WEBVTT - Pt. 1 - Former Zags Superstar Dan Dickau Discusses Hoops Upbringing, Washington Commitment, Gonzaga Transfer Decision 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.200 Hey, welcome into the All Ball Podcast. Boy Doug Gottlieb 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:12.520 here and Man, We're gonna have a two part pop 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:16.360 and I'll talk a little bit about my recruitment UMU. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.439 During the pod, we'll talk a little bit about the 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:20.639 I gotta do an NBA preview. Like man, we just 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.560 get these great interviews and have these great talks, So 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.279 I want to do all of that. But first I 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.400 wanted to catch up with Dan dick out. Dan obviously 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.680 was was college basketball play of the year play in 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.600 the NBA. But in this pod, we're gonna talk about 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.560 him as a kid growing up in Portland and then 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.800 in Vancouver, Washington, Vancouver just Overwhell. Let's let you tell 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.319 him where exactly it is, what what motivated him? Who 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.400 did he idolize? How did he make himself in to 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.560 the player he became in. Why did you choose the 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:51.839 University of Washington. I know there's actually a lot of 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:53.760 people that are probably listening to podcast, like, no, Dan 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.600 dick I went to Gonzaga, and he transferred to Gonzaga 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.800 after playing a year and a half at Washington like 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.360 he yes, but Washington and Gonzaga was not It was 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.720 not his dream schools. There's an interesting tie that binds 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.680 the two of us that I will get to. I'll 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.320 get to, um, including guys I was recruited by his 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.160 dream school nearly went there. It was like, tell him 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:16.800 I didn't, He'll tell me why he didn't go to 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.600 that same school and then and then he went to what. Well, 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.800 there's a bunch to get to. So you're really going 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:30.119 to enjoy this without further ado, my guy, Dann dick out. So, UM, 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.200 it's fascinating, fascinating to catch up with you on this level, 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.280 because yeah, I would love to talk about current ZAG 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:40.520 hoops right and Zag's Iowa this weekend and we'll try 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.440 and get to that. But like, I feel like you 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.600 were Tebow before Tebow. And and I don't mean that 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.080 from a religious background. I mean it in terms of 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:57.559 like a a cult following where like every white kid 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.240 was like every white dad and there was like, man, 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:02.120 you can dick out. That's the dude, Like if he 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.960 can be National Player of the Year, you can too. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:10.919 You're you started playing basketball where you know that's uh, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.360 that's a funny comment. And and actually I appreciate that 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.680 I've heard that from a number of coaches you know, 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.480 about five six years after I was done at Gonzaga 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:24.760 that every kid they recruited or an AU coach thought 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.240 they had a kid to recruit had the long floppy hair, 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.960 and my name was thrown out there. So it brings 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.160 back some interesting and unique and fun memories, that's for sure. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.160 But I started playing basketball. I was born in Portland. 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.799 I moved to Vancouver when I was in second grade 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.640 with my family, but I remember in Portland's um. I 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.679 actually had three hoops at my house as a little kid. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.080 In our basement, I had a hoop that was probably 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.440 you know, like it wasn't one of those plastic little 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.920 type coops, but it was. It was a hoop that 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.480 went up on the wall, you know, probably no higher 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.200 than than six ft in. My parents used to say 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.320 I would be down there for hours on end, even 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.720 when I was four or five years old. And then 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.800 we also had a hoop on our driveway that was 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:12.000 ten ft um in Portland. And then in our backyard 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.240 we had a tree and we had a backboard with 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.040 a rim on the tree. So as as a kid 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.720 in Portland, I had three different hoops to choose from. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.120 But I didn't play on an organized basketball team until 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.079 we moved to Vancouver in the second grade. But back then, 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:31.400 the y m c A only started teams in third grade. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.000 So third grade was the first time I was on 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.080 a on an organized team. And I think that's something 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.440 that's so important. I see AU team starting at like 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.520 fifth sixth grade now, and they're traveling across the country. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.840 It's like, you don't even know how to jump stop, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.920 you don't know how to screen, you don't know how 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.240 you don't know how to pass. It's uh, it's become 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.800 a completely different, uh set up. But that's a that's 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.600 a whole another conversation for that that could honestly, like 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.000 just so you know, so it's it's fascinating because so 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:07.200 I'm coaching my son in an AU program and and 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.080 you know, my dad did it, you know, for us. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.600 And he came when he got fired in college, he 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.400 went up to Oregon State for a year. He came back, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.159 he was doing some scouting, he was coaching some minor 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.880 league stuff, and he started at a necessity for my brother, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.720 and then he would coach like high level high school 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.680 like back then was travel ball teams, right and anyway, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.479 So when I moved back and my son was, you know, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.520 third grade. I took him to a fourth and fifth 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.800 grade workout and I had the exact same thought where 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.599 I'm watching and I thought that the workouts were good. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.039 I just thought that way we we for you like 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:45.320 skip things like, hey, they don't know how to jump stop. Hey, 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:49.000 you know, they don't actually know all the rules of basketball, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.159 Like there's a lot of things they don't know that. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.240 And I don't know if it's because, you know, basketball 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:59.440 camps back then were more teaching warrented. I don't know 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.240 if it's as we watched games more on TV, Like 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.920 do kids watch TV? Yes, but they watched a lot 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.680 of YouTube, and they watched a lot of you know, 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.200 highlight reels on I G right and snap and these 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.960 other things where there are no jump stop videos on 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.159 YouTube that have a million downloads. Right, but but but 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.440 last I checked, you can't make all these plays if 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.520 you travel every time we get the ball. So it's 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.320 a fascinating experience. And then what I've found is that 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:32.200 the right parents that get it, they end up gravitating more, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.559 at least in the current moment. I may have another 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.280 pod with you. They're like, wow, wait, you actually coach them. Yeah, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.440 you actually make them running offense, like, yeah, we're playing 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.400 We're not playing zone, dude, We're not We're not doing that. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.120 We got to teach you how to guard guard your 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.840 man and how to help and how to position your 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.520 feet properly and all these things. And it might get 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.520 us beat because you're not as athletic as another duo. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:58.080 But that's okay. It's a it's a marathon, not not 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.280 a sprint. I want to go to Okay. So, Vancouver, Washington, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.880 right is right on the border of Oregon. Yeah. So 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.000 if you've you've flown into Portland many times, I'm sure, right, Doug. 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.360 So the Columbia rivers right there. The bridge that you 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.840 see when you land at the airport that takes you 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.919 to Vancouver. So, uh, you go north from the airport, 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.040 you're in Vancouver, Washington, and you go south you get 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.160 into the heart of Portland. And so, you know, I 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.200 grew up. When we moved to Vancouver, we were fifteen 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.200 minutes away from from the Rose Garden. They call it 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.280 the Motor Center. Now I never will call it that. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.680 It's it's the Rose Garden, sure, so um, but it's 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.920 it's it's fashionating because that's been like a little well 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.160 spring of especially Gonzaga players. But it's a good little best. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.599 But was your dad a hooper? Like what was you 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.640 had three hoops up that he just loved it or 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.039 what was it? No, my dad was actually uh a 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.680 golf teaching professional, um before he got into pharmaceutical sales 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.640 when when I was, right before I was born. Um, 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.520 so there there was some athleticism there. He hand eye 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.120 coordinates and he liked basketball, but he didn't play at 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.440 any high level. Um. But you know, I think, as 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.520 with any kid that ends up having some success in 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.720 in any sport or even any endeavor, if whether it's 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.840 you know, another hobby, you gotta you have to love 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.320 it on your own and you have to be passionate 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.680 enough and driven enough to just spend countless hours on 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.760 your own doing it until you perfect different things. Um. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.680 And that's something that I was always willing to do. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.480 I mean, I I never had video games system growing up. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.480 I think the first time I actually had a video 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.720 game system was an Xbox when I was at college 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:44.160 at the University of Washington. Um that it wasn't even mine, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.760 it was my roommates. And I thought It was the 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.240 coolest thing because that was back when college players they 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.600 had the college Game, but they couldn't use your name, 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.120 but you had the number and it looked exactly like you. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:57.680 And I thought that was the coolest thing that I 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.280 was on the game. Yeah, I was black, actually couldn't shoot, 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.520 which was accurate, right, I was black, super fast, really past, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.480 but I could, but I was I was they changed 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.720 by race, which I'm actually actually really kind of good with, right, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.240 Like that's that that that I don't take that as 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:19.040 a negative in in any way. Um, it's fat So okay. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:24.000 I grew up shooting hoops at Garrett Phipps's house, So 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.760 I grew up in its. Six years old, we moved 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:31.640 to Orange, California, and our driveway was slanted, and so 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.439 back then you didn't have the portable goals, right, you couldn't. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.000 By the time I was in high school, we had 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.600 one on the sidewalk that you could shoot in the street. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.040 But as a kid, they didn't have those. So I 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:45.080 actually never had a hoop in my driveway. Ever. I 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.600 had to go like six doors down and here the kid, 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:53.520 Garrett was my brother's age, and he had a flat 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.120 driveway and so I go and I just asked his 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.320 parents for my somebody asked his parents when I was 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.360 really little, like he likes to come shoot. It's the 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.319 exact same thing. And I used to play imaginary games 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.560 just all afternoon. I would do I would be the 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.640 announcer and the player. I would announce the game as 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.920 I play, or I I had introduced myself and I 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:12.920 do high fives with all the plants on the way 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.440 down to Garrett's house and I go and shoot. And 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.160 then my my brother, who of course has been an 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.920 assistant coach for twenty five years, he that wasn't his thing, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.040 like he wasn't a self motivated guy at that point 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.280 in terms of hoop. So they used to kind of 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.400 camp out in Garrett's parents garage because they had these 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.160 takaate posters and the kakati posters were basically topless women 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.040 beer or maybe skimpy bikinis or whatever, and they would 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.520 and they would make fun of me, and I'd be 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.880 out there shooting. So it was always your driveway or 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.280 was there a local park that you are that you 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.280 went and you you kind of honed your game. So 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.000 when we moved to Vancouver, that was second grade. And 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.240 luckily a couple of years after that, I was my 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.160 parents we joined an athletic club called Club Green Meadows 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.440 and it was about seven or eight minutes from where 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.679 we lived. UM, and my parents would take me there 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.720 as as often as as they could get me there. UM. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.600 I became old enough where they just dropped me off 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.480 for a few hours and I'd be able to shoot um. 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.840 You know. But the unique thing about that place was, 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.800 starting from a young age, they had three courts and 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.680 so there were six hoops. You could always find a 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.080 hoop to shoot on regardless of the time. UM. And 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:30.079 the other cool thing was this was before NBA teams 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.440 had practice facilities um where they would open it up 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.880 for the other two road team to come practice at 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.080 the day before the game, or a lot of colleges 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.960 would host teams for practice. So the Club Green Medals 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.120 was such a good facility that NBA teams would come 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.959 to Green Meadows in Vancouver in practice the day before 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.880 they played the Blazers. So as a young kid, I 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:56.920 was able to watch NBA practices. I remember watching the Spurs, 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.440 I remember watching it was the Bullets at the time, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.760 the Hornets. I watched a number of different teams at 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.120 the NBA level practice as a young kid, and I 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.560 just sit there watching and start kind of picking and 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.040 choosing different things to watch in different guys. I remember 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.880 I got to to meet west An so years later 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.440 I met him again during the NBA draft process and stuff. 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.360 But I remember meeting west On so because he was 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:24.280 a coach at the time with the Bullets. I remember 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.160 Liddell Echoes if you remember that name. I played one 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.760 on one as a as a like a sixth like 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.000 a seventh eighth grade against Joe Wolf when he was 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:36.079 with the the Hornets, And so I was able to 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.360 kind of really um see the NBA game, pick and 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.400 choose different things that different guys were doing in the 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.720 practices and then go out and work on that once 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.280 they left. And it was a really unique experience for 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.280 a young kid, because what what kid gets to do that. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.360 So fast forward a few more years being at Club 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:58.320 Green Meadows UM every Tuesday and Thursday afternoons, they would 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.680 have open open runs and it was with the old guys. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.720 And you know how it is, Doug, as a young guy, 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.720 you gotta kind of earn your stripes. You gotta earn 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.120 the ability to be on the court. And so when 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.320 you're an eighth grader or ninth grader and you're playing 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.080 against you know, whether it's a twenty five year old 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.520 guy who was playing in college two years ago, which 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.440 there were plenty of there, or there was a forty 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.280 five year old guy that's a city league legend. If 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:24.800 you're the young guy wanted to get on the court, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.679 you gotta figure out, Okay, well you win, you stay, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.080 you lose, you gotta sit for forty five minutes. Nobody's 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:32.560 want to do that. And then if you are the 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.920 young guy who screwed it up for everybody, you're not 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.640 getting back on or you're not gonna be inspired to play, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.960 You're gonna you're gonna be told to go, hey kid, 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.880 go shoot over there. So I figured it out from 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.560 a pretty early age how to compete and what it 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.240 would take to win in a team concept. And then 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.840 as my skills grew throughout high school, you know, I 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.200 was the guy that all the old guys wanted on 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.320 their team, whether they were a fresh out of college 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.280 or where there they were an old guy because they 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.160 knew we were probably what we're gonna win. Because my 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.080 skills kept getting better, and better. Um. So I credit 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.160 Green Medals for a lot of my my basketball career. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.720 So I was I was two places racquetball World. Um. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.120 And what's fascinating. So my best friend in basketball, my 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.040 best friends in life is Miles Simon. Um. I know 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.120 you know, well, Miles and I started playing together in 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.840 fourth grade. But what's what's interesting about Miles is he 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.240 grew up in a town called Placentia, which is really 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.440 really so close to Fullerton, and he played at racquetball World. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.600 There's only two racketball world, I believe in Fullerton. I 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.720 grew up playing at Rackball World in Santa Anna. Like 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.640 we lived parallel lives where our dads would take us 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.480 to rackeball where my dad was a racketball player and 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.920 we would play like all day, but we didn't actually 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.360 play with each other for the most part until like 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.240 high school. Were like, you play rackball World and we're 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.800 best friends. We occasionally go to each other's rackball World 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.520 and we'd have sleepovers, but but that was that was it? 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.920 Who is your idol? Growing up? Like, there was there 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.520 a guy that you tried to embulate? Yeah, I had 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.360 a couple of him. You know, every kid that was 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.040 our age, Doug and I would imagine you would say 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.280 the same would be Michael Jordan and that's the easy one. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.440 He he was greatest player of all time. He was 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:14.280 unbelievable to watch. Um. But for me growing up in Portland, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.720 I love Jerome Kersey and Clyde Drexler, But bigger picture 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.160 in the NBA, I love John Stockton um. And oddly enough, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.880 all these years later, John and I are good friends 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.000 and I get two friends all the time. I mean, 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.000 the craziest ship ever was I knew that. I mean 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.000 I had to feel like. First of all, Jerone Kirsty 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:34.600 was one of those guys, why didn't he shave his head? 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.120 He was like perfessionally going bald, Like, why didn't he 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.720 shave his head? He used to watch him the NBA finals. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.360 And then you know, Clyde was Clyde was like you 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.760 know the Pacific Northwest Jordans like, well we got we 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:51.480 got right, um, but but it is we obviously we 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.360 can skip steps or whatever, but that is fascinating, right. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.120 You grew up, I had lighting this guy and all 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.440 of a sudden, like now you're in his morning workouts 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.360 and you're playing at his school and in many ways, 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.600 surpassing everything he did at his school and now years 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.400 later your close friends, like you're a mentor to his son, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.120 Like all of that stuff has to be just fascinating. Yeah, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.240 it blows my mind sometimes, you know. And it's because 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.920 like I'll make a comment at at home to my 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.080 wife that hey, stocks has got open gym this day 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.560 or whatever. He She'll just look at me Stocks like, yeah, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.160 John Stockton. Everybody up here that that knows him well 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.520 just calls him stocks Um. But you know the reason 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:38.120 why is I was a understized white kid from suburban Portland, Vancouver, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:43.640 and you know, you tend to gravitate towards and look 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.320 to the dream about, Hey, if that person did it, 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.840 maybe I can do it if I work hard and 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.440 things work out. And so I kind of always looked 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.880 at it as, hey, when I'm big, I'm probably gonna 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.120 be no bigger than John Stockton when I'm fully grown. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.400 Uh he's good at this, this and this. Well I 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.280 need to try to be good at those same things. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.120 And you're right, I mean, it's uh, it has come 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.560 full circle when I get a chance to go down 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.000 and and play in his his open gym's Uh, it's 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.040 a lot of fun. I mean he still plays it. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.040 I mean, shoot, I'm forty two now, he must be 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.120 fifty five fifty six and he still plays. You know, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:23.200 he's got a mix of guys, whether they're high school kids, uh, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.360 fresh out of college kids, guys playing from overseas, or 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.200 some older guys. He's got a nice mix of guys 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:34.000 that play in his open gyms. That's amazing. Okay, why 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:39.120 you dub and it's amazing because like there's a I 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.840 want to have a part of my boy, Chris Johnson. Um. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.600 I grew up as a u c l A fan. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.160 We moved out here and my dad kind of befriended 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.560 Sam Gilbert, who's like the legendary booster at U c 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.320 l A. When Walt Hazard was the coach, his two sons, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.960 Jalil and Rashid were teammates in mind. We we had 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.520 him on our travel teams. Whatever, stay the night at 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.920 the house, I'd be ball boys. Sometimes we had season tickets. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.760 When Jim Herrick took over, like he would help. He 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.439 tried to help coach Herrick and I was offered a 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.399 scholarship there and did not go there. And you know, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.760 all the kinds of myriad reasons. Why was was you 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:20.240 dub like always your place with like why you dubb 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.399 out of high school? No? I actually I wanted to 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:26.760 go to University of Oregon UM. I went to one 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.600 game at MATC Court. I believe it was my freshman 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.400 year of high school. Jason care would have been a freshman, 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.320 so it would have been Jason King was a freshman, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:37.960 so the only year in college I believe it was. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.080 And I was blown away by Matt Court, like just 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.600 the energy in the building, how cool it was on 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.880 the outside, how amazing it was on the inside. And 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.920 you know, at that time, I wasn't being recruited by anybody. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.399 I was a freshman in high school. Yeah, I was 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.320 playing varsity, but I still at the time, I was 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:01.760 five nine forty pounds, and nobody, nobody myself included, knew 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.879 what to expect my career. And so fast forward a 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.040 couple of years, and I'm good enough to now be 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.040 recruited in the start of my junior year by uh, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.600 pretty much everybody in the West Coast Conference, some of 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:20.640 them in the Mountain West, I would say, Washington, Washington State, USC, 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:25.000 Stanford were recruiting me. But Oregon was the school that 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.480 I wanted, like I wanted to go to Oregon. And 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:34.000 my high school coach, um he called them probably monthly. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:38.600 Hey I got a point guard here. These others it 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:45.640 would have been so somewhere in there. But Jerry Green, Yes, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.320 unbelievable staff by the way, and and and you you'll 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.040 be amazed at how are There's a bigger connection than 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.720 you think. But the staff for people don't know mark 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:59.399 Ersian right, Yep, yeah, he was there. Darren Kaylish, I 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:05.000 don't remember. Okay, So Darren was. He's from southern California 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.560 and he coached team he was a coach with Team 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.560 of Villa. Team of Villa's claim to fame was among 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.439 other people they had, they had Keith and Horn and 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.840 Darren went from Oregon to um uh to working for 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.359 Adidas a long time. And then I think he's I 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.320 think he manages people's money in the in the NBA 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.399 now whatever. Darren's great dude. And then Tad Boyle was 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.359 the other assistant when I I know because I visited 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:38.440 there in nineties seven spring of and I and and 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.040 my background in mac Court was my dad was an 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:45.439 assistant for one year at Oregon State, a C. Green's 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.720 last year. I'll never forget. And we stayed down here 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.840 and I'll never forget that he called me. He's like, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:56.560 who's the most unbelievable atmosphere I've ever seen? When we 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:00.240 played at Oregon there gym is like made of would 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.440 and so the whole thing shakes. So we're at the 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.639 pretro line and they had to stop the game because 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.800 the students kept making the goals sway and I was like, 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.080 it's like your dad telling you're like no, right, And 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:18.359 sure enough I go and visit. And in the spring 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.640 of ninety seven they play Arizona, who like a month 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.600 later win a national championship. Jerry Green's the coach. Kenya 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.600 Wilkins was their point guard. He was amazing. He was 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.119 an l A guy I think Dorsey High School and 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.800 he was one of those guys that just junkyard dogs, 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.919 scoring one, tough as hell, right, And it was the 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.560 best atmosphere I had ever seen in my entire life. 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.960 But here's the downside to it. Okay, and I want 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.200 to hear why why they were so late and recruiting. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.240 I go and I had just been to Oklahoma State 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:51.840 on a visit where I played my freshman year of 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.760 Notre Dame. I left, I sat at a junior college 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.480 blah blah blah. So they're like, you'll sit, you know, 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.959 normally you sit in a section. They have like, you know, 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:04.879 a girl who's a host whatever, you know, even on 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.119 visits whatever, and they have people come and introduced themselves. 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.040 Back then at matt court Um, the players sat on 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.080 bleachers with like little pads in the front row of 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:19.240