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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Morning, everybody's stej env Charlamagne the God. We

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Speaker 2: are the Breakfast Club. We got our special guests, host

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Speaker 2: you know, and I'm so glad you had. You brought

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Speaker 2: your Hampton University bag with you. Today we have doctor

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Speaker 2: Alfi Brelando. But welcome, good morning, really, thank you for

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling? I'm good?

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Speaker 3: Fresh?

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Speaker 1: What did y'all?

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Speaker 3: Says Black and hollyday you go? We fresh off the

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Speaker 3: third Annual Mental Wealth Expo.

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Speaker 1: How did that go?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: My god? Like I wasn't there, but it was phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: One of the highlights for me was at the end

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Speaker 1: when you took the video of all the people out

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Speaker 1: really there for those thousands of people who showed up

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Speaker 1: to get some healing and get some positive energy from

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Speaker 1: you and all your celebrity friends and the influencers and

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Speaker 1: just so many good words. Michelle Williams's words stand out

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Speaker 1: to me. Alive. She was just phenomenal. So I think

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Speaker 1: it was highly successful. Each year gets bigger and better,

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Speaker 1: and it was a joy and an honor to be there.

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Speaker 2: Now let's talk about the weather too, because the weather

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Speaker 2: was disgusting and people still showed up in that weather.

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Speaker 2: That shows how much people really needed it and wanted it.

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Speaker 1: They needed, they wanted. I think everybody appreciates shar as

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Speaker 1: a black man coming out and talking about his own

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Speaker 1: mental health and his own journey and having people like

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Speaker 1: Carson Daley. I don't want to name check everybody, but

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Speaker 1: you know, to meek A Mallory, all these amazing people

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Speaker 1: and transparent. You know. So the people really came out

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Speaker 3: Y'all always say, you know, the thing I love about

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Speaker 3: event and learn early what I learned late, and also

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Speaker 3: say I want this to be the start of somebody's

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Speaker 3: healing journey. So what would be the next steps for

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Speaker 1: Health I think, first of all, what I was telling

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Speaker 1: If you went to the workshops, the breakout rooms, and

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Speaker 1: have some ideas about where your journey can go next. Right,

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Speaker 1: So following up with some of those folks, like the

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Speaker 1: Just following up. And the other thing I will say

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Speaker 4: See, I'm disappointed that I wasn't invited to participate. I'm

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Speaker 4: in therapy. I'm happier now. You walk in with a

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Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful, and I do think it helps you,

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Speaker 3: I do think it makes you happier if you do

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Speaker 2: Now we're talking to doctor Alfie Breelan Noble. What do

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Speaker 2: Jason Lee's Hollywood Unlock. And the reason I asked is,

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Speaker 2: you see the Breakfast Club reporting something, or you see

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Speaker 4: Well, let's just say when we see Tyres and them

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Speaker 4: We've been promoted too because we talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We discussed those things. Okay ya breaks, We're gonna be real.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep it real. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: But that's my journey. For other people, they don't know

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: And you look at Britney Spears dancing with them little

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Speaker 4: It means like you put this out here for public consumption.

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Speaker 3: But what is that opinion though, Because if you're doing

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Speaker 2: Yes, Now this weekend with the Mental Wealth Alliance, the

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Speaker 3: doctor Alfre Brilando. Will you run Mental Wealth Alliance, but

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Speaker 3: you also run your coma projects because you tell them

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Speaker 3: tell us the mission of the Mental Wealth Alliance as

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Speaker 3: well as the OCMA Project.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so I'm going to shout out my senior executive

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Speaker 1: Liaison Lexifield, who's in here with me with from their

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Speaker 1: COMA Project and the ECOMA Project is a mental health

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Speaker 1: and changing the system of mental health for youth and

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Speaker 1: young adults of color. What makes us unique is a

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Speaker 1: couple of things. One is we are intentional and unapologetic

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Speaker 1: it's nothing wrong with the white kids need support too,

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Speaker 3: You know. So that Black Men's panel was phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Was awesome and we appreciate you for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Donate to the COMA Project and Mental wealth Lines now

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Speaker 1: So you go to mental Health Lines dot org all

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Speaker 3: More question tomorrow's World Mental Health? They Yeah, what should

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Speaker 2: All right, So when we come back, Jaconly, you got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry about this Kelevin Gates spinning somebody's mouth and

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Speaker 2: doctor Alfie Breling, Noble List. His club good Morning Room

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