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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 2: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trust

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Speaker 2: and colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from

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Speaker 2: our studios at lambeau Field to review the Packers Week

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Speaker 2: seventeen loss to the Minnesota Vikings. The final was twenty

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Speaker 2: seven to twenty five at US Bank Stadium West. But

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Speaker 2: you know, and I know that quite frankly, this game

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Speaker 2: was not as close as the final score. The Packers

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Speaker 2: made a run at it in the back half of

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. They did not give up in this game,

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Speaker 2: but for a good portion of the game they were

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Speaker 2: down multiple scores and the Vikings were in control of

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Speaker 2: the game. And I think Matt Lafleur said it best

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Speaker 2: on Monday when he went to the podium and he

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Speaker 2: basically just accused the Packers of playing sloppy football. And

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Speaker 2: you play sloppy football against good teams, and it's going

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Speaker 2: to be really, really hard to win. And that's what

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Speaker 2: the Packers found out on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And to me, I mean, I just look at

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Speaker 3: that beginning of it and I thought the approach was right.

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Speaker 3: We saw what happened in when Detroit when they deferred

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Speaker 3: on the kickoff. This time they decided to take it.

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Speaker 3: You try to take the crowd out of it. Almost

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Speaker 3: maybe replicate these fast starts they had in back to

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Speaker 3: back games where they really get two touchdowns off their

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Speaker 3: first two series, and honestly, they're moving the ball a

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Speaker 3: little bit, but then Josh Jacobs has the fumble. Credit

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Speaker 3: to the Packers defense, they actually keep the Vikings off

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Speaker 3: the board. They actually earn another punt on the next

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Speaker 3: series as well. I can't remember if it was exactly

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Speaker 3: three now, but they got off the field again in

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Speaker 3: this situation, and Green Bay plays pretty much a scoreless

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Speaker 3: first quarter with Minnesota until the Brandon McManus pack the

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Speaker 3: drive stalls in the red zone. McManus gets a twenty

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Speaker 3: two yarder and then after that it was off to

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Speaker 3: the races. It just seemed like the Vikings were able

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Speaker 3: to get into a rhythm. I think the Packers took

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Speaker 3: a pretty big hit with the Zane Anderson loss. You're

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Speaker 3: kind of expecting that he once again is going to

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Speaker 3: be back there. With Xavier McKinney, a veteran that has

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Speaker 3: been in this league for a number of years now,

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Speaker 3: even if he hasn't played as much. A couple dominoes

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Speaker 3: fell a couple different directions, a couple penalties went a

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Speaker 3: couple different ways, and obviously the offense didn't start fast

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Speaker 3: enough and the Green Bay Packers picked up their fourth

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Speaker 3: loss in the NFC Nord.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's certainly a lot of disappointment on both sides

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Speaker 2: of the ball with how this game went. Defensively, I

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Speaker 2: agree with you entirely on what happened with Zane Anderson.

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Speaker 2: He gets injured on the kickoff right after the McManus

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Speaker 2: field goal, when the Packers are up three to nothing.

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Speaker 2: He leaves for concussion evaluation. And you wouldn't think, okay,

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Speaker 2: you lose Zane Anderson, who was just filling in at

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Speaker 2: safety anyway, right, You wouldn't think that that would be

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Speaker 2: a big issue. But when the Packers are down Jay

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Speaker 2: or Alexander and Evan Williams in the secondary, and Javon

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Speaker 2: Bullard had just come back from being out for two weeks,

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Speaker 2: he was limited in practice with the ankle injury, and

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Speaker 2: you and I both suspect that the vast majority, if

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Speaker 2: not all, of his snaps, the limited snaps he did

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Speaker 2: get in practice were at the nickel position right because

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Speaker 2: Anderson was going to be the other deep safety with McKinney. So,

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Speaker 2: as you said, the dominoes start to fall then because

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Speaker 2: Bullard moves back to safety, which is a position he

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Speaker 2: hadn't practiced really at all on top of being out

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Speaker 2: for the last two games. And then Keyshawn Nixon then

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Speaker 2: has to start bouncing between the slot corner and the

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Speaker 2: and quite frankly that that domino effect in the secondary

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Speaker 2: had a big impact on the defense. Sam Darnold ends

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Speaker 2: up thirty three for forty three, a career high three

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy seven yards, And it was a combination

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Speaker 2: of a lot of things. There were times the coverage

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Speaker 2: didn't hold up. There were a lot of times that

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Speaker 2: the pass rush just didn't affect Donald enough. It it

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Speaker 2: became once the Vikings got going offensively, it sort of

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Speaker 2: fact that the Packers were really stifling Minnesota's running game

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Speaker 2: to a great degree just didn't matter because they could

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent and a couple of different things to

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Speaker 3: touch on here. One, I want to just very quickly

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Speaker 3: mention this safety situation, because you laid it out perfectly

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Speaker 3: Sat Anderson. He's only been in there, he only had

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Speaker 3: started one game, right. But then you kind of think

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Speaker 3: and you have a guy that you can turn to

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Speaker 3: on the bench that has played eight years in the

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Speaker 3: National Football League, has been a starter before, and can

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Speaker 3: become the key communicator at the linebacker position and kind

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Speaker 3: of keep all the chess pieces lined up appropriately. It's

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Speaker 3: kind of like that on the back end too, where

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Speaker 3: you're thinking you're going to go in with a certain

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Speaker 3: game plan. We saw Xavier McKinney blitzing from a free

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Speaker 3: Sat I think on the second series. Those are the

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Speaker 3: type of things that you can do when you have

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Speaker 3: have the trust, and then suddenly Buller's being in addition

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Speaker 3: to coming back from injury, now being forced to play

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Speaker 3: a position that he likely didn't practice. To your point

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Speaker 3: though about where things headed for Green Bay in the

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Speaker 3: first half. I agree with you. It seemed like early

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Speaker 3: there were too many times where he is standing back

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Speaker 3: all that time to survey the field. I thought they

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Speaker 3: were really smart. I liked with Kevin O'Connell drew up obviously.

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Speaker 3: You know when you have those type of weapons, with

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Speaker 3: Jalen Naylor also as a third option. How many times

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Speaker 3: you and I talked last week. I never even brought

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Speaker 3: up Naylor's name. He ends up catching the believe it

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Speaker 3: was a thirty one yard post that if with the

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Speaker 3: touchdown that kind of got things rolling. Justin Jefferson didn't

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Speaker 3: then heated up towards the end of it. It was

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Speaker 3: sort of like what you were discussing last week, where

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Speaker 1: Mattlefloor said it.

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Speaker 3: I mean they have two bona fide Number one receivers

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Speaker 3: and I thought both those guys played like it. And

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Speaker 3: then the last thing I will say, the Packers did

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Speaker 3: an excellent job against the run in this game. Aaron

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Speaker 3: will say though, is Aaron Jones did a tremendous job

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I was kind of getting at with.

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Speaker 2: You know, everything with the defense was the combination of

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Speaker 2: the Russian coverage. Because statistically Donald has forty three pass attempts,

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Speaker 2: He's only sacked once, Carlbrooks got him late in the

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Speaker 2: good enough when you look at the film, and I

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Speaker 2: not something that I noticed during the game, but when

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Speaker 2: you when you look at the film, the Vikings kept

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Speaker 2: The problem was that in those instances the pack the

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Speaker 2: But Darnold was still finding holes and still getting completion.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I say I don't want to put

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Speaker 2: one sack in forty three dropbacks. But by the same token,

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Speaker 2: And what really I saw happening a lot of times

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Speaker 2: there's all these spaces for Donald to step into, step up,

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Speaker 2: it was just this combination of things where there weren't

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Speaker 2: the coverage wasn't holding up when the Packers should have

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Speaker 2: yet the injury certainly happened, but the expectation is for

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Speaker 2: And quite frankly, this was just Sam Donald's day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to kind of work off of what we

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Speaker 2: That was a huge play because you know, the Packers

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Speaker 2: that interception. Fortunately Carl Brooks recovers the fumble. At the

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Speaker 2: a touchdown, and not a lot has gone right, but

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Speaker 2: it's a ten point game, and hope was not lost

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Speaker 3: And even as Xavier McKinney said afterwards when I was

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Speaker 3: the plays they're gonna need, whether it's from Valentine or

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Speaker 3: other guys. They need to take the ball away. That's

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Speaker 3: the identity of this defense. That stuff that they're gonna

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Speaker 3: need to build upon going into the postseason. But the

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Speaker 3: reason I bring up the Carrington bit is because, as

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Speaker 3: the things that happened with the passing game, you know,

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Speaker 3: he said, I mean their quarterback gets paid too, Like

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Speaker 3: Sam Donald is a very good courquarterback. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: the Packers, if they can make a postseason run here

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Speaker 3: are going to face some very good quarterbacks. You have

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Speaker 3: to solve them. But I just want to say, and

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Speaker 3: I think I said this after the Week four Game two,

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Speaker 3: the search is over. Sam Donald is the quarterback of

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Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings. I don't want to hear JJ McCarthy's

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Speaker 3: name anymore. You want to keep him on ice for

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Speaker 3: three years, keep him on ice. You want to trade him,

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Speaker 3: you can trade him. Do whatever you want. If you

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Speaker 3: it would be the biggest thing positively that you could

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Speaker 3: do for Detroit, Green Bay in Chicago. Sam Darnald, the

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Speaker 1: So put all that out there, Edgerri and Cooper.

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Speaker 3: There, And the thing that probably is the most frustrating

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Speaker 3: But they play still very fast, very smart, and I

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Speaker 3: They played two shell a lot more in this game,

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Speaker 3: hard time answering it. Losing Christian Watson was a big deal.

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Speaker 3: somebody else needs to become that playmaker. Last year in Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: It just didn't happen. I will give I will say this,

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Speaker 2: Lions didn't do that. The Detroit Lions. They line up

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Speaker 2: It worked because the Packers did not adjust well to

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Speaker 2: There was one run by Cam Akers Akers Dad got

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Speaker 2: out of the gate, yes, but basically one run by Jones,

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Speaker 2: one run by Acres. Other than that, Minnesota could not

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Speaker 2: run the ball.

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Speaker 3: And yet Minnesota still runs a play action. They get

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Speaker 3: the thirteen yard pass to Ham. They don't it's not

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Speaker 3: a true play action. It was more of a rollout

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Speaker 3: on the pass that ended up going to Acres. But

444
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Speaker 3: it's like those things are so frustrating because it's like

445
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Speaker 3: you've already proven well one, you don't have to sell

446
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Speaker 3: out for it, and in Minnesota's case, it's like you're

447
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Speaker 3: really going to set up play action after.

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Speaker 1: You haven't run the ball all day. But they got

449
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Speaker 1: away with it and they got the win.

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Speaker 2: Well both and really when on all of the throws,

451
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Speaker 2: you know, those last four plays where they got the

452
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Speaker 2: two first downs, one on the plus side of the

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Speaker 2: two minute warning and then the second one that sealed

454
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Speaker 2: the game, Darnold was on the move in the pocket,

455
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Speaker 2: which from a play calling perspective, is really smart because

456
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Speaker 2: then if the throw isn't there, he can just tuck

457
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Speaker 2: it and run and slide and make the Packers use

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Speaker 2: their timeouts. Right, you can't you can't count on being

459
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Speaker 2: able to do that if you're standing in the pocket.

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Speaker 2: And so Kevin m'connell got him on not a mobile quarter,

461
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Speaker 2: no any means, but he got him on the move

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Speaker 2: to give him that option. And and then the the

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Speaker 2: third down, and you know, credit cam Acres. It wasn't

464
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Speaker 2: a great throw on the final third and three Acres

465
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Speaker 2: makes a really difficult catch, you know, falling down backwards,

466
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Speaker 2: grabs it off his shoe tops. Those are the kind

467
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Speaker 2: of catches that you know, some of those the Packers

468
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Speaker 2: let get away in this game, and Acres makes it

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Speaker 2: at the.

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Speaker 1: End on that one too, it's like then he's uncovered.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, you know exactly, you know the

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Speaker 2: there was there was nobody there to make it a

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Speaker 2: more difficult guess for him. The most The other concerning thing,

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Speaker 2: of course, on the offense is that is that we

475
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Speaker 2: saw the you know these the pre snat penalties and

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Speaker 2: and things like that. Just this It's been part of

477
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Speaker 2: the roller coaster with this offense up season, right It's

478
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: like they crop up for a while, then it seems

479
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 2: like they go away, then all of a sudden they

480
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Speaker 2: come back again. That's what Matt Lafleur was talking about

481
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Speaker 2: in some respects with with the sloppy football comment and

482
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Speaker 2: just really frustrating it. And it was especially it was

483
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Speaker 2: especially damaging right at the end of the first half

484
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Speaker 2: because the Packers have the ball, there's under two minutes

485
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Speaker 2: left in the first half and they have a third

486
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Speaker 2: and one and then that's where I believe it's Dantevian

487
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Speaker 2: Wicks gets called for illegal formation. Mattlafuir totally disagreed with

488
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Speaker 2: the call. He felt Tucker Craft had come off the

489
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Speaker 2: line and and had checked with the official on that

490
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Speaker 2: Dantevian Wicks had stepped up onto the line of scrimmage,

491
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Speaker 2: but they threw the flag for illegal formation anyway, that

492
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Speaker 2: put the Packers set of third and one. It's third

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Speaker 2: and six. They end up they end up hunting, and

494
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Speaker 2: then Minnesota gets one more crack to score before halftime,

495
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: which then they get a second crack at the field

496
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Speaker 2: goal because of the off side call on Edger and

497
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: Cooper get five yards closer and reikerd hits the field goal.

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Speaker 2: A lot of controversy there. The Packers and Matt Lafluer

499
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: certainly did not agree with either of those pre snap penalties.

500
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Speaker 2: But you know, but again a microcosm in some ways

501
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: of things that have gone wrong in games earlier this season.

502
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Speaker 2: That's very frustrating to see that stuff crop up in

503
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Speaker 2: late December when you're hoping to have put that stuff

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Speaker 2: behind you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, Yeah, it was. It was tough.

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Speaker 3: And again Matt Lafleur will always say, you never want

507
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Speaker 3: to put it in the officials' hands. I will say,

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Speaker 3: I mean Kyle Schaeffer's and you know, I mean, who's

509
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Speaker 3: the my car was the down judge too? I mean

510
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Speaker 3: I've never seen a crew perseverate more over the line

511
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Speaker 3: of scrimmage than they did in this game. And by

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Speaker 3: the way, it happened to Minnesota too. Yeah, it wasn't

513
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Speaker 3: just gimingh but but it was just a very bizarre sequence,

514
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Speaker 3: and certainly at the end of the first half. I

515
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Speaker 3: know I have Viking fans all over me on Twitter

516
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Speaker 3: about this too, but like, and I think you pointed

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Speaker 3: out right. I mean, there's probably just a little bit

518
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Speaker 3: too much movement, a little bit too much forward motion

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Speaker 3: from Edgrin. But I also don't think the officials really

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Speaker 3: knew where the line of scrimmage was based on how

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Speaker 3: people were lined up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and that's that's what I was going to

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Speaker 2: get at, because, as you know, I don't participate much

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Speaker 2: in social media, but I do read it. And I

525
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 2: was reading that because you were kind of going back

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Speaker 2: and forth.

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Speaker 1: Was still am evidently, and but I was.

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Speaker 2: I was reading through that, and I apologize for not

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Speaker 2: remembering this individual's name, but it's somebody from somebody associated

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Speaker 2: with she said TV who made a response to one

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Speaker 2: of your comments. And then when I when I look

532
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Speaker 2: back at the film, this makes a lot of sense

533
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: to me. It doesn't excuse it in terms of the call.

534
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 2: But what I what I want to explain is when

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Speaker 2: you you look at that line of scrimmage view of

536
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Speaker 2: the field goal, it looks like the right guard for

537
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: Minnesota is too far forward. He's the one who's actually offside,

538
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Speaker 2: lined up in the neutral zone. What I wonder about,

539
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 2: and this is possibly this is a plausible explanation. The

540
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: side judge who threw the flag on Cooper on Nathan

541
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Speaker 2: Ji's side of the field, on the packer's side of

542
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: the field, maybe he thought, based on his view down

543
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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, that the right guard.

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Speaker 1: Was actually the center.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which the way everybody's packed in on a field

546
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Speaker 2: goal and whatnot, and you're standing that far away, you know,

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Speaker 2: with a look down the line of scrimmage, that's plausible

548
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Speaker 2: to me. And if he thinks that that Vikings right

549
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Speaker 2: guard is the center and not a right guard who

550
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Speaker 2: is lined up off side, then I can understand why

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Speaker 2: he thinks Edgrin Cooper ends up lined up offside. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't excuse it to me. It's poor officiating if that's

553
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: the case, But I think that's actually a somewhat plausible

554
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: explanation for how that flag gets thrown When you look

555
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Speaker 2: at how everybody was lined up and where the flag

556
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Speaker 2: came from.

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Speaker 1: When does the flag need to be thrown? Though?

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm curious about, because if you watch the

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Speaker 3: all twenty two and again, I have to say, it's

560
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: almost like the field goals missed before the flag comes out.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, I didn't notice that part of it.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back and watch this afterwards. Okay, but I

563
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: mean it's not like the ball was snapped and the

564
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Speaker 3: flag comes out. I don't believe that's how that went down.

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Speaker 2: Because if you're saying a guy is lined up, if

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Speaker 2: you're saying a guy is lined up offside or if

567
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Speaker 2: he jumped the snap, yes, then absolutely the flag should

568
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Speaker 2: be coming out immediately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't should be meming out.

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Speaker 3: Let me go back and look and if I'm wrong,

571
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Speaker 3: I'll correct myself on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: But to me, that was the other thing.

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Speaker 3: It seemed like the kick was missed and then now

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing a flag like and by the way, there's

575
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Speaker 3: an advantage to that because Will Reiker ended up getting

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Speaker 3: another try at that kick. In addition to it being

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Speaker 3: five Beard's closer. The Mason Crosby thing just rings in

578
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: my head all the time with this stuff. Now these

579
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: guys that is gold to kickers, to be able to

580
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 3: have an extra shot at these things, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: So again it is what it is. We all move forward.

582
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Speaker 3: It's not like the Packers were just being absolute world

583
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 3: beaters at that time and that broke up their momentum.

584
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: They had opportunities well before that, They had opportunities after that.

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Speaker 1: Yep, agreed, It's just it my diet tribe.

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Speaker 3: I win on on Twitter and I ultimately ended up

587
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Speaker 3: deleting this because what's the point. But these aw shucks

588
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: penalties happen all the time, and it may not be

589
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Speaker 3: Green Bay, it may end up being a Minnesota. It

590
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: could end up being Detroit. The Vikings, They've had stuff

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00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: happen to them before in the past. Somebody's gonna get

592
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Speaker 3: eliminated from the postseason on one of these things, yea,

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Speaker 3: And then we will all be like, oh darn it,

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Speaker 3: and the talk shows will discuss it the following day.

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Speaker 3: A month will pass, two months will pass, and everybody

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Speaker 3: forgets that it ever happened. But next fall when we

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00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: come back and nothing changes. These are the things that

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00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: ultimately end up bubbling back up to the surface.

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Speaker 2: I apologize for the long explanation and perseverating on that.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to point out that the individual from

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Speaker 2: Cheesehead TV, whose name unfortunately I cannot remember, I can

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Speaker 2: get he he posited to me the what I think

603
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: is the best explanation for how that call happened, because

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Speaker 2: I was completely baffled as to how the flag gets

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Speaker 2: thrown there until I saw what, uh oh.

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Speaker 1: It's Bruce Irons. Bruce Irons and Bruce Irons, okay, thanking thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He said that the Vikings being offside so bad made

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Speaker 3: it look like the Packers were offsides.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, all.

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Speaker 3: This would be could be saved if we would go

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Speaker 3: back to the Dean Blandino era of like the NFL

613
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: officially just explaining why calls are made.

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00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we don't get that anymore.

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Speaker 3: Right now, you can't even interview these guys after the game.

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Speaker 3: If you ask for like an actual interview the poor report,

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Speaker 3: you're talking to the league office. Now you're not even

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00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: talking to the official anymore. So it's like we are

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Speaker 3: so far past the rumicon at this point.

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Speaker 2: All right, before we go, we will just review where

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00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: the Packers are in terms of the playoff scenarios. The

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Speaker 2: five seed is out of reach with the loss to

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Speaker 2: the Vikings. The Packers sitting at eleven and five trying

632
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Speaker 2: to get to twelve and five facing the Bears here

633
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Speaker 2: in week eighteen. If the Packers win and if Washington

634
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Speaker 2: loses to Dallas, the Packers will have the sixth seed.

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Speaker 2: If Washington defeats Dallas, the Packers will be the seven

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Speaker 2: regardless of what happens against the Chicago.

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Speaker 1: And both those games are at the same time.

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Speaker 2: One both games are both games are noon Central time kickoffs,

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Speaker 2: And refresh my memory the Washington Dallas game is being

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Speaker 2: played where.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't recall it's being played in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Mike's being played in Dallas, so I eventually got there. Okay,

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00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: So Mike McCarthy, the former Packers head coach, can help

644
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: out his old team potentially if if the Cowboys can

645
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: beat the Commanders. But so, it's either it's either the

646
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: six or the seven seed for the Packers, and you

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00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: we all know that if it's the seventh seed, then

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Speaker 2: the opening playoff opponent would be the Philadelphia Eagles because

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Speaker 2: they are locked into the two seed in the NFC. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the big game in the NFC coming up is the

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Speaker 2: one four the one seed in the first drawn by

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Speaker 2: It will be the last regular season game of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four Slash twenty five. Sunday Night Football Week eighteen

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Speaker 2: will be the Vikings at the Lions.

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Speaker 1: The winner.

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Speaker 2: The stakes here are incredible West for a game that's

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Speaker 2: not do or die, but the stakes are the winner

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Speaker 2: is the one seed and the loser is the five

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Speaker 2: seed and having to go on the road in the

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Speaker 2: first round of the play.

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Speaker 3: And the first ever fourteen win wildcard team, which is

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Speaker 3: going to happen when you have seventeen games out but

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Speaker 3: still fourteen wins.

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Speaker 1: It might be a while before.

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Speaker 2: We have a fifteen win wild card team again, though that.

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Speaker 1: Might happened to the North again next year too.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, who knows, we'll see. That's pretty unusual though,

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Speaker 2: But that's the big one in the NFC. It's for

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Speaker 2: the one seed and the first droun buy for the

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Speaker 2: NFC North Championship. All that the loser will drop to

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Speaker 2: the five. The packers will get either the six or

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Speaker 2: the seven, depending on what they do and what Washington

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Speaker 2: does against Dallas. So that's how the scenarios are setting

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Speaker 2: up here for Week eight.

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Speaker 1: So I was supposed to go to Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Well I did go to Vegas becuse my intention with

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Speaker 3: going to Vegas in June was I was going to

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Speaker 3: see the Connor.

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Speaker 1: McGregor fight, right, okay, and a bunch.

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Speaker 3: Of stuff happened. Connor ends up pulling out of it.

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Speaker 3: They have to save the card. So there's this guy

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Speaker 3: named Alex Piheeda who you won't know, but he's the

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Speaker 3: light heavyweight champion of the UFC. He steps up and

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Speaker 3: he decides on like, I don't know, three weeks in

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Speaker 3: otis four weeks. Notice, he's gonna defend his title against

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Speaker 3: the guy that he beat and it's like a big

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Speaker 3: headliner for this pay per view. That's what the Minnesota

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Speaker 3: Vikings and Detroit Lions did for the NFL in Week eighteen.

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Speaker 3: There is no main event this week. There is one

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Speaker 3: spot even up for grabs in this as far as

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Speaker 3: the entire playoffs are concerned, in or out, and those

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Speaker 3: teams don't even play each other. Yeah, so you have

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Speaker 3: Minnesota and Detroit. They come down to the wire here

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Speaker 3: the most improbable scenario possible of two fourteen win teams

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Speaker 3: competing for a division title and the number one seed

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, and it completely bails the league out

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Speaker 3: from I think probably otherwise it would have been Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: If if the Packers win, right, and San Francisco does

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Speaker 3: what it does and there's no meaning behind Detroit Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing they probably flip Minnesota in Detroit, keep that

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Speaker 3: at three twenty five, and probably have Kansas City in Denver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because does the play because in the whole AFC

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Speaker 2: thing to determine the final spot, Denver is the one

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Speaker 2: in control if the Broncos. If the Broncos win, they

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Speaker 2: get in. If the Broncos lose to Kansas City and.

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Speaker 1: Car Wentz as the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Broncos lose to Kansas City, then it

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Speaker 2: opens the door for either the Miami Dolphins or the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals to take the final spot.

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Speaker 1: I agree with.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what they would have done. They would

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Speaker 2: have had my You know, Cincinnati's already playing on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: they have Miami play on Sunday, and then those teams

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Speaker 2: have to sit and wait and see what and see

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Speaker 2: what happens with Denver on Sunday night. But the league

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Speaker 2: got the Lions Vikings game, So that's what's there, and

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Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see because, as I said, the

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Speaker 2: loser of the Lions Vikings game is going to go

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Speaker 2: to the five seed is gonna be going on the

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Speaker 2: road in the wild card game, going on the road

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Speaker 2: coming off of a Sunday night game in Week eighteen.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if what ever wild card game that loser

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Speaker 2: is involved in is automatically going to be the one

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Speaker 2: on Monday night. I think it probably Wildcard weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just in terms of the kickoff times and kind of

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Speaker 2: trying to even out the rest and whatnot, because you're

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Speaker 2: certainly not going to put that Wildcard game on Saturday, right,

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Speaker 2: the loser of that of the Sunday night game Packers

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Speaker 2: is having to play on Saturday. But I think that

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Speaker 2: might end up being that might end up being the

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Speaker 2: Monday night the final of the six wild card games.

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Speaker 2: The loser of the Lions Vikings game will be in

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Speaker 2: that one. That's just my guess.

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Speaker 3: Well, and then it is interesting too because we were hoping, well,

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Speaker 3: the league was hoping probably for like some more drama

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Speaker 3: there with the NFC West that gets completely sorted out

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Speaker 3: because of all the dominoes felt. The Rams end up

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Speaker 3: clinching even you know, even though.

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Speaker 2: In Arizona, and Arizona was what six yards away yeah,

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Speaker 2: six yards away on Saturday night from winning that game

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Speaker 2: against the Rams and setting up a winner take all

742
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Speaker 2: NFC West showdown between the Rams and the Seahawks. Instead,

743
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Speaker 2: the ball hits off I think it was off McBride's helmet,

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Speaker 2: and the defender makes a diving interception in the end

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Speaker 2: zone saves the game for the Rams, and then the

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Speaker 2: tiebreaker ends up getting clinched on Sunday. So the Rams

747
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Speaker 2: against the Rams against the Seahawks is not for the

748
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Speaker 2: NFC West title. The Seahawks have been eliminated, and it

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Speaker 2: only impacts the potential seating for the Rams.

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Speaker 3: We gotta go. I know you got an eleven o'clock

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Speaker 3: am lunch day here, but we didn't get a chance

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Speaker 3: to talk about this. But isn't it funny how the

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Speaker 3: timeout thing came into play again on Sunday Night football

754
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Speaker 3: as well, where I'm telling you, man, like there used

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Speaker 3: to be that role, Like what was it like under

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Speaker 3: eight or something in like Domofskio just said you never

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Speaker 3: go for two unless it's under eight. That was like

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Speaker 3: an old standard. If we were to create a new standard,

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Speaker 3: if you have a pass play that generates over what

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Speaker 3: fifteen twenty yards, you call the timeout of immediately.

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Speaker 2: Exactly that And coaches used to do that. I mean

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Speaker 2: it used to be almost automatic that they would do

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Speaker 2: that because they knew how much time it would take

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Speaker 2: because of the ball being that much further downfield to

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Speaker 2: get everybody line up, whether it's to spike it or

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Speaker 2: or to try to run another play, whatever the case

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Speaker 2: might be. And uh yeah, I mean Atlanta, Atlanta taking

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Speaker 2: not even using, not even using their last time out

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Speaker 2: and having to try a fifty six yard field.

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Speaker 3: Goal with your backup kicker with your back, Riley Patterson.

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Speaker 1: It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: As soon as as soon as Drake London caught that ball,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was thinking, all you had to do

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Speaker 2: is fall backwards to a lot of bounds. He didn't

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Speaker 2: get out of bounds. But then as soon as you

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Speaker 2: see the referee signaling to wind the clock, you have

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Speaker 2: to they had two timeouts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have.

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Speaker 2: Had a first down with thirty seconds left and still

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Speaker 2: one time out to go as you're near, as you're

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Speaker 2: almost to midfield there, and instead they don't even get

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Speaker 2: the next snap off until there are seventeen seconds left,

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Speaker 2: and you're still sitting with two timeouts. Like it just

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Speaker 2: it made it made no sense. And you're right, we're

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Speaker 2: seeing we're seeing the clock management across the league now getting.

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Speaker 1: Poorer and poorer.

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Speaker 2: Crazy because it and there's actually a question that I

788
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: saw an insider inbox that I'm going to answer for tomorrow.

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00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: It's almost as though coaches are getting way too obsessed

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Speaker 2: with not leaving a single second on the clock in

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00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: an game scenario that even you know because and you know,

792
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Speaker 2: because of Patrick Mahomes having enough timeouts to get a

793
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Speaker 2: field goal against Buffalo in the playoffs with thirteen seconds

794
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: on the clock, it's like you can't leave, you can't

795
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Speaker 2: leave any time. Well, you know, if the other team

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00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: doesn't have any timeouts or only has one time out left,

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Speaker 2: leaving ten seconds on the clock is not the end

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Speaker 2: of the world. Like, do what you do to need

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Speaker 2: to do to get your team in the best position

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Speaker 2: the field. Position there is more important than what is

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Speaker 2: on the clock and not burning a time out. That probably,

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Speaker 2: quite frankly, it probably cost Atlanta the NFC South Yes

803
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: title one hundred percent because they had it. They it

804
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: was a tremendous final drive. Michael Pennix Junior, the rookie

805
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: quarterback two fourth down conversions including the one for the touchdown,

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00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: and then and then they blow the clock management and

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Speaker 2: probably the division championship just just based on not using

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Speaker 2: a timeout.

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Speaker 3: You've got to help your rookie quarterback that has been

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00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: a starting quarterback for two This is not Prime twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers. This is a guy that is extremely talented,

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00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 3: has second enough of I start, and he's been playing

813
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Speaker 3: NFL regular season football for two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't give him the time out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean it unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: I might have been able to understand I might have

817
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: been able to understand this if it was Matt Lafleur

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00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: calling the offense and he's gotten whatever. Raheem Morris is

819
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 3: a defensive minded coach. I mean he has he has

820
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: a very eclectic background as far as coaching, but like

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Speaker 3: it's not like he's sitting there trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: what the next play is.

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Speaker 1: Like it just I I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it cost that. I think they I

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Speaker 2: think Atlanta costs itself a division championship by not calling timeout.

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Speaker 2: And that's it's pretty pretty amazing.

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Speaker 3: Well what was right after your defense just got an

828
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 3: amazing stop of the Jayden Daniels to get that opportunity exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jaden Daniels becomes the hero in overtime. Nobody's talking

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00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: about the fact that they went three and out with

831
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Speaker 2: the opportunity to win the game and gave the Falcons

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to win the game in regulation on the road.

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Speaker 2: But last thing with regard to the Packers playoff scenarios,

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Speaker 2: because they didn't mention this, if the Packers were to

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Speaker 2: get the sixth seed, they could play either the Rams

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Speaker 2: or the Buccaneers, depending on how those games. The Rams

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Speaker 2: are playing the Seahawks, the Buccaneers are playing the Saints.

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Speaker 2: So if it's the seven, it's the Eagles. If it's

839
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Speaker 2: the six, it could be one of two opponents, Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles or Tampa Bay. So I just wanted to clear

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Speaker 2: that up. And last, but not least, the countdown to

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five NFL Draft has begun. Green Bay

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Speaker 2: is hosting this year in case you didn't know that,

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Speaker 2: We apologize, especially to our producer Zach, but he'll deal

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Speaker 2: with it and for less, I am Mike. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for tuning in everybody, Happy New Year, and we'll see

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Speaker 2: you next time.