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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen

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Speaker 1: and I am the host as always, and joining me

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Speaker 1: is the recently married Tyler Shune. Tyler, what's up man?

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Speaker 1: I hope you had a really good weekend, because I

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Speaker 1: sure did.

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Speaker 2: They say it, and it's true, the best day of

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Speaker 2: your life. I don't know how many perfect days I've

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Speaker 2: ever had. That was a perfect day, best day of

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Speaker 2: my life. We've been talking about it, reminiscing, crying, cheering, laughing,

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Speaker 2: it's just been It was a great day. It was

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Speaker 2: a perfect day and I'm glad you were there to

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Speaker 2: celebrate it with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great time. The venue where you

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Speaker 1: guys got married, Wayfarers Chapel. Cannot recommend it enough. It's

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Speaker 1: gorgeous up there in palace very days, right in the hills.

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Speaker 1: So if you've got a wedding coming up, I cannot

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Speaker 1: recommen and that venue enough. It was a great time

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Speaker 1: and obviously got to spend the day with with Tyler

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Speaker 1: celebrating his marriage. So sometimes you send a random message

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Speaker 1: on Twitter to some guy and then six years later

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Speaker 1: your groomsman in his wedding. You know, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a great thing to look back on.

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Speaker 2: Been six years, Steven, Yes, it's been six years.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, so you know, you know it was it

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Speaker 1: was a great weekend to reflect back on how far

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Speaker 1: Todd and I have come. And you know, we've got

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Speaker 1: our first training camp coming up in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks here, uh covering the Chargers for the Chargers shows,

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Speaker 1: so that should be a lot of fun as well,

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Speaker 1: and UH excited to dive into today's show where we're

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Speaker 1: going to be covering the biggest preseason or in training

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Speaker 1: camp position battles of that the Chargers are going to

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Speaker 1: have to solve this time around. So we've talked a

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Speaker 1: little bit about here and there about certain players fitting

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Speaker 1: into certain roles. Today we're going to dive into, you know,

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Speaker 1: these big position battles that are coming up. Who might

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Speaker 1: have the edge, who might fit the scheme better with

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and and Derek Ansley, the changes of the

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Speaker 1: Chargers have made from the coaching staff standpoint, and then

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Speaker 1: we're gonna pick a winner of who's gonna do who's

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Speaker 1: gonna do the best in the training camp, in the

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Speaker 1: preseason So we did this last year on our own channel,

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Speaker 1: and we're excited to get back to it this year. Tyler,

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Speaker 1: what's up, man? How are you excited about this?

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited training This is the last episode before

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Speaker 2: it's the week of training camp when sort of real

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Speaker 2: football can finally begin. So I'm excited. I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to be one wrong in all of these, but it's

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Speaker 2: still exciting to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, last year we had a bit of a mixed bag,

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Speaker 1: but we got some of them right, you know. Uh,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens this year. Obviously, training camp

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Speaker 1: is is right around the corner. Super excited for that.

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Speaker 1: I've been watching the Quarterback series on Netflix and listening

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Speaker 1: to play callers the from the Athletics, So it's been

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Speaker 1: a nice ramp up to the real meat of football season,

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Speaker 1: which is starting the next couple of weeks, and I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to get to it. As always, before we dive

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Speaker 1: in today's show, Tyler and I are fans of the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: just like you guys are. We are independent content creators

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Speaker 1: for the Chargers. We are not Chargers employees, and as such,

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Speaker 1: the opinions that we share on today's show and every

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Speaker 1: show are not always reflective of the Chargers organization themselves.

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Speaker 1: So you know there's gonna be some evaluations of players

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Speaker 1: today an example, and you know that's not necessarily how

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Speaker 1: necessarily how the team is going to feel. These are

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Speaker 1: our opinions. You know, we do the research, we do

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Speaker 1: the film watch, and we formed these opinions just like

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Speaker 1: you guys do. So yeah, Tyler, that being said, let's

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Speaker 1: dive in here. We have an outline obviously, as we

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Speaker 1: of these specific position battles. I think it's only right

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Speaker 1: that we start with arguably the biggest question mark of

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Speaker 1: any offseason storyline outside of Kellen Moore for the Chargers

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Speaker 1: is what kind of happens at cornerback. For the sake

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Speaker 1: the regular season. So the contenders here, Tyler, who do

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I would say it's obviously a Santa Siamuel

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Speaker 2: I think maybe some Chargers fans believe it is to

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Speaker 2: And in fact I kind of came into this with

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Speaker 1: So we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you can convince me, because these are two guys

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Speaker 2: So depends where you want to go with this. I'll

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Speaker 2: start with a Sante Samuel Junior, who I think I

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Speaker 2: Junior is the better corner and he did finish the

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Speaker 2: Junior is a walking game changing play waiting to happen.

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Speaker 2: say every game is a forcing completion and interception, really

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Speaker 2: as strengths go, I do think that makes him the

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Speaker 2: have those shortcomings. So you're getting Joey Bosa back fantastic,

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Speaker 2: You're going to we'll see how this works out in

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Speaker 2: the end, but you're substituting Necessarior Atterley who retired for

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Speaker 2: better against the run. In my opinion, I think he's

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Speaker 2: So I think you have Eric Hendrick's right coming in

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Speaker 2: I do think there's enough pieces on this Chargers defense

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Speaker 2: I guess a spoiler alert, my current pick for this

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Speaker 2: a very strong argument that I'm sure you can get

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Speaker 1: Sure, I think you did a great job outlining on

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Speaker 1: Santi Samuel's strengths there, and I think, you know, I

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Speaker 1: went back and looked at, you know, my some of

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Speaker 1: Each of us had a high second round grade on

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Speaker 1: Asante Samuel Junior coming in into the league. And I

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Speaker 1: Like you're talking about that ability to be a game

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Speaker 1: because the interceptions that he comes up with are ones

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Speaker 1: create turnovers. That's his strength. That's who we know Asante is.

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Speaker 1: We've seen that time and time again. There's some interceptions

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Speaker 1: we know what Asante is as a cover player. But

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Speaker 1: You know, we can see that in the mistackle rate,

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Speaker 1: Just here Taylor's biggest weakness, I think is just kind

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Speaker 2: I'll bring up a couple more things then I'll officially

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, great problem to have, you know. I

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Speaker 1: This is definitely the biggest, most important position battle in

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Speaker 2: I hope everyone's healthy, and I hope everyone has thirty

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Lots of flexibility this year, hopefully all right.

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Speaker 1: If not for cornerback, Maybe the biggest position battle is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not just picking a lesser of two evils.

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Speaker 2: be completely honest, whatever Ryan Ficken decides to pick, I'm

431
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Speaker 2: happy with because I mean, there was a third kicker

432
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Speaker 2: who was really good for the Chargers last year too,

433
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Speaker 2: Like all three kickers did a great job last season,

434
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Speaker 2: So I mean, you could pick him and I'd say, great,

435
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: that's a great decision, Ryan fick and I'm totally cool

436
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 2: with that. And unfortunately, there's really no tiebreaker for kicks

437
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: of fifty plus because and Dustin Hopkins is about fifty

438
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Speaker 2: to fifty, but he didn't hit one for the Chargers

439
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 2: last season. Then Cameron Dicker is fair had any opportunities

440
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: to hit them, so there's really no tie breaker there either.

441
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: So I guess ultimately this comes down to the fact

442
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: that Dustin Hopkins is twentieth all time in field goal percentage,

443
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 2: has seven hundred and ninety one points scored to his name,

444
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 2: has played in the postseason, has hit both his field

445
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 2: goals in the postseason, and he was the guy that

446
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,719
Speaker 2: the Chargers gave the money to. So he's kind of

447
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: in a way, Ryan fickens guy initially as well. Granted,

448
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 2: maybe he could have come back last season, but Cameron

449
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: Dicker was I mean, they rode to the hot hand

450
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: and he was fantastic the entire rest of the way.

451
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 2: So it's really a coin toss at this point. So

452
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Speaker 2: at this point I just lean experience here and the

453
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Speaker 2: fact that you at least know what you're getting with

454
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Speaker 2: Dustin Hopkins. There might be a bit more you could

455
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: reach with Cameron Dicker, and that's very possible, but I

456
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: think you know what you have with Dustin Hopkins, and Frankly,

457
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: in a season where like this might be it like

458
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: the Chargers need to go win and they need to

459
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: go far in the postseason, they might want to take

460
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Speaker 2: the sure thing that they paid the money to, that

461
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: they know about, rather than someone who's hate to say

462
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: they're unsure about. Because again, Hemer Dicker was fantastic, but

463
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: you just know a bit more about Dustin Hopkins. He

464
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: is a veteran. So I'm leaning that direction. But I'm

465
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Speaker 2: happy with either man.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like another great problem for the Chargers to have.

467
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: Quick shout out to mister Taylor Bertolette, who was the

468
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: third kicker that Tyler mentioned nine for nine on kicks

469
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Speaker 1: for the Chargers last year, although he didn't attempt a

470
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Speaker 1: single field goal over thirty two yards. So yeah, it's

471
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Speaker 1: what it is. But hey, nine for nine kicker off

472
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Speaker 1: the street, We'll take that any day of the week. Yeah,

473
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Speaker 1: this is a really interesting one because you know, financially,

474
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Speaker 1: like I think, we have two very opposite ends of

475
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Speaker 1: the spectrum. Like you're talking about, the Chargers did choose

476
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Speaker 1: to pay Dustin Hopkins last offseason. You know, he was

477
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Speaker 1: awarded a really nice contract, you know, totally potential value

478
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Speaker 1: of nearly ten million dollars. And you know, this is

479
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: a kicker who has a very strong history, like you mentioned,

480
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Speaker 1: one of the more accurate kickers in NFL history. He's

481
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Speaker 1: been there, he's done that. He showed up for the

482
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Speaker 1: Chargers in clutch moments, and you know, there is that

483
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: feeling of comfortability with Dustin Hopkins. There's also the opposite

484
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Speaker 1: end of the financial spectrum where the Chargers are heading

485
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Speaker 1: towards a very you know, cap tight couple of seasons

486
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Speaker 1: with that's even before we get to Justin Justin Herbert's

487
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: contract extension. And if the Chargers can manage to trade

488
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: Dustin Hopkins this during the preseason, they would save two

489
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: point two million dollars this year and four point seventy

490
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Speaker 1: five million dollars next year, and they would have to

491
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Speaker 1: give us they would have to give Cameron Dicker another

492
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Speaker 1: contract after the season. But financially you're saving a good

493
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Speaker 1: amount of money by choosing Cameron Dicker. Camra Dicker obviously

494
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Speaker 1: has to go out and earn it, and I think

495
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Speaker 1: there is some like there's a tiny amount of doubt

496
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Speaker 1: in my head that Cameron Dicker just kind of caught

497
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle this past season for the Chargers,

498
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: no pun intended, and just had a great season under

499
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: a great special teams coach. You know, Ryan Ficken has

500
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: proven to be a really great special teams coach. You know,

501
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: he's working with a former NFL kicker two in Chris Gold.

502
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: So this is really like an ideal situation for a kicker,

503
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy to talk about from a

504
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: Charger fan. This is just kind of what if last

505
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: season was as good as it gets for Cameron Diicker

506
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: and what if we never see him reach last season again.

507
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Speaker 1: So there's there's a tiny bit of doubt in my

508
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: mind towards what version of Cameron Dicker can become. But

509
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Speaker 1: then also a very large part of my brain is thinking, Okay,

510
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Speaker 1: what if Cameron Dicker can be best kicker in the

511
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Speaker 1: league potential? You know, do you want to pass on

512
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Speaker 1: that kind of potential for what you know in Dustin Hopkins.

513
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Speaker 1: So this is a very interesting battle again, very rare

514
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: territory for the Chargers. I'm leaning towards Cameron Dicker. I

515
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Speaker 1: think Cameron Dicker has just something different about him. And

516
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Speaker 1: I know he only got the two chances from fifty plus,

517
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Speaker 1: but I think there's more to his game than what

518
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Speaker 1: he was allowed to show last season. You know, at

519
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Speaker 1: the University of Texas. I believe he hit a fifty

520
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: six yard field goal as a junior and then was

521
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: hitting regularly at the Senior Bowl from fifty plus as

522
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: well in those practices. So I still think you have

523
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Speaker 1: a lot more potential with Cameron Dicker. I think the

524
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Speaker 1: finances just kind of makes it make sense for me.

525
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Speaker 1: But I totally understand why someone would choose Dustin Hopkins

526
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Speaker 1: because you know what you're getting with him, you know

527
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: how the team feels about him, and just like that

528
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Speaker 1: safeness that he brings to the table.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if they go with Cameron Dicker again, I'd be

530
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Speaker 2: happy with that, Totally fine with that. You just, hey,

531
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Speaker 2: bringing back a guy who hit from you know, ninety

532
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Speaker 2: percent plus, you know in his rookie season game winning

533
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Speaker 2: field goals, you name it. Everything was great. You're in

534
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Speaker 2: a you have a luxury here because you have Ryan Ficken,

535
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 2: the ultimate stabilizer here in the same way that we're

536
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: all excited for really any defensive tackle who makes this

537
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: team because they have Jay Rodgers, like, they'll become better

538
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: than they possibly could be, Like their potential will be reached,

539
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: whatever that is, it'll be reached. So if you're going

540
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: to again gambles an oddward to say for a kicker

541
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Speaker 2: who was so good last year, But if you're gonna

542
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: gamble on a guy you don't know as much about,

543
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 2: you're in a great spot to do that. I think

544
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: you're in a fantastic spot to do that. And worst

545
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: case scenario, if things don't work out and he's not

546
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: a great kicker, just go for it on fourth down.

547
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: You know, I'll go for it. Yeah, you got a

548
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: pretty good quarterback, so you know, maybe you can just

549
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: go for on fourth down more.

550
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Again. Very curious to see how

551
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: this one unfolds throughout the season. I think Danga Popper

552
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: reporting that basically both are right neck and neck thus

553
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: far again have not gone to training camp yet, but

554
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: in their limited opportunities. Both kickers have basically performed about

555
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: the same. So it's gonna be interesting to see how

556
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley and Tom Toleasco and company, you know, decide

557
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: to handle this position. All right, Tyler, which position medal

558
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: is your next most interesting one that you want to

559
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: hit here?

560
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: Ooh, I guess RB two. And I'll say that specifically

561
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: because I will walk back my previous comments on a show,

562
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: like the first, second or third episode that we did

563
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: about a certain Isaiah Spiller at winning the job. Now,

564
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: can he win the job? Absolutely? Does Isaiah spill have

565
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: a bright future in this league? Absolutely? Will he do it?

566
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Speaker 2: We'll see. I just think, like I know, Spiller's been

567
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: working with you know, strength and conditioning coaches. He's been

568
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: getting stronger, running faster, he's running routes, He's doing all

569
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: the right things. He's a young guy who you know,

570
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: by all accounts, has done everything he's supposed to to

571
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: become that NFL running back. But I just think we've

572
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: also seen Joshua Kelly take that step forward himself, and

573
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Speaker 2: now he has another off season to work with you know,

574
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Speaker 2: whatever team he worked with last off season to change

575
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: his entire body and the way that he ran the

576
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: football and could run the football. He has another offseason

577
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: to do that, and so I think that and as

578
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: we talked about before, Joshua Kelly could take that Trey

579
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: Pipkins like jump from the twenty twenty one twenty twenty classes.

580
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: I think he's the most prime to do that of

581
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: those classes in terms of making that jump. He isn't

582
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: a contract year. I think what it really came down

583
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: to for me though, is that he just right now

584
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: feels like the better compliment to Austin Eckler. And maybe

585
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: I should have bleed with that a few months ago

586
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: when I made the bold prediction, I guess if Isaiah

587
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: Spiller winning RB two, and that is something I could

588
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: see happening during the season at some point. Joshua Kelly

589
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: hasn't always been healthy for an entire year, so if

590
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: Isaiah Spiller gets that shot, he may never let it go.

591
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: But I think heading into training camp, heading into the season,

592
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: I think it is going to be Joshua Kelly, and

593
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Speaker 2: I think he's going he has to have the best

594
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Speaker 2: year of his career because the running back market's not

595
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: so great right now. If you didn't notice on so

596
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: media today running backs aren't so happy about it. So

597
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: he's got to have the best year of his career

598
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: and I think he's going to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I think it's also important to

600
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: point out here that Austin Eckler, Joshua Kelly, and Larry

601
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: Rantry all free agents after the season, so certainly an

602
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: opportunity for Joshua Kelly to maybe work his way into

603
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: a long term future here with the Chargers. You know,

604
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: obviously anything can happen. Austin Eckler could come back next

605
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: year as well. Let's talk about maybe how these two

606
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: players differentiate for themselves from the other. If you were

607
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Speaker 1: to kind of lean into the Isaiah Spiller take from earlier,

608
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Speaker 1: what would your argument be about Spiller beating out Joshua.

609
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: Kelly outside of health, which I think we'll see. Isaiah

610
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: Spell has not played that much, but he could be

611
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: just a healthy guy, I believe as a pass catcher.

612
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: That's what the Charger I think that's what the Chargers

613
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: were going into to lean into last season. I don't

614
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: really know what happened, because Joshua Colely was kind of

615
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: clearly the RB two last off season and in training camp,

616
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: but then you see Isaiah Spiller on a wheel rile

617
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: on our angle route, working out of the backfield as

618
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: that receiving option. A granted, different offensive coordinator, different scheme, like,

619
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: everything's going to be different. So we'll see what the

620
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: role is for him this year. But I think Isaiah Spiller,

621
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: even from college, he's just a very very good receiving back,

622
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: and that goes beyond just the you know, dump it

623
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: off to the flat type like no. A guy who

624
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: can actually work down the field, beat linebackers, et cetera.

625
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: So I think if there's any way these two differentiate

626
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: themselves or if Isaiah Spiller is able to carve out

627
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: a role and maybe become that RB two, it's as

628
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: a pass catcher. But is that more valuable than Joshua

629
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: Kelly as the runner who can also catch passes as

630
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: we've seen. Not sure.

631
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you pointed that out, and I think

632
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: if you look at the statistics, I think we see

633
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: that bear out as well, both from preseason statistics, you know,

634
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: college statistics, and that's really where again I wanted to

635
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: go back and look, josh Raa. Kelly not afforded a

636
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: ton of pass catching opportunities at UCLA when he was

637
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: given those opportunities. That's certainly not his strong I think

638
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: he can do it. I think he can handle screens.

639
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: I think he can you know, for the most part,

640
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: run some angle routes. But you know, you look at

641
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: his ability as a playmaker after the catch. You know

642
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: that is a weak point of his game and I

643
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: think he would agree with that. And you know, you

644
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: look at the statistics. Isaiah Spiller averaged almost not nine

645
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: yards after the catch per reception in college coming out

646
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: of Texas A and M. His last season in Joshua

647
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: Kelly at UCLA was six point five. And you look

648
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: at this past season, again, limited opportunities for both. Austin

649
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: Eckler is going to get a ton of opportunities as

650
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: a pass catcher, right But you know, Isaiah Spiller on

651
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: his few targets average seven point seven yards after the

652
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: catch and Joshua Kelly was six point five. So again

653
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: limited sample size here, but that's a way that Isaiah

654
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: Spiller can certainly create a role for himself. You know,

655
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler is really the only pass catcher of this backfield,

656
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, even of the young drafted guys, I wouldn't

657
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: necessarily call that a strength for any of them. So

658
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: if you know, Kellen Moore has this idea where we're

659
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna use Austin Eckler Moore as a receiver in terms

660
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: of splitting him out wide, putting him in the slot,

661
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: maybe like Shane Styke in it and all those guys

662
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: used to do back in the day, like he did

663
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: with Tony Pollard last season. Maybe that gives Isaiah Spiller

664
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: some opportunities to you know, get some receptions out of

665
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: the backfield, running some anger routes, running some choice routes,

666
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: wheel routes, whatever the case may be. I think that

667
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: is a way for he for him to you know,

668
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: earn some reps. And I think the other way too,

669
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: is obviously in past protection. I think Austin Eckler is

670
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: incredibly underrated in that regard in the running back survey

671
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: that was done by ESPN that was considered a weakest

672
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: of his And I question whoever said that, what you're

673
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: actually watching with Austin Eckler, because Eckler is to me

674
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: one of the best in the business in pass protection,

675
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: Like he's teach tape in that regard. Joshua Kelly can

676
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: do it, but it's not It's not to that same

677
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: kind of level as what the Chargers have in Austin Eckler,

678
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's a big reason why Eckler was

679
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: kept in the backfield so much last season. So can

680
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: Isaiah Spiller come in show a ton of improvement in

681
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: that specific regard and push Austin Eckler in terms of

682
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: pass protection and say, hey, like, I can handle this

683
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: part of the running back rotation. That gives the charters

684
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: a huge amount of flexibility, and it would allow Isaiah

685
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: Spiller to say, hey, like, I'm a trustworthy pass catcher.

686
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: I can work into pass protection and that's a very

687
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: valuable role for this offense.

688
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: But that's the word I keep hearing, right, and I've

689
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: been saying it. You've been saying it roll. We keep

690
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: saying the word roll. And I think that's where Isaiah

691
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: Spiller might fall this year. Like he'll have a role.

692
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: He should have a role on this team in this

693
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: offense with everything you just talked about. But is that

694
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: role RB two. I don't think so, and I don't

695
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: believe you believe so either. No.

696
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: I do think that Joshua Kelly and his ability on

697
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: the ground is superior at this point. And that's not

698
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: necessarily an indeamond on Isaiah Spiller. I mean, he was

699
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: twenty years old when he was drafted, right, Like the

700
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: charter knew his potential, and they knew that the age

701
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: was to the point where that might take a little

702
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: bit of development. And that's okay, Like players take time

703
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: to develop, like you just mentioned Trey Pipkins. You know,

704
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: maybe Isaiah Spiller just needs some time to adjust to

705
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: the league. Right. But Joshua Kelly, you know, averaged over

706
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: four yards per kerry last season. Last season, he was

707
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: at two point eight yards per contact after or yards

708
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: after contact per attempt, excuse me. And that's a real

709
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: necessity to play behind Austin Eckler because he's going to

710
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: do so many other things that you have to have

711
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: a guy who can give you the tough yards. And

712
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: I think that's more josh Ro Kelly's game than it

713
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: is Isaiah Spillers.

714
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. I would like to transition to

715
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: the safeties now. As someone else from the twenty twenty

716
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: two class. We were sort of messaging back and forth,

717
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: like what do we talk about here for the safety

718
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: battle because I think JT. Woods, at least in my eyes,

719
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: is the default. Safety three could kind of depend you know,

720
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: if one player gets hurt Joan James gets hurt, then

721
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: maybe you could see someone like Rahem Lane and Mark

722
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: Webb or whoever wins it, being that backup box safety type.

723
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: But then again, I think they could just move a

724
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: lowhi Gilman closer to the line of scrimmage and then

725
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: they would have J. T. Woods be the safety three.

726
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: So I think J. T. Woods is kind of the

727
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: safety three by default for now. Does that mean that

728
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: someone cannot beat him in camp? No, I don't think.

729
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: I think it could be wide open, but for now,

730
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: I think he's a default three. So now we're looking

731
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: at safety four and that final spot for the Chargers

732
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: involving another player from twenty twenty two and that class,

733
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: but as an undrafted free agent that's Raheem Lane. You

734
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: have a player from twenty twenty one and Mark Webb.

735
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: I guess you could include aj Finley, who we both

736
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: really liked from Ole Miss as a player to make

737
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: the roster. So as far as the safety four position goes,

738
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: or even safety three, if you want to go that route,

739
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: how do you see that playing out, who do you

740
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: see as the favorite so far?

741
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: I think the favorite has to be Raheem Lane in

742
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: part because of what we've talked about with special team's

743
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: ability and how much Ryan that Can identified him and

744
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: said I need this guy on the roster because of

745
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: what he can do on special teams. That doesn't mean

746
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: he's safe, right, Like, the Chargers need reliable, versatile safeties

747
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: to be able to play this kind of defense. And

748
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, with Derwin James doing so many other things,

749
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: playing as a pass rusher, as a big slot defender,

750
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: as a linebacker, essentially at certain times you have to

751
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: have reliable players behind him. And so I think this

752
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: is we can view this essentially as a wide open race.

753
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: In my opinion, It's all about how these players can

754
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: compliment Derwin James. That's my thought process here too. So

755
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: what kind of bodies do you have in this in

756
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: this defensive backfield, I think is a super important aspect here.

757
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: I think of these three players, I would say that

758
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: aj Finley is probably the best football player overall in

759
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: my opinion, in terms of his ability to you know,

760
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: match coverages and potential interceptions, you know, be a versatile safety.

761
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: But I think his role is maybe a little redundant

762
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: With JT. Woods. I think a J. Finley can play

763
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: in the box, but I don't think it's a strength

764
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: of his So to me, I think a J. Finley

765
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: has an outside chance looking in. But really this is

766
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: Raheem Lane versus Mark Web, because I think both of

767
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: those bring a different level of physicality that the Chargers

768
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: need alongside Derwin James to be able to kind of

769
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: fill in that role whenever Derwin goes up to the

770
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, whenever he's covering in the slot. They

771
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: need a little bit more physicality. And so I like

772
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: AJ Finley the best as a player, but then we

773
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: have to add in special teams, and we also have

774
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: to add in like covering up some areas where Derwin

775
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: James is filling in as well.

776
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: Is I know you said outside looking in, but is

777
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: there really any possibility, Because again, I would I would

778
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: think the player that you drafted as your second pick

779
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: in the draft grandit in the third round, would automatically

780
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: be your de facto starter here. But is there a

781
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: world where someone is not, Like if J. T. Woods

782
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: is not the safety three on this team, is it

783
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: possible that they can't find a way to get him

784
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: to play special teams, which they didn't last season, and

785
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: therefore he's fourth at best or potentially in danger being

786
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: cut man.

787
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: That's I think they would have to get to camp

788
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: and see basically zero improvement for them to move off

789
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: of him that quickly. You know, the Chargers in the

790
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: past when they were down in San Diego certainly cut

791
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: draft picks earlier than that. But I think that they're

792
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: gonna want to give J. T. Woods his chance and

793
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: for him to prove that what he can do alongside

794
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: Derwin James and Lohie Gillman. So I think AJ Finny

795
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: would have to come in and be like very clearly

796
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: or clearly the better player for them to potentially consider

797
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: cutting J. T. Woods. Is that possible? Sure? Like I

798
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: still believe in J. T. Woods's talent. Me too, that

799
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, this is a guy who can come in

800
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: and make an impact like you don't lead college football

801
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: and interceptions and just not be able to figure something out.

802
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: So I think that they'll be able to get the

803
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: most out of him. But I do like AJ Finley

804
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: a lot, and I hope they're at least able to

805
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: keep him around. On the practice squad and who knows.

806
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: They maybe he plays so well that they decide to

807
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: keep him and J T. Woods. You keep five safeties

808
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: instead of four. That's a possibility here as well.

809
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's what I'm kind of wondering too, is do

810
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: you find that you have a problem here, Like we've

811
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: been talking about, there's a couple of problems that the

812
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: Chargers have a couple of spots. Where do you let

813
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: Mark Webb bit the practice squad again? Like he's if

814
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: anybody's watched him in camp, and anyone who's covered him

815
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: or just stopped on and watch Mark web in the

816
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 2: brief moments that he's in camp, but usually about two

817
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: or three weeks or so, and then there's some sort

818
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: of injury. But he's really good. He's an excellent football

819
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: player in camp, And so I could I could see

820
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: a world where they do keep five. Maybe they decide

821
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: that this is a great problem to have. We don't

822
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: exactly have an answer at safety after Drew and James.

823
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: We certainly don't have that next season when Alohi Gilman's

824
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: a free agent. So maybe let's hold onto a couple

825
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: of guys. Let's not keep a linebacker. Let's not keep

826
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: a tight end or something or another running back or whatever.

827
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: Let's try to work through some of these safeties.

828
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, we'll see how this gets

829
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: sorted out in camp. But my pick here is gonna

830
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: be Raheem Lane. I think that might be yours as well.

831
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: But I just think like the element of physicality that

832
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: Raheem Lane brings to the table really makes him stand

833
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: out among this crowd, and the Chargers are gonna need

834
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: that when Derwin James is doing other things, you know,

835
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: around the line of scrimmage and stuff like that. So

836
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: to me, Lane has the inside track. And I think

837
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: part of it is because of special teams, but also

838
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: part of it is just like who he is as

839
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: a football player. I love watching him on special teams.

840
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: I love watching him, you know, defend the run, which

841
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: I think is is kind of a theme of today's

842
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: show too. So I think Rahem Lane is gonna be

843
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: my pick here for safety four, barring a last minute

844
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: veteran signing right, which could also.

845
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: Certainly happen within the coming weeks or so. So yes,

846
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: I agree. Just to clarify safety four, I would say

847
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 2: Raheemlin is a favorite.

848
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Tyler our last one here, we had,

849
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: We had some other ones we consider talking about. But

850
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people are just

851
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: kind of assuming that two Lee two two is going

852
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: to be edge three, and I think he certainly is

853
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: the favorite in that regard, but he's going to have

854
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: to earn it. And Chris Rump certainly showed some flashes

855
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: last season here. What do you make of the battle

856
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: for edge three between Chris Rump and two Lee twe

857
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: Polo two.

858
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you pick an edge rusher in

859
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: the second round to not be the immediate backup to

860
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: your Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack. But as I just

861
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: talked about that, I just watched the Chargers use a

862
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 2: third and fourth round on two players but basically didn't

863
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: play their rookie year. Granted again, Tully's second round pick

864
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: a bit more there. But we've talked about this a

865
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: couple of times, but Chris Rump at this point offers

866
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: more as an experienced rusher who knows how to work

867
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: with the guys in the trenches. We talked about the stats,

868
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 2: you know, Morgan Fox said when I talked to him,

869
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: they got so much better over the course of a

870
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: year because they learned how to work with each other

871
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: on rushes and timing and responsibility. Like they just knew

872
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: unspoken bond and connection with each other on the field

873
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: how to rush a certain way. And you certainly saw

874
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: Chris Rump, Morgan Fox, Kyle van Noy, all these guys

875
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: get better in the second half of the season because

876
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: they figured out how to work with each other. Tuley

877
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: is hey. I thought he was awesome in college, but

878
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 2: he is a rookie who technically wasn't a true edge

879
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: in college, and he was the last Chargers rookie to

880
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: sign his contract. Granted that's not his fault. So I

881
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: think that there is a world here where Chris Rump

882
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: plays very early as the starter. I guess the edge

883
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: three and then Tooley does have to earn that like

884
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: I do feel like you know, Quentin Johnson said that

885
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: he's already won the starting job. We'll see. I think

886
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: that Chris Rump is going to hold onto this for

887
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: a bit, and let's not forget like Chris Rump in

888
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: the preseason and in camp is awesome his rookie season.

889
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: At that scrimmage, I think he had three sacks and

890
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: throughout the preseason, I think it's like ten pressures, a

891
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: couple of sacks, eight run stops for whatever it is.

892
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: He's going to have a very very good showing in

893
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: training camp and in the preseason. I'm assuming he's going

894
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: to bulk up. I don't know what Joey both is

895
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: gonna call him this year. I don't know what we've

896
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: graduated too, but I guess we'll find out. So I

897
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: think to the ends up winning this, but I think

898
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: it's going to come down to the wire. I think

899
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: it's going to come down to the very end and

900
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: he'll have to earn it.

901
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the good news here is that these

902
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: guys are going to play a ton in the preseason.

903
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: You know, Joey Bussa Klumack probably not gonna play a single

904
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: snap in the preseason. So we'll get to see a

905
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, you know, and that's how it

906
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: was last year, you know, with Carlo Kempen forgetting the

907
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: other the other guy's name from last year and mcaularry.

908
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: And the other.

909
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: Guy apologies there, but yeah, you know, we saw a

910
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: lot of those those guys be able to really get

911
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: a ton of reps and duke it out, and you know,

912
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: Chris Rump was was pretty clearly the best of that crowd,

913
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: and I think we've we've seen him take some strides.

914
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to take some more, though, And I

915
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: think the versatility that two lee to people who can

916
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: bring to you and an offer to this team, I

917
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: think is just more than what Chris Rump can do,

918
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: because Tooley can kick inside, because he can work as

919
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: a stand up preshuer over the middle like they did

920
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: with Kyle Noi a little bit last year. So I

921
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: think they it just offers more options with Tooley, and

922
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: I think that he should be considered their favorite. I mean,

923
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: they took him in the second round pick. You know

924
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: something that Brandon Staley talked about on when he was

925
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: on The Playmakers Show or not Exceeding Playmakers They Play

926
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Callers Show with Jordan Rodrigue, is that, you know, nowadays,

927
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: with these NFL defensive players, you have to have players

928
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: who can give you multiple roles and allow you to

929
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: have more flexibility. And even if that's a defensive linement,

930
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: you know that offers you an advantage that another guy

931
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: might not be able to. So I think what two

932
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Lee can do. Also, his ability as a run defender,

933
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: I think lends itself towards him being the Edge three.

934
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: But similar to just here Taylor, I think Chris Rump

935
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: is gonna play this year, and I think we'll see

936
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: him make an impact and you know, be able to

937
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: take some of those snaps away from Joey and Khalil

938
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: and keep him fresh a little bit. So in name,

939
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: I think two Ley wins this Edge three battle, but

940
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: I do think Chris Rump makes an impact on the

941
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: season overall.

942
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't talk about a ton of battles today,

943
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: but it really feels like the Chargers are in a

944
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: good spot at least are in the battles we talked

945
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: about depth wise, Like, I actually do feel really good.

946
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: You know, if you're trying to make a case for

947
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: each of these guys that we've talked about, or the

948
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: three guys that we've talked about, each one has a

949
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: way to contribute to this team. Whether they're the starter

950
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 2: or the you know, the dominant Edge two or whatever

951
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: Edge three, whatever it is, They're going to find a

952
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: way to make play on this team. So it feels

953
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: like it's a good problem to have this year.

954
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure feels like the death is better than

955
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: previous years and hopefully that comes to fruition. All right, Tyler,

956
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: any other position battle that you want to briefly bring

957
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: up is something that's maybe you know, picking out your

958
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: head lately, can one of these battles and maybe going

959
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: on under the raidar a little bit.

960
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: Let's see LB three and how that shakes out. I

961
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: think we all assume that it is going to be

962
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: you know, Kendricks is the starter. That's very obvious, and

963
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: we're assuming that it's murrayed, and we're assuming it's Henley.

964
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: But I want to see Amin Augbung Mimiga play, and

965
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: I want to see Dick Neeman play, and I want

966
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: to see what they can do. They're going to, I

967
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: would imagine, make the team. They certainly held on to

968
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: them no reason based on what they can do in

969
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: special teams to not have them. But I'm really curious

970
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: how they work these guys in because I think both

971
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: Amin and Nick have done great things in training camp,

972
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: but in the preseason not exactly like the you know,

973
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: on the field in the regular season. We haven't seen

974
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: a lot of that. But I am curious what they're

975
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: able to do in a competition there.

976
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, we've seen this team use kind

977
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: of a three line backer rotation in the past. You know,

978
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, it was kind of Kaisier White

979
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: was the main starter and then Tranquill and Murray kind

980
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: of split the other reps whether it was pass rushing

981
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: or coverage or run defense. And we might see them

982
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: use that kind of approach again this year. So I

983
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: think everybody's really excited about they on Henley, And you know,

984
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: he's an older rookie, so it's not necessarily quite the

985
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: same thing. You have more experienced, but he's only been

986
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: playing linebacker for like three years, I think, so you know,

987
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: can he match maybe Aimen's physicality, you know, can he

988
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: match Nick Demon's range and coverage ability? Those are things

989
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: that I think he has to answer. But I'm excited

990
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: to see it because I think all three of those

991
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: young players can concern and take a step. It would

992
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: not be a good thus Charge show if we did

993
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: not talk about offensive line at least briefly. You know,

994
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: the charges are an interesting spot in terms of backup

995
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: into your offensive line. They drafted Jordan McFadden, but as

996
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: we've talked about previously. Is he a tackle, is he

997
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: a guard? We don't know how that shakes out. Maybe

998
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: they get to camp and he's more of a right

999
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: tackle type or left tackle type than necessarily a guard.

1000
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: So the Chargers off obviously drafted Brendan Heimus a couple

1001
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: of years ago. He's certainly gonna be in the mix

1002
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: here for the last offensive line spot. And then Dania

1003
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: Popper reported a couple of weeks ago that they're really

1004
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: high on Zach Bailey as a potential backup swing guard.

1005
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: So those are three names that you know, not a

1006
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna be talking about, but I

1007
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: love offensive line play, so I'm gonna be talking about it,

1008
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be interesting to see really

1009
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,959
Speaker 1: where specifically Jordan McFadden ends up playing for this team.

1010
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely had that list. I think if we're

1011
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: just picking a battle and a winner here, I think

1012
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: it's Jordan McFadden.

1013
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: To me.

1014
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: The intrigue here, as you talked about, is kind of

1015
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: where he plays, what he plays, how they use him,

1016
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: is tackle involved at all, So it should be fun.

1017
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: We'll get an answer pretty soon, guys.

1018
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: I know where I think we're as of recording this today,

1019
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: we're nine days away from the first practice, so that's

1020
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna be very very exciting. Tyler and I are gonna

1021
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: be making some of appearances at training camp, so feel

1022
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: free to come up and say hello and you see

1023
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: us over the next few weeks. Gonna be very exciting

1024
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: to get back together and get back down in coast

1025
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: to Mesa and see the charters be practicing and all

1026
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: that good stuff that comes to training camp. As always,

1027
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Speaker 1: make sure subscribe to this channel and ours the Guiltiest

1028
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Speaker 1: Charge Podcast. Leave us a comment, let us know what

1029
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Speaker 1: you think about these position battles. Make sure like the videos.

1030
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1031
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1033
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Speaker 1: Appreciate Brian and Tyler for joining me today and we'll

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