WEBVTT - Tori Spelling Honors Shannen Doherty

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<v Speaker 1>This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, let's be clear, listeners. I'm Tory Spelling, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Shan's lifelong friend and former co star, and today I'm

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<v Speaker 2>truly honored. It's like quite an honor to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>to be guest hosting Shan's podcast, not only as her friend,

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<v Speaker 2>but also as one of her super fans. And I

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<v Speaker 2>truly was the Academy Awards happened recently. I'm sure all

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<v Speaker 2>of you definitely saw as I saw, as the world

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<v Speaker 2>saw that it was heartbreaking that Shannon was left out

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<v Speaker 2>of the in memoriam segment at the Academy Awards, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say it was shocking, truly shocking, because

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<v Speaker 2>to me, I discovered Shannon as a fan on the

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<v Speaker 2>big screen while she was so iconically known for her

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<v Speaker 2>TV roles, which I want to honor her and go

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<v Speaker 2>through her career today, but it's really the big screen

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<v Speaker 2>where her career just thrived and she just like lit

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<v Speaker 2>up the big screen going back to when she was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid. So I know that was heartbreaking. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>the headlines, I saw the fans that were so outraged

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<v Speaker 2>on her behalf. I couldn't believe it my heart. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>when the in memoriam stopped and she hadn't been included,

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<v Speaker 2>my heart dropped. It sank, and it sank because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, what, it's such a miss. And I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's so many people in the entertainment industry

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<v Speaker 2>and they can't quite fit them all in the in memoriam.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what the rules are there, how

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<v Speaker 2>people are picked and not picked, But I just think

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<v Speaker 2>when someone's so iconic to fans across the world passes

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not remembered for their legacy and the great

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<v Speaker 2>work they did, I just I just think it's shocking.

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<v Speaker 2>And it personally felt a little triggering to me because

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<v Speaker 2>this is the third person that I love that has

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<v Speaker 2>been left out of the end memoriam. The year my

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<v Speaker 2>dad passed, I remember he was left out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then ironically, the year that Luke Perry passed, he

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<v Speaker 2>was left out of it. But it's not like Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>could have been an oversight. Like I just felt for

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<v Speaker 2>all of us watching that loved her and loved her work,

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like not only was she robbed.

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<v Speaker 1>But like we were robbed. So I felt it with you.

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<v Speaker 2>So today we are going to give Shan the proper

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<v Speaker 2>honoring of her career. So I'm really really excited to

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<v Speaker 2>take you guys through her career because there might be

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<v Speaker 2>things that you didn't even know that she did. There's

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<v Speaker 2>something that surprised me that I totally forgot about. So

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon's love for acting started young, doing children's theater. She

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<v Speaker 2>did commercials, but her first role in a feature film

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<v Speaker 2>was voicing the character Teresa Brigsby in the United Artist's

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<v Speaker 2>animated feature The Secret of Nim in nineteen eighty two. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was prepping and going through all of Shannon's work.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is so like, such a huge body of work,

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<v Speaker 3>I had forgotten that she was a voice in the

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<v Speaker 3>Secret of Nim That was like the animated feature for

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<v Speaker 3>my childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh my god, she really could

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<v Speaker 2>do it all. She voiced that supporting role in the

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<v Speaker 2>Don Bluth production when she was only eleven years old.

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<v Speaker 4>I read it to Don Bluth at a convention and

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<v Speaker 4>we talked about what that experience was, and Don Bluth

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<v Speaker 4>was amazingly talented and so common. The interesting thing about

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<v Speaker 4>voiceovers is that you're in a booth by yourself recording

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<v Speaker 4>your lines with people staring through recording studio through a

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<v Speaker 4>glass telling you, you know, do it this way, or

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<v Speaker 4>do it that way, or give me five readings in

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<v Speaker 4>a row. And you don't get to hang out with

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<v Speaker 4>the cast that much because you're all in different time schedules.

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<v Speaker 2>Shan would often talk about her friend and mentor Michael Landon.

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<v Speaker 2>He hired her to play Drusilla in the TV show

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<v Speaker 2>Father Murphy and of course as that iconic Jenny Wilder

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<v Speaker 2>and Little House on the Prairie and Little House on

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<v Speaker 2>the Prairie was such a huge hit for NBC. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it prompted several TV movies including Little House, Look

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<v Speaker 2>Back to Yesterday, The Last Farewell, and Bless All the

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<v Speaker 2>Dear Children.

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<v Speaker 4>It was really the experience on Little House that spurred

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<v Speaker 4>that passion on for being an actor. And it was

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<v Speaker 4>having a min tour like Michael Landon, and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>care what anybody else's experience was, Like I know the

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<v Speaker 4>truth about that man, and he was just unbelievable, so

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<v Speaker 4>so so talented, so kind, so considerate, shaved me in

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<v Speaker 4>so many ways, and it still is the best experience

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<v Speaker 4>of my entire career.

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<v Speaker 2>While her television career was thriving. The big screen came

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<v Speaker 2>a calling, and at age fourteen, Shannon appeared in the

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<v Speaker 2>rom com Girls Just Want to Have Fun, starring Sarah,

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica Parker, and Helen Hunt. The film debuted on Shannon's

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<v Speaker 2>birthday on April twelfth, nineteen eighty five.

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<v Speaker 4>I did a couple of takes, and the director wanted

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<v Speaker 4>me to be more excited and more of a girl

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<v Speaker 4>that age with a crush. How she would react fantastic

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<v Speaker 4>note he was right, but I was so confused on

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<v Speaker 4>how to do that because it was so outside of

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<v Speaker 4>my own personality, and I was not a girl who

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<v Speaker 4>had experienced a crush yet. So it was really digging

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<v Speaker 4>from nowhere essentially to come up with an appropriate reaction

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<v Speaker 4>that would make everybody happy with my performance. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think sarcastically, I jumped up and down and in circles

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<v Speaker 4>and squealed. If you watch it, you'll note the scene

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<v Speaker 4>it's at the dance off.

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<v Speaker 1>When I watched that years.

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<v Speaker 4>And years later, because I don't like watching anything that

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<v Speaker 4>I am in, but people kept on talking about Girls

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<v Speaker 4>Just Want to Have Fun, I thought, Hi, I should

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<v Speaker 4>probably watch it. People really liked it. I cringed when

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<v Speaker 4>that scene came on. My face turned red. I wondered

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<v Speaker 4>how I could buy up every DVD. How I could,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's probably how long ago it was that I

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<v Speaker 4>watched it. I was accumulated and embarrassed by my performance,

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<v Speaker 4>and I deeply apologized to the director Chuck that I

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<v Speaker 4>had that performance.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>From that point on, Shannon remained busy on the sets

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<v Speaker 2>of several shows and TV movies and all while receiving

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<v Speaker 2>her education through homeschooling and set teachers. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>one movie in particular that solidified her place in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was the iconic nineteen eighty eight teen drama Heathers.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I was eighteen yet, and my mom

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<v Speaker 4>was on set with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember thinking that the.

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<v Speaker 4>Other girls were really beautiful and that I was awkward looking,

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<v Speaker 4>and I had a little bit of insecurity about that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I really kind of hung out with my mom because,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, except for Winona, everybody else was older than

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<v Speaker 4>me at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's so interesting because Shan had like such a

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<v Speaker 2>good girl in her the way she was raised, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was hard for her to curse like doing Heathers.

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<v Speaker 2>She had said that it was hard for her to

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<v Speaker 2>have to say curse words, and she felt that way

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<v Speaker 2>in real life too, even though she had the rebellious

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<v Speaker 2>side of her and she could be really fun and

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<v Speaker 2>silly and curse like with her friends. That was always

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<v Speaker 2>something that I guess, in a way just stayed with

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<v Speaker 2>her and was ingrained in her. And she was very

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<v Speaker 2>proper in certain ways, I don't want to say conservative,

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<v Speaker 2>but definitely had really good morals, I would say, and

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<v Speaker 2>at conventions in the past, that's an iconic line in

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<v Speaker 2>the movie Heathers is fucked Me gently with a chainsaw,

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<v Speaker 2>And fans would often come up with posters from Heathers

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<v Speaker 2>at conventions and other things and want her to write it.

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<v Speaker 2>And while she always wanted to please the fans, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that part of it made her uncomfortable just going

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<v Speaker 2>back to even putting a curseword like in writing and

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<v Speaker 2>writing something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just thought that was so sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just remember in high school, like all my

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<v Speaker 2>friends and I this is before I even could have

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<v Speaker 2>dreamt of like working with and being friends with Shan, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>we would all say like, fuck me gently with a chainsawn.

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<v Speaker 2>We thought we were so cool. Like she was the

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<v Speaker 2>coolest heather That's just my personal opinion. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 2>was so obsessed with the movie Heathers that I remember

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<v Speaker 2>telling my dad when he had shown me. Originally it

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<v Speaker 2>was called Class of Beverly Hills. It was the script,

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<v Speaker 2>the pilot script for nine o two and zero, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was looking to cast Brenda and Brandon Walsh, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I brought him.

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<v Speaker 2>A picture of Shannon and I was like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>Brenda Walsh.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to put her in.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was just because I was such a huge fan.

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<v Speaker 2>I just loved her so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought she was so great.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, my dad would always take my word

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<v Speaker 2>on something. It's not like he would put someone in

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<v Speaker 2>it just to put them in it. Like obviously he

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<v Speaker 2>did his due diligence and had her come in to

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<v Speaker 2>read and everything. But you know, she was it obviously

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<v Speaker 2>because she was amazing and she was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>Brenda Walsh always. But it's just so interesting that I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, this is the it girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I had the privilege of working with Shannon for four

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<v Speaker 2>seasons on Beverly Hills nine O two and zero, when

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<v Speaker 2>her beloved character Brenda Walsh became a household name.

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<v Speaker 4>I definitely went through a lot of growing pains on

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<v Speaker 4>that show. There was beautiful moments for me, and there

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<v Speaker 4>were really hard moments for me. I recall when tensions

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<v Speaker 4>started happening on the set, and it was always awesome

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<v Speaker 4>to me that the boys got along so well and

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't necessarily the same with the girls. I was

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<v Speaker 4>pretty exhausted, and I was going through a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>my own growing up and it just seemed that I

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<v Speaker 4>was really getting the brunt of why is the show

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<v Speaker 4>about Brenda and Brandon? Well, because it's about the Washes.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't write the show, but I think I give

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<v Speaker 4>us more allowance now to forgive ourselves and to forgive

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<v Speaker 4>others for being friggin' kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's important to note that when Shannon left nine

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<v Speaker 2>o two and zero, she was literally at the height

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<v Speaker 2>of her career and she could have chosen a number

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<v Speaker 2>of projects at that point, but she definitely was a

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<v Speaker 2>true trail blazer, and she chose to make the indie

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<v Speaker 2>movie Mall Rats with a then up and coming director

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<v Speaker 2>named Kevin Smith.

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<v Speaker 4>They were like, you know, there's this movie, but you

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<v Speaker 4>have to audition. I was like, Okay, let me read it.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I read it and they're like it's Kevin

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<v Speaker 4>Smith and he did Clerics, and I'm like, okay, let

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<v Speaker 4>me watch that.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was like, yeah, okay, a audition. It was

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<v Speaker 5>like the monologue. It was crazy, but I did it.

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<v Speaker 5>The best dialogue I've ever gotten, to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Mal Rats was not a box office success when premiered

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety five. In fact, Shannon felt that the

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<v Speaker 2>indie flick hurt her career in film, but Shannon's loyalty

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<v Speaker 2>to director Kevin Smith never wavered, and with time, mal

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<v Speaker 2>Rats ended up becoming a cult classic. Shannon loved playing

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<v Speaker 2>Renee in the film and hoped to one day reprise

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<v Speaker 2>her role in a mal Rat sequel. Next, Shannon played

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<v Speaker 2>the starring role in a movie based on a true

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<v Speaker 2>story called Gone in the Night.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt a deep responsibility to the family to portray

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<v Speaker 4>their story accurately. There was just a lot of pressure

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<v Speaker 4>that I felt doing that movie. And it's also one

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm really, really really proud of. I think it

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<v Speaker 4>turned out wonderful. The cast was amazing. Yeah, that would

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<v Speaker 4>go down as a piece of work that I'm extremely

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<v Speaker 4>proud of.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years later, we heard Shannon seeing in a

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<v Speaker 2>TV movie called Friends Till the End.

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<v Speaker 4>After that movie came out, I had a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>meetings with some amazing record people, and it was something

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<v Speaker 4>that I discussed. But ultimately, I think I was incredibly

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<v Speaker 4>insecure about my singing voice, and I was also insecure

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<v Speaker 4>about how people would receive that from me because there

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<v Speaker 4>was so much other stuff going on with rumors about

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<v Speaker 4>me that adding to it. I think I just got

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<v Speaker 4>I think I got scared. I chickened out of doing

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<v Speaker 4>anything with singing. I might regret it a little bit,

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<v Speaker 4>but not too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon continued making magic on television when she played prou

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<v Speaker 2>Halliwell in three seasons of Charm, which is also where

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<v Speaker 2>she learned to direct.

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<v Speaker 4>When I direct something, I do a lot of shot

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<v Speaker 4>list and I like to have storyboards done, and I

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<v Speaker 4>usually base the aesthetic the look of it on a

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<v Speaker 4>particular painting. So for instance, the last episode I directed

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<v Speaker 4>of Charmed, it was based on a salvad Or Dolly painting.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the color scheme, the esthetic, the mood, everything else.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I just like to be overly prepared because

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that people have to work sixteen hours

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<v Speaker 4>on a TV show a day, So I like to

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<v Speaker 4>know how I can condense things, how I can put

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<v Speaker 4>people in two shots, how many cameras can I actually use,

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<v Speaker 4>still be on budget, hopefully come in under budget, and

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<v Speaker 4>get people out at a normal hour so that they

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<v Speaker 4>can go home and have family time.

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon worked with her fair share of major leading men,

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<v Speaker 2>from Mel Gibson to Bruce Willis. She appeared in several

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<v Speaker 2>films from director James Colin Bressick.

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<v Speaker 4>The Bruce Willis movie it was called The Fortress. That

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<v Speaker 4>also was a really kind of fascinating experience for me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just remember this scene with him that was

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<v Speaker 4>written one way.

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<v Speaker 1>It was written.

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<v Speaker 4>As I'm a general and I'm an actual bad guy

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<v Speaker 4>and he's the good guy hero, as Bruce Willis always is.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was just me sort of saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>this is this is how it works, buddy, essentially, And

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<v Speaker 4>in that moment of filming it, Bruce and I had

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<v Speaker 4>a very different connection. For me as an actor, I

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<v Speaker 4>can tell you that I've had a couple of really

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<v Speaker 4>like raw moments, you know, I mean, you hope that

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<v Speaker 4>all of them come across as like raw, honest moments,

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<v Speaker 4>but personally very raw, honest moments that are captured on screen,

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<v Speaker 4>and that was one of them. Those are the moments

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<v Speaker 4>that I always look back and I'm like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 4>that's when I was my best. Is when I'm like

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<v Speaker 4>the most raw and sort of broken down because there's

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<v Speaker 4>no there's no wall, there's no pretense, you're not self conscious,

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<v Speaker 4>you're not any of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just like in the moment. And it's something that

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<v Speaker 1>I strive for as an actor.

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<v Speaker 2>And while I have mentioned some of her biggest career accomplishments,

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon's legacy is so much more than her IMDb page.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a loving friend and a fierce warrior when

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<v Speaker 2>it came to standing up for what she believed in.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't afraid of anything or anyone, and yet she

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<v Speaker 2>had such a kind heart. She was sensitive underneath what

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<v Speaker 2>she put front as a tough exterior, and her dignity

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<v Speaker 2>mattered to her more than any career accolade.

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<v Speaker 4>Being my own cheerleader has been a tough one for

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<v Speaker 4>me that I have not mastered. And yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you hear stories, and I hear this from a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people, or I used to hear it from a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people of Oh, I was warned about you,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was told that you're difficult or you're this,

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<v Speaker 4>And it's so hard for me to realize that there's

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<v Speaker 4>a whole like narrative and agenda that's out there about

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<v Speaker 4>me that has almost nothing to do with me. As

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm pretty sensitive and I tend to take

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of things personal, and it hurts me that there's,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, something out there about me that is not

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<v Speaker 4>true or isn't one hundred percent of the truth, or

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<v Speaker 4>there's you know, two sides to every story. There's this,

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<v Speaker 4>there's that I can't worry about, like the random ten

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<v Speaker 4>people that are pissed that I'm saying something I've got

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<v Speaker 4>to worry about, Like am I being honest to me?

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<v Speaker 2>She fought constantly for female voices in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 4>We still obviously a very long way to go, because

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<v Speaker 4>I think that, particularly in my business, I think there's

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<v Speaker 4>still a lot of like massage, Like I think that

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<v Speaker 4>how women are treated in this business. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>I've said it that I don't think that things have

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<v Speaker 4>changed nearly enough, but.

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<v Speaker 1>At least there's some change.

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<v Speaker 2>She fought for cancer thrivers around the world. She fought

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<v Speaker 2>for animal rights with all her passion and soul, and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't think of a better legacy for such a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful person.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm familiar with Helen Back a couple of times. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been through Helen Back.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, you know, at the end of the day, people

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<v Speaker 4>have to learn their own lessons in life, and shit

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<v Speaker 4>happens in life and it's okay to talk about it,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay to share it.

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<v Speaker 4>All I'm really trying to show all of you is

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<v Speaker 4>who I really am, like who I've always been, and

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<v Speaker 4>who I am deep down.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's be clear, Shannon Doherty deserves recognition for her contributions

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<v Speaker 2>the board. I just want to wrap up this tribute

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<v Speaker 2>by saying thank you. Thank you to all of Shannon's listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for helping me celebrate her incredible career.

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<v Speaker 2>We love you, Shanon, and we miss you every single

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<v Speaker 2>day forever.