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Speaker 1: We just wrapped up our conversation with Cecil Richards, the

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Speaker 1: outgoing president of Planned Parenthood, someone with whom I've had

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Speaker 1: and career she's had she has. But before we delve

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Speaker 1: into all that, Katie, we have some very special news

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Speaker 1: I'm not, But why don't we share your big news, Oh,

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Speaker 1: the fact that I have an upcoming six hour documentary

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Speaker 1: series airing on the Nazio channel. Thanks for bringing that up, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it because I have to tell you everyone,

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Speaker 1: I have never worked harder in my life. I've been

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Speaker 1: doing this series since last August, criss crossing the country

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Speaker 1: veccine social issue is that are plaguing the country and

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Speaker 1: dividing us, it seems more than ever, and from political

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Speaker 1: correctness to white working class anxiety to tech addiction. I

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Speaker 1: think your goal was really to go deep on controversial

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Speaker 1: issues that affect all of us. Well, I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, Brian, but I feel like the news cycle

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that people will see a variety of perspectives

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Speaker 1: mean to sound too much like North Korean State TV here,

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Speaker 1: worth everyone's time. Um, particularly since these issues are really

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Speaker 1: going to be a minority majority country by and that's

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Speaker 1: as we've often talked about, we're also increasingly tribalistic, living

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Speaker 1: hope those things will be provided in this series. And uh,

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Speaker 1: if I can just add, because you wouldn't say this

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Speaker 1: I think you do very well is breaking down an

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Speaker 1: As Katie mentioned, she's been president of Planned Parenthood for

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Speaker 1: those women. I mean, that's the problem he and other

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Speaker 1: politicians is that, well they can just go elsewhere. What

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Speaker 1: I've been out there, there isn't an elsewhere to go.

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Speaker 1: And that's what our patients were That's why they were

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Speaker 1: calling Congress and why I think of the calls that

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Speaker 1: were coming into Congress were coming from women. They're saying,

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Speaker 1: there isn't anywhere else for you to go. And if

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Speaker 1: you don't, if you live in Kenosha, Wisconsin, driving to Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: UM for just for your basic healthcare is uh is

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Speaker 1: sometimes impossible. So these I think are important facts for

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Speaker 1: people to understand. Number one, the federal funding that reimburses

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Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood doesn't support abortion services. And that's that's true today,

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Speaker 1: that's been true for years and years. And the second

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Speaker 1: fact is that not all Planned Parenthood centers even provide

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Speaker 1: abortion services, that many of them are just providing you know,

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Speaker 1: basic health care to people. That's correct, UM. And and

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Speaker 1: also that we operate just like every other hospital or

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Speaker 1: healthcare provider, you know. I mean many hospitals provide abortion

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Speaker 1: services and they also provide an abundance of other services.

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Speaker 1: I think the most important thing we can focus on

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Speaker 1: this country is getting more people, uh, not only women,

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Speaker 1: everyone access to affordable preventive care. Because we know, whether

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Speaker 1: it is a cancer screening, whether it is just getting

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Speaker 1: a well woman visit or getting family planning. It's incredibly

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Speaker 1: important that we don't take away that access because we've

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Speaker 1: seen in Texas where they did try to get rid

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Speaker 1: of planned parenthood even though they were unsuccessful. Um, dozens

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Speaker 1: of women's health centers shut down. We've seen a rise

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Speaker 1: in maternal mortality rates and fewer women being able to

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Speaker 1: access birth control, and that just is just doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense. What about all the laws that are being

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Speaker 1: passed thee seal. I think it's what three hundred laws,

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Speaker 1: state laws or local laws that prevent abortions from being

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Speaker 1: provided in certain geographic areas. So talk about that because

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Speaker 1: US that is preventing a lot of women from not

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Speaker 1: only getting preventative healthcare, but abortion services or they have

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Speaker 1: to drive to another state. Um, how did all these

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Speaker 1: bills get passed and what impact are they having on women?

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Speaker 1: I think the toughest thing is that any any legislation

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Speaker 1: that's passed that that reduces women's access to healthcare, including

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Speaker 1: abortion services or birth control, of course, it hits women

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Speaker 1: who have already the least access to healthcare the most.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, state legislatures, as they are increasingly frankly

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Speaker 1: under Republican control, they use this as a political wedge

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Speaker 1: issue and the real challenge and again I'm going to

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Speaker 1: use Texas as an example, since it's my home state.

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Speaker 1: What we saw is after the legislature began to pass

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Speaker 1: these bills, women told their stories about having to drive

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Speaker 1: hundreds of miles um to get access to a clinic.

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Speaker 1: And again, if you're working at um a Walmart, or

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Speaker 1: you're working somewhere at minimum wage and you have to

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Speaker 1: take several days off and then find a way to

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Speaker 1: get to a big city, it's really prohibitive. Women started

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Speaker 1: telling their stories about actually crossing the border into Mexico

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Speaker 1: because to get an illegal abortion. Because what we do

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Speaker 1: know is that abortion existed before it was legal. It

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Speaker 1: was simply unsafe, and young, healthy women died in emergency

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Speaker 1: rooms all across America. So to me, the most important

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Speaker 1: thing we can do is get everyone preventive services, get

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Speaker 1: birth control available, you know, everywhere we can, and then

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Speaker 1: make sure that women can get safe and legal abortion

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Speaker 1: and get it early when it's frankly as safest for women,

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Speaker 1: because let's face it, nothing is full proof, right right,

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Speaker 1: And can any of these laws be overturned. I mean

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Speaker 1: now that there's obviously been a backlash against these laws,

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Speaker 1: that it's it's hurting women, as you mentioned, with the

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Speaker 1: least amount of access. So other than telling their stories,

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Speaker 1: what can be done or changing the face of the legislature. Well,

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Speaker 1: of course, I think that's most important now is if

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Speaker 1: if women voted in bigger numbers, we would change the

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Speaker 1: direction political direction. And it's interesting since this administration has

501
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Speaker 1: come in the consciousness of women and men in this

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Speaker 1: country about the threat to reproductive rights and healthcare is

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Speaker 1: very very high. This is going to be a highly

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Speaker 1: motivating issue, I think this November, and I imagine in

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Speaker 1: as well. The other thing, of course is litigating and

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Speaker 1: in fact Texas because people never gave up. And I

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Speaker 1: tell this story in my book, is that even though

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Speaker 1: the legislature passed these really very bad bills against women,

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Speaker 1: eventually the Supreme Court, with three women on the court,

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Speaker 1: which made all the difference, overturned the law. So I

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Speaker 1: think that it's a it's something we have to continue

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Speaker 1: to fight. But I do think it's important that women

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Speaker 1: vote um and recognize that that their voices are going

514
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Speaker 1: to be incredibly important. So a couple of things. One,

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Speaker 1: is it actually true that women are more pro choice

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Speaker 1: than men? Because I've seen some survey research that indicates

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Speaker 1: there's not a huge difference between the genders. It's um.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of depends on what you look at,

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Speaker 1: but yes, men are equally supportive of abortion rights in

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Speaker 1: some cases. It's funny though, at least in my experiences,

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Speaker 1: it tends to be an issue that women vote on more. Um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I was actually just looking at the most

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Speaker 1: recent polls that are coming out that not only support

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Speaker 1: Plan parented, support funding for a Plan parented, they're also

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Speaker 1: showing the strongest support for Roe versus Wade since it

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Speaker 1: was decided. And actually we're at the lowest abortion rate ever,

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Speaker 1: and I think the gender difference isn't as great as

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Speaker 1: you might imagine. Many men, you know, they understand the

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Speaker 1: importance of not only access to safe and legal abortion,

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Speaker 1: actually access to birth control to late term abortions have

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Speaker 1: been such a contentious issue, and I think it's something

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Speaker 1: that people feel uncomfortable discussing, really don't want to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and don't necessarily understand. And I think most most women,

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Speaker 1: even those who are very pro choice and feel like

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Speaker 1: women should have access to abortion, feel un comfortable with

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Speaker 1: the notion of an abortion after a certain period of time.

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Speaker 1: So can you help us understand that? Seceial and give

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Speaker 1: us some some real world numbers and circumstances, because I

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Speaker 1: think that's helpful for people to hear. Sure, and I

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Speaker 1: think I want to have to go back and check

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Speaker 1: and I think my numbers are right. But um, almost

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Speaker 1: every abortion it happens before twenty weeks. I mean I

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Speaker 1: think it's like like up in the high ninety percent. Um.

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Speaker 1: What I from talking to O. B. G. Y N S,

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Speaker 1: who I really respect because they deal with some of

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Speaker 1: the most difficult pregnancies For women who terminate after twenty weeks,

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Speaker 1: it's usually from a medical complication, and these are often

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Speaker 1: heartbreaking stories for families of very much wanted pregnancies that

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Speaker 1: went wrong. And so what I've really grown to appreciate

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Speaker 1: and respect, certainly in my nine time at planned parenthood

551
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Speaker 1: is really the difficult and heartbreaking decisions that that women

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Speaker 1: often and their families have to make with their medical

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Speaker 1: provider about those pregnancies. And you can you give us

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Speaker 1: some some examples that I know, I just think it

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Speaker 1: for people to really grasp this, they have to appreciate

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Speaker 1: sort of real world example. Well, I mean their stories. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is what's been amazing to me is to see

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Speaker 1: families willing to go on television, uh and or go

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Speaker 1: on and write their stories. These are stories that I

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Speaker 1: think are so personal and so sad. They shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: to share them with national television audiences, but they have

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Speaker 1: been willing to because they feel it is so important.

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Speaker 1: I was actually just with a couple and their child

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Speaker 1: of in albany or Um. They were speaking at a

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Speaker 1: m with a lot of legislators about their own pregnancy

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Speaker 1: that she had had a had terminated a late term.

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Speaker 1: She was there with her husband and they told the

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Speaker 1: story of that pregnancy where it was incompatible with life,

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Speaker 1: it was not going to survive, and it was heartbreaking

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Speaker 1: for them. They had one of this baby, and now

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Speaker 1: part of being able to terminate that pregnancy meant she

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Speaker 1: could have a healthy pregnancy later and it meant the

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Speaker 1: world to her. But those are the stories that families

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Speaker 1: have had to tell and had to tell to folks

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Speaker 1: in Congress. And again, I think it's just the danger

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Speaker 1: of having politicians begin to play doctor um begin to

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Speaker 1: make a decision a deeply personal decision for women and

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Speaker 1: their families. Again, it's why I wish we could focus

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Speaker 1: on We we could do so much more to make

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Speaker 1: sure women never face an unintended pregnancy, or if they

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Speaker 1: do that they can get the care they need early on.

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Speaker 1: And we're doing a terrible job. But I think the

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Speaker 1: later term issue is really used to criticize planned parenthood.

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Speaker 1: So I think the more that that can be explained

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Speaker 1: and understood, the better I think. There's you know, I

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Speaker 1: find increasingly I know about you, um, Katie, but I

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Speaker 1: find increasingly very few people who haven't known somebody either

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Speaker 1: in their own family, UM, or a colleague or friend

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Speaker 1: who hasn't gone through a really difficult pregnancy. And I

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Speaker 1: think we need to show more empathy and compassion um,

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Speaker 1: and not make this a political issue. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: politics writ large, Let's talk about the Trump administration. I

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Speaker 1: know you've said this White House has been worse for

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Speaker 1: women than any administration I've seen in my lifetime. Tell

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Speaker 1: us the factors that contributed to that statement. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean the first is, of course, his first day

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Speaker 1: in office or first action, was to in state the

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Speaker 1: most restrictive global gag rule ever, and that was really

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Speaker 1: to prevent access to family planning services, all kinds of

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Speaker 1: other preventive health care for women around the globe. And

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Speaker 1: we are seeing you know, because we work with women

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Speaker 1: in Africa and Latin America, explain what that gag rule did.

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Speaker 1: Just to remind our listeners, it basically would prevent anyone

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Speaker 1: that either counsels women about their legal right to an abortion,

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Speaker 1: some in some cases provides services, but even just the counseling,

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Speaker 1: they would no longer be eligible to get federal funds

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Speaker 1: to do not abortion services. No, no, as you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: federal funds don't go for abortion services. But they couldn't

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Speaker 1: even get money any anymore to do HIV prevention or

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Speaker 1: maternal healthcare if they brought up the potent, if they

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Speaker 1: even told women their legal rights. I mean, that's how

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Speaker 1: restrictive this is, and women are suffering. Then of course

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Speaker 1: this administration, Paul Ryan said his first month on the job,

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Speaker 1: you know, our number one priority is going to be

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Speaker 1: to overturn Obamacare and defund Plan Parenthood. So just putting

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Speaker 1: aside defunding Plan parent which would have impacted millions of women,

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Speaker 1: is that meant millions of women in this country who

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Speaker 1: have relied on the Affordable Care Act to get healthcare

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Speaker 1: would lose it. Women on Medicaid would lose their access

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Speaker 1: to preventive care. There was even an effort in the

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Speaker 1: White House they wanted to take away the obligation for

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Speaker 1: women to be able to get maternity benefits. This is

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Speaker 1: how far they have gone. It's not imp not only

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Speaker 1: about birth control, we're even making it harder for women

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Speaker 1: to get maternity care in America. And then, of course

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Speaker 1: we've now seen under his Health and Human Services, which

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Speaker 1: is the agency that deals with health care, and effort

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Speaker 1: to basically end sex education for young people in many cases,

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Speaker 1: which is I think, as a mother of three children,

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Speaker 1: is just incredible. Uh and has tried to make it

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Speaker 1: more difficult in that. I'm sorry to interrupt a number

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Speaker 1: of people I know say, well, you know, I want

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Speaker 1: my kids just taught abstinence. I don't want them taught

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Speaker 1: about sex in school. That's my job as a parent.

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Speaker 1: What's what's your response to that? Well, I mean, first, um,

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Speaker 1: absolutely the best educators in America are parents. But also

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Speaker 1: I think every parent, I'm really shocked you say that,

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Speaker 1: because I've never heard a parents say that. Most parents say, well,

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Speaker 1: please someone teach my young teach my kid about safe sex,

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Speaker 1: including abstinence. I mean, every program plan parent runs has

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Speaker 1: abstinence as part of it. But I think most parents

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Speaker 1: realize at some point their son or daughter will probably

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Speaker 1: become sexually active, and the worst thing that could happen

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Speaker 1: would be that they're unsafe. It's interesting all the medical

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Speaker 1: research shows that young people who get sex education they

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Speaker 1: delay becoming sexually active, and when they do, they're much

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Speaker 1: more likely to use prevention. So I actually think that

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Speaker 1: the problem is not teaching abstinence. It's teaching abstinence and

649
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Speaker 1: nothing else. And we know what happens when when you

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Speaker 1: don't teach young people, as they get bad information or

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Speaker 1: no information. I think teaching abstinence is insane. I think

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Speaker 1: it should be part of the lexicon of sex. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean I just think it's completely unrealistic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, remember when you were a teenage boy, Brian, oh,

655
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Speaker 1: many many years ago. I personally I agree, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. I literally was having dinner with a woman

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Speaker 1: last week who said to me that, you know, she

658
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Speaker 1: was a very devout Christian, that she didn't believe that,

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Speaker 1: you know, teachers in public schools should be discussing sex

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Speaker 1: with kids. That was her fervent belief. And there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of other people I've talked to who have

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Speaker 1: similar beliefs. Can they can? They absolutely? And all in schools,

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Speaker 1: I mean every at least when my kids went all

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Speaker 1: the way through public school, and there was always an

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Speaker 1: option to opt out. I think the problem is if

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Speaker 1: you say, well that one person who doesn't want their

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Speaker 1: child to have any sex education should then prevent every

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Speaker 1: other child from having it. So and look, I mean

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Speaker 1: when my kids went away to college, I was thank

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Speaker 1: goodness they had had sex education in high school, because

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Speaker 1: once you get to college, there's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: other educational opportunities out there. So again, this is something

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Speaker 1: that I find and we also had planned parented. We

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Speaker 1: do a lot of sex education. We always include, you know, everything,

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Speaker 1: including abstinence as an option. But we think it's important

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Speaker 1: that young people just have the information they need to

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Speaker 1: stay healthy and safe. And were you optimistic when you

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Speaker 1: have that meeting with Avanca early on in the Trump

679
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Speaker 1: presidency that there might be a little room for advocating

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Speaker 1: for women. I was. I was skeptical, but I felt

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Speaker 1: like if there was any opportunity to um really either

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Speaker 1: educate her and Jared turned out came as well about

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Speaker 1: what we do and how important we are at too

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Speaker 1: many women in this country that I had to take

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Speaker 1: that opportunity. What did you think of them? Uh? I

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Speaker 1: mean I think they I think they were trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to make a deal to make the

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Speaker 1: issue go away. And essentially, well, essentially what Jared said

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Speaker 1: was we would just like a headline that reads planned

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Speaker 1: parent to discontinues abortion services, and um, I just said,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to do that, that this is important

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Speaker 1: for women. It's you know, they rely on us and

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Speaker 1: we're not going to trade away their rights. But that

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Speaker 1: was essentially I think they were. That was my impression

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Speaker 1: of him, Um, that he wanted to make a deal.

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Speaker 1: So what is the deal? So you guys put that

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Speaker 1: headline out and and somehow there would be more funding

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Speaker 1: for a planned parenthood. And again, being able to receive

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Speaker 1: federal funding is incredibly important night and again I will

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Speaker 1: talk to anyone any time about that and about the

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Speaker 1: important care that it allows us to provide to women.

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Speaker 1: But I wasn't going to trade away, um a right

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Speaker 1: that women have and you know, in many states, we

704
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Speaker 1: may be the only access to safe and legal abortion.

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Speaker 1: They that I was shocked. I was shocked, and again.

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Speaker 1: I had heard the President on the campaign trail of

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Speaker 1: say that he knew many women had gotten great care

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Speaker 1: from Planned Parenthood and really relied on them, but that

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Speaker 1: he also wanted to defund us. And so I knew,

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Speaker 1: at least somewhere in the back of his mind he

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Speaker 1: he knew about the important work that we do. So

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Speaker 1: that made me a little more hopeful. But it didn't

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Speaker 1: work out, and so then we had to basically organize

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Speaker 1: around the country to protect access to that care. Unfortunately

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Speaker 1: we were able to what happened to President Trump in

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Speaker 1: his supportive planned parenthood or is acknowledge that planned Parenthood

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Speaker 1: provides critical services to women. I don't have the foggiest

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Speaker 1: idea what's going on with President Trump. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Mike Pence has his ear on this issue?

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence is opposed to reproductive healthcare for women, has

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Speaker 1: been a staunch opponent not only of Planned Parenthood but

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Speaker 1: of women's reproductive healthcare. So whether it's that influence, I

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Speaker 1: just can't I can't begin to guess what is in

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Speaker 1: the President's head. And what do you make of Ivanka

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Speaker 1: Trump's role is the supposed advocate for women inside the administration.

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Speaker 1: Do you think she's been able to get anything positive accomplished.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't seen anything. I think it's and look,

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Speaker 1: I feel like she plays these two roles. One obviously

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Speaker 1: is the President's daughter, and in that role she is,

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Speaker 1: you know, should do whatever she feels like she needs

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Speaker 1: to do. But she's now I think one of the

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Speaker 1: highest ranking women in the White House, and I have

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Speaker 1: been really disappointed, particularly in terms of women's access to healthcare. Um,

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Speaker 1: how just how much they have tried to roll back

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Speaker 1: women's access to care. And when we talk about the

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Speaker 1: National Family Planning Program, which is really at risk in

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Speaker 1: this administration, it was signed into law by a Republican president.

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Speaker 1: This has been a bipartisan effort to make sure women

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Speaker 1: have access to affordable birth control. And so I would

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Speaker 1: have I would have hoped at least some of those

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Speaker 1: really basic basic health care issues would have been supported

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Speaker 1: by this White House, but they haven't. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: what's next for you, se Seal, because I know you're

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Speaker 1: going to be working to help more women enter politics. Um,

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Speaker 1: what will that look like? Well, I don't really know, Katie,

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Speaker 1: And I'm kind of excited about just getting out there

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Speaker 1: and hearing from women in the countryside. I think there

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Speaker 1: is again we are seeing just record engagement by women,

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Speaker 1: not only as activists, as marchers, as going to town

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Speaker 1: hall meetings, you know, calling Congress, but now of course

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Speaker 1: as candidates. I think we have twice as many women

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Speaker 1: running for Congress as we did two years ago in

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Speaker 1: my home state of Texas, the first two Latinas that

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Speaker 1: probably will come to risk this year. That's really exciting

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Speaker 1: to me. And I think there's just you know, doing

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Speaker 1: all I can to both listen to what women care

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Speaker 1: about and also making sure that they understand how important

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Speaker 1: voting is to the issues that are important to them.

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Speaker 1: Also giving them the confidence to take the plunge you

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Speaker 1: talked about telling your mom, you know, are wondering if

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Speaker 1: you were right for this job, you would never run anything.

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Speaker 1: And I think so many women there's a real confidence gap.

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Speaker 1: Men I think are overconfident about their abilities. And it

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Speaker 1: was interesting, I'm doing these hours for National Geographic on

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Speaker 1: big social issues, and they say when a woman fails,

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Speaker 1: she blames herself. When a man fails, he blames other people.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think there's just this inherent confidence

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Speaker 1: gap that really has to be tackled to get more

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Speaker 1: women out there. I agree, and I that's why it

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Speaker 1: is an exciting moment. I think the ground is shifting

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Speaker 1: in the United States in terms of women doing things

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Speaker 1: they never thought they could do before, whether it's run

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Speaker 1: for office, organize in their community, stand up at a

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Speaker 1: town hall meeting. I remember it was in Arizona, and

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Speaker 1: I write about this in the book, seeing a sixteen

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Speaker 1: year old stand up at a town hall meeting in

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Speaker 1: front of hundreds of strangers and take on a United

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Speaker 1: States Senator about her her need to access Plan parent

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Speaker 1: to finish high school. Those are the kinds of heroic

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Speaker 1: stories that to me are um that say maybe women

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Speaker 1: are ready to you know, as we say, now you know,

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Speaker 1: start before you're ready. Just get going. And as Mom

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Speaker 1: used to say, never turned down a new opportunity. And

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Speaker 1: what's the worst thing that could happen? You know, if

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, you'll go do something else. And

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Speaker 1: I think that more and more women are seeing that

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Speaker 1: it's really exciting. So this is an exciting time for you.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to miss being the head of Plan Parented,

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Speaker 1: especially at a time when it's still under attack and

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Speaker 1: in the cross hairs. Well, I mean I've done it

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Speaker 1: for twelve years and it's been the I mean job

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Speaker 1: of a lifetime for sure. But I think it's also

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Speaker 1: important as a leader to step aside and make room

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Speaker 1: for someone else. I think the organization is stronger now

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Speaker 1: than ever. I mean, we've just you know, polling shows

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Speaker 1: that membership shows that we now have I think more

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Speaker 1: almost twelve million supporters, which is twice the membership of

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Speaker 1: the n r A for example. So if all of

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Speaker 1: those folks actually speak up, speak out vote, we really

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Speaker 1: can change the direction of the country. You know, I

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00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: think some people may listen to this podcast and the

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Speaker 1: very rosy picture you've painted about you know, surveys around

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Speaker 1: people being pro choice in the number of members and

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Speaker 1: planned parenthood and other issues, and think themselves, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but a couple of years ago we elected Donald Trump

806
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Speaker 1: as president. We have unified Republican pro life, anti choice

807
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Speaker 1: control of the Congress. Republicans are dominant politically across the country.

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Speaker 1: How do you explain that disconnect? Well, I don't mean

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Speaker 1: to be painting a rosy picture. I think it's all

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Speaker 1: up to what people do. And look, the Republicans maybe

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Speaker 1: in charge of Congress, but their actions aren't necessarily supported

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Speaker 1: by people in this country. And so I think that's

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Speaker 1: actually what we are seeing here is a Congress that

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Speaker 1: is wildly out of step with where the American people are. UM.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as we know, one of the reasons that

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Speaker 1: planned parent it is still open all across the country

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Speaker 1: was that we're Republican women stood up in the United

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Speaker 1: States Senate and prevented, um prevented that from happening. So

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Speaker 1: I do think it's a mistake to assume just because

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Speaker 1: they're in power, and just because Donald Trump is in power,

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Speaker 1: that somehow people support his agenda, because it's in pretty abundant,

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Speaker 1: that abundantly clear from all all the polls and everything

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Speaker 1: we've seen that the American people, uh don't necessarily support

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And by the way, he got three million

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Speaker 1: fewer votes than his opponent. And just to wrap things up,

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Speaker 1: because we know you have to go secial, but looking

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Speaker 1: ahead to two thousand eighteen, of course, they're prognostic eights

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Speaker 1: all over the place of what do you think is

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Speaker 1: going to happen in terms of the congressional the midterm

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Speaker 1: elections and is there anybody you're looking at or hoping

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Speaker 1: for in look, I think is just completely wide open,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like everybody in the world is thinking

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Speaker 1: about running, and I think that's good. And not me,

834
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Speaker 1: but a lot of people are talking about running, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's really really exciting, including a lot of

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Speaker 1: including a lot of women. I have no idea what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen in ten but I do know from

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Speaker 1: this and over this last fourteen months, we have seen

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Speaker 1: um women and others absolutely beat all odds, you know,

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened. And just to bring it back

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Speaker 1: to my experience with and Richards again, which I write

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Speaker 1: in my book, no one ever thought she could win.

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Speaker 1: We never had a single pole showing that she was

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Speaker 1: going to win, including the day before the election. But

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Speaker 1: she did win because there was a grassroots explosion of

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Speaker 1: energy and Texas that that put her over the edge.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that that's an inspiration for people to

848
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Speaker 1: think that you never know what that one thing you

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Speaker 1: do that might make a difference. Uh so just get

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Speaker 1: out here and do it well. Apathy is no longer

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Speaker 1: an option. Is that really? That's right? I think that's right,

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Speaker 1: and it to me, it's always been so madening to

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Speaker 1: see the number of people who don't get out to vote.

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Speaker 1: It just makes me insane. It's heartbreaking, and I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things I do hope to work on

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Speaker 1: in the next few months is that many of the

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Speaker 1: laws have been passed actually make it harder for people

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Speaker 1: to vote, including women and working women, and so we

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Speaker 1: Your daughter worked for Hillary, she's now Kamala Harris's press secretary.

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Speaker 1: How hard do you think it is in this country

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Speaker 1: to elect a woman as president? Because a number of

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Speaker 1: senior women on Hillary's campaign, so that they really underestimated

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Speaker 1: Lily is her communications director, Lily Adams my daughter, just

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Speaker 1: you know from no uh And I mean it's a

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Speaker 1: real or real honor to work for Pamala. Look, I

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Speaker 1: the important thing about Hillary running um was that it's

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Speaker 1: it was hard, It was a you know, there was

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Speaker 1: going to be easier for the next woman who runs.

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Speaker 1: So I absolutely think a woman is electable in this country.

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna just keep trying and trying and trying.

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Speaker 1: As we always say his progressives, you lose, you lose,

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Speaker 1: you lose, and then you win, and when you do

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Speaker 1: it's huge. So it just means you have to keep trying.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if how much Clinton fatigue also fed

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Speaker 1: very sexist gender hurt her in many ways. But I

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Speaker 1: also feel like people I don't know if people were

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Speaker 1: retired of the Clintons a little bit, weren't they. Well,

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Speaker 1: I just think, look, there's always going to be a

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Speaker 1: reason why. You know, there's no no one's perfect, No

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Speaker 1: one's a perfect candidate, and I've I have worked and

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Speaker 1: tried to help elect many imperfect male candidates. So I

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Speaker 1: think somehow we always think women have to there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think there are many women in the field now,

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Speaker 1: women who are in office, women who are business leaders.

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Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of women who would

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Speaker 1: women are looking around, looking at who's in office and

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Speaker 1: saying I think I could do a better job than

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Speaker 1: the guy who's in there. Cecile Richards. The name of

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Speaker 1: the book is make Trouble, standing up, speaking out, and

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Speaker 1: finding the courage to lead right on system. Thank you, Thanks,

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Speaker 1: thank you as always to the Currect Podcast production squad

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Speaker 1: are pod Squad. That's johnnah Palmer our producer, Jared O'Connell,

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Speaker 1: our audio engineer, Nor Richie, our assistant producer, and special

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Speaker 1: thanks today to Julian Nicholson from the Invisible Studios, who

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Speaker 1: is here in l A. Thanks to Alison Bresnik who

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Speaker 1: keeps my social media buzzing, the wonderful Emily Bena over

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Speaker 1: at Katie Currect Media, and it's always my assistant who

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Speaker 1: is great, Beth the Mos. Katie and I are the

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Speaker 1: show's executive producers. Mark Phillips wrote our theme music and

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Speaker 1: as I said during the break, we want to hear

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on Confederate iconography. I just like to use

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Speaker 1: the word iconography. I feel like it makes me sound

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Speaker 1: so smart. Do you think Confederate statues in the South

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Speaker 1: really they're also in other places across the country, by

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Speaker 1: the way, not just the South should be removed? Why

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Speaker 1: or why not? The number to call again is nine

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Speaker 1: can of course email us also with your guest ideas,

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Speaker 1: at Goldsmith b. Katie of course is under Katie Kuric

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Speaker 1: on just about every major social media platform. She's been

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Speaker 1: insta storying up a story. Have been up a storm

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Speaker 1: literally because it's it's snowing here today, so I have

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Speaker 1: been insta storing up a storm. Anyway, that does it

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Speaker 1: for us. As always, thank you all so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: We really would love to hear your feedback because we

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Speaker 1: want this to be an interactive medium for all of us.

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk to you next week and have a

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