1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Hello, let's be clear, listeners. I'm Tory Spelling, and I'm 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: Shan's lifelong friend and former co star, and today I'm 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: truly honored. It's like quite an honor to do this, 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: to be guest hosting Shan's podcast, not only as her friend, 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: but also as one of her super fans. And I 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: truly was the Academy Awards happened recently. I'm sure all 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: of you definitely saw as I saw, as the world 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: saw that it was heartbreaking that Shannon was left out 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: of the in memoriam segment at the Academy Awards, and 11 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: I have to say it was shocking, truly shocking, because 12 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: to me, I discovered Shannon as a fan on the 13 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: big screen while she was so iconically known for her 14 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: TV roles, which I want to honor her and go 15 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: through her career today, but it's really the big screen 16 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: where her career just thrived and she just like lit 17 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: up the big screen going back to when she was 18 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: a kid. So I know that was heartbreaking. I saw 19 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: the headlines, I saw the fans that were so outraged 20 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: on her behalf. I couldn't believe it my heart. Honestly, 21 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 2: when the in memoriam stopped and she hadn't been included, 22 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: my heart dropped. It sank, and it sank because I 23 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: was like, what, it's such a miss. And I know, 24 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: I know there's so many people in the entertainment industry 25 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: and they can't quite fit them all in the in memoriam. 26 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: And I don't know what the rules are there, how 27 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: people are picked and not picked, But I just think 28 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: when someone's so iconic to fans across the world passes 29 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: and they're not remembered for their legacy and the great 30 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: work they did, I just I just think it's shocking. 31 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: And it personally felt a little triggering to me because 32 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 2: this is the third person that I love that has 33 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: been left out of the end memoriam. The year my 34 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: dad passed, I remember he was left out of it, 35 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: and then ironically, the year that Luke Perry passed, he 36 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: was left out of it. But it's not like Shannon 37 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: could have been an oversight. Like I just felt for 38 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: all of us watching that loved her and loved her work, 39 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: it felt like not only was she robbed. 40 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: But like we were robbed. So I felt it with you. 41 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: So today we are going to give Shan the proper 42 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: honoring of her career. So I'm really really excited to 43 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: take you guys through her career because there might be 44 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 2: things that you didn't even know that she did. There's 45 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: something that surprised me that I totally forgot about. So 46 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: Shannon's love for acting started young, doing children's theater. She 47 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: did commercials, but her first role in a feature film 48 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: was voicing the character Teresa Brigsby in the United Artist's 49 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: animated feature The Secret of Nim in nineteen eighty two. Now, 50 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: when I was prepping and going through all of Shannon's work. 51 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: Which is so like, such a huge body of work, 52 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: I had forgotten that she was a voice in the 53 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: Secret of Nim That was like the animated feature for 54 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: my childhood. 55 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, she really could 56 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: do it all. She voiced that supporting role in the 57 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: Don Bluth production when she was only eleven years old. 58 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 4: I read it to Don Bluth at a convention and 59 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: we talked about what that experience was, and Don Bluth 60 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: was amazingly talented and so common. The interesting thing about 61 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: voiceovers is that you're in a booth by yourself recording 62 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 4: your lines with people staring through recording studio through a 63 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 4: glass telling you, you know, do it this way, or 64 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 4: do it that way, or give me five readings in 65 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 4: a row. And you don't get to hang out with 66 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 4: the cast that much because you're all in different time schedules. 67 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: Shan would often talk about her friend and mentor Michael Landon. 68 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: He hired her to play Drusilla in the TV show 69 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: Father Murphy and of course as that iconic Jenny Wilder 70 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: and Little House on the Prairie and Little House on 71 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: the Prairie was such a huge hit for NBC. I 72 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: mean it prompted several TV movies including Little House, Look 73 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: Back to Yesterday, The Last Farewell, and Bless All the 74 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: Dear Children. 75 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: It was really the experience on Little House that spurred 76 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: that passion on for being an actor. And it was 77 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 4: having a min tour like Michael Landon, and I don't 78 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 4: care what anybody else's experience was, Like I know the 79 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 4: truth about that man, and he was just unbelievable, so 80 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 4: so so talented, so kind, so considerate, shaved me in 81 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 4: so many ways, and it still is the best experience 82 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: of my entire career. 83 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: While her television career was thriving. The big screen came 84 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: a calling, and at age fourteen, Shannon appeared in the 85 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: rom com Girls Just Want to Have Fun, starring Sarah, 86 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: Jessica Parker, and Helen Hunt. The film debuted on Shannon's 87 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: birthday on April twelfth, nineteen eighty five. 88 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 4: I did a couple of takes, and the director wanted 89 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 4: me to be more excited and more of a girl 90 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: that age with a crush. How she would react fantastic 91 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: note he was right, but I was so confused on 92 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 4: how to do that because it was so outside of 93 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: my own personality, and I was not a girl who 94 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 4: had experienced a crush yet. So it was really digging 95 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 4: from nowhere essentially to come up with an appropriate reaction 96 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 4: that would make everybody happy with my performance. So I 97 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 4: think sarcastically, I jumped up and down and in circles 98 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 4: and squealed. If you watch it, you'll note the scene 99 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: it's at the dance off. 100 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: When I watched that years. 101 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 4: And years later, because I don't like watching anything that 102 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 4: I am in, but people kept on talking about Girls 103 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 4: Just Want to Have Fun, I thought, Hi, I should 104 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: probably watch it. People really liked it. I cringed when 105 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 4: that scene came on. My face turned red. I wondered 106 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 4: how I could buy up every DVD. How I could, 107 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 4: because that's probably how long ago it was that I 108 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: watched it. I was accumulated and embarrassed by my performance, 109 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 4: and I deeply apologized to the director Chuck that I 110 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 4: had that performance. 111 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: It was really bad. 112 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: From that point on, Shannon remained busy on the sets 113 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: of several shows and TV movies and all while receiving 114 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: her education through homeschooling and set teachers. But it was 115 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: one movie in particular that solidified her place in Hollywood, 116 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: and that was the iconic nineteen eighty eight teen drama Heathers. 117 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: I don't think I was eighteen yet, and my mom 118 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 4: was on set with me. 119 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: I remember thinking that the. 120 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: Other girls were really beautiful and that I was awkward looking, 121 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 4: and I had a little bit of insecurity about that. 122 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 4: But I really kind of hung out with my mom because, 123 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 4: you know, except for Winona, everybody else was older than 124 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: me at that time. 125 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: So it's so interesting because Shan had like such a 126 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: good girl in her the way she was raised, and 127 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: it was hard for her to curse like doing Heathers. 128 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: She had said that it was hard for her to 129 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: have to say curse words, and she felt that way 130 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: in real life too, even though she had the rebellious 131 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: side of her and she could be really fun and 132 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: silly and curse like with her friends. That was always 133 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: something that I guess, in a way just stayed with 134 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: her and was ingrained in her. And she was very 135 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: proper in certain ways, I don't want to say conservative, 136 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: but definitely had really good morals, I would say, and 137 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: at conventions in the past, that's an iconic line in 138 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 2: the movie Heathers is fucked Me gently with a chainsaw, 139 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: And fans would often come up with posters from Heathers 140 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: at conventions and other things and want her to write it. 141 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: And while she always wanted to please the fans, I 142 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: know that part of it made her uncomfortable just going 143 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: back to even putting a curseword like in writing and 144 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: writing something like that. 145 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: So I just thought that was so sweet. 146 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: And I just remember in high school, like all my 147 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: friends and I this is before I even could have 148 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: dreamt of like working with and being friends with Shan, Like, 149 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: we would all say like, fuck me gently with a chainsawn. 150 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: We thought we were so cool. Like she was the 151 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: coolest heather That's just my personal opinion. In fact, I 152 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: was so obsessed with the movie Heathers that I remember 153 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: telling my dad when he had shown me. Originally it 154 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: was called Class of Beverly Hills. It was the script, 155 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: the pilot script for nine o two and zero, and 156 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: he was looking to cast Brenda and Brandon Walsh, and. 157 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: I brought him. 158 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: A picture of Shannon and I was like, this is 159 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: Brenda Walsh. 160 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: You have to put her in. 161 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: And it was just because I was such a huge fan. 162 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: I just loved her so much. 163 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: I thought she was so great. 164 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: And I mean, my dad would always take my word 165 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: on something. It's not like he would put someone in 166 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: it just to put them in it. Like obviously he 167 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: did his due diligence and had her come in to 168 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: read and everything. But you know, she was it obviously 169 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: because she was amazing and she was supposed to be 170 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: Brenda Walsh always. But it's just so interesting that I 171 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this is the it girl. 172 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: I had the privilege of working with Shannon for four 173 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: seasons on Beverly Hills nine O two and zero, when 174 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: her beloved character Brenda Walsh became a household name. 175 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 4: I definitely went through a lot of growing pains on 176 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 4: that show. There was beautiful moments for me, and there 177 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: were really hard moments for me. I recall when tensions 178 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 4: started happening on the set, and it was always awesome 179 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: to me that the boys got along so well and 180 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 4: it wasn't necessarily the same with the girls. I was 181 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: pretty exhausted, and I was going through a lot of 182 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 4: my own growing up and it just seemed that I 183 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 4: was really getting the brunt of why is the show 184 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 4: about Brenda and Brandon? Well, because it's about the Washes. 185 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: I didn't write the show, but I think I give 186 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: us more allowance now to forgive ourselves and to forgive 187 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 4: others for being friggin' kids. 188 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: And it's important to note that when Shannon left nine 189 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: o two and zero, she was literally at the height 190 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: of her career and she could have chosen a number 191 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: of projects at that point, but she definitely was a 192 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: true trail blazer, and she chose to make the indie 193 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: movie Mall Rats with a then up and coming director 194 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: named Kevin Smith. 195 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: They were like, you know, there's this movie, but you 196 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 4: have to audition. I was like, Okay, let me read it. 197 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 4: And then I read it and they're like it's Kevin 198 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: Smith and he did Clerics, and I'm like, okay, let 199 00:11:59,000 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 4: me watch that. 200 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, okay, a audition. It was 201 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 5: like the monologue. It was crazy, but I did it. 202 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 5: The best dialogue I've ever gotten, to say. 203 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: Mal Rats was not a box office success when premiered 204 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five. In fact, Shannon felt that the 205 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: indie flick hurt her career in film, but Shannon's loyalty 206 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: to director Kevin Smith never wavered, and with time, mal 207 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: Rats ended up becoming a cult classic. Shannon loved playing 208 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 2: Renee in the film and hoped to one day reprise 209 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: her role in a mal Rat sequel. Next, Shannon played 210 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: the starring role in a movie based on a true 211 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: story called Gone in the Night. 212 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 4: I felt a deep responsibility to the family to portray 213 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 4: their story accurately. There was just a lot of pressure 214 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 4: that I felt doing that movie. And it's also one 215 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: that I'm really, really really proud of. I think it 216 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 4: turned out wonderful. The cast was amazing. Yeah, that would 217 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 4: go down as a piece of work that I'm extremely 218 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 4: proud of. 219 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: A few years later, we heard Shannon seeing in a 220 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: TV movie called Friends Till the End. 221 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 4: After that movie came out, I had a couple of 222 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 4: meetings with some amazing record people, and it was something 223 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 4: that I discussed. But ultimately, I think I was incredibly 224 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 4: insecure about my singing voice, and I was also insecure 225 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 4: about how people would receive that from me because there 226 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 4: was so much other stuff going on with rumors about 227 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: me that adding to it. I think I just got 228 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 4: I think I got scared. I chickened out of doing 229 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 4: anything with singing. I might regret it a little bit, 230 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 4: but not too much. 231 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: Shannon continued making magic on television when she played prou 232 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: Halliwell in three seasons of Charm, which is also where 233 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: she learned to direct. 234 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: When I direct something, I do a lot of shot 235 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 4: list and I like to have storyboards done, and I 236 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 4: usually base the aesthetic the look of it on a 237 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: particular painting. So for instance, the last episode I directed 238 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 4: of Charmed, it was based on a salvad Or Dolly painting. 239 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 4: That was the color scheme, the esthetic, the mood, everything else. 240 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 4: And then I just like to be overly prepared because 241 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: I don't think that people have to work sixteen hours 242 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 4: on a TV show a day, So I like to 243 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: know how I can condense things, how I can put 244 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: people in two shots, how many cameras can I actually use, 245 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 4: still be on budget, hopefully come in under budget, and 246 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 4: get people out at a normal hour so that they 247 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: can go home and have family time. 248 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: Shannon worked with her fair share of major leading men, 249 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: from Mel Gibson to Bruce Willis. She appeared in several 250 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: films from director James Colin Bressick. 251 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 4: The Bruce Willis movie it was called The Fortress. That 252 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 4: also was a really kind of fascinating experience for me, 253 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 4: and I just remember this scene with him that was 254 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 4: written one way. 255 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: It was written. 256 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: As I'm a general and I'm an actual bad guy 257 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 4: and he's the good guy hero, as Bruce Willis always is. 258 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: And it was just me sort of saying, you know, 259 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: this is this is how it works, buddy, essentially, And 260 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: in that moment of filming it, Bruce and I had 261 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 4: a very different connection. For me as an actor, I 262 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: can tell you that I've had a couple of really 263 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: like raw moments, you know, I mean, you hope that 264 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 4: all of them come across as like raw, honest moments, 265 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: but personally very raw, honest moments that are captured on screen, 266 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: and that was one of them. Those are the moments 267 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 4: that I always look back and I'm like, oh man, 268 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 4: that's when I was my best. Is when I'm like 269 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 4: the most raw and sort of broken down because there's 270 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: no there's no wall, there's no pretense, you're not self conscious, 271 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 4: you're not any of those things. 272 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: You're just like in the moment. And it's something that 273 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: I strive for as an actor. 274 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: And while I have mentioned some of her biggest career accomplishments, 275 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: Shannon's legacy is so much more than her IMDb page. 276 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: She was a loving friend and a fierce warrior when 277 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: it came to standing up for what she believed in. 278 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: She wasn't afraid of anything or anyone, and yet she 279 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: had such a kind heart. She was sensitive underneath what 280 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: she put front as a tough exterior, and her dignity 281 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,359 Speaker 2: mattered to her more than any career accolade. 282 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 4: Being my own cheerleader has been a tough one for 283 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 4: me that I have not mastered. And yeah, you know, 284 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: you hear stories, and I hear this from a lot 285 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 4: of people, or I used to hear it from a 286 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 4: lot of people of Oh, I was warned about you, 287 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 4: and I was told that you're difficult or you're this, 288 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 4: And it's so hard for me to realize that there's 289 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 4: a whole like narrative and agenda that's out there about 290 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 4: me that has almost nothing to do with me. As 291 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 4: you know, I'm pretty sensitive and I tend to take 292 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: a lot of things personal, and it hurts me that there's, 293 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 4: you know, something out there about me that is not 294 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: true or isn't one hundred percent of the truth, or 295 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: there's you know, two sides to every story. There's this, 296 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 4: there's that I can't worry about, like the random ten 297 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 4: people that are pissed that I'm saying something I've got 298 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 4: to worry about, Like am I being honest to me? 299 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 2: She fought constantly for female voices in Hollywood. 300 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 4: We still obviously a very long way to go, because 301 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 4: I think that, particularly in my business, I think there's 302 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: still a lot of like massage, Like I think that 303 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 4: how women are treated in this business. And I think 304 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 4: I've said it that I don't think that things have 305 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 4: changed nearly enough, but. 306 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: At least there's some change. 307 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: She fought for cancer thrivers around the world. She fought 308 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: for animal rights with all her passion and soul, and 309 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 2: I can't think of a better legacy for such a 310 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: beautiful person. 311 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm familiar with Helen Back a couple of times. I've 312 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: been through Helen Back. 313 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 4: Now, you know, at the end of the day, people 314 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 4: have to learn their own lessons in life, and shit 315 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 4: happens in life and it's okay to talk about it, 316 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 4: and it's. 317 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 1: Okay to share it. 318 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 4: All I'm really trying to show all of you is 319 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 4: who I really am, like who I've always been, and 320 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 4: who I am deep down. 321 00:18:51,359 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: Let's be clear, Shannon Doherty deserves recognition for her contributions 322 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: the board. I just want to wrap up this tribute 323 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: by saying thank you. Thank you to all of Shannon's listeners. 324 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for helping me celebrate her incredible career. 325 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: We love you, Shanon, and we miss you every single 326 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 2: day forever.