community demand. And

791
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: the reason we're demanding that is because we have been

792
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: through this too many damn times. We are tired of

793
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: saying their names the time for commissions is over. There

794
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: have been commissions, there have been proposals. We are done.

795
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: We know that that community safety is undermined by police.

796
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: What we need public safety. The way to get public safety,

797
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: and too many communities is to remove the publicly subsidized

798
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: threat in our communities and then the military agents of

799
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: the state who murder arbitrarily with immunity. And just to

800
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: get into that next part about what in the bill

801
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: is actively unharmful. Beyond failing to defund police, the Justice

802
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: and Policing Act also inflates police budgets by trying to

803
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: create a national mandate for police body which do not

804
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: help civil rights. Police body cameras are a corporate bait

805
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: and switch. You cannot get accountability through a body camera,

806
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: both because the most it even offers, even if they're

807
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: always on, and even if we always got the footage,

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00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: the most it offers is the officer's perspective of a

809
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: particular set of incidents. It doesn't give you transparency into

810
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: an incident, just an officers perspective. It doesn't give you

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00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: transparency into patterns or practices or what the officers doing

812
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: out of the field of view. And it doesn't give you.

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00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: This is the key accountability. Even if a body camera

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00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: gave you transparency into the entire setting, which a dash cam. Yeah,

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00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: it was just about to say. It strikes me that

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00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: usually it's the dash cam they captured stuff like that

817
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: when you see videos. Dash cams are helpful because they

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00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: capture the officer in contact. Bodycams are not because they don't.

819
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: And in any case, even with all the tools, whichever

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00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's dash cams or body camps, and

821
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: too many cases, the problem is the law not transparency.

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00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: When we say George Floyd's name or Eric Garner's name,

823
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: we are remembering people who were killed on video that

824
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: we have all seen hundreds of millions of people happening

825
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: exactly and it didn't put anybody in prison, right The

826
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: only person from Eric Garner's scene who went to prison

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Speaker 1: was the man holding the camera, Ramsey Taga, I think,

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00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: isn't uh. And the idea that that transparency is going

829
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: to equal accountability presumes that the law actually works, and

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00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: the only way the law works is to insulate power

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Speaker 1: from accountability, and ending qualified immunity is a big part

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00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: of this. So that's part of the justice and policing Act,

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00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: which is frankly, uh, you know, I'm among the things

834
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Speaker 1: I'm grateful for. This last most recent and continuing wave

835
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: of popular mobilization for doing is expanding the popular consciousness

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00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: around when we say defund police, when we say end

837
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: qualified immunity. These are proposals, you know, I proposed defunding policing,

838
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: ending qualified immunity in twenty een. These are proposals the

839
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Movement for Black Lives study We've all been saying, but

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00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: only recently have they become embraced by institutional actors, by

841
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: casual observers of the movement. And I think the public

842
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: education that the movement has done, particularly around issues like

843
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: ending qualify and im like defunding police, is driving the

844
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: legislative agenda. And I say, you know, the future is

845
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: this simple. You're either on the train with our communities

846
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: or you're not. You're in the way, and we're going

847
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: to take your seats. It's that simple, show up for

848
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: our communities. We're going to show you the door. And

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Speaker 1: I aim to be a vehicle and agent of that

850
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: transition in a particularly pivotal seat because of who is

851
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: occupying and it has occupied for the last three years.

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Speaker 1: Has the campaign that you're on seen any sort of

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Speaker 1: boosting attention since Bernie dropped out hugely, So I've been

854
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: amazing a lot more often our Bernie grief having to

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Speaker 1: put those dollars. Thank you for this report. It makes

856
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Speaker 1: a huge difference in you know, as soon as we

857
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: won the primary, I knew that there would be a

858
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Speaker 1: because we now have a foot in the door until November,

859
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: and I knew that there would be a point and

860
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: the cycle where more and more eyes would be turning

861
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: to us, if only because the field would be narrowing

862
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: and we'd be one of the last of the Mohicans

863
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Speaker 1: for our movement on the field in this cycle. I

864
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: had hoped certainly to be running on the ticket behind Bernie,

865
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Speaker 1: because our nation needs his vision now more than ever,

866
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Speaker 1: and because frankly, I would rather my time in Washington

867
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Speaker 1: be about building a brighter future rather than trying to

868
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Speaker 1: stave off the worst parts of our predatory paths. But

869
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Speaker 1: you know, be that as it may. When Bernie suspended

870
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Speaker 1: his campaign, I think a lot of people around the

871
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: country we're looking for opportunities to vindicate our movement and

872
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: still advance the principles that we all share in the

873
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: not REOs movie, and I am incredibly humble, grateful for

874
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: frankly just astounded by be what's happened. I mean, I'm

875
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: auditioning for a chance to represent a city in Congress,

876
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: and at the same time, without frankly any design or

877
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: even idea that this was a possibility, I stumbled into

878
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be one of the voices representing a movement.

879
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: And again, I'm just grateful for the chance to play

880
00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: that role, and really great full to all the people

881
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: around the country we've been blocking to our campaign. We

882
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: now have. I think we're right around twenty five thousand

883
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: donors across the country, which for a congressional campaign challenge. Now,

884
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean we're raising as much money sometimes there have

885
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: been days recently where we've raised as much as in

886
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: a day as it took me a month to raise.

887
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: And I got as many votes as are Consing and

888
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: Cortes did after three months in the race, and I've

889
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: got four times since then. And we've been building this

890
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: campaign pretty dramatically and it's you know, reflecting in ways

891
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't even again when I started out, I

892
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: didn't even understand where possible. And yeah, I'm looking very

893
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: much forward to the next three months into the my

894
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: first term in Congress after removing Nancy. So what does

895
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: winning look like to you, like in terms of the

896
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Speaker 1: coalition you need to build and the outreach that's left

897
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Speaker 1: to do. So, the folks at the core of the

898
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Speaker 1: coalition include the progressive social movements of San Francisco, so

899
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Speaker 1: the immigrant rights community, the movement that's been very active

900
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: and resisting police islands, the movement for a Global peace

901
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: and justice, the civil liberties, digital civil liberties. These are

902
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: all very much core parts of our coalition. Other parts

903
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: of our coalition include artists, countercultural community that recognizes the

904
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: co optation of our hopes and dreams by an establishment.

905
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: They include um beyond immigrant rights like immigrants communities of

906
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: various pieces, and so this is one among the parts

907
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: of the coalition we really need to more solidify. Include

908
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: Chinese speaking immigrant communities. We have a very robust and

909
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: active Spanish language outreach program, so that's also building UM.

910
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: The gay community in San Francisco is something of a

911
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: political kingmaker, and I've done a lot of work defending

912
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: gay rights and the primary uh the parts of the

913
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Speaker 1: city where the lgbt Q community are most concentrated did

914
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: support Pelosi far in a way. I think that's driven

915
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: by a false impression that she is resisting Trump when

916
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: it actually does so much to advance Republican policies. And

917
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: so a big part of our work is cracking that

918
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Speaker 1: impression and educating many of our neighbors about how we

919
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: are actually representing in Congress and what Polo season record

920
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: actually looks like. It's one reason why I'm so eager

921
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Speaker 1: to have a debate with her. But she hasn't debated anyone.

922
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, but you know, she hasn't debated anyone

923
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: in thirty years. So is she going to show up

924
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: for work now? I would certainly hope so, But you know,

925
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Speaker 1: ultimately it's up to what news organization to CNN going

926
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Speaker 1: to like do its job or not. Is the chronicle

927
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Speaker 1: going to make it happen. She can decline our invitations,

928
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: she can decline. She's already declined KPF as well. She's

929
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Speaker 1: refused to respond to it. So that's that's her emo.

930
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Speaker 1: She just doesn't show up. If I debated her house,

931
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Speaker 1: A bunch of groups brought me to her house this weekend,

932
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: set up a chair outside her house, asked her a

933
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Speaker 1: bunch of questions, particularly about the military budget. She wasn't

934
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Speaker 1: there to answer them, and then they enemy the microphone

935
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Speaker 1: and indicated that she wants to participate in debate at

936
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Speaker 1: all um her I think her only indication. I think

937
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: she would regard this race as basically a threat to

938
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Speaker 1: her to ever acknowledge the only acknowledgement I've ever heard,

939
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Speaker 1: You're gonna like this. I woke up one morning to

940
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Speaker 1: read in the New York Times that Christine Pelosi, Nancy's daughter,

941
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Speaker 1: who they want to give the c to after Nancy retires,

942
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Speaker 1: to then wield it for another generation. Christine's on the

943
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Speaker 1: d n C, she apparently has recorded in the New

944
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Speaker 1: York Times, had called Bernie Sanders to complain that Susan

945
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: Sarandon had endorsed me. And the Times article didn't name me,

946
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: It just depicted this saga about what right, And I tweeted,

947
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, if you all are so concerned

948
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: about actresses in Los Angeles endorsing my campaign in San

949
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: Francisco to represent our city in Washington, D C, why

950
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: can't you just instead of calling Bernie Sanders in Washington

951
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: and it being reported in New York. Just show up

952
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: for the damn debate. It's not defend your position, it's

953
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: just entitlement, you know. And the whole situation weeks of

954
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: entitlement to me. So when you ask me, like, you know,

955
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: will she show up for debate? What's her attitude of

956
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: the race? I mean, as far as they're concerned, I

957
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: think like they own the seat and it's that simple,

958
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm just a usance. If the conditions

959
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 1: of stuff have them in a position where they don't

960
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: have to even engage in a debate for thirty years,

961
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: that's that's not democracy at all. And I think, you know,

962
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: the conditions now are very different. I think the conditions

963
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: now are very are such that they probably can't survive

964
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: ducking a debate, like how can And this is the

965
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: ultimate question, not just for the people of San Francisco,

966
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: for our news media, but I think our democracy were

967
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: large is can the leader of the opposition party actually

968
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: get away with keeping a criminal president in office and

969
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: doing everything she can to advance his criminal agenda while

970
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: mouthing resistance on television? Like is anyone going to call

971
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: her on that? And like I'm calling her on that,

972
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: But it's a journalists in particular, I would just say

973
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: for the sake of news media as an institution. And

974
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying this part particularly in the context of a

975
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: criminal president waging an outright assault on their profession. And like,

976
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, given that you have a right wing ideologue

977
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: deriving the press as telling fake news, you have a

978
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: corporate defender in the supposed opposition party who refuses to

979
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: actually demonstrate in meaning any of the words that she's saying.

980
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: So you have to two very powerful oligarchs, real estate

981
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: tycoons born with silver spoons in their mouths, to powerful

982
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: East Coast families basically governing by theater, trading illustrations with

983
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: smoke and mirrors. And that's what the press has been

984
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: reduced to reporting on to the American people. And I

985
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: would like to just offer a little bit of truth

986
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: in that equation if anybody can tolerate. I'm assured that

987
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: whoever wins the White House in the next term, I'm

988
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: going to be fighting them from the left, because it's

989
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: just a matter of you know, which racist misogynists with

990
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: a history of promoting belligerent international conflict is the one

991
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to be charged to fund and I'm eager

992
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah. Well, I got two final questions for you.

993
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: The first um, you are on a podcast called Waiting

994
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: on Reparations, and so I feel like we have to ask,

995
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts of reparations fully legit? I mean,

996
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: there have been four centuries of theft from an entire

997
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: set of people. I would like to see reparations effectuated

998
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: through a set of measures that particularly address dynastic wealth.

999
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: So my first law of your article. In two thousand,

1000
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: I wrote a paper about ways to advance economic equality

1001
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: through a market framework, and inheritance in particular violates and

1002
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: market framework. If you think about a market distribution norm,

1003
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: that's about theoretically distribution according to productivity, but it's decidedly

1004
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: not distribution according to birth. That's a feudal norm, not

1005
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: a market norm. So if we disaggregate feudal him from capitalism,

1006
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: there's a huge opportunity to shake loose a massive accumulated

1007
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: pool of resources that have basically been siphoned off the table.

1008
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: There's a French economists many years later, about five years ago,

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00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: Thomas Picketty who wrote a book Capital, establishing empirically that

1010
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: the rate of return on capital exceeds the rate of

1011
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: increase in productivity growth, meaning that fortunes accumulate over time,

1012
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: and the accumulations of fortunes basically deprived the economies that

1013
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: they're siphoning resources out of. So and a trusts and

1014
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: estates policy that claused back from dynastic fortunes the funds

1015
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: that could get redistributed through a reparations process could be

1016
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: one interesting way to get there. I think there are,

1017
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, interesting ways to get there in terms of

1018
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: like tax amnesties that we could consider, you know, like

1019
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: what would four centuries of tax amnesties of of a

1020
00:55:55,120 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: federal tax amnesty for black entrepreneurs and wage earners look like. No,

1021
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: but like there's lots of creative ways to to to

1022
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: synthesize what reparations might look like. At the very least,

1023
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: we need to move forward. There is a proposal for

1024
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: a formal commission to propose potential structures, and I want

1025
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: to see that. I really like the idea of a

1026
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: tax amnesty because you know, the predictable responses always you know,

1027
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: how do we pay for it? And in this context

1028
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: and size steps that problem and says, well, you know,

1029
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of neat waste and elegant ways

1030
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: to address to establish criticisms that I think, yeah, critics

1031
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: haven't even needed to grapple with because we haven't synthesized. Yeah,

1032
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: they think that how you're gonna pay for it is

1033
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: the end of the conversation, and really it's the beginning

1034
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: of a conversation that fos have already been having. Well,

1035
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen in the last three months that

1036
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: if they want to come up with ship ton of money,

1037
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: they can pretty quickly. I think it's been really eye

1038
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: opening for a lot of the public. Yeah, definitely, right,

1039
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: another just creative way here that we can do some remixing,

1040
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: you don't try to Reflecting on your earlier question, think

1041
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: about equity licensing schemes in the cannabis industry. If we

1042
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: legalize cannabis at the federal level and say that enterprises

1043
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: can only be of a certain size unless they're black owned, like,

1044
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: that's a way to effectuate reparations that that doesn't involve

1045
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: any public expenditure, you know, it's it's using a license

1046
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: or to effectually and effectively put in place like a

1047
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, a what in another another era we might

1048
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: have written off as a fermative action and you know

1049
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: all the things that it became subject to politically, like

1050
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: reparations are an opportunity to revisit that conversation in the

1051
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: way they could be more sustainable polity. And my final question,

1052
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: any music recommendations for the people always public enemy and uh,

1053
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: they've got this new tour with Rage Profits of Rage,

1054
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: which digging on that, highly recommend it. I actually had

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Speaker 1: a friend Obey, who performed with them, so that it

1056
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: was cool. Yeah, that must be a fierst brother to

1057
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: have the like with those folks. That's yeah, I should

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00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: I should share while I'm on your show that one

1059
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: of my dreams is to be endorsed by Chuck d

1060
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: tom Morello. Actually I'm the first politician he's ever endorsed.

1061
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: The endorsed eighteen. That's pretty proud of that m But

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00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck, somebody along been inspired by any number

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Speaker 1: of mcs. But just in terms of other recommendations, there's

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Speaker 1: a house producer by the name of Ross Couch who

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Speaker 1: puts out some just beautiful music that would often some

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Speaker 1: very visionary lyrical samples and vocalists. He seems to know

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Speaker 1: curate that there's one track I've been spinning. I played

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Speaker 1: the other day and almost square the one I'm the

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Speaker 1: kind of chance to play recently that just took me back.

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Speaker 1: It's The Shaman is a British group from like the

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Speaker 1: late eighties or only nineties. They have this track move

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Speaker 1: any Mountain that to me is very um. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If I had an anthem for our campaign, that would

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Speaker 1: be it. And you know, I remember hearing this track.

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Speaker 1: It was like on the desk or when I was

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Speaker 1: like seventeen eighteen, and you know, maybe it's been ringing

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Speaker 1: in my head for twenty years, but I do feel

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Speaker 1: very firmly that we used people can in fact move

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Speaker 1: any mountain, and that is exactly what we're going to do. Well,

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Speaker 1: how do people help you? Movies, mountains, show head, tell

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Speaker 1: them how to stay in touch with your campaign? Good

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Speaker 1: looking out Folks can visit us online. Our website is

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Speaker 1: shaw Hit for Change dot us. We're also on all

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Speaker 1: of the major social media platforms Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Twitch,

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Speaker 1: YouTube at shaw Hit for Change awesome. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on. It's been wonderful campaign. We're

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Speaker 1: rooting for you. Thanks y'all, I appreciate it. You have

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Speaker 1: super fun conversation. I wish I had I had more

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Speaker 1: chances to have exchanges like this, and I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: bringing me on. Alright, we'll have a good night. Hey,

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Speaker 1: when you're whenever you're thinking about picking up the you

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Speaker 1: know the mike again, you know, holler at us. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll throw down some verses right on, right down with that.

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Speaker 1: Let's make that happen. We got this sound truck out

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Speaker 1: so we can bump right exactly. Well, ship, it ain't

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Speaker 1: nothing too but to do it, I mean, we're all here.

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Speaker 1: We got to beat yo. Let's get a beep going.

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Speaker 1: Let's do this hey hey yeah, heah a wait in

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Speaker 1: the reparations, we did it in Minnesota. We did it

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Speaker 1: up in the front and in November, we're sending another

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Speaker 1: member of the squad to go representatives in Congress. Remember

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Speaker 1: the name of shot but Todd. When you go to

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Speaker 1: the dropping option in the ballot box. We finished the

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Speaker 1: funder panagon and put it in the medica. We're all

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Speaker 1: I'm making sure what Todd. Let's get to go to college.

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Speaker 1: Quarter pop every heap of godless within New wa Less,

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Speaker 1: excuse up and really live, honest people who promised you

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Speaker 1: for people over profit. But now we got it for

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Speaker 1: the lawyer artists advocate. You can't it. Get your head up, Congress,

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Speaker 1: yoga bullshit, open us to know what can breathe this

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Speaker 1: mask on. Don't approach me when I go in the street.

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Speaker 1: I'm a beast. Where the host or I'm roasting a beat.

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Speaker 1: You want some hold to believe the vote Shaheed never

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Speaker 1: seems the way we go wins holding like no escape.

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Speaker 1: And that's why the big homie is going against the grain.

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Speaker 1: But wait, because if we all get Pelosi to go

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Speaker 1: to fake, he'll expose make resistance. Mostly it's just a fake.

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Speaker 1: I don't give a funk with nobody saying you better

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Speaker 1: go out and play. I read books. I ain't voting

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Speaker 1: for you over the day. I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: they're trying to beat. Got a nigger feeling like the

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Speaker 1: last of a dying breathe. Whish I was a little

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Speaker 1: bit taller, Wish I was a baller, then I could

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Speaker 1: get tested for corona. But I'm not so that you're

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Speaker 1: gonna accept I be a Ghana. That's why I'm smoking

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Speaker 1: so much. Merrijauna on your Hey, my name is dope

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Speaker 1: knife Franca we are waiting reparations. See you next week.

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